[Fot] TR3 frame color question

Jim Shaw jshawtr2 at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 27 09:57:58 MST 2021 

Going to have to revise my original post. Upon closer examination of the 57 frame I do not see enough red paint to say it was all red. More rust dirt and nasty grease than red Will know more when the body comes off the frame. Original car unrestored. 
Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Could be just excess paint crossed shared? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use?
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------
>> 
>> From: "BILL" 
>> To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye"
>> Cc: "FOT Triumph"
>> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
>> 
>> I have been researching this rare  event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. 
>> Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? 
>> 
>> The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. 
>> 
>> I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch.
>> 
>> It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history.
>> 
>> All the Best,
>> 
>> Bill Redinger
>> VTR
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jim Shaw via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
>> Cc: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
>> 
>> The one under my 57 is signal red.
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. 
>> Dave H. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black 
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------
>> 
>> From: "Tony Sheach via Fot"
>> To: "Henry A. Morrison"
>> Cc: "FOT Triumph"
>> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC.
>> 
>> Cars had three ‘standards’ of prep it seems and the records show ‘A/A’, ‘A/B’, ‘A/C’ etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a’s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course.
>> 
>> The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today.
>> 
>> Hope this is useful
>> Tony 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............
>> 
>> Henry Morrison
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook
>> 
>> 
>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM
>> To: Steven Belfer <steve at artwithcars.com>
>> Cc: FOT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question
>>  
>> Essentially, that seems to be true.
>> 
>> But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc.
>> 
>> I encountered it when I was involved in a concours.
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black?   I say black only.
>> >
>> > ~Steve
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > fot at autox.team.net
>> >
>> > http://www.fot-racingcom
>> >
>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage@gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos@msn.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach@live.co.uk
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2@yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko@wi.rr.com
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2@yahoo.com
> 
> 
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot/attachments/20210127/2cfeea21/attachment-0003.htm>

More information about the Fot mailing list