From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Aug  1 07:28:58 2022
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 08:28:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A Bit of the "Lake" right in Town - Houses for Rent in
 Plymouth, Wisconsin, United States - Airbnb
References: <68E89E6A-5DB7-47DF-8654-681B1F276D8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DA36208-045C-41CC-A1D3-D9E11D0F97AD@cs.com>

FOT:

Don?t let the high cost of hotels keep you away from the Kastner Cup.

Airbnb.com

Starting at $55/night in Plymouth.  

We booked an A-Frame Cabin with two bedrooms for $155 per night. On a lake in the woods.

Book now. Cancel up to a month prior.

> ?
> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1304289?check_in=2023-07-13&check_out=2023-07-16&federated_search_id=74aca2ba-5698-47c2-9d49-d1889f4d508b&source_impression_id=p3_1659313389_V%2BzSrjOBt4xFX%2BIu
> 
> Regards,

Joe Alexander
> 
> 


From bdolan1776 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 08:02:51 2022
From: bdolan1776 at gmail.com (Brian Dolan)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 10:02:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Dolan Trailer for Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAL43nSmcJeCaT0JrjbLMmV8Q44VyTT=kyP9YdWpymgxtmTXA1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Apparently Racing Junk doesn?t work on the weekends to approve ads.

Link is now live.

https://www.racingjunk.com/enclosed-car-trailers/184363984/1998-united-express-line-48-w-canopy-by-high-tech.html


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From: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776 at gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 8:14 PM
Subject: Dolan Trailer for Sale
To:


Hello FOT,
We are upgrading to a 2003 trailer (current is 1998).

It?s not perfect but it is huge and hauls straight!

Feel free to pass it along.

https://www.racingjunk.com/enclosed-car-trailers/184363984/1998-united-express-line-48-w-canopy-by-high-tech.html

Best,
Brian Dolan
406-579-9465
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From david.c.cutter at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 09:32:30 2022
From: david.c.cutter at gmail.com (David Cutter)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 11:32:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A Bit of the "Lake" right in Town - Houses for Rent in
 Plymouth, Wisconsin, United States - Airbnb
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References: <68E89E6A-5DB7-47DF-8654-681B1F276D8A@gmail.com>
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Thanks, Joe.  When we checked last week, AirBnB had not yet opened up
listings for the race dates.   Looks like they are all open now!

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 9:49 AM JOSEPH ALEXANDER via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> FOT:
>
> Don?t let the high cost of hotels keep you away from the Kastner Cup.
>
> Airbnb.com
>
> Starting at $55/night in Plymouth.
>
> We booked an A-Frame Cabin with two bedrooms for $155 per night. On a lake
> in the woods.
>
> Book now. Cancel up to a month prior.
>
> > ?
> >
> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1304289?check_in=2023-07-13&check_out=2023-07-16&federated_search_id=74aca2ba-5698-47c2-9d49-d1889f4d508b&source_impression_id=p3_1659313389_V%2BzSrjOBt4xFX%2BIu
> >
> > Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
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From Dave at microworks.net  Mon Aug  1 19:21:48 2022
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 18:21:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Photo from PVGP
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650987FE12CE06@mainserver>

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From fmccjr at aol.com  Mon Aug  1 19:54:57 2022
From: fmccjr at aol.com (fmccjr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 01:54:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Photo from PVGP
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Well, I?m diggin? it. Jeez that were fun!

Rick McCurdy

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Aug  1 20:46:09 2022
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:46:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Photo from PVGP
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Yes.  Nice photo!  
Thanks, Dave H.

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Aug  1 20:54:12 2022
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:54:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Racing at High Plains International Raceway in Colorado
Message-ID: <003301d8a61b$25760910$70621b30$@hot-tr6.com>

Had a fun racing weekend this past July 29,30,31 2022. Newly installed race
engine/transmission performed perfectly. The BMW in this picture had blocked
me for 6 laps but I took him on the outside of a right hand sweeper and
afterwards he said he didn't imagine I could pass on the outside and make it
stick. 

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico



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From jsukey at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 11:10:25 2022
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 13:10:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1.475" intake valves
Message-ID: <CAMmo4o8NVk2DRpu1wCKkof2gNteJineW_DA74GpnJ3o=3Cv8AA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a set of 4 Spitfire 1.475" intake valves ( TriumphTune
TT1434).

Does anyone have a set that they'd be willing to sell?

These are a different length than the commonly available TR6 oversize
intake valves.

Thank you,

Jason Sukey
jsukey at gmail.com
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 13:19:57 2022
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 15:19:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Racing at High Plains International Raceway in Colorado
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It?s always fun when you are able to do that.  Very satisfying!

Chuck

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> ?
> Had a fun racing weekend this past July 29,30,31 2022. Newly installed race engine/transmission performed perfectly. The BMW in this picture had blocked me for 6 laps but I took him on the outside of a right hand sweeper and afterwards he said he didn?t imagine I could pass on the outside and make it stick.
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From fintouch at ptd.net  Tue Aug  2 15:53:19 2022
From: fintouch at ptd.net (Finishing Touch)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 17:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Photos from the Grid, post Kastner Awards
Message-ID: <9c13e593-d99d-acbb-8f75-194901c66fe2@ptd.net>

Does anyone have copies or a link for the photos they were taking of the 
race cars on the grid after the awards ceremony?

Thanks
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 17:05:49 2022
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 19:05:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Racing at High Plains International Raceway in Colorado
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How is a BMW driver like a porcupine?

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 6:42 PM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> It?s always fun when you are able to do that.  Very satisfying!
>
> Chuck
>
> On Aug 1, 2022, at 11:41 PM, walt--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Had a fun racing weekend this past July 29,30,31 2022. Newly installed
> race engine/transmission performed perfectly. The BMW in this picture had
> blocked me for 6 laps but I took him on the outside of a right hand sweeper
> and afterwards he said he didn?t imagine I could pass on the outside and
> make it stick.
>
> Walter Hollowell
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 14:54:49 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:54:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT bio.  F. Houston Smith.    A Sponsorship
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FOT

I am pleased to sponsor another Spitfire Pilot. See attached bio.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


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> From: "F.Houston Smith" <fhoustonsmith at gmail.com>
> Date: August 3, 2022 at 11:41:20 AM CDT
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> Subject: FOT bio
> 
> ?
> Attached please find my Triumph centric biography.
> Thanks!
> Houston Smith
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Aug  3 21:04:25 2022
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 20:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FOT bio. F. Houston Smith. A Sponsorship
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Welcome to the FoT, Houston.  You have just made an exponential leap in the world of Triumph sports cars and racing.  The knowledge and experience within this group is world class and difficult to match. 
Please share some photos of your cars when convenient.
Dave H.
Santa Cruz, CA

>     On 08/03/2022 1:54 PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     FOT
> 
>     I am pleased to sponsor another Spitfire Pilot. See attached bio.
> 
>     Regards,
> 
>     Joe Alexander
>     4505 Donald Dr
>     Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>     The-vintage-racer.com
>     Gasketinnovations.com
>     Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>     Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
>         > >         From: "F.Houston Smith" <fhoustonsmith at gmail.com>
> >         Date: August 3, 2022 at 11:41:20 AM CDT
> >         To: n197tr4 at cs.com
> >         Subject: FOT bio
> > 
> > 
> >     > 
>         > >         Attached please find my Triumph centric biography.
> >         Thanks!
> >         Houston Smith
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > 
> > 
> >     >     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
> 
>     http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
>     Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Aug  3 21:20:09 2022
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 21:20:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FOT bio. F. Houston Smith. A Sponsorship
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Okay, he is on the list.

mjb.



From cudapilot at comcast.net  Thu Aug  4 09:24:22 2022
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:24:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023: A Celebration of Champions
Message-ID: <1639022930.43237.1659626662273@connect.xfinity.com>

Good morning, FOT

I wanted to send out a couple of notes this week regarding next year?s Kastner Cup at Road America.  The 21st running of the Kastner Cup will be a Celebration of Champions.  We are hoping to get as many of the past Cup Recipients together as possible to honor their contribution to the first 20 years of this remarkable tradition of camaraderie within the Vintage Racing world.  There will be a ceremonial retirement of the current Kastner Cup.  The tradition has outlasted the trophy and the current Cup does not have room left for the names of those winners to come.  As such, a new Kastner Cup is being commissioned and, after the handoff next year, the current Cup will reside on display at the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.   It is a tribute to Kas and to all of you that this wonderful event continues and we are looking forward to ushering in the next 20 years  For your reference, here is a list of all of those that we will honor:

Kastner Cup Winners

* 2003: Jack Drews (TR-4) Mosport Raceway, Ontario Canada
* 2004: John Wilkins (Spitfire) Buttonwillow Raceway, California
* 2005: Jeff Snook (TR-3) Atlanta Raceway, Georgia
* 2006: Tom Kreger (TR-6) Hallett Raceway, Oklahoma
* 2007: Chuck Gee (Spitfire) Miller Motorsports Park, Utah
* 2008: Tony Garmey (TR-250K) Watkins Glen, New York
* 2009: Mordy Dunst (TR-4) Portland International Raceway, Oregon
* 2010: Keith Files (TR-4) Topeka Raceway Park, Kansas
* 2011: Jerry Barker (Herald) Laguna Seca, California
* 2012: Randy Williams (TR-3) Road Atlanta, Georgia
* 2013: Ken Knight (TR-4) Road America, Wisconsin
* 2014: Greg Black (TR-3 on a TR4 chassis) Eagle Canyon Raceway, Texas
* 2015: Mark Wheatley (TR-4) Summit Point, Virginia
* 2016: Jerry Barker (Herald from Hell) Sonoma Raceway, California
* 2017: Jeff Snook (TR-3A) Blackhawk Farms Raceway, IL
* 2018: Jim Dolan (GT-6) Pitt Race Complex, Pennsylvania
* 2019: Brian Howlett (TR-4) Buttonwillow Raceway, California
* 2020: Mike Munson (TR-6) Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Ohio
* 2021: Jeff Quick (TR-4A) Portland International Raceway, Oregon
* 2022: Henry Frye (TR-250) Pittsburgh International Race Complex


On another note, as you can see above the events of the past 20 years have successfully taken place on all manner of circuits from pro to club, long/fast to short/twisty,  and have been hosted by organizations big and small that exist in both for and not for profit varieties.  All throughout, FOT has remained a ?club that?s not a club? operating without dues, fees, bylaws, or any of the red tape politics that can creep into any sanctioning body and take away from the enjoyment of why we exist: to race.  The event that will host us next year is big departure from the event that hosted the last race I chaired in 2017.  The former, at Road America,  is one of the largest Vintage Events in the country at a historic, premier circuit that everyone who is anyone that has raced in the US in the last 60 years has turned a wheel on at some point.  The Weathertech International Challenge (WIC) is organized by the same team that hosts Indycar, NASCAR, and IMSA and the event accordingly has a pro level feel to it. The latter, at Blackhawk Farms, is a smallish, wonderfully laid back club level event held at what I think is one of the hidden gems of US Circuits.  I approached Joe with the idea of hosting the Cup at Blackhawk because I really wanted to give those that hadn?t a reason to come and experience one of my favorite events and tracks because I knew they would love it and that we could put on a good event there.  Though on the different of the spectrum, I feel the same way about the host track and event next year.  Beyond just the racing challenges and thrills that Road America provides, the event provides a singular opportunity for us amateur racers to get a little taste of what it would have been like to race in the golden era when crowds gathered to see beautiful pieces of machinery being pushed to unreasonable limits by drivers brave (or foolish?) enough to wield them.  The community embraces the event with open arms and the atmosphere in Elkhart Lake that race weekend surpasses any other race weekend of the year ? Pro or otherwise.  We want to give you guys a reason not just to experience it, but to be at the center of it.  We will make sure the FOT paddock is as warm as welcoming as it was in 2017.  But, unlike Blackhawk where there is nothing outside of the track gate that I would classify as an experiential bucket list item, next year?s event offers many things outside of our paddock that I think everyone should experience once.  I have been lucky to participate in the WIC for the past 10 years.  During that time I have experienced it all from mechanical failures and a wreck to podiums and overall group wins.  No matter how things are going on track, being able to experience that weekend at Elkhart Lake on a summer weekend has been a highlight of my year every year.  A long day of wrenching and bleeding on your car turns around quickly when you get to drive it into town with thousands watching and cheering.  For those few hours you feel like the racing heroes you watched growing up.  There is an intrinsic value to that type of experience.

Each year, those that organize the Cup do so out of the same altruistic desire to keep it going.  Most of the time, their motivations are like mine when it comes to the choice of venue and event.  They have a connection there and try to play host to those that can make it.  The choice of venue and event will never be everyone?s first choice.  Whether it is the cost of towing or time needed to travel, distance is probably the first barrier that some need to consider.  Next is scheduling ? particularly for summer events.  Vacations and other obligations (or even other Vintage Events) can come into conflict.  Can't forget cost - racing is an expensive hobby regardless of the location and the cost of running the Cup vs. perhaps something local certainly is a consideration for every racer.  Lastly, there are those that have a strong preference for one of the two ends of the spectrum of event as I described above.  All of those factor into your choice on whether or not you are able to or want to attend the event that is being organized for you.  We understand all of these factors and make the same decisions ourselves every year when the next Cup is announced.  Unfortunately, we can?t change the geography of our huge country, the price of fuel, or the personal, professional, or racing calendars of our members.  We can only influence the experience for those that make it   As a ?club that?s not a club? we also have no established revenue or budget for these events so we fundraise what we can and do the best with the money raised.  We will put on a great event and do our best that make sure those that attend have a good time.  We want it to be something Kas would be proud of and that Joe Alexander will be proud of in his stead as Grand Marshall.  The Kastner Cup is the draw ? the rest are fringe benefits.  From the inside you guys might not appreciate how truly unique this tradition is our level of racing.  As an outsider I see it and appreciate it enough to do my part to keep it going even though I don?t own a Triumph and haven?t ever had the opportunity to experience the Kastner Cup as a competitor (though I certainly hope to someday).  I hope those that are able will find a way to be a part of it too and will put it on your schedules for next year.  For those that can?t we understand and will miss you but will do our best through multiple methods to keep you apprised throughout the event. 

Mark and I will continue to post details even at this early stage to keep you abreast of how things are shaping up and any new developments.  Thanks to all that have shown their support so far - we are working hard to let you enjoy the spotlight in '23!

Best regards,



Brian Garcia

Co-Chair 2023 Kastner Cup

July 14-16 Road America

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From jfrymark at aol.com  Thu Aug  4 15:02:42 2022
From: jfrymark at aol.com (JOHN FRYMARK)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 16:02:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire racer
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Houston, we have (no) problem?with your membership in FoT! Welcome!
I?ll bet our multi- time Cup winner, Jerry Barker, who was running and winning the Run-offs in the 70s and 80s in a Spitfire would know something about your car?s history.

John Frymark

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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Fri Aug  5 07:47:42 2022
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2022 08:47:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2023: A Celebration of Champions
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Apologies to our 2014 Winner Greg Blake for the type-o.  I'm not sure who Greg Black is but I'm sure you are faster... ;)

Brian

>     On 08/04/2022 10:24 AM Brian Garcia via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Good morning, FOT
> 
>     I wanted to send out a couple of notes this week regarding next year?s Kastner Cup at Road America.  The 21st running of the Kastner Cup will be a Celebration of Champions.  We are hoping to get as many of the past Cup Recipients together as possible to honor their contribution to the first 20 years of this remarkable tradition of camaraderie within the Vintage Racing world.  There will be a ceremonial retirement of the current Kastner Cup.  The tradition has outlasted the trophy and the current Cup does not have room left for the names of those winners to come.  As such, a new Kastner Cup is being commissioned and, after the handoff next year, the current Cup will reside on display at the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.   It is a tribute to Kas and to all of you that this wonderful event continues and we are looking forward to ushering in the next 20 years  For your reference, here is a list of all of those that we will honor:
> 
>     Kastner Cup Winners
> 
>         * 2003: Jack Drews (TR-4) Mosport Raceway, Ontario Canada
>         * 2004: John Wilkins (Spitfire) Buttonwillow Raceway, California
>         * 2005: Jeff Snook (TR-3) Atlanta Raceway, Georgia
>         * 2006: Tom Kreger (TR-6) Hallett Raceway, Oklahoma
>         * 2007: Chuck Gee (Spitfire) Miller Motorsports Park, Utah
>         * 2008: Tony Garmey (TR-250K) Watkins Glen, New York
>         * 2009: Mordy Dunst (TR-4) Portland International Raceway, Oregon
>         * 2010: Keith Files (TR-4) Topeka Raceway Park, Kansas
>         * 2011: Jerry Barker (Herald) Laguna Seca, California
>         * 2012: Randy Williams (TR-3) Road Atlanta, Georgia
>         * 2013: Ken Knight (TR-4) Road America, Wisconsin
>         * 2014: Greg Black (TR-3 on a TR4 chassis) Eagle Canyon Raceway, Texas
>         * 2015: Mark Wheatley (TR-4) Summit Point, Virginia
>         * 2016: Jerry Barker (Herald from Hell) Sonoma Raceway, California
>         * 2017: Jeff Snook (TR-3A) Blackhawk Farms Raceway, IL
>         * 2018: Jim Dolan (GT-6) Pitt Race Complex, Pennsylvania
>         * 2019: Brian Howlett (TR-4) Buttonwillow Raceway, California
>         * 2020: Mike Munson (TR-6) Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Ohio
>         * 2021: Jeff Quick (TR-4A) Portland International Raceway, Oregon
>         * 2022: Henry Frye (TR-250) Pittsburgh International Race Complex
> 
> 
>     On another note, as you can see above the events of the past 20 years have successfully taken place on all manner of circuits from pro to club, long/fast to short/twisty,  and have been hosted by organizations big and small that exist in both for and not for profit varieties.  All throughout, FOT has remained a ?club that?s not a club? operating without dues, fees, bylaws, or any of the red tape politics that can creep into any sanctioning body and take away from the enjoyment of why we exist: to race.  The event that will host us next year is big departure from the event that hosted the last race I chaired in 2017.  The former, at Road America,  is one of the largest Vintage Events in the country at a historic, premier circuit that everyone who is anyone that has raced in the US in the last 60 years has turned a wheel on at some point.  The Weathertech International Challenge (WIC) is organized by the same team that hosts Indycar, NASCAR, and IMSA and the event accordingly has a pro level feel to it. The latter, at Blackhawk Farms, is a smallish, wonderfully laid back club level event held at what I think is one of the hidden gems of US Circuits.  I approached Joe with the idea of hosting the Cup at Blackhawk because I really wanted to give those that hadn?t a reason to come and experience one of my favorite events and tracks because I knew they would love it and that we could put on a good event there.  Though on the different of the spectrum, I feel the same way about the host track and event next year.  Beyond just the racing challenges and thrills that Road America provides, the event provides a singular opportunity for us amateur racers to get a little taste of what it would have been like to race in the golden era when crowds gathered to see beautiful pieces of machinery being pushed to unreasonable limits by drivers brave (or foolish?) enough to wield them.  The community embraces the event with open arms and the atmosphere in Elkhart Lake that race weekend surpasses any other race weekend of the year ? Pro or otherwise.  We want to give you guys a reason not just to experience it, but to be at the center of it.  We will make sure the FOT paddock is as warm as welcoming as it was in 2017.  But, unlike Blackhawk where there is nothing outside of the track gate that I would classify as an experiential bucket list item, next year?s event offers many things outside of our paddock that I think everyone should experience once.  I have been lucky to participate in the WIC for the past 10 years.  During that time I have experienced it all from mechanical failures and a wreck to podiums and overall group wins.  No matter how things are going on track, being able to experience that weekend at Elkhart Lake on a summer weekend has been a highlight of my year every year.  A long day of wrenching and bleeding on your car turns around quickly when you get to drive it into town with thousands watching and cheering.  For those few hours you feel like the racing heroes you watched growing up.  There is an intrinsic value to that type of experience.
> 
>     Each year, those that organize the Cup do so out of the same altruistic desire to keep it going.  Most of the time, their motivations are like mine when it comes to the choice of venue and event.  They have a connection there and try to play host to those that can make it.  The choice of venue and event will never be everyone?s first choice.  Whether it is the cost of towing or time needed to travel, distance is probably the first barrier that some need to consider.  Next is scheduling ? particularly for summer events.  Vacations and other obligations (or even other Vintage Events) can come into conflict.  Can't forget cost - racing is an expensive hobby regardless of the location and the cost of running the Cup vs. perhaps something local certainly is a consideration for every racer.  Lastly, there are those that have a strong preference for one of the two ends of the spectrum of event as I described above.  All of those factor into your choice on whether or not you are able to or want to attend the event that is being organized for you.  We understand all of these factors and make the same decisions ourselves every year when the next Cup is announced.  Unfortunately, we can?t change the geography of our huge country, the price of fuel, or the personal, professional, or racing calendars of our members.  We can only influence the experience for those that make it   As a ?club that?s not a club? we also have no established revenue or budget for these events so we fundraise what we can and do the best with the money raised.  We will put on a great event and do our best that make sure those that attend have a good time.  We want it to be something Kas would be proud of and that Joe Alexander will be proud of in his stead as Grand Marshall.  The Kastner Cup is the draw ? the rest are fringe benefits.  From the inside you guys might not appreciate how truly unique this tradition is our level of racing.  As an outsider I see it and appreciate it enough to do my part to keep it going even though I don?t own a Triumph and haven?t ever had the opportunity to experience the Kastner Cup as a competitor (though I certainly hope to someday).  I hope those that are able will find a way to be a part of it too and will put it on your schedules for next year.  For those that can?t we understand and will miss you but will do our best through multiple methods to keep you apprised throughout the event. 
> 
>     Mark and I will continue to post details even at this early stage to keep you abreast of how things are shaping up and any new developments.  Thanks to all that have shown their support so far - we are working hard to let you enjoy the spotlight in '23!
> 
>     Best regards,
> 
> 
> 
>     Brian Garcia
> 
>     Co-Chair 2023 Kastner Cup
> 
>     July 14-16 Road America
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
> 
>     http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun Aug  7 14:41:46 2022
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 16:41:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Throwout bearing wanted
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I?m trying to switch from the aluminum flywheel/stock size clutch to a Quartermaster steel flywheel and 7.25? clutch.  The challenge is the throwout bearing - I?ve included photos of the current one I use and a new replacement I picked up.  The QM pressure plate needs something smaller in diameter than the new replacement.  If I could find one that?s more like what I have, it would work - ideally the contact surface is even closer to 2? in diameter.
The photos below indicate that the profiles are different, and the profile of the old one results in a smaller contact diameter.

QM recommends a radiused contact surface.

Any thoughts on where to source one like the one I have?  I could convert to hydraulic, but would prefer not to as I?m guessing that?s not a simple bolt-in.

Scott















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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  7 15:34:44 2022
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 21:34:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Throwout bearing wanted
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Hi Scott,
My TR4 has a 1980?s Tilton 7.25? dual clutch setup, that turns out is really an AP racing clutch setup that they were reselling at the time. ?AP still makes all the parts; seems to be similar to the Quartermaster 7.25 sintered clutches. ? Try looking at AP racing release bearing options here, along with some engineering diagrams of some options for you:Release Mechanism and Bearings | AP Racing?
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On Sunday, August 7, 2022, 5:08 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I?m trying to switch from the aluminum flywheel/stock size clutch to a Quartermaster steel flywheel and 7.25? clutch. ?The challenge is the throwout bearing - I?ve included photos of the current one I use and a new replacement I picked up. ?The QM pressure plate needs something smaller in diameter than the new replacement. ?If I could find one that?s more like what I have, it would work - ideally the contact surface is even closer to 2? in diameter.The photos below indicate that the profiles are different, and the profile of the old one results in a smaller contact diameter.

QM recommends a radiused contact surface.
Any thoughts on where to source one like the one I have? ?I could convert to hydraulic, but would prefer not to as I?m guessing that?s not a simple bolt-in.
Scott














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From jason at multivintage.com  Sun Aug  7 17:23:45 2022
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 18:23:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Throwout bearing wanted
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I?ve used the AP, Tilton and Quartermaster dual disk clutch set in several cars over the years. 
They all utilized either a  stock TR6 or stock GT6 through -out bearing. 
Both worked well. 
The GT6 one is smaller and lighter. 
Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
Triumph GT6+ race cars.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2022, at 4:57 PM, David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ? Hi Scott,
> 
> My TR4 has a 1980?s Tilton 7.25? dual clutch setup, that turns out is really an AP racing clutch setup that they were reselling at the time.  AP still makes all the parts; seems to be similar to the Quartermaster 7.25 sintered clutches.   Try looking at AP racing release bearing options here, along with some engineering diagrams of some options for you:
> Release Mechanism and Bearings | AP Racing 
> 
> I
> 
> Release Mechanism and Bearings | AP Racing
> AP Racing, the Coventry, UK-based company is a key supplier and the leading manufacturer of performance brake and clutch systems for road and race cars.
> 
> 
>  hope that helps!
> 
> Dave Gott
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> On Sunday, August 7, 2022, 5:08 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I?m trying to switch from the aluminum flywheel/stock size clutch to a Quartermaster steel flywheel and 7.25? clutch.  The challenge is the throwout bearing - I?ve included photos of the current one I use and a new replacement I picked up.  The QM pressure plate needs something smaller in diameter than the new replacement.  If I could find one that?s more like what I have, it would work - ideally the contact surface is even closer to 2? in diameter.
> The photos below indicate that the profiles are different, and the profile of the old one results in a smaller contact diameter.
> 
> QM recommends a radiused contact surface.
> 
> Any thoughts on where to source one like the one I have?  I could convert to hydraulic, but would prefer not to as I?m guessing that?s not a simple bolt-in.
> 
> Scott
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From cofrog at q.com  Mon Aug  8 08:54:43 2022
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hawk Blue Disc Brake Pads
Message-ID: <1346065.335393.1659970483682.JavaMail.zimbra@q.com>

Looking for the correct part number for a street TR4. I find two possible; HB169F.560 and HB169E.560. I'm not sure the difference between the F or E might be. 

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From walje at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  8 12:09:27 2022
From: walje at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS WALJE)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 13:09:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hawk Blue Disc Brake Pads
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The F pads are boxed as ?street? pads (blue box). The ?E? pads are boxed as ?race? pads (red box)

Both are listed in Oreillys parts computer as special order. Both are listed as. Nissan application. 

Dennis Walje
68 GT6

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> On Aug 8, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looking for the correct part number for a street TR4.  I find two possible; HB169F.560 and HB169E.560.  I'm not sure the difference between the F or E might be.
> 
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From thompsong at prodigy.net  Mon Aug  8 12:12:02 2022
From: thompsong at prodigy.net (GREGORY THOMPSON)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 18:12:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Hawk Blue Disc Brake Pads
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This may help explain the different compounds and the part number.
HAWK HB169E.560 Blue 9012 Brake Pads FMSI ID, D57 (sportcompactwarehouse.com)

Greg Thompson? 

    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 12:45:41 PM CDT, Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Looking for the correct part number for a street TR4.? I find two possible; HB169F.560 and HB169E.560.? I'm not sure the difference between the F or E might be.
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Aug  8 13:35:36 2022
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 12:35:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hawk Blue Disc Brake Pads
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I've been using the blue E pads.  Purchased through Summit Racing.  I think Hawk is easy to communicate with if you want to know specifics.  I think they are in Ohio.
Dave H.

>     On 08/08/2022 7:54 AM Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Looking for the correct part number for a street TR4.  I find two possible; HB169F.560 and HB169E.560.  I'm not sure the difference between the F or E might be.
> 
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 17:03:25 2022
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 19:03:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hawk Blue Disc Brake Pads
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Dan,
I think the "F" part number indicates the HPS street compound, whereas the
"E" indicates the race only Blue compound.

Jason

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022, 1:36 PM Dan Forgey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Looking for the correct part number for a street TR4.  I find two
> possible; HB169F.560 and HB169E.560.  I'm not sure the difference between
> the F or E might be.
>
> Thanks,
>
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 21:33:59 2022
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:33:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?13=E2=80=9D_Cosmic_Wheels?=
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Amici,

Looking for a set of 13? Cosmic Wheels For my Road Spitfire.  

This ?69 Spitfire has been in my life since I was 15 and came new from the Triumph Dealer in Geneva Switzerland with Cosmic wheels.  I sold the car in 2006 & just got it back this summer.  The original Cosmics are now a bit rough & the car is wearing Minilite wheels.

FWIW - I found a set of Cosmic 13? wheels on eBay, but seller will not ship them, only will local pick up.

Plz PM me if you have a set of Cosmic or as an alternative 13? American Racing Silverstones. Thanks, Terry 

From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Aug  9 19:53:01 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 21:53:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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Amici:
At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?
Thanks and regards,
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 06:57:07 2022
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:57:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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Hi Phil, this is what John at Quantium sent me about trans and diff oils. I
couldn't find the Sta-lube in the US but had no problem getting a couple of
quarts of it via Flea Bay from Canada.

For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4
spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says
GL5).
For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90
spec synthetic oils.

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On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:07 PM Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici:
> At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would
> recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1
> 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt
> Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning.
> The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1
> gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear
> end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your
> experience?
> Thanks and regards,
> Phil
>
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Wed Aug 10 07:10:41 2022
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:10:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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 Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal in operation.You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
Glen Efinger
 
 
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To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Amici:
At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.? I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?
Thanks and regards,
Phil

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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed Aug 10 08:31:18 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 14:31:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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Thanks, Mike;
Was there an attachment? It did not come through.
I'm using Redline MT90 in the W-58 transmission. ?We found that the AC Delco "Synchromesh" gear oil works well in the Triumph box.
Phil


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To: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
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Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Hi Phil, this is what John at Quantium sent me about trans and diff oils. I couldn't find the Sta-lube in the US but had no problem getting a couple of quarts of it via Flea Bay from Canada.
For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4 spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says GL5).
For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90 spec synthetic oils.

mike h

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On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:07 PM Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Amici:
At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.? I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?
Thanks and regards,
Phil

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 08:43:45 2022
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 10:43:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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No attachment, I just pasted the text from a note John sent to me.

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On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:31 AM <vfracing at aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Mike;
>
> Was there an attachment? It did not come through.
>
> I'm using Redline MT90 in the W-58 transmission.  We found that the AC
> Delco "Synchromesh" gear oil works well in the Triumph box.
>
> Phil
>
>
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> From: Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com>
> To: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
> Cc: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 8:57 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>
> Hi Phil, this is what John at Quantium sent me about trans and diff oils.
> I couldn't find the Sta-lube in the US but had no problem getting a couple
> of quarts of it via Flea Bay from Canada.
>
> For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4
> spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says
> GL5).
> For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90
> spec synthetic oils.
>
> mike h
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> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:07 PM Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Amici:
> At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would
> recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1
> 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt
> Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning.
> The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1
> gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear
> end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your
> experience?
> Thanks and regards,
> Phil
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 09:51:13 2022
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer Gmail)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 10:51:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow metal cone washers moot. 

I?ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance racing.  It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap enough the drain and refill often. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;
> I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
> The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal in operation.
> You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
> 
> Glen Efinger
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
> 
> Amici:
> At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?
> Thanks and regards,
> Phil
> 
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 10 10:26:42 2022
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:26:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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I?ve been using Redline Heavy Shockproof gear oil in my TR3 with a TranX diff.  I use Amsoil Severe gear in my Miata with a Torsen diff.  JoeB

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> On Aug 9, 2022, at 10:10 PM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Amici:
> At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?
> Thanks and regards,
> Phil
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Wed Aug 10 11:24:30 2022
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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 Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference between a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consideration...
Glen Efinger
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow metal cone washers moot.?
I?ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance racing. ?It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap enough the drain and refill often.?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



? Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal in operation.You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
Glen Efinger
 
 
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To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Amici:
At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.? I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?
Thanks and regards,
Phil

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From ac at camoletti.ch  Thu Aug 11 02:13:01 2022
From: ac at camoletti.ch (Alexandre Camoletti)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 10:13:01 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the Lucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the difference is usually quite big !

 

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Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference between a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consideration...

 

Glen Efinger

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow metal cone washers moot.  

 

I?ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance racing.  It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap enough the drain and refill often. 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

? 

Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;

I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.

The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal in operation.

You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.

 

Glen Efinger

 

 

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Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Amici:

At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.

What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?

Thanks and regards,

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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Aug 11 08:11:32 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:11:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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Thank you, everyone!
It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car aren't up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs. ?I thought the folks at Mobil would have done better, but apparently not enough. ?I've taken all your inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof (lightweight) oil. ?I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover of the 4A IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better cooling, although the added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat transfer through the metal. ?Will do the math.
Your insights are much appreciated.
Regards,
Phil GottRed '65 4A, #114


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Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the Lucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the difference is usually quite big?!

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Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference between a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consideration...

 ?

Glen Efinger

 ?

 ?

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow metal cone washers moot.? 

 ?

I?ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance racing. ?It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap enough the drain and refill often.?

 ?

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


? 

Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;

I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.

The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal in operation.

You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.

 ?

Glen Efinger

 ?

 ?

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Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Amici:

At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.? I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.

What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?

Thanks and regards,

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Aug 11 15:03:40 2022
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 07:03:40 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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i offer some comments based on decades of dealing with this issue in lots
of different race cars

to select the correct viscosity, you really need to know the operating
temperature

Adhesive temp indicating labels on the outside of the main diff case are
usually the easiest method. they will give you a good idea of
whats happening inside

typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circulating oil,
so be cautious here as it is most likely a lot "cooler" then the oil film
between the ring and the pinion at the point of their contact

if you are seeing temps much over 100C on the outer, then the old 90 weight
diff oils are highly unlikely to acceptable

once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are starting to
degrade ,  some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)

once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic viscosity of
the oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that allow the oil
to function as a metal to metal separator and the hotter things get, the
lower the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it keeping metals
apart. the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in this regard

in most modern rear-drive race cars we are using 140 grade purpose-made
race gear oils, and these have all sorts of fancy additives

microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to a diff build, can drop
working temperatures considerably

hope this helps in some way

Terry
Australia



On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thank you, everyone!
>
> It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car
> aren't up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs.  I thought the folks
> at Mobil would have done better, but apparently not enough.  I've taken all
> your inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof
> (lightweight) oil.  I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover of
> the 4A IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better
> cooling, although the added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat
> transfer through the metal.  Will do the math.
>
> Your insights are much appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil Gott
> Red '65 4A, #114
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>
> Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the
> Lucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the
> difference is usually quite big !
>
>
>
> *De :* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *De la part de* fubog1 via
> Fot
> *Envoy? :* mercredi 10 ao?t 2022 19:25
> *? :* fot at autox.team.net
> *Cc :* fot at autox.team.net
> *Objet :* Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>
>
>
> Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference
> between a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger
> consideration...
>
>
>
> Glen Efinger
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>
> Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow metal
> cone washers moot.
>
>
>
> I?ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good
> substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance
> racing.  It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap
> enough the drain and refill often.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil
> should be OK;
>
> I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
>
> The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make"
> any metal in operation.
>
> You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash,
> mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
>
>
>
> Glen Efinger
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>
> Amici:
>
> At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would
> recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1
> 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt
> Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning.
> The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1
> gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear
> end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
>
> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your
> experience?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu Aug 11 15:12:27 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:12:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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Thanks, Terry:
Good advice.
The situation is not made any easier in my car as the exhaust is only a few inches from the differential!  Makes a good case for having the exhaust exit out the side!
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2022, at 5:03 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:
> 
> ?
> i offer some comments based on decades of dealing with this issue in lots of different race cars 
> 
> to select the correct viscosity, you really need to know the operating temperature
> 
> Adhesive temp indicating labels on the outside of the main diff case are usually the easiest method. they will give you a good idea of whats happening inside
> 
> typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circulating oil, so be cautious here as it is most likely a lot "cooler" then the oil film between the ring and the pinion at the point of their contact
> 
> if you are seeing temps much over 100C on the outer, then the old 90 weight diff oils are highly unlikely to acceptable
> 
> once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are starting to degrade ,  some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)
> 
> once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic viscosity of the oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that allow the oil to function as a metal to metal separator and the hotter things get, the lower the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it keeping metals apart. the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in this regard
> 
> in most modern rear-drive race cars we are using 140 grade purpose-made race gear oils, and these have all sorts of fancy additives 
> 
> microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to a diff build, can drop working temperatures considerably
> 
> hope this helps in some way
> 
> Terry
> Australia
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Thank you, everyone!
>> 
>> It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car aren't up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs.  I thought the folks at Mobil would have done better, but apparently not enough.  I've taken all your inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof (lightweight) oil.  I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover of the 4A IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better cooling, although the added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat transfer through the metal.  Will do the math.
>> 
>> Your insights are much appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Phil Gott
>> Red '65 4A, #114
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>> 
>> Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the Lucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the difference is usually quite big !
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> De : Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de fubog1 via Fot
>> Envoy? : mercredi 10 ao?t 2022 19:25
>> ? : fot at autox.team.net
>> Cc : fot at autox.team.net
>> Objet : Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference between a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consideration...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Glen Efinger
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>> 
>> Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow metal cone washers moot. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I?ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance racing.  It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap enough the drain and refill often. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;
>> 
>> I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
>> 
>> The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal in operation.
>> 
>> You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Glen Efinger
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>> 
>> Amici:
>> 
>> At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
>> 
>> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?
>> 
>> Thanks and regards,
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Aug 11 15:26:12 2022
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 07:26:12 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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Agreed!

thats a common "fault" on rear drive cars. we typically get the exh pipe
thermal coated or wrap it in that region



On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 7:12 AM Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Terry:
> Good advice.
> The situation is not made any easier in my car as the exhaust is only a
> few inches from the differential!  Makes a good case for having the exhaust
> exit out the side!
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 11, 2022, at 5:03 PM, Enquiries Road & Track <
> enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:
>
> ?
> i offer some comments based on decades of dealing with this issue in lots
> of different race cars
>
> to select the correct viscosity, you really need to know the operating
> temperature
>
> Adhesive temp indicating labels on the outside of the main diff case are
> usually the easiest method. they will give you a good idea of
> whats happening inside
>
> typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circulating
> oil, so be cautious here as it is most likely a lot "cooler" then the oil
> film between the ring and the pinion at the point of their contact
>
> if you are seeing temps much over 100C on the outer, then the old 90
> weight diff oils are highly unlikely to acceptable
>
> once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are starting to
> degrade ,  some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)
>
> once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic viscosity of
> the oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that allow the oil
> to function as a metal to metal separator and the hotter things get, the
> lower the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it keeping metals
> apart. the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in this regard
>
> in most modern rear-drive race cars we are using 140 grade purpose-made
> race gear oils, and these have all sorts of fancy additives
>
> microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to a diff build, can drop
> working temperatures considerably
>
> hope this helps in some way
>
> Terry
> Australia
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, everyone!
>>
>> It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car
>> aren't up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs.  I thought the folks
>> at Mobil would have done better, but apparently not enough.  I've taken all
>> your inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof
>> (lightweight) oil.  I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover of
>> the 4A IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better
>> cooling, although the added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat
>> transfer through the metal.  Will do the math.
>>
>> Your insights are much appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phil Gott
>> Red '65 4A, #114
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>
>> Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the
>> Lucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the
>> difference is usually quite big !
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] *De la part de* fubog1
>> via Fot
>> *Envoy? :* mercredi 10 ao?t 2022 19:25
>> *? :* fot at autox.team.net
>> *Cc :* fot at autox.team.net
>> *Objet :* Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference
>> between a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger
>> consideration...
>>
>>
>>
>> Glen Efinger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>
>> Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow
>> metal cone washers moot.
>>
>>
>>
>> I?ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good
>> substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance
>> racing.  It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap
>> enough the drain and refill often.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil
>> should be OK;
>>
>> I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
>>
>> The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make"
>> any metal in operation.
>>
>> You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash,
>> mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
>>
>>
>>
>> Glen Efinger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
>> Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
>>
>> Amici:
>>
>> At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would
>> recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1
>> 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt
>> Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning.
>> The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1
>> gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear
>> end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
>>
>> What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your
>> experience?
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From jason at multivintage.com  Thu Aug 11 19:53:58 2022
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 21:53:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Racing at Grattan
Message-ID: <4C29969B-E548-46CB-9280-59728D745E32@multivintage.com>

Summer calls us to the water land of Michigan. 
Grattan is a time capsule of a track. 
My personal favorite of all tracks. 
Something about the way the track rolls. The views. 
The setting is stunning.
No frills amenities. 
Full on fun.
We have a small showing of Triumph friends.
Updates perhaps to follow.

Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6+ racecars 

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From rick.parent at att.net  Thu Aug 11 19:59:01 2022
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 01:59:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil
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I like the Swepco 201-80 weight, we use it in our Spit transmissions and diffs, we also use it in our Cup Car and TA cars. My experience has not been good with the Red Line products. I learned about the Swepco oil in the late 70's, it's what Gurney used in the Indy cars and GTP cars. At the end of the day Autozone gear oil would work so it's really not a difficult decision, just pick something and give it a try.
The heat is coming from the diff set up and while oil may help a few degree's it will not be the savior of your diff unfortunately.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences"
 

    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 06:34:35 PM MST, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 i offer some comments based on decades of dealing with this issue in lots of different race cars?
to select?the correct viscosity, you really?need to know the operating temperature
Adhesive temp indicating labels on the outside of the main diff case are usually?the easiest method. they will give you a good idea of whats?happening inside
typically, the outer case is a few degrees cooler that the circulating oil, so be cautious?here as it is most likely a lot "cooler" then the oil film between the ring and the pinion at the point of their contact
if you are seeing temps much over 100C on the outer, then the old 90 weight diff oils are highly unlikely to acceptable
once most 'off-the-shelf" oils get to about 100C, they are starting to degrade ,? some irrevocably (ie they are stuffed!!)
once you have an idea of temps , start looking at kinematic?viscosity of the oil being suggested. simplistically, its this value that allow the oil to function as a metal to metal separator?and the hotter things get, the lower the viscosity becomes, and the lower the chance of it keeping metals apart. the various brands of "race oils" can differ widely in this regard
in most?modern rear-drive race cars we are using 140 grade purpose-made race gear oils, and these have all sorts of fancy additives?
microfinishing the ring and pinion gears prior to a diff build, can drop working temperatures considerably
hope this helps in some way
TerryAustralia



On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 12:35 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Thank you, everyone!
It would seem that lubes designed for the everyday street-driven car aren't up to the challenge of racing our hyping diffs.? I thought the folks at Mobil would have done better, but apparently not enough.? I've taken all your inputs into consideration and going with the Redline Shockproof (lightweight) oil.? I'm also thinking of bolting on the aluminum cover of the 4A IRS diff to get a little extra capacity and perhaps some better cooling, although the added thickness may offset the higher rate of heat transfer through the metal.? Will do the math.
Your insights are much appreciated.
Regards,
Phil GottRed '65 4A, #114


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2022 4:38 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil


Gents, when heats becomes a problem then you should definitely try the Lucas oils. Measure temperatures before and after the change, the difference is usually quite big?!

 ?

De?: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] De la part de fubog1 via Fot
Envoy??: mercredi 10 ao?t 2022 19:25
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Cc?: fot at autox.team.net
Objet?: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

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Bob you bring up another good point as well, there's a big difference between a 20 minute sprint race & an enduro, the heat is a much bigger consideration...

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Glen Efinger

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Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Good point Glen. Welding up the center section makes the soft yellow metal cone washers moot.? 

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I?ve found EP90 GL4 from Car Quest (available from Advance) as a good substitute for StaLube GL4, but it overheats and failed us in endurance racing.? It has always worked in the shorter vintage race, and is cheap enough the drain and refill often.?

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On Aug 10, 2022, at 10:03 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


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Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil should be OK;

I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.

The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" any metal in operation.

You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on things, check the lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.

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Glen Efinger

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To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Amici:

At the risk of opening Pandora?s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.? I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems ?normal.? The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.

What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?

Thanks and regards,

Phil

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From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 14 19:24:48 2022
From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 01:24:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted
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fellow triumphistiI've been playin with TR's most of my life and as such have accumulated more than a bunch-o-parts. But, wouldn't ya know, I don't have a decent front engine plate in the bunch!So, I need a front plate that isn't torn up and gouged by the chain tensioner.Anyone have a good front engine plate for a TR4 that they want to sell?Lemme no,Nick in NorCal
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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sun Aug 14 20:39:32 2022
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:39:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted
Message-ID: <7a28d4a52aff4909b3e7d1802d74a4fa.Gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com>

Nick, we usually weld up the damaged area & then
either have a machinist mill the area down flat or
grind it flat and smooth with a die grinder and a
mounted stone.  We have had great success doing this.
almost every wet liner TR engine need this repair if
there are very many miles on the engine. 
                                Regards, 
                                  Greg Solow
                                  The Engine Room
                                  Santa Cruz.   



------- Original Message -------
>From    : Nick Black via Fot[mailto:fot at autox.team.net]
Sent    : 8/14/2022 6:24:48 PM
To      : fot at autox.team.net
Cc      : 
Subject : RE: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted

 fellow triumphistiI've been playin with TR's most of
my life and as such have accumulated more than a
bunch-o-parts. But, wouldn't ya know, I don't have a
decent front engine plate in the bunch!So, I need a
front plate that isn't torn up and gouged by the
chain tensioner.Anyone have a good front engine plate
for a TR4 that they want to sell?Lemme no,Nick in NorCal


From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon Aug 15 06:37:48 2022
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 12:37:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted
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 It's rare nowadays to find one that doesn't need the weld&grind repair...I always make sure that the tensioner is spaced out a bit from the plate, & use good quality tensioners ie the plated ones that Greg Solow supplies (hopefully still does cuz I need a couple).

Glen Efinger
 
 
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Sent: Sun, Aug 14, 2022 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted

Nick, we usually weld up the damaged area & then
either have a machinist mill the area down flat or
grind it flat and smooth with a die grinder and a
mounted stone.? We have had great success doing this.
almost every wet liner TR engine need this repair if
there are very many miles on the engine. 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Regards, 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Greg Solow
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The Engine Room
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Santa Cruz.? 



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Sent? ? : 8/14/2022 6:24:48 PM
To? ? ? : fot at autox.team.net
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Subject : RE: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted

 fellow triumphistiI've been playin with TR's most of
my life and as such have accumulated more than a
bunch-o-parts. But, wouldn't ya know, I don't have a
decent front engine plate in the bunch!So, I need a
front plate that isn't torn up and gouged by the
chain tensioner.Anyone have a good front engine plate
for a TR4 that they want to sell?Lemme no,Nick in NorCal

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 07:32:36 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 08:32:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted
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Yes. Spacing the tensioner is a good thing to do.

We have a stock of aluminum TR3 & TR4 & Morgan plates that we have fabricated for about 15 years.   Sean would discount to FOT if interested.

GT6, TR6 and Spitfire plates are also in stock and available.

Gasketinnovations.com

Regards,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
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The-vintage-racer.com
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Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Aug 15, 2022, at 8:18 AM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> It's rare nowadays to find one that doesn't need the weld&grind repair...
> I always make sure that the tensioner is spaced out a bit from the plate, & use good quality tensioners ie the plated ones that Greg Solow supplies (hopefully still does cuz I need a couple).
> 
> Glen Efinger
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregmogdoc--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, Aug 14, 2022 10:39 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted
> 
> Nick, we usually weld up the damaged area & then
> either have a machinist mill the area down flat or
> grind it flat and smooth with a die grinder and a
> mounted stone.  We have had great success doing this.
> almost every wet liner TR engine need this repair if
> there are very many miles on the engine. 
>                                 Regards, 
>                                   Greg Solow
>                                   The Engine Room
>                                   Santa Cruz.  
> 
> 
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
> From    : Nick Black via Fot[mailto:fot at autox.team.net]
> Sent    : 8/14/2022 6:24:48 PM
> To      : fot at autox.team.net
> Cc      : 
> Subject : RE: [Fot] TR4 front engine plate = wanted
> 
> fellow triumphistiI've been playin with TR's most of
> my life and as such have accumulated more than a
> bunch-o-parts. But, wouldn't ya know, I don't have a
> decent front engine plate in the bunch!So, I need a
> front plate that isn't torn up and gouged by the
> chain tensioner.Anyone have a good front engine plate
> for a TR4 that they want to sell?Lemme no,Nick in NorCal
> 
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 09:19:46 2022
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (jeffsnook01 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 11:19:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TO BOB JOHNS
Message-ID: <008101d8b0ba$75264e80$5f72eb80$@gmail.com>

Hey Bob, sorry we got cut off our phone conversation last week.  And, I
don't have your phone number or email, so here is the info you asked for:
Hoffsis Upholstery 419-353-0104
 
Jeff Snook
419-344-0319
www.snooksdreamcars.com
 
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From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 18 16:06:20 2022
From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:06:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] maxpeeding rods
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fellow triumphers,
I'm in the process of building a "stockish" TR4 motor. The stock rods need to be rebuilt so I thot I'd use a set of Maxpeeding rods as they are not much more money than the cost to rebuild the stockers. Has anyone used a set of these in an 87mm sleeve? Will they fit down the bore or are they too wide to fit without going to a larger bore?
if its not one thing, its another...Nick in NorCal
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 20:23:17 2022
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:23:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] maxpeeding rods
In-Reply-To: <284270404.3855910.1660860380815@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <284270404.3855910.1660860380815@mail.yahoo.com>
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Nick,
I've built a couple TR3/4 engines using those rods.   No issues with 87mm
bores.

Jason


On Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 6:15 PM Nick Black via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> fellow triumphers,
>
> I'm in the process of building a "stockish" TR4 motor. The stock rods need
> to be rebuilt so I thot I'd use a set of Maxpeeding rods as they are not
> much more money than the cost to rebuild the stockers. Has anyone used a
> set of these in an 87mm sleeve? Will they fit down the bore or are they too
> wide to fit without going to a larger bore?
>
> if its not one thing, its another...
> Nick in NorCal
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Aug 18 20:24:13 2022
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:24:13 +1000
Subject: [Fot] maxpeeding rods
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 <284270404.3855910.1660860380815@mail.yahoo.com>
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ive used that brand on various other engines. no hassles

Terry


On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:38 AM Nick Black via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> fellow triumphers,
>
> I'm in the process of building a "stockish" TR4 motor. The stock rods need
> to be rebuilt so I thot I'd use a set of Maxpeeding rods as they are not
> much more money than the cost to rebuild the stockers. Has anyone used a
> set of these in an 87mm sleeve? Will they fit down the bore or are they too
> wide to fit without going to a larger bore?
>
> if its not one thing, its another...
> Nick in NorCal
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Aug 19 04:22:27 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 06:22:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] maxpeeding rods
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I asked the same question, more or less, about 2 years ago. The consensus at that time was that you should have a good machine shop check all dimensions and resize as needed.
Phil G

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:05 PM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ive used that brand on various other engines. no hassles
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:38 AM Nick Black via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> fellow triumphers,
>> 
>> I'm in the process of building a "stockish" TR4 motor. The stock rods need to be rebuilt so I thot I'd use a set of Maxpeeding rods as they are not much more money than the cost to rebuild the stockers. Has anyone used a set of these in an 87mm sleeve? Will they fit down the bore or are they too wide to fit without going to a larger bore?
>> 
>> if its not one thing, its another...
>> Nick in NorCal
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri Aug 19 07:10:14 2022
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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 06:10:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FOT Member and Laguna Seca
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https://youtu.be/S8CHlpNSmeE This video is great. Steve is a long time FOT
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Aug 19 08:42:45 2022
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:42:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] maxpeeding rods
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I?ve used mine since 2010, no issues. I did see one batch used in another motor I built that were a little out of round on the big end.

So, like Phil said, it?s best to have them checked for round and the small end checked for wrist pin clearance.

Jim g

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Philip Gott via Fot
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 4:22 AM
To: Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
Cc: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] maxpeeding rods

 

I asked the same question, more or less, about 2 years ago. The consensus at that time was that you should have a good machine shop check all dimensions and resize as needed.

Phil G

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:05 PM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

ive used that brand on various other engines. no hassles

 

Terry


 

 

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:38 AM Nick Black via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

fellow triumphers,

 

I'm in the process of building a "stockish" TR4 motor. The stock rods need to be rebuilt so I thot I'd use a set of Maxpeeding rods as they are not much more money than the cost to rebuild the stockers. Has anyone used a set of these in an 87mm sleeve? Will they fit down the bore or are they too wide to fit without going to a larger bore?

 

if its not one thing, its another...

Nick in NorCal

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri Aug 19 08:44:11 2022
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 07:44:11 -0700
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So if these Maxspeed rods need to go to a machine shop to be resized, why not just take in your TR rods and have them done?  Then you get a new set of rod bolts and you don?t have to worry about fit.  Ken

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Philip Gott via Fot
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 3:22 AM
To: Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] maxpeeding rods

 

I asked the same question, more or less, about 2 years ago. The consensus at that time was that you should have a good machine shop check all dimensions and resize as needed.

Phil G

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:05 PM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

?

ive used that brand on various other engines. no hassles

 

Terry


 

 

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:38 AM Nick Black via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

fellow triumphers,

 

I'm in the process of building a "stockish" TR4 motor. The stock rods need to be rebuilt so I thot I'd use a set of Maxpeeding rods as they are not much more money than the cost to rebuild the stockers. Has anyone used a set of these in an 87mm sleeve? Will they fit down the bore or are they too wide to fit without going to a larger bore?

 

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 19 10:01:14 2022
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] maxpeeding rods
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 I'll bite on this one - for the TR6, the MAxSpeeding rods are 110 grams lighter and NEW metal. The quality was impressive.

My direct experience is one set, but it needed zero re-sizing. Pin sizing was perfect. My machinist didn't charge me to check them.
Frankly, I was shocked at that outcome based on the price, but I'd def. buy another set in the future, assuming that they are available. It was cheaper by far than fully prepping a set of stock rods (size, balance end to end, lighten, shot peen, etc.) And there is no way to get a set of stock rods that light and maintain the integrity and strength of the rods.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 11:47:16 AM EDT, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
So if these Maxspeed rods need to go to a machine shop to be resized, why not just take in your TR rods and have them done?? Then you get a new set of rod bolts and you don?t have to worry about fit.? Ken

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Subject: Re: [Fot] maxpeeding rods

 ?

I asked the same question, more or less, about 2 years ago. The consensus at that time was that you should have a good machine shop check all dimensions and resize as needed.

Phil G

Sent from my iPhone






On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:05 PM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?

ive used that brand on various other engines. no hassles

 ?

Terry


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fellow triumphers,

 ?

I'm in the process of building a "stockish" TR4 motor. The stock rods need to be rebuilt so I thot I'd use a set of Maxpeeding rods as they are not much more money than the cost to rebuild the stockers. Has anyone used a set of these in an 87mm sleeve? Will they fit down the bore or are they too wide to fit without going to a larger bore?

 ?

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 08:27:22 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 09:27:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Cranks to become available
Message-ID: <84B65FCF-5989-4EBC-8631-0A5AD84EBDE3@gmail.com>

FOT,

We are in the process of checking and grinding cranks to pass onto anyone who would like a spare.

We will be at Galena VTR next week, briefly.  Road America in September, and Ozark International Raceway in October. 

Please contact me for details.  Regards,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
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The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From cudapilot at comcast.net  Tue Aug 23 14:48:50 2022
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:48:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Press Release by Road America
Message-ID: <1807623145.960355.1661287731135@connect.xfinity.com>

Amici-

Road America put out their initial release this afternoon regarding next year's Kastner Cup:  

Click hear to view release https://www.roadamerica.com/article/road-america-announces-featured-marque-weathertech-international-challenge-brian-redman-2023?fbclid=IwAR0EbESwXhh2iCLMyuJyHfAP5qtHjG9LjnGZGqXpWRjgyohD8MWO3CN08QI

We continue to work on budgeting, fundraising, and other preliminary arrangements and will have an update for all of you next week.  We are really looking forward to hosting you all next year!

Best regards,

Brian Garcia
Co-Chair, 2023 Kastner Cup 
Road America - Elkhart Lake, WI
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From Dave at microworks.net  Sun Aug 28 13:31:07 2022
From: Dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:31:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VRG Newsletter with Pixs from PittRace
Message-ID: <735A05A60CF77F41BDE2723965DAFA650987FE12CEFD@mainserver>

Some nice shots of the TRs at PittRace

https://vrgonline.org/wp-content/uploads/Newsletters/22/VRG_Newsletter_Pitt_Race_2022.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3SpHZY8HSpMo5LSlFfrRJ8QIfrrOmuqf04WfDcWs-U2dUt1Qpyq3sVDrw



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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 18:51:36 2022
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:51:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner Birth Date.
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4505 Donald Dr
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The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 08:32:00 2022
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 07:32:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner Birth Date.
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Happy birthday Kas.

Chuck

> On Aug 29, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 08:39:55 2022
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 07:39:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A new era
Message-ID: <EEE145CF-97D4-47D7-80CC-7343D771BFAE@gmail.com>

Hello all,

Just wanted to share my new racer!  Picked it up from Mike Bruner this week and plan to start harassing fellow racers in the southeast at the beginning of next year.  If the harassment level isn?t up to par, I?ll make it a TR250 like Henry!

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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Aug 30 09:41:42 2022
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:41:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A new era
In-Reply-To: <EEE145CF-97D4-47D7-80CC-7343D771BFAE@gmail.com>
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Very nice!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello all,
> 
> Just wanted to share my new racer!  Picked it up from Mike Bruner this week and plan to start harassing fellow racers in the southeast at the beginning of next year.  If the harassment level isn?t up to par, I?ll make it a TR250 like Henry!
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Aug 30 10:22:38 2022
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:22:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A new era
In-Reply-To: <EEE145CF-97D4-47D7-80CC-7343D771BFAE@gmail.com>
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Cool! Glad to see you have a new project. 

Jason Ostrowski 
Friendly Ghost Racing 
1969 Triumph GT6 + racecars 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello all,
> 
> Just wanted to share my new racer!  Picked it up from Mike Bruner this week and plan to start harassing fellow racers in the southeast at the beginning of next year.  If the harassment level isn?t up to par, I?ll make it a TR250 like Henry!
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 10:25:05 2022
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:25:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A new era
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Chuck,

It?s blue?perfect!

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Very nice!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hello all,
>> 
>> Just wanted to share my new racer!  Picked it up from Mike Bruner this week and plan to start harassing fellow racers in the southeast at the beginning of next year.  If the harassment level isn?t up to par, I?ll make it a TR250 like Henry!
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 30 10:33:40 2022
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:33:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A new era
Message-ID: <1443cd69-cb4f-67a9-f547-3ed5d5bde9a3@earthlink.net>

Hope to see it at some VDCA events!
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Subject: [Fot] A new era

Hello all,

Just wanted to share my new racer! Picked it up from Mike Bruner this week and plan to start harassing fellow racers in the southeast at the beginning of next year. If the harassment level isn&rsquo;t up to par, I&rsquo;ll make it a TR250 like Henry!




Chuck Gee
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From kkjjk at aol.com  Tue Aug 30 11:31:33 2022
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:31:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner Birth Date.
In-Reply-To: <238108BA-E021-40B5-8DFF-B0564B5846C0@gmail.com>
References: <238108BA-E021-40B5-8DFF-B0564B5846C0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1817070272.1036682.1661880693302@mail.yahoo.com>

 Happy Birthday, Kas.? It was great to have met you.? Rest in Peace.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 8:51 pm
Subject: [Fot] Kas Kastner Birth Date.



Joe Alexander
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The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 13:27:39 2022
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:27:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA weekend at Watkins Glen
Message-ID: <CAG9YvYOrCARn7g=TJtLKW8qjNaKWJfXTsu+_ATR-A_K6LJBrcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello FOT
If anyone may be looking for a room for the Vintage GP at Watkins Glen next
week, I just gave one up at The Falls Motel <https://thefallsmotel.net/> in
Montour Falls. Ten minutes from the track, straight down 16 past the
hospital to Montour Falls. I had it from Wed. 7th through Sun. 11th.  Very
nice, super clean and modern motel, we've stayed there many race weekends.
Feel free to ring me with questions, but call or email Mike at the motel
for availability and booking etc.

*The Falls Motel*
239 N. Genesee Street
Montour Falls, NY 14865
607-535-7262
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 13:53:49 2022
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:53:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A new era
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It was one of the Blacksmith Racing Team cars.  It?s not only blue, but it?s the same color as my Spitfire!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Chuck,
> 
> It?s blue?perfect!
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Very nice!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to share my new racer!  Picked it up from Mike Bruner this week and plan to start harassing fellow racers in the southeast at the beginning of next year.  If the harassment level isn?t up to par, I?ll make it a TR250 like Henry!
>>> 
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 20:28:44 2022
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 20:28:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A new era
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Message-ID: <3EB408EF-C788-4D16-BEC1-8E6D27E8F2EC@gmail.com>

Mike Jackson,

I plan on VDCA being my home club.  You will be seeing a lot of it!

Chuck

> On Aug 30, 2022, at 10:25 AM, Brad Eells <tr4abrad at gmail.com> wrote:
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> ?Chuck,
> 
> It?s blue?perfect!
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:00 PM, Philip Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> ?Very nice!
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>>> ?Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to share my new racer!  Picked it up from Mike Bruner this week and plan to start harassing fellow racers in the southeast at the beginning of next year.  If the harassment level isn?t up to par, I?ll make it a TR250 like Henry!
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>>> <image0.jpeg>
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