From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Jun  1 06:12:48 2022
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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 08:12:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Street TR4 gearbox
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From kkjjk at aol.com  Wed Jun  1 19:37:27 2022
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 01:37:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Helmets
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Hello all-? Question:? Are SA2015 Helmets still legal for racing?? Am I correct in thinking that they are legal for ten years from the 2015 date, therefore until 2025?? Is this assumption true for VRG as well as other sanctioning bodies?? Thanks!-- Jay De Pol
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun  1 19:56:32 2022
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 01:56:32 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Helmets
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Depends on organization, of course, but in most cases yes.

Scott (B.)

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jay De Pol via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 8:37:27 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Helmets

Hello all-  Question:  Are SA2015 Helmets still legal for racing?  Am I correct in thinking that they are legal for ten years from the 2015 date, therefore until 2025?  Is this assumption true for VRG as well as other sanctioning bodies?  Thanks!-- Jay De Pol
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Jun  1 20:12:52 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 22:12:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Helmets
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true for VRG.  Good for ten years. I just replaced my 2010 this year as they seem to give you a year grace period.

On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Depends on organization, of course, but in most cases yes.

Scott (B.)

Scott Barr
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jay De Pol via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 8:37:27 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Helmets
 
Hello all-  Question:  Are SA2015 Helmets still legal for racing?  Am I correct in thinking that they are legal for ten years from the 2015 date, therefore until 2025?  Is this assumption true for VRG as well as other sanctioning bodies?  Thanks!-- Jay De Pol
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Jun  1 22:16:39 2022
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (rocky spitfire4.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 04:16:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Helmets
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The thing about the Snell certification, the Snell Foundation issues the new stickers in October of the cert year (for the SA, K and M anyway). So the 2020 stickers were released to Manufacturers in October 2020. To avoid a land rush for new helmets, many (most?) sanctioning bodies now maintain the "old" standard for one more year (e.g. 2010 was still legal for the 2021 season), requiring the new standard in the second year (e.g. 2022).
Your 2015 helmets should be good through the 2026 season in many/most sanctioning bodies.


eFrom: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:13 PM
To: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Helmets

true for VRG.  Good for ten years. I just replaced my 2010 this year as they seem to give you a year grace period.

On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Depends on organization, of course, but in most cases yes.

Scott (B.)

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Jay De Pol via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
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To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [Fot] Helmets

Hello all-  Question:  Are SA2015 Helmets still legal for racing?  Am I correct in thinking that they are legal for ten years from the 2015 date, therefore until 2025?  Is this assumption true for VRG as well as other sanctioning bodies?  Thanks!-- Jay De Pol
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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Jun  2 08:13:29 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:13:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Helmets
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You?ll need a HANS as well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 12:17 AM, rocky spitfire4.com via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The thing about the Snell certification, the Snell Foundation issues the new stickers in October of the cert year (for the SA, K and M anyway). So the 2020 stickers were released to Manufacturers in October 2020. To avoid a land rush for new helmets, many (most?) sanctioning bodies now maintain the ?old? standard for one more year (e.g. 2010 was still legal for the 2021 season), requiring the new standard in the second year (e.g. 2022).
> Your 2015 helmets should be good through the 2026 season in many/most sanctioning bodies.
>  
>  
> eFrom: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:13 PM
> To: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Helmets
>  
> true for VRG.  Good for ten years. I just replaced my 2010 this year as they seem to give you a year grace period.
>  
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Depends on organization, of course, but in most cases yes.
>  
> Scott (B.)
>  
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jay De Pol via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 8:37:27 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Helmets
>  
> Hello all-  Question:  Are SA2015 Helmets still legal for racing?  Am I correct in thinking that they are legal for ten years from the 2015 date, therefore until 2025?  Is this assumption true for VRG as well as other sanctioning bodies?  Thanks!-- Jay De Pol
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From kkjjk at aol.com  Thu Jun  2 09:19:17 2022
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 15:19:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Helmets
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 Thanks for all of the replies!-- Jay
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: rocky spitfire4.com <rocky at spitfire4.com>
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 2, 2022 10:13 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Helmets

You?ll need a HANS as well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2022, at 12:17 AM, rocky spitfire4.com via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Helmets  ? true for VRG. ?Good for ten years. I just replaced my 2010 this year as they seem to give you a year grace period.  ? On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  ? Depends on organization, of course, but in most cases yes.  ? Scott (B.)  ? Scott Barr
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Subject: [Fot] Helmets  ? Hello all-? Question:? Are SA2015 Helmets still legal for racing?? Am I correct in thinking that they are legal for ten years from the 2015 date, therefore until 2025?? Is this assumption true for VRG as well as other sanctioning bodies?? Thanks!-- Jay De Pol _______________________________________________
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun  3 08:31:03 2022
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:31:03 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Remote oil filter
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Does anyone know who sells the remote oil filter adapter with fitting for oil temp sender for GT6 as pictured in the book by Kas?

The adapter is pictured on page 250 as installed in Chuck Gee?s GT6. 

Thanks

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68 GT6 

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 09:00:17 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 10:00:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Thank you to everyone for the advance Kastner Cup Poster
 Sales.
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FOT,

Because of your generosity, we are able to send Curt Johnston  a few hundred dollars for the KCup Budget.

We also now have the use of a couple vehicles for the Grand Marshall, thus avoiding $500 for golf car rental. 

This is FOT at its best.

Joe Alexander
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Cell:  319.464.4711


From david at sportscarart.com  Fri Jun  3 09:01:50 2022
From: david at sportscarart.com (David Townsend)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 11:01:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thank you to everyone for the advance Kastner Cup Poster
 Sales.
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Awesome!

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 11:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> FOT,
>
> Because of your generosity, we are able to send Curt Johnston  a few
> hundred dollars for the KCup Budget.
>
> We also now have the use of a couple vehicles for the Grand Marshall, thus
> avoiding $500 for golf car rental.
>
> This is FOT at its best.
>
> Joe Alexander
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From igofaster at att.net  Fri Jun  3 09:36:48 2022
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 15:36:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] T50 trani bearings
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 Bearings can be found for the T50 is good news.... no gears though right?Bobby Whitehead
    On Sunday, May 29, 2022, 12:00:42 PM CDT, rek46 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 you can call him at 519 872-7705...work phone...tell him i sent you....rick kristoff

In a message dated 5/29/2022 12:31:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot at autox.team.net writes:?
?How do we get in touch with Jamie Houseman?? ?Bobby Whitehead?On Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:30:57 PM PDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:??Hi friends.? Thanks for the input on finding transmission bearings. Jamie? Houseman in Ontario was able to send me the exact rebuild?kit I need.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? P.J.? ?_______________________________________________
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From igofaster at att.net  Fri Jun  3 09:54:56 2022
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 15:54:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New Nominee
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I'm submitting Jim Moscardini to the FoT to join.. He bought my T50 gearbox and is putting a sweet GT6 together.... Scardidi1 at yahoo.com
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  3 09:55:50 2022
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 15:55:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New Nominee
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 Second!
    On Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:55:07 AM CDT, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I'm submitting Jim Moscardini to the FoT to join.. He bought my T50 gearbox and is putting a sweet GT6 together.... Scardidi1 at yahoo.com
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jun  3 10:55:06 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:55:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup
Message-ID: <96ECF54A-5965-4D0B-BD7A-BD10D86B73B5@me.com>

I?m looking at the entry list and i think a lot of you did what i did- failed to specifically enter the Kastner cup race when you registered. I say this because there are about 37 triumphs entered in the various groups, but only 32 in the kcup .
Contact John Ross and add $50 to enter at 

jrporsche at comcast.net


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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Jun  3 10:56:31 2022
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 10:56:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New Nominee
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You?re gonna drive Henry crazy. :)

Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

> On Jun 3, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Second!
> 
> On Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:55:07 AM CDT, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm submitting Jim Moscardini to the FoT to join.. He bought my T50 gearbox and is putting a sweet GT6 together.... Scardidi1 at yahoo.com
> 
> Bobby Whitehead
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 11:07:39 2022
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 13:07:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New Nominee
In-Reply-To: <FC9858E4-75FE-421D-8E99-669029ADA7A3@comcast.net>
References: <FC9858E4-75FE-421D-8E99-669029ADA7A3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <74BF60FD-B889-4005-958B-1551EB0D67DC@gmail.com>

I think he?s already there!

Chuck

> On Jun 3, 2022, at 12:57 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?You?re gonna drive Henry crazy. :)
> 
> Bud 
> 
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
> 
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Second!
>> 
>> On Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:55:07 AM CDT, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm submitting Jim Moscardini to the FoT to join.. He bought my T50 gearbox and is putting a sweet GT6 together.... Scardidi1 at yahoo.com
>> 
>> Bobby Whitehead
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 11:14:58 2022
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 13:14:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Remote oil filter
In-Reply-To: <39150B9D-F345-4F06-A19D-7BC92326B084@sbcglobal.net>
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Hi Dennis,

I bought it at summit, here?s the link:  https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-23700

It uses the thread size for the Fram HP-1 filter, but you can get others just like it with different thread sizes.  Basically, Ford vs Chevy!

Chuck

> On Jun 3, 2022, at 10:32 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone know who sells the remote oil filter adapter with fitting for oil temp sender for GT6 as pictured in the book by Kas?
> 
> The adapter is pictured on page 250 as installed in Chuck Gee?s GT6. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 68 GT6 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com  Fri Jun  3 17:56:49 2022
From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 19:56:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Remote oil filter
In-Reply-To: <E35E5F69-3E61-4F16-B2F7-E17C5CA9F0E4@gmail.com>
References: <39150B9D-F345-4F06-A19D-7BC92326B084@sbcglobal.net>
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Folks:

You?ll find the WIX 51515 or the NAPA 1515(same rebranded) is a better option for your filter. Wix is consistently top rated in reviews. Not so the FRAM.

Offered as a suggestion. I recommend folks do their own investigation as I did years ago.

 

Summit is an excellent source and if they?re out, contact Jegs

 

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chuck Gee via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:15 PM
To: DENNIS WALJE <walje at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Remote oil filter

 

Hi Dennis,

 

I bought it at summit, here?s the link:  https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-23700

 

It uses the thread size for the Fram HP-1 filter, but you can get others just like it with different thread sizes.  Basically, Ford vs Chevy!

Chuck





On Jun 3, 2022, at 10:32 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?Does anyone know who sells the remote oil filter adapter with fitting for oil temp sender for GT6 as pictured in the book by Kas?

The adapter is pictured on page 250 as installed in Chuck Gee?s GT6. 

Thanks

Dennis Walje
68 GT6 

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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Jun  3 21:02:39 2022
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2022 23:02:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] New Nominee
In-Reply-To: <74BF60FD-B889-4005-958B-1551EB0D67DC@gmail.com>
References: <FC9858E4-75FE-421D-8E99-669029ADA7A3@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <8868b7b376cc927e8823f14bad954a00@tr4racer.com>

Yup, here we go again...

One more time.

--- begin forwarded message

Sent May 29, 2021 by yellow04 at tr4racer.com

As opposed to the nomination process we have been using, we will use a
"sponsorship" process going forward.

First, we have the designations. All FOT members now fall into one of
two categories. Drivers or Crew. Drivers are active and former drivers
who turn (or have turned) the steering wheel in sanctioned competition
in a Triumph or Triumph powered race car. Anyone not falling into that
category will now be referred to as Crew.

Only Drivers can sponsor new members. If the new member is an active or
former driver, it's a done deal, we have a new FOT member. No seconds
needed, we are counting on our existing Driver members to vet the new
folks they sponsor. If a Driver wants to sponsor someone who is not
another driver, i.e. become part of the FOT Crew, or someone who is
actively on the path to becoming a driver in a Triumph they should
submit that request to our membership committee through me.

On 2022-06-03 13:07, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> I think he?s already there!
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2022, at 12:57 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>> ?You?re gonna drive Henry crazy. :)
>> 
>> Bud

From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 21:03:35 2022
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 23:03:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Remote oil filter
In-Reply-To: <39150B9D-F345-4F06-A19D-7BC92326B084@sbcglobal.net>
References: <39150B9D-F345-4F06-A19D-7BC92326B084.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <39150B9D-F345-4F06-A19D-7BC92326B084@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CAG9YvYNJA736AXKTdps7BQ3JqX0kOP_hZ-vfSWOm1Aq7jNjsww@mail.gmail.com>

Without looking at your reference I can offer "BAT
<https://www.batinc.net/#PRODUCTS>" in FL, an importer, lots of versions of
take-off plates and associated accessories etc, I've used them a couple of
times.

Brian

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 10:32 AM DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Does anyone know who sells the remote oil filter adapter with fitting for
> oil temp sender for GT6 as pictured in the book by Kas?
>
> The adapter is pictured on page 250 as installed in Chuck Gee?s GT6.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dennis Walje
> 68 GT6
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  3 23:33:46 2022
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 07:33:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Kastner cup
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Message-ID: <000c01d877d4$aa254150$fe6fc3f0$@gmail.com>

Hi,

is there any list available?
Seems the website is blocked for me.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Scott Janzen via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juni 2022 18:55
An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: [Fot] Kastner cup

I?m looking at the entry list and i think a lot of you did what i did- failed to specifically enter the Kastner cup race when you registered. I say this because there are about 37 triumphs entered in the various groups, but only 32 in the kcup .
Contact John Ross and add $50 to enter at 

jrporsche at comcast.net


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From Dave at microworks.net  Sat Jun  4 14:05:01 2022
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 13:05:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Kastner cup
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References: <96ECF54A-5965-4D0B-BD7A-BD10D86B73B5@me.com>
 <000c01d877d4$aa254150$fe6fc3f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650987FE12CC3D@mainserver>

Here is the roster



https://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.status/uidEvent/10EF0970-DB05-D784-861287FC7E1031FA





-----Original Message-----
From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 10:34 PM
To: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Fot] Kastner cup



Hi,



is there any list available?

Seems the website is blocked for me.



Cheers

Chris



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Scott Janzen via Fot

Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juni 2022 18:55

An: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>

Betreff: [Fot] Kastner cup



I?m looking at the entry list and i think a lot of you did what i did- failed to specifically enter the Kastner cup race when you registered. I say this because there are about 37 triumphs entered in the various groups, but only 32 in the kcup .

Contact John Ross and add $50 to enter at



jrporsche at comcast.net





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From jsukey at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 17:33:54 2022
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 19:33:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 steel synchros
Message-ID: <CAMmo4o95XFp7fL0fdHNLWBSeyzivzk+6Bi6DEsQ9oEsuN+8k3A@mail.gmail.com>

Amici,

I've gotten my hands on a set of Rick Parent's steel, carbon faced TR6
synchros.

Both my race GT6 and my street 2.5L GT6 use the TR6 gearbox; I've been
following his development with great interest.

I've installed the synchros in the gearbox from my racecar, and am running
that box in my street GT6 for testing purposes prior to Kastner Cup.

They fit well to the gears,  no rocking like the out of round repro parts.
Hand fitting to the gears they clearly have a stronger "bite" than even
good original parts.

For the past couple days, I've been driving it around like a madman to see
what they will do.   So far, I'm impressed- they take a ham fisted, non rev
matched, too fast jam into first gear without any drama.  Fast shifts up
and down thru the gears feel great too.

I'm awful excited to give them a proper stress test at Pittrace.

I don't have any financial interest in these,  but I am sharing because I
feel all of us racing with a TR gearbox stand to benifit.


Jason Sukey
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 11:28:23 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 12:28:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Four Speed Synchro Transmission.  Early Transmission
Message-ID: <E8A5261E-5BFF-423F-8472-5E1DE5EEA600@gmail.com>

Came from TR3B.    
$800
We will be at Black Hawk Farms and Pitt- Race 
Transmission has been inspected and bench tested.

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Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From rick.parent at att.net  Sun Jun  5 11:55:41 2022
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
In-Reply-To: <207462126.7473961.1654451602025@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAMmo4o95XFp7fL0fdHNLWBSeyzivzk+6Bi6DEsQ9oEsuN+8k3A@mail.gmail.com>
 <207462126.7473961.1654451602025@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1700098627.7473916.1654451741112@mail.yahoo.com>


These Synchro rings will fit all the Big Triumph transmissions and they should be available in 6-8 weeks. I do hope there is more interest in these than the Spit / GT6 Synchro's, those sales have been quite underwhelming so far unfortunately. BPNW is carrying the Spit rings as an FYI.

I believe there is a real need for parts like these because the OEM stuff is long gone and todays aftermarket parts are real junk. I am building a product line of all sorts of different manufacture's Synchro rings and the Triumph rings were first just because I have been involved in with racing Triumphs for 25 years and have been wishing someone else would have done the work and spent the money to develop parts like this. It's way easier to buy parts than go through the expense, development and time not to mention gambling that guys will see the value and buy them and I hope is worth it for me to do this. There are many transmission conversions out there now and it's mainly because of the synchro issue.?
The rings will cost $85 each which is a lot compared to a $15 aftermarket ring but they actually work and should be the last rings you will ever need. Adding $300 to a transmission build is nothing when you know it's going to work and less than nothing when you are considering a $3000-5000 conversion kit.

This is what I have going on at the moment
Spit / GT6 "large" Rings $85 each in stockBig Triumph Rings $85 each 6-8 weeks outDatsun L series 68-82 by the end of the yearT10, standard and super, by the end of the yearPorsche 910 - 2023Porsche 915 - 2023Muncie M21 / 22 - 2023Jaguar E Type - 2023T5 - 2023T9 - 2023BMW 2002, 318, 320 - 2023
If I don't sell enough Triumph rings I will not be making these
MGB ?Mini / Sprite ?
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Saturday, June 4, 2022, 04:34:06 PM MST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Amici,
I've gotten my hands on a set of Rick Parent's steel, carbon faced TR6 synchros.
Both my race GT6 and my street 2.5L GT6 use the TR6 gearbox; I've been following his development with great interest.?
I've installed the synchros in the gearbox from my racecar, and am running that box in my street GT6 for testing purposes prior to Kastner Cup.??
They fit well to the gears,? no rocking like the out of round repro parts.? Hand fitting to the gears they clearly have a stronger "bite" than even good original parts.
For the past couple days, I've been driving it around like a madman to see what they will do.? ?So far, I'm impressed- they take a ham fisted, non rev matched, too fast jam into first gear without any drama.? Fast shifts up and down thru the gears feel great too.
I'm awful excited to give them a proper stress test at Pittrace.

I don't have any financial interest in these,? but I am sharing because I feel all of us racing with a TR gearbox stand to benifit.

Jason Sukey?    
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Sun Jun  5 12:29:32 2022
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2022 14:29:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
In-Reply-To: <1700098627.7473916.1654451741112@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <1700098627.7473916.1654451741112@mail.yahoo.com>
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Thanks for making these available Rick.? I don't have a need for any at
the moment, but will certainly purchase them when I get into my trans
the next time.

John
?



On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC), Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?

?

These Synchro rings will fit all the Big Triumph transmissions and they should be available in 6-8 weeks. I do hope there is more interest in these than the Spit / GT6 Synchro's, those sales have been quite underwhelming so far unfortunately. BPNW is carrying the Spit rings as an FYI.







?

I believe there is a real need for parts like these because the OEM stuff is long gone and todays aftermarket parts are real junk. I am building a product line of all sorts of different manufacture's Synchro rings and the Triumph rings were first just because I have been involved in with racing Triumphs for 25 years and have been wishing someone else would have done the work and spent the money to develop parts like this. It's way easier to buy parts than go through the expense, development and time not to mention gambling that guys will see the value and buy them and I hope is worth it for me to do this. There are many transmission conversions out there now and it's mainly because of the synchro issue.?

?

The rings will cost $85 each which is a lot compared to a $15 aftermarket ring but they actually work and should be the last rings you will ever need. Adding $300 to a transmission build is nothing when you know it's going to work and less than nothing when you are considering a $3000-5000 conversion kit.

?

?

This is what I have going on at the moment

?

Spit / GT6 "large" Rings $85 each in stock

Big Triumph Rings $85 each 6-8 weeks out

Datsun L series 68-82 by the end of the year

T10, standard and super, by the end of the year

Porsche 910 - 2023

Porsche 915 - 2023

Muncie M21 / 22 - 2023

Jaguar E Type - 2023

T5 - 2023

T9 - 2023

BMW 2002, 318, 320 - 2023

?

If I don't sell enough Triumph rings I will not be making these

?

MGB ?

Mini / Sprite ?

?



Rick Parent

?

"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"

?




?

?




On Saturday, June 4, 2022, 04:34:06 PM MST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:

?

?




Amici,

?

I've gotten my hands on a set of Rick Parent's steel, carbon faced TR6 synchros.

?

Both my race GT6 and my street 2.5L GT6 use the TR6 gearbox; I've been following his development with great interest.?

?

I've installed the synchros in the gearbox from my racecar, and am running that box in my street GT6 for testing purposes prior to Kastner Cup.??

?

They fit well to the gears,? no rocking like the out of round repro parts.? Hand fitting to the gears they clearly have a stronger "bite" than even good original parts.

?

For the past couple days, I've been driving it around like a madman to see what they will do.? ?So far, I'm impressed- they take a ham fisted, non rev matched, too fast jam into first gear without any drama.? Fast shifts up and down thru the gears feel great too.

?

I'm awful excited to give them a proper stress test at Pittrace.

?

I don't have any financial interest in these,? but I am sharing because I feel all of us racing with a TR gearbox stand to benifit.

?

?

Jason Sukey?








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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  5 14:27:23 2022
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 20:27:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Remote oil filter
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 Double check - I'm 99.9999999% certain that the NAPA filter you're refering to is a 1516<-
I've been using those for like 30 years...
:-)
But ya - spin-on for the win!
l8r.

    On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 08:35:12 PM EDT, Russ Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Folks:

You?ll find the WIX 51515 or the NAPA 1515(same rebranded) is a better option for your filter. Wix is consistently top rated in reviews. Not so the FRAM.

Offered as a suggestion. I recommend folks do their own investigation as I did years ago.

 ?

Summit is an excellent source and if they?re out, contact Jegs

 ?

Russ Moore

Spitfire #49

 ?

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chuck Gee via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:15 PM
To: DENNIS WALJE <walje at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Remote oil filter

 ?

Hi Dennis,

 ?

I bought it at summit, here?s the link: ?https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-23700

 ?

It uses the thread size for the Fram HP-1 filter, but you can get others just like it with different thread sizes. ?Basically, Ford vs Chevy!

Chuck






On Jun 3, 2022, at 10:32 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?Does anyone know who sells the remote oil filter adapter with fitting for oil temp sender for GT6 as pictured in the book by Kas?

The adapter is pictured on page 250 as installed in Chuck Gee?s GT6. 

Thanks

Dennis Walje
68 GT6 

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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 14:49:24 2022
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 16:49:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
In-Reply-To: <1654453772.kgzv2w45c0sgws0o@webmail.lumos.net>
References: <1654453772.kgzv2w45c0sgws0o@webmail.lumos.net>
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Rick,

Can you clarify for Spitfire racers: These synchros fit later single rail boxes only, or 3 rail boxes as well?

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2022, at 2:29 PM, R. John Lye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks for making these available Rick.  I don't have a need for any at
> the moment, but will certainly purchase them when I get into my trans
> the next time.
> 
> John  
> 
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC), Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> These Synchro rings will fit all the Big Triumph transmissions and they should be available in 6-8 weeks. I do hope there is more interest in these than the Spit / GT6 Synchro's, those sales have been quite underwhelming so far unfortunately. BPNW is carrying the Spit rings as an FYI.
>  
> I believe there is a real need for parts like these because the OEM stuff is long gone and todays aftermarket parts are real junk. I am building a product line of all sorts of different manufacture's Synchro rings and the Triumph rings were first just because I have been involved in with racing Triumphs for 25 years and have been wishing someone else would have done the work and spent the money to develop parts like this. It's way easier to buy parts than go through the expense, development and time not to mention gambling that guys will see the value and buy them and I hope is worth it for me to do this. There are many transmission conversions out there now and it's mainly because of the synchro issue. 
>  
> The rings will cost $85 each which is a lot compared to a $15 aftermarket ring but they actually work and should be the last rings you will ever need. Adding $300 to a transmission build is nothing when you know it's going to work and less than nothing when you are considering a $3000-5000 conversion kit.
>  
>  
> This is what I have going on at the moment
>  
> Spit / GT6 "large" Rings $85 each in stock
> Big Triumph Rings $85 each 6-8 weeks out
> Datsun L series 68-82 by the end of the year
> T10, standard and super, by the end of the year
> Porsche 910 - 2023
> Porsche 915 - 2023
> Muncie M21 / 22 - 2023
> Jaguar E Type - 2023
> T5 - 2023
> T9 - 2023
> BMW 2002, 318, 320 - 2023
>  
> If I don't sell enough Triumph rings I will not be making these
>  
> MGB ?
> Mini / Sprite ?
>  
> Rick Parent
>  
> "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
>  
>  
>  
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022, 04:34:06 PM MST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> Amici,
>  
> I've gotten my hands on a set of Rick Parent's steel, carbon faced TR6 synchros.
>  
> Both my race GT6 and my street 2.5L GT6 use the TR6 gearbox; I've been following his development with great interest. 
>  
> I've installed the synchros in the gearbox from my racecar, and am running that box in my street GT6 for testing purposes prior to Kastner Cup.  
>  
> They fit well to the gears,  no rocking like the out of round repro parts.  Hand fitting to the gears they clearly have a stronger "bite" than even good original parts.
>  
> For the past couple days, I've been driving it around like a madman to see what they will do.   So far, I'm impressed- they take a ham fisted, non rev matched, too fast jam into first gear without any drama.  Fast shifts up and down thru the gears feel great too.
>  
> I'm awful excited to give them a proper stress test at Pittrace.
>  
> I don't have any financial interest in these,  but I am sharing because I feel all of us racing with a TR gearbox stand to benifit.
>  
>  
> Jason Sukey 
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Jun  5 15:04:49 2022
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 16:04:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
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You know I?m in for a set. Tired of crap synchros in a new rebuild. 
Thanks for taking on the project Rick. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> These Synchro rings will fit all the Big Triumph transmissions and they should be available in 6-8 weeks. I do hope there is more interest in these than the Spit / GT6 Synchro's, those sales have been quite underwhelming so far unfortunately. BPNW is carrying the Spit rings as an FYI.
> 
> I believe there is a real need for parts like these because the OEM stuff is long gone and todays aftermarket parts are real junk. I am building a product line of all sorts of different manufacture's Synchro rings and the Triumph rings were first just because I have been involved in with racing Triumphs for 25 years and have been wishing someone else would have done the work and spent the money to develop parts like this. It's way easier to buy parts than go through the expense, development and time not to mention gambling that guys will see the value and buy them and I hope is worth it for me to do this. There are many transmission conversions out there now and it's mainly because of the synchro issue. 
> 
> The rings will cost $85 each which is a lot compared to a $15 aftermarket ring but they actually work and should be the last rings you will ever need. Adding $300 to a transmission build is nothing when you know it's going to work and less than nothing when you are considering a $3000-5000 conversion kit.
> 
> 
> This is what I have going on at the moment
> 
> Spit / GT6 "large" Rings $85 each in stock
> Big Triumph Rings $85 each 6-8 weeks out
> Datsun L series 68-82 by the end of the year
> T10, standard and super, by the end of the year
> Porsche 910 - 2023
> Porsche 915 - 2023
> Muncie M21 / 22 - 2023
> Jaguar E Type - 2023
> T5 - 2023
> T9 - 2023
> BMW 2002, 318, 320 - 2023
> 
> If I don't sell enough Triumph rings I will not be making these
> 
> MGB ?
> Mini / Sprite ?
> 
> Rick Parent
> 
> "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022, 04:34:06 PM MST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Amici,
> 
> I've gotten my hands on a set of Rick Parent's steel, carbon faced TR6 synchros.
> 
> Both my race GT6 and my street 2.5L GT6 use the TR6 gearbox; I've been following his development with great interest. 
> 
> I've installed the synchros in the gearbox from my racecar, and am running that box in my street GT6 for testing purposes prior to Kastner Cup.  
> 
> They fit well to the gears,  no rocking like the out of round repro parts.  Hand fitting to the gears they clearly have a stronger "bite" than even good original parts.
> 
> For the past couple days, I've been driving it around like a madman to see what they will do.   So far, I'm impressed- they take a ham fisted, non rev matched, too fast jam into first gear without any drama.  Fast shifts up and down thru the gears feel great too.
> 
> I'm awful excited to give them a proper stress test at Pittrace.
> 
> I don't have any financial interest in these,  but I am sharing because I feel all of us racing with a TR gearbox stand to benifit.
> 
> 
> Jason Sukey 
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sun Jun  5 15:34:18 2022
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 07:34:18 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TR6 steel synchros
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please keep us all informed of progress. many thanks

Terry
Australia


On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 9:34 AM Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici,
>
> I've gotten my hands on a set of Rick Parent's steel, carbon faced TR6
> synchros.
>
> Both my race GT6 and my street 2.5L GT6 use the TR6 gearbox; I've been
> following his development with great interest.
>
> I've installed the synchros in the gearbox from my racecar, and am running
> that box in my street GT6 for testing purposes prior to Kastner Cup.
>
> They fit well to the gears,  no rocking like the out of round repro
> parts.  Hand fitting to the gears they clearly have a stronger "bite" than
> even good original parts.
>
> For the past couple days, I've been driving it around like a madman to see
> what they will do.   So far, I'm impressed- they take a ham fisted, non rev
> matched, too fast jam into first gear without any drama.  Fast shifts up
> and down thru the gears feel great too.
>
> I'm awful excited to give them a proper stress test at Pittrace.
>
> I don't have any financial interest in these,  but I am sharing because I
> feel all of us racing with a TR gearbox stand to benifit.
>
>
> Jason Sukey
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From rick.parent at att.net  Mon Jun  6 09:37:03 2022
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 15:37:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
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 <6900C620-EAA7-4754-86C8-A42FC06EB42A@gmail.com>
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Hi Brad
The Synchro's fit all the single rail transmissions and all the Spit /GT6 transmissions that use the "larger" Synchro's. They will not fit the early transmissions with the "small" synchro's
Same size as Moss part number?071-330
will not fit Moss part number 847-205
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Sunday, June 5, 2022, 01:49:28 PM MST, Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Rick,
Can you clarify for Spitfire racers: These synchros fit later single rail boxes only, or 3 rail boxes as well?
Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2022, at 2:29 PM, R. John Lye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



? 
Thanks for making these available Rick.? I don't have a need for any at
the moment, but will certainly purchase them when I get into my trans
the next time.

John ? 

On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC), Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
??These Synchro rings will fit all the Big Triumph transmissions and they should be available in 6-8 weeks. I do hope there is more interest in these than the Spit / GT6 Synchro's, those sales have been quite underwhelming so far unfortunately. BPNW is carrying the Spit rings as an FYI.?I believe there is a real need for parts like these because the OEM stuff is long gone and todays aftermarket parts are real junk. I am building a product line of all sorts of different manufacture's Synchro rings and the Triumph rings were first just because I have been involved in with racing Triumphs for 25 years and have been wishing someone else would have done the work and spent the money to develop parts like this. It's way easier to buy parts than go through the expense, development and time not to mention gambling that guys will see the value and buy them and I hope is worth it for me to do this. There are many transmission conversions out there now and it's mainly because of the synchro issue.??The rings will cost $85 each which is a lot compared to a $15 aftermarket ring but they actually work and should be the last rings you will ever need. Adding $300 to a transmission build is nothing when you know it's going to work and less than nothing when you are considering a $3000-5000 conversion kit.??This is what I have going on at the moment?Spit / GT6 "large" Rings $85 each in stockBig Triumph Rings $85 each 6-8 weeks outDatsun L series 68-82 by the end of the yearT10, standard and super, by the end of the yearPorsche 910 - 2023Porsche 915 - 2023Muncie M21 / 22 - 2023Jaguar E Type - 2023T5 - 2023T9 - 2023BMW 2002, 318, 320 - 2023?If I don't sell enough Triumph rings I will not be making these?MGB ?Mini / Sprite ??Rick Parent?"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"???On Saturday, June 4, 2022, 04:34:06 PM MST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:??Amici,?I've gotten my hands on a set of Rick Parent's steel, carbon faced TR6 synchros.?Both my race GT6 and my street 2.5L GT6 use the TR6 gearbox; I've been following his development with great interest.??I've installed the synchros in the gearbox from my racecar, and am running that box in my street GT6 for testing purposes prior to Kastner Cup.???They fit well to the gears,? no rocking like the out of round repro parts.? Hand fitting to the gears they clearly have a stronger "bite" than even good original parts.?For the past couple days, I've been driving it around like a madman to see what they will do.? ?So far, I'm impressed- they take a ham fisted, non rev matched, too fast jam into first gear without any drama.? Fast shifts up and down thru the gears feel great too.?I'm awful excited to give them a proper stress test at Pittrace.?I don't have any financial interest in these,? but I am sharing because I feel all of us racing with a TR gearbox stand to benifit.??Jason Sukey?_______________________________________________
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Mon Jun  6 10:11:49 2022
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:11:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Street TR4 Gearbox
Message-ID: <BL0PR04MB4529B5B622B7FB05CF7E671EB4A29@BL0PR04MB4529.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks for all your help, using your suggestions was able to pinpoint my problem. One of the 8 springs did not seat properly, was bent, and jammed the pump spring.

Replaced the spring and overdrive is working fine.

Thanks
Mike

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From david.c.cutter at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 10:21:23 2022
From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:21:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
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Brad,  assuming you have stock gear sets, Rick's steel synchros will fit
all Spitfire gearboxes except those with serial numbers starting with FC or
FD.  Here's a good listing of serial numbers:

http://www.amicalespitfire.org/technique/tableaux/serial.php

Definitely check to see what's inside though.  Have found many race
gearboxes that have been modified (GT6 gearing etc.)

Cheers, Dave



On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:37 AM Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi Brad
>
> The Synchro's fit all the single rail transmissions and all the Spit /GT6
> transmissions that use the "larger" Synchro's. They will not fit the early
> transmissions with the "small" synchro's
>
> Same size as Moss part number 071-330
>
> will not fit Moss part number 847-205
>
> Rick Parent
>
> "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of
> consequences*"
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022, 01:49:28 PM MST, Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Can you clarify for Spitfire racers: These synchros fit later single rail
> boxes only, or 3 rail boxes as well?
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2022, at 2:29 PM, R. John Lye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Thanks for making these available Rick.  I don't have a need for any at
> the moment, but will certainly purchase them when I get into my trans
> the next time.
>
> John
>
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC), Rick Parent via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> These Synchro rings will fit all the Big Triumph transmissions and they
> should be available in 6-8 weeks. I do hope there is more interest in these
> than the Spit / GT6 Synchro's, those sales have been quite underwhelming so
> far unfortunately. BPNW is carrying the Spit rings as an FYI.
>
> I believe there is a real need for parts like these because the OEM stuff
> is long gone and todays aftermarket parts are real junk. I am building a
> product line of all sorts of different manufacture's Synchro rings and the
> Triumph rings were first just because I have been involved in with racing
> Triumphs for 25 years and have been wishing someone else would have done
> the work and spent the money to develop parts like this. It's way easier to
> buy parts than go through the expense, development and time not to mention
> gambling that guys will see the value and buy them and I hope is worth it
> for me to do this. There are many transmission conversions out there now
> and it's mainly because of the synchro issue.
>
> The rings will cost $85 each which is a lot compared to a $15 aftermarket
> ring but they actually work and should be the last rings you will ever
> need. Adding $300 to a transmission build is nothing when you know it's
> going to work and less than nothing when you are considering a $3000-5000
> conversion kit.
>
>
> This is what I have going on at the moment
>
> Spit / GT6 "large" Rings $85 each in stock
> Big Triumph Rings $85 each 6-8 weeks out
> Datsun L series 68-82 by the end of the year
> T10, standard and super, by the end of the year
> Porsche 910 - 2023
> Porsche 915 - 2023
> Muncie M21 / 22 - 2023
> Jaguar E Type - 2023
> T5 - 2023
> T9 - 2023
> BMW 2002, 318, 320 - 2023
>
> If I don't sell enough Triumph rings I will not be making these
>
> MGB ?
> Mini / Sprite ?
>
> Rick Parent
>
> "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of
> consequences*"
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022, 04:34:06 PM MST, Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Amici,
>
> I've gotten my hands on a set of Rick Parent's steel, carbon faced TR6
> synchros.
>
> Both my race GT6 and my street 2.5L GT6 use the TR6 gearbox; I've been
> following his development with great interest.
>
> I've installed the synchros in the gearbox from my racecar, and am running
> that box in my street GT6 for testing purposes prior to Kastner Cup.
>
> They fit well to the gears,  no rocking like the out of round repro
> parts.  Hand fitting to the gears they clearly have a stronger "bite" than
> even good original parts.
>
> For the past couple days, I've been driving it around like a madman to see
> what they will do.   So far, I'm impressed- they take a ham fisted, non rev
> matched, too fast jam into first gear without any drama.  Fast shifts up
> and down thru the gears feel great too.
>
> I'm awful excited to give them a proper stress test at Pittrace.
>
> I don't have any financial interest in these,  but I am sharing because I
> feel all of us racing with a TR gearbox stand to benifit.
>
>
> Jason Sukey
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From Dave at microworks.net  Mon Jun  6 10:29:52 2022
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 09:29:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Last shakedown before the Kastner
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650987FE12CC42@mainserver>

This past weekend we took the BajaTR3 out to Wild Horse Pass's West Track for an early morning event with NASA AZ for a final shakedown before it gets loaded in the Trailer for the Kastner Cup Race during the Pittsburgh Vintage GrandPrix. Photo taken while Lyman Scherer was driving in the early morning. He got some lap times down into the 1:21 range during the first two sessions. I took it out in the last session and got it down to the 1:17s

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Here is the history of the car for those interested

https://www.race-dezert.com/home/baja-triumph-the-reclamation-of-desert-racings-most-unusual-machine-51595.html


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From maddhatt69 at aol.com  Mon Jun  6 10:57:30 2022
From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:57:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
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SPIT racers,
Speaking of gearbox modifications, would anyone have a GT6 gearset they would be willing to part with? I'd like to upgrade my Spit single rail gearbox with GT6 gears and Rick'ssyndrome.
Thanks!?
M. Huovinen 910-619-2952

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  6 12:00:55 2022
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 18:00:55 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
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No, you are quite fast enough with the Spitfire tranny!

Marty



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 6/6/22 12:58 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: David Cutter <david.c.cutter at gmail.com>, David Cutter via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros

SPIT racers,

Speaking of gearbox modifications, would anyone have a GT6 gearset they would be willing to part with? I'd like to upgrade my Spit single rail gearbox with GT6 gears and Rick'ssyndrome.

Thanks!

M. Huovinen 910-619-2952

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From rick.parent at att.net  Mon Jun  6 13:13:05 2022
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 19:13:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros
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Good one, haha
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 No, you are quite fast enough with the Spitfire tranny!?
Marty


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-------- Original message --------From: "Mathieu W. Huovinen via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 6/6/22 12:58 PM (GMT-05:00) To: David Cutter <david.c.cutter at gmail.com>, David Cutter via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net>Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fw: TR6 steel synchros 
SPIT racers,
Speaking of gearbox modifications, would anyone have a GT6 gearset they would be willing to part with? I'd like to upgrade my Spit single rail gearbox with GT6 gears and Rick'ssyndrome.
Thanks!?
M. Huovinen 910-619-2952

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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  7 09:44:10 2022
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 11:44:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Triumphs at VVGP
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Hey Guys
For those running at MOSPORT in a little over a week, see below. We are
invited to join the MG race on Sunday.
See you soon
Brian

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From: Dave Good <davewgood at yahoo.ca>
Date: Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 12:57 PM
Subject: Triumphs at VVGP
To: Brian Schirano <bschirano1 at gmail.com>, Jeff Clark <jclark at napacanada.com
>

Hi
Just sending this out to you Triumph racers that will be at VVGP. A couple
of things
Spread the word that you ie Triumph racers are welcome in the MG race Sun.
It was originally intended as a feature marque race ie MG?s but we?ve got
lots of room so please join us
Along these lines ? are there any Triumph awards that are made at VVGP.
We?ve got MG awards but I?m not aware of what the Triumph racers do? If you
need some podium time post MG- Triumph race let me know
I know you may not be able to address this but please pass it on to the
other Triumph racers

Thanks
Dave

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 17:57:53 2022
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 18:57:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Remote oil filter
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I?m guessing that the package starts with the TR6 spin on adapter, mate up a Ford Taurus V6 remote adapter to plumb over to this remote unit. Does anyone have the part number for the takeoff unit or a better recipe?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2022, at 3:27 PM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Double check - I'm 99.9999999% certain that the NAPA filter you're refering to is a 1516<-
> 
> I've been using those for like 30 years...
> 
> :-)
> 
> But ya - spin-on for the win!
> 
> l8r.
> 
> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 08:35:12 PM EDT, Russ Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Folks:
> 
> You?ll find the WIX 51515 or the NAPA 1515(same rebranded) is a better option for your filter. Wix is consistently top rated in reviews. Not so the FRAM.
> 
> Offered as a suggestion. I recommend folks do their own investigation as I did years ago.
> 
>  
> 
> Summit is an excellent source and if they?re out, contact Jegs
> 
>  
> 
> Russ Moore
> 
> Spitfire #49
> 
>  
> 
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chuck Gee via Fot
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 1:15 PM
> To: DENNIS WALJE <walje at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Remote oil filter
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Dennis,
> 
>  
> 
> I bought it at summit, here?s the link:  https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-23700
> 
>  
> 
> It uses the thread size for the Fram HP-1 filter, but you can get others just like it with different thread sizes.  Basically, Ford vs Chevy!
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 3, 2022, at 10:32 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone know who sells the remote oil filter adapter with fitting for oil temp sender for GT6 as pictured in the book by Kas?
> 
> The adapter is pictured on page 250 as installed in Chuck Gee?s GT6. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 68 GT6 
> 
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  8 18:42:58 2022
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 00:42:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Flingin the TR6 Around Lime Rock
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2022 June Lime Rock Sprint

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Whattahoot.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  9 15:40:42 2022
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 16:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Aluminum TR3 & TR4 Front Engine Plates
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FOT

There are a few hundred out there now. No complaints, ever.

We did a run before material costs went up.

Special Price.  1/3 the weight of steel.

We have a few Morgan plates, too.

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Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Thu Jun  9 17:48:57 2022
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 16:48:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Short Driver Bio Needed for Kastner Program
Message-ID: <1496463697.1051106.1654818537600@connect.xfinity.com>

Hello FOT,

We are fortunate to have a bit of space in the very large professional program produced by the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix.  At our Race Committee meeting this evening, it was agreed that we could have space for short two (2) line driver bios.......30 words max. 

But the deadline is tomorrow!  Sorry about that!

If you're signed up for the race, please send your bios to Shawn Frank and me.  Also, if you have a high quality jpeg file, send that as well.  Just include an interesting fact.  Your name and car model/year doesn't count toward the 30 words, so make sure you include that in the heading.

Send to both:

* Shawn Frank at: my71spit13 at yahoo.com mailto:my71spit13 at yahoo.com
* Curt Johnston at:  curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net

Thanks!

Curt Johnston
curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
707-249-1667 
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  9 18:10:53 2022
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 00:10:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Short Driver Bio Needed for Kastner Program
In-Reply-To: <1496463697.1051106.1654818537600@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1496463697.1051106.1654818537600@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <1983722681.1019105.1654819853944@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Curt,
?You are?looking for the pictures of the car, not the driver, correct? ?(Mine is much better looking than me? LOL)
Thanks!Dave Gott

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 7:49 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

   Hello FOT, 
   
   We are fortunate to have a bit of space in the very large professional program produced by the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix.? At our Race Committee meeting this evening, it was agreed that we could have space for short two (2) line driver bios.......30 words max.?   
   But the deadline is tomorrow!? Sorry about that!   
   If you're signed up for the race, please send your bios to Shawn Frank and me.? Also, if you have a high quality jpeg file, send that as well.? Just include an interesting fact.? Your name and car model/year doesn't count toward the 30 words, so make sure you include that in the heading.   
   Send to both:   
     
   - Shawn Frank at: my71spit13 at yahoo.com   

   - Curt Johnston at:? curt.johnston at comcast.net   

  
   Thanks!   
   Curt Johnston   curt.johnston at comcast.net   707-249-1667?  _______________________________________________
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Thu Jun  9 18:13:13 2022
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 17:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Short Driver Bio Needed for Kastner Program
In-Reply-To: <1983722681.1019105.1654819853944@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1496463697.1051106.1654818537600@connect.xfinity.com>
 <1983722681.1019105.1654819853944@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1613624734.1051703.1654819993830@connect.xfinity.com>

Yes, a picture of the car is what we need.  Thanks for asking Dave.

Curt Johnston

>     On 06/09/2022 5:10 PM David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hi Curt,
> 
>      You are looking for the pictures of the car, not the driver, correct?  (Mine is much better looking than me? LOL)
> 
>     Thanks!
>     Dave Gott
> 
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS
> 
> 
> 
>     On Thursday, June 9, 2022, 7:49 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>         > >         Hello FOT,
> > 
> >         We are fortunate to have a bit of space in the very large professional program produced by the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix.  At our Race Committee meeting this evening, it was agreed that we could have space for short two (2) line driver bios.......30 words max. 
> > 
> >         But the deadline is tomorrow!  Sorry about that!
> > 
> >         If you're signed up for the race, please send your bios to Shawn Frank and me.  Also, if you have a high quality jpeg file, send that as well.  Just include an interesting fact.  Your name and car model/year doesn't count toward the 30 words, so make sure you include that in the heading.
> > 
> >         Send to both:
> > 
> >             * Shawn Frank at: my71spit13 at yahoo.com mailto:my71spit13 at yahoo.com
> >             * Curt Johnston at:  curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
> > 
> >         Thanks!
> > 
> >         Curt Johnston
> >         curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
> >         707-249-1667 
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Fri Jun 10 06:50:49 2022
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:50:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Wedge
References: <230502861.1118637.1654865449104.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <230502861.1118637.1654865449104@mail.yahoo.com>

https://www.triumphexp.com/registry/1980-Triumph-TR8-ACL15227U.58109/

Looks like the pric is $38000
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jun 10 07:05:08 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 09:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 FIA prepped car on BAT
Message-ID: <5EE0CFE2-C71E-4C7F-9CC9-78F5FB93FDCB@me.com>

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-27/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022-06-10
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Jun 10 07:17:26 2022
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 07:17:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 FIA prepped car on BAT
In-Reply-To: <5EE0CFE2-C71E-4C7F-9CC9-78F5FB93FDCB@me.com>
References: <5EE0CFE2-C71E-4C7F-9CC9-78F5FB93FDCB@me.com>
Message-ID: <235a01d87ccc$6ecc6050$4c6520f0$@comcast.net>

Yeah, currently at $5K. That won't even get you a ride around the block in
that beauty. That car should be at a Christie's auction.

jg

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Scott Janzen via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 7:05 AM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] TR4 FIA prepped car on BAT

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-27/?utm_source=dm
<https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-27/?utm_source=dm&utm_me
dium=email&utm_campaign=2022-06-10>
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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 10 08:42:10 2022
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 09:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Auto meter gauge
References: <F610A504-E810-49CB-8918-689E48627F2F.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <F610A504-E810-49CB-8918-689E48627F2F@sbcglobal.net>


Does anyone have any experience with installing Autometer mechanical water temp gauge in GT6?  

I am unable to locate fittings for temp bulb installation. 

Thanks

Dennis Walje
68 GT6

Sent from my iPhone

From quikrx at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 11:06:32 2022
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Auto meter gauge
In-Reply-To: <F610A504-E810-49CB-8918-689E48627F2F@sbcglobal.net>
References: <F610A504-E810-49CB-8918-689E48627F2F.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <F610A504-E810-49CB-8918-689E48627F2F@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <237758097.2077732.1654880792455@mail.yahoo.com>

 if I remember correctly, Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies in New Berlin Wi have them - check their excellent online catalog
Ralph
    On Friday, June 10, 2022, 09:42:48 AM CDT, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Does anyone have any experience with installing Autometer mechanical water temp gauge in GT6?? 

I am unable to locate fittings for temp bulb installation. 

Thanks

Dennis Walje
68 GT6

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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Jun 10 11:47:05 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:47:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Auto meter gauge
In-Reply-To: <237758097.2077732.1654880792455@mail.yahoo.com>
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O?Reilly?s sells a kit of several different adapters. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2022, at 1:07 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> if I remember correctly, Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies in New Berlin Wi have them - check their excellent online catalog
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On Friday, June 10, 2022, 09:42:48 AM CDT, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with installing Autometer mechanical water temp gauge in GT6?  
> 
> I am unable to locate fittings for temp bulb installation. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 68 GT6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 11:47:52 2022
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Auto meter gauge
In-Reply-To: <237758097.2077732.1654880792455@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <F610A504-E810-49CB-8918-689E48627F2F.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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Hi Dennis,
Since I don?t run a thermostat in the TR4, I put one of these between the gooseneck and the radiator:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/atm-2283
Works great for me.
Hope that helps!
Dave Gott


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, June 10, 2022, 1:06 PM, ralph hansen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 if I remember correctly, Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies in New Berlin Wi have them - check their excellent online catalog
Ralph
    On Friday, June 10, 2022, 09:42:48 AM CDT, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Does anyone have any experience with installing Autometer mechanical water temp gauge in GT6?? 

I am unable to locate fittings for temp bulb installation. 

Thanks

Dennis Walje
68 GT6

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From Dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 10 12:24:35 2022
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 11:24:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650987FE12CC6A@mainserver>

I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.

Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?

[cid:image001.jpg at 01D87CBC.AA358640]<http://www.microworks.net/>
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Jun 10 13:07:20 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 15:07:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
In-Reply-To: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650987FE12CC6A@mainserver>
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Time to get the radiator flushed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.
>  
> Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?
>  
> <image001.jpg>
> Dave Riddle
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jun 10 13:16:36 2022
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:16:36 +0200
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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Yeah, that was my thought.

 

Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
An: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Time to get the radiator flushed.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.

 

Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?

 

 <http://www.microworks.net/> 

 <http://www.microworks.net/> <image001.jpg>

 

Dave Riddle

Business IT Consulting

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From Dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 10 13:18:12 2022
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:18:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
In-Reply-To: <002b01d87cfe$9bbf42d0$d33dc870$@gmail.com>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650987FE12CC6A@mainserver>
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Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses

From: tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
To: 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

Yeah, that was my thought.

Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.

Cheers
Chris


Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
An: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

Time to get the radiator flushed.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.

Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?

<image001.jpg><http://www.microworks.net/>

Dave Riddle
Business IT Consulting
Office: 480-610-8234
eMail: dave at microworks.net<mailto:dave at microworks.net>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jun 10 13:25:10 2022
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:25:10 +0200
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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Somehow your radiator system is inefficient.

My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don?t move away from?range maybe from 180 to 190.

I use:

*	Good aluminum radiator
*	Blocked small circuit
*	Automatic bleeding system
*	7 blade pump
*	Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed 

 

Von: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net> 
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; 'Philip Gott' <vfracing at aol.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses 

 

From: tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com>  [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
To: 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Yeah, that was my thought.

 

Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
An: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net <mailto:Dave at microworks.net> >
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Time to get the radiator flushed.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.

 

Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?

 

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Dave Riddle

Business IT Consulting

Office: 480-610-8234

eMail: dave at microworks.net <mailto:dave at microworks.net> 

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jun 10 13:27:44 2022
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:27:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
In-Reply-To: <003201d87cff$cd9d9170$68d8b450$@gmail.com>
References: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650987FE12CC6A@mainserver>
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Radiator shroud intact?? That's kind of vital.

Regards, Tony

On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
>
> Somehow your radiator system is inefficient.
>
> My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don?t move away from?range 
> maybe from 180 to 190.
>
> I use:
>
>   * Good aluminum radiator
>   * Blocked small circuit
>   * Automatic bleeding system
>   * 7 blade pump
>   * Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed
>
> *Von:*Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18
> *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com; 'Philip Gott' <vfracing at aol.com>
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Betreff:* RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
>
> Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses
>
> *From:*tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com 
> <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
> *To:* 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
>
> Yeah, that was my thought.
>
> Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
> *Von:*Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *Philip Gott 
> via Fot
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
> *An:* Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net>
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
>
> Time to get the radiator flushed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>     On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot
>     <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     ?
>
>     I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a
>     new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one
>     that has been in there since the 1990s.? The old one I put in a
>     pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still
>     suspect. Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we
>     really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to
>     prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that
>     when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500
>     RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the
>     Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop
>     and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped
>     back to between 210 and 220.
>
>     Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching
>     one altogether?
>
>     <image001.jpg> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>
>     *Dave Riddle*
>
>     Business IT Consulting
>
>     Office: 480-610-8234
>
>     eMail: dave at microworks.net
>
>     Website: http://www.microworks.net
>
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>
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>
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From Dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 10 13:33:53 2022
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:33:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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Ok.  Think I?ll redo the shroud and block the bypass.  The pump, pulley and electric fan are what have been there forever from when Bob Schaller owned the Car. I have suspected the shroud is not working right

From: tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:25 PM
To: Dave Riddle; tr4racing at googlemail.com; 'Philip Gott'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

Somehow your radiator system is inefficient.
My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don?t move away from?range maybe from 180 to 190.
I use:

 *   Good aluminum radiator
 *   Blocked small circuit
 *   Automatic bleeding system
 *   7 blade pump
 *   Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed

Von: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net>
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; 'Philip Gott' <vfracing at aol.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses

From: tr4racing at googlemail.com<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
To: 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
Cc: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

Yeah, that was my thought.

Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.

Cheers
Chris


Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
An: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net<mailto:Dave at microworks.net>>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

Time to get the radiator flushed.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.

Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?

<image001.jpg><http://www.microworks.net/>

Dave Riddle
Business IT Consulting
Office: 480-610-8234
eMail: dave at microworks.net<mailto:dave at microworks.net>
Website: http://www.microworks.net<http://www.microworks.net/>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Jun 10 13:34:52 2022
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:34:52 +0200
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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I disagree on this, I never ran a shroud. Certainly it does help?.but my cooling system is so over the top that I need to run a thermostat to get it to operation temperature or I see 160F.

 

On the photo you see the ready to race configuration.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:28
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Radiator shroud intact?  That's kind of vital.

Regards, Tony

On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:

Somehow your radiator system is inefficient.

My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don?t move away from?range maybe from 180 to 190.

I use:

1.	Good aluminum radiator
2.	Blocked small circuit
3.	Automatic bleeding system
4.	7 blade pump
5.	Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed 

 

Von: Dave Riddle  <mailto:Dave at microworks.net> <Dave at microworks.net> 
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> ; 'Philip Gott'  <mailto:vfracing at aol.com> <vfracing at aol.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses 

 

From: tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com>  [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
To: 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Yeah, that was my thought.

 

Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
An: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net <mailto:Dave at microworks.net> >
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Time to get the radiator flushed.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.

 

Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?

 

 <http://www.microworks.net/> <image001.jpg>

 

Dave Riddle

Business IT Consulting

Office: 480-610-8234

eMail: dave at microworks.net <mailto:dave at microworks.net> 

Website: http://www.microworks.net <http://www.microworks.net/> 

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 <https://www.clio.com/> <image004.png>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:49:59 +0000 (UTC)
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No, you should block off the overflow hose first as others have said.? If you haven't already done so get the plastic TR6 fan.

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From steve at artwithcars.com  Fri Jun 10 14:22:40 2022
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:22:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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My dad used to get the standard radiator re-cored at a radiator shop with a heavy duty core.  Worked great for street or racing. 

~Steve


> On Jun 10, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.
>  
> Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?
>  
> 
> Dave Riddle
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 14:49:37 2022
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 15:49:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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I recently upgraded to this Griffin radiator.  Stands straight up and with
a couple of easy to fab brackets, it mounts to the OEM radiator mounts,
which is a common vintage rule. It's a shorter version of the circle track
style.
[image: image.png]
Bob Kramer


On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:19 PM Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses
>
>
>
> *From:* tr4racing at googlemail.com [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
> *To:* 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
>
>
>
> Yeah, that was my thought.
>
>
>
> Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *Philip Gott via
> Fot
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
> *An:* Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net>
> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
>
>
>
> Time to get the radiator flushed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>
> On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180
> degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in
> there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I
> heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is
> the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading
> to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when
> running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps
> would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at
> surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a
> mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.
>
>
>
> Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one
> altogether?
>
>
>
> <image001.jpg> <http://www.microworks.net/>
>
>
>
> *Dave Riddle*
>
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>
> Office: 480-610-8234
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>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jun 10 16:21:19 2022
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 15:21:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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I run a 180 thermostat with a plastic or Teflon restrictor that has I think a 3/8" hole in it in the bypass line to mimic the standard bellows thermostat's restriction.  Aluminum radiator, standard water pump and pulley sizes.  I'd would like to have a smaller crank pulley to slow the pump and alternator.  I use an expansion tank that fills the system and circulates coolant using the heater connections at the back of the head and return tube.  No filler cap on the radiator.  Temps typically around 190.  Both water and oil.  Street or race.
Dave H.

>     On 06/10/2022 12:18 PM Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> 
>     Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 10 22:40:32 2022
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 23:40:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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I haven?t seen any response to part of the original question of running without a thermostat. 

Here?s my experience with that idea. When I was 16 I had a very tired 1296 Spit with the narrow radiator, small fan, and no overdrive that threatened to over heat on hot Texas summer days. I ?fixed? it within my budget ($0) by removing the thermostat. It worked great around town, but cruising on the Highway (4,500 RPM at 70 MPH) and it would get very hot very fast. My guess is the water was flowing too fast through the radiator and not cooling off before going back in the engine. 

Lower RPM?s of the pump and a better cooling system might over come that problem, but even so I?d be hesitant to run without a thermostat.

Dusty Nicholson 
281-871-9623

> On Jun 10, 2022, at 5:23 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I run a 180 thermostat with a plastic or Teflon restrictor that has I think a 3/8" hole in it in the bypass line to mimic the standard bellows thermostat's restriction.  Aluminum radiator, standard water pump and pulley sizes.  I'd would like to have a smaller crank pulley to slow the pump and alternator.  I use an expansion tank that fills the system and circulates coolant using the heater connections at the back of the head and return tube.  No filler cap on the radiator.  Temps typically around 190.  Both water and oil.  Street or race. 
> Dave H.
>> On 06/10/2022 12:18 PM Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 11 00:48:44 2022
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 08:48:44 +0200
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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About no thermostat:

The thermostat is a restrictor in the system. It lowers the water speed and rises block pressure.

High block pressure is good because it avoids boiling water at hot spots. If water starts boiling the steam expands and water is maybe forced out of the filler cap.

A high block pressure (higher than the pressure in the filler cap) gives some safety. That?s why many people take out the thermostat remove the valve from it and just do the plate back in place to still have back pressure?created by the speeding pump pressing against this resistor plate.

 

Check the Kastner books about this subjects. 

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: dustin nicholson <nicholsondustin at yahoo.com> 
Gesendet: Samstag, 11. Juni 2022 06:41
An: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Cc: Dave Riddle <Dave at microworks.net>; Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>; tr4racing at googlemail.com; Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

I haven?t seen any response to part of the original question of running without a thermostat. 

 

Here?s my experience with that idea. When I was 16 I had a very tired 1296 Spit with the narrow radiator, small fan, and no overdrive that threatened to over heat on hot Texas summer days. I ?fixed? it within my budget ($0) by removing the thermostat. It worked great around town, but cruising on the Highway (4,500 RPM at 70 MPH) and it would get very hot very fast. My guess is the water was flowing too fast through the radiator and not cooling off before going back in the engine. 

 

Lower RPM?s of the pump and a better cooling system might over come that problem, but even so I?d be hesitant to run without a thermostat.

Dusty Nicholson 

281-871-9623





On Jun 10, 2022, at 5:23 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

I run a 180 thermostat with a plastic or Teflon restrictor that has I think a 3/8" hole in it in the bypass line to mimic the standard bellows thermostat's restriction.  Aluminum radiator, standard water pump and pulley sizes.  I'd would like to have a smaller crank pulley to slow the pump and alternator.  I use an expansion tank that fills the system and circulates coolant using the heater connections at the back of the head and return tube.  No filler cap on the radiator.  Temps typically around 190.  Both water and oil.  Street or race. 

Dave H. 

On 06/10/2022 12:18 PM Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses 

 

 

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Sat Jun 11 11:16:26 2022
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:16:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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Ah that may work but there is more than one reason to run a shroud.  You do not want any more air than necessary under the hood.  It has to find an exit out, no small task, and it produces drag among other things.  If you use a well-designed shroud you can then tape the nose on a very cold race day to bring temps up and to reduce drag even more.  It?s the way they do it on all modern race cars, only enough air in for systems, no more.  On my TR I pick up the air for carbs through a K&N air filter inside the shroud (behind grill) and in front of radiator.  You get cold air to Weber?s through filter, down the air pipe and into a sealed plenum box for the carbs.  Have run this setup at well over 100 F with no overheating.

 

Ken

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:35 PM
To: 'Tony Drews' <tony at tonydrews.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

I disagree on this, I never ran a shroud. Certainly it does help?.but my cooling system is so over the top that I need to run a thermostat to get it to operation temperature or I see 160F.

 

On the photo you see the ready to race configuration.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:28
An: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Radiator shroud intact?  That's kind of vital.

Regards, Tony

On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:

Somehow your radiator system is inefficient.

My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don?t move away from?range maybe from 180 to 190.

I use:

1.	Good aluminum radiator
2.	Blocked small circuit
3.	Automatic bleeding system
4.	7 blade pump
5.	Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed 

 

Von: Dave Riddle  <mailto:Dave at microworks.net> <Dave at microworks.net> 
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> ; 'Philip Gott'  <mailto:vfracing at aol.com> <vfracing at aol.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses 

 

From: tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com>  [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
To: 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Yeah, that was my thought.

 

Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
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Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Time to get the radiator flushed.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.

 

Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?

 

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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 11 15:31:54 2022
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 21:31:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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 you should at least pull the guts out of a stat or run a washer with the same size hole, no stat or restriction can cause uneven cooling, the pressure buildup or lack of will only cool the front part of the block/head, the restriction will allow proper pressure to flow all areas and not just the front / basically no stat equals cold frt of engine, hot rear - the restrictor can be adjusted for more or less flow as needed to get the desired temp - the best approx temp for combustion/power/mileage is around 190 - 195, that is what modern cars run and will not hurt any engine assuming the temp is consistent across the system or really close

    On Saturday, June 11, 2022, 07:36:53 AM CDT, dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I haven?t seen any response to part of the original question of running without a thermostat.?
Here?s my experience with that idea. When I was 16 I had a very tired 1296 Spit with the narrow radiator, small fan, and no overdrive that threatened to over heat on hot Texas summer days. I ?fixed? it within my budget ($0) by removing the thermostat. It worked great around town, but cruising on the Highway (4,500 RPM at 70 MPH) and it would get very hot very fast. My guess is the water was flowing too fast through the radiator and not cooling off before going back in the engine.?
Lower RPM?s of the pump and a better cooling system might over come that problem, but even so I?d be hesitant to run without a thermostat.

Dusty Nicholson?281-871-9623

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? 
 I run a 180 thermostat with a plastic or Teflon restrictor that has I think a 3/8" hole in it in the bypass line to mimic the standard bellows thermostat's restriction.? Aluminum radiator, standard water pump and pulley sizes.? I'd would like to have a smaller crank pulley to slow the pump and alternator.? I use an expansion tank that fills the system and circulates coolant using the heater connections at the back of the head and return tube.? No filler cap on the radiator.? Temps typically around 190.? Both water and oil.? Street or race. 
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  On 06/10/2022 12:18 PM Dave Riddle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   
   
   
Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses 
 
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Sat Jun 11 19:02:21 2022
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 20:02:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Just saw this
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https://classicmotorsports.com/articles/triumph-tr250k-american-concept-might-have-saved-b/?mc_cid=981476bbb4&mc_eid=61fbf2905e

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From fintouch at ptd.net  Sun Jun 12 12:43:43 2022
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Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 14:43:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Classic Photos
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Old classic photos from the June 1964 Duryea Hill Climb in Reading, PA. 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 12 12:57:01 2022
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Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 20:57:01 +0200
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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I'm not unhappy to have some fresh air under the bonnet. 

It cooling everything,  exhaust headers, electric,  carbs, and stuff.

If all is closed only hot air comes in.

No advantage I guess. 

 

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From jhassall at gmail.com  Sun Jun 12 14:03:18 2022
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:03:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A-type OD for sale on Triumph Experience
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Folks,

The recent discussion about overdrives prompted me to get off bottom dead
center.  I have an A-type OD, professionally rebuilt and "pepped up"
(increased engagement pressure), which I planned to install in my TR4 for
autoxing.  Two knee replacements have scrapped those plans, so the OD is of
no use to me.

I'd really like to see this go to someone who wants to get the most out of
their TR4 or TR5.  This won't fit TR3s unless a fully synchro gearbox has
been fitted.

Please have a look at this link
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 11 16:12:20 2022
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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 22:12:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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Agree on the restriction. You could pull the guts out of the thermostat

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From Vfracing at aol.com  Mon Jun 13 06:03:44 2022
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:03:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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?Speaking of restriction: the originator of the thread mentioned that he recently installed a new radiator. 
I once installed a custom radiator in another old car. The new radiator was extra thick with many rows of fins and tubes, replacing an old ?honeycomb? style radiator. It turns out that this extra thick ( about 3 inches) core was very restrictive on air flow compared to the original honeycomb. The car overheated on the highway, something it never did before. As with the TR, the radiator fan was not shrouded. 
So, I wonder if the new radiator is thick enough to reduce air flow compared to the original? That could cause operating temperature to rise.
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From putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 13 06:26:37 2022
From: putinbaytr3 at yahoo.com (Rich Hahn)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 12:26:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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 I've been reading this thread and what worked for me in my street TR3A along with a high capacity water pump and electric fan was the old hot rod trick of replacing the thermostat with a "water restrictor disc'? This is nothing more than a aluminum disc with a hole in it.? The kit comes with 3 discs with different size holes.? I got them from Jeggs #555-51105? $6.39.? ?I've had the TR3 for 49 years and it always ran hot.? Even in hot weather in a 2 mph parade I rarely get above 190 degrees now.? Everyone of these cars is different.? My stock TR4A has nothing more than the TR6 multiblade fan and upgraded water pump and I can't get it over 160 degrees.? It could be used as a farm engine!!!? Conversely I run no thermostat in my 69 Datsun 2000 vintage race car (I know blasphemy) and an electric fan for sitting on the grid.


    On Monday, June 13, 2022, 08:05:48 AM EDT, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
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??? Speaking of restriction: the originator of the thread mentioned that he recently installed a new radiator.?I once installed a custom radiator in another old car. The new radiator was extra thick with many rows of fins and tubes, replacing an old ?honeycomb? style radiator. It turns out that this extra thick ( about 3 inches) core was very restrictive on air flow compared to the original honeycomb. The car overheated on the highway, something it never did before. As with the TR, the radiator fan was not shrouded.?So, I wonder if the new radiator is thick enough to reduce air flow compared to the original? That could cause operating temperature to rise.Phil Gott

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Mon Jun 13 08:02:06 2022
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:02:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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Chris;

 

If more air comes in than can go out, for instance at speed, nothing moves and there is no cooling.  There are only a few ways to get air out from under the hood on a TR, some cowl work, side vents as on factory racers and through the bottom.  With coated headers most of the heat goes down the pipe and the electrics are not that sensitive.  Only fresh ambient temp air reaches the carbs.  I have raced this setup at well over +100f/38c and all was good (water and oil temps).  Less air in means less exiting under the car with lifting and turbulence causing drag.

 

Hey listen, its more work and complex, likely worth only a tenth or so.  Kas liked it and it was fun to engineer.  Have a great summer racing, Ken

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:57 AM
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I'm not unhappy to have some fresh air under the bonnet. 

It cooling everything,  exhaust headers, electric,  carbs, and stuff.

If all is closed only hot air comes in.

No advantage I guess. 

 

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 13 14:47:26 2022
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 22:47:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
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Dear Ken,

 

Simple thing?..if air is entering from the front (with shroud or without shroud) the air Must go somewhere.

It can?t get in a status that the air can?t go anywhere then there would be no cooling on the radiator.

 

To answer, the air is going from the engine compartment under the car. And a small part along the gearbox tunnel and propshaft tunnel.

There is always air movement. Not sure about the efficiency of the side vents but they surely help and don?t hurt ? if there is no connection to the wheel arches.

If the vents are open to the wheel arches they more vent the wheels and prevent car lift than engine venting.

And not to forget, you don?t get much air through these small vents, compared to the big hole under the car.

I did tafting the engine bay and videoed it to see where the air is going.

 

For that part I rely on having much air in the engine bay for cooling everything.

I never would coat or wrap headers?they would soak engine power of wrapped or coated.

How do I know? Porsche did many tests on this subject. The cooler the exhaust pipe is, the more power.

That?s why I leave everything open.

 

With regards to drag?..the floor of the TR4 is not slick, so drag is not an issue. If the drivers compartment is closed, that would rise the top speed significantly but not if the front is sealed. 

And for lift of the car??I drive in Dago Rake style?..low front , high rear. That creates a slight down force under the car from the wedge shape distance to ground under the chassis.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

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Chris;

 

If more air comes in than can go out, for instance at speed, nothing moves and there is no cooling.  There are only a few ways to get air out from under the hood on a TR, some cowl work, side vents as on factory racers and through the bottom.  With coated headers most of the heat goes down the pipe and the electrics are not that sensitive.  Only fresh ambient temp air reaches the carbs.  I have raced this setup at well over +100f/38c and all was good (water and oil temps).  Less air in means less exiting under the car with lifting and turbulence causing drag.

 

Hey listen, its more work and complex, likely worth only a tenth or so.  Kas liked it and it was fun to engineer.  Have a great summer racing, Ken

 

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I'm not unhappy to have some fresh air under the bonnet. 

It cooling everything,  exhaust headers, electric,  carbs, and stuff.

If all is closed only hot air comes in.

No advantage I guess. 

 

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Chris 

 


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Dear Ken,

 

a really interesting discussion.

As far I know?.F1 cars do enter air in the engine compartment and waste it through the rear diffusor together with the exhaust fumes.

But maybe I?m not up to date.

 

I only look at my car at speed. What is going on, which air is going where, what item needs cooling, what suffers from heat.

I would say that my car is one of the most reliable cars on the grid.

We don?t have desert races here but the temperatures can climb above 40?C in the shadow. Not often but occasionally.

I don?t look on my car stationary. Stationary cars might profit from wrapped  headers.

 

You?re right, Porsche did the measurements on the crossflow heads. Our heads are even more sensitive to wrapped headers because the header and intake are on the same side and close neighbors.

I gloss polished my intake header to reflect any heat radiation from the exhaust. As a result only conducted heat does heat it up.

Conduction takes place from the head side. The cooler the exhaust header and head is, the less the intake heats up, gives more power as the intake charge remains colder and more dense. 

To cool the exhaust header I need fresh air.

I don?t use an airbox as an airbox is a reflection chamber for all 4  cylinders and I don?t have the opportunity to calculate if the wavefronts of the intake process interfere in a bad manner or in a positive manner. Using no airbox is in my opinion the safe side.

 

I don?t rev my engine high. 5800 or maybe 6200 if needed. The overdrive is keeping the revs low.

My engine is designed to give good torque but not high power. It  produces about 170foot pound something and the curve starts from 3000 ? 5800 rpm.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

Von: kknight at klaenv.com <kknight at klaenv.com> 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2022 16:43
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
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Chris;

 

All interesting points.  However, no modern race car puts any more air through the engine compartment than needed?.at speed.  Notice all those F1 cars being cooled by dry ice fans at rest.  You want just enough air in to cool the radiator and this I have accomplished.  Never a cooling problem at tempartures your side of the pond will likely never see.  All the other componants have all worked well for years.  I do wrap the starter with an insulated blanket for extra protection since is sits right on top of the collector.

 

Several folks have done dyno runs on headers and found no HP difference coated/uncoated.  Comparing a cross flow Porsche race motor to our old lump is pretty meaningless in my opinion in this regard.  Since your carb and intake manifold is sitting right on top of the headers, certainly not the case in the Porsche, keeping them from getting cooked is the best way to  make power.   Even if there were a HP loss from coating, I would bet money on it being less than you get from heating carb/intake manifold.  There is plenty of data on coated headers being able to drop underhood tempartures by significant amounts.   Again, it works on my car as the carbs are getting the coldest air available from in front of the radiator.  The air box is insulated so that is about as good as it gets.  What remains of the air getting in under the hood is getting out.

 

Kas always talked about putting a floor pan on the car, he knew the benefits from when he took a TR4 to the Bonneville Salt Flats.  For what we do it is just not worth the trouble.  I run my car flat with a front dam and very low.  The cockpit is faired in and the car will pull just short of the 7,000 rpm redline with a 3.7 rear gear, which Kas figured was just about as fast as the brick can go for aero reasons.  All the rest of the setup is secret?.Ha!

 

Anyway, great discussion and hope you have much luck racing this summer.  We are off until September and that is likely the last race for me this year.  I am retiring end of year and we have bought a 2 acre ranch property on the Central Coast of California, outside Paso Robles.  It is has shop but I will be expanding to fit the hobby.  Good news is Buttonwillow 64 miles, Willow 174 miles, Laguna Seca 107 miles and Sears Point about 200 + two Kart tracks under 60 miles (I have a TAG racing Kart).  The rest of the year is moving from Las Vegas to Paso and getting set up.  Much to do.

 

Cheers, Ken

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 1:47 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

Dear Ken,

 

Simple thing?..if air is entering from the front (with shroud or without shroud) the air Must go somewhere.

It can?t get in a status that the air can?t go anywhere then there would be no cooling on the radiator.

 

To answer, the air is going from the engine compartment under the car. And a small part along the gearbox tunnel and propshaft tunnel.

There is always air movement. Not sure about the efficiency of the side vents but they surely help and don?t hurt ? if there is no connection to the wheel arches.

If the vents are open to the wheel arches they more vent the wheels and prevent car lift than engine venting.

And not to forget, you don?t get much air through these small vents, compared to the big hole under the car.

I did tafting the engine bay and videoed it to see where the air is going.

 

For that part I rely on having much air in the engine bay for cooling everything.

I never would coat or wrap headers?they would soak engine power of wrapped or coated.

How do I know? Porsche did many tests on this subject. The cooler the exhaust pipe is, the more power.

That?s why I leave everything open.

 

With regards to drag?..the floor of the TR4 is not slick, so drag is not an issue. If the drivers compartment is closed, that would rise the top speed significantly but not if the front is sealed. 

And for lift of the car??I drive in Dago Rake style?..low front , high rear. That creates a slight down force under the car from the wedge shape distance to ground under the chassis.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

Von: kknight at klaenv.com <mailto:kknight at klaenv.com>  <kknight at klaenv.com <mailto:kknight at klaenv.com> > 
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Chris;

 

If more air comes in than can go out, for instance at speed, nothing moves and there is no cooling.  There are only a few ways to get air out from under the hood on a TR, some cowl work, side vents as on factory racers and through the bottom.  With coated headers most of the heat goes down the pipe and the electrics are not that sensitive.  Only fresh ambient temp air reaches the carbs.  I have raced this setup at well over +100f/38c and all was good (water and oil temps).  Less air in means less exiting under the car with lifting and turbulence causing drag.

 

Hey listen, its more work and complex, likely worth only a tenth or so.  Kas liked it and it was fun to engineer.  Have a great summer racing, Ken

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
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Subject: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

 

I'm not unhappy to have some fresh air under the bonnet. 

It cooling everything,  exhaust headers, electric,  carbs, and stuff.

If all is closed only hot air comes in.

No advantage I guess. 

 

Cheers 

Chris 

 


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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Tue Jun 14 22:27:40 2022
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 21:27:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Short Driver Bio Needed for Kastner Program
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Hello FOT,

We got a few extra days to complete our Kastner Cup driver bios and photos.  So if you haven't had a chance, send what you have to Shawn Frank and me.  We have most everyone's car photo for the program but only have about 1/3 of the written driver bios.  So if you want yours printed in the big PVGP program send it in the next couple of days at the latest.  

Thanks.

Curt Johnston
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707-249-1667

>     On 06/09/2022 4:48 PM Curt Johnston <curt.johnston at comcast.net> wrote:
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> 
>     Hello FOT,
> 
>     We are fortunate to have a bit of space in the very large professional program produced by the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix.  At our Race Committee meeting this evening, it was agreed that we could have space for short two (2) line driver bios.......30 words max. 
> 
>     But the deadline is tomorrow!  Sorry about that!
> 
>     If you're signed up for the race, please send your bios to Shawn Frank and me.  Also, if you have a high quality jpeg file, send that as well.  Just include an interesting fact.  Your name and car model/year doesn't count toward the 30 words, so make sure you include that in the heading.
> 
>     Send to both:
> 
>         * Shawn Frank at: my71spit13 at yahoo.com mailto:my71spit13 at yahoo.com
>         * Curt Johnston at:  curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
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>     Thanks!
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>     Curt Johnston
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>     707-249-1667 
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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Jun 16 19:15:50 2022
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 20:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beady eye/ Kastner Race at  Blackhawk Farms.
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Several Triumphs have assembled to honor heroes of our marque. We have our Midwest contingent of loyalists and a few newcomers. 
Several of the cars seem to be cheating.
Thank God the final award will go to a period correct GT6.
Stay tuned for details and commentary on the awesomeness of the race weekend.
 We have spitfires, GT6?s, TR4?s, a TR7 and an Ambro. 
First look says It?s anyone?s game.
Place your bets.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ race cars.

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 19:22:15 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 20:22:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beady eye/ Kastner Race at  Blackhawk Farms.
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Remembering :

Kas Kastner
Bill Dentinger
Bob Wismer
Don Brick
Jim Hill
Jerry Barr
Jack Drews



Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
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Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Jun 16, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Several Triumphs have assembled to honor heroes of our marque. We have our Midwest contingent of loyalists and a few newcomers. 
> Several of the cars seem to be cheating.
> Thank God the final award will go to a period correct GT6.
> Stay tuned for details and commentary on the awesomeness of the race weekend.
> We have spitfires, GT6?s, TR4?s, a TR7 and an Ambro. 
> First look says It?s anyone?s game.
> Place your bets.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing 
> 1969 Triumph GT6+ race cars.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 16 20:25:58 2022
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 21:25:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beady eye/ Kastner Race at  Blackhawk Farms.
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Anyone have room on their crew for Joan and I?
Thanks 
Dennis 

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> On Jun 16, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Remembering :
> 
> Kas Kastner
> Bill Dentinger
> Bob Wismer
> Don Brick
> Jim Hill
> Jerry Barr
> Jack Drews
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Several Triumphs have assembled to honor heroes of our marque. We have our Midwest contingent of loyalists and a few newcomers. 
>> Several of the cars seem to be cheating.
>> Thank God the final award will go to a period correct GT6.
>> Stay tuned for details and commentary on the awesomeness of the race weekend.
>> We have spitfires, GT6?s, TR4?s, a TR7 and an Ambro. 
>> First look says It?s anyone?s game.
>> Place your bets.
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing 
>> 1969 Triumph GT6+ race cars.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Jun 17 04:33:15 2022
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 06:33:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beady eye/ Kastner Race at  Blackhawk Farms.
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Another gathering of the faithful is in full swing at Mosport, the first 
time back since the pandemic for us American folk. We have pairs of 
TR3's, TR4's, GT6's and a TR250. Canadian hospitality is already in full 
swing, the MG Vintage Racers invited all us Triumph folk to their dinner 
last night, they put on fantastic spread.

We too will raise a glass to our fallen heros tomorrow night at the 
VARAC sponsored paddock crawl, but ours will be a quality Canadian 
microbrew.

Run well, my friends...

On 2022-06-16 21:22, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> Remembering :
> 
> Kas Kastner
> Bill Dentinger
> Bob Wismer
> Don Brick
> Jim Hill
> Jerry Barr
> Jack Drews
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Several Triumphs have assembled to honor heroes of our marque. We 
>> have our Midwest contingent of loyalists and a few newcomers.
>> Several of the cars seem to be cheating.
>> Thank God the final award will go to a period correct GT6.
>> Stay tuned for details and commentary on the awesomeness of the race 
>> weekend.
>> We have spitfires, GT6?s, TR4?s, a TR7 and an Ambro.
>> First look says It?s anyone?s game.
>> Place your bets.
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>> 1969 Triumph GT6+ race cars.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
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From mceldowneyandsons at msn.com  Fri Jun 17 11:44:09 2022
From: mceldowneyandsons at msn.com (Brian McEldowney)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 17:44:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] #79
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In memorial of Don Brick and the Beaty Eyed boys?..

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From jason at multivintage.com  Fri Jun 17 20:50:36 2022
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 21:50:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Beady eye/ Kastner Race at  Blackhawk Farms.
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There was our beloved wine and cheese party tonight hosted by Alexander?s and TonyDrews . 
It hit the mark of excellence for what we do.
A real tribute. 
We party, we race, we win.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2022, at 5:33 AM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Another gathering of the faithful is in full swing at Mosport, the first time back since the pandemic for us American folk. We have pairs of TR3's, TR4's, GT6's and a TR250. Canadian hospitality is already in full swing, the MG Vintage Racers invited all us Triumph folk to their dinner last night, they put on fantastic spread.
> 
> We too will raise a glass to our fallen heros tomorrow night at the VARAC sponsored paddock crawl, but ours will be a quality Canadian microbrew.
> 
> Run well, my friends...
> 
>> On 2022-06-16 21:22, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
>> Remembering :
>> Kas Kastner
>> Bill Dentinger
>> Bob Wismer
>> Don Brick
>> Jim Hill
>> Jerry Barr
>> Jack Drews
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>>> On Jun 16, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> ?Several Triumphs have assembled to honor heroes of our marque. We have our Midwest contingent of loyalists and a few newcomers.
>>> Several of the cars seem to be cheating.
>>> Thank God the final award will go to a period correct GT6.
>>> Stay tuned for details and commentary on the awesomeness of the race weekend.
>>> We have spitfires, GT6?s, TR4?s, a TR7 and an Ambro.
>>> First look says It?s anyone?s game.
>>> Place your bets.
>>> Jason Ostrowski
>>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>>> 1969 Triumph GT6+ race cars.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
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From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Sat Jun 18 09:38:25 2022
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2022 11:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beady eye/ Kastner Race at  Blackhawk Farms.
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Hope all you guys have a great time , hope to catch up soon ?.be fast !!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2022, at 10:51 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?There was our beloved wine and cheese party tonight hosted by Alexander?s and TonyDrews . 
> It hit the mark of excellence for what we do.
> A real tribute. 
> We party, we race, we win.
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing 
> 1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2022, at 5:33 AM, yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Another gathering of the faithful is in full swing at Mosport, the first time back since the pandemic for us American folk. We have pairs of TR3's, TR4's, GT6's and a TR250. Canadian hospitality is already in full swing, the MG Vintage Racers invited all us Triumph folk to their dinner last night, they put on fantastic spread.
>> 
>> We too will raise a glass to our fallen heros tomorrow night at the VARAC sponsored paddock crawl, but ours will be a quality Canadian microbrew.
>> 
>> Run well, my friends...
>> 
>>>> On 2022-06-16 21:22, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
>>> Remembering :
>>> Kas Kastner
>>> Bill Dentinger
>>> Bob Wismer
>>> Don Brick
>>> Jim Hill
>>> Jerry Barr
>>> Jack Drews
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>>>> On Jun 16, 2022, at 8:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> ?Several Triumphs have assembled to honor heroes of our marque. We have our Midwest contingent of loyalists and a few newcomers.
>>>> Several of the cars seem to be cheating.
>>>> Thank God the final award will go to a period correct GT6.
>>>> Stay tuned for details and commentary on the awesomeness of the race weekend.
>>>> We have spitfires, GT6?s, TR4?s, a TR7 and an Ambro.
>>>> First look says It?s anyone?s game.
>>>> Place your bets.
>>>> Jason Ostrowski
>>>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>>>> 1969 Triumph GT6+ race cars.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Mon Jun 20 05:32:19 2022
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 07:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Brake question
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVZbjcWHSngzvK62LfqbNUGZcpDcxSJVQT46JakTTsVE3g@mail.gmail.com>

This is a question for the TR3 folks. I have a friend who races a TVR which
has TR3 disks and drums. He's looking for suggestions, specific part
numbers on brake pads and shoes. For some reason, it's hard to cross
reference obscure TVR parts.

thanks in advance

mike h
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 20 14:12:11 2022
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 15:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] tickets for the K-Cup
Message-ID: <CABFvdWvzEveB1x6WiO6FiFRHGgbeh_Vv52J2Wf_Lc51Y5k0rXA@mail.gmail.com>

I wish I was racing but instead I'll be flying in on Friday as a spectator
for the K-Cup. Does anyone have a couple of spare passes for the weekend?

Bob Kramer
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jun 20 21:27:05 2022
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 21:27:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] tickets for the K-Cup
In-Reply-To: <CABFvdWvzEveB1x6WiO6FiFRHGgbeh_Vv52J2Wf_Lc51Y5k0rXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABFvdWvzEveB1x6WiO6FiFRHGgbeh_Vv52J2Wf_Lc51Y5k0rXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64431187-14c7-8e50-1983-4fcd94ef2211@bradakis.com>


On 6/20/22 2:12 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote:
> I wish I was racing but instead I'll be flying in on Friday as a 
> spectator for the K-Cup. Does anyone have a couple of spare passes for 
> the weekend?
>

I hadn't thought about needing a pass to get in.? I am in the same 
situation as Bob, need a spare crew pass or whatever.

mjb.



From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Jun 21 05:51:45 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 07:51:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] tickets for the K-Cup
In-Reply-To: <64431187-14c7-8e50-1983-4fcd94ef2211@bradakis.com>
References: <CABFvdWvzEveB1x6WiO6FiFRHGgbeh_Vv52J2Wf_Lc51Y5k0rXA@mail.gmail.com>
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So, here?s the deal.  Everyone racing gets two free crew.  After that, crew passes are $30 each for the weekend.  I?ve got a full crew plus one already, happy to sign up more, but if you can find someone to add you free it?s, well, free!

Let me know, 
Scott

On Jun 20, 2022, at 11:27 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


On 6/20/22 2:12 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote:
> I wish I was racing but instead I'll be flying in on Friday as a spectator for the K-Cup. Does anyone have a couple of spare passes for the weekend?
> 

I hadn't thought about needing a pass to get in.  I am in the same situation as Bob, need a spare crew pass or whatever.

mjb.


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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Jun 21 06:17:58 2022
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 08:17:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph wins the MG focus event race at Mosport?
Message-ID: <457d777ca6730981d6d618f790f6b6f4@tr4racer.com>

For those of you not familiar with the VARAC Vintage Grand Prix at 
Mosport, thanks to the efforts of Russ Moore there has been a TR/MG 
Challenge race on Sunday afternoon for the past several years. This year 
our friends with the MG Vintage Racers chose the VARAC Vintage Grand 
Prix to hold their annual focus event, so the only way to keep the 
tradition alive was to include the Triumphs in the MG feature. The 
event's competition director happened to be Dave Good, all around great 
guy and MGVR member, he even invited all the Triumph guys to the MGVR 
dinner on Thursday night!

They gridded us by time, the fastest MG on pole, fastest TR on the 
outside of the front row. Next fastest MG, then next fastest TR, etc., 
until there were no more Triumphs and the MG's fell in line. Nick Pratt 
in his amazing Midget was on pole, and while on paper it might look like 
the MG guys were bringing a knife to a gunfight, it was quite the battle 
up front. While Nick's best lap bested the TR250 by a full half second, 
but we prevailed as the race was drawing to a close and somehow pulled 
off a win in the MG focus event race! We also took fourth and eighth 
place!

Yes, I had the good graces to apologize...

We were visited by long-lime FOT member John Harkness, who came to 
nearby Peterborough to show off the amazing MG-TF at MG2022. The MG Car 
Club of Toronto and the North American MGB Register is holding MG2022 
there, what I assume is the MG equivalent to our VTR annual convention. 
It was great to see John again, and by his reaction to a Triumph winning 
the MG race, we can rest assured he still carries a torch for Triumphs!


From alex3rail at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 14:58:41 2022
From: alex3rail at gmail.com (Sean Alexander)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 15:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 LH Front Fender Needed
Message-ID: <CAB2OWxuW6PVuykuwh6dLszWUtR1s=C3K0awKnoH1kUfOZu0UEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Alexander had a great weekend racing the TR4 & Ambro at Blackhawk Farms
this past weekend.

Only bummer is we incurred LH front fender damage in the complex contours
of the leading edge into the wheel arch area.

We will be at the Kastner Cup in July if anyone has one and the ability to
bring to the track

Photo attached of Ambro & TR4 at BHF.

Regards,
Sean Alexander
ARE
the-vintage-racer.com
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 19:56:22 2022
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
Message-ID: <CAAGAaPV7beceWGPH_d=nvgGXspgRrAP7DpR8ZwaQA4aChYMn6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Friends.
  I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use
in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to
convert both to synthetic.
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 20:00:37 2022
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 19:00:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
In-Reply-To: <CAAGAaPV7beceWGPH_d=nvgGXspgRrAP7DpR8ZwaQA4aChYMn6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAGAaPV7beceWGPH_d=nvgGXspgRrAP7DpR8ZwaQA4aChYMn6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C49E9031-3A8E-48CE-8A7C-9C324C276F8A@gmail.com>

Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox. 

Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Friends.
>   I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.  
> Thanks. P.J.
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From fintouch at ptd.net  Tue Jun 21 20:24:19 2022
From: fintouch at ptd.net (Finishing Touch)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:24:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 1975 Duryea Hillclimb in Reading, PA
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 21:14:14 2022
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:14:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 1975 Duryea Hillclimb in Reading, PA
In-Reply-To: <e249e12d-398a-ba04-9522-060fb54f93e0@ptd.net>
References: <e249e12d-398a-ba04-9522-060fb54f93e0@ptd.net>
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Great pic! My TR4 ran PHA events from 1971-73. Any images from that era?

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Finishing Touch via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Jun 21 21:25:53 2022
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 20:25:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
In-Reply-To: <C49E9031-3A8E-48CE-8A7C-9C324C276F8A@gmail.com>
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Same as Brad.
Dave H.
> On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox. 
> 
> Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ?
> > Hi Friends.
> >   I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.  
> > Thanks. P.J.
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From hpspitfire at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 06:26:48 2022
From: hpspitfire at gmail.com (Aaron Johnson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
In-Reply-To: <322073924.1483017.1655868353576@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CAAGAaPV7beceWGPH_d=nvgGXspgRrAP7DpR8ZwaQA4aChYMn6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in the transmission as
well.  Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (racegearbox.com) as he is the
T50 Guru!

aaron

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Same as Brad.
> Dave H.
> > On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox.
> >
> > Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> >
> > Brad Eells
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Hi Friends.
> > >   I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to
> use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to
> convert both to synthetic.
> > > Thanks. P.J.
> > > _______________________________________________
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Wed Jun 22 07:21:21 2022
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 07:21:21 -0600
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
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I have a lot of experience using synthetic lubricants in racing engines, transmissions and differentials. There are lots of advantages such as the differential running cooler etc. however the limited slip probably will not function as effectively. With regards to transmissions it has been my experience that with synthetic lube installed the syncros do not function as effectively and shifts will be slower, you?ll have to double clutch more then parts will fail. 

Walter Hollowell

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 6:27 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Cc: Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube

 

i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in the transmission as well.  Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (racegearbox.com <http://racegearbox.com> ) as he is the T50 Guru!

 

aaron

 

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Same as Brad.
Dave H.
> On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
> 
>  
> Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox. 
> 
> Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
> > 
> > ?
> > Hi Friends.
> >   I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.  
> > Thanks. P.J.
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Jun 22 07:28:17 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:28:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
In-Reply-To: <025b01d8863a$f7bccb80$e7366280$@hot-tr6.com>
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I run Redline MT 85 in my TR6 gearbox, no shifting issues, and Redline 75-90 gear oil in the diff (welded).

On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:21 AM, walt--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I have a lot of experience using synthetic lubricants in racing engines, transmissions and differentials. There are lots of advantages such as the differential running cooler etc. however the limited slip probably will not function as effectively. With regards to transmissions it has been my experience that with synthetic lube installed the syncros do not function as effectively and shifts will be slower, you?ll have to double clutch more then parts will fail. 
Walter Hollowell
 
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 6:27 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net <mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net>>
Cc: Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
 
i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in the transmission as well.  Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (racegearbox.com <http://racegearbox.com/>) as he is the T50 Guru!
 
aaron
 
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Same as Brad.
> Dave H.
> > On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox. 
> > 
> > Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> > 
> > Brad Eells
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > ?
> > > Hi Friends.
> > >   I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.  
> > > Thanks. P.J.
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Jun 22 07:37:18 2022
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
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Ditto...

My experience with synthetic gear oil in gearboxes is less than 
positive. The less than robust syncros we have do not like the more 
slippery synthetics, and any clutch style limited slip differentials 
will suffer as well.

YMMV.

On 2022-06-22 09:21, walt--- via Fot wrote:
> I have a lot of experience using synthetic lubricants in racing
> engines, transmissions and differentials. There are lots of advantages
> such as the differential running cooler etc. however the limited slip
> probably will not function as effectively. With regards to
> transmissions it has been my experience that with synthetic lube
> installed the syncros do not function as effectively and shifts will
> be slower, you?ll have to double clutch more then parts will fail.
> 
> Walter Hollowellacer.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:08:33 +0000
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Us three

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On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:21 AM, walt--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
I have a lot of experience using synthetic lubricants in racing engines, transmissions and differentials. There are lots of advantages such as the differential running cooler etc. however the limited slip probably will not function as effectively. With regards to transmissions it has been my experience that with synthetic lube installed the syncros do not function as effectively and shifts will be slower, you?ll have to double clutch more then parts will fail.
Walter Hollowell

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 6:27 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Cc: Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube

i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in the transmission as well.  Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (racegearbox.com<http://racegearbox.com>) as he is the T50 Guru!

aaron

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Same as Brad.
Dave H.
> On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
>
> Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox.
>
> Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi Friends.
> >   I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.
> > Thanks. P.J.
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Wed Jun 22 08:29:46 2022
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:29:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
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 Yup same here, it makes the sync rings crunchy!

Glen Efinger
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube

Us three

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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 6:27 AM
To: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
Cc: Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube  ? i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in the transmission as well.? Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (racegearbox.com) as he is the T50 Guru!  ? aaron  ? On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 
Same as Brad.
Dave H.
> On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>? 
> Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox. 
> 
> Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ?
> > Hi Friends.
> >? ?I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?? Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.?
> > Thanks. P.J.
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From paulricco at att.net  Wed Jun 22 10:13:26 2022
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:13:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
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P.J.

I know that a lot of people on FOT have had different experiences with lubricants and there is not one correct answer for all people.  So I do not wish to imply that our way is the only way.

We have been testing oils for the last few years.  We wanted to understand how different products and brands worked with our specific car.  

We have removed all sythethic and semi-synthetic lubricants from our car.

We have switched back to very high quality conventional mineral based lubricants.  

Some of the products we are using go back to things that we learned racing Porsche cars 35 years ago.  Things that some of the foremost Porsche racing experts in the US shared with us over the years.  These are people that support many racing winning cars all over the US.  One is an engineer by trade.  Our car is much happier with the conventional lubricants.  We chose brands and products very carefully.  We research the specs in detail and speak to the engineering departments of the companies that produce them.

Our findings are this, cars that were engineered and designed to run conventional mineral based oils sometimes prefer them.  The tolerances and types of gaskets that were used when our cars were designed pre-date the use of synthetic oils in automobiles.  Not to say that synthetics cannot work, however we are happier with our car running very high quality conventional lubricants.  We have found that the additive packages and detergents in modern synthetic are too aggressive for our car.  They were causing us more pains than benefits.  We change the oils on a regular basis, so aggressive additive packages are not a big benefit for us.

A couple things to consider when choosing them:

1.  Gear Oil - If you have a limited slip, make sure it has the correct additive package for the LS.  If you still have brass in the gearbox or diff, make sure the oil does not exclude its use with brass.  This is not as simple as just GL-4 or GL-5 specs.  There are a lot of GL-5 spec oils that are safe with brass.  The brass issue comes down to other additives.  Read the label and check with the company that makes it.
2.  Engine Oil - High ZDDP content is important 

We just got done running pretty hard at BHF in very hot weather.  As many as 4 sessions a day with only 15 minute breaks between some of them.  Our car was very happy with the conventional products that are in it now.  Temperatures of the motor and gearbox were down and shifting was very consistent throughout all sessions.

Just my experience and thoughts.

Paul Ricco

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:29 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Yup same here, it makes the sync rings crunchy!
> 
> Glen Efinger
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
> To: walt at hot-tr6.com <mailto:walt at hot-tr6.com> <walt at hot-tr6.com <mailto:walt at hot-tr6.com>>
> Cc: Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 10:08 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
> 
> Us three
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:21 AM, walt--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
> 
>> ?
> 
> I have a lot of experience using synthetic lubricants in racing engines, transmissions and differentials. There are lots of advantages such as the differential running cooler etc. however the limited slip probably will not function as effectively. With regards to transmissions it has been my experience that with synthetic lube installed the syncros do not function as effectively and shifts will be slower, you?ll have to double clutch more then parts will fail.
> Walter Hollowell
>  
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Aaron Johnson via Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 6:27 AM
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> Cc: Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
>  
> i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in the transmission as well.  Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (racegearbox.com <http://racegearbox.com/>) as he is the T50 Guru!
>  
> aaron
>  
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Same as Brad.
> Dave H.
> > On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox. 
> > 
> > Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> > 
> > Brad Eells
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > ?
> > > Hi Friends.
> > >   I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.  
> > > Thanks. P.J.
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 10:45:26 2022
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:45:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
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We've found it necessary to run synthetic gear oil in the endurance TR6. We
run 8 and 7 hour races in ChampCar and the gear oil takes a beating.  I was
a 100% conventional GL4 believer until we melted the poly diff bushings.
Synthetic gear oil solved that problem.

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 11:13 AM Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> P.J.
>
> I know that a lot of people on FOT have had different experiences with
> lubricants and there is not one correct answer for all people.  So I do not
> wish to imply that our way is the only way.
>
> We have been testing oils for the last few years.  We wanted to understand
> how different products and brands worked with our specific car.
>
> We have removed all sythethic and semi-synthetic lubricants from our car.
>
> We have switched back to very high quality conventional mineral based
> lubricants.
>
> Some of the products we are using go back to things that we learned racing
> Porsche cars 35 years ago.  Things that some of the foremost Porsche racing
> experts in the US shared with us over the years.  These are people that
> support many racing winning cars all over the US.  One is an engineer by
> trade.  Our car is much happier with the conventional lubricants.  We chose
> brands and products very carefully.  We research the specs in detail and
> speak to the engineering departments of the companies that produce them.
>
> Our findings are this, cars that were engineered and designed to run
> conventional mineral based oils sometimes prefer them.  The tolerances and
> types of gaskets that were used when our cars were designed pre-date the
> use of synthetic oils in automobiles.  Not to say that synthetics cannot
> work, however we are happier with our car running very high quality
> conventional lubricants.  We have found that the additive packages and
> detergents in modern synthetic are too aggressive for our car.  They were
> causing us more pains than benefits.  We change the oils on a regular
> basis, so aggressive additive packages are not a big benefit for us.
>
> A couple things to consider when choosing them:
>
> 1.  Gear Oil - If you have a limited slip, make sure it has the correct
> additive package for the LS.  If you still have brass in the gearbox or
> diff, make sure the oil does not exclude its use with brass.  This is not
> as simple as just GL-4 or GL-5 specs.  There are a lot of GL-5 spec oils
> that are safe with brass.  The brass issue comes down to other additives.
> Read the label and check with the company that makes it.
> 2.  Engine Oil - High ZDDP content is important
>
> We just got done running pretty hard at BHF in very hot weather.  As many
> as 4 sessions a day with only 15 minute breaks between some of them.  Our
> car was very happy with the conventional products that are in it now.
> Temperatures of the motor and gearbox were down and shifting was very
> consistent throughout all sessions.
>
> Just my experience and thoughts.
>
> Paul Ricco
>
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:29 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Yup same here, it makes the sync rings crunchy!
>
> Glen Efinger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>
> Cc: Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 10:08 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
>
> Us three
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:21 AM, walt--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> I have a lot of experience using synthetic lubricants in racing engines,
> transmissions and differentials. There are lots of advantages such as the
> differential running cooler etc. however the limited slip probably will not
> function as effectively. With regards to transmissions it has been my
> experience that with synthetic lube installed the syncros do not function
> as effectively and shifts will be slower, you?ll have to double clutch more
> then parts will fail.
> Walter Hollowell
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Aaron Johnson via
> Fot
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 6:27 AM
> *To:* DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
>
> i've heard of good l with lightweight shock proof in the transmission as
> well.  Maybe a quick note to Jamie Houseman (racegearbox.com) as he is
> the T50 Guru!
>
> aaron
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 11:26 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Same as Brad.
> Dave H.
> > On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox.
> >
> > Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> >
> > Brad Eells
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Hi Friends.
> > >   I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to
> use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to
> convert both to synthetic.
> > > Thanks. P.J.
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed Jun 22 13:50:12 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 15:50:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
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Ditto on the MT90 in my W-58.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:26 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Same as Brad.
> Dave H.
>> On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox. 
>> 
>> Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
>> 
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi Friends.
>>>  I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.  
>>> Thanks. P.J.
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Wed Jun 22 14:19:24 2022
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 20:19:24 +0000
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
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What brands are these high quality conventional products ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 3:50 PM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Ditto on the MT90 in my W-58.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:26 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Same as Brad.
>> Dave H.
>>>> On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox. 
>>> 
>>> Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
>>> 
>>> Brad Eells
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Hi Friends.
>>>> I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to convert both to synthetic.  
>>>> Thanks. P.J.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Wed Jun 22 14:25:36 2022
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:25:36 +1000
Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear lube
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i have many decades of race experience and specifically with the Toyota T50
and W57-58 gearboxes since the late 80's

Both gearboxes were fragile from new, and the syncros were barely large
enough to handle the gear mass . Lots of wear on operating forks and syncro
outer hubs. The W series was absurdly heavy for anything buy a large car

when the T50 was built with great care and attention to detail, they would
handle up to about 200hp engines, provided full power rpm was under about
9000. above that, the bearing sizes etc all showed the weaknesses.  above
about 175 HP, the bolt-together cases, started to deflect and we had to
introduce reinforcing straps

thru all this we experimented with various oils, and did not find a
'standout", BUT, in all cases , the various synthetic oils all handled the
temperatures best with the least degradation of the oil

more broadly, we have learned that selecting an oil requires FACTS about
operating temperatures. The T50 in race applications can easily get to
130-150C and in nearly all cases, conventional 80 or 90 weight gear oils
are starting to fall apart  (lab testing needed to prove this). The more
modern synthetic oils can generally handle the higher temps better. Once
you have FACTS about temperatures, then start looking at the kinematic
viscosity of the oils at the temps you are finding.

in some cases, its a compromise between high temperature stability and cold
temperature shifting. it may not be sold in USA, but ELF supply a race
specific gear oil that is well and truly proven to solve this.

in some race categories we were permitted to use a transmission oil pump
and cooler, and this expanded the choice of oils and grades, albeit at the
expense of extra weight and complications. in a few cases we deliberately
built cars below homologated race weight so we could add diff and trans oil
coolers and bring the weight back up to minimum. perhaps an overkill for
race TR's??

in contrast, i have nothing good to say at all about the various Redline
"shockproof" oils and intending users should research them carefully

Terry
Australia



On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 5:51 AM Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Ditto on the MT90 in my W-58.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:26 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Same as Brad.
> > Dave H.
> >> On 06/21/2022 7:00 PM Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Redline MT-90 GL-4 for the gearbox.
> >>
> >> Redline Lightweight Shockproof for the diff.
> >>
> >> Brad Eells
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 6:56 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?
> >>> Hi Friends.
> >>>  I am looking for recommendations as to which synthetic gear lube to
> use in my GT6?  Transmission is Toyota T50, rear end is GT6 ,would like to
> convert both to synthetic.
> >>> Thanks. P.J.
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 22 14:36:37 2022
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 15:36:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Triple Webers for Sale
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AMICI
NFI
One of my Triumph club members is selling his TR6 triple Italian 40 149?s with manifolds.
If interested I will give you the contact info.
Dennis 
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 15:46:22 2022
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 16:46:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Synthetic gear lube
Message-ID: <CAAGAaPW=OfNOtLaUncOvWF7dU0ECgE1xKfQODjmVNdpYWXc7BQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all for the replies and opinions.
 I couldn't help but notice that no one mentioned any Amsoil products. When
we were racing our TR250 we used Amsoil in the rear end and reduced the
dif. temp considerably from petroleum based gearlube. That was however, at
a time when there were not many choices for synthetics.
                     P.J.
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From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 22 16:25:26 2022
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 22:25:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Synthetic gear lube
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For the engine I use Joe Gibbs HR 20 50 oil iand use redline for the diff and w58 transmission. All good so far. I know the engine looked really good when horizon racing rebuilt it. We will see after the next rebuild?

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  On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:46 PM, McKearn McKearn via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   Thanks to all for the replies and opinions.?
?I couldn't help but notice that no one mentioned any Amsoil products. When we were racing our TR250 we used Amsoil in the rear end and reduced the dif. temp considerably from petroleum?based gearlube. That was however, at a time when there were not many choices for synthetics.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?P.J._______________________________________________
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Jun 24 11:19:00 2022
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 12:19:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for Turn Key Spitfire for a friend.
References: <05653842-5D8B-475B-8DA8-FF6ED6B96508.ref@cs.com>
Message-ID: <05653842-5D8B-475B-8DA8-FF6ED6B96508@cs.com>

Turn Key is good, but a roller could be considered, as he has a race prepared engine.  East Coast preferred.

Thank you.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711



From jlesnowski at aol.com  Fri Jun 24 12:32:40 2022
From: jlesnowski at aol.com (jlesnowski)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 14:32:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for Turn Key Spitfire for a friend.
In-Reply-To: <05653842-5D8B-475B-8DA8-FF6ED6B96508@cs.com>
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Hi Joe,I have a race ready '64 I would like to sell.? It is the ex Steve Groh Spit with a Russ Moore motor.I am in Williamsburg Va.? I might have already sent you some info on the car.Joe LesnowskiSent from my Galaxy Tab A
-------- Original message --------From: JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 6/24/22  1:20 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Looking for Turn Key Spitfire for a friend. Turn Key is good, but a roller could be considered, as he has a race prepared engine.? East Coast preferred.Thank you.Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell:? 319.464.4711_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jlesnowski at aol.com
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri Jun 24 13:46:52 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 15:46:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for Turn Key Spitfire for a friend.
In-Reply-To: <1017041660.1114046.1656095564882@aol.com>
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That is a very nice car. Steve may want it back..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2022, at 2:32 PM, jlesnowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Joe,
> I have a race ready '64 I would like to sell.  It is the ex Steve Groh Spit with a Russ Moore motor.
> I am in Williamsburg Va.  I might have already sent you some info on the car.
> Joe Lesnowski
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab A
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 6/24/22 1:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Looking for Turn Key Spitfire for a friend.
> 
> Turn Key is good, but a roller could be considered, as he has a race prepared engine.  East Coast preferred.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 24 14:24:00 2022
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:24:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for Turn Key Spitfire for a friend.
In-Reply-To: <E25CC324-8574-4507-A0A2-8DB9883E4AEC@me.com>
References: <1017041660.1114046.1656095564882@aol.com>
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 I agree completely. It's "wicked fast".
:-)

    On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 04:08:13 PM EDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 That is a very nice car. Steve may want it back..

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2022, at 2:32 PM, jlesnowski via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
Hi Joe,I have a race ready '64 I would like to sell.? It is the ex Steve Groh Spit with a Russ Moore motor.I am in Williamsburg Va.? I might have already sent you some info on the car.Joe Lesnowski


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-------- Original message --------From: JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> Date: 6/24/22 1:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Looking for Turn Key Spitfire for a friend. 
Turn Key is good, but a roller could be considered, as he has a race prepared engine.? East Coast preferred.

Thank you.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Mon Jun 27 10:10:33 2022
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 09:10:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
Message-ID: <1764983525.928297.1656346233179@connect.xfinity.com>

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help. 

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. 

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031 (motorsportreg.com) https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031

Thanks.

Curt Johnston
Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 27 11:08:47 2022
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 17:08:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Can I run nitrous if I have legal tires?

Marty



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-------- Original message --------
From: Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 6/27/22 12:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsportreg.com%2Fevents%2F2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031&data=05%7C01%7C%7C6ecc6223830a4e15315308da5857ab2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637919430810723142%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Imz5V57PR%2FduUf83yI89hfJwqKyCiY27Fu2o0De%2BcnY%3D&reserved=0> (motorsportreg.com)<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsportreg.com%2Fevents%2F2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031&data=05%7C01%7C%7C6ecc6223830a4e15315308da5857ab2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637919430810723142%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Imz5V57PR%2FduUf83yI89hfJwqKyCiY27Fu2o0De%2BcnY%3D&reserved=0>

Thanks.

Curt Johnston
Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
curt.johnston at comcast.net<mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net>
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 11:11:41 2022
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:11:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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References: <1764983525.928297.1656346233179@connect.xfinity.com>
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Only in the tire.

mike h

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:09 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Can I run nitrous if I have legal tires?
>
> Marty
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Date: 6/27/22 12:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>
> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup
> this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for
> the 20th Kastner Cup!
>
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our
> group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks"
> rule for Triumphs.  You can run *grooved slick tires* in the Kastner
> Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will
> not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that
> don't have tire options this will certainly help.
>
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason,
> please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.
>
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  *After July 1,
> the fee goes up to **$645, so act now!*
> *2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsportreg.com%2Fevents%2F2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031&data=05%7C01%7C%7C6ecc6223830a4e15315308da5857ab2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637919430810723142%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Imz5V57PR%2FduUf83yI89hfJwqKyCiY27Fu2o0De%2BcnY%3D&reserved=0>*
> (motorsportreg.com)
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>
> Thanks.
>
> Curt Johnston
> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 11:20:25 2022
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Curt, why the last minute 180 on the "no exceptions" tire rules?

Jason Sukey

The guy who just purchased a new set of Toyos for this race.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 12:11 PM Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup
> this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for
> the 20th Kastner Cup!
>
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our
> group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks"
> rule for Triumphs.  You can run *grooved slick tires* in the Kastner
> Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will
> not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that
> don't have tire options this will certainly help.
>
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason,
> please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.
>
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  *After July 1,
> the fee goes up to **$645, so act now!*
> *2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race
> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>*
> (motorsportreg.com)
> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Curt Johnston
> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
> curt.johnston at comcast.net
> 707-249-1667
>
>
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From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Jun 27 11:39:18 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:39:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
In-Reply-To: <1764983525.928297.1656346233179@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1764983525.928297.1656346233179@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <99A5D81F-EF3B-47C5-9D4B-CEA73F7FAD13@me.com>

Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 
> 
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help. 
> 
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. 
> 
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
> 2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race (motorsportreg.com)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Curt Johnston
> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
> curt.johnston at comcast.net
> 707-249-1667
> 
> 
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> 
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From lymanazhd at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 11:43:28 2022
From: lymanazhd at yahoo.com (Lyman Scherer)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 10:43:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Verify the Hoosier Speedster DOT P205/R15
is legal for Kastner Cup and spec run group for the TR3. Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Curt, why the last minute 180 on the "no exceptions" tire rules?  
> 
> Jason Sukey 
> 
> The guy who just purchased a new set of Toyos for this race. 
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 12:11 PM Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 
>> 
>> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help. 
>> 
>> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. 
>> 
>> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
>> 2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race (motorsportreg.com)
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Curt Johnston
>> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
>> curt.johnston at comcast.net
>> 707-249-1667
>> 
>> 
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From bdolan1776 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 11:44:53 2022
From: bdolan1776 at gmail.com (Brian Dolan)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:44:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while
setting standards for who can podium.

Am I missing something on that angle?

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which
> typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for
> this event.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup
> this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for
> the 20th Kastner Cup!
>
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our
> group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks"
> rule for Triumphs.  You can run *grooved slick tires* in the Kastner
> Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will
> not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that
> don't have tire options this will certainly help.
>
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason,
> please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.
>
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  *After July 1,
> the fee goes up to **$645, so act now!*
> *2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race
> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>*
> (motorsportreg.com)
> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Curt Johnston
> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
> curt.johnston at comcast.net
> 707-249-1667
>
>
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 11:49:16 2022
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:49:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums
during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
Jason

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while
> setting standards for who can podium.
>
> Am I missing something on that angle?
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which
>> typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for
>> this event.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup
>> this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for
>> the 20th Kastner Cup!
>>
>> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our
>> group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks"
>> rule for Triumphs.  You can run *grooved slick tires* in the Kastner
>> Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will
>> not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that
>> don't have tire options this will certainly help.
>>
>> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason,
>> please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.
>>
>> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  *After July 1,
>> the fee goes up to **$645, so act now!*
>> *2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race
>> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>*
>> (motorsportreg.com)
>> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Curt Johnston
>> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
>> curt.johnston at comcast.net
>> 707-249-1667
>>
>>
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>>
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 11:59:48 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:59:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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The FOT tries to rely more on common sense than rules.



Joe Alexander
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The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
> Jason
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 
>> 
>> Am I missing something on that angle? 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 
>>>> 
>>>> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help. 
>>>> 
>>>> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. 
>>>> 
>>>> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
>>>> 2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race (motorsportreg.com)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Curt Johnston
>>>> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
>>>> curt.johnston at comcast.net
>>>> 707-249-1667
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>> 
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 27 12:31:02 2022
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:31:02 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Slicks, fiberglass, what's next full SCCA cars? Just sayin....

Marty, at the back of the pack but....
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

The FOT tries to rely more on common sense than rules.



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On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
Jason

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium.

Am I missing something on that angle?

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

?
Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
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Thanks.

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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Mon Jun 27 13:03:14 2022
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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As I understand things, the Kastner Cup has not had many restrictions other than being a "Triumph powered race car".  Joe Alexander mentioned the rules are more common sense than strict regulations.  But please see the attached VRG rules on tires.  The options simply don't fit some cars, so a compromise was reached to allow cars to run that otherwise would not attend.  So hopefully this will increase the car count. 

With treaded grooved slicks a car is eligible for KCup awards.  But the car is not eligible for any other PGVP/VRG awards such as a podium position.  So basically cars with grooved slicks are running practice laps other than the two KCup races.  That's a pretty significant impact on someone's weekend.  If someone has an option to run the tires below, they will.  But if it requires purchasing new wheels and totally changing the set up of the car for one race, they likely wouldn't do it.

Below are excerpts from the VRG tire regulations.

Some examples of acceptable tires:
* Avon ACB10
* Goodyear Blue Streak
* Hoosier Street TD & Speedster
* Toyo RA1, R888- R888R, R1R
NON-DOT Racing Tires: The non-DOT treaded racing tires listed below are approved for VRG competition:
? Avon: ACB9, CR6ZZ, A29, H-003 and H-009
? Goodyear: BlueStreaks, Vintage Sports Car Specials, G12 and G12A
? Hoosier: Vintage TD, Street TD, Speedster, TDR, TDS, R35B, and VFF
? Dunlop: L-series, M-series, CR65, and CR82

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>     On 06/27/2022 11:31 AM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Slicks, fiberglass, what's next full SCCA cars? Just sayin....
> 
>     Marty, at the back of the pack but....
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>     Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 1:59 PM
>     To: Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com>
>     Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
> 
>     The FOT tries to rely more on common sense than rules.
> 
> 
> 
>     Joe Alexander
>     4505 Donald Dr
>     Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>     The-vintage-racer.com
>     Gasketinnovations.com
>     Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> 
>         > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     > 
>         > >         The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
> >         Jason
> > 
> >         On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > >             Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 
> > > 
> > >             Am I missing something on that angle? 
> > > 
> > >             On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Sent from my iPhone
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > >                     Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. 
> > > > > 
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> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Thanks.
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Curt Johnston
> > > > >                     Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
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> > > > >                     707-249-1667
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 13:27:00 2022
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:27:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Curt,
      I am very familiar with the VRG tire rules and common sense.  Many of
us are running cars with SCCA history (full racing slicks) that have been
converted to run vintage legal rubber.

My main complaint in this matter is the rules you provided to all of FOT
back in March were very clear on what tires would/would not be acceptable
at Kastner Cup.  To change those rules less than 3 wheels prior to the
event is a disappointment to all of us who were excited for an even playing
field.  This should've been communicated to all racers long ago.

Jason Sukey

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 3:03 PM Curt Johnston <curt.johnston at comcast.net>
wrote:

> As I understand things, the Kastner Cup has not had many restrictions
> other than being a "Triumph powered race car".  Joe Alexander mentioned the
> rules are more common sense than strict regulations.  But please see the
> attached VRG rules on tires.  The options simply don't fit some cars, so a
> compromise was reached to allow cars to run that otherwise would not
> attend.  So hopefully this will increase the car count.
>
> With treaded grooved slicks a car is eligible for KCup awards.  But the
> car is not eligible for any other PGVP/VRG awards such as a podium
> position.  So basically cars with grooved slicks are running practice laps
> other than the two KCup races.  That's a pretty significant impact on
> someone's weekend.  If someone has an option to run the tires below, they
> will.  But if it requires purchasing new wheels and totally changing the
> set up of the car for one race, they likely wouldn't do it.
>
> Below are excerpts from the VRG tire regulations.
>
> Some examples of acceptable tires:
>
>    - Avon ACB10
>    - Goodyear Blue Streak
>    - Hoosier Street TD & Speedster
>    - Toyo RA1, R888- R888R, R1R
>
> NON-DOT Racing Tires: The non-DOT treaded racing tires listed below are
> approved for VRG competition:
> ? Avon: ACB9, CR6ZZ, A29, H-003 and H-009
> ? Goodyear: BlueStreaks, Vintage Sports Car Specials, G12 and G12A
> ? Hoosier: Vintage TD, Street TD, Speedster, TDR, TDS, R35B, and VFF
> ? Dunlop: L-series, M-series, CR65, and CR82
>
> Curt Johnston
> curt.johnston at comcast.net
> 707-249-1667
>
> On 06/27/2022 11:31 AM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Slicks, fiberglass, what's next full SCCA cars? Just sayin....
>
> Marty, at the back of the pack but....
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Alexander via
> Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2022 1:59 PM
> *To:* Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>
> The FOT tries to rely more on common sense than rules.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums
> during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while
> setting standards for who can podium.
>
> Am I missing something on that angle?
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which
> typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for
> this event.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup
> this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for
> the 20th Kastner Cup!
>
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our
> group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks"
> rule for Triumphs.  You can run *grooved slick tires* in the Kastner
> Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will
> not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that
> don't have tire options this will certainly help.
>
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason,
> please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.
>
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  *After July 1,
> the fee goes up to **$645, so act now!*
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>
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Mon Jun 27 13:30:37 2022
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:30:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Sorry about this Jason.  You're right of course.  We found out last month and there was a delay on my part getting the word out.

Curt

>     On 06/27/2022 12:27 PM Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Curt, 
>           I am very familiar with the VRG tire rules and common sense.  Many of us are running cars with SCCA history (full racing slicks) that have been converted to run vintage legal rubber.
> 
>     My main complaint in this matter is the rules you provided to all of FOT back in March were very clear on what tires would/would not be acceptable at Kastner Cup.  To change those rules less than 3 wheels prior to the event is a disappointment to all of us who were excited for an even playing field.  This should've been communicated to all racers long ago.
> 
>     Jason Sukey
> 
>     On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 3:03 PM Curt Johnston <curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net > wrote:
> 
>         > >         As I understand things, the Kastner Cup has not had many restrictions other than being a "Triumph powered race car".  Joe Alexander mentioned the rules are more common sense than strict regulations.  But please see the attached VRG rules on tires.  The options simply don't fit some cars, so a compromise was reached to allow cars to run that otherwise would not attend.  So hopefully this will increase the car count. 
> > 
> >         With treaded grooved slicks a car is eligible for KCup awards.  But the car is not eligible for any other PGVP/VRG awards such as a podium position.  So basically cars with grooved slicks are running practice laps other than the two KCup races.  That's a pretty significant impact on someone's weekend.  If someone has an option to run the tires below, they will.  But if it requires purchasing new wheels and totally changing the set up of the car for one race, they likely wouldn't do it.
> > 
> >         Below are excerpts from the VRG tire regulations.
> > 
> >         Some examples of acceptable tires:
> >             * Avon ACB10
> >             * Goodyear Blue Streak
> >             * Hoosier Street TD & Speedster
> >             * Toyo RA1, R888- R888R, R1R
> >         NON-DOT Racing Tires: The non-DOT treaded racing tires listed below are approved for VRG competition:
> >              ? Avon: ACB9, CR6ZZ, A29, H-003 and H-009
> >              ? Goodyear: BlueStreaks, Vintage Sports Car Specials, G12 and G12A
> >              ? Hoosier: Vintage TD, Street TD, Speedster, TDR, TDS, R35B, and VFF
> >              ? Dunlop: L-series, M-series, CR65, and CR82
> > 
> >         Curt Johnston
> >         curt.johnston at comcast.net mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net
> >         707-249-1667
> > 
> >             > > >             On 06/27/2022 11:31 AM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Slicks, fiberglass, what's next full SCCA cars? Just sayin....
> > > 
> > >             Marty, at the back of the pack but....
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             ---------------------------------------------
> > >             From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net > on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> > >             Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 1:59 PM
> > >             To: Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com mailto:jsukey at gmail.com >
> > >             Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net >
> > >             Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
> > > 
> > >             The FOT tries to rely more on common sense than rules.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Joe Alexander
> > >             4505 Donald Dr
> > >             Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> > >             The-vintage-racer.com
> > >             Gasketinnovations.com
> > >             Cell:  319.464.4711
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >                 > > > >                 The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
> > > >                 Jason
> > > > 
> > > >                 On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > >                     Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Am I missing something on that angle? 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                         > > > > > >                         Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                             > > > > > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                         > > > > > > 
> > > > > >                             > > > > > > >                             Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                             I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                             So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                             Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
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> > > > > > >                             Thanks.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                             Curt Johnston
> > > > > > >                             Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 27 15:21:33 2022
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Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 23:21:33 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Just a question.

 

When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.

Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
An: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.

Jason

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 

 

Am I missing something on that angle? 

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 

 

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.  

 

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  

 

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now! 

2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  (motorsportreg.com) <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  

 

Thanks. 

 

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 27 15:46:14 2022
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 23:46:14 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Maybe to add from my chats with Kas himself.

 

As far I know about the K-Cup it is not the car which cross the finish first is the K-Cup winner, it is the car with ?out of class performance? who wins.

 

A TR8 on slicks is a disadvantage to win. Too much power, too wide track, too modern design.

 

If I would chose a car to win the K-Cup, it would be a 1.1L Spitfire on TD tires :), a underpowered car, driven like stolen.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <tr4racing at gmail.com> 
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:22
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Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' <Fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

Just a question.

 

When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.

Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
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Cc: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net <mailto:Fot at autox.team.net> >
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.

Jason

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 

 

Am I missing something on that angle? 

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 

 

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.  

 

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  

 

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now! 

2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  (motorsportreg.com) <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  

 

Thanks. 

 

Curt Johnston 

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curt.johnston at comcast.net <mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net>  

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From sjanzen at me.com  Mon Jun 27 15:53:51 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 17:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing.  I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.
I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights.  
Just my 2 cents.
Scott

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Just a question.
 
When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.
Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?
 
Cheers
Chris
 
 
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
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Cc: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net <mailto:Fot at autox.team.net>>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
 
The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
Jason
 
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 
>  
> Am I missing something on that angle? 
>  
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? 
>>> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 
>>>  
>>> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.  
>>>  
>>> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  
>>>  
>>> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
>>> 2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>?(motorsportreg.com) <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>
>>>  
>>> Thanks. 
>>>  
>>> Curt Johnston 
>>> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair 
>>> curt.johnston at comcast.net <mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net>
>>> 707-249-1667 
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From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Jun 27 16:17:20 2022
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 17:17:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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The winner of the Kastner Cup displays a certain sense of Triumph excellence. 
One must make a significant contribution to the hobby.
 One must be able to communicate how to win and not be beaten by equipment.
And one must be able to drive with a wit and on the edge...almost like there is no tomorrow. 
This measure reaches far beyond any rule.
It is more about individuals, cars, and teams.

Jason Ostrowski 
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> On Jun 27, 2022, at 4:54 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing.  I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.
> I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights.  
> Just my 2 cents.
> Scott
> 
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Just a question.
>  
> When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.
> Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?
>  
> Cheers
> Chris
>  
>  
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
> An: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>
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> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>  
> The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
> Jason
>  
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 
>>  
>> Am I missing something on that angle? 
>>  
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? 
>>>> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 
>>>>  
>>>> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.  
>>>>  
>>>> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  
>>>>  
>>>> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
>>>> 2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race (motorsportreg.com)
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks. 
>>>>  
>>>> Curt Johnston 
>>>> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair 
>>>> curt.johnston at comcast.net
>>>> 707-249-1667 
>>>>  
>>>>  
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From bdolan1776 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 13:29:18 2022
From: bdolan1776 at gmail.com (Brian Dolan)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Winning the race isn?t everything

Thanks for clarifying.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 3:05 PM Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> As I understand things, the Kastner Cup has not had many restrictions
> other than being a "Triumph powered race car".  Joe Alexander mentioned the
> rules are more common sense than strict regulations.  But please see the
> attached VRG rules on tires.  The options simply don't fit some cars, so a
> compromise was reached to allow cars to run that otherwise would not
> attend.  So hopefully this will increase the car count.
>
> With treaded grooved slicks a car is eligible for KCup awards.  But the
> car is not eligible for any other PGVP/VRG awards such as a podium
> position.  So basically cars with grooved slicks are running practice laps
> other than the two KCup races.  That's a pretty significant impact on
> someone's weekend.  If someone has an option to run the tires below, they
> will.  But if it requires purchasing new wheels and totally changing the
> set up of the car for one race, they likely wouldn't do it.
>
> Below are excerpts from the VRG tire regulations.
>
> Some examples of acceptable tires:
>
>    - Avon ACB10
>    - Goodyear Blue Streak
>    - Hoosier Street TD & Speedster
>    - Toyo RA1, R888- R888R, R1R
>
> NON-DOT Racing Tires: The non-DOT treaded racing tires listed below are
> approved for VRG competition:
> ? Avon: ACB9, CR6ZZ, A29, H-003 and H-009
> ? Goodyear: BlueStreaks, Vintage Sports Car Specials, G12 and G12A
> ? Hoosier: Vintage TD, Street TD, Speedster, TDR, TDS, R35B, and VFF
> ? Dunlop: L-series, M-series, CR65, and CR82
>
> Curt Johnston
> curt.johnston at comcast.net
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>
> On 06/27/2022 11:31 AM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Slicks, fiberglass, what's next full SCCA cars? Just sayin....
>
> Marty, at the back of the pack but....
>
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> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Alexander via
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> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2022 1:59 PM
> *To:* Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>
> The FOT tries to rely more on common sense than rules.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
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> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:49 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums
> during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while
> setting standards for who can podium.
>
> Am I missing something on that angle?
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which
> typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for
> this event.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup
> this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for
> the 20th Kastner Cup!
>
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our
> group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks"
> rule for Triumphs.  You can run *grooved slick tires* in the Kastner
> Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will
> not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that
> don't have tire options this will certainly help.
>
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason,
> please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.
>
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  *After July 1,
> the fee goes up to **$645, so act now!*
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>
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From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 00:37:15 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Scott,

 

I?m not familiar with the US rules of racing.

On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.

Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that date.

There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA rules.

 

Now the problem:

In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.

Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can?t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can?t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.

They?re all different animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a good part predictable.

 

I?m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don?t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.

I don?t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.

 

I don?t know if the tires are already ordered but if they?re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.

If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

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Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing.  I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.

I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights.  

Just my 2 cents.

Scott

 

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

Just a question.

 

When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.

Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
An: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com <mailto:bdolan1776 at gmail.com> >
Cc: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net <mailto:Fot at autox.team.net> >
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.

Jason

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 

 

Am I missing something on that angle? 

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 

 

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.  

 

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  

 

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!

2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  (motorsportreg.com)

 

Thanks. 

 

Curt Johnston 

Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair 

curt.johnston at comcast.net <mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net> 

707-249-1667 

 

 

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 28 10:10:50 2022
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:10:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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 I'll BRING A CASE OF WD40, JUST IN CASE.
:-)

    On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 11:59:11 AM EDT, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
Scott,

 ?

I?m not familiar with the US rules of racing.

On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.

Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that date.

There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA rules.

 ?

Now the problem:

In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.

Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can?t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can?t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.

They?re all different animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a good part predictable.

 ?

I?m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don?t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.

I don?t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.

 ?

I don?t know if the tires are already ordered but if they?re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.

If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.

 ?

Cheers

Chris

 ?

 ?

 ?

Von: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> 
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 ?

tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it. ? VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here. ?However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin! ?Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing. ?I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires. ?It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster. ?We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.

I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards. ?I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights. ?

Just my 2 cents.

Scott

 ?

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 ?

Just a question.

?

When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.

Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?

?

Cheers

Chris

?

?

Von:?Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>?Im Auftrag von?Jason Sukey via Fot
Gesendet:?Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
An:?Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>
Cc:?Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff:?Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

?

The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.

Jason

?

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium.?

?

Am I missing something on that angle??

?

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event. ?

?

Sent from my iPhone







On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



??

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).? But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!?

?

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.? PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.? You can run?grooved slick tires?in the Kastner Cup.? You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.? For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.??

?

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.??

?

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.??After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!

2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race?(motorsportreg.com)

?

Thanks.?

?

Curt Johnston?

Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair?

curt.johnston at comcast.net

707-249-1667?

?

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue Jun 28 10:29:15 2022
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 12:29:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Bob, no need for extra oil, remember, this is a field full of British
engined cars. Bring a case of kitty litter instead.

Mike H

FYI, for reference, these are the tire rules for our series, The Historic
Racing Group. We'll allow slicks on a pre approved basis but the car is put
in a group that can't get any points or wins, they're just on track to play
with the other cars.

April 20, 2018 - Tire Rule Update
 HRG will retain our traditional rule, any DOT approved tire. This includes
DOT approved competition tires like Hoosier R7s and Toyo Proxes. In
addition, we will allow any treaded racing tire designated as Vintage or
Historic by the manufacturer.

 Slick tires will only be allowed on a pre approved basis for visiting
drivers who wish to try our series. All cars with unapproved tires will be
put in Race Group 6 which does not award season points.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 12:11 PM Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'll BRING A CASE OF WD40, JUST IN CASE.
>
> :-)
>
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 11:59:11 AM EDT, Chris Marx via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Scott,
>
>
>
> I?m not familiar with the US rules of racing.
>
> On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.
>
> Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that
> date.
>
> There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow
> slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the
> historic correct FIA rules.
>
>
>
> Now the problem:
>
> In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all
> had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification
> regulations.
>
> Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can?t hold up with a TR6 and a
> TR6 can?t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.
>
> They?re all different animals on different modification levels and the
> outcome is for a good part predictable.
>
>
>
> I?m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don?t bother about
> tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.
>
> I don?t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if
> necessary.
>
>
>
> I don?t know if the tires are already ordered but if they?re slicks, we
> cut them to make them fitting the rules.
>
> If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54
> *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com
> *Cc:* Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com>; Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>;
> 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>
>
>
> tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I
> understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have
> never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it?s
> not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded
> tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is
> basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be
> self-policing.  I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because
> of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the
> Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east
> coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an
> unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car
> on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our
> cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but
> that?s not vintage.
>
> I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event,
> even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I
> personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve
> lost your bragging rights.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Just a question.
>
>
>
> When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in
> the K-Cup race.
>
> Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *Jason Sukey via
> Fot
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
> *An:* Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>
>
>
> The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums
> during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while
> setting standards for who can podium.
>
>
>
> Am I missing something on that angle?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which
> typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for
> this event.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup
> this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for
> the 20th Kastner Cup!
>
>
>
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our
> group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks"
> rule for Triumphs.  You can run *grooved slick tires* in the Kastner
> Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will
> not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that
> don't have tire options this will certainly help.
>
>
>
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason,
> please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.
>
>
>
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  *After July 1,
> the fee goes up to $645, so act now!*
>
> *2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race
> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>*
>  (motorsportreg.com)
> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Curt Johnston
>
> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair
>
> curt.johnston at comcast.net
>
> 707-249-1667
>
>
>
>
>
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue Jun 28 13:03:29 2022
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 12:03:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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At the four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as eligible in your home club.  When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Buttonwillow  VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in your club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions asked.  VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won, no exclusions for tires.  This sounds like a sensible way to race the K Cup and it will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this year, tires and finishing place position have never dictated the winner.

Ken

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From: Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 AM
To: 'Scott Janzen'; tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

Scott,

I?m not familiar with the US rules of racing.
On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.
Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that date.
There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA rules.

Now the problem:
In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.
Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can?t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can?t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.
They?re all different animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a good part predictable.

I?m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don?t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.
I don?t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.

I don?t know if the tires are already ordered but if they?re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.
If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.

Cheers
Chris



Von: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> 
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com>; Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it. ? VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here. ?However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin! ?Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing. ?I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires. ?It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster. ?We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.
I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards. ?I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights. ?
Just my 2 cents.
Scott

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Just a question.
?
When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.
Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?
?
Cheers
Chris
?
?
Von:?Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>?Im Auftrag von?Jason Sukey via Fot
Gesendet:?Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
An:?Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>
Cc:?Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff:?Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
?
The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
Jason
?
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium.?
?
Am I missing something on that angle??
?
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event. ?
?
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
??
Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).? But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!?
?
I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.? PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.? You can run?grooved slick tires?in the Kastner Cup.? You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.? For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.??
?
So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.??
?
Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.??After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race?(motorsportreg.com)
?
Thanks.?
?
Curt Johnston?
Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair?
curt.johnston at comcast.net
707-249-1667?
?
?
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From steve at artwithcars.com  Tue Jun 28 13:10:33 2022
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 12:10:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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Whatever tires you got, remember, ?to finish first, you must first finish?    



~Steve


> On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> At the four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as eligible in your home club.  When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Buttonwillow  VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in your club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions asked.  VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won, no exclusions for tires.  This sounds like a sensible way to race the K Cup and it will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this year, tires and finishing place position have never dictated the winner.
>  
> Ken
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Chris Marx via Fot
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 AM
> To: 'Scott Janzen'; tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>  
> Scott,
>  
> I?m not familiar with the US rules of racing.
> On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.
> Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that date.
> There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA rules.
>  
> Now the problem:
> In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.
> Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can?t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can?t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.
> They?re all different animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a good part predictable.
>  
> I?m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don?t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.
> I don?t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.
>  
> I don?t know if the tires are already ordered but if they?re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.
> If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.
>  
> Cheers
> Chris
>  
>  
>  
> Von: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> 
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com>; Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>  
> tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing.  I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.
> I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights.  
> Just my 2 cents.
> Scott
>  
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Just a question.
>  
> When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.
> Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?
>  
> Cheers
> Chris
>  
>  
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
> An: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net>
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
>  
> The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
> Jason
>  
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 
>  
> Am I missing something on that angle? 
>  
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ? 
> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 
>  
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.  
>  
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  
>  
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
> 2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race (motorsportreg.com)
>  
> Thanks. 
>  
> Curt Johnston 
> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair 
> curt.johnston at comcast.net
> 707-249-1667 
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Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 21:19:04 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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What I painfully learned at Watkins Glen.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Steven Belfer via Fot
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juni 2022 21:11
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

Whatever tires you got, remember, ?to finish first, you must first finish?    

 

 

~Steve

 

 

On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

At the four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as eligible in your home club.  When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Buttonwillow  VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in your club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions asked.  VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won, no exclusions for tires.  This sounds like a sensible way to race the K Cup and it will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this year, tires and finishing place position have never dictated the winner.

 

Ken

 

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From: Chris Marx via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 AM
To: 'Scott Janzen' <mailto:sjanzen at me.com> ; tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

Scott,

 

I?m not familiar with the US rules of racing.

On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.

Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that date.

There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA rules.

 

Now the problem:

In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.

Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can?t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can?t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.

They?re all different animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a good part predictable.

 

I?m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don?t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.

I don?t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.

 

I don?t know if the tires are already ordered but if they?re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.

If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

Von: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com <mailto:sjanzen at me.com> > 
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com <mailto:jsukey at gmail.com> >; Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com <mailto:bdolan1776 at gmail.com> >; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing.  I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.

I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights.  

Just my 2 cents.

Scott

 

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

Just a question.

 

When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.

Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
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Cc: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net <mailto:Fot at autox.team.net> >
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.

Jason

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 

 

Am I missing something on that angle? 

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 

 

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.  

 

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  

 

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!

2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  (motorsportreg.com)

 

Thanks. 

 

Curt Johnston 

Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair 

curt.johnston at comcast.net <mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net> 

707-249-1667 

 

 

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 28 13:26:49 2022
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Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 19:26:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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I hear you can win the whole thing in the first corner.


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Whatever tires you got, remember, ?to finish first, you must first finish?


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On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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At the four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as eligible in your home club.  When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Buttonwillow  VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in your club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions asked.  VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won, no exclusions for tires.  This sounds like a sensible way to race the K Cup and it will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this year, tires and finishing place position have never dictated the winner.

Ken

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From: Chris Marx via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 AM
To: 'Scott Janzen'<mailto:sjanzen at me.com>; tr4racing at googlemail.com<mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

Scott,

I?m not familiar with the US rules of racing.
On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.
Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that date.
There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA rules.

Now the problem:
In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.
Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can?t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can?t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.
They?re all different animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a good part predictable.

I?m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don?t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.
I don?t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.

I don?t know if the tires are already ordered but if they?re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.
If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.

Cheers
Chris



Von: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com<mailto:sjanzen at me.com>>
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Cc: Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com<mailto:jsukey at gmail.com>>; Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com<mailto:bdolan1776 at gmail.com>>; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing.  I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.
I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights.
Just my 2 cents.
Scott

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Just a question.

When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.
Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?

Cheers
Chris


Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
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Cc: Friends of Triumph <Fot at autox.team.net<mailto:Fot at autox.team.net>>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
Jason

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium.

Am I missing something on that angle?

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.

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?
Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue Jun 28 20:13:45 2022
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Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 19:13:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
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We have ALL been there!  Ken

 

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

What I painfully learned at Watkins Glen.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von Steven Belfer via Fot
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

Whatever tires you got, remember, ?to finish first, you must first finish?    

 

 

~Steve

 

 

On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

At the four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as eligible in your home club.  When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Buttonwillow  VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in your club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions asked.  VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won, no exclusions for tires.  This sounds like a sensible way to race the K Cup and it will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this year, tires and finishing place position have never dictated the winner.

 

Ken

 

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From: Chris Marx via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 AM
To: 'Scott Janzen' <mailto:sjanzen at me.com> ; tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph' <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

Scott,

 

I?m not familiar with the US rules of racing.

On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.

Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that date.

There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA rules.

 

Now the problem:

In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.

Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can?t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can?t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.

They?re all different animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a good part predictable.

 

I?m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don?t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.

I don?t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.

 

I don?t know if the tires are already ordered but if they?re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.

If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

 

Von: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com <mailto:sjanzen at me.com> > 
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it?s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing.  I think you?re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that?s not vintage.

I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you?ve lost your bragging rights.  

Just my 2 cents.

Scott

 

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

 

Just a question.

 

When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.

Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

 

The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.

Jason

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting standards for who can podium. 

 

Am I missing something on that angle? 

 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this event.  

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

? 

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup! 

 

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire options this will certainly help.  

 

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  

 

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the fee goes up to $645, so act now!

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Thanks. 

 

Curt Johnston 

Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair 

curt.johnston at comcast.net <mailto:curt.johnston at comcast.net> 

707-249-1667 

 

 

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From mark at dieselperformanceparts.com  Wed Jun 29 14:46:17 2022
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From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:37:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Sponsorship=3A__I=E2=80=99d_like_to_Sponsor_Gary?=
 =?utf-8?q?_Kincel_of_Pittsburgh?=
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FOT:

Long time Triumph enthusiast and racer, Gary Kincel is ready to take on the lofty mantle of a FOT.

I will let him introduce himself with a bio.

He will be a brominate part of the Kastner Cup 2022 as President of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. (Gary is providing the dinner at the Friday Night Reception). 

Please welcome him and introduce yourselves at the Kastner Cup.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 30 05:40:02 2022
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:40:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 
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 =?utf-8?q?_Kincel_of_Pittsburgh?=
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Welcome Gary!?

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  On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 6:37 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot<fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   FOT:

Long time Triumph enthusiast and racer, Gary Kincel is ready to take on the lofty mantle of a FOT.

I will let him introduce himself with a bio.

He will be a brominate part of the Kastner Cup 2022 as President of the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. (Gary is providing the dinner at the Friday Night Reception). 

Please welcome him and introduce yourselves at the Kastner Cup.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:? 319.464.4711

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 30 05:44:55 2022
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (grandwazoo at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:44:55 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR2-4 Spax front shocks for sale
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I have a set of Spax adjustable front shocks for TR2-TR4
They are unused.? Box was opened and one was test mounted and then removed. Can provide photo.
$150 for both plus shipping is roughly 50% off what Moss sells them for.
?
Can deliver to Pitt Race if appropriate.
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Mike Jackson
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 09:21:14 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:21:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Time for a THANK YOU!
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?FOT:

We offered advance sales of the posters in May.  That went very well. Unexpected was the generous donations to support the Kastner Cup. This was important as we do not have a major sponsor this year, as we did last year. THANK YOU!

Also, we avoided a $500 golf car rental when Lorne Fritz and the WPTA stepped up for the loan of a Spitfire and a TR3A for the Grand Marshall, Robert Johns. 

Finally, we are going to have an ?enhanced? Wine & Cheese with food donated by our newest FOT Member, Gary Kincel, President of the British Sports Car Hall of Famer.

This is the 25th Anniversary Year of the Friends of Triumph. It?s been an amazing run. I was told, early on, that it wouldn?t work. Never underestimate the power of a group of Triumph ?Friends?.

Missing Kas, however.

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Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711



Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 09:43:12 2022
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:43:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Time for a THANK YOU!
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Great pic Joe.  I miss that guy.

Chuck 

> On Jun 30, 2022, at 11:21 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?FOT:
> 
> We offered advance sales of the posters in May.  That went very well. Unexpected was the generous donations to support the Kastner Cup. This was important as we do not have a major sponsor this year, as we did last year. THANK YOU!
> 
> Also, we avoided a $500 golf car rental when Lorne Fritz and the WPTA stepped up for the loan of a Spitfire and a TR3A for the Grand Marshall, Robert Johns. 
> 
> Finally, we are going to have an ?enhanced? Wine & Cheese with food donated by our newest FOT Member, Gary Kincel, President of the British Sports Car Hall of Famer.
> 
> This is the 25th Anniversary Year of the Friends of Triumph. It?s been an amazing run. I was told, early on, that it wouldn?t work. Never underestimate the power of a group of Triumph ?Friends?.
> 
> Missing Kas, however.
> 
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> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 10:08:45 2022
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:08:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Time for a THANK YOU!
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Thank you, Joe. You and all involved are doing great things with your
attention on the Kastner Cup! What a tribute to Kas, an amazing man.

I am sorry I cannot make it this year. I feel like I'm really missing a
monumental Kastner Cup. Life is what happens between plans...

Truly, thank you for all you do!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
Friends of Triumph - Media
515-339-4228

1971 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 10:21 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> FOT:
>
> We offered advance sales of the posters in May.  That went very well.
> Unexpected was the generous donations to support the Kastner Cup. This was
> important as we do not have a major sponsor this year, as we did last year.
> THANK YOU!
>
> Also, we avoided a $500 golf car rental when Lorne Fritz and the WPTA
> stepped up for the loan of a Spitfire and a TR3A for the Grand Marshall,
> Robert Johns.
>
> Finally, we are going to have an ?enhanced? Wine & Cheese with food
> donated by our newest FOT Member, Gary Kincel, President of the British
> Sports Car Hall of Famer.
>
> This is the 25th Anniversary Year of the Friends of Triumph. It?s been an
> amazing run. I was told, early on, that it wouldn?t work. Never
> underestimate the power of a group of Triumph ?Friends?.
>
> Missing Kas, however.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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