From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 04:45:39 2023
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 06:45:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 /TR6 transmission
Message-ID: <CALDumpBW7CQkYCYThenLJ_07tGDHq++FjQd+k1_vuvRTEjsceg@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning all,  can anyone get some measurements for me please?
  I need input shaft dimensions.
 1) total length of shaft from the face of the trans.
 2) Length and diameter of bearing surface (crank mating bushing) and
  3)length / diameter of splines for the clutch.
If I could get this info for both GT6 and TR6 would be great.
Thanks,
Tom
Ex #4 white
Future 59 red
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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri Dec  1 09:38:15 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 16:38:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Synchro rings
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From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Dec  1 12:23:19 2023
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 13:23:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Synchro rings
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Cool website. 
Congrats on the projects? development. 
I?ll recommend the synchros whenever I can.
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> After 2 years, I finally have my Website up and running. Please check it out. Thanks!
> 
> King Syncro
> 
> King Syncro
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> 
> 
> Rick Parent
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Dec  1 20:47:54 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 19:47:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Synchro rings
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Agreed.  Excellent presentation.   
I would certainly like to try them when the need arises. 
Thanks Rick.  Best of luck on this endeavor. 
Dave H. 

> On 12/01/2023 11:23 AM PST Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Cool website. 
> Congrats on the projects? development. 
> I?ll recommend the synchros whenever I can.
> Jason Ostrowski 
> Friendly Ghost Racing 
> 1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> 
> > After 2 years, I finally have my Website up and running. Please check it out. Thanks!
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> > King Syncro https://kingsyncro.com/
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> >  
> >  
> >  
> > King Syncro
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Dec  2 06:04:13 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 08:04:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Synchro rings
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References: <1230945042.2014859.1701448695241@mail.yahoo.com>
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My experience with them after a year?s use is excellent.  In the TR6 box in my GT6, I used to grind 3rd gear occasionally - no longer.

On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:47 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Agreed.  Excellent presentation.   
I would certainly like to try them when the need arises. 
Thanks Rick.  Best of luck on this endeavor. 
Dave H. 
> On 12/01/2023 11:23 AM PST Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Cool website. 
> Congrats on the projects? development. 
> I?ll recommend the synchros whenever I can.
> Jason Ostrowski 
> Friendly Ghost Racing 
> 1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> After 2 years, I finally have my Website up and running. Please check it out. Thanks!
>>  
>> King Syncro <https://kingsyncro.com/>
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>>  	
>>  
>>  	
>> King Syncro
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Rick Parent
>>  
>> "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Sat Dec  2 08:23:26 2023
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 15:23:26 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Synchro rings
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I used them for half a season with a box rebuilt by Jason Sukey, and I think they are truly worth putting them in next time you have the gearbox apart, shifting is so smooth.

They work so well I had Jason use them when he built a spare gearbox for me.

Thanks
Mike

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Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 8:04 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchro rings

My experience with them after a year?s use is excellent.  In the TR6 box in my GT6, I used to grind 3rd gear occasionally - no longer.

On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:47 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Agreed.  Excellent presentation.
I would certainly like to try them when the need arises.
Thanks Rick.  Best of luck on this endeavor.
Dave H.
On 12/01/2023 11:23 AM PST Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


Cool website.
Congrats on the projects? development.
I?ll recommend the synchros whenever I can.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars
Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
After 2 years, I finally have my Website up and running. Please check it out. Thanks!

King Syncro<https://kingsyncro.com/>




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From rick.parent at att.net  Sat Dec  2 17:13:46 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 00:13:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Synchro rings
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Thanks guys, I don't think I would have continued on without your encouragement. It takes so long and the cost is huge but, hopefully it pays off in the end.
Happy Holidays my friends!
Rick Parent
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I used them for half a season with a box rebuilt by Jason Sukey, and I think they are truly worth putting them in next time you have the gearbox apart, shifting is so smooth.
 
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They work so well I had Jason use them when he built a spare gearbox for me.
 
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Thanks
 
Mike
 
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3255 West 26th Street
 
Erie, PA 16506
 
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Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 8:04 AM
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Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchro rings
 
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My experience with them after a year?s use is excellent. ?In the TR6 box in my GT6, I used to grind 3rd gear occasionally - no longer.
 
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On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:47 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
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Agreed.? Excellent presentation.? ?
 
I would certainly like to try them when the need arises.?
 
Thanks Rick.? Best of luck on this endeavor.?
 
Dave H.?
 

On 12/01/2023 11:23 AM PST Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
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? 
 
Cool website.? 
 
Congrats on the projects? development.? 
 
I?ll recommend the synchros whenever I can. 
 
Jason Ostrowski? 
 
Friendly Ghost Racing? 
 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars 
 
Sent from my iPhone 
 



 

On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 


After 2 years, I finally have my Website up and running. Please check it out. Thanks!
 
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Sat Dec  2 19:47:39 2023
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 02:47:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Synchro rings
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I have a set in my race car and love them. I am considering pulling my road car box and installing a set.?
Greg Thompson? 

    On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 06:33:30 PM CST, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Thanks guys, I don't think I would have continued on without your encouragement. It takes so long and the cost is huge but, hopefully it pays off in the end.
Happy Holidays my friends!
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 08:43:42 AM MST, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
I used them for half a season with a box rebuilt by Jason Sukey, and I think they are truly worth putting them in next time you have the gearbox apart, shifting is so smooth.
 
 ?
 
They work so well I had Jason use them when he built a spare gearbox for me.
 
 ?
 
Thanks
 
Mike
 
 ?
 
Michael T. Moore, CPA
 
3255 West 26th Street
 
Erie, PA 16506
 
 ?
 
Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100
 
Fax:??????? 888-865-5279
 
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To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Synchro rings
 
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My experience with them after a year?s use is excellent. ?In the TR6 box in my GT6, I used to grind 3rd gear occasionally - no longer.
 
 ?
 
On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:47 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
 ?
 
Agreed.? Excellent presentation.? ?
 
I would certainly like to try them when the need arises.?
 
Thanks Rick.? Best of luck on this endeavor.?
 
Dave H.?
 

On 12/01/2023 11:23 AM PST Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
? 
 
? 
 
Cool website.? 
 
Congrats on the projects? development.? 
 
I?ll recommend the synchros whenever I can. 
 
Jason Ostrowski? 
 
Friendly Ghost Racing? 
 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars 
 
Sent from my iPhone 
 



 

On Dec 1, 2023, at 10:56 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 


After 2 years, I finally have my Website up and running. Please check it out. Thanks!
 
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 19:58:12 2023
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 21:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Test
Message-ID: <CALDumpDCnby9euW1pfYM-cvJBaz4u4c4qcdyyXwaesqdGgNXAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all. I'm not seeing my posts, are they coming thru to the list?
Thanks
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 20:34:13 2023
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:34:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Transmission help
Message-ID: <CALDumpAEn-Gpg01ZqJnEQm5vp5=B14Sq1LjCHY6aG8vBG0uQuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Still looking for some measurements on both TR6 and GT6 transmissions.
I need, for both of these:
1) Input shaft length from the face of the case,
2) length & dia of the nose for the bushing,
3) length & dia of the splines.
Any or all of this info will be greatly appreciated, from anyone who can
help.
Thanks in advance.
Tom
Ex #4 White
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  3 20:35:38 2023
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:35:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Test
In-Reply-To: <CALDumpDCnby9euW1pfYM-cvJBaz4u4c4qcdyyXwaesqdGgNXAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALDumpDCnby9euW1pfYM-cvJBaz4u4c4qcdyyXwaesqdGgNXAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 Hi Tom,This one made it but I haven't seen anything else from you in a long time, including the spam trap.Gary

    On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 09:17:28 PM CST, tom strange via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hello all. I'm not seeing my posts, are they coming thru to the list?ThanksTomEx #4 WhiteFuture #59 Red_______________________________________________
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  3 20:47:50 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 03:47:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Test
In-Reply-To: <CALDumpDCnby9euW1pfYM-cvJBaz4u4c4qcdyyXwaesqdGgNXAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 Yes.? JoeB
    On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 10:37:58 PM EST, tom strange via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hello all. I'm not seeing my posts, are they coming thru to the list?ThanksTomEx #4 WhiteFuture #59 Red_______________________________________________
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From tomstrange5 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  3 22:59:47 2023
From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:59:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Test goof
Message-ID: <CALDumpCsyV7G0kpLbUkrmBt-RsMD+SWSo69CZnfhC+WNNx=u6A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all of you. I havent seen the test msg yet but some of you have
so I must be getting through.
Thanks again
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From sonomascot at aol.com  Mon Dec  4 10:04:05 2023
From: sonomascot at aol.com (Scott Meredith)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 17:04:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] cool Triumph 1800 for sale on BAT
References: <1965134460.10814860.1701709445649.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1965134460.10814860.1701709445649@mail.yahoo.com>

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1947-triumph-1800-roadster-3/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2023-12-03
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From Dave at microworks.net  Mon Dec  4 20:42:21 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:42:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Katsner Cup in the Aug 2023 Issue of Vintage Motorsport
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650A3EE031EB7E@mainserver>

I have led the HPDE1 Group for NASA here I AZ since 2003 and the other week a friend that is our CDI sent me a text with a photo of a page from the Aug/Sep 2023 issue of Vintage Motorsport.  Image my surprise that the BajaTR3 had a small photo in the 4 page spread about the WeatherTech International Race in General and a whole bunch in specific reporting about both the Katsner Cup as well as the induction of Mark and some other guys you may have heard of into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.

Here is a scan I just made of the article.  If you want to get your own copy of the Magazine here is a link to order a copy

https://shop.vintagemotorsport.com/collections/issues/products/2023-4-aug-sept-2023?fbclid=IwAR0UM15L62E173oNNI0uH0x9vyT4JNQfIy-fNJGlgxu8oXzarxV2f4oStTA


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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Dec  5 10:36:56 2023
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 07:36:56 -1000
Subject: [Fot] Katsner Cup in the Aug 2023 Issue of Vintage Motorsport
In-Reply-To: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650A3EE031EB7E@mainserver>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650A3EE031EB7E@mainserver>
Message-ID: <309FC6FB-B1F0-44DE-A226-457FA1454148@ponostyle.com>

I think you buried the lede. A photo of Mark with other luminaries like David Hobbs, Brian Redman, and Burt Levy being inducted into the LBC hall of fame? Heady company. And of course a nice picture of the TR250K. Thanks for all that. 

Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
bill at ponostyle.com
https://www.Ponostyle.com

> On Dec 4, 2023, at 5:42 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> <VMMAug2023.pdf>

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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 12:17:57 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:17:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A Bit of Sad News
Message-ID: <27968BD3-3770-49DB-9DD6-604D25E9129A@gmail.com>

Amici,

Many of you know of Kas?s sailing history during the 1980?s.

Kas sailed with my Spitfire?s previous owner/builder/driver, Doug Brown.

Joe Alexander owns and restored Kas?s Contender racing sailboat.

Kas and Doug sailed out of the Marina Del Rey Yacht Club in Los Angeles.

The historic clubhouse burned down last night.  Quite a significant cultural loss for the community, a small bit of Kas?s history too.

Story here: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/fire-destroys-historic-california-yacht-club-in-marina-del-rey/3289344/?amp=1

Brad Eells
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Dec 12 13:07:50 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 14:07:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A Bit of Sad News
In-Reply-To: <27968BD3-3770-49DB-9DD6-604D25E9129A@gmail.com>
References: <27968BD3-3770-49DB-9DD6-604D25E9129A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3C60172-509F-4FA2-B771-1D77715165D0@gmail.com>

His daughter, Toni, and I discussed sending his sailing trophies to the yacht club.  Here is one of them. Still an open issue, but not burned, at least.




Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
ARE  LLC
Gasketinnovations.com
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> On Dec 12, 2023, at 1:58?PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Amici,
> 
> Many of you know of Kas?s sailing history during the 1980?s.
> 
> Kas sailed with my Spitfire?s previous owner/builder/driver, Doug Brown.
> 
> Joe Alexander owns and restored Kas?s Contender racing sailboat.
> 
> Kas and Doug sailed out of the Marina Del Rey Yacht Club in Los Angeles.
> 
> The historic clubhouse burned down last night.  Quite a significant cultural loss for the community, a small bit of Kas?s history too.
> 
> Story here: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/fire-destroys-historic-california-yacht-club-in-marina-del-rey/3289344/?amp=1
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sat Dec 16 16:58:21 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 18:58:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New to Triumph
References: <8ECAD72B-80AF-4E82-9C4C-B8B8FDA89D8F.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8ECAD72B-80AF-4E82-9C4C-B8B8FDA89D8F@aol.com>

Amici:
Please welcome Walter Zawacki to Friends of Triumph.   He has been racing motorcycles his whole life but is looking to switch to vintage sport cars. He has been smitten by the TR 4 and 4A.  Perhaps this group can put him onto a well prepared TR that will ease his entry into the sport.  I expect he?ll be part of my crew for a few races in ?24.
Phil Gott


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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 16 19:09:26 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 02:09:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New to Triumph
In-Reply-To: <8ECAD72B-80AF-4E82-9C4C-B8B8FDA89D8F@aol.com>
References: <8ECAD72B-80AF-4E82-9C4C-B8B8FDA89D8F.ref@aol.com>
 <8ECAD72B-80AF-4E82-9C4C-B8B8FDA89D8F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <713668473.1331160.1702778966722@mail.yahoo.com>

Welcome Walter!?My ?58 TR3 could be available. Fresh from the 2023 Kastner Cup and still in Elkhart Lake.?
Jake


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, December 16, 2023, 7:53 PM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Amici:
Please welcome Walter Zawacki to Friends of Triumph.? He has been racing motorcycles his whole life but is looking to switch to vintage sport cars. He has been smitten by the TR 4 and 4A.? Perhaps this group can put him onto a well prepared TR that will ease his entry into the sport.? I expect he?ll be part of my crew for a few races in ?24.
Phil Gott


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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Dec 16 21:21:44 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 21:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New to Triumph
In-Reply-To: <8ECAD72B-80AF-4E82-9C4C-B8B8FDA89D8F@aol.com>
References: <8ECAD72B-80AF-4E82-9C4C-B8B8FDA89D8F.ref@aol.com>
 <8ECAD72B-80AF-4E82-9C4C-B8B8FDA89D8F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ee9c3f2e-a13f-4740-962d-d934c1209553@bradakis.com>

On 12/16/23 4:58 PM, Philip Gott via Fot wrote:
> Amici:
> Please welcome Walter Zawacki to Friends of Triumph.   

> walterzawacki at gmail.com

Okay, he is on the list.  Welcome aboard!

mjb.



From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 08:26:36 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:26:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] From The Kastner Collection
Message-ID: <BA41D754-9DF3-4B3D-AD40-EB3BE8D4DC00@gmail.com>

A dealer poster was produced in 1959.  As far as I know, Kas had the only one remaining in existence.   

Has anyone else seen this poster?  Thank you!

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4505 Donald Dr
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ARE  LLC
Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 08:57:27 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 07:57:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] From The Kastner Collection
In-Reply-To: <BA41D754-9DF3-4B3D-AD40-EB3BE8D4DC00@gmail.com>
References: <BA41D754-9DF3-4B3D-AD40-EB3BE8D4DC00@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c3112c5-2952-444d-a2b8-46559e08412f@gmail.com>

On 12/18/23 7:26 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> A dealer poster was produced in 1959.  As far as I know, Kas had the only one remaining in existence.
>
> Has anyone else seen this poster?  Thank you!

If a nice copy could be found I think everyone on the list would love a 
poster reproduction of it.

TeriAnn


From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 09:06:19 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 10:06:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] From The Kastner Collection
In-Reply-To: <1702914361.d7do57z6okgo0w4o@webmail.lumos.net>
References: <1702914361.d7do57z6okgo0w4o@webmail.lumos.net>
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4505 Donald Dr
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ARE  LLC
Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Dec 18, 2023, at 9:46?AM, R. John Lye <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Joe,
> 
> I just got a blank file.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:26:36 -0600, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> A dealer poster was produced in 1959. As far as I know, Kas had the only one remaining in existence.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this poster? Thank you!
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> ARE LLC
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
> Cell: 319.464.4711
> 
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Mon Dec 18 09:44:17 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 08:44:17 -0800
Subject: [Fot] From The Kastner Collection
In-Reply-To: <13F6F17E-B907-47A8-9F77-E54B1824827F@gmail.com>
References: <13F6F17E-B907-47A8-9F77-E54B1824827F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56E009A5-7D4D-49AE-8488-5FFA267EE41D@gmail.com>

Joe,

If you or anyone has a physical copy of this poster, it could be high resolution scanned and repaired for reproduction. 

The TR3 image appears to be the same one used on another current project.

I think we know a guy who could help out!

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2023, at 8:26?AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> ARE  LLC
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2023, at 9:46?AM, R. John Lye <rjl6n at cstone.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Joe,
>> 
>> I just got a blank file.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:26:36 -0600, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> A dealer poster was produced in 1959. As far as I know, Kas had the only one remaining in existence.
>> 
>> Has anyone else seen this poster? Thank you!
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> ARE LLC
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
>> Cell: 319.464.4711
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
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From moosehd2 at pacbell.net  Mon Dec 18 10:10:13 2023
From: moosehd2 at pacbell.net (Bert Brown)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 17:10:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] From The Kastner Collection
In-Reply-To: <BA41D754-9DF3-4B3D-AD40-EB3BE8D4DC00@gmail.com>
References: <BA41D754-9DF3-4B3D-AD40-EB3BE8D4DC00@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <776379936.2283661.1702919413449@mail.yahoo.com>

 The only one I saw was on the internet sometime in the past.
I thought it could have been used for advertising in CSCC Notes, the Cal Club monthly magazine but after searching my issues it looks like Triumph did not use it.
Attached is a photo with better resolution.Bert BrownDanville, CA    On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 07:51:18 AM PST, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 A dealer poster was produced in 1959.? As far as I know, Kas had the only one remaining in existence.? 

Has anyone else seen this poster?? Thank you!


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From Dave at microworks.net  Tue Dec 19 16:25:12 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 16:25:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650A3EE031EC4F@mainserver>

Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I'm not sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller's widow and the block on that motor is Red. I'm thinking that might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some left over from when the Car was painted

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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Dec 19 16:48:05 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 18:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car I?m a big fan of a lighter color.  Mine are always just rustoleum gray (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are working on in poor light, etc.  any of the colors you suggest would be way  better than black for this purpose.  I will say that rustoleum holds up real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.

On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I?m not sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some left over from when the Car was painted
 
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From Dave at microworks.net  Tue Dec 19 17:13:57 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:13:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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Good idea.  Think I?ll tell them this Rustoleum Yellow.  Similar to the Car and as you say, easy to see leaks, etc?

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From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 4:48 PM
To: Dave Riddle
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block color

I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car I?m a big fan of a lighter color.  Mine are always just rustoleum gray (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are working on in poor light, etc.  any of the colors you suggest would be way  better than black for this purpose.  I will say that rustoleum holds up real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.

On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I?m not sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some left over from when the Car was painted

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From agb at compsnw.com  Tue Dec 19 17:40:12 2023
From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 16:40:12 -0800
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I can't believe somebody would paint their block....



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> Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. 
> When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.? I?m 
> not sure.? Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do 
> have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob 
> Schaller?s widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that 
> might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car 
> as I have some left over from when the Car was painted
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 18:31:20 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] New look at TriumphSpitfire.com
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I was just on the web site, looking up some color combos for Dave's engine
color and I see Shawn Frank did a refresh.

https://triumphspitfire.com/

Well done Shawn, thank you for maintaining this great resource.

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Dec 19 18:45:47 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:45:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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I'm with Scott on this.  Lighter colors show problems much easier and sooner.  Rust-Oleum is preferred too.  Easy to get anywhere and in a rainbow of colors in non-rattle or rattle can.  I use it on frames, suspension, brackets and anything else besides the body too.  Easy for touch-ups.  
Black is factory for engines, but from what I've seen red is second most common.  My engine is silver, just because it's flashier than gray.  
Dave H.

> On 12/19/2023 3:48 PM PST Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car I?m a big fan of a lighter color.  Mine are always just rustoleum gray (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are working on in poor light, etc.  any of the colors you suggest would be way  better than black for this purpose.  I will say that rustoleum holds up real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.
> 
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I?m not sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some left over from when the Car was painted
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Tue Dec 19 18:51:38 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 19:51:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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From Dave at microworks.net  Tue Dec 19 18:57:13 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 18:57:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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Just got back from Home Depot with two cans of Sunburst Yellow


Dave Riddle
dave at microworks.net
602.692.5276

From: DAVE HOGYE [mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 6:46 PM
To: Scott Janzen; Scott Janzen via Fot; Dave Riddle
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block color

I'm with Scott on this.  Lighter colors show problems much easier and sooner.  Rust-Oleum is preferred too.  Easy to get anywhere and in a rainbow of colors in non-rattle or rattle can.  I use it on frames, suspension, brackets and anything else besides the body too.  Easy for touch-ups.
Black is factory for engines, but from what I've seen red is second most common.  My engine is silver, just because it's flashier than gray.
Dave H.
On 12/19/2023 3:48 PM PST Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car I?m a big fan of a lighter color.  Mine are always just rustoleum gray (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are working on in poor light, etc.  any of the colors you suggest would be way  better than black for this purpose.  I will say that rustoleum holds up real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.

On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I?m not sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some left over from when the Car was painted

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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 19:37:54 2023
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:37:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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Old Ford Blue... dig it

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 9:11?PM Alec Buchan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I can't believe somebody would paint their block....
>
>
>
> On 12/19/2023 3:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot wrote:
>
> Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week.
> When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I?m not
> sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a
> spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s
> widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be
> interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some
> left over from when the Car was painted
>
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Tue Dec 19 19:55:03 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:55:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
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Got a reground cam in the mail over the weekend. At the risk of sparking another oil debate, I?ve attached their oil warning and recommendations. 

Interesting in what oils are not listed, specifically VR1 20-50 racing oil which I?ve been using with great results for over 14 years in multiple cars/engines. 

Any thoughts on this?
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 19 21:15:31 2023
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 04:15:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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I would think that some people choose black to HIDE the leaks?. Like the factory obviously wanted to do? ?LOL. ?Gloss black is by far the worst/best for this? ?which I instantly regretted after trying to pinpoint a leak. ? Determining the leak is ?everywhere? seemed to be correct at the time. ?Good plan with the light colors.
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On Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 11:05 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

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Good idea.? Think I?ll tell them this Rustoleum Yellow.? Similar to the Car and as you say, easy to see leaks, etc?

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Dave Riddle

dave at microworks.net

602.692.5276

 ?

From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 4:48 PM
To: Dave Riddle
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block color

 ?

I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car I?m a big fan of a lighter color. ?Mine are always just rustoleum gray (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are working on in poor light, etc. ?any of the colors you suggest would be way ?better than black for this purpose. ?I will say that rustoleum holds up real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.

 ?

On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 ?

Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.? I?m not sure.? Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some left over from when the Car was painted

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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Tue Dec 19 22:23:41 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2023 21:23:41 -0800
Subject: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
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greg?

I thought it might be easier for some people to read here in text, rather than from the photo?

?Justin 

2.023 Updated Motor Oil Warning!!
Important message regarding critical "break-in" and "running" protection for all high performance flat-tappet hydraulic and solid lifter camshafts.
Not all motor oils are created equal! Unfortunately, when installing a high-performance camshaft, most oils will not afford your new cam sufficient protection during and after the initial 'break-in' period (the mating-in of the virgin metal surfaces between cam-lobes and lifters). This is because government regulators have mandated (as of January '04) a phased reduction and the eventual elimination of the critical anti-wear additive package (zinc/phosphorus) from all "SM" rated (street legal) motor oils to protect catalytic converters.
Currently, ISKY recommends the use of only the following motor oils for maximum cam lobe and lifter protection during and after the 'break-in' period because they are among the orly conventional (mineral base non-synthetic) oils available with generous levels of the critical anti-wear zinc/phosphorous additive package (at Least 1550-1600 pm for racing and up to, or exceeding 2000 ppm for break-in). Listed alphabetically, they are;
??Cen-Pe-Co (Central Petroleum Co.) 30 wt. Break-in Oil and Super Racing Oil (100% Paraffinic Base)
?Briven BR-30 Breaki Oil and their GP-1 SemI-Swathetick Racing O!!
??Mr. Race Oil SAE 30 Break-in Oil and their Drag Race / Oval Track Synthetic Blends*
*(semi-synthetic and synthetic blends average about 80% conventional, 20% synthetic)
We feel that the above listed motor oils are the finest available today, actually exceeding the protection levels of the former racing standard (yet no longer available) original Kendall GT-1. NOTE: WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE USE OF THESE 'BREAK-IN' SPECIFIC OILS for higher levels of anti-wear protection upon initial start-up and for the first 30 minutes of operation! If you do not use one of the above oils, the next best approach is to supplement other common mineral based oils with a zinc/phosphorous additive, of which only the following two are approved by ISKY: Either CAM SHIELD by Mr. Race Oil or ZDDPLUS. HOWEVER;
RATHER THAN SUPPLEMENTING, YOU ARE HIGHLY ENCOURAGED TO EMPLOY THE
*MORE SHEAR STABLE, ENHANCED POLYMERS IN ONE OF THE ABOVE LISTED BREAK-IN' OILS INSTEAD (ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT FOR ENGINES WITH HIGHER LIFT, MORE AGRESSIVE CAMSHAFTS, HIGHER ROCKER RATIOS, AND HEAVIER VALVE SPRING LOADING)!
* * Special Note Regarding Synthetic Oils *
ISKY does not recommend the use of fully synthetic oils with any flat-tappet camshaft, especially during break-in'. If you must use fully synthetic oil after break-in, there are several racing synthetics with excellent wincinhosphorous additive nookages that we are comfortable recommending such as Amocil (Rod) Raging. Oil, Cen-Pe-Co, Mr. Race Oil and Schaeffer Oil. Avoid those with very low viscosity index numbers (Ow-15, 5w-20 etc.) because of their lower film strength. However, realistically, for the sake of all flat tappet hydraulic or mechanical lifter camshafts, you'11 want to consider that no highly refined synthetic oil (with considerably higher surface tension) will wet down cam lobe surfaces as well as, a couventional mineral based oil to both lubricate and carry away heat! These two qualities are of fundamental importance for any good motor oil and particularly so for any High-Performance flat tappet camshaft installation!
Lastly, even when you employ the correct oil, remember that camshafts receive no direct-pressurized lubrication to their cam lobes and therefore depend on the foggy mist or "splash" off the connecting rods for survival. Therefore, when getting ready to start the motor up, remember to immediately rev to 2000/2500 RPM and keep it there for the first 15-20 minutes of operation. Also; be sure the ignition is timed properly and fuel is in the carburetor bowl to avoid excessive cranking on the starter and pre-disposing your cam's installation to a high riok of premature wear. Reducing valve spring loading (removing the inner springs is one method) and lower rocker arm ratios are encouraged during the camshaft's critical break-in process.
RACING CAMS
ED ISKENDERIAN RACING. CAMS
16020 S. BROADWAY BOX 30 ? GARDENA, CALIFORNIA 90247-9990;
(310) 217-9232 Fax (310) 515-5730 www.iskycams.com

> On Dec 19, 2023, at 9:07 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?Got a reground cam in the mail over the weekend. At the risk of sparking another oil debate, I?ve attached their oil warning and recommendations. 
> 
> Interesting in what oils are not listed, specifically VR1 20-50 racing oil which I?ve been using with great results for over 14 years in multiple cars/engines. 
> 
> Any thoughts on this?
> <image0.jpeg>
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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 04:31:35 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 06:31:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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I'm not too far away from painting my block as well.

Just to verify, you are just using the common Rust-Oleum, not a high heat
version?

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 12:46 AM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I would think that some people choose black to HIDE the leaks?. Like the
> factory obviously wanted to do?  LOL.  Gloss black is by far the worst/best
> for this?  which I instantly regretted after trying to pinpoint a leak.
> Determining the leak is ?everywhere? seemed to be correct at the time.
> Good plan with the light colors.
>
> Dave G
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 11:05 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Good idea.  Think I?ll tell them this Rustoleum Yellow.  Similar to the
> Car and as you say, easy to see leaks, etc?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave Riddle
>
> dave at microworks.net
>
> 602.692.5276
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2023 4:48 PM
> *To:* Dave Riddle
> *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Engine Block color
>
>
>
> I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car
> I?m a big fan of a lighter color.  Mine are always just rustoleum gray
> (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are
> working on in poor light, etc.  any of the colors you suggest would be way
>  better than black for this purpose.  I will say that rustoleum holds up
> real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week.
> When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I?m not
> sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a
> spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s
> widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be
> interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some
> left over from when the Car was painted
>
>
>
> <image001.png>
>
>
>
> <image007.png>
>
>
>
> <image002.jpg> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>
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>
> Business IT Consulting
>
> Office: 480.610.8234
>
> Cell: 602.692.5276
>
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed Dec 20 04:49:13 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 07:38:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
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Greg,
That page is loaded with good advice. I too have had great success with VR1, but on my last new racing cam, the irreplaceable Larry Young 310,  I used Driven Break In oil, first. I use Driven cam paste and VR1 for everything else. 
Bob


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> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:15?PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Got a reground cam in the mail over the weekend. At the risk of sparking another oil debate, I?ve attached their oil warning and recommendations.
> 
> Interesting in what oils are not listed, specifically VR1 20-50 racing oil which I?ve been using with great results for over 14 years in multiple cars/engines.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 06:48:17 2023
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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The best engine enamel I have found is made by Bill Hisch. He makes it in a
lot of stock colors:
I use Chevrolet Grey used in 29-52. for all my race engines. Makes things
easy to see and is good
to 700F. A form of aircraft enamel. Can be bought in spray cans or qts.

Dean



On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 8:34?AM Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Or just scrupulously clean the blocks manually, saving the original
> ?interior? paint.
>
>
> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 6:10?AM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?The iron used in these blocks is porous. Oil WILL eventually seep through
> everywhere. The best way to stop it is to use Glyptal on the entire inside
> surfaces of the block and head. It?s the red ?paint? that gets removed when
> the machine shop cleans the block and head.
> Phil
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 6:39?AM, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> I'm not too far away from painting my block as well.
>
> Just to verify, you are just using the common Rust-Oleum, not a high heat
> version?
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 12:46 AM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I would think that some people choose black to HIDE the leaks?. Like the
>> factory obviously wanted to do?  LOL.  Gloss black is by far the worst/best
>> for this?  which I instantly regretted after trying to pinpoint a leak.
>> Determining the leak is ?everywhere? seemed to be correct at the time.
>> Good plan with the light colors.
>>
>> Dave G
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 11:05 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Good idea.  Think I?ll tell them this Rustoleum Yellow.  Similar to the
>> Car and as you say, easy to see leaks, etc?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Riddle
>>
>> dave at microworks.net
>>
>> 602.692.5276
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2023 4:48 PM
>> *To:* Dave Riddle
>> *Cc:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Engine Block color
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car
>> I?m a big fan of a lighter color.  Mine are always just rustoleum gray
>> (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are
>> working on in poor light, etc.  any of the colors you suggest would be way
>>  better than black for this purpose.  I will say that rustoleum holds up
>> real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week.
>> When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I?m not
>> sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a
>> spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s
>> widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be
>> interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some
>> left over from when the Car was painted
>>
>>
>>
>> <image001.png>
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>> *Dave Riddle*
>>
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Wed Dec 20 07:13:54 2023
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 14:13:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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 I use Duplicolor DE1635 SG black engine enamel on the block & related parts; on race engines I paint the bolt-on parts w/machinery gray, so it's easy to see oil leaks, & Glyptal on the inside... IF it's perfectly clean.
Glen Efinger
   On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 06:46:19 AM EST, Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I'm not too far away from painting my block as well.??
Just to verify, you are just using the common Rust-Oleum, not a high heat version?
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 12:46 AM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I would think that some people choose black to HIDE the leaks?. Like the factory obviously wanted to do?? LOL.? Gloss black is by far the worst/best for this? ?which I instantly regretted after trying to pinpoint a leak. ? Determining the leak is ?everywhere? seemed to be correct at the time.? Good plan with the light colors.
Dave G


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 11:05 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Good idea.? Think I?ll tell them this Rustoleum Yellow.? Similar to the Car and as you say, easy to see leaks, etc?

 ?



 ?

 ?

Dave Riddle

dave at microworks.net

602.692.5276

 ?

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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 4:48 PM
To: Dave Riddle
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block color

 ?

I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car I?m a big fan of a lighter color.? Mine are always just rustoleum gray (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are working on in poor light, etc. ?any of the colors you suggest would be way ?better than black for this purpose.? I will say that rustoleum holds up real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.

 ?

On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 ?

Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.? I?m not sure.? Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some left over from when the Car was painted

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From ac at camoletti.ch  Wed Dec 20 08:36:33 2023
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:36:33 +0100
Subject: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
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Funny enough Isky's sheet does not mention Lucas Oil. Their classic 20/50 has 2300ppm ZDDP the racing oils 3'000 up to 5'000. I
 only use Lucas oils now, engine and box run significantly cooler. Had to remove the oil cooler on the hillclimb TR3 as I could not reach 90?C anymore!
Merry Christmas dear Foters!
Buon Natale Amici!
Alex Camoletti

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot
Envoy? : mercredi 20 d?cembre 2023 14:39
? : Greg Blake
Cc : Fot
Objet : Re: [Fot] isky oil recommendations

Greg,
That page is loaded with good advice. I too have had great success with VR1, but on my last new racing cam, the irreplaceable Larry Young 310,  I used Driven Break In oil, first. I use Driven cam paste and VR1 for everything else. 
Bob


You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:15?PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Got a reground cam in the mail over the weekend. At the risk of sparking another oil debate, I?ve attached their oil warning and recommendations.
> 
> Interesting in what oils are not listed, specifically VR1 20-50 racing oil which I?ve been using with great results for over 14 years in multiple cars/engines.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed Dec 20 09:02:18 2023
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 11:02:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
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I used VR-1 oil as well and during the last rebuild, the bearings could
have been reused (didn't). The cam (journal end, not the lobes) did have
wear, but I think it came from a soft, "new chilled" blank, not the oil.
Here's a nice chart from Speedway motors with zinc by brand, even ones they
don't sell. VR-1 is good, just not the highest concentration on the list.

https://static.speedwaymotors.com/images/SMI-Oil-Chart.pdf

[image: cams side by side.jpg]

mike h

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 12:15?AM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Got a reground cam in the mail over the weekend. At the risk of sparking
> another oil debate, I?ve attached their oil warning and recommendations.
>
> Interesting in what oils are not listed, specifically VR1 20-50 racing oil
> which I?ve been using with great results for over 14 years in multiple
> cars/engines.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Greg
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Dec 20 09:20:43 2023
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Wed Dec 20 09:54:24 2023
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 08:54:24 -0800
Subject: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
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Advice below is very good, Joe Gibbs Driven is excellent oil.  I use the break in oil for an hour or two on the stand, or a couple of track sessions, the switch to the Driven 30 wt.  These new oils (well not new but modern) are awesome and flow at low temps and protect at high.   No need for the 20-40/20-50?s of Christmas past.  For both coolant temps and oil temps on cold track days I just tape the grill.

Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to All, lets all toast Kas with a glass of Cheer this Holiday, he is missed.

Ken

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From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 6:17 AM
To: Greg Blake
Cc: Fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] isky oil recommendations

Greg,
That page is loaded with good advice. I too have had great success with VR1, but on my last new racing cam, the irreplaceable Larry Young 310,  I used Driven Break In oil, first. I use Driven cam paste and VR1 for everything else. 
Bob


You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Dec 19, 2023, at 11:15?PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Got a reground cam in the mail over the weekend. At the risk of sparking another oil debate, I?ve attached their oil warning and recommendations.
> 
> Interesting in what oils are not listed, specifically VR1 20-50 racing oil which I?ve been using with great results for over 14 years in multiple cars/engines.
> 
> Any thoughts on this?
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
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From ac at camoletti.ch  Wed Dec 20 12:40:25 2023
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 20:40:25 +0100
Subject: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
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Interesting to see the various brands, thanks MIke !

Here is the LUcas chart I just found. The Drag Oil5/20  is at 6795ppm ZDDP !

 

 

De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de Mike Harmuth via Fot
Envoy? : mercredi 20 d?cembre 2023 17:02
? : Greg Blake; FoTTriumph
Objet : Re: [Fot] isky oil recommendations

 

I used VR-1 oil as well and during the last rebuild, the bearings could have been reused (didn't). The cam (journal end, not the lobes) did have wear, but I think it came from a soft, "new chilled" blank, not the oil. Here's a nice chart from Speedway motors with zinc by brand, even ones they don't sell. VR-1 is good, just not the highest concentration on the list.

 

https://static.speedwaymotors.com/images/SMI-Oil-Chart.pdf

 

cams side by side.jpg

 

mike h

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 12:15?AM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Got a reground cam in the mail over the weekend. At the risk of sparking another oil debate, I?ve attached their oil warning and recommendations. 

Interesting in what oils are not listed, specifically VR1 20-50 racing oil which I?ve been using with great results for over 14 years in multiple cars/engines. 

Any thoughts on this?

Greg
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Wed Dec 20 13:34:57 2023
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 15:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
In-Reply-To: <001b01da337c$613f2360$23bd6a20$@camoletti.ch>
References: <28399E11-FCD1-4930-849A-DA30EE8B9911@icloud.com>
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6795 ppm?
Crikey!!!  That's a lot of zddp! There must be something with the JR
Dragster engines that needs a ton of it!

My understanding is that when it comes to ZDDP;  more than enough is a bad
thing!

In addition, a true break in oil has ZDDP that breaks down faster than in a
regular race oil.  All ZDDP is not created equal.

For what it's worth, I've had great luck with the Driven BR and GP1 series
of break in oils, along with the PennGrade break in oils in Triumph racing
and street engines.


Jason Sukey
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On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 3:17?PM Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Interesting to see the various brands, thanks MIke !
>
> Here is the LUcas chart I just found. The Drag Oil5/20  is at 6795ppm
> ZDDP !
>
>
>
>
>
> *De :* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *De la part de* Mike
> Harmuth via Fot
> *Envoy? :* mercredi 20 d?cembre 2023 17:02
> *? :* Greg Blake; FoTTriumph
> *Objet :* Re: [Fot] isky oil recommendations
>
>
>
> I used VR-1 oil as well and during the last rebuild, the bearings could
> have been reused (didn't). The cam (journal end, not the lobes) did have
> wear, but I think it came from a soft, "new chilled" blank, not the oil.
> Here's a nice chart from Speedway motors with zinc by brand, even ones they
> don't sell. VR-1 is good, just not the highest concentration on the list.
>
>
>
> https://static.speedwaymotors.com/images/SMI-Oil-Chart.pdf
>
>
>
> [image: cams side by side.jpg]
>
>
>
> mike h
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 12:15?AM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Got a reground cam in the mail over the weekend. At the risk of sparking
> another oil debate, I?ve attached their oil warning and recommendations.
>
> Interesting in what oils are not listed, specifically VR1 20-50 racing oil
> which I?ve been using with great results for over 14 years in multiple
> cars/engines.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Greg
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From krhollar at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 21 11:41:34 2023
From: krhollar at yahoo.com (Ken Hollar)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 18:41:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
References: <934712397.2383702.1703184094238.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <934712397.2383702.1703184094238@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.? Not now however.? Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
I will also need tire recommendations.? Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.

I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.??
Thanks for the help,
Ken HollarSan Diego Area408-655-7569

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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 21 12:40:27 2023
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 19:40:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
In-Reply-To: <934712397.2383702.1703184094238@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <934712397.2383702.1703184094238.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Ken,I run 72 spoke Dayton?s with Hoosier Speedsters on my 3. Wheels are pretty heavy, but very solid. Good grip from the Hoosiers. I think Henry Morrison runs 60 spoke wires on his 3a.?
Jake Jacobsen?


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On Thursday, December 21, 2023, 1:36 PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi All,
I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.? Not now however.? Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
I will also need tire recommendations.? Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.

I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.??
Thanks for the help,
Ken HollarSan Diego Area408-655-7569

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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 12:46:13 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 11:46:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
In-Reply-To: <934712397.2383702.1703184094238@mail.yahoo.com>
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Ken,

Looks like a fun project. Steve Belfer will be your semi-local TR3 expert.

If you plan to run with VARA, you will find the tire and other rules a bit more liberal than SVRA for example.

SVRA has been very accommodating regarding Kastner Cup entries from all over the country, but more restrictive in their own run groups.

I brought my Spitfire back to life after sitting 42 years. It?s a journey?

Would love to know the history on your car!

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2023, at 11:36?AM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi All,
> 
> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
> 
> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
> 
> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.
> 
> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.  
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> 
> Ken Hollar
> San Diego Area
> 408-655-7569
> 
> 
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Thu Dec 21 14:06:07 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:06:07 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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We use 15?  Rota wheels  6? wide.  They are a much cheaper than Panasports but look the same  with 205/60/15 Hoosier Speedsters.  If the group you run with will allow, Toyo R888R 205/50/15 work just as well and are less expensive and last longer.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 21, 2023, at 3:49?PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

? Ken,
I run 72 spoke Dayton?s with Hoosier Speedsters on my 3. Wheels are pretty heavy, but very solid. Good grip from the Hoosiers. I think Henry Morrison runs 60 spoke wires on his 3a.

Jake Jacobsen


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On Thursday, December 21, 2023, 1:36 PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hi All,

I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.

We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?

I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.

I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.

Thanks for the help,

Ken Hollar
San Diego Area
408-655-7569


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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 21 15:03:45 2023
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 22:03:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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If it were me, I?d consider running these VTO wheels that look like the period American racing wheels, on a 3:
https://www.vtowheels.com/1958-1963_c_1774.html?
Dave Gott?



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On Thursday, December 21, 2023, 4:09 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Ken,
Looks like a fun project. Steve Belfer will be your semi-local TR3 expert.
If you plan to run with VARA, you will find the tire and other rules a bit more liberal than SVRA for example.
SVRA has been very accommodating regarding Kastner Cup entries from all over the country, but more restrictive in their own run groups.
I brought my Spitfire back to life after sitting 42 years. It?s a journey?
Would love to know the history on your car!
Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Dec 21, 2023, at 11:36?AM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Hi All,
I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.? Not now however.? Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
I will also need tire recommendations.? Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.

I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.??
Thanks for the help,
Ken HollarSan Diego Area408-655-7569

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 15:09:19 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 16:09:19 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2? over the stock sized wheel as listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2? by 15?s on a TR3. 15x6?s are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2?s. I had to go with Panasport to get 5 1/2?s.



You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi All,
> 
> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
> 
> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
> 
> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.
> 
> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.  
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> 
> Ken Hollar
> San Diego Area
> 408-655-7569
> 
> 
> <IMG_6385.jpg>
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From philhyer at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 16:20:52 2023
From: philhyer at gmail.com (Phil Hyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 18:20:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A
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I second John's advice. I run those wheels and the Toyos on my TR 4 and
they are much less expensive than Panasports and Hoosiers and last longer.
Just check fit the width of the Toyos as they are wider than the Hoosier
tires.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 6:09 PM John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> We use 15?  Rota wheels  6? wide.  They are a much cheaper than Panasports
> but look the same  with 205/60/15 Hoosier Speedsters.  If the group you run
> with will allow, Toyo R888R 205/50/15 work just as well and are less
> expensive and last longer.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 21, 2023, at 3:49?PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ? Ken,
> I run 72 spoke Dayton?s with Hoosier Speedsters on my 3. Wheels are pretty
> heavy, but very solid. Good grip from the Hoosiers. I think Henry Morrison
> runs 60 spoke wires on his 3a.
>
> Jake Jacobsen
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_>
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023, 1:36 PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the
> track since 1979.
>
> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which
> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>
> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info would
> be appreciated.
>
> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next
> year.
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> Ken Hollar
> San Diego Area
> 408-655-7569
>
>
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Dec 21 17:50:01 2023
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 19:50:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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I use VTO wheels with 205/60 15. Rear fenders need to be rolled.  Your car probably has it done.  

Todd Redmond 

> On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:37?PM, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2? over the stock sized wheel as listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2? by 15?s on a TR3. 15x6?s are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2?s. I had to go with Panasport to get 5 1/2?s.
> 
> 
> 
> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
>> 
>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>> 
>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.
>> 
>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.  
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> 
>> Ken Hollar
>> San Diego Area
>> 408-655-7569
>> 
>> 
>> <IMG_6385.jpg>
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Thu Dec 21 18:21:41 2023
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:21:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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Sorry. 15x6

> On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:50?PM, Alfetta95 <alfetta95 at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> <image.png>
> 
> I use VTO wheels with 205/60 15. Rear fenders need to be rolled.  Your car probably has it done.  
> 
> Todd Redmond 
> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:37?PM, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2? over the stock sized wheel as listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2? by 15?s on a TR3. 15x6?s are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2?s. I had to go with Panasport to get 5 1/2?s.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>> 
>>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
>>> 
>>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>>> 
>>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>> 
>>> Ken Hollar
>>> San Diego Area
>>> 408-655-7569
>>> 
>>> 
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu Dec 21 18:25:55 2023
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 19:25:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stars aligned
Message-ID: <AFE05D58-C09D-478D-A7C3-E9F0CFCF3BF2@icloud.com>

Long story that I may share later but the short version is that I?ll likely find myself at Le Mans for my 50th birthday this year. I?m very excited for this trip. My wife and son will be with me while my daughter will be attending an art school La coste. 

So wondering what cool things a Triumph geek should be looking for this summer in France. 

Also, if anyone has a line on a vintage race we could attend or participate in while we are there, I?m all ears. 

10-19 June are tentative days for our trip. 

Greg


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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Dec 21 19:15:24 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 18:15:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A
In-Reply-To: <934712397.2383702.1703184094238@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hello Ken,
The TR looks to have great patina.  I hope to see it up close and in action. 
I have Panasport 5.5" and 6" for my TR3.  5.5" are the rule but 6" haven't been a problem.  It looks like your fenders are massaged to fit even wider wheels and tires.  Steve B. will chime in on this as VARA allows different tires than groups like CSRG and HMSA, or, HSR that organizes the Rolex race at Laguna.  These race groups are more strict about period correct style tires and wheel sizes.  You can look at their websites for specifics.   
The 6" wheels with 185/65/15 Hoosier tires fit the TR3 with stock fenders.  The rears are tight even with rolled edges.  I think a 205/60 will fit.  I raced with Yokohamas.  They rubbed on the leaf springs in hard turns before I modified the springs and installed .25" spacers.  
I prefer the Panasport wheels.  I think they are closest to the original Mini-lite style and are high quality.  I think I paid about $290 a wheel for new ones.  As other have stated, there are a number of options.  Rota is one of them.  The Panasport "style" wheels that Moss sells are another.  Spokes and knock-offs are super period correct of course and very cool.  I just didn't want the added maintenance of spokes and I'm pretty sure a tube is required.  
Best of luck with the car.
Dave H. 
Santa Cruz,CA
831-234-4928
 

> On 12/21/2023 10:41 AM PST Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi All,
>  
> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
>  
> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>  
> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.
>  
> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.  
>  
> Thanks for the help,
>  
> Ken Hollar
> San Diego Area
> 408-655-7569
>  
>  
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Thu Dec 21 21:33:00 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 23:33:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out 
east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When 
Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of 
ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports 
on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I 
switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner 
Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing 
Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the 
narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have 
clearance issues with fenders.

If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up 
close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire 
wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on 
the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims 
and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then, 
video of that would be priceless.

Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the 
original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...

Henry F

On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:

> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as 
> listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's 
> are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to 
> go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
> 
> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the 
>> track since 1979.
>> 
>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which 
>> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>> 
>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info 
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next 
>> year.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> 
>> Ken Hollar

From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 23:22:00 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 22:22:00 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Stars aligned
In-Reply-To: <AFE05D58-C09D-478D-A7C3-E9F0CFCF3BF2@icloud.com>
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I?ve seen videos with Triumphs running at Spa?how cool would it be to make that run through Eau Rouge in your car?

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2023, at 9:47?PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Long story that I may share later but the short version is that I?ll likely find myself at Le Mans for my 50th birthday this year. I?m very excited for this trip. My wife and son will be with me while my daughter will be attending an art school La coste.
> 
> So wondering what cool things a Triumph geek should be looking for this summer in France.
> 
> Also, if anyone has a line on a vintage race we could attend or participate in while we are there, I?m all ears.
> 
> 10-19 June are tentative days for our trip.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 22 06:12:24 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 13:12:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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Message-ID: <45860914.4418287.1703250744173@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi, 

I read all of the replies so far... if your sanctioning body is very strict on wheel width, there were American Racing Le Mans wheels wheels cast in the 5.5 in width back in the day. They were also cast in 6 inch width as well as 7 in, depending on what they were being used for. For reference, TR6 stock wheel width is 5.5 inches.

It just so happens that I have a set of 7 of those 5.5 in wheels sitting in my attic that others in the household would love to see find a good home. I can get pictures of them, but these appear exactly like the VTO LeMans wheels pictured on the VTO web site - except narrower. The wheels I have would need to be cleaned up (media blasted) and sealed, but they are all in good condition with no curb rash at all. I'm in Massachusetts, but they can be shipped pretty reasonably by the usual carriers. Price is negotiable, but it would score me points if they move to a new home. ;-)

You would have to get the mounting hardware - these wheels use a barrel-style lugnut and washer, but those are easy to get via Summit Racing or other suppliers.
Regards,Bob Lang339-927-4489

    On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 02:42:31 PM EST, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi All,
I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.? Not now however.? Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
I will also need tire recommendations.? Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.

I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.??
Thanks for the help,
Ken HollarSan Diego Area408-655-7569

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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Dec 22 07:48:01 2023
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 09:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Dec 22 08:08:04 2023
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 10:08:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Engine Block color
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For years I used Eastwood Satin Chassis Black and never had issues. Probably added another .001HP in performance. I used satin as opposed to gloss because it showed any leaks better. Ask 50 people and you?ll get 75 answers, some may even know what they?re talking about!

 

Merry Christmas to all!

 

Russ

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:21 AM
To: Rod Pierce <rpierce141 at gmail.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block color

 

Just regular rustoleum. I have no issues with peeling or flaking, but this is a race engine- it probably gets tanked/stripped every couple years. 

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On Dec 20, 2023, at 6:31?AM, Rod Pierce <rpierce141 at gmail.com <mailto:rpierce141 at gmail.com> > wrote:

?

I'm not too far away from painting my block as well.  

 

Just to verify, you are just using the common Rust-Oleum, not a high heat version?

 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 12:46 AM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I would think that some people choose black to HIDE the leaks?. Like the factory obviously wanted to do?  LOL.  Gloss black is by far the worst/best for this?  which I instantly regretted after trying to pinpoint a leak.   Determining the leak is ?everywhere? seemed to be correct at the time.  Good plan with the light colors.

 

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On Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 11:05 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Good idea.  Think I?ll tell them this Rustoleum Yellow.  Similar to the Car and as you say, easy to see leaks, etc?

 



 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 4:48 PM
To: Dave Riddle
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block color

 

I believe black was the factory color for all models, but for a race car I?m a big fan of a lighter color.  Mine are always just rustoleum gray (boring) but the benefit is it is easy to see oil leaks, see what you are working on in poor light, etc.  any of the colors you suggest would be way  better than black for this purpose.  I will say that rustoleum holds up real well to heat, doesn?t need perfect surface prep, etc.

 

On Dec 19, 2023, at 6:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

Sounds like I might get my motor back from the Machine Shop this week. When I talked to them they asked if I wanted the Block painted.  I?m not sure.  Factory motors were semi-gloss black as I remember but I do have a spare motor I have had since 1996 when I bought my car from Bob Schaller?s widow and the block on that motor is Red. I?m thinking that might be interesting or even paint it the Yellow or Green of the Car as I have some left over from when the Car was painted

 

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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 08:11:49 2023
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 10:11:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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Hi Henry, since I switched from the Hoosier Vintage TD bias ply tires, I?ve been running the 185/65R15 Hoosier Speedsters. I also use the 15? ROTA Mini look-a-like wheels.  A better value than the Panasports, and they have held up well.

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319




> On Dec 21, 2023, at 11:33 PM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have clearance issues with fenders.
> 
> If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then, video of that would be priceless.
> 
> Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...
> 
> Henry F
> 
> On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:
> 
>> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
>> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the track since 1979.
>>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info would be appreciated.
>>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next year.
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>> Ken Hollar
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 08:33:16 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 09:33:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?For_the_fun_of_it=E2=80=A6=2E=2EPeter_Brock=2E__?=
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FOT 

Last Summer, Peter Brock was our guest for the Kastner Cup at Road America.

The TR250k was there, of course. About 50 yards away was a replica Daytona Coupe.

  PHOTO OP!

PHOTO by Sean Frank with digital support from David Townsend.

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Dec 22 09:03:07 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:03:07 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
In-Reply-To: <f35ce6cd080b00123e57526dd8280273@tr4racer.com>
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Henry, Original wheels for TR3A through 4A were 4.5" + l.5" = 6"



?
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Of Counsel
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P.O. Box 488
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 11:33 PM
To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A

Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have clearance issues with fenders.

If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then, video of that would be priceless.

Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...

Henry F

On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:

> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as 
> listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's 
> are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to 
> go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
> 
> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the 
>> track since 1979.
>> 
>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which 
>> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>> 
>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info 
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next 
>> year.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> 
>> Ken Hollar
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 11:20:59 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:20:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Dec 22 13:16:57 2023
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 15:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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I stand corrected. Hoosier's narrower Speedster is 185X65R15, not a 195. 
And while my '56 TR3 most certainly came with 4 inch wide wheels, nobody 
will question if I showed up with 6 inch wide wheels.

On 2023-12-22 11:03, John H. Hasty wrote:
> Henry, Original wheels for TR3A through 4A were 4.5" + l.5" = 6"

From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 15:15:29 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:15:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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Not according to the SCCA, which is what most vintage organizations refer you to in their rules. 
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You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Dec 22, 2023, at 3:13?PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Henry, Original wheels for TR3A through 4A were 4.5" + l.5" = 6"
> 
> 
> 
>  
> John H. Hasty
> Of Counsel
> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
> 301 S. York St.,
> P.O. Box 488
> Gastonia, NC 28053
> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
> mhc-law.com | jhasty at mhc-law.com
>  
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 11:33 PM
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A
> 
> Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have clearance issues with fenders.
> 
> If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then, video of that would be priceless.
> 
> Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...
> 
> Henry F
> 
>> On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:
>> 
>> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as
>> listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's
>> are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to
>> go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
>> 
>> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the
>>> track since 1979.
>>> 
>>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which
>>> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>>> 
>>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info
>>> would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next
>>> year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>> 
>>> Ken Hollar
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Dec 22 15:27:16 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 22:27:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
In-Reply-To: <FC52C120-C394-4015-903D-F615EC6F592B@gmail.com>
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Ah such are the source for race rules? Moss specs say 4.5 after the early TS   Numbers? who is right?? maybe we should consult the ghost?s of the past.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2023, at 5:15?PM, Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Not according to the SCCA, which is what most vintage organizations refer you to in their rules.
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You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Dec 22, 2023, at 3:13?PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?Henry, Original wheels for TR3A through 4A were 4.5" + l.5" = 6"
>
>
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Of Counsel
> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
> 301 S. York St.,
> P.O. Box 488
> Gastonia, NC 28053
> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
> mhc-law.com | jhasty at mhc-law.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 11:33 PM
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A
>
> Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have clearance issues with fenders.
>
> If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then, video of that would be priceless.
>
> Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...
>
> Henry F
>
>> On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:
>>
>> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as
>> listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's
>> are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to
>> go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
>>
>> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the
>>> track since 1979.
>>>
>>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which
>>> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>>>
>>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info
>>> would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next
>>> year.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>>
>>> Ken Hollar
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 16:41:30 2023
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:41:30 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Dec 22 17:56:07 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 00:56:07 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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Neat? we have 3 sets labeled 5.5 & 1 set labeled 6 and I can?t measure any difference on the wheel bead, but the offset looks different? as you say does it really make any difference?we all should focus on our driving skills? these really make a difference!
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:41?PM, Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:

? Well, my club and others simply say that our car must adhere to the 1972 GCR and PCS, which says 1 1/2? over the ?standard?, which is listed in the PCS. It also allows for a 2? change in track that combined with the inch and a half wheel width adjustment does not exceed a 2? wider track width. Most 6? wheels add the extra width to the outside, using up all the allowable track width, while the 5.5? would use a spacer to get there. In my mind running a 6? wheel isn't a big deal but the tech shed might disagree.

BTW, rules Ialso say stock diameter. I think Triumph TR guys do a better job in sticking close to these rules, as compared to 13? and 14? competitors that are often seen with a plus size wheels!


You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

On Dec 22, 2023, at 4:27?PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:

? Ah such are the source for race rules? Moss specs say 4.5 after the early TS   Numbers? who is right?? maybe we should consult the ghost?s of the past.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2023, at 5:15?PM, Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Not according to the SCCA, which is what most vintage organizations refer you to in their rules.
<image.png>



You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Dec 22, 2023, at 3:13?PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?Henry, Original wheels for TR3A through 4A were 4.5" + l.5" = 6"
>
>
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Of Counsel
> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
> 301 S. York St.,
> P.O. Box 488
> Gastonia, NC 28053
> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
> mhc-law.com | jhasty at mhc-law.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 11:33 PM
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A
>
> Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have clearance issues with fenders.
>
> If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then, video of that would be priceless.
>
> Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...
>
> Henry F
>
>> On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:
>>
>> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as
>> listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's
>> are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to
>> go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
>>
>> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the
>>> track since 1979.
>>>
>>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which
>>> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>>>
>>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info
>>> would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next
>>> year.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>>
>>> Ken Hollar
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Dec 22 19:23:42 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 21:23:42 -0500
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 23 09:29:42 2023
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 11:29:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
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Looking in the Original Triumph TR book, it shows that at TS1869 in May 1954, wheels were changed from 4? to 4.5?.  JoeB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:39 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Ah such are the source for race rules? Moss specs say 4.5 after the early TS   Numbers? who is right?? maybe we should consult the ghost?s of the past.
> Sent from my iPhone

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From afterapex at gmail.com  Sat Dec 23 13:27:13 2023
From: afterapex at gmail.com (greg powell)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:27:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
In-Reply-To: <FC52C120-C394-4015-903D-F615EC6F592B@gmail.com>
References: <FC52C120-C394-4015-903D-F615EC6F592B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12228914-3E01-42EC-B9D3-572704B70DF0@gmail.com>

Add to that spec sheet the following from 1967 GCR:
1.2.B.2: ?The use of any wheels of the same diameter and with a rim no more than 1.5 inches wider than the standard wheel listed by SCCA for the automobile.  Changes in track resulting from the above wheels may not exceed plus or minus 2 inches from the track dimensions listed by SCCA for the automobile. Furthermore, the track dimensions shall remain equally disposed from the centerline of the automobile.
Same for 1972 GCR; prior to 1967 wheels could not be wider.  


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:44?PM, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?Not according to the SCCA, which is what most vintage organizations refer you to in their rules.
<image.png>



You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Dec 22, 2023, at 3:13?PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Henry, Original wheels for TR3A through 4A were 4.5" + l.5" = 6"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John H. Hasty
> Of Counsel
> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
> 301 S. York St.,
> P.O. Box 488
> Gastonia, NC 28053
> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
> mhc-law.com | jhasty at mhc-law.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 11:33 PM
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A
> 
> Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have clearance issues with fenders.
> 
> If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then, video of that would be priceless.
> 
> Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...
> 
> Henry F
> 
>> On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:
>> 
>> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as
>> listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's
>> are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to
>> go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
>> 
>> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the
>>> track since 1979.
>>> 
>>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which
>>> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>>> 
>>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info
>>> would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next
>>> year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>> 
>>> Ken Hollar
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sat Dec 23 19:21:49 2023
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 02:21:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959  TR3A
In-Reply-To: <12228914-3E01-42EC-B9D3-572704B70DF0@gmail.com>
References: <FC52C120-C394-4015-903D-F615EC6F592B@gmail.com>
 <12228914-3E01-42EC-B9D3-572704B70DF0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR15MB45521DF6AEE8BC504CB89041E19AA@SJ0PR15MB4552.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

But what color should the hood prop rod be???

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of greg powell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 2:27:13 PM
To: Bob Kramer Gmail <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
Cc: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A

Add to that spec sheet the following from 1967 GCR:
1.2.B.2: ?The use of any wheels of the same diameter and with a rim no more than 1.5 inches wider than the standard wheel listed by SCCA for the automobile.  Changes in track resulting from the above wheels may not exceed plus or minus 2 inches from the track dimensions listed by SCCA for the automobile. Furthermore, the track dimensions shall remain equally disposed from the centerline of the automobile.
Same for 1972 GCR; prior to 1967 wheels could not be wider.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:44?PM, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?Not according to the SCCA, which is what most vintage organizations refer you to in their rules.
<image.png>



You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.

> On Dec 22, 2023, at 3:13?PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?Henry, Original wheels for TR3A through 4A were 4.5" + l.5" = 6"
>
>
>
>
> John H. Hasty
> Of Counsel
> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
> 301 S. York St.,
> P.O. Box 488
> Gastonia, NC 28053
> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
> mhc-law.com | jhasty at mhc-law.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 11:33 PM
> To: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Need Racing Wheels Advice 1959 TR3A
>
> Bob Kramer is spot on, we play by the 1 1/2" over stock rule here out east, and for a TR3 that means your are limited at 5 1/2" width. When Bill Dentinger finally stopped running (and cracking!) his collection of ARE Silverstones on Old Blue, he put a set of the 5 1/2 X 15 Panasports on the '56 TR3. He ran Hoosier Vintage TD's, and when I got the car I switched to Hoosier Speedsters. Knowing Jeff Snook won a pair of Kastner Cups with his TR3A running 195X65R15 Speedsters, and remembering hearing Kas compliment Jeff on his choice for tire size, I went with the narrower tire. It fits the 5 1/2" wheel better, plus I don't have clearance issues with fenders.
>
> If you had witnessed Don Brick and the red wire wheels on his TR4 up close and at speed, you also would never go on track at speed on wire wheels. With sticky race tires, the front hubs followed Don's hands on the wheel, but the spokes flexed so much you could plainly see the rims and tires lagging behind! I wish we had cheap in-car cameras back then, video of that would be priceless.
>
> Now all I need to do is mention Bob Wismer, and there we have it, the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team! I miss you guys...
>
> Henry F
>
>> On 2023-12-21 17:09, Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot wrote:
>>
>> I think most vintage clubs use 1 1/2" over the stock sized wheel as
>> listed in the SCCA PCS. That would be 5 1/2" by 15"s on a TR3. 15x6's
>> are easy to find with multiple styles but not the 15x5 1/2's. I had to
>> go with Panasport to get 5 1/2's.
>>
>> You only get one chance at life, make it a TRIUMPH.
>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:46?PM, Ken Hollar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I am restoring to racing condition a 1959 TR3A which has not seen the
>>> track since 1979.
>>>
>>> We used to run TR6 wheels back in the day.  Not now however.  Which
>>> Brands, Types and Sizes are successfully being used these days?
>>>
>>> I will also need tire recommendations.  Brand, Style and Size info
>>> would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> I am trying to get the car to the Kasner Cup at Sonoma in April next
>>> year.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>>
>>> Ken Hollar
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 08:19:53 2023
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 09:19:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] One Owner TR3A available for sale.
Message-ID: <755683DC-F4BE-455B-88E8-2ADDF75E19BA@gmail.com>

I?ll try FOT first.

Jane drove TS59xxxL away from Port of Entry in 1961 when she was 19. She is now about 82 and is becoming disabled.  

She reached out to me yesterday, asking my help. She says ?refurbished bumper to bumper in 1995?.   Any serious buyers out there?

Driven last about three weeks ago. 

Please contact me directly if you have a serious interest. 

Thanks,

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It?s in the Phoenix area. 
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
ARE  LLC
Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Dec 25 09:31:41 2023
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 10:31:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
References: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C.ref@cs.com>
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Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
Alexander Racing Ent.
Website: Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From 4msonset at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 10:00:08 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 09:00:08 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
In-Reply-To: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
References: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
Message-ID: <697EA627-A32A-4BD2-9CEB-E6CC31A137C1@gmail.com>

?Pour one out for one of our favorite vendors. Not a very merry Christmas for them this morning. Reports are that it's a total loss.?

Fire at The Roadster Factory : Spitfire & GT6 Forum : The Triumph Experience

https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/fire-at-the-roadster-factory.2016576/

> On Dec 25, 2023, at 8:49 AM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> Alexander Racing Ent.
> Website: Gasketinnovations.com
> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
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From tr4jay at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 10:18:53 2023
From: tr4jay at gmail.com (Jay Galbreath)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:18:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
In-Reply-To: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
References: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C.ref@cs.com>
 <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
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I can't find any confirmation online!

On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 12:06?PM JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> Alexander Racing Ent.
> Website: Gasketinnovations.com
> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
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From emanteno at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 10:27:29 2023
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:27:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
In-Reply-To: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
References: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C.ref@cs.com>
 <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
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https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html

On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 11:20?AM JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> Alexander Racing Ent.
> Website: Gasketinnovations.com
> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Mon Dec 25 10:44:00 2023
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:44:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
In-Reply-To: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
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 <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
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Oh no, that is horrible news.  Very sad.? I hope that everyone there is safe.

John
?





On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 10:31:41 -0600, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
Alexander Racing Ent.
Website: Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell: 319.464.4711

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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 11:21:11 2023
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 13:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
In-Reply-To: <697EA627-A32A-4BD2-9CEB-E6CC31A137C1@gmail.com>
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Terrible News & our thoughts and prayers for Albert & the TRF staff.

> On Dec 25, 2023, at 13:00, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ?Pour one out for one of our favorite vendors. Not a very merry Christmas for them this morning. Reports are that it's a total loss.?
> 
> Fire at The Roadster Factory : Spitfire & GT6 Forum : The Triumph Experience
> 
> https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/fire-at-the-roadster-factory.2016576/
> 
>>> On Dec 25, 2023, at 8:49 AM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> Alexander Racing Ent.
>> Website: Gasketinnovations.com
>> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
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From tr4jay at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 11:27:16 2023
From: tr4jay at gmail.com (Jay Galbreath)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 13:27:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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References: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
 <697EA627-A32A-4BD2-9CEB-E6CC31A137C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACh__A=AURMNmJE6PAz15WfA08Q-s0DiuctLoY8ivJgGiEwg-w@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XdjWOVPBc

On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 1:20?PM J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> ?Pour one out for one of our favorite vendors. Not a very merry Christmas
> for them this morning. Reports are that it's a total loss.?
>
> Fire at The Roadster Factory : Spitfire & GT6 Forum : The Triumph
> Experience
>
>
> https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/fire-at-the-roadster-factory.2016576/
>
> On Dec 25, 2023, at 8:49 AM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> <image0.jpeg>
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> Alexander Racing Ent.
> Website: Gasketinnovations.com
> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
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From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 25 11:27:37 2023
From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 18:27:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
In-Reply-To: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C@cs.com>
References: <125CC3F2-BD79-4079-9AA3-07F83AE6274C.ref@cs.com>
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 That is so sad to hear.? The late Charles Runyon and his company are responsible for many thousands of Triumph sports cars being on the road today.? I know, I have two of them that were basically junk when I got them and thanks to The Roadster Factory have given me 40 years of fun.? I wasn't just their normally available parts, it was their dedication to the hobby and trying to make every nut and bolt available to restorers and maintainers.? We will all be poorer for the loss.? My heart goes out to Albert and Company.
    On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 12:16:52 PM EST, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
Alexander Racing Ent.
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From dmar823 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 12:09:21 2023
From: dmar823 at gmail.com (Don Marshall)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:09:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/indiana-county-fire/vi-AA1m1dmq

On Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 11:53 AM Jay Galbreath via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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> I can't find any confirmation online!
>
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> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> Alexander Racing Ent.
>> Website: Gasketinnovations.com
>> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 12:40:32 2023
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:40:32 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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If it?s a total loss?.

special NLS factory tools
custom jigs and tooling
cores
patterns
machines, some likely unique
countless parts (from decades of buyouts of closing dealers and original suppliers, from custom manufactured runs, etc.)
CNC machines
Were computer files backed up offsite?
Talented staff that may not be able to return after a long hiatus.
etc. etc. etc.

My gut sadly suspects they won?t recover.  

I remember buying parts from their first catalog. (in the late 70s?)  I even had a job offer from Paul Runyan around 1984ish that came a couple months after my inquiry when I was looking to leave California.  Having not heard back in so long, I had moved anyway, but I remained in the sunbelt.  (I returned to California in 1989.)

?Justin 










> a On Dec 25, 2023, at 8:49 AM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
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> Alexander Racing Ent.
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> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
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From rick.parent at att.net  Mon Dec 25 12:44:57 2023
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 19:44:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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Oh no, that's horrible. I hope no one was hurt!

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From steve at artwithcars.com  Mon Dec 25 12:55:09 2023
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:55:09 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Mon Dec 25 13:50:24 2023
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 20:50:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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Sad news, saw online the business looks to be total loss.? Pictures are depressing.My thoughts to Albert an all the TRF members.
Bob T    On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 01:13:33 PM EST, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 ?Pour one out for one of our favorite vendors. Not a very merry Christmas for them this morning. Reports are that it's a total loss.?
Fire at The Roadster Factory : Spitfire & GT6 Forum : The Triumph Experience
https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/fire-at-the-roadster-factory.2016576/

On Dec 25, 2023, at 8:49 AM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?<image0.jpeg>
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
Alexander Racing Ent.
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Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Mon Dec 25 20:01:34 2023
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 22:01:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ROADSTER FACTORY BURNED TO GROUND TODAY 12/25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XdjWOVPBc

 

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Dec 26 01:38:56 2023
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 08:38:56 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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That might be funny if it wasn?t so tragic. [?] [?]

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Steven Belfer via Fot
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 1:55 PM
To: Irv Korey <emanteno at gmail.com>
Cc: JOSEPH ALEXANDER <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.

It started in the Lucas wiring harness section
~Steve



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https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html

On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 11:20?AM JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
Alexander Racing Ent.
Website: Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com<mailto:N197tr4 at cs.com>
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 13:54:38 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 12:54:38 -0800
Subject: [Fot] ROADSTER FACTORY BURNED TO GROUND TODAY 12/25
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Apparently a total loss.

Brad Eells
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From fhoustonsmith at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 06:39:04 2023
From: fhoustonsmith at gmail.com (F.Houston Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 08:39:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] ROADSTER FACTORY BURNED TO GROUND TODAY 12/25
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Extremely sad! Weirdly, for me it's felt like I lost an old friend.
Houston Smith

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 19:38:33 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 18:38:33 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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It is indeed horrible news for those of us who seek parts Moss does not 
carry. But it has got to be immediate for those of us in the middle of a 
transaction. Parts paid for but not yet shipped and the computers with 
info about the transaction up in smoke.

I find myself wondering about their side curtain rebuilding shop. 
Customer's factory original side curtains waiting to be rebuilt. Were 
they stored and rebuilt in the same building or in a different location? 
I had mine rebuilt a little over a year ago. Very high quality work. I 
hope customer side curtain frames are someplace else and can be finished.

Maybe there is special tooling used to make TRF parts located at other 
companies where special parts were manufactured for TRF? What might 
happen to anything located in different locations? I'm thankful I have 
my rebuilt side curtains and the frames are not still sitting at TRF. 
But what about others?

TeriAnn


From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 23:14:29 2023
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 22:14:29 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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The family has yet to speak about the tragic event.

I understand the local newspaper may have secured an interview with Albert that may take place in the next few days. 

I believe that TRF policy was not to charge orders until they were ready to ship, do this seems to be a limited issue.

What happens to all the specialty products and their manufacture remains to be seen.

Perhaps our community can give the Runyan family more than one day to process this disaster before demanding answers?

Brad Eells
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> On Dec 27, 2023, at 8:23?PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?It is indeed horrible news for those of us who seek parts Moss does not carry. But it has got to be immediate for those of us in the middle of a transaction. Parts paid for but not yet shipped and the computers with info about the transaction up in smoke.
> 
> I find myself wondering about their side curtain rebuilding shop. Customer's factory original side curtains waiting to be rebuilt. Were they stored and rebuilt in the same building or in a different location? I had mine rebuilt a little over a year ago. Very high quality work. I hope customer side curtain frames are someplace else and can be finished.
> 
> Maybe there is special tooling used to make TRF parts located at other companies where special parts were manufactured for TRF? What might happen to anything located in different locations? I'm thankful I have my rebuilt side curtains and the frames are not still sitting at TRF. But what about others?
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Dec 28 06:49:19 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 08:49:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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The loss of material items is bad enough, but truly sad to lose such a customer oriented vendor. During the 2018 PVGP I had the canister oil filter gasket go bad. I drove to TRF where I not only bought a dozen proper gaskets, but they were gracious enough to let me change the filter and gasket in their back lot.  One of them even came out to see if all was going well. You don?t find that kind of helpful attitude at every shop. 
They will be missed until they hopefully rebuild.
Phil Gott

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> On Dec 28, 2023, at 2:57?AM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The family has yet to speak about the tragic event.
> 
> I understand the local newspaper may have secured an interview with Albert that may take place in the next few days.
> 
> I believe that TRF policy was not to charge orders until they were ready to ship, do this seems to be a limited issue.
> 
> What happens to all the specialty products and their manufacture remains to be seen.
> 
> Perhaps our community can give the Runyan family more than one day to process this disaster before demanding answers?
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2023, at 8:23?PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?It is indeed horrible news for those of us who seek parts Moss does not carry. But it has got to be immediate for those of us in the middle of a transaction. Parts paid for but not yet shipped and the computers with info about the transaction up in smoke.
>> 
>> I find myself wondering about their side curtain rebuilding shop. Customer's factory original side curtains waiting to be rebuilt. Were they stored and rebuilt in the same building or in a different location? I had mine rebuilt a little over a year ago. Very high quality work. I hope customer side curtain frames are someplace else and can be finished.
>> 
>> Maybe there is special tooling used to make TRF parts located at other companies where special parts were manufactured for TRF? What might happen to anything located in different locations? I'm thankful I have my rebuilt side curtains and the frames are not still sitting at TRF. But what about others?
>> 
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From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 28 10:21:40 2023
From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 17:21:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Roadster Factory Burned last night.
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 On a similar note, years ago during one of the TRA conventions in Greensburg while doing the Fun Rally my TR4A water pump impeller shaft decided it had had enough and packed it in.? I limped into the Roadster Factory for the picnic and Charles and John Swager opened the company for me to get a new pump.? I just took everything I thought I would need, they loaned me a floor jack (to lift the engine enough to so the pully would clear the crossmember enough to remove Triumph's industrial strength fan belt) and scrounged up some antifreeze to replace what I had lost.? I changed the pump in their parking lot.? There were no questions about payment and they just sent me a bill later on for the pump plus the other parts.? I have been buying from the Roadster Factory since Charles was running the operation from his father's house and could always count on them for quality parts and advice, not to mention their support for the hobby in general!!? I hope they are able to rebuild the business.??
    On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 10:27:34 AM EST, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The loss of material items is bad enough, but truly sad to lose such a customer oriented vendor. During the 2018 PVGP I had the canister oil filter gasket go bad. I drove to TRF where I not only bought a dozen proper gaskets, but they were gracious enough to let me change the filter and gasket in their back lot.? One of them even came out to see if all was going well. You don?t find that kind of helpful attitude at every shop. 
They will be missed until they hopefully rebuild.
Phil Gott

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> On Dec 28, 2023, at 2:57?AM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The family has yet to speak about the tragic event.
> 
> I understand the local newspaper may have secured an interview with Albert that may take place in the next few days.
> 
> I believe that TRF policy was not to charge orders until they were ready to ship, do this seems to be a limited issue.
> 
> What happens to all the specialty products and their manufacture remains to be seen.
> 
> Perhaps our community can give the Runyan family more than one day to process this disaster before demanding answers?
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2023, at 8:23?PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?It is indeed horrible news for those of us who seek parts Moss does not carry. But it has got to be immediate for those of us in the middle of a transaction. Parts paid for but not yet shipped and the computers with info about the transaction up in smoke.
>> 
>> I find myself wondering about their side curtain rebuilding shop. Customer's factory original side curtains waiting to be rebuilt. Were they stored and rebuilt in the same building or in a different location? I had mine rebuilt a little over a year ago. Very high quality work. I hope customer side curtain frames are someplace else and can be finished.
>> 
>> Maybe there is special tooling used to make TRF parts located at other companies where special parts were manufactured for TRF? What might happen to anything located in different locations? I'm thankful I have my rebuilt side curtains and the frames are not still sitting at TRF. But what about others?
>> 
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From Dave at microworks.net  Thu Dec 28 20:31:07 2023
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 20:31:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Getting the Motor back tomorrow!
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650A3EE031ECA2@mainserver>

After pulling the motor last January, waiting until May for the Machine Shop to have room to take it and then waiting until July for them to get started on the teardown the wait is over. Get the TR3's motor back tomorrow!  As discussed on here decided to have it painted a similar yellow as the car to make it very easy to spot any leaks. Plus the engine bay should not be a dark hole with all the reflected light off the motor

Machine Shop sent me this pix this evening

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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 21:10:16 2023
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 22:10:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Getting the Motor back tomorrow!
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Thumbs up to the color choice..

On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 9:44?PM Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> After pulling the motor last January, waiting until May for the Machine
> Shop to have room to take it and then waiting until July for them to get
> started on the teardown the wait is over. Get the TR3's motor back
> tomorrow!  As discussed on here decided to have it painted a similar yellow
> as the car to make it very easy to spot any leaks. Plus the engine bay
> should not be a dark hole with all the reflected light off the motor
>
>
>
> Machine Shop sent me this pix this evening
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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From steve at artwithcars.com  Thu Dec 28 21:14:27 2023
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 20:14:27 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Getting the Motor back tomorrow!
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Dec 30 14:07:46 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 16:07:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Non-Triumph suspension component question
Message-ID: <51DDE12C-52EC-4431-8F96-CC541BBC750D@me.com>

I?m working on an old sports racer. The front uprights use a lower ball joint I?m hoping someone will recognize. It has a capital N in a circle and three triangles stamped on it. 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sat Dec 30 18:51:04 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 20:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Non-Triumph suspension component question
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Scott;
As a pure guess, I would call Pegasus to see if they can provide a replacement as they cater to ?specialty? race cars. 
Phil


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2023, at 4:33?PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m working on an old sports racer. The front uprights use a lower ball joint I?m hoping someone will recognize. It has a capital N in a circle and three triangles stamped on it.
> Any ideas?
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sat Dec 30 19:33:46 2023
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 02:33:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Non-Triumph suspension component question
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The year that the car was built might help as well.



?
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Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
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P.O. Box 488
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Philip Gott via Fot
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 8:51 PM
To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-Triumph suspension component question

Scott;
As a pure guess, I would call Pegasus to see if they can provide a replacement as they cater to ?specialty? race cars. 
Phil


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> On Dec 30, 2023, at 4:33?PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m working on an old sports racer. The front uprights use a lower ball joint I?m hoping someone will recognize. It has a capital N in a circle and three triangles stamped on it.
> Any ideas?
> <IMG_2569.jpeg>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Dec 30 19:42:47 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 18:42:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective YouTube video
Message-ID: <1620313250.1146190.1703990567688@connect.xfinity.com>

This video from a couple years ago, shows the reality of this terrible loss.  
Respectfully,
Dave H.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxL_5sp9El8
 
 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Dec 30 20:40:24 2023
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 22:40:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Non-Triumph suspension component question
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Hi, John, good point. Built in 1972. It seems a lot of limited production racers used parts from other vehicles, so this one, for example, has ATE brake calipers, but mystery two piece brake rotors (which of course don?t match the dimensions of anything Pegasus sells), front stub axles from who-knows-what and aluminum front hubs that match the brake rotor centers, no manufacturer markings.

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> On Dec 30, 2023, at 9:33?PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The year that the car was built might help as well.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> John H. Hasty
> Of Counsel
> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
> 301 S. York St.,
> P.O. Box 488
> Gastonia, NC 28053
> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
> mhc-law.com | jhasty at mhc-law.com
>  
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Philip Gott via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 8:51 PM
> To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Non-Triumph suspension component question
> 
> Scott;
> As a pure guess, I would call Pegasus to see if they can provide a replacement as they cater to ?specialty? race cars.
> Phil
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 4:33?PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m working on an old sports racer. The front uprights use a lower ball joint I?m hoping someone will recognize. It has a capital N in a circle and three triangles stamped on it.
>> Any ideas?
>> <IMG_2569.jpeg>
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Sat Dec 30 21:07:27 2023
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (hankgiffin at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 23:07:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective YouTube video
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I had no idea of the size of the operation.  Sad that all those folks lost work at the holidays.  Thx, Hank

 

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE via Fot
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 9:43 PM
To: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective YouTube video

 

This video from a couple years ago, shows the reality of this terrible loss.   

Respectfully, 

Dave H. 

  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxL_5sp9El8 

  

  

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From rpierce141 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 14:05:02 2023
From: rpierce141 at gmail.com (Rod Pierce)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 16:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ford Truck Axles
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Here is an update on my axle search.

I removed my axles for some other maintenance and took some pictures.

If someone can tell me what these were made from I would appreciate it.



On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 7:29 AM Rod Pierce <rpierce141 at gmail.com> wrote:

> When I bought my first Spitfire the previous owner told me the axles were
> made from Ford truck axles (he was told that when he bought the car).
>
> Has anyone heard of doing that before?   The axles I have are very robust
> (no nut) and I am trying to see if it is even possible to make another set.
>
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From jason at jsperformancemotoring.com  Sun Dec 31 14:48:35 2023
From: jason at jsperformancemotoring.com (JS Performance Motoring, LLC)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 16:48:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Ford Truck Axles
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Rod,
     The inner flange and u joint setup looks almost identical to the
Corvair sourced set I have in my street GT6.  The welded on yoke means you
have the "sealed for life" bearing option :-P

The yoke splines onto the axle like to get loose, and I presume the welding
was a temporary fix to tighten them back up.

When I looked, the yokes are not available new.


Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
440.984.7720
jason at jsperformancemotoring.com
https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/


On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 4:26?PM Rod Pierce via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Here is an update on my axle search.
>
> I removed my axles for some other maintenance and took some pictures.
>
> If someone can tell me what these were made from I would appreciate it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 7:29 AM Rod Pierce <rpierce141 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When I bought my first Spitfire the previous owner told me the axles were
>> made from Ford truck axles (he was told that when he bought the car).
>>
>> Has anyone heard of doing that before?   The axles I have are very robust
>> (no nut) and I am trying to see if it is even possible to make another set.
>>
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