From alanb at alanberrydesign.com  Sun Jan  1 15:08:17 2023
From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 14:08:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Engine Builder Near San Francisco
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I would recommend Huffaker at the Sonoma track. Amazing history and a great
passion for vintage racing.

On Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 3:10 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Steve,
> What are your goals for the engine rebuild?  Is it a race or street
> engine?
> I would not recommend Champion Engines in Campbell.  He does not assemble
> engines.  Only machine work and not to a very high standard, although I'm
> sure he is capable.  He seems to have at least one foot well into
> retirement.
> Dave H.
>
>
> > On 12/30/2022 1:06 PM Stephen Myers via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who can rebuild engines
> for British cars near the San Francisco area?
> >
> > -Steve
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jan  1 16:14:49 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 00:14:49 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Engine Builder Near San Francisco
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>From my perspective.

Huffaker presented very well sorted and fast race cars on all meetings I?ve met them and they?re a nice bunch of people.

I would say an excellent address to go to.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Alan Berry via Fot
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Januar 2023 23:08
An: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Cc: Stephen Myers via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Engine Builder Near San Francisco

 

I would recommend Huffaker at the Sonoma track. Amazing history and a great passion for vintage racing.

 

On Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 3:10 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Steve, 
What are your goals for the engine rebuild?  Is it a race or street engine?  
I would not recommend Champion Engines in Campbell.  He does not assemble engines.  Only machine work and not to a very high standard, although I'm sure he is capable.  He seems to have at least one foot well into retirement.  
Dave H.  


> On 12/30/2022 1:06 PM Stephen Myers via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
> 
>  
> Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who can rebuild engines for British cars near the San Francisco area?
> 
> -Steve
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sun Jan  1 17:26:48 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 00:26:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Engine Builder Near San Francisco
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Be prepared to pay $$$$$$ One friend paid $10,000 for a spriget miter and another $5,000 for prep of a head.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2023, at 6:56 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
From my perspective.
Huffaker presented very well sorted and fast race cars on all meetings I?ve met them and they?re a nice bunch of people.
I would say an excellent address to go to.

Cheers
Chris


Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Alan Berry via Fot
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Januar 2023 23:08
An: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Cc: Stephen Myers via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Engine Builder Near San Francisco

I would recommend Huffaker at the Sonoma track. Amazing history and a great passion for vintage racing.

On Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 3:10 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Steve,
What are your goals for the engine rebuild?  Is it a race or street engine?
I would not recommend Champion Engines in Campbell.  He does not assemble engines.  Only machine work and not to a very high standard, although I'm sure he is capable.  He seems to have at least one foot well into retirement.
Dave H.


> On 12/30/2022 1:06 PM Stephen Myers via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who can rebuild engines for British cars near the San Francisco area?
>
> -Steve
> _______________________________________________
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Sun Jan  1 17:36:17 2023
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (hankgiffin at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 19:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SEAT BELT REFURBISHING?
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FoTs, I have a pile of used seat belts and will need a new set soon.  Does anyone know which brands do refurbishing?

     Thanks, Hank

 

 

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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 18:32:43 2023
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 20:32:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SEAT BELT REFURBISHING?
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I use these guys, but they only recert / reweb their own

http://crowsafetygear.com/Pages/Recert.html

Brian

On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 8:05 PM Hank Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> FoTs, I have a pile of used seat belts and will need a new set soon.  Does
> anyone know which brands do refurbishing?
>
>      Thanks, Hank
>
>
>
>
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun Jan  1 18:39:40 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 17:39:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] SEAT BELT REFURBISHING?
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Hello Hank,
Crow Enterprises, all the way out west does, but possibly their own belts only.  Their belts are excellent and inexpensive.  Their recertifications or rewebbing services are also excellent and very inexpensive.  They've rebuilt mine a couple times and made custom changes during the process.  Excellent professional service and fast turn around.  
Best, Dave H. 

>     On 01/01/2023 4:36 PM Hank Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     FoTs, I have a pile of used seat belts and will need a new set soon.  Does anyone know which brands do refurbishing?
> 
>          Thanks, Hank
> 
> 
>         > > 
> > 
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  1 20:26:47 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 21:26:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vintage race car photos
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Thanks to Philip Gott for sending out the vintage race video at the Glen. I noticed that Lou Gigliotti was in the video. I know Lou and his son, Louis and see Louis regularly at our local track. 

I shared the link with Louis and he sent to Lou. Louis told me that the video really made his dad?s day!  Louis also shared some family pics of Lou and cars with me. Enjoy

Cheers

Dennis Walje
68 GT6 

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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 05:11:55 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 07:11:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Vintage race car photos
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?Glad you, Lou and Louis enjoyed this, Dennis!  Lou?s TR3 is now in the hands of Joe Boruch. Thanks for the photos! I remember our team (A/R Racing - Dave Ammen and Gary Rutherford) competing with Lou in that car. Good times then and now!
Phil

Sent from my iPhone



Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks to Philip Gott for sending out the vintage race video at the Glen. I noticed that Lou Gigliotti was in the video. I know Lou and his son, Louis and see Louis regularly at our local track. 
> 
> I shared the link with Louis and he sent to Lou. Louis told me that the video really made his dad?s day!  Louis also shared some family pics of Lou and cars with me. Enjoy
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 68 GT6 
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From philhyer at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 16:27:47 2023
From: philhyer at gmail.com (Phil Hyer)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 18:27:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SEAT BELT REFURBISHING?
In-Reply-To: <1123245981.655722.1672623580875@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <78BF4806-64FD-4724-8705-32E4CE289BC9@gmail.com>
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Hank,

Ultra Shield Race Products out of Texas is another option. They will reweb
their harnesses once you buy one of their sets.

Phil

(954) 801-6694.

On Sun, Jan 1, 2023, 9:47 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello Hank,
> Crow Enterprises, all the way out west does, but possibly their own belts
> only.  Their belts are excellent and inexpensive.  Their recertifications
> or rewebbing services are also excellent and very inexpensive.  They've
> rebuilt mine a couple times and made custom changes during the process.
> Excellent professional service and fast turn around.
> Best, Dave H.
>
> On 01/01/2023 4:36 PM Hank Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> FoTs, I have a pile of used seat belts and will need a new set soon.  Does
> anyone know which brands do refurbishing?
>
>      Thanks, Hank
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 17:54:46 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 19:54:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine Builder Near San Francisco
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From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Jan  2 18:19:21 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 20:19:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SEAT BELT REFURBISHING?
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From steve at artwithcars.com  Tue Jan 10 15:18:23 2023
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 14:18:23 -0800
Subject: [Fot] ATI Super Damper
Message-ID: <3B39359A-CDC3-47B1-A1CF-FDC4F312F359@artwithcars.com>

Hey there.  I have a rare and unused complete ATI crank dampener for TR3 - 4. I bought it new a few years ago and I don?t need it anymore.  I think it cost me over $400.   Need to clear space in the garage.  

$300 with free shipping

 Email me directly at steve at artwithcars.com

~Steve Belfer


From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Thu Jan 12 05:52:26 2023
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:52:26 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Grant Piston Rings, 89mm std
Message-ID: <CH2PR04MB6856A2CFAACBC8B61718BC9FB4FD9@CH2PR04MB6856.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I am refreshing my TR4 engine, use grant piston rings, 89mm bore, std. Part number P1561.std

I broke to top ring on one cylinder, don't ask it was a stupid mistake!!

I got them from BFE but he does not have any more in stock. Brian sent me a used one but I would rather put in a new one.

Does anybody know any other source for them?



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From john at linneyweb.com  Thu Jan 12 15:51:04 2023
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 14:51:04 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Need a late TR4/TR4A cylinder head
Message-ID: <79B017E1-8105-4494-B5CF-152089A56B4E@linneyweb.com>

It looks like the late type 4A head on my motor is not repairable. Does anyone have a good core (or even a fully built head) they'd like to move along? It?s going on a street car so I just need something that will work.

Any help is much appreciated.

-john

408 887 8105
https://classicmotorfilms.com

From Dave at microworks.net  Fri Jan 13 14:43:12 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 14:43:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cam, etc...
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1650@mainserver>

Well gonna have to rebuild the engine in my TR3 (this was Bob Schaller's car).

Cylinder #1 120, #2 40, #3 110, #4 125

Getting oil pushed out the dip stick so certainly seems like rings.

The car used to have a sticker on one of the fenders inside the engine bay that read Isky so guessing that is the brand of Cam that is in it.  We'll see when the engine gets broken down to confirm and see which one.  Is there a Cam that the hive mind of FOT would recommend for a Road Car that would be preferred.  The current Cam gives the motor a nice sound but as long as we're there it makes sense to go "better" too.

Also what Pistons would you recommend?  Pretty sure the car is currently 87mm

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From bownes at web9.com  Fri Jan 13 15:29:51 2023
From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 17:29:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cam, etc...
In-Reply-To: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1650@mainserver>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1650@mainserver>
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I'm not sure you (or any of us) could improve much on anything Bob did!. :)



On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:07 PM Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Well gonna have to rebuild the engine in my TR3 (this was Bob Schaller?s
> car).
>
>
>
> Cylinder #1 120, #2 40, #3 110, #4 125
>
>
>
> Getting oil pushed out the dip stick so certainly seems like rings.
>
>
>
> The car used to have a sticker on one of the fenders inside the engine bay
> that read Isky so guessing that is the brand of Cam that is in it.  We?ll
> see when the engine gets broken down to confirm and see which one.  Is
> there a Cam that the hive mind of FOT would recommend for a Road Car that
> would be preferred.  The current Cam gives the motor a nice sound but as
> long as we?re there it makes sense to go ?better? too.
>
>
>
> Also what Pistons would you recommend?  Pretty sure the car is currently
> 87mm
>
>
>
> [image: MWLOGO-Signature] <http://www.microworks.net/>
>
> *Dave Riddle*
>
> Business IT Consulting
>
> Office: 480-610-8234
>
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>
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Fri Jan 13 17:39:10 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 18:39:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cam, etc...
In-Reply-To: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1650@mainserver>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1650@mainserver>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jan 13 23:12:41 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 00:12:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cam, etc...
In-Reply-To: <C77D0268-8149-4310-8A6F-5D94F466AE12@icloud.com>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1650@mainserver>
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Message-ID: <1abab4ee-769c-e827-5323-c3225de675a3@tonydrews.com>

I love my Larry Young designed cam, but would worry about longevity for 
street use.? It's very high lift for that.? We ran an Isky 666 back in 
the day and it may be better for that kind of use, but I may not be 
remembering how tractable it was now - may not have enough low end.

- Tony Drews

On 1/13/2023 6:39 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote:
> I love my motor. Larry Young cam on new blank, 87 wiseco pistons, 
> 12.5:1 compression. But this is clearly not in a road car. ?But 
> thinking about it, with a heavier flywheel in it, might not be 
> terrible on the road other than fuel costs. Lower the compression a 
> bit and use pump gas maybe marginally ok on street.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 15:59, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Well gonna have to rebuild the engine in my TR3 (this was Bob 
>> Schaller?s car).
>>
>> Cylinder #1 120, #2 40, #3 110, #4 125
>>
>> Getting oil pushed out the dip stick so certainly seems like rings.
>>
>> The car used to have a sticker on one of the fenders inside the 
>> engine bay that read Isky so guessing that is the brand of Cam that 
>> is in it.? We?ll see when the engine gets broken down to confirm and 
>> see which one.? Is there a Cam that the hive mind of FOT would 
>> recommend for a Road Car that would be preferred.? The current Cam 
>> gives the motor a nice sound but as long as we?re there it makes 
>> sense to go ?better? too.
>>
>> Also what Pistons would you recommend? Pretty sure the car is 
>> currently 87mm
>>
>> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>
>> <image001.jpg> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>
>> *Dave Riddle*
>>
>> Business IT Consulting
>>
>> Office: 480-610-8234
>>
>> eMail: dave at microworks.net <mailto:dave at microworks.net>
>>
>> Website: http://www.microworks.net <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 14 14:34:01 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 21:34:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] MGB's for sale
References: <313095033.1486674.1673732041508.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <313095033.1486674.1673732041508@mail.yahoo.com>

Terry Williams in Belmont, NC has a "1972 MGB with a blown engine and a spare engine, and a spare car" for sale.? You can contact him at 704-533-0775.? This was an unsolicited letter I received.? I have no personal interest.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Jan 14 15:41:21 2023
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 16:41:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cam, etc...
In-Reply-To: <C77D0268-8149-4310-8A6F-5D94F466AE12@icloud.com>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1650@mainserver>
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Message-ID: <6a3aa175-43ea-aecc-7234-b03cba1070f2@pobox.com>

I'd think that cam would be too much for a street engine. I designed a 
more street friendly one with 270 degrees duration (226 at 0.050) and 
0.320 lift. A few guys bought them. Unfortunately, they were done CNC, 
so I never had a master made. I'd gladly share the numbers if someone 
wanted to make one. I think the stock TR4 cams are very good for a 
street motor.
 ?- Larry

On 1/13/2023 6:39 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote:
> I love my motor. Larry Young cam on new blank, 87 wiseco pistons, 
> 12.5:1 compression. But this is clearly not in a road car. ?But 
> thinking about it, with a heavier flywheel in it, might not be 
> terrible on the road other than fuel costs. Lower the compression a 
> bit and use pump gas maybe marginally ok on street.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 15:59, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Well gonna have to rebuild the engine in my TR3 (this was Bob 
>> Schaller?s car).
>>
>> Cylinder #1 120, #2 40, #3 110, #4 125
>>
>> Getting oil pushed out the dip stick so certainly seems like rings.
>>
>> The car used to have a sticker on one of the fenders inside the 
>> engine bay that read Isky so guessing that is the brand of Cam that 
>> is in it.? We?ll see when the engine gets broken down to confirm and 
>> see which one.? Is there a Cam that the hive mind of FOT would 
>> recommend for a Road Car that would be preferred.? The current Cam 
>> gives the motor a nice sound but as long as we?re there it makes 
>> sense to go ?better? too.
>>
>> Also what Pistons would you recommend? Pretty sure the car is 
>> currently 87mm
>>
>> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>
>> <image001.jpg> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>
>> *Dave Riddle*
>>
>> Business IT Consulting
>>
>> Office: 480-610-8234
>>
>> eMail: dave at microworks.net <mailto:dave at microworks.net>
>>
>> Website: http://www.microworks.net <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>
>> <https://partner.microsoft.com/en-US/>
>>
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Jan 14 15:44:23 2023
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 16:44:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cam, etc...
In-Reply-To: <6a3aa175-43ea-aecc-7234-b03cba1070f2@pobox.com>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1650@mainserver>
 <C77D0268-8149-4310-8A6F-5D94F466AE12@icloud.com>
 <6a3aa175-43ea-aecc-7234-b03cba1070f2@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <a6458275-16a2-eb31-efea-3f99722888bb@pobox.com>

There is a list of cams at my website - 
https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html. Some of them 
are no longer available.

On 1/14/2023 4:41 PM, Larry Young wrote:
> I'd think that cam would be too much for a street engine. I designed a 
> more street friendly one with 270 degrees duration (226 at 0.050) and 
> 0.320 lift. A few guys bought them. Unfortunately, they were done CNC, 
> so I never had a master made. I'd gladly share the numbers if someone 
> wanted to make one. I think the stock TR4 cams are very good for a 
> street motor.
> ?- Larry
>
> On 1/13/2023 6:39 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote:
>> I love my motor. Larry Young cam on new blank, 87 wiseco pistons, 
>> 12.5:1 compression. But this is clearly not in a road car. ?But 
>> thinking about it, with a heavier flywheel in it, might not be 
>> terrible on the road other than fuel costs. Lower the compression a 
>> bit and use pump gas maybe marginally ok on street.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2023, at 15:59, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Well gonna have to rebuild the engine in my TR3 (this was Bob 
>>> Schaller?s car).
>>>
>>> Cylinder #1 120, #2 40, #3 110, #4 125
>>>
>>> Getting oil pushed out the dip stick so certainly seems like rings.
>>>
>>> The car used to have a sticker on one of the fenders inside the 
>>> engine bay that read Isky so guessing that is the brand of Cam that 
>>> is in it.? We?ll see when the engine gets broken down to confirm and 
>>> see which one.? Is there a Cam that the hive mind of FOT would 
>>> recommend for a Road Car that would be preferred. The current Cam 
>>> gives the motor a nice sound but as long as we?re there it makes 
>>> sense to go ?better? too.
>>>
>>> Also what Pistons would you recommend?? Pretty sure the car is 
>>> currently 87mm
>>>
>>> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>>
>>> <image001.jpg> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>>
>>> *Dave Riddle*
>>>
>>> Business IT Consulting
>>>
>>> Office: 480-610-8234
>>>
>>> eMail: dave at microworks.net <mailto:dave at microworks.net>
>>>
>>> Website: http://www.microworks.net <http://www.microworks.net/>
>>>
>>> <https://partner.microsoft.com/en-US/>
>>>
>>> <image002.png> <https://partner.microsoft.com/en-US/>
>>> <image003.png>
>>> <https://www.acronis.com/en-us/>
>>> <image004.png>
>>> <https://www.clio.com/>
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 16:43:36 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 18:43:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
Message-ID: <CAELLCgcn_madRSaO_eXk4mN8CbdpRFQV18geQhD88qDucvJSHg@mail.gmail.com>

I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a
Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does
anyone have any info on what car this came from?

Thanks
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun Jan 15 08:15:08 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 15:15:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
In-Reply-To: <CAELLCgcn_madRSaO_eXk4mN8CbdpRFQV18geQhD88qDucvJSHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAELLCgcn_madRSaO_eXk4mN8CbdpRFQV18geQhD88qDucvJSHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2146608927.1635494.1673795708505@mail.yahoo.com>

 I'm pretty sure that the early Herald used the aluminum case, perhaps someone else can confirm this?
 I have one too, stashed away somewhere...
Glen Efinger
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2023 6:43 pm
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission

I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.? I have not been able to track down the origin.? Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?
Thanks?

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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 09:48:41 2023
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 16:48:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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 the Herald used an iron case with the early ones using an aluminum bellhousing - the Triumph 10 had an all aluminum gearbox, bellhousing cast as part of the main case
    On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 09:33:21 AM CST, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  I'm pretty sure that the early Herald used the aluminum case, perhaps someone else can confirm this?
 I have one too, stashed away somewhere...
Glen Efinger
 
 
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Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2023 6:43 pm
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission

I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.? I have not been able to track down the origin.? Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?
Thanks?

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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jan 15 10:17:39 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 12:17:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither one shows up in all my reference material.


Joe

> On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>     I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?
> 
>     Thanks 
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 10:18:03 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 17:18:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Yes, the 10 uses the aluminum with integral bell housing and a top loader style shifter. Is this a trans you are looking to get rid of. My wife and I have a 10 we're working on...



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From rick.parent at att.net  Sun Jan 15 11:16:10 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 18:16:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cam, etc...
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Greetings friends!
This may be of some interest for those looking for an edge in their racing program. I have been researching and designing my own cam for 30 years and even wrote my own cam design program to no avail. I have been using this program for the last 4 years and now its available to the public so cheap its disturbing considering the thousands of dollars I have spent on software and blowing through close to 50 trial and error cams, 30 of them where on new cam blanks.
This program has taken my engines to another level and will give you all the info you need for designing new engines or working with the parts you have but the best part is it will give you an s96 file to send to the cam grinder or you can make a master for a manual cam grinder. The s96 lob design is yours, you own it and is not what the expert on the other end of the phone thinks you should have.
Its all math and no guesswork. Cam companies have giant data bases for common motors and can get pretty close based on dyno data collected over 6-7 decades. For anything other than Ford and Chevy we are pretty much on our own.
Normally I would not share this kind of info but Rick Jones and I have become friends over the years and I just want to help him out, there is nothing in this for me. Below is the link to the software and it is stupid cheap at the moment, I expect the price to increase shortly, its worth 5 times what its going for today.
I never enter into the cam conversations because even the best cam designers and companies can't say with 100% certainty "this is exactly correct for you" so I refuse to get into a pissing contest with internet experts and boy there is a lot of them out there.
This software will revolutionize cam design and the cam companies will most likely loose there minds when we show up at PRI this year. Rick and I will be sharing a booth with my steel synchro's and his software.?
If the software is to much money or over your head, no worries I would be glad to design a cam for a fee of course. ;-)?
https://induction-logic.com/


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    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 03:52:02 PM MST, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  I'd think that cam would be too much for a street engine. I designed a more street friendly one with 270 degrees duration (226 at 0.050) and 0.320 lift. A few guys bought them. Unfortunately, they were done CNC, so I never had a master made. I'd gladly share the numbers if someone wanted to make one. I think the stock TR4 cams are very good for a street motor. 
 ?- Larry
 
 On 1/13/2023 6:39 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote:
  
 
 I love my motor. Larry Young cam on new blank, 87 wiseco pistons, 12.5:1 compression. But this is clearly not in a road car. ?But thinking about it, with a heavier flywheel in it, might not be terrible on the road other than fuel costs. Lower the compression a bit and use pump gas maybe marginally ok on street.?
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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Well gonna have to rebuild the engine in my TR3 (this was Bob Schaller?s car). 
 
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Cylinder #1 120, #2 40, #3 110, #4 125
 
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Getting oil pushed out the dip stick so certainly seems like rings.
 
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The car used to have a sticker on one of the fenders inside the engine bay that read Isky so guessing that is the brand of Cam that is in it.? We?ll see when the engine gets broken down to confirm and see which one.? Is there a Cam that the hive mind of FOT would recommend for a Road Car that would be preferred.? The current Cam gives the motor a nice sound but as long as we?re there it makes sense to go ?better? too.
 
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Also what Pistons would you recommend?? Pretty sure the car is currently 87mm
 
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 11:31:50 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 13:31:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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I read something on line about GR meaning it is a factory reconditioned
unit.  I don't know if that is true.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:17 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

> The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second
> character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither
> one shows up in all my reference material.
>
>
> Joe
>
> On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a
> Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does
> anyone have any info on what car this came from?
>
> Thanks
>
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun Jan 15 12:09:21 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 19:09:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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 Mine's G29066 for whatever that's worth...
Glen
 
 
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To: Rod Pierce <rpierce141 at gmail.com>; Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2023 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission

 The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second character alludes me.? I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither one shows up in all my reference material. 
 Joe 
 On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
 
  I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.? I have not been able to track down the origin.? Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?  
   Thanks? 
  
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Sun Jan 15 12:52:39 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 11:52:39 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Wow, what a nice car and restoration.  Well done you.  Ken

 

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission

 

Yes, the 10 uses the aluminum with integral bell housing and a top loader style shifter. Is this a trans you are looking to get rid of. My wife and I have a 10 we're working on...







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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 13:04:55 2023
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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 15:04:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 2:09 PM fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> wrote:

> Mine's G29066 for whatever that's worth...
>
> Glen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Rod Pierce <rpierce141 at gmail.com>; Rod Pierce via Fot <
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> Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2023 12:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
>
> The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second
> character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither
> one shows up in all my reference material.
>
> Joe
>
> On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a
> Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does
> anyone have any info on what car this came from?
>
> Thanks
>
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 13:17:13 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 15:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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>From Shawn Frank's Triumph Spitfire spec page
http://triumphspitfire.com/enginenumbers.html
This applies to the engine numbers, I'm sure a similar system was used for
other parts. Notice for a Factory Rebuilt unit, the original SN is
overstamped and a number plate attached.

*FRE or FR* - Engine number suffix for "Factory Reconditioned Engine".
These engines often had its original number oblitterated by overstamping,
usually with the letter 'X' and a special plate rivetted to the block on
the vertical face of the boss which carried the original engine number.
This identification plate was used on Standards and Triumphs from the mid
1950's into the 1970's and is equally applicable to the Standard 8 and 10
as it is to the TR6. Visit this link
<http://freespace.virgin.net/w.davies/Plates/FRETR.htm> for a photo of the
plate.

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On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 3:07 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I read something on line about GR meaning it is a factory reconditioned
> unit.  I don't know if that is true.
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:17 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second
>> character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither
>> one shows up in all my reference material.
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a
>> Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does
>> anyone have any info on what car this came from?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 13:21:03 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 20:21:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Thanks Ken, just don't look too close! ?Jake

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From tony.sheach at live.co.uk  Sun Jan 15 13:37:21 2023
From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 20:37:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Hi Rod

Yes all factory recon gearboxes were restamped GR, engines carried a small brass plate and recoded on that plate FRE, with the crank grind details etc 10 thou etc

Regards

Tony

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On 15 Jan 2023, at 20:07, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
I read something on line about GR meaning it is a factory reconditioned unit.  I don't know if that is true.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:17 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>> wrote:

The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither one shows up in all my reference material.


Joe

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I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?

Thanks

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun Jan 15 13:46:49 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 20:46:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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 The one that I have has the G stamped above the number, no other letters.
Glen

 
 
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To: Rod Pierce <rpierce141 at gmail.com>; Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission

 The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second character alludes me.? I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither one shows up in all my reference material. 
 Joe 
 On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
 
  I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.? I have not been able to track down the origin.? Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?  
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 13:49:26 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 15:49:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Thanks for the info.

So I take it Herald and spitfire transmission parts are interchangeable.

It bolts right up to a 1300 I have laying around.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 3:37 PM Tony Sheach <tony.sheach at live.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Rod
>
> Yes all factory recon gearboxes were restamped GR, engines carried a small
> brass plate and recoded on that plate FRE, with the crank grind details etc
> 10 thou etc
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 15 Jan 2023, at 20:07, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
> I read something on line about GR meaning it is a factory reconditioned
> unit.  I don't know if that is true.
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:17 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second
>> character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither
>> one shows up in all my reference material.
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a
>> Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does
>> anyone have any info on what car this came from?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 15:12:21 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 22:12:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Yep, just like my Standard 10, but with a "remote" shifter.

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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sun Jan 15 20:08:26 2023
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 22:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun Jan 15 21:11:36 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 20:11:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Nice to see some action on the Fot list.  
Attached is a photo of a factory engine rebuild tag on a Triumph Vanguard engine in the stash.  I'm pretty sure it's from a mid '50s Renown/ Razor Edge.  The car is still sitting up in the mountains of Santa Cruz where it has been for decades.  Sadly, it's becoming one with the earth.  
The tag date is May 18, 1958 as far as I can tell.  I have the complete engine with manifolds, carb and air cleaner system...if by chance anyone would be interested in it.  
Cheers everyone,
Dave H.

>     On 01/15/2023 7:08 PM Ted Schumacher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     There were at least 2 different alloy bellhousings One had a thicker mounting flange than the other. Ted
> 
>     On Jan 15, 2023 3:49 PM, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>         > >         Thanks for the info. 
> > 
> >         So I take it Herald and spitfire transmission parts are interchangeable. 
> > 
> >         It bolts right up to a 1300 I have laying around. 
> > 
> >         On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 3:37 PM Tony Sheach <tony.sheach at live.co.uk mailto:tony.sheach at live.co.uk > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             Hi Rod
> > > 
> > >             Yes all factory recon gearboxes were restamped GR, engines carried a small brass plate and recoded on that plate FRE, with the crank grind details etc 10 thou etc 
> > > 
> > >             Regards
> > > 
> > >             Tony 
> > > 
> > >             Sent from my iPad
> > > 
> > >             On 15 Jan 2023, at 20:07, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >             I read something on line about GR meaning it is a factory reconditioned unit.  I don't know if that is true.
> > > 
> > >             On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:17 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net mailto:spitlist at cox.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither one shows up in all my reference material.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Joe
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Thanks 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     _______________________________________________
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun Jan 15 21:14:54 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 20:14:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Here's a better image of the rebuild tag.

>     On 01/15/2023 7:08 PM Ted Schumacher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     There were at least 2 different alloy bellhousings One had a thicker mounting flange than the other. Ted
> 
>     On Jan 15, 2023 3:49 PM, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>         > >         Thanks for the info. 
> > 
> >         So I take it Herald and spitfire transmission parts are interchangeable. 
> > 
> >         It bolts right up to a 1300 I have laying around. 
> > 
> >         On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 3:37 PM Tony Sheach <tony.sheach at live.co.uk mailto:tony.sheach at live.co.uk > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             Hi Rod
> > > 
> > >             Yes all factory recon gearboxes were restamped GR, engines carried a small brass plate and recoded on that plate FRE, with the crank grind details etc 10 thou etc 
> > > 
> > >             Regards
> > > 
> > >             Tony 
> > > 
> > >             Sent from my iPad
> > > 
> > >             On 15 Jan 2023, at 20:07, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >             I read something on line about GR meaning it is a factory reconditioned unit.  I don't know if that is true.
> > > 
> > >             On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:17 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net mailto:spitlist at cox.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither one shows up in all my reference material.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Joe
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Thanks 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 21:39:40 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 20:39:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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On 1/15/23 8:11 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
> Nice to see some action on the Fot list.
> Attached is a photo of a factory engine rebuild tag on a Triumph 
> Vanguard engine in the stash.? I'm pretty sure it's from a mid '50s 
> Renown/ Razor Edge.? The car is still sitting up in the mountains of 
> Santa Cruz where it has been for decades.? Sadly, it's becoming one 
> with the earth.
> The tag date is May 18, 1958 as far as I can tell.? I have the 
> complete engine with manifolds, carb and air cleaner system...if by 
> chance anyone would be interested in it.
> Cheers everyone,
> Dave H.

Would that be the one sitting behind a wood fence off highway 9 across 
the street from the high school in the San Lorenzo Valley?

If yes, I knew the car in mid late 1980s. The owner had that plus stacks 
of Triumph body parts, and did upholstery work. I have long wondered 
what happened to him his cars & piles of parts.

TeriAnn
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 22:28:14 2023
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 23:28:14 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Here's some info from my website that will have engine and gearbox prefixes
explained.

http://www.triumphspitfire.com/enginenumbers.html

I have an aluminum bell housing from a Herald on my Spitfire 1300. Bolted
right up.

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 6:10 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the info.
>
> So I take it Herald and spitfire transmission parts are interchangeable.
>
> It bolts right up to a 1300 I have laying around.
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 3:37 PM Tony Sheach <tony.sheach at live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rod
>>
>> Yes all factory recon gearboxes were restamped GR, engines carried a
>> small brass plate and recoded on that plate FRE, with the crank grind
>> details etc 10 thou etc
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 15 Jan 2023, at 20:07, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I read something on line about GR meaning it is a factory reconditioned
>> unit.  I don't know if that is true.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:17 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second
>>> character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither
>>> one shows up in all my reference material.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a
>>> Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does
>>> anyone have any info on what car this came from?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jan 16 07:30:04 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 09:30:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Transmission
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Here is a photo of the thicker one I have in my Red Mk1 Spit.

Joe

> On January 15, 2023 at 10:08 PM Ted Schumacher via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>     There were at least 2 different alloy bellhousings One had a thicker mounting flange than the other. Ted
> 
>     On Jan 15, 2023 3:49 PM, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>         > >         Thanks for the info. 
> > 
> >         So I take it Herald and spitfire transmission parts are interchangeable. 
> > 
> >         It bolts right up to a 1300 I have laying around. 
> > 
> >         On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 3:37 PM Tony Sheach <tony.sheach at live.co.uk mailto:tony.sheach at live.co.uk > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             Hi Rod
> > > 
> > >             Yes all factory recon gearboxes were restamped GR, engines carried a small brass plate and recoded on that plate FRE, with the crank grind details etc 10 thou etc 
> > > 
> > >             Regards
> > > 
> > >             Tony 
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> > >             Sent from my iPad
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> > >             On 15 Jan 2023, at 20:07, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >             I read something on line about GR meaning it is a factory reconditioned unit.  I don't know if that is true.
> > > 
> > >             On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 12:17 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net mailto:spitlist at cox.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 The leading G would certainly look to be from a Herald but the second character alludes me.  I can't tell whether it is a P or an R, but neither one shows up in all my reference material.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Joe
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> > > >                     > > > > > On January 14, 2023 at 6:43 PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     I acquired this transmission with a bunch of spares when I bought a Spitfire awhile back.  I have not been able to track down the origin.  Does anyone have any info on what car this came from?
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> > > > >                     Thanks 
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Mon Jan 16 08:05:26 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 15:05:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?
Thank you,??
Greg Thompson?
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 08:36:47 2023
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 10:36:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmo4o-=uSN5SHLuqOUXLg0Up7f_Mu5JfLjTD3OTpncLaVKryg@mail.gmail.com>

Greg,
        I don't have any to part with, I've had multiple sets on order for
many months....Rimmer's just canceled my order, and indicated the gear sets
are no longer available.  I talked to them on the phone; it's possible they
may be able to source them sometime in the distant future, but for now,
they have marked the part number as "OBSOLETE" in their system.  Bummer :(

Jason Sukey

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:29 AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6
> gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at
> all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Greg Thompson
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Mon Jan 16 08:52:03 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 15:52:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <CAMmo4o-=uSN5SHLuqOUXLg0Up7f_Mu5JfLjTD3OTpncLaVKryg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMmo4o-=uSN5SHLuqOUXLg0Up7f_Mu5JfLjTD3OTpncLaVKryg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <505267755.2027082.1673884323377@mail.yahoo.com>

I got the same reply.
Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 09:37:01 AM CST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Greg,?? ? ? ? I don't have any to part with, I've had multiple sets on order for many months....Rimmer's just canceled my order, and indicated the gear sets are no longer available.? I talked to them on the phone; it's possible they may be able to source them sometime in the distant future, but for now, they have marked the part number as "OBSOLETE" in their system.? Bummer :(
Jason Sukey
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:29 AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi All,
Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?
Thank you,??
Greg Thompson?_______________________________________________
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Mon Jan 16 10:06:25 2023
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 11:06:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.19.1673888777.8844.fot@autox.team.net>

You all need to go to dog box gear sets!? Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!Steve Yott
-------- Original message --------From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/16/23  9:30 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears Hi All,Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?Thank you,??Greg Thompson?
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 10:39:59 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 11:39:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <505267755.2027082.1673884323377@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMmo4o-=uSN5SHLuqOUXLg0Up7f_Mu5JfLjTD3OTpncLaVKryg@mail.gmail.com>
 <505267755.2027082.1673884323377@mail.yahoo.com>
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I looked at the Moss UK website and they appear to have stock in all the
pieces other than the 23 spine, 31 tooth, input shaft. I haven't done any
research, but both the 10 spline and 23 spine shafts get the tranny
spinning at 1 to one. JK Jackson used to build transmission using a mixed
set of TR3 through 6 gears.  Maybe the available close ratios 3rd gear set
could improve on his recipe?






On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:34 AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I got the same reply.
>
> Greg Thompson
>
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 09:37:01 AM CST, Jason Sukey <
> jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Greg,
>         I don't have any to part with, I've had multiple sets on order for
> many months....Rimmer's just canceled my order, and indicated the gear sets
> are no longer available.  I talked to them on the phone; it's possible they
> may be able to source them sometime in the distant future, but for now,
> they have marked the part number as "OBSOLETE" in their system.  Bummer :(
>
> Jason Sukey
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:29 AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6
> gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at
> all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Greg Thompson
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From Dave at microworks.net  Mon Jan 16 10:57:46 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 10:57:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Piston question
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1661@mainserver>

Anyone had experience with either the 87 or 89mm Piston set from Moss? I think my motor currently has 87 but will not know for sure until we crack it open hopefully this week.

https://mossmotors.com/814-290-piston-liner-set-89mm

https://mossmotors.com/814-305-piston-liner-set-87mm-aftermarket


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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 11:54:25 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 10:54:25 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <20230116181747.B9A3AA01F1@autox.team.net>
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Hey Steve?

Just for my education, can you describe just what the noise is like?  (Not that it would matter in a race car)

?Justin  

> On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Steve Yott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> You all need to go to dog box gear sets!  Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Yott
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out. 
> 
> Thank you,  
> 
> Greg Thompson 
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Mon Jan 16 12:19:54 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 19:19:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <202301161706.30GH4Xps098271@alpd679.prodigy.net>
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <33789495.2124459.1673896794245@mail.yahoo.com>

I have looked at the dog box but at $4860 vs $650 its a big hit. Bob's suggestion of using only the 3rd gear I think would get 2nd and?3rd closer but would make a bigger jump to 4th then.?
Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:06:31 AM CST, Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com> wrote:  
 
 You all need to go to dog box gear sets!? Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!


Steve Yott

-------- Original message --------From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears 
Hi All,
Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?
Thank you,??
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Jan 16 13:04:26 2023
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:04:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <CABFvdWuZwGFBsmCadjYij2XupyapogM0YBB2Bd-rM9FzT+TNRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAMmo4o-=uSN5SHLuqOUXLg0Up7f_Mu5JfLjTD3OTpncLaVKryg@mail.gmail.com>
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Period correct racing the DB is not allowed.....? Bobby Whitehead
   On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 01:10:01 PM CST, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I looked?at the Moss UK website and they appear to have stock in all the pieces other than the 23 spine, 31 tooth, input shaft. I haven't done any research, but both the 10 spline and 23 spine shafts get the tranny spinning at 1 to one. JK Jackson used to build transmission using a mixed set of TR3 through 6 gears.? Maybe the available close ratios 3rd gear set could improve on his recipe?


?

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:34 AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I got the same reply.
Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 09:37:01 AM CST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Greg,?? ? ? ? I don't have any to part with, I've had multiple sets on order for many months....Rimmer's just canceled my order, and indicated the gear sets are no longer available.? I talked to them on the phone; it's possible they may be able to source them sometime in the distant future, but for now, they have marked the part number as "OBSOLETE" in their system.? Bummer :(
Jason Sukey
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:29 AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi All,
Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?
Thank you,??
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Mon Jan 16 13:17:31 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:17:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Steve didn?t you mean to say Y?all, after all it is the only proper pronoun!  Cheers, hope Y?all have a happy and prosperous new year.

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Steve Yott via Fot
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 12:06 PM
To: GREGORY THOMPSON <thompsong at prodigy.net>; FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

You all need to go to dog box gear sets!  Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!



Steve Yott


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Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears

Hi All,

Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.

Thank you,

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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Mon Jan 16 13:17:37 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:17:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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I heard of a guy that had a dog box in his Sprigit and the group he was running with made him remove it. When it comes to transmissions, I think there may be a few that are braking the rules. Some groups may be more lenient than others are on your transmission choice.
Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 02:04:34 PM CST, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:  
 
 Period correct racing the DB is not allowed.....? Bobby Whitehead
   On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 01:10:01 PM CST, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I looked?at the Moss UK website and they appear to have stock in all the pieces other than the 23 spine, 31 tooth, input shaft. I haven't done any research, but both the 10 spline and 23 spine shafts get the tranny spinning at 1 to one. JK Jackson used to build transmission using a mixed set of TR3 through 6 gears.? Maybe the available close ratios 3rd gear set could improve on his recipe?


?

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:34 AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I got the same reply.
Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 09:37:01 AM CST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Greg,?? ? ? ? I don't have any to part with, I've had multiple sets on order for many months....Rimmer's just canceled my order, and indicated the gear sets are no longer available.? I talked to them on the phone; it's possible they may be able to source them sometime in the distant future, but for now, they have marked the part number as "OBSOLETE" in their system.? Bummer :(
Jason Sukey
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:29 AM GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi All,
Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?
Thank you,??
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jan 16 13:34:04 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 21:34:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Hi,

 

Maybe Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Betreff: [Fot] Close ratio gears

 

Hi All,

 

Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out. 

 

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon Jan 16 13:53:59 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:53:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Piston question
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 They're likely "county" brand, that's what I got from them in 87 a couple years ago, they seem to be OK in a street engine but I wouldn't expect any more than that out of them...
Glen Efinger
 
 
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Mon Jan 16 14:16:34 2023
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 15:16:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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I always understood that the plural of y'all would be all-y'all.... but I'm a Yankee from Wisconsin so what do I know other than beer and bratwurst!!Steve Yott
-------- Original message --------From: "John H. Hasty" <jhasty at mhc-law.com> Date: 1/16/23  2:17 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com>, GREGORY THOMPSON <thompsong at prodigy.net>, FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: RE: [Fot] Close ratio gears 

Steve didn?t you mean to say Y?all, after all it is the only proper pronoun!? Cheers, hope Y?all have a happy and prosperous new year.
?


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Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears


?

You all need to go to dog box gear sets!? Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!


?


?


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Steve Yott



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Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) 



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Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears 



?




Hi All,


?


Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Mon Jan 16 14:37:18 2023
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 16:37:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Piston question
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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Jan 16 14:47:23 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 21:47:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Piston question
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Dave;
Those pistons are all stock dimensions with respect to the compression height (distance from the center of the wrist pin to the piston crown). As I recall in the article about your car, your rods are about 1/2 inch longer than stock and hence use a piston with the wrist pin higher up into the piston. ?If you intend to use the long roads, the?Moss?pistons won't work.
Racetorations has some very robust 87 mm liner that would be good to use with some nice custom pistons....?
Phil


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Anyone had experience with either the 87 or 89mm Piston set from Moss? I think my motor currently has 87 but will not know for sure until we crack it open hopefully this week.

 ?

https://mossmotors.com/814-290-piston-liner-set-89mm

 ?

https://mossmotors.com/814-305-piston-liner-set-87mm-aftermarket

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 16 15:19:09 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 22:19:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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 I'm not Steve, but I know why straight-cut gears are noisy! Helical gears simply put, make less noise. Helical gears also put axial thrust loads on the layshaft and layshaft thrust washers and that, as we know is a big problem with bit TR gear boxes.
So, the straight-cut gears are a win-win for a race car. You won't hear the noise and you get longer thrust bearing life...
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 04:10:50 PM EST, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hey Steve?
Just for my education, can you describe just what the noise is like? ?(Not that it would matter in a race car)
?Justin ?

On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Steve Yott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?You all need to go to dog box gear sets!? Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!


Steve Yott

-------- Original message --------From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears 
Hi All,
Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Mon Jan 16 15:30:50 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 22:30:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Gosh, all I can say is it must be less than the noise of the exhaust ? cause I cain?t hear it at all

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2023, at 4:07 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

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Hey Steve?

Just for my education, can you describe just what the noise is like?  (Not that it would matter in a race car)

?Justin

On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Steve Yott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
You all need to go to dog box gear sets!  Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!



Steve Yott


-------- Original message --------
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Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears

Hi All,

Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.

Thank you,

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 15:49:37 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 16:49:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <33789495.2124459.1673896794245@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <33789495.2124459.1673896794245@mail.yahoo.com>
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Put them on an overdrive main shaft and use 3rd overdrive? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2023, at 4:41 PM, GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have looked at the dog box but at $4860 vs $650 its a big hit. Bob's suggestion of using only the 3rd gear I think would get 2nd and 3rd closer but would make a bigger jump to 4th then. 
> 
> Greg Thompson 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:06:31 AM CST, Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> You all need to go to dog box gear sets!  Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Yott
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out. 
> 
> Thank you,  
> 
> Greg Thompson 
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Mon Jan 16 16:21:58 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 23:21:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <A489BCAD-F1F5-488D-98B9-DCE224B0992C@gmail.com>
References: <33789495.2124459.1673896794245@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <107313070.2228224.1673911318248@mail.yahoo.com>

Good news. John at Quantum has a set and it sounds like he has more as well. Thanks for all the responses.
Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 04:49:40 PM CST, Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Put them on an overdrive main shaft and use 3rd overdrive??

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2023, at 4:41 PM, GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?I have looked at the dog box but at $4860 vs $650 its a big hit. Bob's suggestion of using only the 3rd gear I think would get 2nd and?3rd closer but would make a bigger jump to 4th then.?
Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:06:31 AM CST, Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com> wrote:  
 
 You all need to go to dog box gear sets!? Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!


Steve Yott

-------- Original message --------From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears 
Hi All,
Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?
Thank you,??
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 17 00:36:52 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 08:36:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <33789495.2124459.1673896794245@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <33789495.2124459.1673896794245@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003701d92a46$77a8d190$66fa74b0$@gmail.com>

Yep, some money to spend.

I run my dogbox now 12 years without any issue.

Not even the layshaft had any problem.

Very rugged stuff for the original housing.

And does quick shift too.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 20:20
An: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

 

I have looked at the dog box but at $4860 vs $650 its a big hit. Bob's suggestion of using only the 3rd gear I think would get 2nd and 3rd closer but would make a bigger jump to 4th then. 

 

Greg Thompson 

 

 

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:06:31 AM CST, Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com <mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com> > wrote: 

 

 

You all need to go to dog box gear sets!  Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!

 

 

 

Steve Yott

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > 

Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) 

To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears 

 

Hi All,

 

Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out. 

 

Thank you,  

 

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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Jan 17 01:20:37 2023
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 08:20:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <003701d92a46$77a8d190$66fa74b0$@gmail.com>
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
 <202301161706.30GH4Xps098271@alpd679.prodigy.net>
 <33789495.2124459.1673896794245@mail.yahoo.com>
 <003701d92a46$77a8d190$66fa74b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67F7F82A-D5F7-44B8-B2C6-A3289F6AA1E7@btinternet.com>

Yep, I have Bastuck dog boxes in both my TR6 and TR4, they are just the best and I have never had any issues with them.

Cheers,

Keith

> On 17 Jan 2023, at 07:36, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Yep, some money to spend.
> I run my dogbox now 12 years without any issue.
> Not even the layshaft had any problem.
> Very rugged stuff for the original housing.
> And does quick shift too.
>  
> Cheers
> Chris
>  
>  
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 20:20
> An: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>; Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com <mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com>>
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears
>  
> I have looked at the dog box but at $4860 vs $650 its a big hit. Bob's suggestion of using only the 3rd gear I think would get 2nd and 3rd closer but would make a bigger jump to 4th then. 
>  
> Greg Thompson 
>  
>  
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:06:31 AM CST, Steve Yott <tr4 at wi.rr.com <mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com>> wrote: 
>  
>  
> You all need to go to dog box gear sets!  Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!
>  
>  
>  
> Steve Yott
>  
>  
> -------- Original message --------
> From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> 
> Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> 
> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears 
>  
> Hi All,
>  
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out. 
>  
> Thank you,  
>  
> Greg Thompson 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 04:43:02 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 06:43:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <242B9D2E-88B9-4D4C-B2A8-7416EA8EA60D@mhc-law.com>
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I kind of like the noise. It reminds me of pre war cars that had a nice whine in first gear, which was often straight cut. But you're right: in a race car there are other things that drown out that noise.
Phil G

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:21 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Gosh, all I can say is it must be less than the noise of the exhaust ? cause I cain?t hear it at all
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2023, at 4:07 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> <image.png>
>> Hey Steve?
>> 
>> Just for my education, can you describe just what the noise is like?  (Not that it would matter in a race car)
>> 
>> ?Justin  
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Steve Yott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> You all need to go to dog box gear sets!  Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve Yott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,  
>>> 
>>> Greg Thompson 
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>>> 
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From gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 08:28:48 2023
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 15:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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References: <242B9D2E-88B9-4D4C-B2A8-7416EA8EA60D@mhc-law.com>
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Why doesn?t someone come buy my thirty year racing program? ?It comes with a dog box, a close ratio box, eight refurbishment shed cosmically, a Farnham billet crank, lots of Carrillo and pauter rods, freshly rebuilt Webers courtesy of Inglese, fully sorted suspension with high end Koni shocks. ?A dozen cams from mild to wild.?Not to mention thirty years of development notes. ?I can?t afford to race anymore


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 3:49 AM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I kind of like the noise. It reminds me of pre war cars that had a nice whine in first gear, which was often straight cut. But you're right: in a race car there are other things that drown out that noise.Phil G

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:21 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
Gosh, all I can say is it must be less than the noise of the exhaust ? cause I cain?t hear it at all

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2023, at 4:07 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?<image.png>Hey Steve?
Just for my education, can you describe just what the noise is like? ?(Not that it would matter in a race car)
?Justin ?

On Jan 16, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Steve Yott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?You all need to go to dog box gear sets!? Eliminates so many issues and you can get them!!


Steve Yott

-------- Original message --------From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears 
Hi All,
Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out.?
Thank you,??
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Tue Jan 17 08:39:05 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 07:39:05 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
In-Reply-To: <67F7F82A-D5F7-44B8-B2C6-A3289F6AA1E7@btinternet.com>
References: <352416040.1992594.1673881526608@mail.yahoo.com>
 <202301161706.30GH4Xps098271@alpd679.prodigy.net>
 <33789495.2124459.1673896794245@mail.yahoo.com>
 <003701d92a46$77a8d190$66fa74b0$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <004801d92a89$d6d74aa0$8485dfe0$@mitchelplumbing.com>

They do wear, though.

The dogs start to get rounded.

Charly Mitchel

TR6 #44

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Keith Files via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 12:21 AM
To: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: Irv Korey <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

 

Yep, I have Bastuck dog boxes in both my TR6 and TR4, they are just the best
and I have never had any issues with them.

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

 

On 17 Jan 2023, at 07:36, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net
<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

Yep, some money to spend.

I run my dogbox now 12 years without any issue.

Not even the layshaft had any problem.

Very rugged stuff for the original housing.

And does quick shift too.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot < <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> fot-bounces at autox.team.net>
Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 20:20
An: FOT Triumph < <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> fot at autox.team.net>; Steve
Yott < <mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com> tr4 at wi.rr.com>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

 

I have looked at the dog box but at $4860 vs $650 its a big hit. Bob's
suggestion of using only the 3rd gear I think would get 2nd and 3rd closer
but would make a bigger jump to 4th then. 

 

Greg Thompson 

 

 

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:06:31 AM CST, Steve Yott <
<mailto:tr4 at wi.rr.com> tr4 at wi.rr.com> wrote: 

 

 

You all need to go to dog box gear sets!  Eliminates so many issues and you
can get them!!

 

 

 

Steve Yott

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: GREGORY THOMPSON via Fot < <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
fot at autox.team.net> 

Date: 1/16/23 9:30 AM (GMT-06:00) 

To: FOT Triumph < <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> fot at autox.team.net> 

Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears 

 

Hi All,

 

Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the TR4-6
gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on backorder at
all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock date further out. 

 

Thank you,  

 

Greg Thompson 

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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Jan 17 09:22:59 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:22:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Interesting conversation, if the manufacturer of the close ratio 
gearsets is truly done and can't be convinced to make more, this could 
have pretty big implications to a lot of racers here.

Does anybody know the ratios of the dogbox gearset?

Henry Frye

On 2023-01-16 15:34, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Maybe Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON
> via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 16:05
> An: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Betreff: [Fot] Close ratio gears
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the
> TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on
> backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock
> date further out.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Greg Thompson
> _______________________________________________
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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 10:14:20 2023
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 12:14:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Greg, I see that TR Enterprises in England has a used set on their shelf.
300 pound
https://triumphspecialtuning.com/product/close-ratio-gearset-triumph-tr4-6/
NFI
Mike Deweerd

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 11:32 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Interesting conversation, if the manufacturer of the close ratio
> gearsets is truly done and can't be convinced to make more, this could
> have pretty big implications to a lot of racers here.
>
> Does anybody know the ratios of the dogbox gearset?
>
> Henry Frye
>
> On 2023-01-16 15:34, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Maybe Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON
> > via Fot
> > Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 16:05
> > An: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Betreff: [Fot] Close ratio gears
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the
> > TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on
> > backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock
> > date further out.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Greg Thompson
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue Jan 17 13:24:36 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 12:24:36 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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When that happens we can look for alternatives.  You can get a Jerico 4
speed racing transmission that will handle 4 times the power a TR box
(forever), and given gearset costs, it's not a bad investment.  You can even
get it with close to the ratios of TR CR box.  Not vintage but if we want to
race into the future gearboxes are going to be a major problem.  Already
lots of Toyota 5 speeds quietly on the grid.   The vast majority of parts
made for racing today are far superior to what was available 60 years ago,
just look at the technological leaps in racing oil.  So as a sport we adapt
or stop racing.  Kas's moto was "Never be beaten by equipment".   The vast
majority of that equipment no longer exists, so when my last two TR
gearboxes are done it will be time for a change.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 8:23 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

Interesting conversation, if the manufacturer of the close ratio gearsets is
truly done and can't be convinced to make more, this could have pretty big
implications to a lot of racers here.

Does anybody know the ratios of the dogbox gearset?

Henry Frye

On 2023-01-16 15:34, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Maybe Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON 
> via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 16:05
> An: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Betreff: [Fot] Close ratio gears
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the
> TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?  They have been on 
> backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock 
> date further out.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Greg Thompson
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From rick.parent at att.net  Tue Jan 17 14:06:51 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 21:06:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Heck, I can make anything including gearsets and shafts but no one in their right mind will do it because of the costs involved. Hewland Mk 9 gears sets cost $325 each at this point, times four or five is not cheap. When a dog box brakes it's 2-4K for repairs and parts. A Jerico is fine if you need the extra weight and are prepared to lose some acceleration because of the added moment of inertia weight of the giant gears and shafts.
If someone can guarantee an order for say 30 sets I would be glad to do a quote for the TR4/6 close ratio set up, I would also need a good set for engineering purposes.
I guess my point is if guys are whining about paying $85 each for steel synchro's to fix the stock gearbox issues, I think they would come unglued having to pony up for the close ratio gear sets. If there is a stock of these gears sets somewhere please tell me and I will buy them all at the current price. Realistically they should cost 3 times or more than what they sell for today.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 01:36:41 PM MST, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 When that happens we can look for alternatives.? You can get a Jerico 4
speed racing transmission that will handle 4 times the power a TR box
(forever), and given gearset costs, it's not a bad investment.? You can even
get it with close to the ratios of TR CR box.? Not vintage but if we want to
race into the future gearboxes are going to be a major problem.? Already
lots of Toyota 5 speeds quietly on the grid.? The vast majority of parts
made for racing today are far superior to what was available 60 years ago,
just look at the technological leaps in racing oil.? So as a sport we adapt
or stop racing.? Kas's moto was "Never be beaten by equipment".? The vast
majority of that equipment no longer exists, so when my last two TR
gearboxes are done it will be time for a change.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 8:23 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

Interesting conversation, if the manufacturer of the close ratio gearsets is
truly done and can't be convinced to make more, this could have pretty big
implications to a lot of racers here.

Does anybody know the ratios of the dogbox gearset?

Henry Frye

On 2023-01-16 15:34, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Maybe Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON 
> via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 16:05
> An: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Betreff: [Fot] Close ratio gears
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the
> TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on 
> backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock 
> date further out.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Greg Thompson
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 17 14:46:27 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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 WHEN i ORDERED MY FIRST 2 SETS OF CLOSE RATION GEARS FOR MY RACE CAR, IT WAS $800 FOR BOTH SETS (i.e. $400 per set)!
Jack

    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 04:29:34 PM EST, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Heck, I can make anything including gearsets and shafts but no one in their right mind will do it because of the costs involved. Hewland Mk 9 gears sets cost $325 each at this point, times four or five is not cheap. When a dog box brakes it's 2-4K for repairs and parts. A Jerico is fine if you need the extra weight and are prepared to lose some acceleration because of the added moment of inertia weight of the giant gears and shafts.
If someone can guarantee an order for say 30 sets I would be glad to do a quote for the TR4/6 close ratio set up, I would also need a good set for engineering purposes.
I guess my point is if guys are whining about paying $85 each for steel synchro's to fix the stock gearbox issues, I think they would come unglued having to pony up for the close ratio gear sets. If there is a stock of these gears sets somewhere please tell me and I will buy them all at the current price. Realistically they should cost 3 times or more than what they sell for today.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 01:36:41 PM MST, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 When that happens we can look for alternatives.? You can get a Jerico 4
speed racing transmission that will handle 4 times the power a TR box
(forever), and given gearset costs, it's not a bad investment.? You can even
get it with close to the ratios of TR CR box.? Not vintage but if we want to
race into the future gearboxes are going to be a major problem.? Already
lots of Toyota 5 speeds quietly on the grid.? The vast majority of parts
made for racing today are far superior to what was available 60 years ago,
just look at the technological leaps in racing oil.? So as a sport we adapt
or stop racing.? Kas's moto was "Never be beaten by equipment".? The vast
majority of that equipment no longer exists, so when my last two TR
gearboxes are done it will be time for a change.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 8:23 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

Interesting conversation, if the manufacturer of the close ratio gearsets is
truly done and can't be convinced to make more, this could have pretty big
implications to a lot of racers here.

Does anybody know the ratios of the dogbox gearset?

Henry Frye

On 2023-01-16 15:34, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Maybe Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON 
> via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 16:05
> An: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Betreff: [Fot] Close ratio gears
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the
> TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on 
> backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock 
> date further out.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Greg Thompson
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 15:25:40 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 22:25:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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 Rick I couldn't have said it better, all this gearbox nonsense will just run off the low-buck racers or they'll be running in the back of the pack... costs of these options are out of reach for many.
Another question that I have is how many are running the CR sets?I would think that 30 sets would likely be doable.
Glen Efinger
 
 
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Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2023 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

Heck, I can make anything including gearsets and shafts but no one in their right mind will do it because of the costs involved. Hewland Mk 9 gears sets cost $325 each at this point, times four or five is not cheap. When a dog box brakes it's 2-4K for repairs and parts. A Jerico is fine if you need the extra weight and are prepared to lose some acceleration because of the added moment of inertia weight of the giant gears and shafts.
If someone can guarantee an order for say 30 sets I would be glad to do a quote for the TR4/6 close ratio set up, I would also need a good set for engineering purposes.
I guess my point is if guys are whining about paying $85 each for steel synchro's to fix the stock gearbox issues, I think they would come unglued having to pony up for the close ratio gear sets. If there is a stock of these gears sets somewhere please tell me and I will buy them all at the current price. Realistically they should cost 3 times or more than what they sell for today.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 01:36:41 PM MST, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 When that happens we can look for alternatives.? You can get a Jerico 4
speed racing transmission that will handle 4 times the power a TR box
(forever), and given gearset costs, it's not a bad investment.? You can even
get it with close to the ratios of TR CR box.? Not vintage but if we want to
race into the future gearboxes are going to be a major problem.? Already
lots of Toyota 5 speeds quietly on the grid.? The vast majority of parts
made for racing today are far superior to what was available 60 years ago,
just look at the technological leaps in racing oil.? So as a sport we adapt
or stop racing.? Kas's moto was "Never be beaten by equipment".? The vast
majority of that equipment no longer exists, so when my last two TR
gearboxes are done it will be time for a change.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 8:23 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

Interesting conversation, if the manufacturer of the close ratio gearsets is
truly done and can't be convinced to make more, this could have pretty big
implications to a lot of racers here.

Does anybody know the ratios of the dogbox gearset?

Henry Frye

On 2023-01-16 15:34, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Maybe Bastuck has a dogbox gearset on the shelf?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von GREGORY THOMPSON 
> via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Januar 2023 16:05
> An: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Betreff: [Fot] Close ratio gears
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a set of close ratio gears laying around for the
> TR4-6 gearbox they would be willing to part with?? They have been on 
> backorder at all the suppliers and they keep moving their in-stock 
> date further out.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Greg Thompson
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Jan 17 20:21:59 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 19:21:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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I'm using one.
Wouldn't mind having another one.  Should have bought one when they were available at $600 or what ever it was.  
It's difficult to understand the reasoning behind not letting a more modern and available option to be used.  Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.  Had I known that to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look at or question my gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I may have gone that route in the first place.  I don't think these items make the car or driver go much faster and spoil the competition.  Some are using these already anyhow.  I've heard the argument many times, that basically the original option with over-drive had 7 gears.  Why wouldn't any 5-speed be allowed.  Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com.  I like to add .com. to anything.  And, I'mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com.  That sort of thing...com.   Gdamn$85sycrorings.com.  Hehehe.com.
Dave H.

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From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 11:24:57 2023
From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 13:24:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
Message-ID: <CAHAH3R4Ain95-Rz-j=HSE_9swL2fBopEFBEcutOow_QY_Ofg7A@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,
Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing?
OR is there a better solution?
I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best?
Apologies for not searching the archives first.
Cheers
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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 16:05:16 2023
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 00:05:16 +0100
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
In-Reply-To: <CAHAH3R4Ain95-Rz-j=HSE_9swL2fBopEFBEcutOow_QY_Ofg7A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAG9YvYNCbrogY048tJeMm+9vZceLUcORnwoUwE6JQNvRk-ApKA@mail.gmail.com>

Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for
spits and GT6
Brian

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici,
> Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing?
> OR is there a better solution?
> I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best?
> Apologies for not searching the archives first.
> Cheers
> --
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Jan 18 22:01:11 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 00:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 07:21:40 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:21:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
In-Reply-To: <AEA57A14-D1B0-48B1-876A-A193033D97E9@me.com>
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 <AEA57A14-D1B0-48B1-876A-A193033D97E9@me.com>
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The axles that Chequered Flag Racing sells were designed by FOT racer Russ
Moore. Russ was selling his car last year, I don't know if he's still on
the maillist. The axles have a Summers Bros part number and use modified
corvair axle ends as well and some modes to the up rights to work. Great
design, Russ sent me a parts list (attached) and did the machine work, I
ordered the axles from Summers Bros and put them together.

[image: PA270016.JPG]
[image: PA270017.JPG]

mike h


On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:17 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with
> corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and
> outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the
> uprights.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for
> spits and GT6
> Brian
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Amici,
>> Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing?
>> OR is there a better solution?
>> I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best?
>> Apologies for not searching the archives first.
>> Cheers
>> --
>> *Mike Deweerd*
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Jan 19 08:49:07 2023
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 10:49:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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References: <CAG9YvYNCbrogY048tJeMm+9vZceLUcORnwoUwE6JQNvRk-ApKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <AEA57A14-D1B0-48B1-876A-A193033D97E9@me.com>
 <CAO0FjVYWEroXKr3sKRUSC_MzhVs1EDb5Qf=bsFhgAG8gTvZ1eg@mail.gmail.com>
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Well, there?s a bit more to the story??????.

Summers Brothers had a superior design of these axles back in the day and also used high quality materials. I had excellent results with this combination and installed them on probably six race Spitfires and I believe one GT-6. It did require some custom machine work to adapt it to the application which I did in my machine shop.

As with many products and suppliers; Summers Bros was sold multiple times over the years with staff and owners changing a number of times. 

I am unfamiliar with the axles currently being sold by Joe Siam/Checkerboard so I can?t really speak to them.. I certainly recommend anyone interested in any component intended for the extreme stresses of racing get input from other racers or mechanics who have experience with similar products. After multiple years of competition the Summers Bros axles always tested perfectly with no signs of wear or cracks. 

Yes; those are the docs and parts list I forwarded to a number of folks(right down to the coffee mug stain).

I retired from racing this year after 35 years and have the car listed for sale on a website Henry Frye put together for ?Triumphs for Sale?. I?m glad to answer any questions. (and yes, it has Summers Bros axles in it)

 

 

Russ Moore (Spitfire #49)

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:22 AM
To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

 

The axles that Chequered Flag Racing sells were designed by FOT racer Russ Moore. Russ was selling his car last year, I don't know if he's still on the maillist. The axles have a Summers Bros part number and use modified corvair axle ends as well and some modes to the up rights to work. Great design, Russ sent me a parts list (attached) and did the machine work, I ordered the axles from Summers Bros and put them together.

 





 

mike h

 

 

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:17 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6

Brian

 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Amici,

Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing? 

OR is there a better solution? 

I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best? 

Apologies for not searching the archives first.


Cheers

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From mark at dieselperformanceparts.com  Thu Jan 19 10:01:06 2023
From: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com (Mark Craig - Diesel Performance Parts)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:01:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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Can you elaborate on this:

Henry Frye put together for ?Triumphs for Sale?.

I googled it but came up empty??

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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:49 AM
To: 'Mike Harmuth' <ofracer at gmail.com>; 'Scott Janzen' <sjanzen at me.com>
Cc: 'Amici Triumphi' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

Well, there?s a bit more to the story??????.
Summers Brothers had a superior design of these axles back in the day and also used high quality materials. I had excellent results with this combination and installed them on probably six race Spitfires and I believe one GT-6. It did require some custom machine work to adapt it to the application which I did in my machine shop.
As with many products and suppliers; Summers Bros was sold multiple times over the years with staff and owners changing a number of times.
I am unfamiliar with the axles currently being sold by Joe Siam/Checkerboard so I can?t really speak to them.. I certainly recommend anyone interested in any component intended for the extreme stresses of racing get input from other racers or mechanics who have experience with similar products. After multiple years of competition the Summers Bros axles always tested perfectly with no signs of wear or cracks.
Yes; those are the docs and parts list I forwarded to a number of folks(right down to the coffee mug stain).
I retired from racing this year after 35 years and have the car listed for sale on a website Henry Frye put together for ?Triumphs for Sale?. I?m glad to answer any questions. (and yes, it has Summers Bros axles in it)


Russ Moore (Spitfire #49)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:22 AM
To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com<mailto:sjanzen at me.com>>
Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

The axles that Chequered Flag Racing sells were designed by FOT racer Russ Moore. Russ was selling his car last year, I don't know if he's still on the maillist. The axles have a Summers Bros part number and use modified corvair axle ends as well and some modes to the up rights to work. Great design, Russ sent me a parts list (attached) and did the machine work, I ordered the axles from Summers Bros and put them together.

[cid:image008.jpg at 01D92BF5.5396E480]
[cid:image009.jpg at 01D92BF5.5396E480]

mike h


On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:17 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6
Brian

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Amici,
Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing?
OR is there a better solution?
I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best?
Apologies for not searching the archives first.
Cheers
--
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Jan 19 12:26:09 2023
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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 Amici,

The question is which model GT6 you have, Mk1 and MK3 cars have swing axles and the GT6+ has fully articulated axles.? The axles shown in the pics posted are for early and late cars..?? Might suggest looking at the CV conversion axles being offered by Canley Classics in England for the GT6+??? I myself have been running axles made by Snyder Racing & Machine, Michigan ( since have closed their doors ).
My 2 cents,Bob T'64 Spit GT? autocrosser
 
 
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To: Brian Schirano <bschirano1 at gmail.com>
Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2023 12:01 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

I think what Joe has is only for swing axles. ?My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6Brian
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Amici,Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing??OR is there a better solution??I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best??Apologies for not searching the archives?first.
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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu Jan 19 14:15:50 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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to answer Mike?s earlier question, I recall, maybe 5-6 years ago, seeing Jim Dolan at Summit Point in the carousel in either the Group 44 GT6 or the Kastner GT6, and one of his rear wheels going past him.  I think he had five laps on the Rimmer or Canley assembly and the hub sheared off.  Fortunately a low speed part of the track.  Not sure if that was a one-off, and he subsequently went on to run them without trouble.  Perhaps the Dolans can chime in as to what they run on their numerous GT6s and what this failure was.

On Jan 19, 2023, at 2:26 PM, Bob Totten via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Amici,

The question is which model GT6 you have, Mk1 and MK3 cars have swing axles and the GT6+ has fully articulated axles.  The axles shown in the pics posted are for early and late cars..   Might suggest looking at the CV conversion axles being offered by Canley Classics in England for the GT6+??  I myself have been running axles made by Snyder Racing & Machine, Michigan ( since have closed their doors ).

My 2 cents,
Bob T
'64 Spit GT  autocrosser


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Brian Schirano <bschirano1 at gmail.com>
Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2023 12:01 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6
> Brian
> 
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Amici,
> Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing? 
> OR is there a better solution? 
> I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best? 
> Apologies for not searching the archives first.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jan 19 14:25:49 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:25:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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Some of the Mk3's also have the rotoflex suspension.  I used the frame from one as the basis for Tiny Tim.

Joe

> On January 19, 2023 at 2:26 PM Bob Totten via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>     Amici,
> 
>     The question is which model GT6 you have, Mk1 and MK3 cars have swing axles and the GT6+ has fully articulated axles.  The axles shown in the pics posted are for early and late cars..   Might suggest looking at the CV conversion axles being offered by Canley Classics in England for the GT6+??  I myself have been running axles made by Snyder Racing & Machine, Michigan ( since have closed their doors ).
> 
>     My 2 cents,
>     Bob T
>     '64 Spit GT  autocrosser
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>     To: Brian Schirano <bschirano1 at gmail.com>
>     Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
>     Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2023 12:01 am
>     Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
> 
>     I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.
> 
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>         > > On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     > 
>         > >         Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6
> >         Brian
> > 
> >         On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
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> >             > > >             Amici,
> > >             Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing? 
> > >             OR is there a better solution? 
> > >             I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best? 
> > >             Apologies for not searching the archives first.
> > >             Cheers
> > >             --
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Jan 19 14:26:40 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:26:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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Here's Russ Moore's Spitfire and motorhome posting:

https://triumphforsale.com/spitracer/

Not much to elaborate on here, Mark. Being a technology guy, I simply 
bought the domain name triumphforsale.com and put a website up. When it 
is time to sell something, this gives me a place to advertise it online. 
I've been helping out friends by posting their Triumphs and Triumph 
stuff like this for some time now.

Henry


On 2023-01-19 12:01, Mark Craig - Diesel Performance Parts via Fot 
wrote:
> Can you elaborate on this:
> 
> Henry Frye put together for ?Triumphs for Sale?.


From bdolan1776 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 15:51:24 2023
From: bdolan1776 at gmail.com (Brian Dolan)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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I'm not the equipment expert...Dad is.

My recollection is that the Group 44 car ran Datsun parts mated to Triumph
stub axles.
Our consistent issue was either differentials blowing, or stub axles
shearing.
50 year old metal isn't up to the stresses of modern rubber and engine
tuning capabilities, at least not for long.

We tried doing a subaru set up on one of the cars, it wasn't
successful initially. Development is ongoing. Always seeking safety and
reliability.

Brian

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:42 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> to answer Mike?s earlier question, I recall, maybe 5-6 years ago, seeing
> Jim Dolan at Summit Point in the carousel in either the Group 44 GT6 or the
> Kastner GT6, and one of his rear wheels going past him.  I think he had
> five laps on the Rimmer or Canley assembly and the hub sheared off.
> Fortunately a low speed part of the track.  Not sure if that was a one-off,
> and he subsequently went on to run them without trouble.  Perhaps the
> Dolans can chime in as to what they run on their numerous GT6s and what
> this failure was.
>
> On Jan 19, 2023, at 2:26 PM, Bob Totten via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Amici,
>
> The question is which model GT6 you have, Mk1 and MK3 cars have swing
> axles and the GT6+ has fully articulated axles.  The axles shown in the
> pics posted are for early and late cars..   Might suggest looking at the CV
> conversion axles being offered by Canley Classics in England for the
> GT6+??  I myself have been running axles made by Snyder Racing & Machine,
> Michigan ( since have closed their doors ).
>
> My 2 cents,
> Bob T
> '64 Spit GT  autocrosser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: Brian Schirano <bschirano1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2023 12:01 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
>
> I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with
> corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and
> outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the
> uprights.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for
> spits and GT6
> Brian
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Amici,
> Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing?
> OR is there a better solution?
> I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best?
> Apologies for not searching the archives first.
> Cheers
> --
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Thu Jan 19 16:14:33 2023
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 18:14:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles(now Spitfire for sale)
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Mark below is the URL for the Spitfire sale listing. If I misunderstood your request please clarify and I will reply appropriately.

Also on the same site are pics of the Tullius TR-6 when Bill Warner and Bob brought it up to Mosport a few years ago as well as the listing of the tow vehicle for sale.

Many thanks to Henry for his help putting the info up.

 

https://triumphforsale.com/spitracer/

 

Russ Moore

607-539-7442

 

From: Mark Craig - Diesel Performance Parts <mark at dieselperformanceparts.com> 
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 12:01 PM
To: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com; 'Mike Harmuth' <ofracer at gmail.com>; 'Scott Janzen' <sjanzen at me.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

 

Can you elaborate on this:

 

Henry Frye put together for ?Triumphs for Sale?.

 

I googled it but came up empty??

 




 

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Email:  <mailto:mark at dieselperformanceparts.com> mark at dieselperformanceparts.com

 

 

 

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:49 AM
To: 'Mike Harmuth' <ofracer at gmail.com <mailto:ofracer at gmail.com> >; 'Scott Janzen' <sjanzen at me.com <mailto:sjanzen at me.com> >
Cc: 'Amici Triumphi' <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

 

Well, there?s a bit more to the story??????.

Summers Brothers had a superior design of these axles back in the day and also used high quality materials. I had excellent results with this combination and installed them on probably six race Spitfires and I believe one GT-6. It did require some custom machine work to adapt it to the application which I did in my machine shop.

As with many products and suppliers; Summers Bros was sold multiple times over the years with staff and owners changing a number of times. 

I am unfamiliar with the axles currently being sold by Joe Siam/Checkerboard so I can?t really speak to them.. I certainly recommend anyone interested in any component intended for the extreme stresses of racing get input from other racers or mechanics who have experience with similar products. After multiple years of competition the Summers Bros axles always tested perfectly with no signs of wear or cracks. 

Yes; those are the docs and parts list I forwarded to a number of folks(right down to the coffee mug stain).

I retired from racing this year after 35 years and have the car listed for sale on a website Henry Frye put together for ?Triumphs for Sale?. I?m glad to answer any questions. (and yes, it has Summers Bros axles in it)

 

 

Russ Moore (Spitfire #49)

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:22 AM
To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com <mailto:sjanzen at me.com> >
Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

 

The axles that Chequered Flag Racing sells were designed by FOT racer Russ Moore. Russ was selling his car last year, I don't know if he's still on the maillist. The axles have a Summers Bros part number and use modified corvair axle ends as well and some modes to the up rights to work. Great design, Russ sent me a parts list (attached) and did the machine work, I ordered the axles from Summers Bros and put them together.

 





 

mike h

 

 

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:17 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6

Brian

 

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Amici,

Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing? 

OR is there a better solution? 

I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best? 

Apologies for not searching the archives first.


Cheers

-- 

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From jsukey at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 18:29:50 2023
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 20:29:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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My race GT6 mk3 (originally rotoflex) is running Datsun Zcar rear hubs and
halfshafts.  I think this was the a good solution years ago when the Datsun
parts were plentiful and cheap.  I've started looking for a more modern
solution that uses parts from this century.... don't have it all figured
out yet.

My other mk3 gt6 is a later swing axle/ swing spring setup.  It has the
corvair axle conversion as used on Spitfires.  Those parts aren't very
plentiful anymore either.

Jason

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 1:46 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici,
> Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing?
> OR is there a better solution?
> I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best?
> Apologies for not searching the archives first.
> Cheers
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From gt6steve at aol.com  Thu Jan 19 20:09:24 2023
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 03:09:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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The ones I built were Group 44 style Datsun rotating bits. Never failed


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On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 5:06 PM, Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I'm not the equipment expert...Dad is.?
My recollection is that the Group 44 car ran Datsun?parts mated to Triumph stub axles.?Our consistent issue was either differentials blowing, or stub axles shearing.?50 year old metal isn't up to the stresses of modern rubber and engine tuning capabilities, at least not for long.?
We tried doing a subaru set up on one of the cars, it wasn't successful?initially. Development is ongoing. Always seeking safety and reliability.?
Brian
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:42 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

to answer Mike?s earlier question, I recall, maybe 5-6 years ago, seeing Jim Dolan at Summit Point in the carousel in either the Group 44 GT6 or the Kastner GT6, and one of his rear wheels going past him.? I think he had five laps on the Rimmer or Canley assembly and the hub sheared off.? Fortunately a low speed part of the track.? Not sure if that was a one-off, and he subsequently went on to run them without trouble.? Perhaps the Dolans can chime in as to what they run on their numerous GT6s and what this failure was.

On Jan 19, 2023, at 2:26 PM, Bob Totten via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 Amici,

The question is which model GT6 you have, Mk1 and MK3 cars have swing axles and the GT6+ has fully articulated axles.? The axles shown in the pics posted are for early and late cars..?? Might suggest looking at the CV conversion axles being offered by Canley Classics in England for the GT6+??? I myself have been running axles made by Snyder Racing & Machine, Michigan ( since have closed their doors ).
My 2 cents,Bob T'64 Spit GT? autocrosser
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Brian Schirano <bschirano1 at gmail.com>
Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2023 12:01 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.? My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6Brian
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Amici,Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing??OR is there a better solution??I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best??Apologies for not searching the archives?first.
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From whitedog72 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 20 08:28:10 2023
From: whitedog72 at hotmail.com (f s)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 15:28:10 +0000
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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I can confirm Steves design is great. I have them on my Gt6. Handled north of 170hp and slicks no problem.
Wish my engine would have been as reliable......



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From: gt6steve--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 1/19/23 10:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

The ones I built were Group 44 style Datsun rotating bits. Never failed


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On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 5:06 PM, Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I'm not the equipment expert...Dad is.

My recollection is that the Group 44 car ran Datsun parts mated to Triumph stub axles.
Our consistent issue was either differentials blowing, or stub axles shearing.
50 year old metal isn't up to the stresses of modern rubber and engine tuning capabilities, at least not for long.

We tried doing a subaru set up on one of the cars, it wasn't successful initially. Development is ongoing. Always seeking safety and reliability.

Brian

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:42 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
to answer Mike?s earlier question, I recall, maybe 5-6 years ago, seeing Jim Dolan at Summit Point in the carousel in either the Group 44 GT6 or the Kastner GT6, and one of his rear wheels going past him.  I think he had five laps on the Rimmer or Canley assembly and the hub sheared off.  Fortunately a low speed part of the track.  Not sure if that was a one-off, and he subsequently went on to run them without trouble.  Perhaps the Dolans can chime in as to what they run on their numerous GT6s and what this failure was.

On Jan 19, 2023, at 2:26 PM, Bob Totten via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Amici,

The question is which model GT6 you have, Mk1 and MK3 cars have swing axles and the GT6+ has fully articulated axles.  The axles shown in the pics posted are for early and late cars..   Might suggest looking at the CV conversion axles being offered by Canley Classics in England for the GT6+??  I myself have been running axles made by Snyder Racing & Machine, Michigan ( since have closed their doors ).

My 2 cents,
Bob T
'64 Spit GT  autocrosser


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
To: Brian Schirano <bschirano1 at gmail.com<mailto:bschirano1 at gmail.com>>
Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2023 12:01 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

?
Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6
Brian

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Amici,
Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing?
OR is there a better solution?
I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best?
Apologies for not searching the archives first.
Cheers
--
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:05:10 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 22:05:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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FWIW when calculating demand, I have bought 5 sets over the years. I?ve sold I few racecars over the years and some has CR sets. The set in my TR4 us the most abused set and us still going strong. It does talk back at times, but they seem to hold up well. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2023, at 9:37 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm using one. 
> Wouldn't mind having another one.  Should have bought one when they were available at $600 or what ever it was.  
> It's difficult to understand the reasoning behind not letting a more modern and available option to be used.  Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.  Had I known that to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look at or question my gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I may have gone that route in the first place.  I don't think these items make the car or driver go much faster and spoil the competition.  Some are using these already anyhow.  I've heard the argument many times, that basically the original option with over-drive had 7 gears.  Why wouldn't any 5-speed be allowed.  Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com.  I like to add .com. to anything.  And, I'mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com.  That sort of thing...com.   Gdamn$85sycrorings.com.  Hehehe.com.
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Jan 18 05:50:10 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 07:50:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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I use them, and have had occasion to replace them once due to clearance issues..

On Jan 17, 2023, at 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I'm using one. 
Wouldn't mind having another one.  Should have bought one when they were available at $600 or what ever it was.  
It's difficult to understand the reasoning behind not letting a more modern and available option to be used.  Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.  Had I known that to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look at or question my gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I may have gone that route in the first place.  I don't think these items make the car or driver go much faster and spoil the competition.  Some are using these already anyhow.  I've heard the argument many times, that basically the original option with over-drive had 7 gears.  Why wouldn't any 5-speed be allowed.  Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com.  I like to add .com. to anything.  And, I'mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com.  That sort of thing...com.   Gdamn$85sycrorings.com.  Hehehe.com.
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From Dave at microworks.net  Fri Jan 20 09:28:02 2023
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My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.  What is a source?

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From jsukey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 10:02:12 2023
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 12:02:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Amici,
        I'm working with a gear manufacturer on another option for close
ratio gear sets for the big TR gearbox.  Initial design is for 2nd/3rd/4th
to be close ratios (similar to what we are used to with the discontinued
close ratio set), but the 1st ratio will be stock.  I suspect few road
racing users are using 1st gear other than to get moving from the grid
(ultra close ratio dog box users excluded).

These will be  a "semi-helical" type gear, they won't be quiet like street
gears.

I don't have any hard numbers yet, the cost will certainly be a bit higher
than the $600 sets we are used to, but a fraction of the cost of converting
to a dog box.

If things work out, I'll have a sample set in my racecar to test this
summer.

I'll keep FOT posted.

Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC



On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:27 AM Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> FWIW when calculating demand, I have bought 5 sets over the years. I?ve
> sold I few racecars over the years and some has CR sets. The set in my TR4
> us the most abused set and us still going strong. It does talk back at
> times, but they seem to hold up well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 9:37 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> I'm using one.
> Wouldn't mind having another one.  Should have bought one when they were
> available at $600 or what ever it was.
> It's difficult to understand the reasoning behind not letting a more
> modern and available option to be used.  Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.
> Had I known that to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look
> at or question my gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I
> may have gone that route in the first place.  I don't think these items
> make the car or driver go much faster and spoil the competition.  Some are
> using these already anyhow.  I've heard the argument many times, that
> basically the original option with over-drive had 7 gears.  Why wouldn't
> any 5-speed be allowed.  Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com.  I like to add
> .com. to anything.  And, I'mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com.  That sort
> of thing...com.   Gdamn$85sycrorings.com.  Hehehe.com.
> Dave H.
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 10:22:57 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 12:22:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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I have a close ratio set from a TR7 in a Spitfire 3 rail box. John at
Quantium makes them up. He has the input shaft cut down and hardened to
match whatever Triumph they're attached to. I'm using a 10 spline version
to fit a 1296 SJ engine but he makes them for GT6 and 1500's as well. Full
syncro, the only downside is, while close ratio rearing, 3rd gear isn't the
optimum range for the torque curve of my engine.
Rock solid, the only problem I had was when the diff chipped a tooth. It
locked up at speed and among other fun stuff twisted the driveshaft, broke
the tailpiece and bent the output shaft. The same gears are still in it, 15
years later.

mike h
[image: P1010697.JPG]
[image: tranny crack.jpg]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:03 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I use them, and have had occasion to replace them once due to clearance
> issues..
>
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I'm using one.
> Wouldn't mind having another one.  Should have bought one when they were
> available at $600 or what ever it was.
> It's difficult to understand the reasoning behind not letting a more
> modern and available option to be used.  Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.
> Had I known that to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look
> at or question my gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I
> may have gone that route in the first place.  I don't think these items
> make the car or driver go much faster and spoil the competition.  Some are
> using these already anyhow.  I've heard the argument many times, that
> basically the original option with over-drive had 7 gears.  Why wouldn't
> any 5-speed be allowed.  Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com.  I like to add
> .com. to anything.  And, I'mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com.  That sort
> of thing...com.   Gdamn$85sycrorings.com.  Hehehe.com.
> Dave H.
>
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Jan 20 10:38:19 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 17:38:19 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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We make them

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.  What is a source?

<http://www.microworks.net/>
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri Jan 20 11:14:12 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:14:12 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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Build your own from parts at Speedway Engineering if you want a truly custom bar that works.  Ken

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Dave Riddle via Fot
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 9:43 AM
To: Dave Riddle via Fot
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars

My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.? What is a source?


Dave Riddle
Business IT Consulting
Office: 480-610-8234
eMail: dave at microworks.net
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Jan 20 11:52:00 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 12:52:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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https://www.goodparts.com/product-category/suspension/

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44


On Fri 20/01/23  8:28 AM , Dave Riddle via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
> My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars. 
> What is a source?
> [1] 
> 
> DAVE RIDDLE
> 
> Business IT Consulting
> 
> Office: 480-610-8234
> 
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> Website: http://www.microworks.net [3]
> 
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> [6] https://www.clio.com/
> [7] https://www.citycommunications.com/
> 
> 


From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 11:53:47 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:53:47 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 12:37:40 2023
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:37:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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I have Speedway Engineering tubular sway bars on my TR4 - the car doesn't
know what "roll" means.

jim
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.  What
> is a source?
>
>
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Fri Jan 20 12:41:16 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:41:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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That's what I was going to suggest as well, but Ken beat me to it.
You have complete control over the sway bar characteristics that
way.

John
?



On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:14:12 -0800, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?

Build your own from parts at Speedway Engineering if you want a truly custom bar that works.? Ken

?

Sent from Mail for Windows

?


From: Dave Riddle via Fot
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 9:43 AM
To: Dave Riddle via Fot
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars


?

My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.? What is a source?

?



Dave Riddle

Business IT Consulting

Office: 480-610-8234

eMail: dave at microworks.net

Website: http://www.microworks.net



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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri Jan 20 13:02:56 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 20:02:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Hi Jason
That's great news! I think you may want to consider making a set of gears with first as a racing gear, I'm assuming 4th is 1:1 right?
In my dog box's I would change gears for every track but did come up with a set ratio's that were a good compromise for someone who didn't want to hassle doing that based on all the track data I collected for the last 25 years.
What guys today are referring to as close ratio are some changes from the factory that may be better than stock but certainly not optimal for racing by any means.
Please see the pdf's below, you can recalculate based on your inputs what work best for you on any gear calculator, I can't remember the name of the one I used but it was free online. I'm always happy to help if you need some other input.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 11:17:35 AM MST, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Amici,? ? ? ? I'm working with a gear manufacturer on another option?for close ratio gear sets for the big TR gearbox.? Initial design is for 2nd/3rd/4th to be close ratios (similar to what we are used to with the discontinued close ratio set), but the 1st ratio will be stock.? I suspect few road racing users?are using 1st gear other than to get moving from the grid (ultra close ratio dog box users excluded).
These will be? a "semi-helical" type gear, they won't be quiet like street gears.
I don't have any hard numbers yet, the cost will certainly be a bit higher than the $600 sets we are used to, but a fraction of the cost of converting to a dog box.
If things work out, I'll have a sample set in my racecar to test this summer.
I'll keep FOT posted.??
Jason SukeyJS Performance Motoring, LLC


On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:27 AM Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

FWIW when calculating demand, I have bought 5 sets over the years. I?ve sold I few racecars over the years and some has CR sets. The set in my TR4 us the most abused set and us still going strong. It does talk back at times, but they seem to hold up well.?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2023, at 9:37 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?  I'm using one. 
   Wouldn't mind having another one.? Should have bought one when they were available at $600 or what ever it was.??   It's difficult to understand the reasoning behind not letting a more modern and available option to be used.? Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.? Had I known that to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look at or question my gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I may have gone that route in the first place.? I don't think these items make the car or driver go much faster and spoil the competition.? Some are using these already anyhow.? I've heard the argument many times, that basically the original option with over-drive had 7 gears.? Why wouldn't any 5-speed be allowed.? Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com.? I like to add .com. to anything.? And, I'mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com.? That sort of thing...com.? ?Gdamn$85sycrorings.com.? Hehehe.com.   Dave H.  
       
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jan 20 13:08:43 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 20:08:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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 Here's another source, I've used many ADDCO bars over the years, they're down here in south Fla.NFIGlen Efinger

https://www.addco.net/ADDCO
 
 
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 13:29:25 2023
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 15:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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Rick,
       Thanks for the reply.  Yep, I've put way too many hours into gear
calculations/thrust plots/road speed in each gear etc to get to this point
and backing it all into existing TR gearbox bits to determine what's
possible.
Yes, 4th remains 1:1, due to gearbox design.  If you map out the existing
close ratio set we are discussing here, there's still quite a big torque
drop off between gears, at least with the torque curves I'm used to.  Some
small changes to the ratios should make a very nice improvement.

By leaving 1st gear as is, it allows me to (hopefully) keep the cost within
a reasonable distance of the TT2210 gearset that we've recently lost supply
of. If I were to make changes to 1st gear ratio, that changes the price
point significantly!
Added bonus if you are a lazy heathen like me- nice and easy to drive the
car onto the trailer at the end of the weekend without hurting the clutch :)

I see my option as an improved alternative for the more typical vintage
racer who's happy using 2nd/3rd/4th and not changing gearbox
ratio's between races, and with your new synchro's should give renewed life
to the ole TR gearbox in racing.

The racers who wish to have 1st gear options will be better served with a
dog box or some other gearbox conversion, in my opinion.

Jason



On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 3:03 PM Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:

> Hi Jason
>
> That's great news! I think you may want to consider making a set of gears
> with first as a racing gear, I'm assuming 4th is 1:1 right?
>
> In my dog box's I would change gears for every track but did come up with
> a set ratio's that were a good compromise for someone who didn't want to
> hassle doing that based on all the track data I collected for the last 25
> years.
>
> What guys today are referring to as close ratio are some changes from the
> factory that may be better than stock but certainly not optimal for racing
> by any means.
>
> Please see the pdf's below, you can recalculate based on your inputs what
> work best for you on any gear calculator, I can't remember the name of the
> one I used but it was free online. I'm always happy to help if you need
> some other input.
>
> Rick Parent
>
> "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of
> consequences*"
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 11:17:35 AM MST, Jason Sukey via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Amici,
>         I'm working with a gear manufacturer on another option for close
> ratio gear sets for the big TR gearbox.  Initial design is for 2nd/3rd/4th
> to be close ratios (similar to what we are used to with the discontinued
> close ratio set), but the 1st ratio will be stock.  I suspect few road
> racing users are using 1st gear other than to get moving from the grid
> (ultra close ratio dog box users excluded).
>
> These will be  a "semi-helical" type gear, they won't be quiet like street
> gears.
>
> I don't have any hard numbers yet, the cost will certainly be a bit higher
> than the $600 sets we are used to, but a fraction of the cost of converting
> to a dog box.
>
> If things work out, I'll have a sample set in my racecar to test this
> summer.
>
> I'll keep FOT posted.
>
> Jason Sukey
> JS Performance Motoring, LLC
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:27 AM Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> FWIW when calculating demand, I have bought 5 sets over the years. I?ve
> sold I few racecars over the years and some has CR sets. The set in my TR4
> us the most abused set and us still going strong. It does talk back at
> times, but they seem to hold up well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 9:37 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> I'm using one.
> Wouldn't mind having another one.  Should have bought one when they were
> available at $600 or what ever it was.
> It's difficult to understand the reasoning behind not letting a more
> modern and available option to be used.  Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.
> Had I known that to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look
> at or question my gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I
> may have gone that route in the first place.  I don't think these items
> make the car or driver go much faster and spoil the competition.  Some are
> using these already anyhow.  I've heard the argument many times, that
> basically the original option with over-drive had 7 gears.  Why wouldn't
> any 5-speed be allowed.  Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com.  I like to add
> .com. to anything.  And, I'mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com.  That sort
> of thing...com.   Gdamn$85sycrorings.com.  Hehehe.com.
> Dave H.
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 20 13:54:17 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 20:54:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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 I second this.? I just ordered parts to build a custom bar for my Miata after doing one for another Miata.? The only issue is that they won't bend the sway bar arms for you.? I had a local machine shop with a press brake bend them for me. JoeB
    On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 02:40:15 PM EST, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Build your own from parts at Speedway Engineering if you want a truly custom bar that works.? Ken

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jan 20 14:11:47 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 21:11:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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<<  my dad . . . was already very uncomfortable with me driving a car ?That should only be used in parades.?   >>

And, once again, I am reminded of how fortunate I was to have Jerry Barr as my dad.

Scott (B.)

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio gears

When I was 16,  I was backing my TR4A into a parking space at my high school and I was jolted to a stop.  I was quite confused as I was surely still a few feet away from the car parked behind me!  I got out to look.  ?Nope, nothing there!?

So I pulled forward a little and tried again.  Bang! I was brought to a stop again!

I was 16 and knew nothing about broken gears locking up in a differential, but I instinctively put it together in my mind and knew that was the only possibility!

I limped it home very slowly without incident.  I found a used IRS differential and switch them out.  Then I opened up the old one and there it was, a big broken tooth rolling around the bottom and scars on the case where it had wedged.

Your images remind me how lucky I was that it didn?t happen at speed.  And so glad that my dad was never aware of the whole affair and what could have happened, as he was already very uncomfortable with me driving a car ?That should only be used in parades.? (They were like Model A?s to him, even though the car was only 11 years old in 1978!)

Thanks for sharing.

?Justin


On Jan 20, 2023, at 10:39 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
I have a close ratio set from a TR7 in a Spitfire 3 rail box. John at Quantium makes them up. He has the input shaft cut down and hardened to match whatever Triumph they're attached to. I'm using a 10 spline version to fit a 1296 SJ engine but he makes them for GT6 and 1500's as well. Full syncro, the only downside is, while close ratio rearing, 3rd gear isn't the optimum range for the torque curve of my engine.
Rock solid, the only problem I had was when the diff chipped a tooth. It locked up at speed and among other fun stuff twisted the driveshaft, broke the tailpiece and bent the output shaft. The same gears are still in it, 15 years later.

mike h
<P1010697.JPG>

<tranny crack.jpg>


On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:03 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
I use them, and have had occasion to replace them once due to clearance issues..

On Jan 17, 2023, at 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I'm using one.
Wouldn't mind having another one.  Should have bought one when they were available at $600 or what ever it was.
It's difficult to understand the reasoning behind not letting a more modern and available option to be used.  Toyota, Miata, T5 or what ever.  Had I known that to date, absolutely no tech inspector would ever even look at or question my gear box or if I was using rack and pinion steering, I may have gone that route in the first place.  I don't think these items make the car or driver go much faster and spoil the competition.  Some are using these already anyhow.  I've heard the argument many times, that basically the original option with over-drive had 7 gears.  Why wouldn't any 5-speed be allowed.  Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com<http://Thegridsaregettingsmaller.com>.  I like to add .com. to anything.  And, I'mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com<http://mnotsleepingverywellthesedays.com>.  That sort of thing...com.   Gdamn$85sycrorings.com<http://85sycrorings.com>.  Hehehe.com<http://Hehehe.com>.
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 15:46:53 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:46:53 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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A few years back Greg Solow had a run of 7/8 bars made to fit TR3. I 
purchased one but since I couldn't just swap my existing bar using my 
old mounts? decided not to use it. So I do have one of Greg's bars for a 
TR3 with its fittings surplus to my needs.

TeriAnn

On 1/20/23 9:38 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote:
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>> ?
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>> My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.? 
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Jan 20 19:09:46 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 20:09:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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And the rear bar is adjustable.
Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44

On Fri 20/01/23 10:52 AM , Charly via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
> https://www.goodparts.com/product-category/suspension/
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> On Fri 20/01/23  8:28 AM , Dave Riddle via Fot fot at autox.
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Jan 20 19:11:35 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 20:11:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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And the rear bar is adjustable.
Charly Mitchel
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> 
On Fri 20/01/23 10:52 AM , Charly via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
> https://www.goodparts.com/product-category/suspension/
> Charly Mitchel
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On Fri 20/01/23 11:37 AM , "J.C. Hassall via Fot" fot at autox.team.net sent:
> I have Speedway Engineering tubular sway bars on my TR4 - the car
> doesn't know what "roll" means.
> jim
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM Dave Riddle via Fot  wrote:
> My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway
> bars.? What is a source?
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jan 20 19:25:54 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 18:25:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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A TR4-6 bar is too wide for the TR3 frame.  I bought mine from Greg Solow as well.  It is made by AddCo.  It is made to fit the TR2-3 and has a bend on each end to reach out further on the lower arms than other similar bar setups and clears the tires at full lock.  AddCo makes the bars to Greg's specifications.  He might still have a couple in stock.  As TeriAnn stated, it is a 7'8" bar.  
The Richard Good TR6 bar kit looks great as you might expect, and is very reasonably priced, but it won't work on a TR2-3.   
Dave H. 

>     On 01/20/2023 2:46 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     A few years back Greg Solow had a run of 7/8 bars made to fit TR3. I purchased one but since I couldn't just swap my existing bar using my old mounts  decided not to use it. So I do have one of Greg's bars for a TR3 with its fittings surplus to my needs.
> 
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> 
>     On 1/20/23 9:38 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote:
> 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 20:06:55 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 19:06:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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On 1/20/23 6:25 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote:
> A TR4-6 bar is too wide for the TR3 frame.? I bought mine from Greg 
> Solow as well.? It is made by AddCo.? It is made to fit the TR2-3 and 
> has a bend on each end to reach out further on the lower arms than 
> other similar bar setups and clears the tires at full lock.? AddCo 
> makes the bars to Greg's specifications.? He might still have a couple 
> in stock.? As TeriAnn stated, it is a 7'8" bar.
> The Richard Good TR6 bar kit looks great as you might expect, and is 
> very reasonably priced, but it won't work on a TR2-3.
> Dave H.

I'll let mine go for what I paid for it.

I decided I probably wouldn't notice any difference from the bar I 
already have so decided not to change over to something that would 
require a whole new set of holes.

TeriAnn

>
>> On 01/20/2023 2:46 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> A few years back Greg Solow had a run of 7/8 bars made to fit TR3. I 
>> purchased one but since I couldn't just swap my existing bar using my 
>> old mounts decided not to use it. So I do have one of Greg's bars for 
>> a TR3 with its fittings surplus to my needs.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>> On 1/20/23 9:38 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote:
>>> We make them
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot 
>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway 
>>>> bars.? What is a source?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> *Dave Riddle*
>>>>
>>>> Business IT Consulting
>>>>
>>>> Office: 480-610-8234
>>>>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jan 20 20:30:10 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 19:30:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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Oops.  I hope you all know that the bar thickness I mentioned could not possibly be 7'8".  That would be much much thicker than is needed for a TR3.  It might work just fine on a TR6 though.  
DH

>     On 01/20/2023 7:06 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     On 1/20/23 6:25 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote:
> 
>         > >         A TR4-6 bar is too wide for the TR3 frame.  I bought mine from Greg Solow as well.  It is made by AddCo.  It is made to fit the TR2-3 and has a bend on each end to reach out further on the lower arms than other similar bar setups and clears the tires at full lock.  AddCo makes the bars to Greg's specifications.  He might still have a couple in stock.  As TeriAnn stated, it is a 7'8" bar.  
> >         The Richard Good TR6 bar kit looks great as you might expect, and is very reasonably priced, but it won't work on a TR2-3.   
> >         Dave H.
> > 
> >     > 
>     I'll let mine go for what I paid for it.
> 
>     I decided I probably wouldn't notice any difference from the bar I already have so decided not to change over to something that would require a whole new set of holes.
> 
>     TeriAnn
> 
>         > > 
> > 
> >             > > >             On 01/20/2023 2:46 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> mailto:fot at autox.team.net wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             A few years back Greg Solow had a run of 7/8 bars made to fit TR3. I purchased one but since I couldn't just swap my existing bar using my old mounts  decided not to use it. So I do have one of Greg's bars for a TR3 with its fittings surplus to my needs.
> > > 
> > >             TeriAnn
> > > 
> > >             On 1/20/23 9:38 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > We make them
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> > > >                     > > > > > On Jan 20, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> mailto:fot at autox.team.net wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > 
> > > > >                     My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.  What is a source?
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From fmccjr at aol.com  Fri Jan 20 20:50:15 2023
From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 03:50:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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This is the car that when one stood on the side nerf bar and jumped with all his mite, moved like a block of Granite?Sheesh, your idea of body roll is a little different than mine, Dave!

On another subject (and because I haven?t figured out how to do a ?dry? post), my motor got a bit ?fried? at?the K Cup in Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I?m seeking advice on a good, high quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet crank, Carillo rods, forged pistons, etc.?
Any suggestions? I?m not an engineer, just a musician, and I don?t need to beat Henry Frye! (Well, not right away??)
Thanks,?Rick McCurdy


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My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.? What is a source?

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From Dave at microworks.net  Fri Jan 20 21:07:21 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 21:07:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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No, not the Baja TR3.  My TR3

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From: fmccjr at aol.com [mailto:fmccjr at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 8:50 PM
To: Dave Riddle; Dave Riddle via Fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars

This is the car that when one stood on the side nerf bar and jumped with all his mite, moved like a block of Granite?
Sheesh, your idea of body roll is a little different than mine, Dave!


On another subject (and because I haven?t figured out how to do a ?dry? post), my motor got a bit ?fried? at the K Cup in Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I?m seeking advice on a good, high quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet crank, Carillo rods, forged pistons, etc.

Any suggestions? I?m not an engineer, just a musician, and I don?t need to beat Henry Frye! (Well, not right away?&#128513;)

Thanks,
Rick McCurdy


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On Friday, January 20, 2023, 12:43 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.  What is a source?



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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 21:28:06 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 20:28:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Close ratio gears
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Jan 21 04:57:02 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 06:57:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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Rick,

Needing to beat the guys at the pointy end of the pack is what racing is 
all about, right?

If your engine has the billet bottom end you describe, you can safely 
run pretty much any cam you desire. Plenty of options out there, from 
mild to wild. You are going to get a bunch of opinions out of this 
thread!

First data point for you, the majority of the front running 4 cylinder 
TR's in the east run the old Gillanders #24. It's a beast, makes power 
up to and beyond 7 grand. You let the revs drop below 4 grand and it is 
game over for that lap! I can tell you multiple Kastner Cup winners had 
that cam in their car when they took home the Cup.

Henry

Rick McCurdy wrote:
> 
> On another subject (and because I haven?t figured out how to do a
> ?dry? post), my motor got a bit ?fried? at the K Cup in
> Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I?m seeking advice on a good, high
> quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet crank, Carillo rods, forged
> pistons, etc.
> 
> Any suggestions? I?m not an engineer, just a musician, and I don?t
> need to beat Henry Frye! (Well, not right away??)
> 
> Thanks,


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 07:03:40 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 06:03:40 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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On 1/20/23 7:30 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote:
> Oops.? I hope you all know that the bar thickness I mentioned could 
> not possibly be 7'8". That would be much much thicker than is needed 
> for a TR3.? It might work just fine on a TR6 though.
> DH

Just went out and measured the bar. It is indeed 7/8 dia. The bars were 
manufactured by ADDCO? per Greg Solow's specs. I have the standard ADDCO 
bar and at time? of purchase assumed I could used the mounting holes I 
already had for mounting the bar. I just didn't want to drill more holes 
in my suspension and decided what I had was good enough.

TeriAnn

>> On 01/20/2023 7:06 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/20/23 6:25 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote:
>>> A TR4-6 bar is too wide for the TR3 frame.? I bought mine from Greg 
>>> Solow as well.? It is made by AddCo.? It is made to fit the TR2-3 
>>> and has a bend on each end to reach out further on the lower arms 
>>> than other similar bar setups and clears the tires at full lock.? 
>>> AddCo makes the bars to Greg's specifications.? He might still have 
>>> a couple in stock.? As TeriAnn stated, it is a 7'8" bar.
>>> The Richard Good TR6 bar kit looks great as you might expect, and is 
>>> very reasonably priced, but it won't work on a TR2-3.
>>> Dave H.
>>
>> I'll let mine go for what I paid for it.
>>
>> I decided I probably wouldn't notice any difference from the bar I 
>> already have so decided not to change over to something that would 
>> require a whole new set of holes.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>>>
>>>> On 01/20/2023 2:46 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot 
>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few years back Greg Solow had a run of 7/8 bars made to fit TR3. 
>>>> I purchased one but since I couldn't just swap my existing bar 
>>>> using my old mounts? decided not to use it. So I do have one of 
>>>> Greg's bars for a TR3 with its fittings surplus to my needs.
>>>>
>>>> TeriAnn
>>>>
>>>> On 1/20/23 9:38 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote:
>>>>> We make them
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot 
>>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway 
>>>>>> bars.? What is a source?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Dave Riddle*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Office: 480-610-8234
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 21 09:44:01 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:44:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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 Rick, I second what Henry said about the #24 cam.? My rev limiter is set at 7300 and it pulls right up to that.? I don't want to push past that, since I have cracked a Moldex crank.??
Since this thread is about sway bars, I have a 1" solid bar that has been on the car for 30+ years.? Replacing it with a hollow bar with Speedway parts has been on my to do list.??JoeB
    On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 11:44:46 PM EST, fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 This is the car that when one stood on the side nerf bar and jumped with all his mite, moved like a block of Granite?Sheesh, your idea of body roll is a little different than mine, Dave!

On another subject (and because I haven?t figured out how to do a ?dry? post), my motor got a bit ?fried? at?the K Cup in Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I?m seeking advice on a good, high quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet crank, Carillo rods, forged pistons, etc.?
Any suggestions? I?m not an engineer, just a musician, and I don?t need to beat Henry Frye! (Well, not right away??)
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From tony.sheach at live.co.uk  Sat Jan 21 10:27:29 2023
From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:27:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Billet Valve Covers
Message-ID: <DU0P190MB182852D6537F5AEE12A3B128C8CA9@DU0P190MB1828.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi all

I?ve had another batch of my billet alloy valve covers made if anyone wants one? Pm me off list or email me at tony.sheach at live.co.uk 

These are really top quality machined from a billet high quality material, no leaks or twisting. 3mm viton O ring gasket seal to the head, viton o ring sealed threaded oil cap and fixing pedestals, AN10 breathers (or blanks) both sides. No leaks even at full Rev pressures, as I use on my own rally car.

If anyone wanted to take a batch and sell in the USA I can ship a max of 12, with all fittings. 

Regards
Tony 

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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Jan 21 10:53:20 2023
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:53:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sway bars and C/R gears
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 ? Interesting discussions.? Sway bars - here is a link to our Sway Bar 
rate & handling chart.? Data is based on stock bar mounting locations 
but the rate changes are what is important - 
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/swaybarrateschart.html.? There are 
some issues with some of the rear bar mountings offered by some 
suppliers.? You will see TR6 rear bar mounted? by drilling holes in 
frame and using U-bolts.? Maybe OK when it was new but not 40+ year old 
frame. We mount our rear bar by "clamping the mounting brackets" to the 
frame.? Much better mount, less strain on frame and can easily be moved 
fore/aft to change bar rate.? Picture below.
Rear Anti Roll Bar Kit - TR4 - RF4145
CR gears - several things that need to be addressed.? What is cam rev 
range - where does it start to make produce usable power? If you can't 
keep the engine in this power band you are not going to have peak 
performance.? What rear end ratio?? Multiple ratios will give better 
performance than 1 ratio no matter what the gearbox does. For example, 
there are 5 usable diff ratios (3.27, 3.63, 3.89, 4.1, 4.55) that will 
give better lap times by circuit - 4.55 at Blackhawk/Waterford will be 
much quicker than a 3.27.? TR3 - 6 (3.45, 3.7, 4.1) is another example.? 
Then add in a 2nd set of tires that are smaller or larger diameter for 
additional gear ratio and you may find that 3rd & 4th are useful with no 
other changes. (btw - a Muncie M21 C/R can be bolted up to? the TR's by 
making an adapter plate to mount to bellhousing - bulletproof. We found 
we were faster than many in IMSA GTU race at Road Atlanta - lost the 
brakes 1/2 way through the race in our ex-Group 44 GT6 and had only the 
gearbox to slow down. Finished mid-pack out of 25 GTU cars). Ted

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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 21 11:04:43 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:04:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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 I used a 1 1/8" tubular bar in the front, splined on each end for the aluminum arms.? Less bending and less weight than a solid bent bar.? Check with any speed shop, especially ones that work on Sprint cars.? They use a lot of these bars.? Didn't need a bar in the rear.
JackEP #11

    On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 02:15:58 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 We make them

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

My car has way to much body roll so I want to beef up the sway bars.? What is a source?
 
 ?
 

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From rick.parent at att.net  Sat Jan 21 11:44:40 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 18:44:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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Hi Henry
(DISCLAIMER) I am not an expert on this subject but what I do know I am glad to share.
I know this subject can be controversial just because there are so many opposing opinions. Let me start by saying I have no interest in fighting over whose opinion is right or wrong mainly because an opinion is not science or fact based quantifiable data. I am however more than willing to have a fruitful conversation that helps every one increase their knowledge base on this subject.
Camshafts along with many (too many, haha) other high performance or racing items have been my passion for over 45 years and I have spent countless dollars and hours investigating this so called black art called cam design. I have asked some of the best cam designers in the world about what I need in any particular motor and reached a point where some started saying " I don't know the answer to that question", others blew me off by saying that won't work with no explanation why. When I was right around 40 years old I took on the attitude screw it, I'm going to do it anyhow. I can truthfully say most things I tried in fact did not work but some things actually did.?
Moving forward there are 2 quotes I am reminded of that I think are applicable here, the first is; " It's easier to convince someone of a lie that convince them they have been lied to" and the second is "Everything in the universe can be explained with math".
In a general sense Ed Iskendarion, Harvey Crane, Dema Elgin and many others were way ahead of their time and did their best to apply some math for smoothing purposes and trial and error to build cams that would make power and not beat the valve train to death. Over the years cam companies have amassed thousands of lobe profiles and that combined with a ton of dyno run data from engine builders is how they make their recommendations for todays customers so the question is can they get you close? I think so depending on what engine you are working with, Chevy's and Fords, you have a really good chance. Other off brand or non mainstream engines are basically what someone has developed on their own through trial and error like Kas. As a side note, many NASCAR engine shops have 55 gallon barrels full of trial and error camshafts headed to the scrap yard.
The worlds best cam designer to date in my opinion would be a guy you never heard of named Dick Jones. Dick had developed the math by proving it over decades of testing and has 4 Indy wins to his credit among many other wins in racing. Dicks son Rick Jones has take the math a step further by refining it and building a software program that will make you look like a hero right out of the box.
Today, there is a way to have the perfect camshaft for your specific combination of parts. The perfect cam may or may not make more max hp than what you have currently depending on how good your combination of parts are. My motors have made a couple more hp on the top but tons more on the bottom and mid range which is why I have been accused of cheating, the cars really accelerate of the corners which is how you win races.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND????
In simple terms, a combination of engine parts is the demand side and the camshaft acts as the supply side. X engine specs demand X supply to make X HP at X RPM's, the cam design software looks at these parameters and mathematically generates a profile providing the supply the your combination of parts demand. The specifics are a little hard to get your head around and that's why I offered to help with cam designs.
Most race engine camshafts are too large in my experience, that's why the TQ range is so tight or small (peaky). Enzo once said, HP sells cars and TQ wins races. Example - ideally we want a really wide TQ band say 4500-8000 for example. If the engine makes peak HP at say 7500rpm and still is making power at 8000 your combo of parts are good. If the motor makes peak HP at 7500 and drops off a cliff at 7600 your parts are not capable of getting to 8000, its not the camshafts fault generally speaking.
You can get the software here and its stupid cheap at the moment.?https://induction-logic.com/?
I thinks that's enough to get the ball rolling don't you, haha.
Questions / comments??


Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 05:10:09 AM MST, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rick,

Needing to beat the guys at the pointy end of the pack is what racing is 
all about, right?

If your engine has the billet bottom end you describe, you can safely 
run pretty much any cam you desire. Plenty of options out there, from 
mild to wild. You are going to get a bunch of opinions out of this 
thread!

First data point for you, the majority of the front running 4 cylinder 
TR's in the east run the old Gillanders #24. It's a beast, makes power 
up to and beyond 7 grand. You let the revs drop below 4 grand and it is 
game over for that lap! I can tell you multiple Kastner Cup winners had 
that cam in their car when they took home the Cup.

Henry

Rick McCurdy wrote:
> 
> On another subject (and because I haven?t figured out how to do a
> ?dry? post), my motor got a bit ?fried? at the K Cup in
> Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I?m seeking advice on a good, high
> quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet crank, Carillo rods, forged
> pistons, etc.
> 
> Any suggestions? I?m not an engineer, just a musician, and I don?t
> need to beat Henry Frye! (Well, not right away??)
> 
> Thanks,

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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 12:24:37 2023
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 14:24:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
Message-ID: <CAGctxs4+L4rGJZywh4QjLwZBF8_3zMAsKRqXnSjY6HCZJDUncQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as
well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.

Cheers,
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From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:04:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 21 14:32:01 2023
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 15:32:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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Cheers Rocky!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2023, at 3:12 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Well deserved Rocky!!!
> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2023, at 15:16, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Doug Mitchell
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sat Jan 21 14:39:55 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 21:39:55 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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Thank you, thank you.

It?s an  unbelievable double. [?]

--Rocky

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 3:05 PM
To: Doug Mitchell <dbm.spitfire at gmail.com>
Cc: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Rocky Entriken


Well deserved Rocky!!!


On Jan 21, 2023, at 15:16, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.
Cheers,
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sat Jan 21 14:40:14 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 21:40:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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Thank you, thank you.

It?s an  unbelievable double. [?]

--Rocky


From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell via Fot
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 1:25 PM
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken

I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.
Cheers,
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sat Jan 21 15:02:09 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 22:02:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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Thank you, thank you.

It?s an  unbelievable double. [?]

--Rocky


From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DENNIS WALJE via Fot
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 3:32 PM
To: Bob Bownes -Seiri <bownes at seiri.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Rocky Entriken

Cheers Rocky!
Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 21, 2023, at 3:12 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?

Well deserved Rocky!!!


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?
I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.
Cheers,
Doug Mitchell
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 05:46:04 2023
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 12:46:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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 <9fba268d84dead4b9d3dd1ecf695a20d@tr4racer.com>
 <1483091781.798069.1674326680764@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi FOT,
I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and their relative effects on engine performance with some crude engine modeling software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, building a strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can help it with a stock based crank. ? ?Does anyone happen to have the specs on the Gillander?s #24 they could share? ?Just curious. ?Maybe it?s at the pointy end of the list below?
Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put together, below, and I?d sure be curious what Rick Parent?s software would say I should have done!!! ?
Triumph Cams?


  
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|   
|   |    |

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Triumph Cams
 

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Dave Gott


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, January 21, 2023, 2:11 PM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi Henry
(DISCLAIMER) I am not an expert on this subject but what I do know I am glad to share.
I know this subject can be controversial just because there are so many opposing opinions. Let me start by saying I have no interest in fighting over whose opinion is right or wrong mainly because an opinion is not science or fact based quantifiable data. I am however more than willing to have a fruitful conversation that helps every one increase their knowledge base on this subject.
Camshafts along with many (too many, haha) other high performance or racing items have been my passion for over 45 years and I have spent countless dollars and hours investigating this so called black art called cam design. I have asked some of the best cam designers in the world about what I need in any particular motor and reached a point where some started saying " I don't know the answer to that question", others blew me off by saying that won't work with no explanation why. When I was right around 40 years old I took on the attitude screw it, I'm going to do it anyhow. I can truthfully say most things I tried in fact did not work but some things actually did.?
Moving forward there are 2 quotes I am reminded of that I think are applicable here, the first is; " It's easier to convince someone of a lie that convince them they have been lied to" and the second is "Everything in the universe can be explained with math".
In a general sense Ed Iskendarion, Harvey Crane, Dema Elgin and many others were way ahead of their time and did their best to apply some math for smoothing purposes and trial and error to build cams that would make power and not beat the valve train to death. Over the years cam companies have amassed thousands of lobe profiles and that combined with a ton of dyno run data from engine builders is how they make their recommendations for todays customers so the question is can they get you close? I think so depending on what engine you are working with, Chevy's and Fords, you have a really good chance. Other off brand or non mainstream engines are basically what someone has developed on their own through trial and error like Kas. As a side note, many NASCAR engine shops have 55 gallon barrels full of trial and error camshafts headed to the scrap yard.
The worlds best cam designer to date in my opinion would be a guy you never heard of named Dick Jones. Dick had developed the math by proving it over decades of testing and has 4 Indy wins to his credit among many other wins in racing. Dicks son Rick Jones has take the math a step further by refining it and building a software program that will make you look like a hero right out of the box.
Today, there is a way to have the perfect camshaft for your specific combination of parts. The perfect cam may or may not make more max hp than what you have currently depending on how good your combination of parts are. My motors have made a couple more hp on the top but tons more on the bottom and mid range which is why I have been accused of cheating, the cars really accelerate of the corners which is how you win races.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND????
In simple terms, a combination of engine parts is the demand side and the camshaft acts as the supply side. X engine specs demand X supply to make X HP at X RPM's, the cam design software looks at these parameters and mathematically generates a profile providing the supply the your combination of parts demand. The specifics are a little hard to get your head around and that's why I offered to help with cam designs.
Most race engine camshafts are too large in my experience, that's why the TQ range is so tight or small (peaky). Enzo once said, HP sells cars and TQ wins races. Example - ideally we want a really wide TQ band say 4500-8000 for example. If the engine makes peak HP at say 7500rpm and still is making power at 8000 your combo of parts are good. If the motor makes peak HP at 7500 and drops off a cliff at 7600 your parts are not capable of getting to 8000, its not the camshafts fault generally speaking.
You can get the software here and its stupid cheap at the moment.?https://induction-logic.com/?
I thinks that's enough to get the ball rolling don't you, haha.
Questions / comments??


Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 05:10:09 AM MST, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rick,

Needing to beat the guys at the pointy end of the pack is what racing is 
all about, right?

If your engine has the billet bottom end you describe, you can safely 
run pretty much any cam you desire. Plenty of options out there, from 
mild to wild. You are going to get a bunch of opinions out of this 
thread!

First data point for you, the majority of the front running 4 cylinder 
TR's in the east run the old Gillanders #24. It's a beast, makes power 
up to and beyond 7 grand. You let the revs drop below 4 grand and it is 
game over for that lap! I can tell you multiple Kastner Cup winners had 
that cam in their car when they took home the Cup.

Henry

Rick McCurdy wrote:
> 
> On another subject (and because I haven?t figured out how to do a
> ?dry? post), my motor got a bit ?fried? at the K Cup in
> Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I?m seeking advice on a good, high
> quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet crank, Carillo rods, forged
> pistons, etc.
> 
> Any suggestions? I?m not an engineer, just a musician, and I don?t
> need to beat Henry Frye! (Well, not right away??)
> 
> Thanks,

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From rick.parent at att.net  Sun Jan 22 10:02:30 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:02:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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Let's do an experiment,? if some one out there has good engine measurements including flow numbers, I can load them into the software and post screen shots of the findings along with explanations of the numbers. I will even email that lucky person the intake and exhaust s96 files for free so they can get that cam ground.

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:46 AM, David Gott<triumphsix at yahoo.com> wrote:   Hi FOT,
I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and their relative effects on engine performance with some crude engine modeling software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, building a strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can help it with a stock based crank. ? ?Does anyone happen to have the specs on the Gillander?s #24 they could share? ?Just curious. ?Maybe it?s at the pointy end of the list below?
Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put together, below, and I?d sure be curious what Rick Parent?s software would say I should have done!!! ?
Triumph Cams?


  
|  
|  
|  
|   |    |

  |

  |
|  
|   |  
Triumph Cams
 

  |   |

  |

  |

  

Dave Gott


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, January 21, 2023, 2:11 PM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi Henry
(DISCLAIMER) I am not an expert on this subject but what I do know I am glad to share.
I know this subject can be controversial just because there are so many opposing opinions. Let me start by saying I have no interest in fighting over whose opinion is right or wrong mainly because an opinion is not science or fact based quantifiable data. I am however more than willing to have a fruitful conversation that helps every one increase their knowledge base on this subject.
Camshafts along with many (too many, haha) other high performance or racing items have been my passion for over 45 years and I have spent countless dollars and hours investigating this so called black art called cam design. I have asked some of the best cam designers in the world about what I need in any particular motor and reached a point where some started saying " I don't know the answer to that question", others blew me off by saying that won't work with no explanation why. When I was right around 40 years old I took on the attitude screw it, I'm going to do it anyhow. I can truthfully say most things I tried in fact did not work but some things actually did.?
Moving forward there are 2 quotes I am reminded of that I think are applicable here, the first is; " It's easier to convince someone of a lie that convince them they have been lied to" and the second is "Everything in the universe can be explained with math".
In a general sense Ed Iskendarion, Harvey Crane, Dema Elgin and many others were way ahead of their time and did their best to apply some math for smoothing purposes and trial and error to build cams that would make power and not beat the valve train to death. Over the years cam companies have amassed thousands of lobe profiles and that combined with a ton of dyno run data from engine builders is how they make their recommendations for todays customers so the question is can they get you close? I think so depending on what engine you are working with, Chevy's and Fords, you have a really good chance. Other off brand or non mainstream engines are basically what someone has developed on their own through trial and error like Kas. As a side note, many NASCAR engine shops have 55 gallon barrels full of trial and error camshafts headed to the scrap yard.
The worlds best cam designer to date in my opinion would be a guy you never heard of named Dick Jones. Dick had developed the math by proving it over decades of testing and has 4 Indy wins to his credit among many other wins in racing. Dicks son Rick Jones has take the math a step further by refining it and building a software program that will make you look like a hero right out of the box.
Today, there is a way to have the perfect camshaft for your specific combination of parts. The perfect cam may or may not make more max hp than what you have currently depending on how good your combination of parts are. My motors have made a couple more hp on the top but tons more on the bottom and mid range which is why I have been accused of cheating, the cars really accelerate of the corners which is how you win races.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND????
In simple terms, a combination of engine parts is the demand side and the camshaft acts as the supply side. X engine specs demand X supply to make X HP at X RPM's, the cam design software looks at these parameters and mathematically generates a profile providing the supply the your combination of parts demand. The specifics are a little hard to get your head around and that's why I offered to help with cam designs.
Most race engine camshafts are too large in my experience, that's why the TQ range is so tight or small (peaky). Enzo once said, HP sells cars and TQ wins races. Example - ideally we want a really wide TQ band say 4500-8000 for example. If the engine makes peak HP at say 7500rpm and still is making power at 8000 your combo of parts are good. If the motor makes peak HP at 7500 and drops off a cliff at 7600 your parts are not capable of getting to 8000, its not the camshafts fault generally speaking.
You can get the software here and its stupid cheap at the moment.?https://induction-logic.com/?
I thinks that's enough to get the ball rolling don't you, haha.
Questions / comments??


Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 05:10:09 AM MST, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rick,

Needing to beat the guys at the pointy end of the pack is what racing is 
all about, right?

If your engine has the billet bottom end you describe, you can safely 
run pretty much any cam you desire. Plenty of options out there, from 
mild to wild. You are going to get a bunch of opinions out of this 
thread!

First data point for you, the majority of the front running 4 cylinder 
TR's in the east run the old Gillanders #24. It's a beast, makes power 
up to and beyond 7 grand. You let the revs drop below 4 grand and it is 
game over for that lap! I can tell you multiple Kastner Cup winners had 
that cam in their car when they took home the Cup.

Henry

Rick McCurdy wrote:
> 
> On another subject (and because I haven?t figured out how to do a
> ?dry? post), my motor got a bit ?fried? at the K Cup in
> Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I?m seeking advice on a good, high
> quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet crank, Carillo rods, forged
> pistons, etc.
> 
> Any suggestions? I?m not an engineer, just a musician, and I don?t
> need to beat Henry Frye! (Well, not right away??)
> 
> Thanks,

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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Sun Jan 22 10:09:40 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 12:09:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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Very cool, congratulations Rocky!

John
?



On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 14:24:37 -0500, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.
?
Cheers,
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 10:28:25 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 17:28:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
References: <1380099995.991046.1674408506248.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.? The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.? These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.? The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.? See attached picture.
These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.? I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.? Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?? Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?? Thanks.
Jack Wheeler
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun Jan 22 10:30:36 2023
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:30:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
In-Reply-To: <1681050315.254591.1674391564068@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1685@mainserver>
 <192403702.625834.1674273016055@mail.yahoo.com>
 <9fba268d84dead4b9d3dd1ecf695a20d@tr4racer.com>
 <1483091781.798069.1674326680764@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1681050315.254591.1674391564068@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <df77402b-9ffa-4593-9265-c2183eaf40f4@pobox.com>

The numbers for Erson/BFE #24 mentioned by David and Henry is the last 
one in my list and has the longest duration. Like Henry said, if you 
drop below 4,000 your dead.

I got interested in the history of cam design. According the Speedy Bill 
Smith (Speedway Motors) the real innovators after WWII were Ed Winfield 
and Collins of Harmon-Collins (see the book "Souping the Stock Engine). 
He said their designs were heavily copied by the others. I think Kas's 
cams were designed by someone from Harmon-Collins.

I certainly don't have the experience of many others on this list, but 
I'll contribute a few comments on what Rick has said. Cams is a subject 
that is mysterious (Rick said "black art") to many, so it is easy for 
them to be fooled. There is nothing mysterious about it. I agree that 
most people put to much emphasis on peak HP rather than the entire range 
you will operate in.
 ?- Larry


On 1/22/2023 6:46 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote:
> Hi FOT,
>
> I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and their relative 
> effects on engine performance with some crude engine modeling 
> software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, building a 
> strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can help 
> it with a stock based crank. ? ?Does anyone happen to have the specs 
> on the Gillander?s #24 they could share? ?Just curious. ?Maybe it?s at 
> the pointy end of the list below?
>
> Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put together, below, 
> and I?d sure be curious what Rick Parent?s software would say I should 
> have done!!!
>
> Triumph Cams <https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html>
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jan 22 11:45:17 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 12:45:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
In-Reply-To: <1380099995.991046.1674408506248@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1380099995.991046.1674408506248.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <efe1742d-69b0-46f2-1e70-5b8993644ae7@tonydrews.com>

I've been able to use a small thin screwdriver to work them in. Put the 
end in the wrist pin hole and angle the blade to compress the ring.? 
Hard to describe.? I go as far as I can by hand and then use the 
screwdriver to get more leverage.? There's got to be a special purpose 
tool too.

- Tony Drews

On 1/22/2023 11:28 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:
> I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) 
> pins in the pistons.? The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines 
> and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the 
> ends.? These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so 
> you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston 
> bores.
>
> I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought 
> new pistons.? The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have 
> the holes in the ends.? See attached picture.
>
> These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.? 
> I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I 
> have.? Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to 
> install these?? Or any suggestions about how I should go about 
> installing them?? Thanks.
>
> Jack Wheeler
>
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From rick.parent at att.net  Sun Jan 22 11:47:50 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 18:47:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC1685@mainserver>
 <192403702.625834.1674273016055@mail.yahoo.com>
 <9fba268d84dead4b9d3dd1ecf695a20d@tr4racer.com>
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I just looked at the cam list wow, somebody has spent some time amassing all that data, very cool.
The BFE 24 cam at the bottom of the page is a monster according to the seat duration alone. In my experience a 327 seat duration is for a super high revving engine like +10,000rpm and probably starts pulling around 7-8000rpm, its way to large for any Triumph motor. Off the top of my head a 6000rpm motor should have a seat duration of around 280ish. Too large of a cam is way worse that too small of a cam. Too large a cam will not pull at lower rpms, too small a cam will stop making power at a certain point but will generally keep making that same power all the way to the end of your parts combo will allow it to go before the power drops off.
Always keep in mind, time is a critical factor for the inlet charge, the higher the rpm's the more duration or time is necessary to charge the cylinder.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 11:29:54 AM MST, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  The numbers for Erson/BFE #24 mentioned by David and Henry is the last one in my list and has the longest duration. Like Henry said, if you drop below 4,000 your dead.
 
 I got interested in the history of cam design. According the Speedy Bill Smith (Speedway Motors) the real innovators after WWII were Ed Winfield and Collins of Harmon-Collins (see the book "Souping the Stock Engine). He said their designs were heavily copied by the others. I think Kas's cams were designed by someone from Harmon-Collins.
 
 I certainly don't have the experience of many others on this list, but I'll contribute a few comments on what Rick has said. Cams is a subject that is mysterious (Rick said "black art") to many, so it is easy for them to be fooled. There is nothing mysterious about it. I agree that most people put to much emphasis on peak HP rather than the entire range you will operate in.
 ?- Larry 
 
 
 On 1/22/2023 6:46 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote:
 
 
 Hi FOT, 
  I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and their relative effects on engine performance with some crude engine modeling software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, building a strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can help it with a stock based crank. ? ?Does anyone happen to have the specs on the Gillander?s #24 they could share? ?Just curious. ?Maybe it?s at the pointy end of the list below? 
  Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put together, below, and I?d sure be curious what Rick Parent?s software would say I should have done!!! ? 
  Triumph Cams? 
  
 
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From tr4 at wi.rr.com  Sun Jan 22 12:18:56 2023
From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 13:18:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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I have seen a ton of retaining rings in my life but those take the dumb cake.? I would recommend measuring the needed size and order them from McMaster Carr.? Even if you install those the next person will need to bugger up the pistons to get them out!Steve YottSteve Yott
-------- Original message --------From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/22/23  12:18 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Cc: "J.S. Zimmerman" <jzimme10 at gmail.com>, Eva Golding <ken at davebean.com> Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.? The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.? These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.? The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.? See attached picture.These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.? I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.? Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?? Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?? Thanks.Jack Wheeler
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 13:42:10 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 20:42:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
In-Reply-To: <1380099995.991046.1674408506248@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1380099995.991046.1674408506248.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1380099995.991046.1674408506248@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1823235295.304649.1674420130390@mail.yahoo.com>

 Jack,I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't damage the piston or coating.
Hope this helps!Jake
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.? The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.? These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.? The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.? See attached picture.
These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.? I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.? Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?? Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?? Thanks.
Jack Wheeler
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 14:47:23 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:47:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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I would recommend Spirolox if the grooves are wide enough to take them.
Phil Gott


-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; Jack Wheeler <jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com>
Cc: J.S. Zimmerman <jzimme10 at gmail.com>; Eva Golding <ken at davebean.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2023 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons

 Jack,I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't damage the piston or coating.
Hope this helps!Jake
    On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.? The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.? These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.? The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.? See attached picture.
These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.? I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.? Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?? Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?? Thanks.
Jack Wheeler
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 15:10:49 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 22:10:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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 It's likely that you'll find a rounded/radiused-cut groove in the piston to accomodate the round clip, a square-section substitute circlip won't seat properly.A tiny screwdriver & some patience will do the job but yeah they suck!
Glen Efinger 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Yott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Jack Wheeler <jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com>; FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: J.S. Zimmerman <jzimme10 at gmail.com>; Eva Golding <ken at davebean.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2023 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons

I have seen a ton of retaining rings in my life but those take the dumb cake.? I would recommend measuring the needed size and order them from McMaster Carr.? Even if you install those the next person will need to bugger up the pistons to get them out!
Steve Yott


Steve Yott

-------- Original message --------From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/22/23 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net> Cc: "J.S. Zimmerman" <jzimme10 at gmail.com>, Eva Golding <ken at davebean.com> Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons 
I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.? The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.? These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.? The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.? See attached picture.
These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.? I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.? Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?? Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?? Thanks.
Jack Wheeler
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jan 22 15:31:09 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:31:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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I was going to keep out of this one but am not capable of it.? :)

I run Larry's original design cams.? I'm not quite sure who is making 
them now - Ken Knight had some made last go-round.? It's fast but not as 
peaky as the Erson 24 - coming out of a turn at 3000 rpm is fine, 3500 
is better, pulls through 6500 RPM, not sure where it drops off - haven't 
had the courage to rev that high.

Most of the front runners (to my knowledge at least) run the Erson 24.? 
I ran a modified one of those (experimental) and hated that one because 
it was even worse at low RPM than the Erson.

We ran an Isky 666 cam early on and it might be more suitable for a less 
highly stressed engine.? It was tractable and pulled through 6000, not 
sure about higher - I suspect going over 6000 won't be worth it.? With a 
built engine, ported head, all the goodies it's not as fast / powerful 
as the Larry or Erson ones.

The Isky would be easier on the valve train.? Larry's profile requires 
full diameter stock lifters - if you've gone with the GT40 lifters 
sleeved down it'll wipe the cam.? One set of lifters I bought from BPNW 
they had put a chamfer around the edge to break the sharp edge and that 
was enough to wipe a cam too.? It's pretty high lift so you need to have 
your ducks in a row for there not to be spring bind, have the seat 
pressures right, and consider valves and springs a replaceable wear 
item.? I suspect the same is true for the Erson 24 grind as well.? I 
believe there's an Erson 23 grind which is less radical that might be an 
option.

I'm trying to point out possible "off the shelf" items that don't 
require you to send a profile to a cam grinder...

The Erson ones are hopefully still available from Brian Howlett / BFE / 
www.BritishFrameandEngine.com.? Not sure who's making the Larry Young 
design ones now.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 1/22/2023 11:30 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote:
> The numbers for Erson/BFE #24 mentioned by David and Henry is the last 
> one in my list and has the longest duration. Like Henry said, if you 
> drop below 4,000 your dead.
>
> I got interested in the history of cam design. According the Speedy 
> Bill Smith (Speedway Motors) the real innovators after WWII were Ed 
> Winfield and Collins of Harmon-Collins (see the book "Souping the 
> Stock Engine). He said their designs were heavily copied by the 
> others. I think Kas's cams were designed by someone from Harmon-Collins.
>
> I certainly don't have the experience of many others on this list, but 
> I'll contribute a few comments on what Rick has said. Cams is a 
> subject that is mysterious (Rick said "black art") to many, so it is 
> easy for them to be fooled. There is nothing mysterious about it. I 
> agree that most people put to much emphasis on peak HP rather than the 
> entire range you will operate in.
> ?- Larry
>
>
> On 1/22/2023 6:46 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote:
>> Hi FOT,
>>
>> I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and their 
>> relative effects on engine performance with some crude engine 
>> modeling software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, 
>> building a strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if 
>> I can help it with a stock based crank. ? ?Does anyone happen to have 
>> the specs on the Gillander?s #24 they could share? ?Just curious. 
>> ?Maybe it?s at the pointy end of the list below?
>>
>> Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put together, 
>> below, and I?d sure be curious what Rick Parent?s software would say 
>> I should have done!!!
>>
>> Triumph Cams <https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html>
>>
>>
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Jan 22 16:24:10 2023
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 23:24:10 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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The Larry  young DX cam profile is available at Webb Camshaft, Riverside Ca.
I?ve used this profile with a lot of success for multiple clients .

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

I was going to keep out of this one but am not capable of it.  :)

I run Larry's original design cams.  I'm not quite sure who is making them now - Ken Knight had some made last go-round.  It's fast but not as peaky as the Erson 24 - coming out of a turn at 3000 rpm is fine, 3500 is better, pulls through 6500 RPM, not sure where it drops off - haven't had the courage to rev that high.

Most of the front runners (to my knowledge at least) run the Erson 24.  I ran a modified one of those (experimental) and hated that one because it was even worse at low RPM than the Erson.

We ran an Isky 666 cam early on and it might be more suitable for a less highly stressed engine.  It was tractable and pulled through 6000, not sure about higher - I suspect going over 6000 won't be worth it.  With a built engine, ported head, all the goodies it's not as fast / powerful as the Larry or Erson ones.

The Isky would be easier on the valve train.  Larry's profile requires full diameter stock lifters - if you've gone with the GT40 lifters sleeved down it'll wipe the cam.  One set of lifters I bought from BPNW they had put a chamfer around the edge to break the sharp edge and that was enough to wipe a cam too.  It's pretty high lift so you need to have your ducks in a row for there not to be spring bind, have the seat pressures right, and consider valves and springs a replaceable wear item.  I suspect the same is true for the Erson 24 grind as well.  I believe there's an Erson 23 grind which is less radical that might be an option.

I'm trying to point out possible "off the shelf" items that don't require you to send a profile to a cam grinder...

The Erson ones are hopefully still available from Brian Howlett / BFE / www.BritishFrameandEngine.com<http://www.BritishFrameandEngine.com>.  Not sure who's making the Larry Young design ones now.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 1/22/2023 11:30 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote:
The numbers for Erson/BFE #24 mentioned by David and Henry is the last one in my list and has the longest duration. Like Henry said, if you drop below 4,000 your dead.

I got interested in the history of cam design. According the Speedy Bill Smith (Speedway Motors) the real innovators after WWII were Ed Winfield and Collins of Harmon-Collins (see the book "Souping the Stock Engine). He said their designs were heavily copied by the others. I think Kas's cams were designed by someone from Harmon-Collins.

I certainly don't have the experience of many others on this list, but I'll contribute a few comments on what Rick has said. Cams is a subject that is mysterious (Rick said "black art") to many, so it is easy for them to be fooled. There is nothing mysterious about it. I agree that most people put to much emphasis on peak HP rather than the entire range you will operate in.
 - Larry


On 1/22/2023 6:46 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote:
Hi FOT,

I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and their relative effects on engine performance with some crude engine modeling software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, building a strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can help it with a stock based crank.    Does anyone happen to have the specs on the Gillander?s #24 they could share?  Just curious.  Maybe it?s at the pointy end of the list below?

Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put together, below, and I?d sure be curious what Rick Parent?s software would say I should have done!!!

Triumph Cams<https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html>






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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Jan 23 15:36:21 2023
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 22:36:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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What is the Wolf Bernado award?  He's not related to Woolf Barnato is he?

Henry Morrison
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Rocky Entriken

Very cool, congratulations Rocky!

John

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 14:24:37 -0500, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.

Cheers,
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 23 16:28:21 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 23:28:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Snap Ring Installation
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Thanks to all who responded to my query regarding installation of a type of snap ring I had not seen before.? Using bits and pieces of advice from all responses, I was able to get the snap rings installed on all 4 pistons.? The pistons and rods are now installed in the block.? It was not a pretty process, but I got it done.? It seemed to get a little easier with each one.? Thanks again.
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Mon Jan 23 16:37:27 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 23:37:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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I got the Woolf, not the Wolf. ?

--Rocky

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Henry A. Morrison via Fot
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 4:36 PM
To: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com; fot at autox.team.net; R. John Lye <rjl6n at cstone.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Rocky Entriken

What is the Wolf Bernado award?  He's not related to Woolf Barnato is he?

Henry Morrison
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of R. John Lye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Rocky Entriken

Very cool, congratulations Rocky!

John

On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 14:24:37 -0500, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.

Cheers,
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 17:21:53 2023
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 14:21:53 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
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I think its his Spanish cousin.

Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
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> On Jan 23, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> What is the Wolf Bernado award?  He's not related to Woolf Barnato is he?
> 
> Henry Morrison
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of R. John Lye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:09 AM
> To: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com <mailto:dbm.spitfire at gmail.com> <dbm.spitfire at gmail.com <mailto:dbm.spitfire at gmail.com>>; fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rocky Entriken
>  
> Very cool, congratulations Rocky!
> 
> John   
> 
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 14:24:37 -0500, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>  
> I'd like to congratulate Rocky on being elected to the SCCA Hall of Fame as well as being the recipient of the 2023 Wolf Bernado award.
>  
> Cheers,
> Doug Mitchell
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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Tue Jan 24 08:21:48 2023
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 09:21:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Fot] New Member: Tom Reiss
Message-ID: <699856204.1157231.1674573708983@connect.xfinity.com>

Amici-

I am sponsoring Tom Reiss as a new FOT member.  Tom and his friend Mike Gwizdek are finishing up a 69 GT6+ race build that Tom will be driving in the Kastner Cup this summer.  Tom is from Wisconsin and also owns a street - going TR3 and will be a welcome addition to the growing ranks of midwest GT6 racers.  This will be his first year racing and I know FOT will be a great resource for him along the way.  

Please welcome Tom to FOT and wish him good luck as he slides into addiction with the rest of us.... ;)

Brian Garcia
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 24 08:32:25 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 15:32:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New Member: Tom Reiss
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 I'll second!Jake?
    On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 09:25:29 AM CST, Brian Garcia via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
    Amici-   
   I am sponsoring Tom Reiss as a new FOT member.? Tom and his friend Mike Gwizdek are finishing up a 69 GT6+ race build that Tom will be driving in the Kastner Cup this summer.? Tom is from Wisconsin and also owns a street - going TR3 and will be a welcome addition to the growing ranks of midwest GT6 racers.? This will be his first year racing and I know FOT will be a great resource for him along the way.??   
   Please welcome Tom to FOT and wish him good luck as he slides into addiction with the rest of us.... ;)   
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 10:21:02 2023
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 12:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Jan 21 15:57:15 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:57:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
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Mike D.
Good to hear that you are inquiring about the GT6 axles.
This is one of the main development points of any significant GT6. 
Perhaps the most important.
I?d stay away from anything with even the slightest whiff of a swing axle design.
Consider engineering designs for much more powerful cars.
 Smart custom engineering is required. 
Options often  Include parts from:
-Datsun 240-280 style as proven by Steve Smith. 
-TR6?s 
-Corvair 
-Corvette
-Custom made.
People that follow wisdom on this topic, end up with great cars.

Several of the best GT6?s ever built will be available for viewing at Road America this summer at the Kastner Cup. 
You likely won?t find all the answers to this query in a simple internet thread. 
However, most, if not all of your questions can be answered by studying some very successful examples that will be kicking ass on track. The actively racing GT6 guys are doing some cool stuff and will be available to lead you in the right direction. 
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars
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> On Jan 20, 2023, at 10:07 AM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I can confirm Steves design is great. I have them on my Gt6. Handled north of 170hp and slicks no problem.  
> Wish my engine would have been as reliable......
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: gt6steve--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 1/19/23 10:53 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
> 
> The ones I built were Group 44 style Datsun rotating bits. Never failed
> 
> 
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 5:06 PM, Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm not the equipment expert...Dad is. 
> 
> My recollection is that the Group 44 car ran Datsun parts mated to Triumph stub axles. 
> Our consistent issue was either differentials blowing, or stub axles shearing. 
> 50 year old metal isn't up to the stresses of modern rubber and engine tuning capabilities, at least not for long. 
> 
> We tried doing a subaru set up on one of the cars, it wasn't successful initially. Development is ongoing. Always seeking safety and reliability. 
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:42 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> to answer Mike?s earlier question, I recall, maybe 5-6 years ago, seeing Jim Dolan at Summit Point in the carousel in either the Group 44 GT6 or the Kastner GT6, and one of his rear wheels going past him.  I think he had five laps on the Rimmer or Canley assembly and the hub sheared off.  Fortunately a low speed part of the track.  Not sure if that was a one-off, and he subsequently went on to run them without trouble.  Perhaps the Dolans can chime in as to what they run on their numerous GT6s and what this failure was.
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2023, at 2:26 PM, Bob Totten via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Amici,
>> 
>> The question is which model GT6 you have, Mk1 and MK3 cars have swing axles and the GT6+ has fully articulated axles.  The axles shown in the pics posted are for early and late cars..   Might suggest looking at the CV conversion axles being offered by Canley Classics in England for the GT6+??  I myself have been running axles made by Snyder Racing & Machine, Michigan ( since have closed their doors ).
>> 
>> My 2 cents,
>> Bob T
>> '64 Spit GT  autocrosser
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: Brian Schirano <bschirano1 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Amici Triumphi <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2023 12:01 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles
>> 
>> I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6
>> Brian
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Amici,
>> Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing? 
>> OR is there a better solution? 
>> I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best? 
>> Apologies for not searching the archives first.
>> Cheers
>> -- 
>> Mike Deweerd
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Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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From clw2000 at msn.com  Sun Jan 22 13:49:41 2023
From: clw2000 at msn.com (Chuck WATSON)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 20:49:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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Yes, push the side of the ring that is 180 degrees from the opening in with a screwdriver or something small with a notch. Once inserted, rotate into place.

Thanks,

Chuck Watson
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons


I've been able to use a small thin screwdriver to work them in.  Put the end in the wrist pin hole and angle the blade to compress the ring.  Hard to describe.  I go as far as I can by hand and then use the screwdriver to get more leverage.  There's got to be a special purpose tool too.

- Tony Drews

On 1/22/2023 11:28 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:
I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.

I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.

These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?  Thanks.

Jack Wheeler



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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 14:36:32 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 13:36:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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Hi Jack,
I purchased the same style clips from Wiseco for good used 87mm Hepolite pistons when I first built my TR3 engine.  I don't recall having any problems installing them.  But, on a recent tear down, there was no way I was going to get the clips out without damaging the pistons.  Luckily everything was in great condition, so I just kept them on the rods and they'll go back in the engine.  It was even suggested that the rods bearing could be reused as they looked excellent.  However, I did renew the bearings and a new set of rings will be used.  The engine had 19 race weekends on it and over 5,500 miles of street use.  The stock crank was crack checked and polished and same main bearings are going back in.  
Dave H. 

>     On 01/22/2023 12:42 PM Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Jack,
>     I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't damage the piston or coating.
> 
>     Hope this helps!
>     Jake
> 
>     On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
> 
>     I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.
> 
>     These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?  Thanks.
> 
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sun Jan 22 14:58:14 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 21:58:14 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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Jack:  This is the kind of snap ring that Honda used in the two strokes I worked on and I took a small blade screwdriver (about 5mm) and ground `1/2 of the blade to a depth of about the same size which made a hook or sorts. Used it to put them in, like Tony said using hand first, then using the longer  blade to push in place. Taking then out using the longer part of the blade on the ring and the larger part as leverage on the piston.  It didn?t scar the piston if you were patient, but they were not coated.  Like Steve said not the best engineered thing I?ve seen, probably a cost cutting thing from the bean counters.  Yamaha had much better rings, one end of the ring was bent vertical so you could use an ordinary pair of needle nose plyers to get them in and out.

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 1:45 PM
To: Jack Wheeler <jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com>; FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons


I've been able to use a small thin screwdriver to work them in.  Put the end in the wrist pin hole and angle the blade to compress the ring.  Hard to describe.  I go as far as I can by hand and then use the screwdriver to get more leverage.  There's got to be a special purpose tool too.

- Tony Drews
On 1/22/2023 11:28 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote:
I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.

I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.

These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?  Thanks.

Jack Wheeler



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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 17:54:34 2023
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:54:34 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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Steve?what!! These are pretty much standard pin rings, used in all motorcycles and most cars. I rarely saw an engine with snap rings until recently. You put these in by hand?push one end into the grove and roll the ring in. You can check to make sure they are seated by giving them a gentle shove with a flat blade screwdriver. To take them out, get a small screwdriver that fits into the slot at the bottom of the wrist pin hole (now you know what that slot is for), slip the blade under the ring and ease it out. I?ve never had one hit me in the eye, but I had one fly into my mouth once?so keep your mouth closed and wear safety glasses. They should be single use retainers, but mediocre mechanics everywhere reuse them if they took the piston off the conn rod for some reason but aren?t replacing it with a new piston (which comes with them). Best practice calls for positioning the ring so the opening is on top. Acceleration of the piston is vertical (of course) so a sideways opening could allow the ring to close a bit under acceleration and come loose. It probably hasn?t happened in the entire history of engines, but it?s pretty to think about. 

I used to carry a few extras in my mechanics apron when I worked in a shop. If one of the other mechanics had pranked me (a common thing) I'd wait until he was putting the engine back in and drop one on his bench. 

Bill Babcock
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> On Jan 22, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Steve Yott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I have seen a ton of retaining rings in my life but those take the dumb cake.  I would recommend measuring the needed size and order them from McMaster Carr.  Even if you install those the next person will need to bugger up the pistons to get them out!
> 
> Steve Yott
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Yott
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 1/22/23 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: "J.S. Zimmerman" <jzimme10 at gmail.com>, Eva Golding <ken at davebean.com>
> Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
> 
> I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
> 
> I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.
> 
> These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?  Thanks.
> 
> Jack Wheeler
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 20:48:08 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 19:48:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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Yes, the rounded groove for the retaining clip is why I used the round wire clip from Wiseco.  It was one I could find that was the same thickness as the original factory clips.  But this design, without an easy way to grab it, is for pistons that have a recess that allows a tool to get behind the clip just enough to remove it.  
In my case, this will most likely be the last service for these pistons, so damage to them during the next disassembly won't be a problem. 
Dave H.

>     On 01/22/2023 2:10 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     It's likely that you'll find a rounded/radiused-cut groove in the piston to accomodate the round clip, a square-section substitute circlip won't seat properly.
>     A tiny screwdriver & some patience will do the job but yeah they suck!
> 
>     Glen Efinger
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Steve Yott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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>     Subject: Re: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
> 
>     I have seen a ton of retaining rings in my life but those take the dumb cake.  I would recommend measuring the needed size and order them from McMaster Carr.  Even if you install those the next person will need to bugger up the pistons to get them out!
> 
>     Steve Yott
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     Steve Yott
> 
> 
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>     Date: 1/22/23 12:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
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>     Cc: "J.S. Zimmerman" <jzimme10 at gmail.com>, Eva Golding <ken at davebean.com>
>     Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
> 
>     I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
> 
>     I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.
> 
>     These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?  Thanks.
> 
>     Jack Wheeler
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From jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 10:03:11 2023
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Somewhat on topic and related to Corvair hubs.

I have a set of Corvair hubs developed by Marty Sukey for TYR4A thru TR6 along with axles custom made by GoodParts; again for TR4A thru TR6. Trailing arms need modified but can be made to work well.

 

Pricing would be very reasonable to FOT if interested.

 

JVV

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski via Fot
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2023 5:57 PM
To: f s <whitedog72 at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

 

Mike D.

Good to hear that you are inquiring about the GT6 axles.

This is one of the main development points of any significant GT6. 

Perhaps the most important.

I?d stay away from anything with even the slightest whiff of a swing axle design.

Consider engineering designs for much more powerful cars.

 Smart custom engineering is required. 

Options often  Include parts from:

-Datsun 240-280 style as proven by Steve Smith. 

-TR6?s 

-Corvair 

-Corvette

-Custom made.

People that follow wisdom on this topic, end up with great cars.

 

Several of the best GT6?s ever built will be available for viewing at Road America this summer at the Kastner Cup. 

You likely won?t find all the answers to this query in a simple internet thread. 

However, most, if not all of your questions can be answered by studying some very successful examples that will be kicking ass on track. The actively racing GT6 guys are doing some cool stuff and will be available to lead you in the right direction. 

Jason Ostrowski 

Friendly Ghost Racing 

1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars

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On Jan 20, 2023, at 10:07 AM, f s via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

I can confirm Steves design is great. I have them on my Gt6. Handled north of 170hp and slicks no problem.  

Wish my engine would have been as reliable......

 

 

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 

 

 

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Date: 1/19/23 10:53 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com <mailto:bdolan1776 at gmail.com> >, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com <mailto:sjanzen at me.com> > 

Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles 

 

The ones I built were Group 44 style Datsun rotating bits. Never failed


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On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 5:06 PM, Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I'm not the equipment expert...Dad is.  

 

My recollection is that the Group 44 car ran Datsun parts mated to Triumph stub axles. 

Our consistent issue was either differentials blowing, or stub axles shearing. 

50 year old metal isn't up to the stresses of modern rubber and engine tuning capabilities, at least not for long. 

 

We tried doing a subaru set up on one of the cars, it wasn't successful initially. Development is ongoing. Always seeking safety and reliability. 

 

Brian

 

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:42 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

to answer Mike?s earlier question, I recall, maybe 5-6 years ago, seeing Jim Dolan at Summit Point in the carousel in either the Group 44 GT6 or the Kastner GT6, and one of his rear wheels going past him.  I think he had five laps on the Rimmer or Canley assembly and the hub sheared off.  Fortunately a low speed part of the track.  Not sure if that was a one-off, and he subsequently went on to run them without trouble.  Perhaps the Dolans can chime in as to what they run on their numerous GT6s and what this failure was.

 

On Jan 19, 2023, at 2:26 PM, Bob Totten via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

Amici,

 

The question is which model GT6 you have, Mk1 and MK3 cars have swing axles and the GT6+ has fully articulated axles.  The axles shown in the pics posted are for early and late cars..   Might suggest looking at the CV conversion axles being offered by Canley Classics in England for the GT6+??  I myself have been running axles made by Snyder Racing & Machine, Michigan ( since have closed their doors ).

 

My 2 cents,

Bob T

'64 Spit GT  autocrosser

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 rear axles

I think what Joe has is only for swing axles.  My gt6 came to me with corvair hubs and gm bearings , spicer sliding half shafts and inner and outer u joints. It?s been bulletproof, but requires extensive mods to the uprights. 

 

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On Jan 18, 2023, at 6:09 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

Call Joe curry at chequred flag racing. Pretty much bullet proof axels for spits and GT6 

Brian

 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 7:30 PM Michael Deweerd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Amici, 

Are the Rimmers Brothers CV conversion kits suitable for racing? 

OR is there a better solution? 

I've heard of Corvair and even Volkswagen and Subaru, which is best? 

Apologies for not searching the archives first.


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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 24 16:56:32 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 16:56:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New Member: Tom Reiss
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On 1/24/23 8:21 AM, Brian Garcia via Fot wrote:
> Amici-
>
> I am sponsoring Tom Reiss as a new FOT member.


He's on the list.? Welcome aboard!

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 10:20:58 2023
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:20:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Source for beefed up sway bars
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 I would like to correct my posting below.? Had my speed parts suppliers confused.? I get my sway bar parts from Coleman Racing.? They have a variety of parts for custom sway bars.?JoeB
    On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 11:44:01 AM EST, Joe Boruch <jaboruch at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
  Rick, I second what Henry said about the #24 cam.? My rev limiter is set at 7300 and it pulls right up to that.? I don't want to push past that, since I have cracked a Moldex crank.??
Since this thread is about sway bars, I have a 1" solid bar that has been on the car for 30+ years.? Replacing it with a hollow bar with Speedway parts has been on my to do list.??JoeB
    On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 11:44:46 PM EST, fmccjr--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 This is the car that when one stood on the side nerf bar and jumped with all his mite, moved like a block of Granite?Sheesh, your idea of body roll is a little different than mine, Dave!

On another subject (and because I haven?t figured out how to do a ?dry? post), my motor got a bit ?fried? at?the K Cup in Pittsburgh last summer. In short, I?m seeking advice on a good, high quality camshaft for a TR4 motor. Billet crank, Carillo rods, forged pistons, etc.?
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 11:11:41 2023
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 08:11:41 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Snap Rings in Pistons
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Generally pistons have a slot machined into the bottom edge of the piston pin hole that is intended to allow a very small srewdriver to be inserted under the clip. If there isn?t one (as with some motorcycles) you can push an exacto blade under the clip near the open end and lever the clip out. Easier to do than to explain. The clip will then fly to the nether reaches of your workshop under the heaviest bench. 

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> On Jan 22, 2023, at 11:36 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jack, 
> I purchased the same style clips from Wiseco for good used 87mm Hepolite pistons when I first built my TR3 engine.  I don't recall having any problems installing them.  But, on a recent tear down, there was no way I was going to get the clips out without damaging the pistons.  Luckily everything was in great condition, so I just kept them on the rods and they'll go back in the engine.  It was even suggested that the rods bearing could be reused as they looked excellent.  However, I did renew the bearings and a new set of rings will be used.  The engine had 19 race weekends on it and over 5,500 miles of street use.  The stock crank was crack checked and polished and same main bearings are going back in.  
> Dave H. 
>> On 01/22/2023 12:42 PM Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jack,
>> I have these style clips on the Wiseco pistons I've recently purchased for TR3, TR6 and Sprite engines. I didn't have any issue getting them in or out (to quote Tony "don't ask me why I know this"). I put one end in and then just press it in as I push it towards the center. I used a piece of wood dowel with a slot sawn into it to help. A small scribe in the notch worked fine to get them started out and didn't damage the piston or coating.
>> 
>> Hope this helps!
>> Jake
>> 
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 12:00:01 PM CST, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to install the snap rings which hold the wrist (gudgeon?) pins in the pistons.  The snap rings I have used on the TR-3/4 engines and most of the other engines I have rebuilt, have small holes in the ends.  These allow you to insert snap ring pliers into the holes so you can squeeze the snap rings into place in the grooves in the piston bores.
>> 
>> I am assembling a Ford 1600 CC engine for my Morgan and have bought new pistons.  The snap rings that came with these pistons do not have the holes in the ends.  See attached picture.
>> 
>> These snap rings are very stiff and I can't squeeze them in by hand.  I also can't figure out a way to grip them with the snap ring pliers I have.  Does anyone know if there is a special tool I need to use to install these?  Or any suggestions about how I should go about installing them?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Jack Wheeler 
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Wed Jan 25 11:28:04 2023
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 11:28:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting
rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo
rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods. 

Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or
should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?

Thanks,

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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 12:48:06 2023
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 11:48:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Jan 25 14:42:04 2023
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 16:42:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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the carillo rods, at least for the GT6 - same, I think as the Spit and the TR6 - do have these dinky little 1/4? bolts. I?ve never had a failure in action, but did overstretch one because I used ARP lube instead of Carillo lube - the arp lube is slicker.  Those bolts cost about $42 each!  I now use the correct lube, measure them before and after I install and uninstall them, etc.  No issues at 7000 rpm, just about every shift.

On Jan 25, 2023, at 2:48 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Walt,

I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.

Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.

Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods. 
> Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
> Thanks,
> Walter Hollowell
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed Jan 25 14:43:10 2023
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 21:43:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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Walter;
I asked the same question a few years ago for my TR4A. ?I was advised BY FOT that if I went with MaxSpeeding I should have a machine shop do a thorough check and re-machining?as necessary. ?That work would more or less cancel out any of the initial savings. There i also the question of the small end bushing. Carillo uses an alloy that is much more robust than the stock bushing. ?Not sure about MaxSpeeding. ?So, considering how much I put into the rest of the engine, the cost difference was minimal. ?So for a full race engine I went Carillo. ?Carillo?= peace of mind.?
For a street engine MaxSpeeding are likely equal or better than stock, although i recall that the width of the MaxSpeeding big ends was not as wide as the stock rods - very similar to Carillo in that case.
Hope this helps.
Phil Gott#114 TR4A


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I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods. 

Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?

Thanks,

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 14:55:10 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 16:55:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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I agree with Brad's recommendation on the Pauter rods. I went with them on
my Spit after talking to MGA guys. Their motors have more torque than mine
and I didn't come across any reports of rod induced failures.
I also never had a properly prepared Triumph rod fail either but how old
(and stressed) are the newest Spitfire rods now?

mike h

On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 4:31 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Walt,
>
> I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod
> bolt than Carillo.
>
> Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt
> failure?good enough for me.
>
> Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding
> connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering
> Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
>
> Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks
> or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Walter Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 15:16:56 2023
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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Walt,

The Maxpeeding rods are a good budget option as you already know....but as
they are an off the shelf "bolt in" replacement for a stock rod as far as
the critical dimensions, you are somewhat limited to what you can do with
piston design when you use them.

On the other hand, if you are spending the extra budget on the more
expensive rods, (My experiences are with Pauter), it opens your world up to
design them together with a new set of pistons to bring things a bit more
up to date.


Jason Sukey

On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 2:29 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding
> connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering
> Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
>
> Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks
> or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Walter Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Wed Jan 25 15:34:50 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 22:34:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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I had the same experience with Scat rods and went to Manley..No problems after 8 or so years.

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 2:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question

Walt,

I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.

Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.

Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
Thanks,
Walter Hollowell
Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jan 25 15:46:51 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 22:46:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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I?ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.  They have proven very durable for me!

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question

Walt,

I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.

Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.

Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
Thanks,
Walter Hollowell
Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 15:49:17 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 22:49:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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 I have also been using Pauter rods, rather than Carillos, due to cost.? Pauter web site does not list prices.? JoeB
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 04:35:22 PM EST, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Walt,
I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.
Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.
Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.

Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods. 

Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?

Thanks,

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 25 16:29:23 2023
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:29:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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It was just an educated guess that the rod bolt started the chain of events. They were new, proper lube, stretch method used. I was just a whole bunch more comfortable switching to the larger diameter bolts used in Pauter rods. One less worry ?

Marty
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 2:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question

Walt,

I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.

Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.

Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.

Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?

Thanks,

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jan 25 16:34:30 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:34:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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I had the same experience with the dinky little ?? ARP rod bolts in my Carrillo set.  I had a hard time trusting them.  I did measure them for yield each time I used them, but I mostly went by feel while torquing them up.  There were just times when you could feel them stretch the normal amount and some times when you could feel them streeeeeetch a bit more.  I replaced them at that point, regardless of what the measurements said.  Never had one break in use though, while I did have a 5/16ths ARP rod bolt break in a lightened stock rod.

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 3:42 PM
To: Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question

the carillo rods, at least for the GT6 - same, I think as the Spit and the TR6 - do have these dinky little 1/4? bolts. I?ve never had a failure in action, but did overstretch one because I used ARP lube instead of Carillo lube - the arp lube is slicker.  Those bolts cost about $42 each!  I now use the correct lube, measure them before and after I install and uninstall them, etc.  No issues at 7000 rpm, just about every shift.

On Jan 25, 2023, at 2:48 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Walt,

I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.

Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.

Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
Thanks,
Walter Hollowell
Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 18:42:01 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 01:42:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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 Speaking of rods, I have a couple of stock 1296 Spitfire rods, left over from my Spitfire days.? They were magnifluxed.? Does anyone want them for the cost of shipping?? JoeB
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 07:09:47 PM EST, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I agree with Brad's recommendation?on the Pauter?rods. I went with them on my Spit after talking to MGA guys. Their motors have more torque than mine and I didn't come across any reports of rod induced failures.I also never had a properly prepared Triumph rod fail either but how old (and stressed) are the newest Spitfire rods now?
mike h
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 4:31 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Walt,
I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.
Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.
Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.

Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods. 

Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?

Thanks,

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Wed Jan 25 18:55:59 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 01:55:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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Gosh guys, with the almost unlimited selection of racing rods for Ford and Chevy v8 monster engines at reasonable prices, why are you paying and praying for stock  sized replicas?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
I?ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.  They have proven very durable for me!

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question

Walt,

I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.

Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.

Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
Thanks,
Walter Hollowell
Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 25 19:26:51 2023
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 02:26:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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References: <052701d930ea$c4f632d0$4ee29870$@hot-tr6.com>
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 that is what is in my engine
    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 05:36:51 PM PST, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
I?ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.? They have proven very durable for me!


 
Scott (B.)
 
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfBrad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question
 
 ?
 
Walt,
 
 ?
 
I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.
 
 ?
 
Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.
 
 ?
 
Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
 
Brad Eells
 
Sent from my iPhone
 



 

On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 


?
 
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
 
Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
 
Thanks,
 
Walter Hollowell
 
Albuquerque, New Mexico
 
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:38:17 2023
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 21:38:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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I check every rod before use,  no matter the brand.  I've found the
MaxPeeding rods all to be in spec on the big end,  within. 0002" of each
other in a set.   Sometimes the small end needs a tiny bit of hone, but
that's not different with Pauter.

Jason

On Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 6:30 PM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Walter;
>
> I asked the same question a few years ago for my TR4A.  I was advised BY
> FOT that if I went with MaxSpeeding I should have a machine shop do a
> thorough check and re-machining as necessary.  That work would more or less
> cancel out any of the initial savings. There i also the question of the
> small end bushing. Carillo uses an alloy that is much more robust than the
> stock bushing.  Not sure about MaxSpeeding.  So, considering how much I put
> into the rest of the engine, the cost difference was minimal.  So for a
> full race engine I went Carillo.  Carillo = peace of mind.
>
> For a street engine MaxSpeeding are likely equal or better than stock,
> although i recall that the width of the MaxSpeeding big ends was not as
> wide as the stock rods - very similar to Carillo in that case.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Phil Gott
> #114 TR4A
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: 'fot' <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2023 2:47 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
>
> I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding
> connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering
> Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
>
> Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks
> or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Walter Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From dcphotos at icloud.com  Wed Jan 25 20:07:13 2023
From: dcphotos at icloud.com (Don Couch)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 21:07:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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Walter, 

I?d say you tell us. 
If the MaxSpeed rods are working, WHY would you want to spend the extra $$$?
I?ve always wondered about those rods but never wanted to risk a build on them.
If you are happy, why would you want to go Carrillo?

I?m currently running Carrillo rods but if the MaxSpeed rods hold up? let us know, 
Don


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jan 25 20:58:34 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 19:58:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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I can't recall the size of ARP the bolts in the Carrillo rods I have, but they are the larger of the two different ARP sizes, at least 5/16" maybe 3/8", and are reusable if they haven't been over stretched.  Of course, the rods must also be different than those with the 1/4" bolt design.  I have literature from Carrillo, but I double and triple checked the facts of the fasteners before reusing them.  I called Carrillo too.  The rods were used previously to my acquiring them, with the included bolts.  
I was sure glad I didn't have to spend $46 each, or whatever they were at the time, but I'm sure it was something like that, and I made damn sure everything was in good order before moving forward.  
Dave H.  

>     On 01/25/2023 3:34 PM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     I had the same experience with the dinky little ?? ARP rod bolts in my Carrillo set.  I had a hard time trusting them.  I did measure them for yield each time I used them, but I mostly went by feel while torquing them up.  There were just times when you could feel them stretch the normal amount and some times when you could feel them streeeeeetch a bit more.  I replaced them at that point, regardless of what the measurements said.  Never had one break in use though, while I did have a 5/16ths ARP rod bolt break in a lightened stock rod.
> 
> 
>     Scott (B.)
> 
> 
>     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
>     Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 3:42 PM
>     To: Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com>
>     Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question
> 
> 
>     the carillo rods, at least for the GT6 - same, I think as the Spit and the TR6 - do have these dinky little 1/4? bolts. I?ve never had a failure in action, but did overstretch one because I used ARP lube instead of Carillo lube - the arp lube is slicker.  Those bolts cost about $42 each!  I now use the correct lube, measure them before and after I install and uninstall them, etc.  No issues at 7000 rpm, just about every shift.
> 
> 
>     On Jan 25, 2023, at 2:48 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Walt,
> 
>      
> 
>     I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.
> 
>      
> 
>     Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.
> 
>      
> 
>     Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
> 
>     Brad Eells
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
>         > > 
> >         On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > 
> > 
> >         I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods. 
> > 
> >         Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
> > 
> >         Thanks,
> > 
> >         Walter Hollowell
> > 
> >         Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan 25 22:09:34 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:09:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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Walt, I have been using Max Speed rods for about 10 years.  I have never had a rod failure since I've started using them. 
When I first saw them and decided to try them, I asked the FoT what the thought was about them and the general consensus then why are you buying Chinese rods?  
My first set I took to my machine shop and they looked them over and found they were very well balanced, all equal in weight and the only difference was there were to slots to index 
the bearings.  
I have only used stock lightened and balanced rods and the MaxSpeed rods and have nothing else to compare them to.  I probably don't make as much power or rev my motor as high as 
others, I have been using a billet crank I bought with the group from Farndon Industries, about 50 lbs. and only am revving to about 7k rpm, my CR is about 12:1 or less and I use a 
lightened alloy (not aluminum) flywheel, about 12 lbs.  I have not had any rod bolt failures, maybe I'm lucky. I'm also using a Tilton 7 1/2 clutch.
The cam I've used the majority of the time is a D9 grind, mainly because it's friendlier with the fuel injection.  I use the Goodparts header as it's a thing of beauty. The head is 
about 3.30 thick uses gas flowed valves and TR5 springs with titanium retaines.  I alsp use a 1.65 : 1 roller rocker set, also from Goodparts.
I don't know if I can call my motor full race, but I've used it with Webbers, PI and triple ZS carbs.  Never been on a dyno, but guessing close to 190 hp.





On Wed 25/01/23 10:28 AM , Walt Hollowell via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
> I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding
> connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am
> considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the
> MaxSpeeding rods. 
> 
> Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra
> bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the
> affordability? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Walter Hollowell
> 
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan 25 22:13:24 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:13:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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Oops, forgot signature.
Charly Mitchel 
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On Wed 25/01/23  9:09 PM , Charly charly at mitchelplumbing.com sent:
> Walt, I have been using Max Speed rods for about 10 years.  I have never
> had a rod failure since I've started using them. When I first saw them and decided to try them, I asked the FoT what the
> thought was about them and the general consensus then why are you buying
> Chinese rods?  My first set I took to my machine shop and they looked them over and found
> they were very well balanced, all equal in weight and the only difference
> was there were to slots to index the bearings.  
> I have only used stock lightened and balanced rods and the MaxSpeed rods
> and have nothing else to compare them to.  I probably don't make as much
> power or rev my motor as high as others, I have been using a billet crank I bought with the group from
> Farndon Industries, about 50 lbs. and only am revving to about 7k rpm, my
> CR is about 12:1 or less and I use a lightened alloy (not aluminum) flywheel, about 12 lbs.  I have not had any
> rod bolt failures, maybe I'm lucky. I'm also using a Tilton 7 1/2
> clutch.The cam I've used the majority of the time is a D9 grind, mainly because
> it's friendlier with the fuel injection.  I use the Goodparts header as
> it's a thing of beauty. The head is about 3.30 thick uses gas flowed valves and TR5 springs with titanium
> retaines.  I alsp use a 1.65 : 1 roller rocker set, also from
> Goodparts.I don't know if I can call my motor full race, but I've used it with
> Webbers, PI and triple ZS carbs.  Never been on a dyno, but guessing close
> to 190 hp.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed 25/01/23 10:28 AM , Walt Hollowell via Fot fot at autox.
> team.net sent:> I have built a few full race engines for my TR6
> using MaxSpeeding> connecting rods with acceptable results. For my
> next build I am> considering Carrillo rods which run about $650
> more than the> MaxSpeeding rods. 
> > 
> > Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods
> are worth the extra> bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding
> considering the> affordability? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan 25 22:15:02 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:15:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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On Wed 25/01/23  9:09 PM , Charly charly at mitchelplumbing.com sent:
> Walt, I have been using Max Speed rods for about 10 years.  I have never
> had a rod failure since I've started using them. When I first saw them and decided to try them, I asked the FoT what the
> thought was about them and the general consensus then why are you buying
> Chinese rods?  My first set I took to my machine shop and they looked them over and found
> they were very well balanced, all equal in weight and the only difference
> was there were to slots to index the bearings.  
> I have only used stock lightened and balanced rods and the MaxSpeed rods
> and have nothing else to compare them to.  I probably don't make as much
> power or rev my motor as high as others, I have been using a billet crank I bought with the group from
> Farndon Industries, about 50 lbs. and only am revving to about 7k rpm, my
> CR is about 12:1 or less and I use a lightened alloy (not aluminum) flywheel, about 12 lbs.  I have not had any
> rod bolt failures, maybe I'm lucky. I'm also using a Tilton 7 1/2
> clutch.The cam I've used the majority of the time is a D9 grind, mainly because
> it's friendlier with the fuel injection.  I use the Goodparts header as
> it's a thing of beauty. The head is about 3.30 thick uses gas flowed valves and TR5 springs with titanium
> retaines.  I alsp use a 1.65 : 1 roller rocker set, also from
> Goodparts.I don't know if I can call my motor full race, but I've used it with
> Webbers, PI and triple ZS carbs.  Never been on a dyno, but guessing close
> to 190 hp.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed 25/01/23 10:28 AM , Walt Hollowell via Fot fot at autox.
> team.net sent:> I have built a few full race engines for my TR6
> using MaxSpeeding> connecting rods with acceptable results. For my
> next build I am> considering Carrillo rods which run about $650
> more than the> MaxSpeeding rods. 
> > 
> > Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods
> are worth the extra> bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding
> considering the> affordability? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Walter Hollowell
> > 
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan 25 22:19:10 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 23:19:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
Message-ID: <50025.1674710350@mitchelplumbing.com>



On Wed 25/01/23  9:09 PM , Charly charly at mitchelplumbing.com sent:
> Walt, I have been using Max Speed rods for about 10 years.  I have never
> had a rod failure since I've started using them. When I first saw them and decided to try them, I asked the FoT what the
> thought was about them and the general consensus then why are you buying
> Chinese rods?  My first set I took to my machine shop and they looked them over and found
> they were very well balanced, all equal in weight and the only difference
> was there were to slots to index the bearings.  
> I have only used stock lightened and balanced rods and the MaxSpeed rods
> and have nothing else to compare them to.  I probably don't make as much
> power or rev my motor as high as others, I have been using a billet crank I bought with the group from
> Farndon Industries, about 50 lbs. and only am revving to about 7k rpm, my
> CR is about 12:1 or less and I use a lightened alloy (not aluminum) flywheel, about 12 lbs.  I have not had any
> rod bolt failures, maybe I'm lucky. I'm also using a Tilton 7 1/2
> clutch.The cam I've used the majority of the time is a D9 grind, mainly because
> it's friendlier with the fuel injection.  I use the Goodparts header as
> it's a thing of beauty. The head is about 3.30 thick uses gas flowed valves and TR5 springs with titanium
> retaines.  I alsp use a 1.65 : 1 roller rocker set, also from
> Goodparts.I don't know if I can call my motor full race, but I've used it with
> Webbers, PI and triple ZS carbs.  Never been on a dyno, but guessing close
> to 190 hp.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed 25/01/23 10:28 AM , Walt Hollowell via Fot fot at autox.
> team.net sent:> I have built a few full race engines for my TR6
> using MaxSpeeding> connecting rods with acceptable results. For my
> next build I am> considering Carrillo rods which run about $650
> more than the> MaxSpeeding rods. 
> > 
> > Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods
> are worth the extra> bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding
> considering the> affordability? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Walter Hollowell
> > 
> > Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Jan 25 23:25:19 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 00:25:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
Message-ID: <51833.1674714319@mitchelplumbing.com>


Just to let you know, I've been running them in my 6 for 10 years with no failures, actually a good product.  Them seem to be better now than when they first came out.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
On Wed 25/01/23  7:07 PM , Don Couch via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
> Walter, 
> 
> I?d say you tell us. 
> If the MaxSpeed rods are working, WHY would you want to spend the extra
> $$$?I?ve always wondered about those rods but never wanted to risk a
> build on them.If you are happy, why would you want to go Carrillo?
> 
> I?m currently running Carrillo rods but if the MaxSpeed rods hold
> up? let us know, Don
> 
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From Tr6driver at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 04:29:06 2023
From: Tr6driver at yahoo.com (James Palmer)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 06:29:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
References: <6A18333A-FFB5-44CB-ACAA-3FE66F8C7976.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6A18333A-FFB5-44CB-ACAA-3FE66F8C7976@yahoo.com>

?They lasted over 7000 race miles in my endurance racing Marina (MGB engine) with no issues at all. Now I?m building a TR6 endurance engine (LDRL) and using MS rods again.  Debut in September, I hope.

Jamie Palmer
RiffRAF Racing

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 5:07 AM, Charly via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Just to let you know, I've been running them in my 6 for 10 years with no failures, actually a good product.  Them seem to be better now than when they first came out.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> On Wed 25/01/23  7:07 PM , Don Couch via Fot fot at autox.team.net sent:
>> Walter,
>> I?d say you tell us.
>> If the MaxSpeed rods are working, WHY would you want to spend the extra
>> $$$?I?ve always wondered about those rods but never wanted to risk a
>> build on them.If you are happy, why would you want to go Carrillo?
>> I?m currently running Carrillo rods but if the MaxSpeed rods hold
>> up? let us know, Don
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jan 26 05:08:23 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 12:08:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
In-Reply-To: <40604683-AE8A-4F22-83A6-5B5ED458895A@mhc-law.com>
References: <SJ0PR15MB4552A3981265C5FAC1B62FDCE1CE9@SJ0PR15MB4552.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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Because the Pauter rods are (or were, when I bought them) pretty reasonably priced, durable, and reliable and they look really pretty when I pull the pan  :-)

Scott (B.)

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
________________________________
From: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 7:55:59 PM
To: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Cc: Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com>; walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question

Gosh guys, with the almost unlimited selection of racing rods for Ford and Chevy v8 monster engines at reasonable prices, why are you paying and praying for stock  sized replicas?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

I?ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.  They have proven very durable for me!


Scott (B.)



From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question



Walt,



I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.



Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.



Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.

Brad Eells

Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

?

I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.

Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?

Thanks,

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico



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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 06:20:00 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 13:20:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
In-Reply-To: <40604683-AE8A-4F22-83A6-5B5ED458895A@mhc-law.com>
References: <SJ0PR15MB4552A3981265C5FAC1B62FDCE1CE9@SJ0PR15MB4552.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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 Hi - For TR6, the challenge is the bore being less than 3 inches. A lot of the aftermarket rod big ends won't fit down the bore. So, from this seat, the choices are limited. The Max SPeeding rods use 5/16" ARP 2000 rod bolts, so they will not fit into a stock bore, you MUST overbore by +.030 or more. At least that's what I recall. Most of us will go for a max. overbore to be legal, +.040 but there's most likely some motors out there that are more than .040 over... the point being that the larger than stock big end dimensions will work with those over-overbores. One potential "gotcha" for the H-beam rods is the side clearance to the bottom of the piston bore on one side is almost zero, so you have to relieve the bottom of the piston bore for clearance. This is no big deal, but it must be done. This is one area where the Carillo and Pauter has an advantage... one less "step" in the build process.

I will also say that I built a motor a few years ago with the MaxSpeeding Rods and had them checked out and found them to be as others reported, dimensions spot on, and balanced and equal weight within less than 1 gram across the set. Actually, 5 rods were the same weight and one was about .5 grams heavier. I also saw a small variance in the small end bush and had to lightly hone 1 of the rods to get the wrist pin to fit properly. Honestly, the finish of the parts was impressive. I'll probably use them again. The biggest reason: when I bought that set, it was less expensive for a entire set than it would be to recondition and balance a set of stock rods.
I don't have enough hours on that engine to address longevity, but I will say that at the time I bought the set from Max SPeeding, several FOTs also reported on or off list that they had good experience with them. I have seen zero reports to the contrary.
Based on that experience, other than potential questions about the material composition of the rods, e.g. 4130 steel, I wouldn't steer anyone away from using these parts. And right now, I'll take new metal over stuff that was made when the earth was still cooling... anytime.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:26:14 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Gosh guys, with the almost unlimited selection of racing rods for Ford and Chevy v8 monster engines at reasonable prices, why are you paying and praying for stock ?sized replicas?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

I?ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.? They have proven very durable for me!


 
Scott (B.)
 
 ?
 
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfBrad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question
 
 ?
 
Walt,
 
 ?
 
I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.
 
 ?
 
Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.
 
 ?
 
Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
 
Brad Eells
 
Sent from my iPhone
 



 

On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 


?
 
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
 
Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
 
Thanks,
 
Walter Hollowell
 
Albuquerque, New Mexico
 
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 26 06:46:13 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 13:46:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
In-Reply-To: <1269378385.199993.1674739200681@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <SJ0PR15MB4552A3981265C5FAC1B62FDCE1CE9@SJ0PR15MB4552.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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 Bob,Yes, I also ran into the issue of the side of the MS rod hitting the bottom of the bore. Nothing like taking a grinder to a freshly honed block! As it turned out, I only needed to make about an 1/8" chamfer on one side. Car has been running well for a couple of race weekends so far. Even survived Henry Morrison racing it at RA! Just kidding, Henry was a huge help with sorting and set up. I also have the MS roods in my Sprite 1275 and in our TR3. Seem to be pretty bombproof, and the price point is hard to beat.
Hope to see you all at the Cup in July!Jake
    On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 07:24:26 AM CST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  Hi - For TR6, the challenge is the bore being less than 3 inches. A lot of the aftermarket rod big ends won't fit down the bore. So, from this seat, the choices are limited. The Max SPeeding rods use 5/16" ARP 2000 rod bolts, so they will not fit into a stock bore, you MUST overbore by +.030 or more. At least that's what I recall. Most of us will go for a max. overbore to be legal, +.040 but there's most likely some motors out there that are more than .040 over... the point being that the larger than stock big end dimensions will work with those over-overbores. One potential "gotcha" for the H-beam rods is the side clearance to the bottom of the piston bore on one side is almost zero, so you have to relieve the bottom of the piston bore for clearance. This is no big deal, but it must be done. This is one area where the Carillo and Pauter has an advantage... one less "step" in the build process.

I will also say that I built a motor a few years ago with the MaxSpeeding Rods and had them checked out and found them to be as others reported, dimensions spot on, and balanced and equal weight within less than 1 gram across the set. Actually, 5 rods were the same weight and one was about .5 grams heavier. I also saw a small variance in the small end bush and had to lightly hone 1 of the rods to get the wrist pin to fit properly. Honestly, the finish of the parts was impressive. I'll probably use them again. The biggest reason: when I bought that set, it was less expensive for a entire set than it would be to recondition and balance a set of stock rods.
I don't have enough hours on that engine to address longevity, but I will say that at the time I bought the set from Max SPeeding, several FOTs also reported on or off list that they had good experience with them. I have seen zero reports to the contrary.
Based on that experience, other than potential questions about the material composition of the rods, e.g. 4130 steel, I wouldn't steer anyone away from using these parts. And right now, I'll take new metal over stuff that was made when the earth was still cooling... anytime.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:26:14 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Gosh guys, with the almost unlimited selection of racing rods for Ford and Chevy v8 monster engines at reasonable prices, why are you paying and praying for stock ?sized replicas?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

I?ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.? They have proven very durable for me!


 
Scott (B.)
 
 ?
 
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfBrad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question
 
 ?
 
Walt,
 
 ?
 
I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.
 
 ?
 
Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.
 
 ?
 
Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.
 
Brad Eells
 
Sent from my iPhone
 



 

On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 


?
 
I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.
 
Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?
 
Thanks,
 
Walter Hollowell
 
Albuquerque, New Mexico
 
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu Jan 26 08:33:55 2023
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (charly at mitchelplumbing.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 07:33:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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Yes, I?ve had to do this on the early 6 blocks, for some reason the casting had changed in the later blocks, no clearance problem.

Charly Mitchel

TR6 #44

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Erik Jacobsen via Fot
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 5:46 AM
To: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>; Robert Lang <robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question

 

Bob,

Yes, I also ran into the issue of the side of the MS rod hitting the bottom of the bore. Nothing like taking a grinder to a freshly honed block! As it turned out, I only needed to make about an 1/8" chamfer on one side. Car has been running well for a couple of race weekends so far. Even survived Henry Morrison racing it at RA! Just kidding, Henry was a huge help with sorting and set up. I also have the MS roods in my Sprite 1275 and in our TR3. Seem to be pretty bombproof, and the price point is hard to beat.

 

Hope to see you all at the Cup in July!

Jake

 

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 07:24:26 AM CST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi - For TR6, the challenge is the bore being less than 3 inches. A lot of the aftermarket rod big ends won't fit down the bore. So, from this seat, the choices are limited. The Max SPeeding rods use 5/16" ARP 2000 rod bolts, so they will not fit into a stock bore, you MUST overbore by +.030 or more. At least that's what I recall. Most of us will go for a max. overbore to be legal, +.040 but there's most likely some motors out there that are more than .040 over... the point being that the larger than stock big end dimensions will work with those over-overbores. One potential "gotcha" for the H-beam rods is the side clearance to the bottom of the piston bore on one side is almost zero, so you have to relieve the bottom of the piston bore for clearance. This is no big deal, but it must be done. This is one area where the Carillo and Pauter has an advantage... one less "step" in the build process.

 

I will also say that I built a motor a few years ago with the MaxSpeeding Rods and had them checked out and found them to be as others reported, dimensions spot on, and balanced and equal weight within less than 1 gram across the set. Actually, 5 rods were the same weight and one was about .5 grams heavier. I also saw a small variance in the small end bush and had to lightly hone 1 of the rods to get the wrist pin to fit properly. Honestly, the finish of the parts was impressive. I'll probably use them again. The biggest reason: when I bought that set, it was less expensive for a entire set than it would be to recondition and balance a set of stock rods.

 

I don't have enough hours on that engine to address longevity, but I will say that at the time I bought the set from Max SPeeding, several FOTs also reported on or off list that they had good experience with them. I have seen zero reports to the contrary.

 

Based on that experience, other than potential questions about the material composition of the rods, e.g. 4130 steel, I wouldn't steer anyone away from using these parts. And right now, I'll take new metal over stuff that was made when the earth was still cooling... anytime.

 

Regards,

Bob Lang

 

On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:26:14 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Gosh guys, with the almost unlimited selection of racing rods for Ford and Chevy v8 monster engines at reasonable prices, why are you paying and praying for stock  sized replicas?

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

I?ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.  They have proven very durable for me!

Scott (B.)

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com <mailto:walt at hot-tr6.com> 
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question

 

Walt,

 

I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.

 

Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.

 

Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.

Brad Eells

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods. 

Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?

Thanks,

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

 


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From kknight at klaenv.com  Thu Jan 26 09:57:49 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 08:57:49 -0800
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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Everyone should be aware this cam is ground on an original TR cam core, not a new blank.  Ken

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:24 PM
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] A cam for Rick

 

The Larry  young DX cam profile is available at Webb Camshaft, Riverside Ca.  

I?ve used this profile with a lot of success for multiple clients . 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 22, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

I was going to keep out of this one but am not capable of it.  :)

I run Larry's original design cams.  I'm not quite sure who is making them now - Ken Knight had some made last go-round.  It's fast but not as peaky as the Erson 24 - coming out of a turn at 3000 rpm is fine, 3500 is better, pulls through 6500 RPM, not sure where it drops off - haven't had the courage to rev that high.

Most of the front runners (to my knowledge at least) run the Erson 24.  I ran a modified one of those (experimental) and hated that one because it was even worse at low RPM than the Erson.

We ran an Isky 666 cam early on and it might be more suitable for a less highly stressed engine.  It was tractable and pulled through 6000, not sure about higher - I suspect going over 6000 won't be worth it.  With a built engine, ported head, all the goodies it's not as fast / powerful as the Larry or Erson ones.

The Isky would be easier on the valve train.  Larry's profile requires full diameter stock lifters - if you've gone with the GT40 lifters sleeved down it'll wipe the cam.  One set of lifters I bought from BPNW they had put a chamfer around the edge to break the sharp edge and that was enough to wipe a cam too.  It's pretty high lift so you need to have your ducks in a row for there not to be spring bind, have the seat pressures right, and consider valves and springs a replaceable wear item.  I suspect the same is true for the Erson 24 grind as well.  I believe there's an Erson 23 grind which is less radical that might be an option.

I'm trying to point out possible "off the shelf" items that don't require you to send a profile to a cam grinder...

The Erson ones are hopefully still available from Brian Howlett / BFE / www.BritishFrameandEngine.com <http://www.BritishFrameandEngine.com> .  Not sure who's making the Larry Young design ones now.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 1/22/2023 11:30 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote:

The numbers for Erson/BFE #24 mentioned by David and Henry is the last one in my list and has the longest duration. Like Henry said, if you drop below 4,000 your dead.

I got interested in the history of cam design. According the Speedy Bill Smith (Speedway Motors) the real innovators after WWII were Ed Winfield and Collins of Harmon-Collins (see the book "Souping the Stock Engine). He said their designs were heavily copied by the others. I think Kas's cams were designed by someone from Harmon-Collins.

I certainly don't have the experience of many others on this list, but I'll contribute a few comments on what Rick has said. Cams is a subject that is mysterious (Rick said "black art") to many, so it is easy for them to be fooled. There is nothing mysterious about it. I agree that most people put to much emphasis on peak HP rather than the entire range you will operate in.
 - Larry 


On 1/22/2023 6:46 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote:



Hi FOT, 

 

I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and their relative effects on engine performance with some crude engine modeling software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, building a strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can help it with a stock based crank.    Does anyone happen to have the specs on the Gillander?s #24 they could share?  Just curious.  Maybe it?s at the pointy end of the list below?

 

Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put together, below, and I?d sure be curious what Rick Parent?s software would say I should have done!!!  

 

Triumph Cams <https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html>  

 

 






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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Fri Jan 27 06:29:42 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 07:29:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a friend
Message-ID: <BDD0DFB7-DA30-4491-8DFF-411490379D84@icloud.com>

One of my buddies has been on the cliff about to jump into the world of vintage racing and I think watching us at COTA last weekend might have given him the nudge he needed. 

So what cars are out there and available that are ?ready to race?. I?m not positive he will go with a Triumph but I want to help him with options. 

Thanks y?all. 
Greg

Sent from my iPhone

From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jan 27 06:57:51 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 08:57:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a friend
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Russ Moore?s Spitfire.  I saw it again a few weeks ago - beautifully prepared car, great car to get started with, and really will not need anything to go racing. In upstate NY.
Steve Smith?s GT6 - if this was closer I would buy it.  in Nevada.



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One of my buddies has been on the cliff about to jump into the world of vintage racing and I think watching us at COTA last weekend might have given him the nudge he needed. 

So what cars are out there and available that are ?ready to race?. I?m not positive he will go with a Triumph but I want to help him with options. 

Thanks y?all. 
Greg

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From jlesnowski at aol.com  Fri Jan 27 07:19:59 2023
From: jlesnowski at aol.com (jlesnowski)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 09:19:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a friend
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Hi Greg,I have an Elva Courier and a Triumph Spitfire for sale in Virginia.? I have not advertised them yet but will soon.? Russ Moore has a complete package for sale with a Spitfire.? All three are truely track ready.Joe LesnowskiSent from my Galaxy Tab A
-------- Original message --------From: Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/27/23  8:50 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Looking for a friend One of my buddies has been on the cliff about to jump into the world of vintage racing and I think watching us at COTA last weekend might have given him the nudge he needed. So what cars are out there and available that are ?ready to race?. I?m not positive he will go with a Triumph but I want to help him with options. Thanks y?all. GregSent from my iPhone_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jlesnowski at aol.com
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From lotusgagne at rogers.com  Fri Jan 27 08:45:16 2023
From: lotusgagne at rogers.com (CLAUDE GAGNE)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 15:45:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a friend
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 Hi Greg. I have a 1967 Lotus Elan for sale, ready to race. I am in Ottawa. Canada. Please let me know if interested. Cheers!
Claude
    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:13:21 a.m. EST, jlesnowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi Greg,I have an Elva Courier and a Triumph Spitfire for sale in Virginia.? I have not advertised them yet but will soon.? Russ Moore has a complete package for sale with a Spitfire.? All three are truely track ready.Joe Lesnowski


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-------- Original message --------From: Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 1/27/23 8:50 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Looking for a friend 
One of my buddies has been on the cliff about to jump into the world of vintage racing and I think watching us at COTA last weekend might have given him the nudge he needed. 

So what cars are out there and available that are ?ready to race?. I?m not positive he will go with a Triumph but I want to help him with options. 

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Greg

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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 27 08:53:51 2023
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 15:53:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a friend
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 I hate to put up a personal interest but my wife's doctor won't sign another medical so her Mini Cooper is on the market. Eight races on a full MED engine build. https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/134292/mini-cooper-mk1-vintage-race-car
Gary SchneiderMadison WI

    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 07:33:59 AM CST, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 One of my buddies has been on the cliff about to jump into the world of vintage racing and I think watching us at COTA last weekend might have given him the nudge he needed. 

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Greg

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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jan 27 09:02:19 2023
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 10:02:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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Ken has the original CNC ground master, so presumably it is ground from 
a copy which will be less accurate. - Larry

On 1/26/2023 10:57 AM, Ken Knight via Fot wrote:
>
> Everyone should be aware this cam is ground on an original TR cam 
> core, not a new blank.? Ken
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Tony and Annie 
> Garmey via Fot
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:24 PM
> *To:* Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A cam for Rick
>
> The Larry ?young DX cam profile is available at Webb Camshaft, 
> Riverside Ca.
>
> I?ve used this profile with a lot of success for multiple clients .
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>     On Jan 22, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Tony Drews via Fot
>     <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     ?
>
>     I was going to keep out of this one but am not capable of it.? :)
>
>     I run Larry's original design cams.? I'm not quite sure who is
>     making them now - Ken Knight had some made last go-round.? It's
>     fast but not as peaky as the Erson 24 - coming out of a turn at
>     3000 rpm is fine, 3500 is better, pulls through 6500 RPM, not sure
>     where it drops off - haven't had the courage to rev that high.
>
>     Most of the front runners (to my knowledge at least) run the Erson
>     24.? I ran a modified one of those (experimental) and hated that
>     one because it was even worse at low RPM than the Erson.
>
>     We ran an Isky 666 cam early on and it might be more suitable for
>     a less highly stressed engine.? It was tractable and pulled
>     through 6000, not sure about higher - I suspect going over 6000
>     won't be worth it.? With a built engine, ported head, all the
>     goodies it's not as fast / powerful as the Larry or Erson ones.
>
>     The Isky would be easier on the valve train.? Larry's profile
>     requires full diameter stock lifters - if you've gone with the
>     GT40 lifters sleeved down it'll wipe the cam.? One set of lifters
>     I bought from BPNW they had put a chamfer around the edge to break
>     the sharp edge and that was enough to wipe a cam too.? It's pretty
>     high lift so you need to have your ducks in a row for there not to
>     be spring bind, have the seat pressures right, and consider valves
>     and springs a replaceable wear item.? I suspect the same is true
>     for the Erson 24 grind as well.? I believe there's an Erson 23
>     grind which is less radical that might be an option.
>
>     I'm trying to point out possible "off the shelf" items that don't
>     require you to send a profile to a cam grinder...
>
>     The Erson ones are hopefully still available from Brian Howlett /
>     BFE / www.BritishFrameandEngine.com
>     <http://www.BritishFrameandEngine.com>. Not sure who's making the
>     Larry Young design ones now.
>
>     Cheers, Tony Drews
>
>     On 1/22/2023 11:30 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote:
>
>         The numbers for Erson/BFE #24 mentioned by David and Henry is
>         the last one in my list and has the longest duration. Like
>         Henry said, if you drop below 4,000 your dead.
>
>         I got interested in the history of cam design. According the
>         Speedy Bill Smith (Speedway Motors) the real innovators after
>         WWII were Ed Winfield and Collins of Harmon-Collins (see the
>         book "Souping the Stock Engine). He said their designs were
>         heavily copied by the others. I think Kas's cams were designed
>         by someone from Harmon-Collins.
>
>         I certainly don't have the experience of many others on this
>         list, but I'll contribute a few comments on what Rick has
>         said. Cams is a subject that is mysterious (Rick said "black
>         art") to many, so it is easy for them to be fooled. There is
>         nothing mysterious about it. I agree that most people put to
>         much emphasis on peak HP rather than the entire range you will
>         operate in.
>         ?- Larry
>
>
>         On 1/22/2023 6:46 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote:
>
>             Hi FOT,
>
>             I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and
>             their relative effects on engine performance with some
>             crude engine modeling software, in the quest to pick the
>             right cam for my wants, building a strong mid range
>             engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can help it
>             with a stock based crank. ? ?Does anyone happen to have
>             the specs on the Gillander?s #24 they could share? ?Just
>             curious. ?Maybe it?s at the pointy end of the list below?
>
>             Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put
>             together, below, and I?d sure be curious what Rick
>             Parent?s software would say I should have done!!!
>
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 09:06:09 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:06:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a friend
Message-ID: <99A7C14C-E2D6-4234-828B-2B2C34403BD2@gmail.com>

Hi Greg - I have a Spitfire that is ready to race here in Florida.

Best, Terry 

> On Jan 27, 2023, at 08:34, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?One of my buddies has been on the cliff about to jump into the world of vintage racing and I think watching us at COTA last weekend might have given him the nudge he needed. 
> 
> So what cars are out there and available that are ?ready to race?. I?m not positive he will go with a Triumph but I want to help him with options. 
> 
> Thanks y?all. 
> Greg
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri Jan 27 10:35:55 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 09:35:55 -0800
Subject: [Fot] A cam for Rick
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Several years ago I invested a good sum of money on a stock of new quality TR cam blanks.  I have exactly one left, which I am saving for my own needs.  I have tried to find an affordable source for a stock of new blanks without success.  One of the reasons is that in order for me to recoup my investment and make enough to cover my time, pay the cam grinder (whose price has gone up several times in the last 3 years) I have to sell a 298dx cam for +$700.00.  There are not enough folks with need or budget to make this happen going forward.

 

If someone comes up with a NEW blank they can send me I will get it ground and back for the price of the grinding + shipping + $100.00 for my time.  My grinder will NOT use an old TR camshaft as a blank.  I wish I had a better solution but I do not.  The reality is that

racing costs what racing costs and that is never cheap.  Good parts are expensive.  

 

We in FOT can at least be happy we are not paying for parts and services for a vintage racing Porsche (TR costs x 4).  We just use our old iron to pass them on the track.   Good racing all.  Ken

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Larry Young via Fot
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 8:02 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] A cam for Rick

 

Ken has the original CNC ground master, so presumably it is ground from a copy which will be less accurate. - Larry

On 1/26/2023 10:57 AM, Ken Knight via Fot wrote:

Everyone should be aware this cam is ground on an original TR cam core, not a new blank.  Ken

 

From: Fot  <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:24 PM
To: Tony Drews  <mailto:tony at tonydrews.com> <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] A cam for Rick

 

The Larry  young DX cam profile is available at Webb Camshaft, Riverside Ca.  

I?ve used this profile with a lot of success for multiple clients . 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jan 22, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

I was going to keep out of this one but am not capable of it.  :)

I run Larry's original design cams.  I'm not quite sure who is making them now - Ken Knight had some made last go-round.  It's fast but not as peaky as the Erson 24 - coming out of a turn at 3000 rpm is fine, 3500 is better, pulls through 6500 RPM, not sure where it drops off - haven't had the courage to rev that high.

Most of the front runners (to my knowledge at least) run the Erson 24.  I ran a modified one of those (experimental) and hated that one because it was even worse at low RPM than the Erson.

We ran an Isky 666 cam early on and it might be more suitable for a less highly stressed engine.  It was tractable and pulled through 6000, not sure about higher - I suspect going over 6000 won't be worth it.  With a built engine, ported head, all the goodies it's not as fast / powerful as the Larry or Erson ones.

The Isky would be easier on the valve train.  Larry's profile requires full diameter stock lifters - if you've gone with the GT40 lifters sleeved down it'll wipe the cam.  One set of lifters I bought from BPNW they had put a chamfer around the edge to break the sharp edge and that was enough to wipe a cam too.  It's pretty high lift so you need to have your ducks in a row for there not to be spring bind, have the seat pressures right, and consider valves and springs a replaceable wear item.  I suspect the same is true for the Erson 24 grind as well.  I believe there's an Erson 23 grind which is less radical that might be an option.

I'm trying to point out possible "off the shelf" items that don't require you to send a profile to a cam grinder...

The Erson ones are hopefully still available from Brian Howlett / BFE / www.BritishFrameandEngine.com <http://www.BritishFrameandEngine.com> .  Not sure who's making the Larry Young design ones now.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 1/22/2023 11:30 AM, Larry Young via Fot wrote:

The numbers for Erson/BFE #24 mentioned by David and Henry is the last one in my list and has the longest duration. Like Henry said, if you drop below 4,000 your dead.

I got interested in the history of cam design. According the Speedy Bill Smith (Speedway Motors) the real innovators after WWII were Ed Winfield and Collins of Harmon-Collins (see the book "Souping the Stock Engine). He said their designs were heavily copied by the others. I think Kas's cams were designed by someone from Harmon-Collins.

I certainly don't have the experience of many others on this list, but I'll contribute a few comments on what Rick has said. Cams is a subject that is mysterious (Rick said "black art") to many, so it is easy for them to be fooled. There is nothing mysterious about it. I agree that most people put to much emphasis on peak HP rather than the entire range you will operate in.
 - Larry 


On 1/22/2023 6:46 AM, David Gott via Fot wrote:




Hi FOT, 

 

I used Larry Young?s site to learn a lot about cams and their relative effects on engine performance with some crude engine modeling software, in the quest to pick the right cam for my wants, building a strong mid range engine, trying not to spin over 6,000 if I can help it with a stock based crank.    Does anyone happen to have the specs on the Gillander?s #24 they could share?  Just curious.  Maybe it?s at the pointy end of the list below?

 

Rick McCurdy, here?s the cam reference list Larry put together, below, and I?d sure be curious what Rick Parent?s software would say I should have done!!!  

 

Triumph Cams <https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html>  

 

 







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From Dave at microworks.net  Sun Jan 29 17:44:59 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2023 17:44:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Diaphram Pressure Plate
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA6509C55CAC16F9@mainserver>

Instead of the Borg style does anyone make a Diaphragm style for the TR3?  I'm using an OD gearbox.

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From gt6steve at aol.com  Sun Jan 29 18:51:56 2023
From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 01:51:56 +0000 (UTC)
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Friends, I?m looking to liquidate my entire race program for the very successful #4 GT6
What?s a very rare?Detroit Locker worth?


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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 13:06:53 2023
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:06:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Diaphram Pressure Plate
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 The TR-4A clutch and pressure plate (diaphragm style) will work, but you have to redrill the flywheel for the TR-4A bolts and dowel pins (get a well qualified machine shop to do this).? If you have the early TR-3 (I think up to VIN 50,000) it used a different style starter motor.? The early cars had a long starter which engages the flywheel from the front.? After 50,000 they switched to a shorter started which engages from the rear of the flywheel.? All later TR-3's, TR-4's and TR-4A's used this same starter.? So, if you switch flywheels, make sure you have the right starter.? The bell housing also changed at TR-3 50,000 to accommodate the later starter. 

If your TR-3 is after VIN number 50,000 you can bolt on a TR-4A flywheel, which will accommodate the TR-4A diaphragm style clutch, with no further changes.? Good luck.
Jack Wheeler

    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 08:05:07 PM EST, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Instead of the Borg style does anyone make a Diaphragm style for the TR3?? I?m using an OD gearbox.

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Mon Jan 30 13:28:02 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:28:02 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Diaphram Pressure Plate
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 3:07 PM
To: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net>
Cc: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Diaphram Pressure Plate

The TR-4A clutch and pressure plate (diaphragm style) will work, but you have to redrill the flywheel for the TR-4A bolts and dowel pins (get a well qualified machine shop to do this).  If you have the early TR-3 (I think up to VIN 50,000) it used a different style starter motor.  The early cars had a long starter which engages the flywheel from the front.  After 50,000 they switched to a shorter started which engages from the rear of the flywheel.  All later TR-3's, TR-4's and TR-4A's used this same starter.  So, if you switch flywheels, make sure you have the right starter.  The bell housing also changed at TR-3 50,000 to accommodate the later starter.

If your TR-3 is after VIN number 50,000 you can bolt on a TR-4A flywheel, which will accommodate the TR-4A diaphragm style clutch, with no further changes.  Good luck.

Jack Wheeler

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 08:05:07 PM EST, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:



Instead of the Borg style does anyone make a Diaphragm style for the TR3?  I?m using an OD gearbox.



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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 13:58:30 2023
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 21:48:07 2023
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:48:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Diaphram Pressure Plate
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Jack shares some important info to be aware of.
If you are in there this far and would like to upgrade the pressure plate to a diaphragm style, go all the way and include the flywheel as part of the upgrade.  Get a light flywheel that will be ready to accept the pressure plate.  A TR4A-TR6 pressure plate should match the new light flywheel.  If you have a (4) full syncro gear box already, the factory starter should work fine.  But, you might also consider upgrading the starter to a more compact, modern hi-torque unit.  I have enjoyed these improvements on my TR3.  I have a close gear set that uses the finer (21?) spline input shaft, so my clutch disc is a TR7 or MGB unit, but the pressure plate is TR4A-TR6.  The throw-out bearing with also have to match the pressure plate.  So change the bearing to match the pressure plate as well. 
The early TR2-3 gearbox had a short nose starter and the bell housing casting was also short or shallow to go with this starter.  On the later style, the bell housing accommodated the long nose starter with a deeper casting.  Also, the early trans cover will NOT fit over the later, deeper bell housing design.  The cover would need to be modified to fit the later gear box housing...or, be replaced by a later TR3 trans cover.  If you happen to need the later cover, I happen to have a few in my TR stash.  I learned this the hard way...after beautifully refinishing my cover, I had to hammer it out to make it fit over the deeper bell housing casting.  
Dave H.
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>     On 01/30/2023 12:06 PM Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>     The TR-4A clutch and pressure plate (diaphragm style) will work, but you have to redrill the flywheel for the TR-4A bolts and dowel pins (get a well qualified machine shop to do this).  If you have the early TR-3 (I think up to VIN 50,000) it used a different style starter motor.  The early cars had a long starter which engages the flywheel from the front.  After 50,000 they switched to a shorter started which engages from the rear of the flywheel.  All later TR-3's, TR-4's and TR-4A's used this same starter.  So, if you switch flywheels, make sure you have the right starter.  The bell housing also changed at TR-3 50,000 to accommodate the later starter.
> 
>     If your TR-3 is after VIN number 50,000 you can bolt on a TR-4A flywheel, which will accommodate the TR-4A diaphragm style clutch, with no further changes.  Good luck.
> 
>     Jack Wheeler
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>     On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 08:05:07 PM EST, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>     Instead of the Borg style does anyone make a Diaphragm style for the TR3?  I?m using an OD gearbox.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jan 30 22:53:24 2023
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 06:53:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Diaphram Pressure Plate
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Dear  Dave,

 

get a Bastuck flywheel for a Tilton clutch.

That is the lightest you can get.

The clutch weights at 2 pounds, and the Flywheel about 5 pounds.

Your crank will say thank you.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Dave Riddle via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 30. Januar 2023 01:45
An: Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: [Fot] Diaphram Pressure Plate

 

Instead of the Borg style does anyone make a Diaphragm style for the TR3?
I'm using an OD gearbox.

 

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jan 31 12:58:39 2023
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 12:58:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup- Umbrella Girl
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I've registered for the 2023 Kastner Cup and will be bringing my own
umbrella girl of 50 years married. Some of my grown  children will be
attending as my pit crew. 

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

1970 TR6

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From markarthuralexander at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 14:08:44 2023
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:08:44 -0600
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Great to hear!  Great message to receive!

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wrote:

> I?ve registered for the 2023 Kastner Cup and will be bringing my own
> umbrella girl of 50 years married. Some of my grown  children will be
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> Walter Hollowell
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 14:18:10 2023
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 15:16:13 2023
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sun Jan 29 12:58:12 2023
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2023 19:58:12 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Connecting rod question
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I did hear a little tick coming from the crankcase at first, but it went away after a short time.

Henry Morrison
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Charly Mitchel via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 8:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question


Yes, I?ve had to do this on the early 6 blocks, for some reason the casting had changed in the later blocks, no clearance problem.

Charly Mitchel

TR6 #44



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Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question



Bob,

Yes, I also ran into the issue of the side of the MS rod hitting the bottom of the bore. Nothing like taking a grinder to a freshly honed block! As it turned out, I only needed to make about an 1/8" chamfer on one side. Car has been running well for a couple of race weekends so far. Even survived Henry Morrison racing it at RA! Just kidding, Henry was a huge help with sorting and set up. I also have the MS roods in my Sprite 1275 and in our TR3. Seem to be pretty bombproof, and the price point is hard to beat.



Hope to see you all at the Cup in July!

Jake



On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 07:24:26 AM CST, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:





Hi - For TR6, the challenge is the bore being less than 3 inches. A lot of the aftermarket rod big ends won't fit down the bore. So, from this seat, the choices are limited. The Max SPeeding rods use 5/16" ARP 2000 rod bolts, so they will not fit into a stock bore, you MUST overbore by +.030 or more. At least that's what I recall. Most of us will go for a max. overbore to be legal, +.040 but there's most likely some motors out there that are more than .040 over... the point being that the larger than stock big end dimensions will work with those over-overbores. One potential "gotcha" for the H-beam rods is the side clearance to the bottom of the piston bore on one side is almost zero, so you have to relieve the bottom of the piston bore for clearance. This is no big deal, but it must be done. This is one area where the Carillo and Pauter has an advantage... one less "step" in the build process.



I will also say that I built a motor a few years ago with the MaxSpeeding Rods and had them checked out and found them to be as others reported, dimensions spot on, and balanced and equal weight within less than 1 gram across the set. Actually, 5 rods were the same weight and one was about .5 grams heavier. I also saw a small variance in the small end bush and had to lightly hone 1 of the rods to get the wrist pin to fit properly. Honestly, the finish of the parts was impressive. I'll probably use them again. The biggest reason: when I bought that set, it was less expensive for a entire set than it would be to recondition and balance a set of stock rods.



I don't have enough hours on that engine to address longevity, but I will say that at the time I bought the set from Max SPeeding, several FOTs also reported on or off list that they had good experience with them. I have seen zero reports to the contrary.



Based on that experience, other than potential questions about the material composition of the rods, e.g. 4130 steel, I wouldn't steer anyone away from using these parts. And right now, I'll take new metal over stuff that was made when the earth was still cooling... anytime.



Regards,

Bob Lang



On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:26:14 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:





Gosh guys, with the almost unlimited selection of racing rods for Ford and Chevy v8 monster engines at reasonable prices, why are you paying and praying for stock  sized replicas?

Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

?

I?ve used the Pauter rods to good effect, too.  They have proven very durable for me!

Scott (B.)



From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Brad Eells via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:48 PM
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Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Connecting rod question



Walt,



I went with Pauter rods for the Spitfire due to the use of a larger rod bolt than Carillo.



Marty Sukey posted some very nasty pictures of his Carillos and a rod bolt failure?good enough for me.



Not sure how it will apply to TR6 items but worth a look.

Brad Eells

Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 25, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

?

I have built a few full race engines for my TR6 using MaxSpeeding connecting rods with acceptable results. For my next build I am considering Carrillo rods which run about $650 more than the MaxSpeeding rods.

Do and FOT members feel that the Carrillo rods are worth the extra bucks or should I be happy with the MaxSpeeding considering the affordability?

Thanks,

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico



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