From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jan 1 11:17:52 2021 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 13:17:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone have an idea where this photo might have been taken? 1950?s American cars in the background. I recall the Cumberland, MD airport track had a hillside like this but I don?t recall it being as high. Connellsville, PA also had a hillside (I think). Who are Ed, Gene and Austin? JVV From: Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 10:10 PM To: Friends Of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team Gene, Ed 91 years old and still with us, and Austin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Gene Ed Austin.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1386147 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 12:27:37 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 11:27:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FDC27C7-69D6-4E9B-80B9-2EA1ABFC6954@ponostyle.com> Reminds me of Sears Point before they did all the earthmoving. > On Jan 1, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea where this photo might have been taken? 1950?s American cars in the background. I recall the Cumberland, MD airport track had a hillside like this but I don?t recall it being as high. Connellsville, PA also had a hillside (I think). Who are Ed, Gene and Austin? > JVV > > From: Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot <> > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 10:10 PM > To: Friends Of Triumph <> > Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team > > > Gene, Ed 91 years old and still with us, and Austin > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 2 07:33:10 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2021 14:33:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team Message-ID: <09808d6dfcc8cb70991dd1ea5da0629eb0177eab@webmail> Austin Davis a NE Ohio dealer raced a TR3 at Cumberland and theGlen in 1956.He imported 3 cars direct from England I assume this is them -----------------------------------------From: "Ponostyle via Fot" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" Cc: "Friends Of Triumph" Sent: Friday January 1 2021 2:28:12PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team Reminds me of Sears Point before they did all the earthmoving. On Jan 1, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Does anyone have an idea where this photo might have been taken? 1950?s American cars in the background. I recall the Cumberland, MD airport track had a hillside like this but I don?t recall it being as high. Connellsville, PA also had a hillside (I think). Who are Ed, Gene and Austin? JVV FROM: Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot SENT: Thursday, December 31, 2020 10:10 PM TO: Friends Of Triumph SUBJECT: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team Gene, Ed 91 years old and still with us, and Austin ------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [1]http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: [3]http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: [5]http://autox.team.net/archive [6] [7]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] Unsubscribe/Manage: [9]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [10] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11]http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: [13]http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] Archive: [15]http://autox.team.net/archive [16] [17]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] Unsubscribe/Manage: [19]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com [20] Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com/ [2] http://www.fot-racing.com [3] http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] http://autox.team.net/archive [6] http://autox.team.net/archive [7] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [9] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [11] http://www.fot-racing.com/ [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] http://www.team.net/donate.html [15] http://autox.team.net/archive [16] http://autox.team.net/archive [17] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [19] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com [20] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 08:56:45 2021 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 10:56:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team In-Reply-To: <09808d6dfcc8cb70991dd1ea5da0629eb0177eab@webmail> References: <09808d6dfcc8cb70991dd1ea5da0629eb0177eab@webmail> Message-ID: Cumberland, MD ? On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 9:34 AM T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > Austin Davis a NE Ohio dealer raced a TR3 at Cumberland and theGlen in > 1956. > He imported 3 cars direct from England I assume this is them > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Ponostyle via Fot" > To: "Jerry Van Vlack" > Cc: "Friends Of Triumph" > Sent: Friday January 1 2021 2:28:12PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service > Race Team > > Reminds me of Sears Point before they did all the earthmoving. > > On Jan 1, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea where this photo might have been taken? 1950?s > American cars in the background. I recall the Cumberland, MD airport track > had a hillside like this but I don?t recall it being as high. > Connellsville, PA also had a hillside (I think). Who are Ed, Gene and > Austin? > JVV > > *From:* Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2020 10:10 PM > *To:* Friends Of Triumph > *Subject:* [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service > Race Team > > > > Gene, Ed 91 years old and still with us, and Austin > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jan 3 13:42:34 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 20:42:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 Message-ID: Opinions please. What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block? 1969 Spit 1296. Significant surface rust. [Image] Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20210103_103532.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 979508 bytes Desc: 20210103_103532.jpg URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 14:51:12 2021 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 15:51:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500. I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson 1955 EP TR3 #72 > On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > ? > Opinions please. What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block? 1969 Spit 1296. Significant surface rust. > > > <20210103_103532.jpg> > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jan 3 15:57:35 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 22:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks! That's about what I thought. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: dustin nicholson Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:51:12 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500. I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson 1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? Opinions please. What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block? 1969 Spit 1296. 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URL: From damys at charter.net Mon Jan 4 06:01:26 2021 From: damys at charter.net (David Amys) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 07:01:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Email change Message-ID: <88759037-6502-4256-9CAF-EEAFAF1806A1@charter.net> Please change my address from damys at charter.net to damys0615 at gmail.com Thank you Dave Amys Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 09:31:52 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:31:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Message-ID: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 4 10:27:29 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:27:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Message-ID: Must be the season :-) Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Greg Blake via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 10:32 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From unv at psu.edu Mon Jan 4 10:39:05 2021 From: unv at psu.edu (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:39:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Message-ID: Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. I would like to continue with recognition of women who raced Triumphs. I am attaching two photos of Anne Palo Davis, Austin?s wife, at the 1st Annual Sports Car Races Akron October, 1954. [cid:e98004a8-fd90-4896-8675-6dc9d154444d] [cid:dd4c746e-098f-4622-b558-3b947bb0a2ed] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis Sports Car Races Akron Goodyear blimp hager in background.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 598825 bytes Desc: Anne Davis Sports Car Races Akron Goodyear blimp hager in background.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 840824 bytes Desc: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 10:44:45 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Message-ID: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 13:19:34 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:19:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> References: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: > > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> > From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 13:23:51 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:23:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com>, <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 13:43:28 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> References: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> Message-ID: That might pay the gas for you to get there and back....... Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:27 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > >> > >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 13:46:39 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:46:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <226141C0-97C7-448F-B91F-EC9699C31EAB@icloud.com> Not even in this case. I made a deal with Will(15), if he loads them, he gets the scrap value. Also gets him about an hour and a half of driving time on his permit. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > That might pay the gas for you to get there and back....... > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:27 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: >> > >> > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> >> >> >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 13:49:09 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 13:58:52 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:58:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> , <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:04:34 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 13:04:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> References: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <01E3D48B-7A54-42E8-8071-68A66030A663@gmail.com> If it was me, with a hoard of starters and generators, my list would probably be... 1. First offer to FOT. 2. See if there?s rebuilder in my area that might want them. Give them for free or maybe barter for one back ?restored?. (Depending on the quality of the units I?d be giving away!) 3. Put a free ad on Craigslist under ?car parts? and offer for free. No phone numbers, just email and an offer to give address where I would put them out. 4. Put curbside with note: Free for recycling. 5. Put in my recycling bin and let city pick it up! I?d run through the possible doors quickly so as to not lose the spring purge energy! I had a neighbor when I first bought my current home who?s hobby was to collect scrap metals in his free time. He said that for many years, he managed to collect and sell enough to pay his way to travel to France once a year! Subsequently, he became totally fluent in French. He?s no longer my neighbor. When he became disenchanted with his career employer, he moved to France! I miss him! (And it was handy to just walk across the street to give him my scrap!) > On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?$0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: >> >> ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>> >>> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:07:19 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:18:08 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:19:04 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 4 14:24:15 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:24:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So far, I have saved them in an ever-growing tangle of old belts. 22 years? worth at this point. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:18 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:28:25 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:28:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to. Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car. Cheers Mike Deweerd On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and >> heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and >> the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < >> fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes >> on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to >> the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it >> back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates >> that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake >> *Cc:* Fot >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to >> five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it >> might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless >> are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of >> old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build >> or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a >> dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Jan 4 14:30:17 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:30:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when you turn it on? Phil G Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot wrote: > > ? > You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 14:31:51 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:31:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: I still owe you for picking me up off I-40 that night. I'm not sure the car I was about to hop into was populated with Triumph enthusiasts! Henry Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Greg Hilyer Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:07 PM To: Henry A. Morrison Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:32:56 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> Message-ID: <732999522.4310656.1609795976100@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, It's the device that drips water on your right knee all winter long. (unless you're right-hand-drive) On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:30:25 PM CST, Phil Gott wrote: What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when you turn it on?Phil G Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot wrote: ? You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:33:11 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: whilst?on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets.CheersBrian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 14:35:33 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:35:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: Late at night I put my old belts in Jacobsen's car, and his new ones in mine! Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:28 PM To: Brian Schirano Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to. Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car. Cheers Mike Deweerd On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 14:43:47 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 15:43:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have supplied a couple generations of cub scouts with the coolest looking restraints for their soap box cars. The kids swear it makes their car faster. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > ? > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>> >>> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >>> >>> Henry Morrison >>> >>> Sent from Outlook >>> >>> >>> From: Erik Jacobsen >>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >>> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>> >>> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >>> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >>> >>> Jake >>> >>> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >>> >>> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >>> >>> Cheers, Henry Morrison >>> >>> Sent from Outlook >>> >>> >>> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >>> To: Greg Blake >>> Cc: Fot >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>> >>> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>> > >>> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>> > >>> > Greg >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:49:55 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248859285.3891480.1609796995450@mail.yahoo.com> Henry! Now you'll have more fodder since Karen has the same ones in her 6... On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:46:26 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: Late at night I put my old belts in Jacobsen's car, and his new ones in mine! Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:28 PM To: Brian Schirano Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to.?Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars?Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car.?Cheers?Mike Deweerd? On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: whilst?on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets.CheersBrian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ;fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jan 4 15:01:09 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:01:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe I?m just behind the curve and have not had a set expire lately, but I send them back to get re-webbed... > On Jan 4, 2021, at 16:56, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?We have supplied a couple generations of cub scouts with the coolest looking restraints for their soap box cars. The kids swear it makes their car faster. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. >> Cheers >> Brian >> >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >>> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! >>> Cheers, >>> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >>> Albuquerque NM >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >>>> >>>> Henry Morrison >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Erik Jacobsen >>>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >>>> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>>> >>>> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >>>> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >>>> >>>> Jake >>>> >>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >>>> >>>> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >>>> >>>> Cheers, Henry Morrison >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >>>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >>>> To: Greg Blake >>>> Cc: Fot >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>>> >>>> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>> > >>>> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>>> > >>>> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>>> > >>>> > Greg >>>> > >>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > fot at autox.team.net >>>> > >>>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> > >>>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 4 16:09:42 2021 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:09:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> Message-ID: <053820fb-b570-07a6-08a1-c56693038937@verizon.net> Hmmmm I thought a heater was a small handgun! As for old belts, I gave some to a young guy starting out in dirt tracking. He ran quite a few events and quit. Said "It gets expensive, doesn't it?"? Kid, you ain't seen nothing! Stay safe, Bill On 1/4/2021 4:30 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t > understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when > you turn it on? > Phil G > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers >> and heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> > wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers >> and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen > > >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake > >; fot at autox.team.net >> > >; Henry A. Morrison > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die >> hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via >> Fot > wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date >> codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them >> to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have >> made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of >> these with dates that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot > > on behalf of Joe via Fot >> > >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake > >> *Cc:* Fot > >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few >> to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them >> to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > > wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are >> useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list >> is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of >> these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. >> I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 >> stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 16:34:00 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:34:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> An idea I?ve been kicking around but haven?t got around to, is using old harnesses as ?over the tire? tie-downs for trailering. Maybe some type of turnbuckle for final chinching once they?re adjusted to fit. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Erik Jacobsen >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: Fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 16:54:48 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:54:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: RE re webbing - these are G-Force, they used to offer re webbing, the set I have were probably redone, but they aren't offering at least not at this time Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:37 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > An idea I?ve been kicking around but haven?t got around to, is using old > harnesses as ?over the tire? tie-downs for trailering. Maybe some type of > turnbuckle for final chinching once they?re adjusted to fit. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them > the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems > like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts > seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 4 19:01:28 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:01:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Hello! Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? Could you share your experiences? Thanks, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 19:20:14 2021 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 02:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing Spit on EBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <350334289.4374547.1609813214908@mail.yahoo.com> I got a copy of the receipt for the rebuild. Work was done by Melvin Automotive and the total price was around $1,500. Yes $1,500.?If anyone is interested, I can send it to you. ?Email me at vintage_british at yahoo.com.? It is listed on FB in Raleigh for $12K and he tells me his reserve price on eBay is less. ?Not the car for me unfortunately. ? Thx Ty Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, January 4, 2021, 10:43 AM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (Barr, Scott) ? 2. Re: 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (dustin nicholson) ? 3. Re: 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (Barr, Scott) ? 4. Email change (David Amys) ? 5. Shop cleaning (Greg Blake) ? 6. Re: Shop cleaning (Barr, Scott) ? 7. Women who raced Triumphs in the early days (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500.? I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson?1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. <20210103_103532.jpg> Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Thanks!? That's about what I thought. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: dustin nicholson Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:51:12 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969?I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500.? I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson?1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ?Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. <20210103_103532.jpg> Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Please change my address from damys at charter.net to damys0615 at gmail.com Thank you Dave Amys Sent from my iPhone Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone Must be the season? :-) Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Greg Blake via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 10:32 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com #yiv1881061199 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. I would like to continue with recognition of women who raced Triumphs. I am attaching two photos of Anne Palo Davis, Austin?s wife, at the 1st Annual Sports Car Races Akron October, 1954. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20210103_103532.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 979508 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis Sports Car Races Akron Goodyear blimp hager in background.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 598825 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 840824 bytes Desc: not available URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Jan 4 19:28:52 2021 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 12:28:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com> <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Message-ID: yes, on various race cars BUT, we always use temp analysis paint and decals to make sure we understand what peak tems we are seeing, where and how. On some slower tracks, in winter, the intake ducts get blocked off lest the discs run too cool terry On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:07 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Hello! > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > Could you share your experiences? > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Jan 4 19:28:17 2021 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 02:28:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com>, <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Message-ID: Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! My 2 cents T Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello! > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > Could you share your experiences? > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 19:39:48 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:39:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B67512-9521-46CF-B552-C841B33C7263@gmail.com> Kind of input I am looking for. Thank you, Tony & Terry. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:33 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > > ?Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. > > All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! > > Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? > > Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! > > My 2 cents > T > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Hello! >> >> Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> >> Could you share your experiences? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From unv at psu.edu Mon Jan 4 20:18:02 2021 From: unv at psu.edu (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 03:18:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure Message-ID: Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. [cid:fb71de7e-cd5d-46e5-9332-1899fa6571ed] [cid:4e10ec89-fbea-43c5-be4a-c49b55b87e81] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM+Yenko+TR3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 78612 bytes Desc: DMM+Yenko+TR3.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 17tcook17 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 05:28:01 2021 From: 17tcook17 at gmail.com (timothy cook) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 07:28:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! [image: image.jpeg] Thanks! Tim On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae > discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM+Yenko+TR3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 78612 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62005 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Same with brake fluid! > > Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? > > Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know > your facts !! > > My 2 cents > T > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Hello! > > > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > > > Could you share your experiences? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Alexander > > 4505 Donald Dr > > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > > The-vintage-racer.com > > Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 5 08:32:30 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:32:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! It?s a great list and the interaction is great. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Mike Granat wrote: > > ? > That is excellent advice and a good 'heads up'. Tony applied that methodology to the brakes on my +4 racer and the results were quite surprising. I guess we all assume that brakes always overheat... getting the brakes right is gratifying. > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 6:33 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: >> Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. >> >> All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! >> >> Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? >> >> Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! >> >> My 2 cents >> T >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello! >> > >> > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> > >> > Could you share your experiences? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > 4505 Donald Dr >> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> > The-vintage-racer.com >> > Gasketinnovations.com >> > Cell: 319.464.4711 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed?s cousin, Gene raced at the Glen in 1956 and 1957 and raced a Fraser-Nash in 1958 Ed Boyd Eichenlaub racing In 1956 - Right hand drive 1956 Triumph TR3 [cid:92138e8a-112c-47b9-9650-1376e86ecf8b] PennOhio SCC Old Smokey Hill Climb 1st SCCA Cumberland MD novice race 5th SCCA Dunkirk NY airport CSCC Put in Bay DNF SCCA Giants Despair Hill Climb SCCA Brynfan Tyddyn 5th SCCA Swickley Pa Hill Climb 3rd SCCA Akron airport Ohio 5th In 1957 - Ed raced a Porsche 1600 Super Coupe In 1958 - Ed raced a Porsche Carrera Speedster 1500 GS GT Ed then retired from racing Ed?s brother Jim is well known in sports car racing. He raced a Bandini in 1958 and an OSCA S187 in 1959 To all of you in FOT have the best year of racing and don?t forget to have fun. Be safe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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THERE ... | | | Ty On Monday, January 4, 2021, 12:00:14 PM MST, wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Shop cleaning (Joe) Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 14:40:06 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 13:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amici, One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to a full new harness. They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them > the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems > like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts > seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 15:36:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 17:36:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that Brad, I jumped on it and called them, only thing is they have to be Crowely belts, they don't do other peoples. Nevertheless good to find a source that still does this. Thanksagain Brian On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 4:40 PM Brad Eells wrote: > Amici, > > One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness > decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply > send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to > a full new harness. > > They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer > stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. > > http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > >> Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer >> them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. >> Seems like a shame, but what can you do. >> >> That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI >> belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with >> their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another >> one to a box with two other sets. >> Cheers >> Brian >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and >> heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and >> the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < >> fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes >> on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to >> the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it >> back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates >> that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake >> *Cc:* Fot >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to >> five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it >> might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless >> are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of >> old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build >> or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a >> dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> >> -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Basic measurements suggest it will work for me, but i need one in my hand to couple up with a prototype conrod ive 3D printed for testing yes, i know i can get custom forged ones made, and i might have to head that way, but i still want a sample to touch and feel and turn over inside an engine I'm hoping someone in the group might be able to help many thanks, and stay safe in such extraordinary times Terry Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 06:07:03 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:07:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Builder In-Reply-To: <196984042.4541223.1609876694492@mail.yahoo.com> References: <196984042.4541223.1609876694492@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ummm, no. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 11:31 PM T Thompson via Fot wrote: > I see racecar potential here! > > TRIUMPH TR4 PARTS CAR | eBay > > > $65.00 > TRIUMPH TR4 PARTS CAR | eBay > > IT HAS BEEN SITTING 10+ YEARS FOR SURE. THE BODY IS VERY BAD. THIS IS A > SOLID REAR VS IRS CAR. NO GAUGES. THERE ... > > > > > Ty > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 12:00:14 PM MST, > wrote: > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Shop cleaning (Joe) > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 08:24:30 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:24:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E1CE1A4-3388-428C-9DB6-EAD8BBF28265@ponostyle.com> It?s an often overlooked issue. I ran into the back of a Lotus in Peyote at the chicane entrance once on the first lap of a Portland Rose Cup race because my brakes were dead cold. the victim told me he always rode his brakes on the warmup lap to get the pads up to temperature?advice I considered silly until I tried it. I always assumed brakes worked best when cold?they do, after all, convert kinetic energy into heat. It would seem the deeper the reservoir the better they would work, and that?s true for the disk, but not the pads. It turns out that competition pads?those designed to handle higher temperature, don?t start conforming to the disk until they get hot enough regardless of how hard you stand on the pedal. They also initially off-gas a little, which might also reduce friction. Initially Peyote had some kludgy dryer-duct cooling which I think Tony tossed out the first time he worked on the car. I?ve never had the brakes fade, though I?ve certainly had brain fade fairly often. > On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:32 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > Yes! It?s a great list and the interaction is great. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Mike Granat wrote: >> >> ? >> That is excellent advice and a good 'heads up'. Tony applied that methodology to the brakes on my +4 racer and the results were quite surprising. I guess we all assume that brakes always overheat... getting the brakes right is gratifying. >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 6:33 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot > wrote: >> Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. >> >> All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! >> >> Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? >> >> Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! >> >> My 2 cents >> T >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello! >> > >> > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> > >> > Could you share your experiences? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > 4505 Donald Dr >> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> > The-vintage-racer.com >> > Gasketinnovations.com >> > Cell: 319.464.4711 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 08:34:42 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:34:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <283819819.209159.1609947282953@connect.xfinity.com> I have been using Crow belts and their rewebbing service has been excellent. Having to do this every two years, makes this an important asset to me and their business. They are inexpensive and you can make changes to whatever design or color they offer during the rewebbing. I changed to the narrow section of the shoulder belts to better fit the HANS device. Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 1:40 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > > Amici, > > One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to a full new harness. > > They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. > > http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. > > > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > > > Regards, > > Bob Lang > > > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > > Cheers > > Brian > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > > > Cheers, > > > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > > > Albuquerque NM > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > > > > > > > Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook http://aka.ms/weboutlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > > > > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > > > > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > > > > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > > > > > > > Jake > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > > > > > > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > > > > > > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook http://aka.ms/weboutlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > > > > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > > > > To: Greg Blake > > > > Cc: Fot > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > > > > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Schirano > > 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 08:45:44 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:45:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1537494971.209202.1609947945902@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks for sharing these photos. They sure are terrific. Tim, I like the mirrors on the car and the real meaty tires on those rims. Your dad had the car setup nice and your mom looks to be enjoying it. Very nice. Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: > > > Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! > > [image.jpeg] > > Thanks! > > Tim > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. 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On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: > > > Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! > > [image.jpeg] > > Thanks! > > Tim > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill On 1/6/2021 10:50 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > I think Tim Suddard now owns the Mae Mims car. > Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: >> Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's >> school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! >> image.jpeg >> Thanks! >> >> Tim >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net > wrote: >> >> Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show >> Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage >> : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! [image.jpeg] Thanks! Tim On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. 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If anyone has a comparable pair of lap belts that are freshly out of date for racing, or a pair of unused comparable lap belts that went out of date sitting on a shelf I would be very interested in getting them. I just do not have the money to go out and purchase a new set. New or infrequently used expired belts would be much than what I have. Please let me know if you have two lap belts that you don't have a use for. Thanks TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 6 10:12:04 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:12:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Sounds like you should have your pick of colors. I can offer blue Pyrotect ones. https://pyrotectstore.com/product/ultra-light-5-point-sfi-cam-lock-harness Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:59 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > > ? > On the subject of expired belts, My street TR3 has two Simpson 3" wide seat belts that are probably over 15 years old and are showing their age from daily use. If anyone has a comparable pair of lap belts that are freshly out of date for racing, or a pair of unused comparable lap belts that went out of date sitting on a shelf I would be very interested in getting them. I just do not have the money to go out and purchase a new set. 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 10:29:55 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: and I have 3 red sets of out of date G-Force, one is latch and link the other two are cam locks. All pretty new looking as they hardly see the light of day in the course of two years before going out of date Brian 585-305-0349 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Sounds like you should have your pick of colors. I can offer blue Pyrotect > ones. > > https://pyrotectstore.com/product/ultra-light-5-point-sfi-cam-lock-harness > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:59 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > > On the subject of expired belts, My street TR3 has two Simpson 3" wide > seat belts that are probably over 15 years old and are showing their age > from daily use. If anyone has a comparable pair of lap belts that are > freshly out of date for racing, or a pair of unused comparable lap belts > that went out of date sitting on a shelf I would be very interested in > getting them. I just do not have the money to go out and purchase a new > set. New or infrequently used expired belts would be much than what I have. > Please let me know if you have two lap belts that you don't have a use for. > > Thanks > > TeriAnn > -- > > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and > Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[cid:176d281f3d877648442] [cid:176d281f3d7edb5d29c1] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM+Yenko+TR3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 78612 bytes Desc: DMM+Yenko+TR3.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DMM5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 62005 bytes Desc: DMM5.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 94798 bytes Desc: image.jpeg URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 11:26:59 2021 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 11:26:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: I should also mention the type of 3 inch seat belts I have are latch & link type, the TR3 is red with black interior. I strongly prefer 2 sets of 3" wide latch and link type, black or red. Thank you. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:13 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From jaboruch at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 11:11:23 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:11:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I am remembering correctly, Jerry was from Chapaqua (sp?), NY (where Hillary and Bill Clinton live). Jerry raced with the SCCA in the Volvo Historic Series/ Historic Race Group. The last I knew he was town manager and you may be able to find him that way. Joe B. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2021, at 9:14 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jan 7 15:24:56 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 17:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> References: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F3AB13B-7997-4976-923E-0F34147D67CF@me.com> That?s great, Ken. If the old car doesn?t turn out to be available I?m sure we can find you another one. Not quite the same, but . . . Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2021, at 5:20 PM, KEN & MEREDYDD FRANCKE wrote: > > ? > Good news everyone. I found the car. Jerry Faiella stitl has it and its been sitting for 12 years. Unfortunately for me it was just planning to redo it. Maybe with a little luck I can talk him out of it. > > Thanks for everybody's help. > > -ken francke > > On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:11:47 AM EST, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TRF just shows them as NLA in their illustration. > Let me know?????. > > Thanks > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 9 08:46:10 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2021 15:46:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Message-ID: <588e5f65be8f519c7f245e5bf4782ccbdb1d2378@webmail> -----------------------------------------From: "Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot" To: "Friends Of Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 4 2021 12:40:54PM Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. I would like to continue with recognition of women who raced Triumphs. 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I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1503075 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM. > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jan 9 12:59:54 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 14:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Count me in Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jan 9 13:11:42 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 20:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) References: <123850491.239992.1610223102491.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> Count me in for a dozen! Large size please .? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 9, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 13:12:00 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 15:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Put me down for 2 Cheers Mike Deweerd On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Count me in > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Hello all, > > > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were > based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody > the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I > needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might > want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and > $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? > They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. > The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original > supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Gee > > > > This is the back: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo > though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sat Jan 9 15:49:56 2021 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 22:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <905302824.146156.1610232596481@mail.yahoo.com> I'm in, 1 large please. Rick Parent "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 02:29:29 PM EST, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mereken at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 7 15:10:18 2021 From: mereken at bellsouth.net (KEN & MEREDYDD FRANCKE) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> Good news everyone. I found the car. Jerry Faiella stitl has it and its been sitting for 12 years. Unfortunately for me it was just planning to redo it. Maybe with a little luck I can talk him out of it. Thanks for everybody's help. -ken francke On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:11:47 AM EST, Scott Janzen wrote: I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. ?Anyone know where it is?A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. ?My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002.? I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. Ken Francke772-287-2689 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TR4atMoroso.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 267438 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 9 15:57:43 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 15:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: What timing.? I have one of them from 2007 and wore it just two days ago.? I'd take a couple more. mjb. From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 16:34:11 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 15:34:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> Chuck, Count me in for 2 in XL. Could be a real ?bang up? theme for this year?s Kastner Cup! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > ? > Put me down for 2 > Cheers > Mike Deweerd > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> Count me in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello all, >> > >> > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> > >> > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> > >> > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Chuck Gee >> > >> > This is the back: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sat Jan 9 17:19:37 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 19:19:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> References: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick McCurdy for one ladge! > On Jan 9, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ?Chuck, > > Count me in for 2 in XL. > > Could be a real ?bang up? theme for this year?s Kastner Cup! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Put me down for 2 >> Cheers >> Mike Deweerd >> >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>> Count me in >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Hello all, >>> > >>> > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> > >>> > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> > >>> > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Chuck Gee >>> > >>> > This is the back: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 17:47:29 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 00:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> Message-ID: <996592534.143472.1610239649626@mail.yahoo.com> We're certainly interested!1 2xl and 1 large Jake and Karen Jacobsen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 6:21 PM, Rick McCurdy via Fot wrote: _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 19:42:51 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 18:42:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <996592534.143472.1610239649626@mail.yahoo.com> References: <996592534.143472.1610239649626@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3553E088-65CB-4626-BB61-29DC751455DA@gmail.com> All we need are white pants and black belts to complete the Kastner Team look! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Erik Jacobsen wrote: > > ?We're certainly interested! > 1 2xl and 1 large > > Jake and Karen Jacobsen > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 6:21 PM, Rick McCurdy via Fot > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jan 9 21:24:56 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 23:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C94B2C6-50F0-4FBE-B280-561552E7DC46@seiri.com> +1 in large for Bownes > On Jan 9, 2021, at 17:58, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?What timing. I have one of them from 2007 and wore it just two days ago. I'd take a couple more. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 02:28:39 2021 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 09:28:39 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 08:46:13 2021 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 07:46:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: > Nice! > But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view > of > recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? > > "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:06:52 2021 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: As an alternative, just don't buy one. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:47 AM Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee > Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which > manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing > it? If you want something different, design your own. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view >> of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 10 09:07:46 2021 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:07:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> Well said Kas, From: Kas Kastner via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:46 AM To: John Davies Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 10 09:18:43 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Makes perfect sense when we know the backstory. Thank you! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:19:34 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:19:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Hear, hear! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 10:17 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > Well said Kas, > > *From:* Kas Kastner via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:46 AM > *To:* John Davies > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 > > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee > Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured > fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want > something different, design your own. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view >> of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Sun Jan 10 09:21:30 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 References: <245886059.385986.1610295690421.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <245886059.385986.1610295690421@mail.yahoo.com> John: ? Huh? ?(You don?t ?have to buy a?t -shirt ) . ? Btw. ?The shirt is?just??perfect for my son he?is a holder of a Federal?Explosive License ( FEL)?Fully ?vetted??and certified. ? ?Just ?Perfect! ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, January 10, 2021,?John Davies via Fot??wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 09:56:59 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <549585968.195447.1610297819811@mail.yahoo.com> Seriously??? Glen Efinger Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 10:19:11 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:19:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <915E6A31-016E-4D70-8D6D-5757D711CBDE@gmail.com> Chuck - Yes, two XL in Long Sleeve Please & one Medium, Please, Please! Florida sun has made my arms too toasty, need to keep the sun off. Thanks, Terry ?64 Spit Racer ?68 TR 250 > On Jan 9, 2021, at 14:40, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Jan 10 10:37:07 2021 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2086746705.410637.1610300227457@mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Chuck-? Although the T shirt was before my time (by about 8 years), I am a sucker for all things Triumphs and Kastner, and also for T shirts in general.? Please count me in for one XL.? Thanks!-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 2:26 pm Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jan 10 11:13:37 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:13:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Please us down for: 2 Extra Large 1 Medium What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride. Thanks to Kas for the back story. Paul Ricco 813-716-1931 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Jan 10 11:44:15 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:44:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> References: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Message-ID: If we are taking orders, put me down for 1 as well. > On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > ?Please us down for: > > 2 Extra Large > 1 Medium > > What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride. > > Thanks to Kas for the back story. > > Paul Ricco > 813-716-1931 > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >>> Nice! >>> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >>> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >>> >>> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >>> >>> John >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >>> >>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >>> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 11:48:55 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> References: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Message-ID: <2138968828.245927.1610304535884@mail.yahoo.com> Yes I would like to get in for 2, one medium, one large. Re the previous explosive comment that got a few replies, including mine, I didn't realize at first that he is across the pond, different views on some things, and also I just happened to read the post immediately after spending an hour & a half @ the shooting range w/the GF on this fine Sunday morning, in the free state of Florida, in the free, for now, USA...No offense to the OP. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Kas Kastner Cc: FOT ; John Davies Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2021 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Please us down for: 2 Extra Large1 Medium What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride.? Thanks to Kas for the back story.? Paul Ricco813-716-1931 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: ?The original?shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American?Explosives which manufactured?fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something?different, design?your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 11:53:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:53:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn - you out there? I'm going to the post office tomorrow (Monday 11th) and can you a set of red latch and link belts Let me know Brian 585-305-0349 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:27 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > I should also mention the type of 3 inch seat belts I have are latch & > link type, the TR3 is red with black interior. I strongly prefer 2 sets of > 3" wide latch and link type, black or red. Thank you. > > TeriAnn > -- > > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and > Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 16:21:01 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 23:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 References: <1590149743.718345.1610320861259.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1590149743.718345.1610320861259@mail.yahoo.com> A lot of folks like explosives....and I agree with Kas! Here's a pic of the "hollywood shot" atvtbr graduation of a 6-week breacher course I instructed. Class consisted of mostly SEALs and a few Army Spec Op guys. Love getting paid to blow stuff up! M. Huovinen On Sunday, January 10, 2021 John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 11 04:21:08 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:21:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <002701d6e80b$dc8c8810$95a59830$@gmail.com> I like explosive stuff. When I was a child we collected the left overs from Sylvester and built bigger bombs and blew them up. Quite dangerous for children but some fun for us at that time. Happy to grew up, when there wasn?t Nanny times as these days. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Kas Kastner via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Januar 2021 16:46 An: John Davies Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot > On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 09:47:56 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:47:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:56:06 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:56:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. > On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. > > There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:19:25 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:19:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool Message-ID: Hello Amici, Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... [image: Vitesse Trans-Am and F 5000 crews KBR (Large).jpg] White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:32:25 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:32:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> References: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> Thanks Bill. I?ll be delivering yours personally to Maui. Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Ponostyle wrote: > > ?I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. > > I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. > > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. >> >> There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> >>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> >>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Gee >>> >>> This is the back: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jan 11 11:35:30 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C06E1C6-EA6E-4277-90E2-1385AD53189F@me.com> Historic perspective shows us the way, again. White is the way to go, and retro cool - just like all of us (hah). Scott ?68 GT6 On Jan 11, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 11:38:12 2021 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:38:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF7817B-1859-4BAB-A25E-C90855226888@comcast.net> Is Brophy in the picture? > On Jan 11, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 11:41:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 18:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding References: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges.? I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments.? The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2.? When it came back it looked like a new gauge.? They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem.? In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions.? It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts.? I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system.? With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done.? I have used Nisonger for instrument rebuilding for over 30 years, with similar results. Best regards, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Jan 11 11:56:35 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:56:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding In-Reply-To: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack, We have also had an excellent experience with Nisonger. They recently did a full set for a car that we are working on. We are very satisfied. Paul Ricco > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges. I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments. The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2. When it came back it looked like a new gauge. They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem. In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. > > When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions. It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts. I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system. With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. > > I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done. I have used Nisonger for instrument rebuilding for over 30 years, with similar results. > > Best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 11 12:54:55 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:54:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19A09577-ABFA-4741-9682-7CEFDA059F56@wi.rr.com> I concur with all of your comments Jack. When I got my Austin Healy tach back it was like getting a new one. Allen Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > ?Jack, > > We have also had an excellent experience with Nisonger. They recently did a full set for a car that we are working on. We are very satisfied. > > Paul Ricco > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges. I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments. The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2. When it came back it looked like a new gauge. They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem. In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. >> >> When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions. It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts. I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system. With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. >> >> I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done. I have used Nisonger for instrument rebuilding for over 30 years, with similar results. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jack >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Jan 11 13:15:14 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts References: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do?6 large?and 6 xl. ? Mordy? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 11, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week.? I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this.? Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:23:22 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:23:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> References: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7483C521-D545-4268-84A0-A3823DD1FF98@gmail.com> Actually I?m in SoCal at the moment, though you could drop by Maui and let me know how the remodel on my house there is going. Diane is diabetic, we won?t be getting on any airplanes until she gets vaccinated. I, on the other hand, have the immune system of a badger?and old, grumpy one. > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Thanks Bill. I?ll be delivering yours personally to Maui. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Ponostyle wrote: >> >> ?I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. >> >> I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. >> >> >>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. >>> >>> There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:37:58 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:37:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All, I?m only doing white short sleeve this time. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do 6 large and 6 xl. > > Mordy > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Monday, January 11, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. > > There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > > > ?Hello all, > > > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Gee > > > > This is the back: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 15:05:22 2021 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:05:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> References: <123850491.239992.1610223102491.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Mordy? The Graphic designer is not long gone? he?s merely lurking in the PNW. I have a folder of all FOT art work files I had a hand in. If Steve Belfer would call me at 971-241-8354 I?ll give him a rundown of what I?ve got. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mordy Dunst via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 12:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject) Count me in for a dozen! Large size please . Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 9, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 20:45:14 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:45:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> All, I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys were accurate in their portrayal). Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 04:57:03 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 05:57:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter Brock told me that if you watch the movie as an historic documentary, you'll be disappointed as not everything is accurate. If you watch it as Hollywood entertainment, then it would be much more enjoyable. After all, they did not show Peter or Kas in the movie and both had a major influence on Shelby history, whether Ford or Hollywood wants to acknowledge that or not. They definitely wouldn't add said shirts to the big screen, although it would have been ultra cool to see an extra on set wearing one... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > All, > > I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep > manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other > Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, > the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy > driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories > intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had > everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the > movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. > > Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, > they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys > were accurate in their portrayal). > > Chuck > > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's > Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box > driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the > short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in > the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, > Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of > course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Chuck On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: ?Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do?6 large?and 6 xl. ? Mordy? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 11, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week.? I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this.? Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Dennis Sent from my iPhone From kaskastner at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:04:26 2021 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:04:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: That was indeed a funny couple hours. Everyone in the Triumph pits was wearing one of the shirts and it was not until about ten o'clock in the AM that I noticed it on Charlie Gates who was driving my TR-250- (and won) in the modified category. I was so embarrassed, not easy to do. My little mind was busy elsewhere. I have a photo of Charlie leaning up against a post in the paddock and the shirt is visible. (my first notice of it.) *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > All, > > I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep > manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other > Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, > the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy > driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories > intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had > everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the > movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. > > Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, > they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys > were accurate in their portrayal). > > Chuck > > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's > Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box > driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the > short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in > the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, > Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of > course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:40:26 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:40:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting to note the Cobra shirt can still be bought off the shelf. [image: yhst-13525187779972_2268_86451074.jpg] [image: yhst-13525187779972_2268_86488646.jpg] *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Kas Kastner wrote: > That was indeed a funny couple hours. Everyone in the Triumph pits was > wearing one of the shirts and it was not until about ten o'clock in the AM > that I noticed it on Charlie Gates who was driving my TR-250- (and won) in > the modified category. I was so embarrassed, not easy to do. My little > mind was busy elsewhere. I have a photo of Charlie leaning up against a > post in the paddock and the shirt is visible. (my first notice of it.) > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot > wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep >> manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other >> Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, >> the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy >> driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories >> intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had >> everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the >> movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. >> >> Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, >> they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys >> were accurate in their portrayal). >> >> Chuck >> >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Hello Amici, >> >> Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's >> Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box >> driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the >> short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in >> the photo. >> >> The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, >> Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of >> course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... >> >> >> >> >> White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. Thanks, Chuck -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jan 14 05:46:37 2021 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <262139464.1111335.1610628397537@mail.yahoo.com> Can I get two XLs? ? Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 6:25 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Thanks to everyone for the great response.? This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it!? We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping.? They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail.? Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40.? If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05.? You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities.? Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct.? If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list.? Once all this is finalized we will place the order.? I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment.? Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut.? Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jan 15 08:31:29 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 10:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 information available Message-ID: Curt Johnston and his team are busy working out the details of the 2021 Kastner Cup event at Portland International Raceway. We have posted a quick facts sheet for those racers who are planning to run, along with a very recent press release and a copy of the poster on: www.fot-racing.com Special thanks to Steve Belfer for another great job on the poster! Also, just a reminder that Curt is still looking for volunteers to help on various committees, his contact info is on the press release. Should be another great one!!! From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 11:27:49 2021 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 11:27:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for doing this Chuck. I?ve found it interesting that I couldn?t help mentally adding to the images I have of the list members I?ve never met by the choices of t-shirt sizes. Hopefully it will help when I meet fellow racers. We have a group that stretches far and wide and it appears to apply to t-shirts too. ;) Bud > On Jan 13, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! > > We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. > > I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! > > Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Fri Jan 15 11:59:31 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:59:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Dale Bates Message-ID: Dale Bates a Triumph guy had a shop north of Santa Cruz California . Anyone know if he is still around? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 13:02:32 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:02:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Dale Bates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16C1660B-91F5-4CC2-B5A1-A45FDDC27FEF@comcast.net> Dale passed away 3 years ago. I bought my cars from him and later acquired most of his parts collection. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2021, at 10:59 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > Dale Bates a Triumph guy had a shop north of Santa Cruz California . Anyone know if he is still around? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 15 13:29:53 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:29:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 information available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5abfefc0-40cb-97fa-1e7b-b689305fca4a@bradakis.com> I am going to work hard at attending.? Not sure if I will be able to get enough time off work to drive up there, visit with some friends in the area, or if I will just fly in, watch the races then fly home.? I think the last time I was in Portland was for a VTR convention a hundred years or so ago. mjb. From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 15:33:47 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 22:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake Hardware - TR-3 to TR-6 References: <376626003.9969.1610750028388.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <376626003.9969.1610750028388@mail.yahoo.com> Folks, I admit it...? I am a pack rat.? I also make lists!? Sometimes I feel like the Ace hardware for miscellaneous small Triumph parts.? I have owned 29 Triumphs (TR-2 through TR-6) and parted out about 10 of them to support my 25 year racing habit.? Anyway, I have been cleaning & organizing my garage (which happens on rare occasions) and I always have to ask myself, "is this worth keeping or not".? I'm now throwing out a lot of stuff that I would have kept 25 years ago. "just in case I might need it".? And in fact, when I was racing and restoring old Triumphs, I used many of the parts I had kept.? I have now set up 2 boxes on my work bench, one for steel throw away, and one for aluminum throw away.? When they get full, I will make a trip to the scrap metal yard. Today I was going through one of my organizers that was filled with small brake parts, some fitting all models and years, for both front & rear brakes.? See the attached picture.? If anyone is interested in this stuff, contact me offline.? You don't need to explain what you intend to do with it.? All I ask is that you send me a check for what it costs me to ship. I also have a large number of good drain plugs as used for the sump, transmission (2), differential (2), and probably some other places.? I have about 30.? Attached is a picture of some of them (I found quite a few more after I took the picture).? They all have good square tops, used for installing and removing the plug with a Crescent wrench.? Whoops, No, just kidding.? Those which had been rounded off with a Crescent wrench or vice grips, I threw out.? These are what is left, no doubt installed by a qualified mechanic using a square wrench or socket. Same deal, if you want any or all of these, all I ask is that you send me a check for whatever it costs me to ship them. If I don't get any response in the next week or so, all of it goes in the steel throw away box and off to the scrap yard. Thanks for your few minutes of attention while I had some fun with this. Jack Wheeler(910) 687-0211 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-15-21 - Misc TR Brake Hardware.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 3051622 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Tim Cook From jaboruch at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 18:54:35 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 01:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shocks In-Reply-To: <72496DDE-1F04-479F-8D87-7FD9E70BF9B4@gmail.com> References: <72496DDE-1F04-479F-8D87-7FD9E70BF9B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <624934614.37386.1610762075222@mail.yahoo.com> Tim, it has been many years since I bought them, but I think it is the Koni 8212 or 8216 coilovers that I have at the rear of my TR3.? I suggest that you buy them from a race prep shop that can valve them correctly for the type of racing that you are doing.? I think I got them from Truechoice back then.? Joe B. On Friday, January 15, 2021, 07:57:59 PM EST, Tim Cook via Fot wrote: Hello All: Seeking advice for adjustable coil-over rear shocks for my TR8 racer under construction. Any strong favorites out there? I?m currently looking at 8212 Koni?s and QA1 DD series. Dimensions seem to work. Both mention Drag Racing. Right choice? Go! Thanks, Tim Cook _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 18:55:12 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 17:55:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! Chuck > On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! > > We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. > > I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! > > Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Jan 16 10:57:35 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 17:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Small treasures Message-ID: Yay! Found the GT6 racer's crankshaft in Dad's basement! Scott(B.) [Image] Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 11:48:25 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 18:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311989934.180585.1610822905582@mail.yahoo.com> All good recommendations Paul.? I store my paints and other flammable solvents in plastic storage bins in a small (3'x5'x5') shed outside.? That way they are not in the garage where they may be ignited or contribute to a fire if one occurred.? With the storage bins, there is containment, should one of the containers develop a leak. Make sure that battery switches on the race cars are kept off, when in the garage. If you have a battery powered winch in the trailer, be sure to have a battery disconnect switch or disconnect the battery all together, when not actively using the winch.?? Joe B. On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 01:32:28 PM EST, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Sat Jan 16 13:16:41 2021 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:16:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b501d6ec44$81571ef0$84055cd0$@charter.net> Paul, I have a good first aid kit in my shop. I don't have one, but an inexpensive eye wash station might be good to have depending on what you are doing. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Paul Ricco via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 12:31 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:34:36 2021 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:34:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! Jason On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. 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The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. And a phone to call for help. :) > On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Paul, > Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. > > The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. > > He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. > > I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. > > I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. > > > When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. > > Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! > > Jason > >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >> >> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >> >> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >> >> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >> >> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >> >> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >> >> Paul Ricco >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 17 05:13:52 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 07:13:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. > > Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. > > Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. > > The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. > > And a phone to call for help. :) > > > >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Paul, >> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >> >> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >> >> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >> >> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >> >> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >> >> >> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >> >> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >> >> Jason >> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>> FOT, >>> >>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>> >>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>> >>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>> >>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>> >>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>> >>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>> >>> Paul Ricco >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Jan 17 06:08:31 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> References: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> Message-ID: <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Good advice, all of it. > In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> >> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >> >> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >> >> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >> >> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >> >> And a phone to call for help. :) >> >> >> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Paul, >>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>> >>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>> >>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>> >>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>> >>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>> >>> >>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>> >>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>> >>> Jason >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>> >>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>> >>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>> >>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>> >>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>> >>>> Paul Ricco >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 17 06:28:11 2021 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:28:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> References: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> Message-ID: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM To: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. And a phone to call for help. :) On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul, Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! Jason On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 07:28:45 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:28:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > From: Rick McCurdy via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > To: Phil Gott > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Good advice, all of it. >> In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >>> >>> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >>> >>> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >>> >>> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >>> >>> And a phone to call for help. :) >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Paul, >>>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>>> >>>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>>> >>>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>>> >>>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>>> >>>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>>> >>>> >>>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>>> >>>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT, >>>>> >>>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>>> >>>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>>> >>>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>>> >>>>> Paul Ricco >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sun Jan 17 08:06:45 2021 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> For deep cuts super glue is the best! Rick Parent "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:29:39 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 08:35:26 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 10:35:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: nice quote Rick "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences*" On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 10:18 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > For deep cuts super glue is the best! > > Rick Parent > > "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of > consequences*" > > > > On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:29:39 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place > by electrical tape is the shop solution. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself > with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things > maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > *From:* Rick McCurdy via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > *To:* Phil Gott > *Cc:* Friends Of Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I > always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop > something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. > (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror > save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, > suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down > the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, > sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to > grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Good advice, all of it. > In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 > gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for > dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a > hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside > my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. > > Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are > some of the most common causes of liability claims. > > Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from > taking them off to see better. > > The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. > > And a phone to call for help. :) > > > > On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Paul, > Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected > and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher > and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. > > The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type > fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while > you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. > > He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock > down small flare ups. > > I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work > has cooled completely. > > I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. > > > When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if > possible. > > Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! > > Jason > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: > > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that > could have sparks > 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide > monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) > > Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I > though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work > areas. > > Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful > for shop area/garage safety? > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 08:43:32 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 07:43:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C2F8015-A8BB-44CE-9358-6397AB5146F6@gmail.com> I always stock these in my shop and house. > Amazon.com : Splinter Out Splinter Remover 20/Box - 5 Pack : Beauty > > https://www.amazon.com/Splinter-Out-Remover-20-box/dp/B00P85T2S8 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 08:56:42 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 15:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys, been reading this thread on fire suppression. I have decades of experience in loss control and with OSHA, NFPA and other government regs. Interesting reads if you're having trouble sleeping. Requirements for this equipment can be found in OHSA 1910.157 and a fair number of NFPA standards which are referenced in OSHA standards therefore enforceable. First, using water as an extinguishing agent around any welding equipment is ill advised. Welders and other machine tools require lots of electricity, particularly if you have 220/3 phase or higher power. Water for quenching is one thing but for fires around electrical circuits is something else. If you don't want to expose your equipment to chemicals or water fire blankets will work for small incipient stage fires. All fire extinguishers should be Class ABC and placed at either 50 ft or 70ft depending on the function of the business. With welding it will most likely be 50 ft. If you are working with magnesium then a Class D extinguisher is required. Size is not specified but for industrial 5 lb is the norm for portable extinguishers. Inspection of fire extinguishers is multi level. Every month the employer must document the inspection of the extinguisher to insure the and extinguisher is stored in it's designated place, there is no damage or missing parts, and pressure is adequate or in the "green". Each year the extinguisher must be inspected by a certified technician for a variety of items but mostly for weight and certification of the extinguisher. First aid kits are not a regulatory requirement unless you are more than a certain time away from medical assistance (clinic or EMT) but are always a great idea. Make up your own kit rather than purchase kits that have items you will never use and are generally short on high use items. Super glue and terri/steri strips are a good item to include for small cuts. Knuckle and finger tip band aids are good to have as well. One of the interesting things about government regs is they frequently contradict themselves or are confusing. As for fire extinguishers 1910.157 requires fire extinguishers but also prohibit any one who is not trained annually from using an extinguisher. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Past employers generally billed me out at $300/hr but FOT people get a huge discount. On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 9:29:53 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 09:30:46 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:30:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For anyone with a shop that may get fire safety inspections, I highly recommend that you go overboard with fire extinguishers. If two are required, buy four or five. Definitely get the right types based on the potential hazards in each space. Overkill. Mount properly to local codes with proper signage. 1. You can?t have too many extinguishers. 2. If your inspector finds an inadvertent code violation, whether it be an oversight on your part or that of some employee, etc., his/her enforcement measures may be profoundly affected by his/her impression of your overall safety efforts. Nothing impresses a fire marshal more than up-to-date, well placed, adequate fire extinguishers! It can make the difference between getting shut down, the invitation of other inspectors for permit/code violations, a huge fine, a formal written warning, or just getting a friendly heads up. Those extra extinguishers and their subsequent service, may have just paid for themselves. And in a fire, they may pay for themselves many times over. Over the decades, in various shops and stages I have worked at, I have seen many a fire inspection. It was always some real in-your-face stupid violation by management that wasn?t on the ball about fire safety, that got a marshal riled up and on a rampage. In my shop, I bought bigger, better, and more, than required by code. And I took the time to properly hang them to code. And I bought a huge commercial first aid kit and mounted it in clear sight. It?s overkill because it?s the right thing to do and it?s the smart thing to do. From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Jan 17 09:31:15 2021 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 16:31:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BLACKLINE LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What?s your application? Car ? The ? torson? design in the standard Quaife is good for low HP cars but inadequate for higher Hp cars . 3D brand clutch style is my go to ! Regards T Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: ? Amici Can anyone enlighten me on the Chinese knock off quaife LSD called Blackline? it is for all intended purposes identical to the quaife but price. I've just stumbled across one for sale brand new and wanted some input as to quality. Anyone can make a copy with a CNC but it comes down to the materials used in the construction My morals are fighting with my wallet on this and I was hoping someone has used this LSD for good or bad. Thanks in advance -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 17 09:55:45 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question and related... In-Reply-To: <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <639429130.1485903.1610902545529@mail.yahoo.com> Another point that should be mentioned re fire bottles, never, ever, trust a fire bottle w/a plastic neck.Like the wally-world 2 1/2 pounders; I don't know if they're still on the market, they're junk, unless much improved.They have a history of failure to go poof, while reading in the green.I had one real-world failure & there have been many reports of the same. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann via Fot To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Bob Kramer Cc: Friends Of Triumph Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2021 10:56 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question Hey guys, been reading this thread on fire suppression. I have decades of experience in loss control and with OSHA, NFPA and other government regs. Interesting reads if you're having trouble sleeping. Requirements for this equipment can be found in OHSA 1910.157 and a fair number of NFPA standards which are referenced in OSHA standards therefore enforceable. First, using water as an extinguishing agent around any welding equipment is ill advised. Welders and other machine tools require lots of electricity, particularly if you have 220/3 phase or higher power. Water for quenching is one thing but for fires around electrical circuits is something else. If you don't want to expose your equipment to chemicals or water fire blankets will work for small incipient stage fires. All fire extinguishers should be Class ABC and placed at either 50 ft or 70ft depending on the function of the business. With welding it will most likely be 50 ft. If you are working with magnesium then a Class D extinguisher is required. Size is not specified but for industrial 5 lb is the norm for portable extinguishers. Inspection of fire extinguishers is multi level. Every month the employer must document the inspection of the extinguisher to insure the and extinguisher is stored in it's designated place, there is no damage or missing parts, and pressure is adequate or in the "green". Each year the extinguisher must be inspected by a certified technician for a variety of items but mostly for weight and certification of the extinguisher. First aid kits are not a regulatory requirement unless you are more than a certain time away from medical assistance (clinic or EMT) but are always a great idea. Make up your own kit rather than purchase kits that have items you will never use and are generally short on high use items. Super glue and terri/steri strips are a good item to include for small cuts. Knuckle and finger tip band aids are good to have as well. One of the interesting things about government regs is they frequently contradict themselves or are confusing. As for fire extinguishers 1910.157 requires fire extinguishers but also prohibit any one who is not trained annually from using an extinguisher. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Past employers generally billed me out at $300/hr but FOT people get a huge discount. On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 9:29:53 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? 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URL: From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 09:59:52 2021 From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:59:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since it sounds like many of us on this list have the same issue with cutting themselves in the shop on some kind of rusty metal, may I suggest that the next time you see your doctor, make sure to get a tetanus shot. I'm due for one this year, so when I go in to see my PCP next month, I'll make sure to mention it to him. On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that > could have sparks > 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide > monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) > > Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I > though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work > areas. > > Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful > for shop area/garage safety? > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dbm.spitfire at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 10:37:19 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 09:37:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BLACKLINE LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D5E2839-262E-4884-A031-36D97B38B6D2@ponostyle.com> You beat me to it. In my experience Quaife LSD might be nice to have for some reason in a street car but is fundamentally useless for racing. Yes I?ve raced with one, no, I haven?t tried them again and I put the pointless one I had in the street TR3 I?m slowly building. The discussions here used to be Detroit locker vs. clutch style LSD, I?ve had both of these. If you don?t mind having the rear end do part of the driving, then lockers are fine, but I prefer to be nominally in charge. In short, there are cheaper alternatives, ranging from welding, to a quick hand on the handbrake, to Quaife, to weird little devices that are 80 percent fraud, but there is no substitute for an honest to god LSD. > On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: > > What?s your application? Car ? > > The ? torson? design in the standard Quaife is good for low HP cars but inadequate for higher Hp cars . > 3D brand clutch style is my go to ! > > Regards > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Amici >> Can anyone enlighten me on the Chinese knock off quaife LSD called Blackline? >> it is for all intended purposes identical to the quaife but price. >> I've just stumbled across one for sale brand new and wanted some input as to quality. >> Anyone can make a copy with a CNC but it comes down to the materials used in the construction >> My morals are fighting with my wallet on this and I was hoping someone has used this LSD for good or bad. >> Thanks in advance >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 12:35:03 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 14:35:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <7AC60E8F-B0CF-487C-A6DA-28D675833E9C@yahoo.com> Something that most first aid kits don?t have as a product called Quick Clot. This is used by military and first responders to help control severe bleeding. It is also at most beaches on Cape Cod, since white sharks appear in numbers each summer and fall. I carry it in my boat, since if fishing miles offshore it will take time for medical help to arrive in the event of a severe bleed. Quick clot is a protein and has a shelf life, so pay attention to expiration dates. Joe B Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > From: Rick McCurdy via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > To: Phil Gott > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Good advice, all of it. >> In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >>> >>> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >>> >>> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >>> >>> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >>> >>> And a phone to call for help. :) >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Paul, >>>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>>> >>>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>>> >>>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>>> >>>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>>> >>>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>>> >>>> >>>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>>> >>>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT, >>>>> >>>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>>> >>>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>>> >>>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>>> >>>>> Paul Ricco >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > > ? > I am looking for new liners and possibly pistons for my TR4. Hoping to get recommendations for a couple of sources > > While doing my engine rebuild, I found that the top piston rings on all 4 cylinders where broken into little pieces and scored the liners walls pretty bad. > > I have 89mm liners > > > Thanks, Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 > 814-323-0698 > mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 17 18:44:50 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 20:44:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car safety Message-ID: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. What?s considered most effective? Sent from my iPhone From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 19:18:06 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 21:18:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car safety In-Reply-To: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> References: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, this subject came up the other day on the HRG news group. This system was suggested as a replacement by one of our members. NFI, I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. mike h On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in > my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the > market these days. What?s considered most effective? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 20:26:41 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 19:26:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Car safety In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, I chose an aqueous foam system as my research indicated it was more effective in open cars. I have a 4 lb SPA Technique system with four nozzles and 3 actuators. Nozzles are pointed at either side of the engine, the fuel pump and cell in the boot and at me in the cockpit. Of course, YMMV... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Scott, this subject came up the other day on the HRG news group. This system was suggested as a replacement by one of our members. NFI, > > I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 > > I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. > > mike h > >> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. 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URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sun Jan 17 22:18:01 2021 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 21:18:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer From keithfiles at btinternet.com Mon Jan 18 00:02:16 2021 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:02:16 +0400 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <2E9F4403-335C-4B29-BA7B-48F13C8C6FDD@btinternet.com> This is so sad. I met Bill many times over the years and considered him a friend. He was funny, approachable and always, always, welcoming. If he could he would, if had something to share he did. I have lovely memories of dinner in one of the Wisconsin clubs with him and many other race drivers, he was a special man and will always be in my heart. Farewell Bill, dear friend. > On 18 Jan 2021, at 09:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 18 04:08:50 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:08:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <001c01d6ed8a$4d7a0380$e86e0a80$@gmail.com> Oh, this is sad news. Sorry to hear this. Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Steven Belfer via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2021 06:18 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Jan 18 04:28:38 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:28:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Jan 18 04:31:42 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:31:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Hi all I?m so very sorry to here this. If you can Steve please pass on my best wishes. Regards Tony Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2021, at 05:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: ?Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 18 04:36:00 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <936e128812a11558bf8e78596cb33a2a@tr4racer.com> When I started racing 20 years ago, I met Bill and the rest of the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. These guys embodied the spirit of Vintage Racing, from their approach to the on-track activities to their approach to their famous Wine and Cheese parties. When it was time for him to hang up the helmet for the last time, he passed the reins to Old Blue to me. After every event I ran with the old TR3 we would exchange email, he was quite happy to see the car running well. Boy, I am going to miss those exchanges. I can only hope he and Wismer are planning their next epic race weekend as we speak... Henry On 2021-01-18 00:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our > dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, > funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn > good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 04:46:23 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: May he rest in peace! Beady Eye Racing Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear > friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. 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John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From paulricco at att.net Mon Jan 18 05:46:14 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:46:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <045297BC-C89D-4F58-B761-17525F55EE46@att.net> We are very sorry to hear of Bill?s passing. We met Bill while buying Bob Wismer?s TR4, we became friends and kept in touch with Bill. We will miss our phone calls, email exchanges and visits with Bill. Paul Ricco and Emily Ricco > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > May he rest in peace! > > Beady Eye Racing > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot > wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NFI, >> >> I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 >> >> I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. >> >> mike h >> >>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. What?s considered most effective? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 06:22:51 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <428189625.465050.1610976171462@mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Thinking of Bill today. From one Navy man to another "Fair winds and following seas". V/r, M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:18 am Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 06:22:51 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <428189625.465050.1610976171462@mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Thinking of Bill today. From one Navy man to another "Fair winds and following seas". V/r, M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:18 am Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 07:29:47 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> Wow this is sad news, he was one class-act, a true gentleman...RIP Bill, we're gonna miss you, you may be gone but we have the memories, all good. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Steven Belfer ; FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 6:28 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken.? Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center.? He is one of the funniest people I have ever known.? It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:40:01 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the floor phones and call us for help. Not the best solution but something she'll use. So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or call anyone) hands free. mike h On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: > Lots of good advice! > > On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a > welding > helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. > > On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where > the > nail has been! > > And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do > if > injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so carry > a > mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled > elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the > call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:48:45 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:48:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Very sad, he was a great guy. After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races. He was always fun to have around. Chuck > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:49:01 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:49:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: This is truly sad news. Bill was a treasure. I first met him at Blackhawk when Joe invited me to come to the track while I was in Iowa for business. I met Bill, Jack and Tony that weekend as well. I fell in love with the panel truck haul vehicle and found out why the name "Friends of Triumph" was chosen. Bill was a friend to all. Bob Kramer On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear > friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, > and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car > driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 18 08:23:01 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:23:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86DE4478-ABDF-4086-A706-9C1E5E262099@wi.rr.com> Goodbye to an incredible human being. He will be greatly missed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:30 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > Wow this is sad news, he was one class-act, a true gentleman... > RIP Bill, we're gonna miss you, you may be gone but we have the memories, all good. > > Glen Efinger > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Steven Belfer ; FOT Triumph > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 6:28 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. > There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. > > Mike Jackson > -----Original Message----- > >From: Steven Belfer via Fot > >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM > >To: FOT Triumph > >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > >Dear Friends, > > > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > > > >~Steve Belfer > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 08:56:29 2021 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7B242CF9-A165-4126-81CD-2C1B932C3004@sbcglobal.net> RIP my friend. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4299714 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 08:56:29 2021 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7B242CF9-A165-4126-81CD-2C1B932C3004@sbcglobal.net> RIP my friend. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4299714 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 09:28:48 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (ehusmann53) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger References: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945.ref@email.android.com> Message-ID: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> Bill made the world a much better place.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Steven Belfer via Fot Date: 1/18/21 12:18 AM (GMT-05:00) To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends,I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away.Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver.Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news~Steve Belfer_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 09:34:48 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:34:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> References: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945.ref@email.android.com> <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> Message-ID: Fuck, fuck, fuck. That?s the only thing that seems to fit. I loved that guy. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:28 AM, ehusmann53 via Fot wrote: > > Bill made the world a much better place. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Steven Belfer via Fot > Date: 1/18/21 12:18 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Jan 18 09:47:37 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger References: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> You know -I?wonder?if his instructions ?were to plant him?face down so that everyone could kiss his ass goodby. ? He would do stuff like that. Always??the?joker that gentle man. ?Loved his humor and quirky,?unique?insight.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 18, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Very sad, he was a great guy.? After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races.? He was always fun to have around. Chuck > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Mon Jan 18 09:56:13 2021 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:56:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I'll second the suggestion for having your mobile about, though I'll admit to having had a cell phone on my person when I tore my achilles tendon in half working in the shop last Labor Day. However, the 10 on 10 pain kinda took over and I totally forgot it and hopped/limped/crawled to the house (after probably 5 minutes on the floor) to get the spouse because I didn't even think of it. She thought I was having The Big One for a few seconds until I managed to blurt out what had happened. Now, nearly 5 months later I'm walking normally, still in PT, and have a really nice scar to scare children with. ;) Bob On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:40 AM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They > work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on > (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two > cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, > cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a > couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's > fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the > floor phones and call us for help. > > Not the best solution but something she'll use. > > So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car > (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). > > I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for > music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to > the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or > call anyone) hands free. > > mike h > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Lots of good advice! >> >> On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a >> welding >> helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. >> >> On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where >> the >> nail has been! >> >> And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do >> if >> injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so >> carry a >> mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled >> elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the >> call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at icloud.com Mon Jan 18 10:06:29 2021 From: dconnitt at icloud.com (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:06:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Message-ID: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 10:21:09 2021 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <1487132464.678628.1610990469366@mail.yahoo.com> Feels like we're losing a lot of gentlemen and scholars lately, no one more of a gentleman and scholar than Bill and few with such a well-developed sense of humor. I let a few of our Midwestern Council and VSCDA friends know the sad news.Gary Schneider On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 11:18:29 PM CST, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:24:02 2021 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:24:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Gutted... I heard the news of Bill?s passing first thing this morning. I first met him in ?92 or ?93, at the VSCDA Road America Vintage Fall Festival. My first gig shooting for Victory Lane Magazine. After shooting in the rain all day, Bill saw me looking lost at the banquet on Saturday night... ?Hey Greg! You?re a Triumph guy... come sit here! I had found my tribe. I?ll miss you, Bill... thanks for everything... Greg Petrolati Sent from my iPhone From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Jan 18 10:31:27 2021 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:31:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question Message-ID: <007101d6edbf$c11a48b0$434eda10$@neb.rr.com> I used to work for Cargill. They work really hard at keeping their employees safe on the job, lots of training, daily reminders, etc. It got really tiring, but we all appreciated that we were expected to go home in as good of condition as we arrived. There are at least a couple things I took to heart that apply to this Shop Safety Question topic. Ear and Eye protection. Plain old acoustic earmuffs when you are working with loud equipment, or those simple foam or plastic ear plugs can make a big difference toward keeping your ears working well. A little damage at a time adds up. Eye safety is big too. Get proper safety glasses, wear them. Don't just carry them. Also - we were required to have eyewash stations all over the place. When a station was not located close to the work area, we carried an "Emergency Eyewash Bottle" to the spot. I'm not going to install a permanent eyewash station in my shop, but I did get an eyewash kit - something like this one; https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/safety/eyewash-stations-and-showers/perso nal-eyewash-bottles/pac-kit-32-oz-single-bottle-eyewash-station?infoParam.ca mpaignId=WR&msclkid=ed7a5c42095a18055d233c47c80a3f2e&utm_source=bing&utm_med ium=cpc&utm_campaign=%5BADL%5D%20%5BPLA%5D%20%5BSafety%20%26%20Security%5D%2 0%7BEyewash%20Stations%20%26%20Showers%7D%20(Good)%20-%20%5BHigh%20Priority% 20SKUs%5D&utm_term=4582695757775670&utm_content=Safety%20%26%20Security%20-% 20Eyewash%20Stations%20%26%20Showers%20-%20(Good)&adlclid=ed7a5c42095a18055d 233c47c80a3f2e At around $20, you can afford to get a few of them. Home, work shop, garage... Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 10:33:33 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains???There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want.It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand.A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite.Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think )Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars.Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt via Fot To: FOT Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:41:01 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:41:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78DF8C22-4CC0-4636-9B1B-7F12EE2096A8@gmail.com> Rebuilt shocks by World Wide Parts in WI. Long overdue on my long term TR3A. No more skitter. The two race cars Ambro & TR4 have tube shock conversions from RATCO. Works just fine. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains??? > There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want. > It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand. > A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite. > Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think ) > Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars. > Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... > > Glen Efinger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Connitt via Fot > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm > Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion > > Hi all, > I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. > The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. > Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. > I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. > Thanks in advance, > Dave Connitt > ?67 TR4A-IRS > > Sent from my iPhone > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 10:50:19 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:50:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> Well crap.? Bill was a great friend, we had many great times together at and around the track.? Going to Schwartz's Steak House by Road America with him was always a highlight.? So sad. Any word on how Shirley is doing? - Tony Drews On 1/17/2021 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:51:12 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:51:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <38573F8A-AE7A-42CC-8E54-AC04393E0399@ponostyle.com> This has been one hell of a good thread, so good I saved it all. I?m going to swipe all the ideas for my blog. I?ll post the link when I finish. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:56 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > I'll second the suggestion for having your mobile about, though I'll admit to having had a cell phone on my person when I tore my achilles tendon in half working in the shop last Labor Day. However, the 10 on 10 pain kinda took over and I totally forgot it and hopped/limped/crawled to the house (after probably 5 minutes on the floor) to get the spouse because I didn't even think of it. She thought I was having The Big One for a few seconds until I managed to blurt out what had happened. > > Now, nearly 5 months later I'm walking normally, still in PT, and have a really nice scar to scare children with. ;) > > Bob > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:40 AM Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the floor phones and call us for help. > > Not the best solution but something she'll use. > > So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). > > I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or call anyone) hands free. > > mike h > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > Lots of good advice! > > On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a welding > helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. > > On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where the > nail has been! > > And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do if > injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so carry a > mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled > elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the > call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:54:26 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:54:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. Bill was a joy to hang out with. I only did the Swartz?s thing once, but damn that was fun, as was about anything bill was involved with. It was so good to talk to him, what a guy. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Well crap. Bill was a great friend, we had many great times together at and around the track. Going to Schwartz's Steak House by Road America with him was always a highlight. So sad. > > Any word on how Shirley is doing? > > - Tony Drews > > On 1/17/2021 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> >> I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. >> >> Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. >> >> Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news >> >> >> ~Steve Belfer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 18 10:58:15 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 10:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news.? I certainly don't mind. mjb. From harveykinnard at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:01:33 2021 From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:01:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27908287-E0FA-4450-B266-5689C22C46C0@gmail.com> I remember racing with Bill at Elkhart Lake, Bill in his Light Blue Tr3 with its crazy eyed headlights back in the mid to late 80s. I was racing hard with my KC pal, Dick Carlson, in his Yellow Lotus Elite, I in my BRG Morg +4. Bill was just ahead of us. He must have dropped a wheel off at the fast right hander heading down the short straight to the left before the Carousel, as Bill?s rear end went one way, then the other, and finally all the way around ending up facing both Dick and I head on. Since we were all running about the same speed it seemed to be happening in slow motion. Dick went inside, left, I went right. Bill, dramatically, put his hands over his eyes. We cleared him by inches on on either side in the second or so it took to occur. We never lifted. There wasn?t time. There was little drama, except maybe looking back. I met Bill after that race for the first time. He came by to thank Dick and I for our ?heroic driving skills? and ?saving his life?, if not his underwear. It was all a bit tongue in cheek and served to introduced me to one of the most iconic personalities in our sport. I, like so many who knew you much better, will miss you and all you brought to the track. Harvey K. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?You know -I wonder if his instructions were to plant him face down so that everyone could kiss his ass goodby. He would do stuff like that. Always the joker that gentle man. Loved his humor and quirky, unique insight. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Monday, January 18, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Very sad, he was a great guy. After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races. He was always fun to have around. > > Chuck > > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Dear Friends, > > > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > > > > ~Steve Belfer > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 18 11:04:02 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:04:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com>, <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I figured that is why the censors let that one fly! Sad to hear about Bill. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 10:58 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news. I certainly don't mind. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From weredinger at cox.net Mon Jan 18 11:04:23 2021 From: weredinger at cox.net (BILL) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:04:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <936e128812a11558bf8e78596cb33a2a@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: We need to gather up from turn 5 Road America at Bob Wismer's memorial monument ( Bill's best prank on his best racing friend Bob, who was still alive at the time) for a good bye wine and cheese (Wisconsin only please) party for our old and dear friend BILL! We should be fittingly add his name to his creation.Henry, please bring Old Blue for the send off. (My contribution to Old Blue is the replacement frame that it now sits on.) As well as we need Beady Eye Racing Van and Trailer to facilitate the wine and cheese party for old times at the? VSCDA ELVF Races.GOD SPEED to BILLBill -------- Original message --------From: yellow04 via Fot Date: 1/18/21 10:41 AM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger When I started racing 20 years ago, I met Bill and the rest of the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. These guys embodied the spirit of Vintage Racing, from their approach to the on-track activities to their approach to their famous Wine and Cheese parties.When it was time for him to hang up the helmet for the last time, he passed the reins to Old Blue to me. After every event I ran with the old TR3 we would exchange email, he was quite happy to see the car running well. Boy, I am going to miss those exchanges.I can only hope he and Wismer are planning their next epic race weekend as we speak...HenryOn 2021-01-18 00:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote:> Dear Friends,> > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our> dear friend Bill has passed away.> > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest,> funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn> good race car driver.> > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:08:39 2021 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com>, <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I remember Bill from early VARA days. Always had that half smirk half smile, like he?s was having fun and you couldn?t stop him. He had exceptional staying power. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: >> Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. > > It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news. 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I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:22:33 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> Long ago we used a motorcycle front shock oil that was recommended. There are several other ideas, I am sure. Changing to MGB calving was another suggestion....a long time ago. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all of the responses to my question on tube shock conversions. I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. > I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:28:53 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:28:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I got my TR4A it had sat for decades. One of the rear shocks leaked badly and I decided to tear it down and have a look. It had stiffer versions of the little springs, if I recall they were blue instead of gold. I got curious and looked at a couple of other set of old "racing" lever shocks I had acquired and found that one racer had soldered the standard spring into a tighter coil, maybe with a little wasjer to stiffen the rebound a little. I only had one of those shocked so I copied that and made a pair. They worked just fine. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:34 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains??? > There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple > Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want. > It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a > high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it > by hand. > A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because > they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & > proportioning is almost infinite. > Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some > groups still have vintage rules (I think [image: Thinking face]) > Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I > don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars. > Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks > use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... > > Glen Efinger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Connitt via Fot > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm > Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion > > Hi all, > I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring > back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks > that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just > reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have > resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. > The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am > considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that > bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. > Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. > I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear > lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) > regarding handling improvement or not. > Thanks in advance, > Dave Connitt > ?67 TR4A-IRS > > Sent from my iPhone > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Mon Jan 18 12:14:34 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:14:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Devastating to say the least. I spoke to Bill before Mid Ohio Last year and learned of his diminished health. He definitely was going to miss being there. I can't say enough about him but he definitely was one of my valued acquaintances over the years. The fall out here is a genuine tribute to the man he was. He is definitely a loss to our community . Rest in Peace My good friend. -----------------------------------------From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com [1] > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [2] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [4] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://autox.team.net/archive [3] http://www.fot-racing.com [4] http://autox.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Mon Jan 18 12:21:59 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> References: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9EB1E3EC-9877-4439-A5C5-4110FE40CC62@fuse.net> To Marks point what viscosity oil is good for normal and ?stiff? operation? I can?t remember what I used in my shocks not I kind of think it was 20wt Harley Davidson front fork oil. Thanks Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?On 1/18/21 11:17 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> TI wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. > > > I am sure many here remember good old STP. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 12:34:40 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049149276.1913998.1610998480889@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am totally against switching from levers to telescoping shocks unless the upper shock mount is both connected to the lower frame (or roll cage, if you have one) AND has accomodation for upper and lower bump stops. Otherwise, you are wasting money and will wind up with body and / or frame problems. The lever type shock is actually better than tube shocks except other than modified levers, you can't adjust for conditions. That said, the Worldwide folks (nosimport.com) have a conversion with external adjustable valving. Not state of the art, but you can dial soft/firm as needed. The real problem here is that a lot of folks will add springs with no sense of what the rates are and a lot of times the handling issues are related to springs and shock not matched properly. Skittish on rough roads implies too firm, e.g. not enough compliance, but without knowing why there's a compliance issue, you're sort of shooting in the dark. I mean, you could be seeing a problem because you're driving on the bump stops... I switched to the Worlwide setup about 10 years ago and the difference in handling was night and day. Plus I can soften the car when it gets wet. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 12:07:08 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deruiterville at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 12:35:47 2021 From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:35:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. Rest in Peace Bill Randy [cid:3f148775-ca37-4b66-8ec4-e0b1cf9935af] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_8805 (Medium).JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 231784 bytes Desc: IMG_8805 (Medium).JPG URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 18 12:41:03 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:41:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recall that that handlebar setup also had a couple of buttons or levers on it labeled "oil slick" and "smoke screen" or similar. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Randy and Valerie DeRuiter via Fot Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 1:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. Rest in Peace Bill Randy [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6ED9F.8FE21630] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 231784 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 12:49:08 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:49:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz Message-ID: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 12:58:14 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <415486310.3033945.1610999894919@mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like it to me.? Schwartz's Supper Club, outside Elkhart Lake. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:12 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:01:08 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 13:03:05 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:03:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com>, <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok, just wondering thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: ? The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 13:05:07 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:05:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name (they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around the track), but it's a different place. Regards, Tony On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 13:30:58 2021 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:30:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com>, <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: New Holstein about 30 minutes from track. Out in farm land and not only great food but a real super club experience. Start in bar where they take your dinner order and allow you to drink until dinner is ready, then they seat you. I don?t miss every time I go home to race!!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:05 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: ? Ok, just wondering thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: ? The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:49:20 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <2090378397.3053458.1611002960754@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tony.? I remember it well.? When I was racing at Elkhart in the late 70's through the early 90's, we always went to Schwartz's for at least one meal.? Your description is very accurate, even 40+ years ago.? Thanks for the memories. Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 3:09:01 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name (they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around the track), but it's a different place. Regards, Tony On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:53:35 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> References: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <794735197.3046975.1611003215688@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I used STP in my TR-4A IRS lever type shocks from about 1975 until I found some real shock fluid that was about the same viscosity.? Never could tell the difference. Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:03:24 PM EST, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 1/18/21 11:17 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > TI wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. I am sure many here remember good old STP. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at compsnw.com Mon Jan 18 13:54:03 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:54:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice Message-ID: It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. Kindly, Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:54:38 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <2112251357.542498.1610991633206@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2112251357.542498.1610991633206@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <205124534.3055491.1611003278217@mail.yahoo.com> My thoughts expressed earlier on the subject..... I can only speak from my experience racing a 1967 TR-4A IRS for 25 years.? My car was very competitive, finishing top 6 at the Runoffs from 1987 to 1991, including a win in 1990. I used the stock lever arm shocks.? I did replace the shock fluid with heavier fluid and installed competition rear springs, which stiffened the suspension and lowered the car.? I used the stock control arms, but adjusted the mounting brackets to give me more positive camber.? And, I used nylon bushings to attach the control arms.? If you looked at my suspension, it looked stock, but ohhh did that car handle.? And I didn't even need a rear sway bar.? That's where I gained all of my advantage over the competition, as that big flat front end was not very aerodynamic and the car was pretty heavy, so I didn't streak down the straightaways. If it were me, I wouldn't waste the time & money on a tube shock conversion.? In fact, I bought an MGB a number of years ago, and the first thing I did was to remove the tube shocks a previous owner had added, and replace them with stock lever type shocks.? Spend the money on stiffer springs and heavier shock fluid.? And, solid bushings would help too. Good luck. Jack Wheeler On Monday, January 18, 2021, 12:07:40 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 14:11:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 21:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> References: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <298413981.3063672.1611004266167@mail.yahoo.com> I had a bottle of the old shock fluid I used in my race car in my garage.? I can't even remember where I got it.? I just went to? check on it and sure enough, it was still there.? Not enough left to do more than one shock, but it appeared to look the same as it did when I filled my shocks (about 1980).? Never changed it again. It looks like, and has a similar viscosity to molasses! Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 1:23:41 PM EST, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: Long ago we used a motorcycle front shock oil that was recommended. There are several other ideas, I am sure. Changing to MGB calving was another suggestion....a long time ago. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all of the responses to my question on tube shock conversions. I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. > I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:18:12 2021 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:18:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45decc49-3d64-62c7-a354-34660cae59ad@gmail.com> I have a web page that can provide you with some suggestions about where to start. The 40s are good for street cars, but for racing you might want to consider 45s http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm TeriAnn On 1/18/21 1:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com > > -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 18 14:41:43 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:41:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b0db872-3084-a65d-f61e-cccb9c206016@bradakis.com> My usual first response to questions about Weber carbs is that the main advantage of them is that they are infinitely adjustable.? The main disadvantage is that they are infinitely adjustable.? One can spend a lifetime and many many dollars on little brass bits trying to get them just right.? But if you do get them just right ... I thought I had the jetting specs for the carbs I had on The White Car, a '67 4A somewhere on my computer, haven't found them yet.? I imagine some of the more organized folks here can jump in with specific details on choke size and jetting.? 42s are the hot ticket as I recall, but good luck finding a pair of those! mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 15:20:43 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:20:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the Dyno to dial them in. From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle.? But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes would be of greater importance. I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there.? He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall power. I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build.? I suspect you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage.? If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator pumps I'm running. One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with the SU's. I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture.? Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons un-molten. Regards, Tony Drews On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 15:35:43 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 22:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <758815159.1956926.1611009343412@mail.yahoo.com> The valves used to be available in several different specs, yes I think the main difference is in the springs, and maybe port sizes, as I recall.I actually have a set stashed somewhere but I forgot where, which I may find someday by accident when I'm looking for something else that I forgot where I put... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer via Fot To: fubog1 Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion When I got my TR4A it had sat for decades.? One of the rear shocks leaked badly?and I decided to tear it down and have a look.? It had stiffer versions of the little springs, if I recall?they were blue instead of gold.? I got curious and looked at a couple of other set of old "racing" lever shocks I had acquired and found that one racer had soldered the standard spring into a tighter coil, maybe with a little wasjer to stiffen the rebound a? little.? I only had one of those shocked?so I copied that and made a pair. They worked just fine. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:34 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains???There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want.It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand.A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite.Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think )Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars.Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt via Fot To: FOT Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at icloud.com Mon Jan 18 16:07:43 2021 From: dconnitt at icloud.com (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question Message-ID: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. Regards, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 18 17:36:25 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? > > On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my >> 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and >> Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit >> (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might >> be so kind. >> From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 18:00:23 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:00:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Cheers Henry! I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. > >> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power >> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. >>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 18:11:13 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 01:11:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> , <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <415F8B52-9DF4-4AB2-8E82-1408585EC5D7@mhc-law.com> Yes Greg, but don?t mislead the unwashed that these are stock un modified SU?s... Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > ?Cheers Henry! > I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > >> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. >> >>>> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >>> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power >>> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. >>>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >>>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 18 18:49:34 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:49:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1235051342.10333.1611020974487@connect.xfinity.com> But have you tried CBD oil yet? It's the new cure-all, or so I've heard. I use ATF. Dave H. > On 01/18/2021 5:00 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Cheers Henry! > I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > > > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > > I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. > > > >> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > >> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > >> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. > >>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > >>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 18:58:26 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill was a great guy and a good friend, when I broke at road America he climbed on his golf cart and in minutes he had a fellow racer and welder lined up and we fixed the TR4 and finished the weekend. The wine and cheese at Gratton was always a really good time, We traded a Triumph cheese board for a set of Beady Eye wine glasses, they will raise a toast to him tonight. Godspeed my friend, you will be missed. Mike and Kathy Deweerd On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 2:41 PM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > I recall that that handlebar setup also had a couple of buttons or levers > on it labeled ?oil slick? and ?smoke screen? or similar. > > > > Scott (B.) > > > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *Randy and Valerie > DeRuiter via Fot > *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 1:36 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > > I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up > Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at > the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's > humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed > watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering > arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. > > > > Rest in Peace Bill > > > > Randy > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you believe one of them ordered fish? -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 3:05 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Schwartz > >Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna >which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of >nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad >dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name >(they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? >You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the >dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty >efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from >sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. > >https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ > >The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around >the track), but it's a different place. > >Regards, Tony > >On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 04:45:25 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. 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Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot To: Alec Buchan ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the Dyno to dial them in. From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle.? But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes would be of greater importance. I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there.? He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall power. I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build.? I suspect you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage.? If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator pumps I'm running. One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with the SU's. I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture.? Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons un-molten. Regards, Tony Drews On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Tue Jan 19 06:18:13 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:18:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. Best to all Tony Sent from my iPad On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. Regards, Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. Regards, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at compsnw.com Tue Jan 19 06:22:06 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 05:22:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <585452409.2061179.1611062254418@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> <585452409.2061179.1611062254418@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56969c18-fc13-3a18-83c6-527658cba1d3@compsnw.com> Yes Tony, thank you. Lots to digest. As far a 'look cool', there's nothing cooler than where you sit on the time sheet... On 1/19/2021 5:17 AM, fubog1 wrote: > Excellent write-up Tony! > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews via Fot > To: Alec Buchan ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 5:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice > > Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I > have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / > power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the > Dyno to dial them in. > > From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered > the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) > take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is > more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the > biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I > could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up > and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket > for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big > bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. > > What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting > the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small > air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I > probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. > > From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to > another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine > rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the > emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main > / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda > invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes > that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big > differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I > generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise > it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle. > But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes > would be of greater importance. > > I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture > control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's > and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there. > He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We > would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall > power. > > I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do > it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should > I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. > > Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good > well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. > > Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build. I suspect > you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage. > If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. > > Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about > 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive > box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator > pumps I'm running. > > One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting > the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with > the SU's. > > I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a > couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of > what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding > that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while > the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture. > Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they > need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air > correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big > enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the > main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons > un-molten. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > > be so kind. > > > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > > > Kindly, > > > > Alec Buchan > > Bellingham, WA > > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The first time I started hearing a clunk in the back and when I removed the passenger side rear wheel I found that one shock bolt was gone and the other one was hanging on with about 2 threads left. I had used the original bolts and flat washers to attach the shocks. I bought new grade 8 bolts and split lock washers. The second time, I switched out the split lock washers for internal tooth lock washers and put red Locktite on the bolt threads and they seem to be holding. One other thing is that after I sand blasted the frame I welded in one of the TSI IRS differential frame gusset strengthening kits and also the front lower control arm gusset bracket kits. I can?t explain why the passenger side rear shock bolts would come loose but the Locktite and internal tooth lock washers seem to be holding. Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi all > > There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. > > Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. > > It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. > > Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. > > Best to all > > Tony > > Sent from my iPad > > On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. > > I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > > Say, > I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. > This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. > Now we just need some decent temperatures.. > Regards, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot > >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph > >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill was on that Driver's committee (or whatever it was called) at the time, so when he asked for the mic, didn't think twice about it. I hand it to him and he proceeds to announce to everyone how they were giving out free breast exams in his paddock... He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > > [1]http://www.fot-racing.com [2] > >Donate: [3]http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] /> >Archive: [5]http://autox.team.net/archive [6] [7]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: [9]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net [10] /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11]http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: [13]http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] /> Archive: [15]http://autox.team.net/archive [16] [17]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] /> Unsubscribe/Manage: [19]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com [20] /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://www.fot-racing.com [3] http://www.team.net/donate.html%3Cbr [4] http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] http://autox.team.net/archive [6] http://autox.team.net/archive [7] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot%3Cbr [8] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [9] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net%3Cbr [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net [11] http://www.fot-racing.com [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html%3Cbr [14] http://www.team.net/donate.html [15] http://autox.team.net/archive [16] http://autox.team.net/archive [17] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot%3Cbr [18] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [19] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com%3Cbr [20] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 19 07:47:42 2021 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> And who could forget the poster on display in their paddock; ?Just say no to crack!? showing a southern hemisphere of Bob Wismer. The handlebars in Old Blue; Wine and cheese parties; lots of good sportsmanship and great racing will be remembered for a long time. Always served up with copious amounts of humor. Russ From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of T. R. Householder via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 9:29 AM To: 'Barr, Scott' Cc: 'Amici Triumphi' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Mid Ohio I remember standing watching the races at one of the commemoratives and Bill 180'd in the top of the Esses definitely an undergarment change moment .. for me and him. ----------------------------------------- From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" To: "Amici Triumphi" Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 9:22:15AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger One last story. This from Chris McNicol, one of the stewards of Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs, which often provides race staff services for VSCDA, two of Bill?s ?home? clubs: ?Terrible news. Bill was one of many characters that roamed the paddocks over the years. I will never forget stewarding at the VSCDA event a million years ago and I was out in the pavilion with Mr. Microphone probably waiting to make first call after lunch. Bill was on that Driver's committee (or whatever it was called) at the time, so when he asked for the mic, didn't think twice about it. I hand it to him and he proceeds to announce to everyone how they were giving out free breast exams in his paddock... He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Tue Jan 19 08:24:12 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:24:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <262B7EA7-D95F-446A-B139-15F2FBDA7C60@mi.rr.com> I have no intention of hijacking this thread, but have a rear shock damper link spherical bearing kit that I purchased from Revington TR (part no. RTR3392K for information and photo) and never used as I decided to go with a tube shock conversion using RATCO?s kit and Spax units with ?X? bracing between the shock mounting brackets. The kit is for TR2-4. If someone wants to beef up their lever shocks I would sell for $225. Also have a set of Apple Hydraulics uprated lever shocks that I never installed as well if anyone is interested please contact me off list. On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Tony and Bob, Thanks for the additional information on the links and shock oil viscosity. I will be taking a closer look at those links. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 19 09:00:01 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:00:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I set up my Bugeye way back when, the SCCA boys told me to use motorcycle shock oil which was heavier and wouldn?t damage the shock seals. I also unsoldered the valve end and turned it in several times (don?t remember the exact number) and then re-soldered it. Worked well for auto cross. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:14 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Tony and Bob, > Thanks for the additional information on the links and shock oil viscosity. I will be taking a closer look at those links. Regarding the shock oil, I have found I can buy motorcycle fork oil in 10wt, 15wt and 20wt on Amazon. I can?t honestly remember what I put in mine when I restored them but I do remember saving the bottle as I didn?t use it all. Another reason to straighten up the garage! > I also wanted to mention that I had a interesting issue in the past years of driving the car when the bolts holding the passenger side rear shock backed out. The first time I started hearing a clunk in the back and when I removed the passenger side rear wheel I found that one shock bolt was gone and the other one was hanging on with about 2 threads left. I had used the original bolts and flat washers to attach the shocks. I bought new grade 8 bolts and split lock washers. The second time, I switched out the split lock washers for internal tooth lock washers and put red Locktite on the bolt threads and they seem to be holding. One other thing is that after I sand blasted the frame I welded in one of the TSI IRS differential frame gusset strengthening kits and also the front lower control arm gusset bracket kits. > I can?t explain why the passenger side rear shock bolts would come loose but the Locktite and internal tooth lock washers seem to be holding. > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? Hi all >> >> There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. >> >> Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. >> >> It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. >> >> Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. >> >> Best to all >> >> Tony >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. >> >> I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Say, >> I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. >> This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. >> Now we just need some decent temperatures.. >> Regards, >> Dave Connitt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 19 09:21:31 2021 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: I still get a kick out of Bill's comment from years ago. I was doing one of the FOT shirt gigs, might have been for the Road Atlanta race. Bill ordered some and commented about his wife wearing one would be like two cats fighting in a burlap bag. Will miss him. Marty Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jan 19 10:02:06 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:02:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> References: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> Message-ID: Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k Henry Frye From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jan 19 10:41:48 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:41:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] yet another Bill Dentinger story Message-ID: <1674002775.3131.1611078108687@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jan 19 11:09:57 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:09:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye Message-ID: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Great video Henry! And all wonderful races. We all live for weekends like that. I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key. You should label it in g's Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would >hear. And it was hysterical. > >Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he >was as excited as I was! > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > >Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 19 12:16:00 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:16:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Bill did a calendar with the Beady Eye Racer on it probably after Mid Ohio 92 . It still hangs in my office and I think about him often -----------------------------------------From: "yellow04 via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 12:04:08PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k /> Henry Frye _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com [1] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [2] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://autox.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 19 12:43:22 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:43:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Denting at Gratton Message-ID: https://www.mlive.com/autoracing/2010/08/veteran_bill_dentinger_looks_f.html -----------------------------------------From: "T. R. Householder via Fot" To: "yellow04" Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 2:16:32PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill did a calendar with the Beady Eye Racer on it probably after Mid Ohio 92 . It still hangs in my office and I think about him often ----------------------------------------- From: "yellow04 via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 12:04:08PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... 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URL: From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 12:49:27 2021 From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 14:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: WOW, what a shock. I am very sad to hear the news. Bill and the Beady Eye guys were my first acquaintances when I started vintage racing. They kind of adopted me at Grattan in 1993. I had just bought a ?race ready? TR3A that had a SVRA logbook so I thought I was perfectly legal for vintage racing. It wasn?t until a year of so later that Bill told me the fiberglass fenders on my car were NOT legal, but that I was so slow, no one cared! Lots of good weekends with the Beady Eye guys enjoying their companionship, good racing, and of course the after racing Wine/Cheese parties. Don Brick was a Wisconsin cheese guy so he always brought the best from his factory for us to sample. I got to know Bill & Shirley a little better when Bill asked me to market some of his cars for him. First class people, and Bill will be surely missed by the Triumph racing community. Glad that Henry is continuing the ?Old Blue? legacy and hope to have many great races again with Old Blue! Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 13:10:17 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 20:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye In-Reply-To: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1156508726.449960.1611087017663@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Henry.? Nice drive.? Your car is really handling well (which is saying something for a TR-3).? When I raced my TR-4A I had independent rear suspension, which I always felt gave me an advantage.? I don't know how you do it with the solid axle. Reminded me of watching Brian Fuerstenau in a TR-3 (#33) at Watkins Glen.? Would have been the summer of 1964, maybe '65.? He was in F Production while his teammate, Bob Tullius was in the #44 TR-4 in E Production.? Eventually the TR-3 got moved to EP and the TR-4 to DP, until the TR-6 came along.? When it couldn't keep up with the 240Z, they moved the TR-6 to DP and 2 years later the TR-4 to join the TR-3 in EP.? The first 2 years the TR-6 was in DP, it won the national championship, first with Group44, then with Paul Newman. Sorry about the history lesson.? Just reminiscing. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: yellow04 ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:11:06 PM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye Great video Henry!? And all wonderful races.? We all live for weekends like that. I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key.? You should label it in g's Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would >hear. And it was hysterical. > >Bill was a racer at heart.? The number of events that the Beady Eye >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he >was as excited as I was! > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > >Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 14:31:25 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:31:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye In-Reply-To: <1156508726.449960.1611087017663@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1156508726.449960.1611087017663@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack, Thanks for that bit of firsthand history from someone who was there! As a teenager in the 70s, my Dad would take me to Summit Point for the races and he would volunteer as a corner worker and signed me up to be a timer (stop watches in those days). My first official solo stint as a timer I was randomly assigned a Triumph (and some other car). I was stoked, since I was already a ?Triumph guy?, even though I wasn?t driving yet. Anyway, I got still more excited when I found out Paul Newman was the driver (that?s why I can?t remember the other car). After the pace lap and green flag Newman was up front & I was Very focused on not screwed up! After the first lap I was disappointed when Newman came into the pits, everyone was wondering what went wrong with the car. His guys/friends came out and pulled the beer cooler out from the cockpit and he charged back onto the track. Seems they left the cooler in the car from happy hour the night before. Anyway, he did make up the time and I believe was in the top 5 or so cars by race end. That?s when I got the bug to race...it just took another 40+ years to get there!! Terry > On Jan 19, 2021, at 15:10, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Henry. Nice drive. Your car is really handling well (which is saying something for a TR-3). When I raced my TR-4A I had independent rear suspension, which I always felt gave me an advantage. I don't know how you do it with the solid axle. > > Reminded me of watching Brian Fuerstenau in a TR-3 (#33) at Watkins Glen. Would have been the summer of 1964, maybe '65. He was in F Production while his teammate, Bob Tullius was in the #44 TR-4 in E Production. Eventually the TR-3 got moved to EP and the TR-4 to DP, until the TR-6 came along. When it couldn't keep up with the 240Z, they moved the TR-6 to DP and 2 years later the TR-4 to join the TR-3 in EP. The first 2 years the TR-6 was in DP, it won the national championship, first with Group44, then with Paul Newman. > > Sorry about the history lesson. Just reminiscing. > > Jack > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: yellow04 ; "fot at autox.team.net" > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:11:06 PM EST > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye > > Great video Henry! And all wonderful races. We all live for weekends like that. > I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key. You should label it in g's > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > >From: yellow04 via Fot > >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if > >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I > >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the > >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at > >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no > >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are > >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through > >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not > >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would > >hear. And it was hysterical. > > > >Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye > >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill > >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul > >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely > >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They > >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their > >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either > >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete > >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a > >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the > >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > > > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most > >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never > >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of > >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A > >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > > > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to > >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is > >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol > >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the > >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and > >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an > >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was > >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. > >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition > >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for > >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > > > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell > >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was > >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and > >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in > >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect > >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great > >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars > >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some > >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He > >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he > >was as excited as I was! > > > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, > >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > > > >Henry Frye > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Henry From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 17:03:02 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 19:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] steering rack question Message-ID: Hey Kids I need to look into my inner ball joint play in my steering rack (GT6). Tivy enlightened me this past October where my play is coming from, (yeah, after I replaced all bushings, ball joints and outer tie rods last winter, sheeeeet!) Anywise, studying the manual, they talk about a plug to be removed and replaced with a zerk, (this is where the steering shaft comes in) give a few pumps, take the zirk out and put the plug back...??? Why is this?, what would be the problem with leaving the zerk in? Brian's question of the day Cheers -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tivy enlightened me this past October where my play is coming from, (yeah, after I replaced all bushings, ball joints and outer tie rods last winter, sheeeeet!)Anywise, studying the manual, they talk about a plug to be removed and replaced with a zerk, (this is where the steering shaft comes in) give a few pumps, take the zirk out and put the plug back...??? Why is this?, what would be the problem with leaving the zerk in? Brian's question of the dayCheers --? Brian Schirano585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From vfracing at aol.com Fri Jan 22 12:24:41 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 19:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Parts Cars In-Reply-To: <1611342621.588rxqaf40k0c08k@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1611342621.588rxqaf40k0c08k@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <1472487319.2635298.1611343481908@mail.yahoo.com> Just so Chip doesn't get bombarded with distant inquiries, where is he located? Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: rjl6n--- via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2021 2:13 pm Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Parts Cars Hi folks, Some of you may remember Chip Bond, who raced a TR-4 with both vintage groups and the SCCA, taking his TR-4 to the Runoffs several times. Anyway, I met with him the other day, and he is cleaning up his barns and has several TR-4 parts cars that he would like move along to new owners.? I know that one has an O/D transmission, and there is at least one good high port head and manifold there as well as lots of other parts. Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of you may remember Chip Bond, who raced a TR-4 with both vintage groups and the SCCA, taking his TR-4 to the Runoffs several times. ? Anyway, I met with him the other day, and he is cleaning up his barns and has several TR-4 parts cars that he would like move along to new owners.? I know that one has an O/D transmission, and there is at least one good high port head and manifold there as well as lots of other parts. ? Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? ? -- Thanks, John ? rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 11:06:45 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question References: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that so far? I have 2 of these brackets and they are different.? It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.? I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change.? My question is which is which? It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. Jack Wheeler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walje at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 23 11:42:53 2021 From: walje at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Walje) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 12:42:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone know of one for sale? Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. Thanks in advance Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jan 23 12:17:09 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:17:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <51616436-2436-4BF4-933D-45E4A326F752@me.com> Dennis, I think I have one off my ?68 race car, but I have no idea as to the originality. I think pinion flanges on the diff vary somewhat with the gear ratio, too. If you can tell me the flange dimensions for both ends I?ll take a look. This one came out when I switched to a TR6 transmission. Also, any good driveshaft shop can easily make one up, to whatever specs you want. Should not be expensive. I don?t know these to be a point of failure though, so my guess is with new u joints a stock one should be fine. The items on either end of the shaft, however, are certainly over-stressed and fail with some degree of frequency, particularly a stock GT6 transmission (and don?t let anyone tell you their upgraded rebuild will prevent that!). On Jan 23, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone know of one for sale? Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. Thanks in advance Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 12:19:29 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <2de4b932fbad2781de7338d6eb99864c0ddcb258@webmail> References: <2de4b932fbad2781de7338d6eb99864c0ddcb258@webmail> Message-ID: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Tom.? I have the original transmissions from my TR-2 and TR-3 sitting in my garage.? I just measured the thickness of the flange and it is .360" on both.? I don't know what that converts to in millimeters.? I assume the early TR-4 was about the same, although the gearbox housing casting was different due to going to the fully synchronized transmission on the TR-4 (and some TR-3B's) As to my original question, I dug out my factory parts books for TR-2 - TR-6 to check the part numbers for the slave cylinder support bracket.? Unfortunately, my TR-2 parts book is for TR-2 through TR-3A, and while it shows 2 different part numbers, it doesn't tell when the change was made.? So, I think the TR-2 and some of the TR-3's used bracket part number 106701.? At some point during the TR-3 run, they changed to part number 128042.? Interesting enough that same part number appears in both the TR-4 and the TR-4A parts books.? Therefore, once they changed to 128042, they stayed with it for all the rest of the TR-4's and TR-4A's. The tr-6 bracket is completely different (it doesn't curve around the bell housing) and it is part number 136353. So, that's all I know.? If anyone knows when, during the TR-3 run they switched to the 128042 part number, I would like to know.? Also, if you have a bracket which you know is for a TR-4 or 4A, please check the measurement between the top holes, as explained in my original email below, and let me know the distance between them.Thanks. Jack On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 1:20:43 PM EST, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: I think you are correct about the TR4 or TR6 the flange on the TR6 bell housing is thicker. ?I'll check a TR2 / Doretti here in the garage but will be a while till I get to the storage area to check anything else? New Facebook with confirming early history? https://www.facebook.com/dorhouse1/ ----------------------------------------- From: "Jack Wheeler via Fot" To: "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Saturday January 23 2021 1:07:23PM Subject: [Fot] Question I have a question about thebracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? Thisbracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and issupported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracketand attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that sofar? I have 2 of these brackets andthey are different.? It looks like the difference is in thehole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locatethe slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.?I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4,although who knows when they made the change.? My question iswhich is which? It looks to me like the best wayto differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, thatis, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? Oneof my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart oncenter.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart oncenter. So does anyone have a bracketwhich is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for aTR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance betweenthe top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyonehas any information about when this was changed (and why), I wouldbe interested in that. Jack Wheeler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Sat Jan 23 12:46:30 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:46:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jack, .360? equals 3.29mm. Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Tom. I have the original transmissions from my TR-2 and TR-3 sitting in my garage. I just measured the thickness of the flange and it is .360" on both. I don't know what that converts to in millimeters. I assume the early TR-4 was about the same, although the gearbox housing casting was different due to going to the fully synchronized transmission on the TR-4 (and some TR-3B's) > > As to my original question, I dug out my factory parts books for TR-2 - TR-6 to check the part numbers for the slave cylinder support bracket. Unfortunately, my TR-2 parts book is for TR-2 through TR-3A, and while it shows 2 different part numbers, it doesn't tell when the change was made. So, I think the TR-2 and some of the TR-3's used bracket part number 106701. At some point during the TR-3 run, they changed to part number 128042. Interesting enough that same part number appears in both the TR-4 and the TR-4A parts books. Therefore, once they changed to 128042, they stayed with it for all the rest of the TR-4's and TR-4A's. > > The tr-6 bracket is completely different (it doesn't curve around the bell housing) and it is part number 136353. > > So, that's all I know. If anyone knows when, during the TR-3 run they switched to the 128042 part number, I would like to know. Also, if you have a bracket which you know is for a TR-4 or 4A, please check the measurement between the top holes, as explained in my original email below, and let me know the distance between them.Thanks. > > Jack > > On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 1:20:43 PM EST, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: > > > I think you are correct about the TR4 or TR6 the flange on the TR6 bell housing is thicker. I'll check a TR2 / Doretti here in the garage but will be a while till I get to the storage area to check anything else > > New Facebook with confirming early history > > https://www.facebook.com/dorhouse1/ > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Jack Wheeler via Fot" > To: "FOT Triumph" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 23 2021 1:07:23PM > Subject: [Fot] Question > > I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to. This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts. Got that so far? > > I have 2 of these brackets and they are different. It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape. One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other. I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change. My question is which is which? > > It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed. One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center. The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. > > So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4. If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:07:36 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Dennis, I bought one a few years ago for the 63 race car (new) from Rimmer Bros and it's worked out well. They have new GT6 propshafts, in both OD and non OD flavors in the $250 + shipping range (Varies with the exchange rate on a daily basis). Shipping will be a hit but if you need anything else get it at the same time and combine the shipping. Non OD version- https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-213150 mike h On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: > I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone > know of one for sale? > > Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? > > I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since > August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. > > Thanks in advance > > Dennis Walje > 68 GT6 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:44:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: if you want a used one, try Ben at British Auto Salvage here in my area (upstate NY). I just bought a GT6 motor from him a couple weeks ago to start work on a back up race motor. While I was there he had a crank crated up to send out to someone. Brian On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:43 PM Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: > I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone > know of one for sale? > > Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? > > I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since > August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. > > Thanks in advance > > Dennis Walje > 68 GT6 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:49:05 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:49:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: PS - RE the GT transmission, I have two and probably every other season they get switched and gone over, seems never the same thing twice when they're taken apart. Good synchroes seem harder to find On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 6:44 PM Brian Schirano wrote: > if you want a used one, try Ben at British Auto Salvage > here in my area (upstate NY). > I just bought a GT6 motor from him a couple weeks ago to start work on a > back up race motor. While I was there he had a crank crated up to send out > to someone. > > Brian > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:43 PM Dennis Walje via Fot > wrote: > >> I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone >> know of one for sale? >> >> Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? >> >> I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since >> August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Dennis Walje >> 68 GT6 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 17:41:09 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 00:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> References: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1300732691.683229.1611448869271@mail.yahoo.com> TR2s and early TR3s had, what I remember, to be a stumpier and bigger diameter slave cylinder.? The later 3s and on, had longer, smaller diameter aluminum slave cylinders.? That may be related to the different brackets.? Joe B. On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 01:07:46 PM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that so far? I have 2 of these brackets and they are different.? It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.? I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change.? My question is which is which? It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From steve at artwithcars.com Tue Jan 26 09:54:49 2021 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 08:54:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Message-ID: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. ~Steve From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 10:04:01 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:04:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Jan 26 10:07:48 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:07:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com>, Message-ID: My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 10:11:48 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:11:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I had conversations with both Macartney and Richardson on this long ago. No real explanation as I remember. But we know that car shows displayed rolling chassis in white. They may have gone down the assembly line later. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Henry A. Morrison wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Tue Jan 26 10:50:33 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:50:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com>, , Message-ID: Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 26 11:14:45 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 18:14:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Message-ID: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook [1] ------------------------- FROM: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot SENT: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM TO: Steven Belfer CC: FOT Triumph SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 26 11:39:27 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:39:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> References: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> Message-ID: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black > > Tom > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" > To: "Henry A. Morrison" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Hi all > > Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. > > Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. > > The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. > > Hope this is useful > Tony > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 12:08:36 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 19:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> Message-ID: <1426039850.265786.1611688116508@mail.yahoo.com> The one under my 57 is signal red.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body.?Dave H.? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black? Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam acrossthis she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I startedbuilding the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the recordsshow ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what thatreally meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, displaycar and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chromebits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and awhite rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics.Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitionsdepartment who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by anymeans) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into theTR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on whitechassis frames and still do today. Hope this is usefulTony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ?My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 whitecar is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander viaFot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question?Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because ofdisplay chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3frames ever come from the factory in colors other thanblack??? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From weredinger at cox.net Tue Jan 26 16:06:04 2021 From: weredinger at cox.net (BILL) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:06:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <1426039850.265786.1611688116508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have been researching this rare? event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black.?Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant??The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended.?I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch.It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history.All the Best,Bill RedingerVTR -------- Original message --------From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signal red.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body.?Dave H.?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black?Tom-----------------------------------------From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison"Cc: "FOT Triumph"Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PMSubject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AMTo: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question ? Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black??? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net_______________________________________________fot@autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. All the Best, Bill Redinger VTR -------- Original message -------- From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signal red. Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? 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URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 26 19:59:38 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 20:59:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <0262f2e14e6c9f0165e3aa23b08c23fb1fa159f8@webmail> References: <0262f2e14e6c9f0165e3aa23b08c23fb1fa159f8@webmail> Message-ID: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> Could be just excess paint crossed shared? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > ? > In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "BILL" > To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. > Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? > > The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. > > I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. > > It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. > > All the Best, > > Bill Redinger > VTR > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jim Shaw via Fot > Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > The one under my 57 is signal red. > Jim > > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > > I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. > Dave H. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black > > Tom > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" > To: "Henry A. Morrison" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Hi all > > Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. > > Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. > > The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. > > Hope this is useful > Tony > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > > > ~Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 09:57:58 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:57:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> References: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> Going to have to revise my original post. Upon closer examination of the 57 frame I do not see enough red paint to say it was all red. More rust dirt and nasty grease than red Will know more when the body comes off the frame. Original car unrestored. Jim Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > > ?Could be just excess paint crossed shared? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "BILL" >> To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" >> Cc: "FOT Triumph" >> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. >> Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? >> >> The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. >> >> I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. >> >> It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. >> >> All the Best, >> >> Bill Redinger >> VTR >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Jim Shaw via Fot >> Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye >> Cc: FOT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> The one under my 57 is signal red. >> Jim >> >> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. >> Dave H. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" >> To: "Henry A. Morrison" >> Cc: "FOT Triumph" >> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> Hi all >> >> Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. >> >> Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. >> >> The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. >> >> Hope this is useful >> Tony >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well............. >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM >> To: Steven Belfer >> Cc: FOT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> Essentially, that seems to be true. >> >> But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. >> >> I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racingcom >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 11:39:36 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> References: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <894066020.603713.1611772776400@mail.yahoo.com> Best pic of color right side of frame.jim On Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:03:50 PM EST, Jim Shaw via Fot wrote: Going to have to revise my original post. Upon closer examination of the 57 frame I do not see enough red paint to say it was all red. More rust dirt and nasty grease than red Will know more when the body comes off the frame. Original car unrestored.?Jim Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: ? Could be just excess paint crossed shared?? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ? In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? ----------------------------------------- From: "BILL" To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question I have been researching this rare? event were frames werepainted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. Ihave personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, HenryWebster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters tome, that all the frames were painted chassis black.?Over the years I have confirmed that there werevery rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint (Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented,now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added tothe list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part (the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One otherstrange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paintwere not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with PowderBlue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Notexactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up isunknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, asthe frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready forassembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembledand painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the sameassembly plant?? The above was documented from original owner cars,highly original cars that had fully documented history and originalcars that when separating the body from the frame for the firsttime, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouchedfrom the factory. If you are restoring a car in this categorydocument your findings for future reference is highlyrecommended.? I do not think that all of them came about becauseof show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars duringassembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time periodor batch. It did happen, how many, for what reason or why islost in history. All the Best, Bill RedingerVTR -------- Original message --------From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00)To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave HogyeCc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signalred.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye viaFot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recallone had a red body.?Dave H.? Sent from myiPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fotwrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines forTRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some werepositive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paintgun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it .predominately they were Black? Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam acrossthis she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I startedbuilding the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the recordsshow ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what thatreally meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, displaycar and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chromebits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and awhite rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics.Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitionsdepartment who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by anymeans) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into theTR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on whitechassis frames and still do today. Hope this is usefulTony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ?My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 whitecar is white as well............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question?Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because ofdisplay chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fotwrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3frames ever come from the factory in colors other thanblack??? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0676.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 79376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 11:55:09 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:55:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance Message-ID: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 12:20:31 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Horn resistance Message-ID: Does anyone know what I should expect to get as the coil resistance on a TR4A horn? One of my winter projects is to figure out why I am blowing the 20 amp horn fuse. My horns measured 0.8 ohms and if I use 13.8VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the 20 amp fuse. I should say that I have a Advanced AutoWire harness in tha car. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 12:26:46 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:26:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: Test message Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From 4msonset at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 13:50:05 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 12:50:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance In-Reply-To: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> References: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> Message-ID: Sounds like a short in the wiring that feeds through your steering column rather than the horns themselves, though I?m not sure about your ohms question. In my TR4A life, I?ve seen it be a problem in a couple cars. Just some odd ball short of the wiring. > On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 13:54:40 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:54:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B7E90CD-C11E-4CDA-A24D-EEDFA0C1EBF7@fuse.net> Well, I thought that too but I measured the coil resistance after disconnecting them from the rest of the circuit. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2021, at 3:50 PM, J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Sounds like a short in the wiring that feeds through your steering column rather than the horns themselves, though I?m not sure about your ohms question. In my TR4A life, I?ve seen it be a problem in a couple cars. Just some odd ball short of the wiring. > >> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. >> Thanks, >> Dave Connitt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> From kknight at klaenv.com Thu Jan 28 08:21:55 2021 From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:21:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part Message-ID: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> https://youtu.be/RvdD9RvbAzI We have all had to make a field or home repair of a tool or a part from a machine or our cars. This uses a product we all carry with us and with the addition of some modern fibers you can be up and running with no welding. This fellow has a very interesting channel and he makes and repairs a number of items of interest. Good watching on a cold winters day. Hope all are safe and good racing in 2021. Ken -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 08:44:23 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:44:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part In-Reply-To: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: <53CE9EE7-DE2C-4776-A47C-089956DEC5ED@gmail.com> I?d add that when he roughed it up for paint, he could have given it a second round of JB Weld without the fibers. A thin coat, as if applying Bondo, filling in divots, etc. When that dries, then he could sand it without damaging fibers, and the result would be a sexier finish that would be easier to keep clean. > On Jan 28, 2021, at 7:24 AM, kknight--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > https://youtu.be/RvdD9RvbAzI > > We have all had to make a field or home repair of a tool or a part from a machine or our cars. This uses a product we all carry with us and with the addition of some modern fibers you can be up and running with no welding. This fellow has a very interesting channel and he makes and repairs a number of items of interest. Good watching on a cold winters day. Hope all are safe and good racing in 2021. > > Ken > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 28 10:18:12 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:18:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part In-Reply-To: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: <9a96996c-2e8a-7248-268c-1d829e1eb9b4@bradakis.com> The carbon fiber took me back a few decades.? One of my climbing buddies in the Wasatch Mountain Club was a mechanical engineering gradual student at the U of U.? He'd tell stories about try to test this newfangled carbon fiber stuff, and all the old stress testing machines they had would break before the sample part being tested. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 29 12:33:18 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:33:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? Message-ID: I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? Or, do I need to find another block? Scott Janzen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Jan 29 13:53:51 2021 From: list at mackenzie.aero (list at mackenzie.aero) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:53:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat Message-ID: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ Anybody familiar with this car? Robert MacKenzie ?62 Spit Georgetown TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 14:02:43 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:02:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on BaT References: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> Shhhh?. If anyone really wants to see me in Portland, please just let my high bid stand. Thanks for you?re understanding... ? Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer aka Guzi66 Albuquerque NM From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 14:07:59 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:07:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on BaT In-Reply-To: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> References: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: The interior panels I made for Don and Bob in about 1993. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:03 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > ?Shhhh?. > If anyone really wants to see me in Portland, > please just let my high bid stand. > Thanks for you?re understanding... ? > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > aka Guzi66 > Albuquerque NM > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Jan 29 14:14:15 2021 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:14:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don Brick's former car. That car was raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' School in 1999. Don sold the TR4 to Jonathon Suhre a number of years ago, but I don't think Jonathon raced it more than once or twice. Jonathon's Dad Ken may have had it out a bit as well. Ken is a TRiumph guy with a really nice TR3, and he has vintage raced for many years in his Mini. Looking at the pics from 2018, Ken did a complete makeover of the car. Ken sold the TR4 on BAT in 2018. The link is in the first paragraph of the current BAT ad. I don't know if Ken is on the FOT list, but if anyone here is interested in this car, if you contact me I can put you in touch with Ken. Irv Korey On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot wrote: > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ > > Anybody familiar with this car? > > Robert MacKenzie > ?62 Spit > Georgetown TX > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jan 29 15:06:30 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:06:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I am familiar. As Irv states that's Don Brick's car, the third member of the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. I rode shotgun in that car for one lap at Grattan some 15+ years ago. It was my first time at the track, and VSCDA has/had a deal where they allowed lunchtime rides around the track. Probably for charity, I don't remember. What I do remember was Bill Dentinger, Bob Wismer and Don thought I needed some "instruction" on how to drive the track, so Don and I go out at lunchtime. We are in street clothes, no helmets, and all I have a lap belt. Well, we drive out of the pits and Don is on it, full chat. We are heading for turn one, and I realize Don is not slowing down, he's hard on the gas right up to the braking point. He calmly says "I like to be over here when I brake", and stabs the brakes, turns in, and we go sliding around turn one. I'm looking for things to hold on to but coming up short. We are coming up on another car, and I am thinking OK, the guy running lunchtime laps was adamant, parade laps, no passing, so I am thinking Don is going to fall in line... Wrong. Don just blows right by him and we continue blasting around the track with tires squealing on every corner, and a running commentary from Don on how he approaches the track. I seem to remember we got shown the black flag at start/finish the first time by, Don looks at me and says something like "I wonder what that was for?" Back in the pits I remember Don explaining to whoever was yelling at him that he never heard any of the rules about the lunchtime laps! Good fun... I hope the car finds a good home, even better if it comes back to our neck of the woods. The last time all three Beady Eye cars were together was 2017 at Blackhawk. On 2021-01-29 16:14, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don > Brick's former car. That car was > raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' > School in 1999. > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot > wrote: > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ >> >> Anybody familiar with this car? >> From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 16:55:43 2021 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 23:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1675169425.434871.1611964543069@mail.yahoo.com> Your information is correct Irv. When Jonathan bought it from Don, it was in bad need of TLC. He drove it as purchased once or maybe twice. It was not running well and leaked oil badly from the engine and transmission. It had low compression on a couple of cylinders so we pulled the engine and transmission at his home. But progress was slow then he got a job that moved him away from near me. I bought him out, then finished reconditioning the engine and resealing the transmission. I had all the battle scars smoothed out and painted a not very particular paint job. The brakes and fuel cell were replaced and I put the Panasport wheels and new Hoosier tires on. I raced it for the last time at the Kastner Cup at Blackhawk. At the time I also had two racing Minis so the TR 4 was sold to Najeb Kahn (sp?) on Bring a Trailer. It was recently sold at the RM Sotheby's Auction in Elkhart Indiana for $17,360 according to Classic Motorsport.? Ken Suhre On Friday, January 29, 2021, 03:15:40 PM CST, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don Brick's former car. That car wasraced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' School in 1999. Don sold the TR4 to Jonathon Suhre a number of years ago, but I don't think Jonathon raced it more than once or twice. Jonathon's Dad Ken may have had it out a bit as well. Ken is a TRiumph guy with a really nice TR3, and he has vintage raced formany years in his Mini. Looking at the pics from 2018, Ken did a complete makeover of the car. Ken sold the TR4 on BAT in 2018.The link is in the first paragraph of the current BAT ad. I don't know if Ken is on the FOT list, but if anyone here is interested in this car, if you contact me I can put you in touchwith Ken. Irv Korey On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot wrote: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ Anybody familiar with this car? 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URL: From cmstenquist at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 16:58:07 2021 From: cmstenquist at gmail.com (carl stenquist) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:58:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Earlier in the BaT listing there was a list of all of the owners and the time frame when they had possession. All of a sudden that was removed from the listing. Did anyone else see that? Carl On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 5:08 PM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > Yeah, I am familiar. As Irv states that's Don Brick's car, the third > member of the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. > > I rode shotgun in that car for one lap at Grattan some 15+ years ago. It > was my first time at the track, and VSCDA has/had a deal where they > allowed lunchtime rides around the track. Probably for charity, I don't > remember. What I do remember was Bill Dentinger, Bob Wismer and Don > thought I needed some "instruction" on how to drive the track, so Don > and I go out at lunchtime. We are in street clothes, no helmets, and all > I have a lap belt. Well, we drive out of the pits and Don is on it, full > chat. We are heading for turn one, and I realize Don is not slowing > down, he's hard on the gas right up to the braking point. He calmly > says "I like to be over here when I brake", and stabs the brakes, turns > in, and we go sliding around turn one. I'm looking for things to hold on > to but coming up short. We are coming up on another car, and I am > thinking OK, the guy running lunchtime laps was adamant, parade laps, no > passing, so I am thinking Don is going to fall in line... Wrong. Don > just blows right by him and we continue blasting around the track with > tires squealing on every corner, and a running commentary from Don on > how he approaches the track. I seem to remember we got shown the black > flag at start/finish the first time by, Don looks at me and says > something like "I wonder what that was for?" Back in the pits I remember > Don explaining to whoever was yelling at him that he never heard any of > the rules about the lunchtime laps! Good fun... > > I hope the car finds a good home, even better if it comes back to our > neck of the woods. The last time all three Beady Eye cars were together > was 2017 at Blackhawk. > > On 2021-01-29 16:14, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > > The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don > > Brick's former car. That car was > > raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' > > School in 1999. > > > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot > > wrote: > > > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ > >> > >> Anybody familiar with this car? > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Jan 29 17:05:51 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:05:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> Paeco Racing is closing and selling their inventory at 50%. They have blocks and heads for Triumph?s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > From bschirano1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 17:07:23 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:07:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The two GT6 blocks I've recently worked on have the notched bottom bores. I'd have to look Monday about the crank blow outs on the manifold side. I will defer to others with more knowledge as to GT/TR interchangeability, but my understanding is the differences were in the crank, pistons and intake manis, not the blocks Cheers Brian On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:34 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s > sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just > start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with > the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a > 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating > GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear > a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb > heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores > to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have > (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not > that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same > block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jan 29 17:57:31 2021 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> References: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <001b01d6f6a2$e39a6690$aacf33b0$@rr.com> Folks, If this is the same Paeco I'm thinking of it had a pretty poor reputation years back and the sale of race parts and "prepared" engines usually just once to customers. They at that time had a line of MG & TR products. I can say, if in fact this is the same outfit, be very sure of what you're buying. Last incident I heard of was a spridget that had one of their "hot" clutch/PP setups. At high rpm on track at The Glen the PP came apart and shot out the side of the bell housing missing her ankle by maybe 2". Miss Nardi was extremely fortunate. Russ -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Washatko via Fot Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 7:06 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? Paeco Racing is closing and selling their inventory at 50%. They have blocks and heads for Triumph?s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 29 19:11:31 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:11:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72C349A9-61D3-42C1-B1FF-84F55ADD42EA@me.com> I know the differences are the head (deeper head/thus larger combustion chamber on the TR6 to be proportionate to increased stroke and keep compression ratio reasonable. Rods are the same, crank is stroked to get to larger displacement, cylinders have the same bore, TR6 pistons have a ?higher? wrist pin height equal to the amount of the increased throw, as the rods are the same. On Jan 29, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Brian Schirano wrote: The two GT6 blocks I've recently worked on have the notched bottom bores. I'd have to look Monday about the crank blow outs on the manifold side. I will defer to others with more knowledge as to GT/TR interchangeability, but my understanding is the differences were in the crank, pistons and intake manis, not the blocks Cheers Brian On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:34 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? Or, do I need to find another block? Scott Janzen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 10:52:11 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:52:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Lug Nuts - Free References: <761108415.589238.1612104771087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A4C659D-C2C7-4E34-AC2E-F4953D27EEFA@gmail.com> This comes from one of our famous FOT. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: > From: Jack Wheeler > Date: January 31, 2021 at 8:53:08 AM CST > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: Fw: Lug Nuts - Free > > ? > Hi Joe. I've got a lot of old lug nuts I would like to give away. Below is an email I tried to send to the FOT list, but it bounced back (twice). I used the same email address for FOT that I have been using all along, and it has always worked before. Can you please forward my memo and the pictures to the FOT list? Also, do you see anything wrong with the email address I used? > > I am limited to about 5-6 photos per email, so I sent two more emails with additional photos. If you can forward my email, I will delete the photos from the main email and forward the additional photos in separate emails. > > Thanks, Joe. > > Jack > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Jack Wheeler > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021, 7:36:34 PM EST > Subject: Lug Nuts - Free > > Over my 25 years of racing, different cars, different wheels, etc. resulted in me having a rather large quantity of lug nuts, which I no longer need. They are as follows: > > . 21 lug nuts which came with a set of American Racing wheels on a race car I bought. The condition is rough, but they might be nice to have as spares. Thread is 1/2", shank diam = .685", shank length = .675". > > . 16 1/2" thread lug nuts. Very good condition. These nuts originally had domes on top, but when I went to a longer (3") stud, I had the tops cut off and ran the threads all the way through. Shank diam = .680", shank length = .750". > > . 8 12M 1.50 thread lug nuts with dome top. Shank diam = .680", shank Length = .750". > > . 7 1/2" thread lug nuts, tops cut off and threaded through. Good condition. Shank diam = .680", shank length = 1.20" > > . 6 Misc lug nuts. Three 7/16" thread with dome, shank diam = .680", length = 1.05". Three 1/2" thread, drilled & threaded through. Shank diam = .680", length 1 @ .450" & 2 @ .730". > > . 9 1/2" thread lug nuts, no top, threaded through. Shank Diam = .680", length = .800". > > . 20 specially made thick washers. See pictures. The ID is .695", and thickness is .180". Any interest? > > All of the above lug nuts come with washers. I tried to match the type of washers with the type of lug nuts they would have come with. These are all free for the asking. I only ask that you pay whatever it costs to ship. Any that are not claimed go the the scrap yard. Again, thanks for your help in cleaning out my garage (getting rid of stuff I no longer need). > > See attached pictures of the first 3 items listed above. 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Wheeler Date: January 31, 2021 at 8:53:08 AM CST To: Joe Alexander Subject: Fw: Lug Nuts - Free ? Hi Joe.? I've got a lot of old lug nuts I would like to give away.? Below is an email I tried to send to the FOT list, but it bounced back (twice).? I used the same email address for FOT that I have been using all along, and it has always worked before.? Can you please forward my memo and the pictures to the FOT list?? Also, do you see anything wrong with the email address I used? I am limited to about 5-6 photos per email, so I sent two more emails with additional photos.? If you can forward my email, I will delete the photos from the main email and forward the additional photos in separate emails. Thanks, Joe. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021, 7:36:34 PM ESTSubject: Lug Nuts - Free Over my 25 years of racing, different cars, different wheels, etc. resulted in me having a rather large quantity of lug nuts, which I no longer need.? They are as follows: .? 21 lug nuts which came with a set of American Racing wheels on a race car I bought.? The condition is rough, but they might be nice to have as spares.? Thread is 1/2", shank diam = .685", shank length = .675". .? 16 1/2" thread lug nuts.? Very good condition.? These nuts originally had domes on top, but when I went to a longer (3") stud, I had the tops cut off and ran the threads all the way through.? Shank diam = .680", shank length = .750". .? 8 12M 1.50 thread lug nuts with dome top.? Shank diam = .680", shank Length = .750". .? 7 1/2" thread lug nuts, tops cut off and threaded through.? Good condition.? Shank diam = .680", shank length = 1.20" .? 6 Misc lug nuts.? Three 7/16" thread with dome, shank diam = .680", length = 1.05".? Three 1/2" thread, drilled & threaded through.? Shank diam = .680", length 1 @ .450" & 2 @ .730". .? 9 1/2" thread lug nuts, no top, threaded through.?? Shank Diam = .680", length = .800". .? 20 specially made thick washers.? See pictures.? The ID is .695", and thickness is .180".? Any interest? All of the above lug nuts come with washers.? I tried to match the type of washers with the type of lug nuts they would have come with.? These are all free for the asking.? I only ask that you pay whatever it costs to ship.? Any that are not claimed go the the scrap yard.? Again, thanks for your help in cleaning out my garage (getting rid of stuff I no longer need). See attached pictures of the first 3 items listed above.? I will have to send subsequent emails with the rest of the pictures. 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URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 2 07:33:10 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2021 14:33:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team Message-ID: <09808d6dfcc8cb70991dd1ea5da0629eb0177eab@webmail> Austin Davis a NE Ohio dealer raced a TR3 at Cumberland and theGlen in 1956.He imported 3 cars direct from England I assume this is them -----------------------------------------From: "Ponostyle via Fot" To: "Jerry Van Vlack" Cc: "Friends Of Triumph" Sent: Friday January 1 2021 2:28:12PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team Reminds me of Sears Point before they did all the earthmoving. On Jan 1, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: Does anyone have an idea where this photo might have been taken? 1950?s American cars in the background. I recall the Cumberland, MD airport track had a hillside like this but I don?t recall it being as high. Connellsville, PA also had a hillside (I think). Who are Ed, Gene and Austin? JVV FROM: Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot SENT: Thursday, December 31, 2020 10:10 PM TO: Friends Of Triumph SUBJECT: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team Gene, Ed 91 years old and still with us, and Austin ------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [1]http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: [3]http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: [5]http://autox.team.net/archive [6] [7]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] Unsubscribe/Manage: [9]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [10] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11]http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: [13]http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] Archive: [15]http://autox.team.net/archive [16] [17]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] Unsubscribe/Manage: [19]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com [20] Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com/ [2] http://www.fot-racing.com [3] http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] http://autox.team.net/archive [6] http://autox.team.net/archive [7] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [9] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [11] http://www.fot-racing.com/ [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] http://www.team.net/donate.html [15] http://autox.team.net/archive [16] http://autox.team.net/archive [17] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [19] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com [20] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Sat Jan 2 08:56:45 2021 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 10:56:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team In-Reply-To: <09808d6dfcc8cb70991dd1ea5da0629eb0177eab@webmail> References: <09808d6dfcc8cb70991dd1ea5da0629eb0177eab@webmail> Message-ID: Cumberland, MD ? On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 9:34 AM T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > Austin Davis a NE Ohio dealer raced a TR3 at Cumberland and theGlen in > 1956. > He imported 3 cars direct from England I assume this is them > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Ponostyle via Fot" > To: "Jerry Van Vlack" > Cc: "Friends Of Triumph" > Sent: Friday January 1 2021 2:28:12PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service > Race Team > > Reminds me of Sears Point before they did all the earthmoving. > > On Jan 1, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea where this photo might have been taken? 1950?s > American cars in the background. I recall the Cumberland, MD airport track > had a hillside like this but I don?t recall it being as high. > Connellsville, PA also had a hillside (I think). Who are Ed, Gene and > Austin? > JVV > > *From:* Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2020 10:10 PM > *To:* Friends Of Triumph > *Subject:* [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service > Race Team > > > > Gene, Ed 91 years old and still with us, and Austin > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jan 3 13:42:34 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 20:42:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 Message-ID: Opinions please. What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block? 1969 Spit 1296. Significant surface rust. [Image] Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20210103_103532.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 979508 bytes Desc: 20210103_103532.jpg URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Sun Jan 3 14:51:12 2021 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 15:51:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500. I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson 1955 EP TR3 #72 > On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > ? > Opinions please. What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block? 1969 Spit 1296. Significant surface rust. > > > <20210103_103532.jpg> > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jan 3 15:57:35 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 22:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks! That's about what I thought. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: dustin nicholson Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:51:12 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500. I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson 1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? Opinions please. What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block? 1969 Spit 1296. 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URL: From damys at charter.net Mon Jan 4 06:01:26 2021 From: damys at charter.net (David Amys) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 07:01:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Email change Message-ID: <88759037-6502-4256-9CAF-EEAFAF1806A1@charter.net> Please change my address from damys at charter.net to damys0615 at gmail.com Thank you Dave Amys Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 09:31:52 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:31:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Message-ID: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 4 10:27:29 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:27:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Message-ID: Must be the season :-) Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Greg Blake via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 10:32 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From unv at psu.edu Mon Jan 4 10:39:05 2021 From: unv at psu.edu (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:39:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Message-ID: Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. I would like to continue with recognition of women who raced Triumphs. I am attaching two photos of Anne Palo Davis, Austin?s wife, at the 1st Annual Sports Car Races Akron October, 1954. [cid:e98004a8-fd90-4896-8675-6dc9d154444d] [cid:dd4c746e-098f-4622-b558-3b947bb0a2ed] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis Sports Car Races Akron Goodyear blimp hager in background.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 598825 bytes Desc: Anne Davis Sports Car Races Akron Goodyear blimp hager in background.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 840824 bytes Desc: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 10:44:45 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Message-ID: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 13:19:34 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:19:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> References: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: > > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> > From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 13:23:51 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:23:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com>, <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 13:43:28 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> References: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> Message-ID: That might pay the gas for you to get there and back....... Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:27 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > >> > >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 13:46:39 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:46:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <226141C0-97C7-448F-B91F-EC9699C31EAB@icloud.com> Not even in this case. I made a deal with Will(15), if he loads them, he gets the scrap value. Also gets him about an hour and a half of driving time on his permit. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > That might pay the gas for you to get there and back....... > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:27 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: >> > >> > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> >> >> >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 13:49:09 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 13:58:52 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:58:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> , <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:04:34 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 13:04:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> References: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <01E3D48B-7A54-42E8-8071-68A66030A663@gmail.com> If it was me, with a hoard of starters and generators, my list would probably be... 1. First offer to FOT. 2. See if there?s rebuilder in my area that might want them. Give them for free or maybe barter for one back ?restored?. (Depending on the quality of the units I?d be giving away!) 3. Put a free ad on Craigslist under ?car parts? and offer for free. No phone numbers, just email and an offer to give address where I would put them out. 4. Put curbside with note: Free for recycling. 5. Put in my recycling bin and let city pick it up! I?d run through the possible doors quickly so as to not lose the spring purge energy! I had a neighbor when I first bought my current home who?s hobby was to collect scrap metals in his free time. He said that for many years, he managed to collect and sell enough to pay his way to travel to France once a year! Subsequently, he became totally fluent in French. He?s no longer my neighbor. When he became disenchanted with his career employer, he moved to France! I miss him! (And it was handy to just walk across the street to give him my scrap!) > On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?$0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: >> >> ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>> >>> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:07:19 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:18:08 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:19:04 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 4 14:24:15 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:24:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So far, I have saved them in an ever-growing tangle of old belts. 22 years? worth at this point. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:18 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:28:25 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:28:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to. Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car. Cheers Mike Deweerd On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and >> heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and >> the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < >> fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes >> on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to >> the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it >> back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates >> that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake >> *Cc:* Fot >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to >> five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it >> might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless >> are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of >> old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build >> or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a >> dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Jan 4 14:30:17 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:30:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when you turn it on? Phil G Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot wrote: > > ? > You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 14:31:51 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:31:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: I still owe you for picking me up off I-40 that night. I'm not sure the car I was about to hop into was populated with Triumph enthusiasts! Henry Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Greg Hilyer Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:07 PM To: Henry A. Morrison Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:32:56 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> Message-ID: <732999522.4310656.1609795976100@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, It's the device that drips water on your right knee all winter long. (unless you're right-hand-drive) On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:30:25 PM CST, Phil Gott wrote: What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when you turn it on?Phil G Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot wrote: ? You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:33:11 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: whilst?on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets.CheersBrian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 14:35:33 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:35:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: Late at night I put my old belts in Jacobsen's car, and his new ones in mine! Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:28 PM To: Brian Schirano Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to. Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car. Cheers Mike Deweerd On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 14:43:47 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 15:43:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have supplied a couple generations of cub scouts with the coolest looking restraints for their soap box cars. The kids swear it makes their car faster. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > ? > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>> >>> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >>> >>> Henry Morrison >>> >>> Sent from Outlook >>> >>> >>> From: Erik Jacobsen >>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >>> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>> >>> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >>> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >>> >>> Jake >>> >>> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >>> >>> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >>> >>> Cheers, Henry Morrison >>> >>> Sent from Outlook >>> >>> >>> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >>> To: Greg Blake >>> Cc: Fot >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>> >>> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>> > >>> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>> > >>> > Greg >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:49:55 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248859285.3891480.1609796995450@mail.yahoo.com> Henry! Now you'll have more fodder since Karen has the same ones in her 6... On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:46:26 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: Late at night I put my old belts in Jacobsen's car, and his new ones in mine! Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:28 PM To: Brian Schirano Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to.?Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars?Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car.?Cheers?Mike Deweerd? On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: whilst?on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets.CheersBrian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ;fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jan 4 15:01:09 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:01:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe I?m just behind the curve and have not had a set expire lately, but I send them back to get re-webbed... > On Jan 4, 2021, at 16:56, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?We have supplied a couple generations of cub scouts with the coolest looking restraints for their soap box cars. The kids swear it makes their car faster. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. >> Cheers >> Brian >> >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >>> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! >>> Cheers, >>> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >>> Albuquerque NM >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >>>> >>>> Henry Morrison >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Erik Jacobsen >>>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >>>> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>>> >>>> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >>>> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >>>> >>>> Jake >>>> >>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >>>> >>>> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >>>> >>>> Cheers, Henry Morrison >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >>>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >>>> To: Greg Blake >>>> Cc: Fot >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>>> >>>> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>> > >>>> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>>> > >>>> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>>> > >>>> > Greg >>>> > >>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > fot at autox.team.net >>>> > >>>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> > >>>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 4 16:09:42 2021 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:09:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> Message-ID: <053820fb-b570-07a6-08a1-c56693038937@verizon.net> Hmmmm I thought a heater was a small handgun! As for old belts, I gave some to a young guy starting out in dirt tracking. He ran quite a few events and quit. Said "It gets expensive, doesn't it?"? Kid, you ain't seen nothing! Stay safe, Bill On 1/4/2021 4:30 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t > understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when > you turn it on? > Phil G > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers >> and heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> > wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers >> and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen > > >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake > >; fot at autox.team.net >> > >; Henry A. Morrison > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die >> hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via >> Fot > wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date >> codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them >> to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have >> made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of >> these with dates that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot > > on behalf of Joe via Fot >> > >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake > >> *Cc:* Fot > >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few >> to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them >> to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > > wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are >> useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list >> is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of >> these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. >> I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 >> stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 16:34:00 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:34:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> An idea I?ve been kicking around but haven?t got around to, is using old harnesses as ?over the tire? tie-downs for trailering. Maybe some type of turnbuckle for final chinching once they?re adjusted to fit. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Erik Jacobsen >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: Fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 16:54:48 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:54:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: RE re webbing - these are G-Force, they used to offer re webbing, the set I have were probably redone, but they aren't offering at least not at this time Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:37 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > An idea I?ve been kicking around but haven?t got around to, is using old > harnesses as ?over the tire? tie-downs for trailering. Maybe some type of > turnbuckle for final chinching once they?re adjusted to fit. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them > the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems > like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts > seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 4 19:01:28 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:01:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Hello! Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? Could you share your experiences? Thanks, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 19:20:14 2021 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 02:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing Spit on EBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <350334289.4374547.1609813214908@mail.yahoo.com> I got a copy of the receipt for the rebuild. Work was done by Melvin Automotive and the total price was around $1,500. Yes $1,500.?If anyone is interested, I can send it to you. ?Email me at vintage_british at yahoo.com.? It is listed on FB in Raleigh for $12K and he tells me his reserve price on eBay is less. ?Not the car for me unfortunately. ? Thx Ty Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, January 4, 2021, 10:43 AM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (Barr, Scott) ? 2. Re: 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (dustin nicholson) ? 3. Re: 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (Barr, Scott) ? 4. Email change (David Amys) ? 5. Shop cleaning (Greg Blake) ? 6. Re: Shop cleaning (Barr, Scott) ? 7. Women who raced Triumphs in the early days (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500.? I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson?1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. <20210103_103532.jpg> Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Thanks!? That's about what I thought. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: dustin nicholson Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:51:12 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969?I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500.? I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson?1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ?Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. <20210103_103532.jpg> Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Please change my address from damys at charter.net to damys0615 at gmail.com Thank you Dave Amys Sent from my iPhone Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone Must be the season? :-) Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Greg Blake via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 10:32 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com #yiv1881061199 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. I would like to continue with recognition of women who raced Triumphs. I am attaching two photos of Anne Palo Davis, Austin?s wife, at the 1st Annual Sports Car Races Akron October, 1954. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20210103_103532.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 979508 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis Sports Car Races Akron Goodyear blimp hager in background.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 598825 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 840824 bytes Desc: not available URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Jan 4 19:28:52 2021 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 12:28:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com> <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Message-ID: yes, on various race cars BUT, we always use temp analysis paint and decals to make sure we understand what peak tems we are seeing, where and how. On some slower tracks, in winter, the intake ducts get blocked off lest the discs run too cool terry On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:07 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Hello! > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > Could you share your experiences? > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Jan 4 19:28:17 2021 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 02:28:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com>, <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Message-ID: Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! My 2 cents T Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello! > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > Could you share your experiences? > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 19:39:48 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:39:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B67512-9521-46CF-B552-C841B33C7263@gmail.com> Kind of input I am looking for. Thank you, Tony & Terry. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:33 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > > ?Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. > > All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! > > Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? > > Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! > > My 2 cents > T > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Hello! >> >> Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> >> Could you share your experiences? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From unv at psu.edu Mon Jan 4 20:18:02 2021 From: unv at psu.edu (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 03:18:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure Message-ID: Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. 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URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue Jan 5 05:17:34 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 07:17:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDA4436-A85C-41EA-9D4C-CF791CEE9ACA@optonline.net> Amici Fun facts: 1. In the black and white photo- That?s my father behind DMM in my, now, TR3a 2. My father also ran a Corvair Stinger in Steel Cities Region. 1966-1968 3. He also was DMM driving instructor when she went to get her race license Those facts and $10.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks! Have a great day Todd 1958 TR3a TS 29341 > On Jan 4, 2021, at 10:23 PM, Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot wrote: > > ? > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 17tcook17 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 05:28:01 2021 From: 17tcook17 at gmail.com (timothy cook) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 07:28:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! [image: image.jpeg] Thanks! Tim On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. 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Same with brake fluid! > > Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? > > Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know > your facts !! > > My 2 cents > T > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Hello! > > > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > > > Could you share your experiences? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Alexander > > 4505 Donald Dr > > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > > The-vintage-racer.com > > Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 5 08:32:30 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:32:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! It?s a great list and the interaction is great. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Mike Granat wrote: > > ? > That is excellent advice and a good 'heads up'. Tony applied that methodology to the brakes on my +4 racer and the results were quite surprising. I guess we all assume that brakes always overheat... getting the brakes right is gratifying. > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 6:33 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: >> Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. >> >> All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! >> >> Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? >> >> Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! >> >> My 2 cents >> T >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello! >> > >> > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> > >> > Could you share your experiences? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > 4505 Donald Dr >> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> > The-vintage-racer.com >> > Gasketinnovations.com >> > Cell: 319.464.4711 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed?s cousin, Gene raced at the Glen in 1956 and 1957 and raced a Fraser-Nash in 1958 Ed Boyd Eichenlaub racing In 1956 - Right hand drive 1956 Triumph TR3 [cid:92138e8a-112c-47b9-9650-1376e86ecf8b] PennOhio SCC Old Smokey Hill Climb 1st SCCA Cumberland MD novice race 5th SCCA Dunkirk NY airport CSCC Put in Bay DNF SCCA Giants Despair Hill Climb SCCA Brynfan Tyddyn 5th SCCA Swickley Pa Hill Climb 3rd SCCA Akron airport Ohio 5th In 1957 - Ed raced a Porsche 1600 Super Coupe In 1958 - Ed raced a Porsche Carrera Speedster 1500 GS GT Ed then retired from racing Ed?s brother Jim is well known in sports car racing. He raced a Bandini in 1958 and an OSCA S187 in 1959 To all of you in FOT have the best year of racing and don?t forget to have fun. Be safe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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THERE ... | | | Ty On Monday, January 4, 2021, 12:00:14 PM MST, wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Shop cleaning (Joe) Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 14:40:06 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 13:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amici, One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to a full new harness. They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them > the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems > like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts > seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 15:36:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 17:36:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that Brad, I jumped on it and called them, only thing is they have to be Crowely belts, they don't do other peoples. Nevertheless good to find a source that still does this. Thanksagain Brian On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 4:40 PM Brad Eells wrote: > Amici, > > One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness > decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply > send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to > a full new harness. > > They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer > stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. > > http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > >> Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer >> them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. >> Seems like a shame, but what can you do. >> >> That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI >> belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with >> their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another >> one to a box with two other sets. >> Cheers >> Brian >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and >> heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and >> the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < >> fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes >> on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to >> the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it >> back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates >> that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake >> *Cc:* Fot >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to >> five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it >> might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless >> are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of >> old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build >> or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a >> dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> >> -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Basic measurements suggest it will work for me, but i need one in my hand to couple up with a prototype conrod ive 3D printed for testing yes, i know i can get custom forged ones made, and i might have to head that way, but i still want a sample to touch and feel and turn over inside an engine I'm hoping someone in the group might be able to help many thanks, and stay safe in such extraordinary times Terry Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 06:07:03 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:07:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Builder In-Reply-To: <196984042.4541223.1609876694492@mail.yahoo.com> References: <196984042.4541223.1609876694492@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ummm, no. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 11:31 PM T Thompson via Fot wrote: > I see racecar potential here! > > TRIUMPH TR4 PARTS CAR | eBay > > > $65.00 > TRIUMPH TR4 PARTS CAR | eBay > > IT HAS BEEN SITTING 10+ YEARS FOR SURE. THE BODY IS VERY BAD. THIS IS A > SOLID REAR VS IRS CAR. NO GAUGES. THERE ... > > > > > Ty > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 12:00:14 PM MST, > wrote: > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Shop cleaning (Joe) > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 08:24:30 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:24:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E1CE1A4-3388-428C-9DB6-EAD8BBF28265@ponostyle.com> It?s an often overlooked issue. I ran into the back of a Lotus in Peyote at the chicane entrance once on the first lap of a Portland Rose Cup race because my brakes were dead cold. the victim told me he always rode his brakes on the warmup lap to get the pads up to temperature?advice I considered silly until I tried it. I always assumed brakes worked best when cold?they do, after all, convert kinetic energy into heat. It would seem the deeper the reservoir the better they would work, and that?s true for the disk, but not the pads. It turns out that competition pads?those designed to handle higher temperature, don?t start conforming to the disk until they get hot enough regardless of how hard you stand on the pedal. They also initially off-gas a little, which might also reduce friction. Initially Peyote had some kludgy dryer-duct cooling which I think Tony tossed out the first time he worked on the car. I?ve never had the brakes fade, though I?ve certainly had brain fade fairly often. > On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:32 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > Yes! It?s a great list and the interaction is great. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Mike Granat wrote: >> >> ? >> That is excellent advice and a good 'heads up'. Tony applied that methodology to the brakes on my +4 racer and the results were quite surprising. I guess we all assume that brakes always overheat... getting the brakes right is gratifying. >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 6:33 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot > wrote: >> Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. >> >> All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! >> >> Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? >> >> Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! >> >> My 2 cents >> T >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello! >> > >> > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> > >> > Could you share your experiences? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > 4505 Donald Dr >> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> > The-vintage-racer.com >> > Gasketinnovations.com >> > Cell: 319.464.4711 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 08:34:42 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:34:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <283819819.209159.1609947282953@connect.xfinity.com> I have been using Crow belts and their rewebbing service has been excellent. Having to do this every two years, makes this an important asset to me and their business. They are inexpensive and you can make changes to whatever design or color they offer during the rewebbing. I changed to the narrow section of the shoulder belts to better fit the HANS device. Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 1:40 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > > Amici, > > One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to a full new harness. > > They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. > > http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. > > > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > > > Regards, > > Bob Lang > > > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > > Cheers > > Brian > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > > > Cheers, > > > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > > > Albuquerque NM > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > > > > > > > Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook http://aka.ms/weboutlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > > > > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > > > > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > > > > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > > > > > > > Jake > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > > > > > > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > > > > > > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook http://aka.ms/weboutlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > > > > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > > > > To: Greg Blake > > > > Cc: Fot > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > > > > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Schirano > > 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 08:45:44 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:45:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1537494971.209202.1609947945902@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks for sharing these photos. They sure are terrific. Tim, I like the mirrors on the car and the real meaty tires on those rims. Your dad had the car setup nice and your mom looks to be enjoying it. Very nice. Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: > > > Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! > > [image.jpeg] > > Thanks! > > Tim > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: > > > Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! > > [image.jpeg] > > Thanks! > > Tim > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill On 1/6/2021 10:50 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > I think Tim Suddard now owns the Mae Mims car. > Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: >> Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's >> school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! >> image.jpeg >> Thanks! >> >> Tim >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net > wrote: >> >> Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show >> Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage >> : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! [image.jpeg] Thanks! Tim On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. 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If anyone has a comparable pair of lap belts that are freshly out of date for racing, or a pair of unused comparable lap belts that went out of date sitting on a shelf I would be very interested in getting them. I just do not have the money to go out and purchase a new set. New or infrequently used expired belts would be much than what I have. Please let me know if you have two lap belts that you don't have a use for. Thanks TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 6 10:12:04 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:12:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Sounds like you should have your pick of colors. I can offer blue Pyrotect ones. https://pyrotectstore.com/product/ultra-light-5-point-sfi-cam-lock-harness Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:59 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > > ? > On the subject of expired belts, My street TR3 has two Simpson 3" wide seat belts that are probably over 15 years old and are showing their age from daily use. If anyone has a comparable pair of lap belts that are freshly out of date for racing, or a pair of unused comparable lap belts that went out of date sitting on a shelf I would be very interested in getting them. I just do not have the money to go out and purchase a new set. 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 10:29:55 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: and I have 3 red sets of out of date G-Force, one is latch and link the other two are cam locks. All pretty new looking as they hardly see the light of day in the course of two years before going out of date Brian 585-305-0349 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Sounds like you should have your pick of colors. I can offer blue Pyrotect > ones. > > https://pyrotectstore.com/product/ultra-light-5-point-sfi-cam-lock-harness > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:59 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > > On the subject of expired belts, My street TR3 has two Simpson 3" wide > seat belts that are probably over 15 years old and are showing their age > from daily use. If anyone has a comparable pair of lap belts that are > freshly out of date for racing, or a pair of unused comparable lap belts > that went out of date sitting on a shelf I would be very interested in > getting them. I just do not have the money to go out and purchase a new > set. New or infrequently used expired belts would be much than what I have. > Please let me know if you have two lap belts that you don't have a use for. > > Thanks > > TeriAnn > -- > > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and > Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wakeman) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 11:26:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: I should also mention the type of 3 inch seat belts I have are latch & link type, the TR3 is red with black interior. I strongly prefer 2 sets of 3" wide latch and link type, black or red. Thank you. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:13 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From jaboruch at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 11:11:23 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:11:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I am remembering correctly, Jerry was from Chapaqua (sp?), NY (where Hillary and Bill Clinton live). Jerry raced with the SCCA in the Volvo Historic Series/ Historic Race Group. The last I knew he was town manager and you may be able to find him that way. Joe B. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2021, at 9:14 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jan 7 15:24:56 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 17:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> References: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F3AB13B-7997-4976-923E-0F34147D67CF@me.com> That?s great, Ken. If the old car doesn?t turn out to be available I?m sure we can find you another one. Not quite the same, but . . . Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2021, at 5:20 PM, KEN & MEREDYDD FRANCKE wrote: > > ? > Good news everyone. I found the car. Jerry Faiella stitl has it and its been sitting for 12 years. Unfortunately for me it was just planning to redo it. Maybe with a little luck I can talk him out of it. > > Thanks for everybody's help. > > -ken francke > > On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:11:47 AM EST, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 9 08:46:10 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2021 15:46:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Message-ID: <588e5f65be8f519c7f245e5bf4782ccbdb1d2378@webmail> -----------------------------------------From: "Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot" To: "Friends Of Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 4 2021 12:40:54PM Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. I would like to continue with recognition of women who raced Triumphs. I am attaching two photos of Anne Palo Davis, Austin?s wife, at the 1ST ANNUAL SPORTS CAR RACES AKRON OCTOBER, 1954. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tr paint a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 201356 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 12:26:16 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 11:26:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts Message-ID: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1503075 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM. > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jan 9 12:59:54 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 14:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Count me in Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jan 9 13:11:42 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 20:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) References: <123850491.239992.1610223102491.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> Count me in for a dozen! Large size please .? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 9, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 13:12:00 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 15:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Put me down for 2 Cheers Mike Deweerd On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Count me in > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Hello all, > > > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were > based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody > the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I > needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might > want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and > $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? > They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. > The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original > supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Gee > > > > This is the back: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo > though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 9 14:01:45 2021 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 21:01:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I still have the raw art files? for both FOT variations? the original as well as the approved file. Greg Petrolati Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 12:13 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: Amici Triumphi Subject: Re: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts Put me down for 2 Cheers Mike Deweerd On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: Count me in Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot > wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sat Jan 9 15:49:56 2021 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 22:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <905302824.146156.1610232596481@mail.yahoo.com> I'm in, 1 large please. Rick Parent "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 02:29:29 PM EST, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mereken at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 7 15:10:18 2021 From: mereken at bellsouth.net (KEN & MEREDYDD FRANCKE) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> Good news everyone. I found the car. Jerry Faiella stitl has it and its been sitting for 12 years. Unfortunately for me it was just planning to redo it. Maybe with a little luck I can talk him out of it. Thanks for everybody's help. -ken francke On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:11:47 AM EST, Scott Janzen wrote: I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. ?Anyone know where it is?A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. ?My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002.? I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. Ken Francke772-287-2689 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > ? > Put me down for 2 > Cheers > Mike Deweerd > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> Count me in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello all, >> > >> > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> > >> > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> > >> > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Chuck Gee >> > >> > This is the back: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sat Jan 9 17:19:37 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 19:19:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> References: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick McCurdy for one ladge! > On Jan 9, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ?Chuck, > > Count me in for 2 in XL. > > Could be a real ?bang up? theme for this year?s Kastner Cup! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Put me down for 2 >> Cheers >> Mike Deweerd >> >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>> Count me in >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Hello all, >>> > >>> > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> > >>> > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> > >>> > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Chuck Gee >>> > >>> > This is the back: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 19:42:51 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 18:42:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <996592534.143472.1610239649626@mail.yahoo.com> References: <996592534.143472.1610239649626@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3553E088-65CB-4626-BB61-29DC751455DA@gmail.com> All we need are white pants and black belts to complete the Kastner Team look! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Erik Jacobsen wrote: > > ?We're certainly interested! > 1 2xl and 1 large > > Jake and Karen Jacobsen > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 6:21 PM, Rick McCurdy via Fot > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jan 9 21:24:56 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 23:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C94B2C6-50F0-4FBE-B280-561552E7DC46@seiri.com> +1 in large for Bownes > On Jan 9, 2021, at 17:58, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?What timing. I have one of them from 2007 and wore it just two days ago. I'd take a couple more. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 02:28:39 2021 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 09:28:39 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 08:46:13 2021 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 07:46:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: > Nice! > But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view > of > recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? > > "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:06:52 2021 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: As an alternative, just don't buy one. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:47 AM Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee > Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which > manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing > it? If you want something different, design your own. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view >> of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 10 09:07:46 2021 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:07:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> Well said Kas, From: Kas Kastner via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:46 AM To: John Davies Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 10 09:18:43 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Makes perfect sense when we know the backstory. Thank you! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:19:34 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:19:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Hear, hear! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 10:17 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > Well said Kas, > > *From:* Kas Kastner via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:46 AM > *To:* John Davies > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 > > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee > Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured > fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want > something different, design your own. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view >> of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Sun Jan 10 09:21:30 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 References: <245886059.385986.1610295690421.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <245886059.385986.1610295690421@mail.yahoo.com> John: ? Huh? ?(You don?t ?have to buy a?t -shirt ) . ? Btw. ?The shirt is?just??perfect for my son he?is a holder of a Federal?Explosive License ( FEL)?Fully ?vetted??and certified. ? ?Just ?Perfect! ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, January 10, 2021,?John Davies via Fot??wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 09:56:59 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <549585968.195447.1610297819811@mail.yahoo.com> Seriously??? Glen Efinger Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 10:19:11 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:19:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <915E6A31-016E-4D70-8D6D-5757D711CBDE@gmail.com> Chuck - Yes, two XL in Long Sleeve Please & one Medium, Please, Please! Florida sun has made my arms too toasty, need to keep the sun off. Thanks, Terry ?64 Spit Racer ?68 TR 250 > On Jan 9, 2021, at 14:40, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Jan 10 10:37:07 2021 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2086746705.410637.1610300227457@mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Chuck-? Although the T shirt was before my time (by about 8 years), I am a sucker for all things Triumphs and Kastner, and also for T shirts in general.? Please count me in for one XL.? Thanks!-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 2:26 pm Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jan 10 11:13:37 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:13:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Please us down for: 2 Extra Large 1 Medium What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride. Thanks to Kas for the back story. Paul Ricco 813-716-1931 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Jan 10 11:44:15 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:44:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> References: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Message-ID: If we are taking orders, put me down for 1 as well. > On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > ?Please us down for: > > 2 Extra Large > 1 Medium > > What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride. > > Thanks to Kas for the back story. > > Paul Ricco > 813-716-1931 > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >>> Nice! >>> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >>> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >>> >>> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >>> >>> John >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >>> >>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >>> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 11:48:55 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> References: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Message-ID: <2138968828.245927.1610304535884@mail.yahoo.com> Yes I would like to get in for 2, one medium, one large. Re the previous explosive comment that got a few replies, including mine, I didn't realize at first that he is across the pond, different views on some things, and also I just happened to read the post immediately after spending an hour & a half @ the shooting range w/the GF on this fine Sunday morning, in the free state of Florida, in the free, for now, USA...No offense to the OP. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Kas Kastner Cc: FOT ; John Davies Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2021 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Please us down for: 2 Extra Large1 Medium What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride.? Thanks to Kas for the back story.? Paul Ricco813-716-1931 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: ?The original?shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American?Explosives which manufactured?fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something?different, design?your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 11:53:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:53:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn - you out there? I'm going to the post office tomorrow (Monday 11th) and can you a set of red latch and link belts Let me know Brian 585-305-0349 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:27 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > I should also mention the type of 3 inch seat belts I have are latch & > link type, the TR3 is red with black interior. I strongly prefer 2 sets of > 3" wide latch and link type, black or red. Thank you. > > TeriAnn > -- > > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and > Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 16:21:01 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 23:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 References: <1590149743.718345.1610320861259.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1590149743.718345.1610320861259@mail.yahoo.com> A lot of folks like explosives....and I agree with Kas! Here's a pic of the "hollywood shot" atvtbr graduation of a 6-week breacher course I instructed. Class consisted of mostly SEALs and a few Army Spec Op guys. Love getting paid to blow stuff up! M. Huovinen On Sunday, January 10, 2021 John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 11 04:21:08 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:21:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <002701d6e80b$dc8c8810$95a59830$@gmail.com> I like explosive stuff. When I was a child we collected the left overs from Sylvester and built bigger bombs and blew them up. Quite dangerous for children but some fun for us at that time. Happy to grew up, when there wasn?t Nanny times as these days. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Kas Kastner via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Januar 2021 16:46 An: John Davies Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot > On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 09:47:56 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:47:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:56:06 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:56:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. > On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. > > There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:19:25 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:19:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool Message-ID: Hello Amici, Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... [image: Vitesse Trans-Am and F 5000 crews KBR (Large).jpg] White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:32:25 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:32:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> References: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> Thanks Bill. I?ll be delivering yours personally to Maui. Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Ponostyle wrote: > > ?I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. > > I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. > > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. >> >> There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> >>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> >>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Gee >>> >>> This is the back: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jan 11 11:35:30 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C06E1C6-EA6E-4277-90E2-1385AD53189F@me.com> Historic perspective shows us the way, again. White is the way to go, and retro cool - just like all of us (hah). Scott ?68 GT6 On Jan 11, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 11:38:12 2021 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:38:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF7817B-1859-4BAB-A25E-C90855226888@comcast.net> Is Brophy in the picture? > On Jan 11, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 11:41:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 18:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding References: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges.? I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments.? The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2.? When it came back it looked like a new gauge.? They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem.? In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions.? It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts.? I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system.? With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done.? I have used Nisonger for instrument rebuilding for over 30 years, with similar results. Best regards, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Jan 11 11:56:35 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:56:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding In-Reply-To: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack, We have also had an excellent experience with Nisonger. They recently did a full set for a car that we are working on. We are very satisfied. Paul Ricco > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges. I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments. The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2. When it came back it looked like a new gauge. They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem. In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. > > When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions. It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts. I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system. With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. > > I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done. I have used Nisonger for instrument rebuilding for over 30 years, with similar results. > > Best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 11 12:54:55 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:54:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19A09577-ABFA-4741-9682-7CEFDA059F56@wi.rr.com> I concur with all of your comments Jack. When I got my Austin Healy tach back it was like getting a new one. Allen Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > ?Jack, > > We have also had an excellent experience with Nisonger. They recently did a full set for a car that we are working on. We are very satisfied. > > Paul Ricco > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges. I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments. The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2. When it came back it looked like a new gauge. They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem. In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. >> >> When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions. It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts. I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system. With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. >> >> I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done. 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URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Jan 11 13:15:14 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts References: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do?6 large?and 6 xl. ? Mordy? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 11, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week.? I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this.? Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:23:22 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:23:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> References: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7483C521-D545-4268-84A0-A3823DD1FF98@gmail.com> Actually I?m in SoCal at the moment, though you could drop by Maui and let me know how the remodel on my house there is going. Diane is diabetic, we won?t be getting on any airplanes until she gets vaccinated. I, on the other hand, have the immune system of a badger?and old, grumpy one. > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Thanks Bill. I?ll be delivering yours personally to Maui. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Ponostyle wrote: >> >> ?I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. >> >> I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. >> >> >>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. >>> >>> There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:37:58 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:37:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All, I?m only doing white short sleeve this time. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do 6 large and 6 xl. > > Mordy > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Monday, January 11, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. > > There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > > > ?Hello all, > > > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Gee > > > > This is the back: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 15:05:22 2021 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:05:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> References: <123850491.239992.1610223102491.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Mordy? The Graphic designer is not long gone? he?s merely lurking in the PNW. I have a folder of all FOT art work files I had a hand in. If Steve Belfer would call me at 971-241-8354 I?ll give him a rundown of what I?ve got. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mordy Dunst via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 12:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject) Count me in for a dozen! Large size please . Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 9, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 20:45:14 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:45:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> All, I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys were accurate in their portrayal). Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 04:57:03 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 05:57:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter Brock told me that if you watch the movie as an historic documentary, you'll be disappointed as not everything is accurate. If you watch it as Hollywood entertainment, then it would be much more enjoyable. After all, they did not show Peter or Kas in the movie and both had a major influence on Shelby history, whether Ford or Hollywood wants to acknowledge that or not. They definitely wouldn't add said shirts to the big screen, although it would have been ultra cool to see an extra on set wearing one... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > All, > > I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep > manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other > Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, > the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy > driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories > intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had > everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the > movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. > > Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, > they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys > were accurate in their portrayal). > > Chuck > > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's > Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box > driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the > short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in > the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, > Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of > course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Chuck On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: ?Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do?6 large?and 6 xl. ? Mordy? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 11, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week.? I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this.? Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Dennis Sent from my iPhone From kaskastner at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:04:26 2021 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:04:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: That was indeed a funny couple hours. Everyone in the Triumph pits was wearing one of the shirts and it was not until about ten o'clock in the AM that I noticed it on Charlie Gates who was driving my TR-250- (and won) in the modified category. I was so embarrassed, not easy to do. My little mind was busy elsewhere. I have a photo of Charlie leaning up against a post in the paddock and the shirt is visible. (my first notice of it.) *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > All, > > I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep > manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other > Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, > the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy > driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories > intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had > everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the > movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. > > Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, > they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys > were accurate in their portrayal). > > Chuck > > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's > Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box > driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the > short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in > the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, > Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of > course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:40:26 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:40:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting to note the Cobra shirt can still be bought off the shelf. [image: yhst-13525187779972_2268_86451074.jpg] [image: yhst-13525187779972_2268_86488646.jpg] *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Kas Kastner wrote: > That was indeed a funny couple hours. Everyone in the Triumph pits was > wearing one of the shirts and it was not until about ten o'clock in the AM > that I noticed it on Charlie Gates who was driving my TR-250- (and won) in > the modified category. I was so embarrassed, not easy to do. My little > mind was busy elsewhere. I have a photo of Charlie leaning up against a > post in the paddock and the shirt is visible. (my first notice of it.) > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot > wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep >> manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other >> Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, >> the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy >> driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories >> intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had >> everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the >> movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. >> >> Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, >> they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys >> were accurate in their portrayal). >> >> Chuck >> >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Hello Amici, >> >> Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's >> Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box >> driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the >> short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in >> the photo. >> >> The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, >> Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of >> course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... >> >> >> >> >> White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. Thanks, Chuck -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jan 14 05:46:37 2021 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <262139464.1111335.1610628397537@mail.yahoo.com> Can I get two XLs? ? Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 6:25 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Thanks to everyone for the great response.? This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it!? We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping.? They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail.? Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40.? If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05.? You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities.? Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct.? If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list.? Once all this is finalized we will place the order.? I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment.? Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut.? Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jan 15 08:31:29 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 10:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 information available Message-ID: Curt Johnston and his team are busy working out the details of the 2021 Kastner Cup event at Portland International Raceway. We have posted a quick facts sheet for those racers who are planning to run, along with a very recent press release and a copy of the poster on: www.fot-racing.com Special thanks to Steve Belfer for another great job on the poster! Also, just a reminder that Curt is still looking for volunteers to help on various committees, his contact info is on the press release. Should be another great one!!! From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 11:27:49 2021 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 11:27:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for doing this Chuck. I?ve found it interesting that I couldn?t help mentally adding to the images I have of the list members I?ve never met by the choices of t-shirt sizes. Hopefully it will help when I meet fellow racers. We have a group that stretches far and wide and it appears to apply to t-shirts too. ;) Bud > On Jan 13, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! > > We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. > > I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! > > Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Fri Jan 15 11:59:31 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:59:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Dale Bates Message-ID: Dale Bates a Triumph guy had a shop north of Santa Cruz California . Anyone know if he is still around? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 13:02:32 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:02:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Dale Bates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16C1660B-91F5-4CC2-B5A1-A45FDDC27FEF@comcast.net> Dale passed away 3 years ago. I bought my cars from him and later acquired most of his parts collection. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2021, at 10:59 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > Dale Bates a Triumph guy had a shop north of Santa Cruz California . Anyone know if he is still around? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 15 13:29:53 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:29:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 information available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5abfefc0-40cb-97fa-1e7b-b689305fca4a@bradakis.com> I am going to work hard at attending.? Not sure if I will be able to get enough time off work to drive up there, visit with some friends in the area, or if I will just fly in, watch the races then fly home.? I think the last time I was in Portland was for a VTR convention a hundred years or so ago. mjb. From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 15:33:47 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 22:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake Hardware - TR-3 to TR-6 References: <376626003.9969.1610750028388.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <376626003.9969.1610750028388@mail.yahoo.com> Folks, I admit it...? I am a pack rat.? I also make lists!? Sometimes I feel like the Ace hardware for miscellaneous small Triumph parts.? I have owned 29 Triumphs (TR-2 through TR-6) and parted out about 10 of them to support my 25 year racing habit.? Anyway, I have been cleaning & organizing my garage (which happens on rare occasions) and I always have to ask myself, "is this worth keeping or not".? I'm now throwing out a lot of stuff that I would have kept 25 years ago. "just in case I might need it".? And in fact, when I was racing and restoring old Triumphs, I used many of the parts I had kept.? I have now set up 2 boxes on my work bench, one for steel throw away, and one for aluminum throw away.? When they get full, I will make a trip to the scrap metal yard. Today I was going through one of my organizers that was filled with small brake parts, some fitting all models and years, for both front & rear brakes.? See the attached picture.? If anyone is interested in this stuff, contact me offline.? You don't need to explain what you intend to do with it.? All I ask is that you send me a check for what it costs me to ship. I also have a large number of good drain plugs as used for the sump, transmission (2), differential (2), and probably some other places.? I have about 30.? Attached is a picture of some of them (I found quite a few more after I took the picture).? They all have good square tops, used for installing and removing the plug with a Crescent wrench.? Whoops, No, just kidding.? Those which had been rounded off with a Crescent wrench or vice grips, I threw out.? These are what is left, no doubt installed by a qualified mechanic using a square wrench or socket. Same deal, if you want any or all of these, all I ask is that you send me a check for whatever it costs me to ship them. If I don't get any response in the next week or so, all of it goes in the steel throw away box and off to the scrap yard. Thanks for your few minutes of attention while I had some fun with this. Jack Wheeler(910) 687-0211 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-15-21 - Misc TR Brake Hardware.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 3051622 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Tim Cook From jaboruch at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 18:54:35 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 01:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shocks In-Reply-To: <72496DDE-1F04-479F-8D87-7FD9E70BF9B4@gmail.com> References: <72496DDE-1F04-479F-8D87-7FD9E70BF9B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <624934614.37386.1610762075222@mail.yahoo.com> Tim, it has been many years since I bought them, but I think it is the Koni 8212 or 8216 coilovers that I have at the rear of my TR3.? I suggest that you buy them from a race prep shop that can valve them correctly for the type of racing that you are doing.? I think I got them from Truechoice back then.? Joe B. On Friday, January 15, 2021, 07:57:59 PM EST, Tim Cook via Fot wrote: Hello All: Seeking advice for adjustable coil-over rear shocks for my TR8 racer under construction. Any strong favorites out there? I?m currently looking at 8212 Koni?s and QA1 DD series. Dimensions seem to work. Both mention Drag Racing. Right choice? Go! Thanks, Tim Cook _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 18:55:12 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 17:55:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! Chuck > On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! > > We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. > > I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! > > Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Jan 16 10:57:35 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 17:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Small treasures Message-ID: Yay! Found the GT6 racer's crankshaft in Dad's basement! Scott(B.) [Image] Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 11:48:25 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 18:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311989934.180585.1610822905582@mail.yahoo.com> All good recommendations Paul.? I store my paints and other flammable solvents in plastic storage bins in a small (3'x5'x5') shed outside.? That way they are not in the garage where they may be ignited or contribute to a fire if one occurred.? With the storage bins, there is containment, should one of the containers develop a leak. Make sure that battery switches on the race cars are kept off, when in the garage. If you have a battery powered winch in the trailer, be sure to have a battery disconnect switch or disconnect the battery all together, when not actively using the winch.?? Joe B. On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 01:32:28 PM EST, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Sat Jan 16 13:16:41 2021 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:16:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b501d6ec44$81571ef0$84055cd0$@charter.net> Paul, I have a good first aid kit in my shop. I don't have one, but an inexpensive eye wash station might be good to have depending on what you are doing. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Paul Ricco via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 12:31 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:34:36 2021 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:34:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! Jason On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. 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The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. And a phone to call for help. :) > On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Paul, > Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. > > The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. > > He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. > > I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. > > I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. > > > When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. > > Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! > > Jason > >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >> >> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >> >> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >> >> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >> >> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >> >> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >> >> Paul Ricco >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 17 05:13:52 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 07:13:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. > > Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. > > Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. > > The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. > > And a phone to call for help. :) > > > >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Paul, >> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >> >> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >> >> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >> >> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >> >> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >> >> >> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >> >> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >> >> Jason >> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>> FOT, >>> >>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>> >>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>> >>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>> >>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>> >>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>> >>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>> >>> Paul Ricco >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Jan 17 06:08:31 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> References: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> Message-ID: <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Good advice, all of it. > In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> >> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >> >> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >> >> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >> >> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >> >> And a phone to call for help. :) >> >> >> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Paul, >>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>> >>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>> >>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>> >>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>> >>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>> >>> >>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>> >>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>> >>> Jason >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>> >>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>> >>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>> >>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>> >>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>> >>>> Paul Ricco >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 17 06:28:11 2021 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:28:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> References: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> Message-ID: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM To: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. And a phone to call for help. :) On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul, Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! Jason On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 07:28:45 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:28:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > From: Rick McCurdy via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > To: Phil Gott > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Good advice, all of it. >> In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >>> >>> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >>> >>> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >>> >>> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >>> >>> And a phone to call for help. :) >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Paul, >>>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>>> >>>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>>> >>>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>>> >>>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>>> >>>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>>> >>>> >>>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>>> >>>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT, >>>>> >>>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>>> >>>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>>> >>>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>>> >>>>> Paul Ricco >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sun Jan 17 08:06:45 2021 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> For deep cuts super glue is the best! Rick Parent "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:29:39 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 08:35:26 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 10:35:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: nice quote Rick "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences*" On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 10:18 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > For deep cuts super glue is the best! > > Rick Parent > > "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of > consequences*" > > > > On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:29:39 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place > by electrical tape is the shop solution. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself > with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things > maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > *From:* Rick McCurdy via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > *To:* Phil Gott > *Cc:* Friends Of Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I > always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop > something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. > (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror > save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, > suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down > the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, > sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to > grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Good advice, all of it. > In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 > gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for > dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a > hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside > my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. > > Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are > some of the most common causes of liability claims. > > Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from > taking them off to see better. > > The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. > > And a phone to call for help. :) > > > > On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Paul, > Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected > and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher > and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. > > The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type > fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while > you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. > > He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock > down small flare ups. > > I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work > has cooled completely. > > I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. > > > When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if > possible. > > Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! > > Jason > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: > > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that > could have sparks > 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide > monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) > > Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I > though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work > areas. > > Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful > for shop area/garage safety? > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 08:43:32 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 07:43:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C2F8015-A8BB-44CE-9358-6397AB5146F6@gmail.com> I always stock these in my shop and house. > Amazon.com : Splinter Out Splinter Remover 20/Box - 5 Pack : Beauty > > https://www.amazon.com/Splinter-Out-Remover-20-box/dp/B00P85T2S8 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 08:56:42 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 15:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys, been reading this thread on fire suppression. I have decades of experience in loss control and with OSHA, NFPA and other government regs. Interesting reads if you're having trouble sleeping. Requirements for this equipment can be found in OHSA 1910.157 and a fair number of NFPA standards which are referenced in OSHA standards therefore enforceable. First, using water as an extinguishing agent around any welding equipment is ill advised. Welders and other machine tools require lots of electricity, particularly if you have 220/3 phase or higher power. Water for quenching is one thing but for fires around electrical circuits is something else. If you don't want to expose your equipment to chemicals or water fire blankets will work for small incipient stage fires. All fire extinguishers should be Class ABC and placed at either 50 ft or 70ft depending on the function of the business. With welding it will most likely be 50 ft. If you are working with magnesium then a Class D extinguisher is required. Size is not specified but for industrial 5 lb is the norm for portable extinguishers. Inspection of fire extinguishers is multi level. Every month the employer must document the inspection of the extinguisher to insure the and extinguisher is stored in it's designated place, there is no damage or missing parts, and pressure is adequate or in the "green". Each year the extinguisher must be inspected by a certified technician for a variety of items but mostly for weight and certification of the extinguisher. First aid kits are not a regulatory requirement unless you are more than a certain time away from medical assistance (clinic or EMT) but are always a great idea. Make up your own kit rather than purchase kits that have items you will never use and are generally short on high use items. Super glue and terri/steri strips are a good item to include for small cuts. Knuckle and finger tip band aids are good to have as well. One of the interesting things about government regs is they frequently contradict themselves or are confusing. As for fire extinguishers 1910.157 requires fire extinguishers but also prohibit any one who is not trained annually from using an extinguisher. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Past employers generally billed me out at $300/hr but FOT people get a huge discount. On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 9:29:53 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 09:30:46 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:30:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For anyone with a shop that may get fire safety inspections, I highly recommend that you go overboard with fire extinguishers. If two are required, buy four or five. Definitely get the right types based on the potential hazards in each space. Overkill. Mount properly to local codes with proper signage. 1. You can?t have too many extinguishers. 2. If your inspector finds an inadvertent code violation, whether it be an oversight on your part or that of some employee, etc., his/her enforcement measures may be profoundly affected by his/her impression of your overall safety efforts. Nothing impresses a fire marshal more than up-to-date, well placed, adequate fire extinguishers! It can make the difference between getting shut down, the invitation of other inspectors for permit/code violations, a huge fine, a formal written warning, or just getting a friendly heads up. Those extra extinguishers and their subsequent service, may have just paid for themselves. And in a fire, they may pay for themselves many times over. Over the decades, in various shops and stages I have worked at, I have seen many a fire inspection. It was always some real in-your-face stupid violation by management that wasn?t on the ball about fire safety, that got a marshal riled up and on a rampage. In my shop, I bought bigger, better, and more, than required by code. And I took the time to properly hang them to code. And I bought a huge commercial first aid kit and mounted it in clear sight. It?s overkill because it?s the right thing to do and it?s the smart thing to do. From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Jan 17 09:31:15 2021 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 16:31:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BLACKLINE LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What?s your application? Car ? The ? torson? design in the standard Quaife is good for low HP cars but inadequate for higher Hp cars . 3D brand clutch style is my go to ! Regards T Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: ? Amici Can anyone enlighten me on the Chinese knock off quaife LSD called Blackline? it is for all intended purposes identical to the quaife but price. I've just stumbled across one for sale brand new and wanted some input as to quality. Anyone can make a copy with a CNC but it comes down to the materials used in the construction My morals are fighting with my wallet on this and I was hoping someone has used this LSD for good or bad. Thanks in advance -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 17 09:55:45 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question and related... In-Reply-To: <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <639429130.1485903.1610902545529@mail.yahoo.com> Another point that should be mentioned re fire bottles, never, ever, trust a fire bottle w/a plastic neck.Like the wally-world 2 1/2 pounders; I don't know if they're still on the market, they're junk, unless much improved.They have a history of failure to go poof, while reading in the green.I had one real-world failure & there have been many reports of the same. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann via Fot To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Bob Kramer Cc: Friends Of Triumph Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2021 10:56 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question Hey guys, been reading this thread on fire suppression. I have decades of experience in loss control and with OSHA, NFPA and other government regs. Interesting reads if you're having trouble sleeping. Requirements for this equipment can be found in OHSA 1910.157 and a fair number of NFPA standards which are referenced in OSHA standards therefore enforceable. First, using water as an extinguishing agent around any welding equipment is ill advised. Welders and other machine tools require lots of electricity, particularly if you have 220/3 phase or higher power. Water for quenching is one thing but for fires around electrical circuits is something else. If you don't want to expose your equipment to chemicals or water fire blankets will work for small incipient stage fires. All fire extinguishers should be Class ABC and placed at either 50 ft or 70ft depending on the function of the business. With welding it will most likely be 50 ft. If you are working with magnesium then a Class D extinguisher is required. Size is not specified but for industrial 5 lb is the norm for portable extinguishers. Inspection of fire extinguishers is multi level. Every month the employer must document the inspection of the extinguisher to insure the and extinguisher is stored in it's designated place, there is no damage or missing parts, and pressure is adequate or in the "green". Each year the extinguisher must be inspected by a certified technician for a variety of items but mostly for weight and certification of the extinguisher. First aid kits are not a regulatory requirement unless you are more than a certain time away from medical assistance (clinic or EMT) but are always a great idea. Make up your own kit rather than purchase kits that have items you will never use and are generally short on high use items. Super glue and terri/steri strips are a good item to include for small cuts. Knuckle and finger tip band aids are good to have as well. One of the interesting things about government regs is they frequently contradict themselves or are confusing. As for fire extinguishers 1910.157 requires fire extinguishers but also prohibit any one who is not trained annually from using an extinguisher. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Past employers generally billed me out at $300/hr but FOT people get a huge discount. On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 9:29:53 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 09:59:52 2021 From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:59:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since it sounds like many of us on this list have the same issue with cutting themselves in the shop on some kind of rusty metal, may I suggest that the next time you see your doctor, make sure to get a tetanus shot. I'm due for one this year, so when I go in to see my PCP next month, I'll make sure to mention it to him. On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that > could have sparks > 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide > monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) > > Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I > though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work > areas. > > Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful > for shop area/garage safety? > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dbm.spitfire at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 10:37:19 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 09:37:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BLACKLINE LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D5E2839-262E-4884-A031-36D97B38B6D2@ponostyle.com> You beat me to it. In my experience Quaife LSD might be nice to have for some reason in a street car but is fundamentally useless for racing. Yes I?ve raced with one, no, I haven?t tried them again and I put the pointless one I had in the street TR3 I?m slowly building. The discussions here used to be Detroit locker vs. clutch style LSD, I?ve had both of these. If you don?t mind having the rear end do part of the driving, then lockers are fine, but I prefer to be nominally in charge. In short, there are cheaper alternatives, ranging from welding, to a quick hand on the handbrake, to Quaife, to weird little devices that are 80 percent fraud, but there is no substitute for an honest to god LSD. > On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: > > What?s your application? Car ? > > The ? torson? design in the standard Quaife is good for low HP cars but inadequate for higher Hp cars . > 3D brand clutch style is my go to ! > > Regards > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Amici >> Can anyone enlighten me on the Chinese knock off quaife LSD called Blackline? >> it is for all intended purposes identical to the quaife but price. >> I've just stumbled across one for sale brand new and wanted some input as to quality. >> Anyone can make a copy with a CNC but it comes down to the materials used in the construction >> My morals are fighting with my wallet on this and I was hoping someone has used this LSD for good or bad. >> Thanks in advance >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 12:35:03 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 14:35:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <7AC60E8F-B0CF-487C-A6DA-28D675833E9C@yahoo.com> Something that most first aid kits don?t have as a product called Quick Clot. This is used by military and first responders to help control severe bleeding. It is also at most beaches on Cape Cod, since white sharks appear in numbers each summer and fall. I carry it in my boat, since if fishing miles offshore it will take time for medical help to arrive in the event of a severe bleed. Quick clot is a protein and has a shelf life, so pay attention to expiration dates. Joe B Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > From: Rick McCurdy via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > To: Phil Gott > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Good advice, all of it. >> In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >>> >>> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >>> >>> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >>> >>> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >>> >>> And a phone to call for help. :) >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Paul, >>>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>>> >>>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>>> >>>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>>> >>>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>>> >>>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>>> >>>> >>>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>>> >>>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT, >>>>> >>>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>>> >>>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>>> >>>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>>> >>>>> Paul Ricco >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > > ? > I am looking for new liners and possibly pistons for my TR4. Hoping to get recommendations for a couple of sources > > While doing my engine rebuild, I found that the top piston rings on all 4 cylinders where broken into little pieces and scored the liners walls pretty bad. > > I have 89mm liners > > > Thanks, Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 > 814-323-0698 > mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 17 18:44:50 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 20:44:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car safety Message-ID: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. What?s considered most effective? Sent from my iPhone From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 19:18:06 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 21:18:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car safety In-Reply-To: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> References: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, this subject came up the other day on the HRG news group. This system was suggested as a replacement by one of our members. NFI, I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. mike h On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in > my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the > market these days. What?s considered most effective? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 20:26:41 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 19:26:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Car safety In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, I chose an aqueous foam system as my research indicated it was more effective in open cars. I have a 4 lb SPA Technique system with four nozzles and 3 actuators. Nozzles are pointed at either side of the engine, the fuel pump and cell in the boot and at me in the cockpit. Of course, YMMV... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Scott, this subject came up the other day on the HRG news group. This system was suggested as a replacement by one of our members. NFI, > > I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 > > I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. > > mike h > >> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. 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URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sun Jan 17 22:18:01 2021 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 21:18:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer From keithfiles at btinternet.com Mon Jan 18 00:02:16 2021 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:02:16 +0400 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <2E9F4403-335C-4B29-BA7B-48F13C8C6FDD@btinternet.com> This is so sad. I met Bill many times over the years and considered him a friend. He was funny, approachable and always, always, welcoming. If he could he would, if had something to share he did. I have lovely memories of dinner in one of the Wisconsin clubs with him and many other race drivers, he was a special man and will always be in my heart. Farewell Bill, dear friend. > On 18 Jan 2021, at 09:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 18 04:08:50 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:08:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <001c01d6ed8a$4d7a0380$e86e0a80$@gmail.com> Oh, this is sad news. Sorry to hear this. Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Steven Belfer via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2021 06:18 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Jan 18 04:28:38 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:28:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Jan 18 04:31:42 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:31:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Hi all I?m so very sorry to here this. If you can Steve please pass on my best wishes. Regards Tony Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2021, at 05:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: ?Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 18 04:36:00 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <936e128812a11558bf8e78596cb33a2a@tr4racer.com> When I started racing 20 years ago, I met Bill and the rest of the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. These guys embodied the spirit of Vintage Racing, from their approach to the on-track activities to their approach to their famous Wine and Cheese parties. When it was time for him to hang up the helmet for the last time, he passed the reins to Old Blue to me. After every event I ran with the old TR3 we would exchange email, he was quite happy to see the car running well. Boy, I am going to miss those exchanges. I can only hope he and Wismer are planning their next epic race weekend as we speak... Henry On 2021-01-18 00:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our > dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, > funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn > good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 04:46:23 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: May he rest in peace! Beady Eye Racing Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear > friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, > and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car > driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From paulricco at att.net Mon Jan 18 05:46:14 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:46:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <045297BC-C89D-4F58-B761-17525F55EE46@att.net> We are very sorry to hear of Bill?s passing. We met Bill while buying Bob Wismer?s TR4, we became friends and kept in touch with Bill. We will miss our phone calls, email exchanges and visits with Bill. Paul Ricco and Emily Ricco > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > May he rest in peace! > > Beady Eye Racing > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot > wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NFI, >> >> I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 >> >> I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. >> >> mike h >> >>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. What?s considered most effective? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 06:22:51 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <428189625.465050.1610976171462@mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Thinking of Bill today. From one Navy man to another "Fair winds and following seas". V/r, M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:18 am Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 06:22:51 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <428189625.465050.1610976171462@mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Thinking of Bill today. From one Navy man to another "Fair winds and following seas". V/r, M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:18 am Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 07:29:47 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> Wow this is sad news, he was one class-act, a true gentleman...RIP Bill, we're gonna miss you, you may be gone but we have the memories, all good. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Steven Belfer ; FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 6:28 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken.? Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center.? He is one of the funniest people I have ever known.? It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:40:01 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the floor phones and call us for help. Not the best solution but something she'll use. So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or call anyone) hands free. mike h On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: > Lots of good advice! > > On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a > welding > helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. > > On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where > the > nail has been! > > And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do > if > injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so carry > a > mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled > elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the > call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:48:45 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:48:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Very sad, he was a great guy. After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races. He was always fun to have around. Chuck > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:49:01 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:49:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: This is truly sad news. Bill was a treasure. I first met him at Blackhawk when Joe invited me to come to the track while I was in Iowa for business. I met Bill, Jack and Tony that weekend as well. I fell in love with the panel truck haul vehicle and found out why the name "Friends of Triumph" was chosen. Bill was a friend to all. Bob Kramer On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear > friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, > and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car > driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 18 08:23:01 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:23:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86DE4478-ABDF-4086-A706-9C1E5E262099@wi.rr.com> Goodbye to an incredible human being. He will be greatly missed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:30 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > Wow this is sad news, he was one class-act, a true gentleman... > RIP Bill, we're gonna miss you, you may be gone but we have the memories, all good. > > Glen Efinger > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Steven Belfer ; FOT Triumph > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 6:28 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. > There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. > > Mike Jackson > -----Original Message----- > >From: Steven Belfer via Fot > >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM > >To: FOT Triumph > >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > >Dear Friends, > > > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > > > >~Steve Belfer > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 08:56:29 2021 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7B242CF9-A165-4126-81CD-2C1B932C3004@sbcglobal.net> RIP my friend. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4299714 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 08:56:29 2021 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7B242CF9-A165-4126-81CD-2C1B932C3004@sbcglobal.net> RIP my friend. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 09:28:48 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (ehusmann53) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger References: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945.ref@email.android.com> Message-ID: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> Bill made the world a much better place.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Steven Belfer via Fot Date: 1/18/21 12:18 AM (GMT-05:00) To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends,I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away.Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver.Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news~Steve Belfer_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 09:34:48 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:34:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> References: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945.ref@email.android.com> <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> Message-ID: Fuck, fuck, fuck. That?s the only thing that seems to fit. I loved that guy. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:28 AM, ehusmann53 via Fot wrote: > > Bill made the world a much better place. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Steven Belfer via Fot > Date: 1/18/21 12:18 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Jan 18 09:47:37 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger References: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> You know -I?wonder?if his instructions ?were to plant him?face down so that everyone could kiss his ass goodby. ? He would do stuff like that. Always??the?joker that gentle man. ?Loved his humor and quirky,?unique?insight.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 18, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Very sad, he was a great guy.? After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races.? He was always fun to have around. Chuck > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Mon Jan 18 09:56:13 2021 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:56:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I'll second the suggestion for having your mobile about, though I'll admit to having had a cell phone on my person when I tore my achilles tendon in half working in the shop last Labor Day. However, the 10 on 10 pain kinda took over and I totally forgot it and hopped/limped/crawled to the house (after probably 5 minutes on the floor) to get the spouse because I didn't even think of it. She thought I was having The Big One for a few seconds until I managed to blurt out what had happened. Now, nearly 5 months later I'm walking normally, still in PT, and have a really nice scar to scare children with. ;) Bob On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:40 AM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They > work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on > (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two > cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, > cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a > couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's > fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the > floor phones and call us for help. > > Not the best solution but something she'll use. > > So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car > (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). > > I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for > music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to > the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or > call anyone) hands free. > > mike h > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Lots of good advice! >> >> On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a >> welding >> helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. >> >> On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where >> the >> nail has been! >> >> And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do >> if >> injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so >> carry a >> mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled >> elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the >> call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at icloud.com Mon Jan 18 10:06:29 2021 From: dconnitt at icloud.com (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:06:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Message-ID: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 10:21:09 2021 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <1487132464.678628.1610990469366@mail.yahoo.com> Feels like we're losing a lot of gentlemen and scholars lately, no one more of a gentleman and scholar than Bill and few with such a well-developed sense of humor. I let a few of our Midwestern Council and VSCDA friends know the sad news.Gary Schneider On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 11:18:29 PM CST, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:24:02 2021 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:24:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Gutted... I heard the news of Bill?s passing first thing this morning. I first met him in ?92 or ?93, at the VSCDA Road America Vintage Fall Festival. My first gig shooting for Victory Lane Magazine. After shooting in the rain all day, Bill saw me looking lost at the banquet on Saturday night... ?Hey Greg! You?re a Triumph guy... come sit here! I had found my tribe. I?ll miss you, Bill... thanks for everything... Greg Petrolati Sent from my iPhone From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Jan 18 10:31:27 2021 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:31:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question Message-ID: <007101d6edbf$c11a48b0$434eda10$@neb.rr.com> I used to work for Cargill. They work really hard at keeping their employees safe on the job, lots of training, daily reminders, etc. It got really tiring, but we all appreciated that we were expected to go home in as good of condition as we arrived. There are at least a couple things I took to heart that apply to this Shop Safety Question topic. Ear and Eye protection. Plain old acoustic earmuffs when you are working with loud equipment, or those simple foam or plastic ear plugs can make a big difference toward keeping your ears working well. A little damage at a time adds up. Eye safety is big too. Get proper safety glasses, wear them. Don't just carry them. Also - we were required to have eyewash stations all over the place. When a station was not located close to the work area, we carried an "Emergency Eyewash Bottle" to the spot. I'm not going to install a permanent eyewash station in my shop, but I did get an eyewash kit - something like this one; https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/safety/eyewash-stations-and-showers/perso nal-eyewash-bottles/pac-kit-32-oz-single-bottle-eyewash-station?infoParam.ca mpaignId=WR&msclkid=ed7a5c42095a18055d233c47c80a3f2e&utm_source=bing&utm_med ium=cpc&utm_campaign=%5BADL%5D%20%5BPLA%5D%20%5BSafety%20%26%20Security%5D%2 0%7BEyewash%20Stations%20%26%20Showers%7D%20(Good)%20-%20%5BHigh%20Priority% 20SKUs%5D&utm_term=4582695757775670&utm_content=Safety%20%26%20Security%20-% 20Eyewash%20Stations%20%26%20Showers%20-%20(Good)&adlclid=ed7a5c42095a18055d 233c47c80a3f2e At around $20, you can afford to get a few of them. Home, work shop, garage... Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 10:33:33 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains???There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want.It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand.A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite.Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think )Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars.Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt via Fot To: FOT Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:41:01 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:41:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78DF8C22-4CC0-4636-9B1B-7F12EE2096A8@gmail.com> Rebuilt shocks by World Wide Parts in WI. Long overdue on my long term TR3A. No more skitter. The two race cars Ambro & TR4 have tube shock conversions from RATCO. Works just fine. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains??? > There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want. > It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand. > A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite. > Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think ) > Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars. > Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... > > Glen Efinger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Connitt via Fot > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm > Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion > > Hi all, > I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. > The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. > Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. > I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. > Thanks in advance, > Dave Connitt > ?67 TR4A-IRS > > Sent from my iPhone > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 10:50:19 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:50:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> Well crap.? Bill was a great friend, we had many great times together at and around the track.? Going to Schwartz's Steak House by Road America with him was always a highlight.? So sad. Any word on how Shirley is doing? - Tony Drews On 1/17/2021 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:51:12 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:51:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <38573F8A-AE7A-42CC-8E54-AC04393E0399@ponostyle.com> This has been one hell of a good thread, so good I saved it all. I?m going to swipe all the ideas for my blog. I?ll post the link when I finish. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:56 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > I'll second the suggestion for having your mobile about, though I'll admit to having had a cell phone on my person when I tore my achilles tendon in half working in the shop last Labor Day. However, the 10 on 10 pain kinda took over and I totally forgot it and hopped/limped/crawled to the house (after probably 5 minutes on the floor) to get the spouse because I didn't even think of it. She thought I was having The Big One for a few seconds until I managed to blurt out what had happened. > > Now, nearly 5 months later I'm walking normally, still in PT, and have a really nice scar to scare children with. ;) > > Bob > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:40 AM Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the floor phones and call us for help. > > Not the best solution but something she'll use. > > So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). > > I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or call anyone) hands free. > > mike h > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > Lots of good advice! > > On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a welding > helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. > > On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where the > nail has been! > > And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do if > injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so carry a > mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled > elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the > call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:54:26 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:54:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. Bill was a joy to hang out with. I only did the Swartz?s thing once, but damn that was fun, as was about anything bill was involved with. It was so good to talk to him, what a guy. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Well crap. Bill was a great friend, we had many great times together at and around the track. Going to Schwartz's Steak House by Road America with him was always a highlight. So sad. > > Any word on how Shirley is doing? > > - Tony Drews > > On 1/17/2021 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> >> I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. >> >> Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. >> >> Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news >> >> >> ~Steve Belfer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 18 10:58:15 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 10:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news.? I certainly don't mind. mjb. From harveykinnard at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:01:33 2021 From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:01:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27908287-E0FA-4450-B266-5689C22C46C0@gmail.com> I remember racing with Bill at Elkhart Lake, Bill in his Light Blue Tr3 with its crazy eyed headlights back in the mid to late 80s. I was racing hard with my KC pal, Dick Carlson, in his Yellow Lotus Elite, I in my BRG Morg +4. Bill was just ahead of us. He must have dropped a wheel off at the fast right hander heading down the short straight to the left before the Carousel, as Bill?s rear end went one way, then the other, and finally all the way around ending up facing both Dick and I head on. Since we were all running about the same speed it seemed to be happening in slow motion. Dick went inside, left, I went right. Bill, dramatically, put his hands over his eyes. We cleared him by inches on on either side in the second or so it took to occur. We never lifted. There wasn?t time. There was little drama, except maybe looking back. I met Bill after that race for the first time. He came by to thank Dick and I for our ?heroic driving skills? and ?saving his life?, if not his underwear. It was all a bit tongue in cheek and served to introduced me to one of the most iconic personalities in our sport. I, like so many who knew you much better, will miss you and all you brought to the track. Harvey K. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?You know -I wonder if his instructions were to plant him face down so that everyone could kiss his ass goodby. He would do stuff like that. Always the joker that gentle man. Loved his humor and quirky, unique insight. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Monday, January 18, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Very sad, he was a great guy. After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races. He was always fun to have around. > > Chuck > > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Dear Friends, > > > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > > > > ~Steve Belfer > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 18 11:04:02 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:04:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com>, <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I figured that is why the censors let that one fly! Sad to hear about Bill. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 10:58 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news. I certainly don't mind. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From weredinger at cox.net Mon Jan 18 11:04:23 2021 From: weredinger at cox.net (BILL) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:04:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <936e128812a11558bf8e78596cb33a2a@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: We need to gather up from turn 5 Road America at Bob Wismer's memorial monument ( Bill's best prank on his best racing friend Bob, who was still alive at the time) for a good bye wine and cheese (Wisconsin only please) party for our old and dear friend BILL! We should be fittingly add his name to his creation.Henry, please bring Old Blue for the send off. (My contribution to Old Blue is the replacement frame that it now sits on.) As well as we need Beady Eye Racing Van and Trailer to facilitate the wine and cheese party for old times at the? VSCDA ELVF Races.GOD SPEED to BILLBill -------- Original message --------From: yellow04 via Fot Date: 1/18/21 10:41 AM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger When I started racing 20 years ago, I met Bill and the rest of the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. These guys embodied the spirit of Vintage Racing, from their approach to the on-track activities to their approach to their famous Wine and Cheese parties.When it was time for him to hang up the helmet for the last time, he passed the reins to Old Blue to me. After every event I ran with the old TR3 we would exchange email, he was quite happy to see the car running well. Boy, I am going to miss those exchanges.I can only hope he and Wismer are planning their next epic race weekend as we speak...HenryOn 2021-01-18 00:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote:> Dear Friends,> > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our> dear friend Bill has passed away.> > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest,> funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn> good race car driver.> > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:08:39 2021 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com>, <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I remember Bill from early VARA days. Always had that half smirk half smile, like he?s was having fun and you couldn?t stop him. He had exceptional staying power. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: >> Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. > > It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news. 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I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:22:33 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> Long ago we used a motorcycle front shock oil that was recommended. There are several other ideas, I am sure. Changing to MGB calving was another suggestion....a long time ago. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all of the responses to my question on tube shock conversions. I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. > I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:28:53 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:28:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I got my TR4A it had sat for decades. One of the rear shocks leaked badly and I decided to tear it down and have a look. It had stiffer versions of the little springs, if I recall they were blue instead of gold. I got curious and looked at a couple of other set of old "racing" lever shocks I had acquired and found that one racer had soldered the standard spring into a tighter coil, maybe with a little wasjer to stiffen the rebound a little. I only had one of those shocked so I copied that and made a pair. They worked just fine. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:34 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains??? > There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple > Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want. > It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a > high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it > by hand. > A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because > they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & > proportioning is almost infinite. > Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some > groups still have vintage rules (I think [image: Thinking face]) > Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I > don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars. > Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks > use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... > > Glen Efinger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Connitt via Fot > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm > Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion > > Hi all, > I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring > back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks > that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just > reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have > resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. > The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am > considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that > bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. > Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. > I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear > lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) > regarding handling improvement or not. > Thanks in advance, > Dave Connitt > ?67 TR4A-IRS > > Sent from my iPhone > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Mon Jan 18 12:14:34 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:14:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Devastating to say the least. I spoke to Bill before Mid Ohio Last year and learned of his diminished health. He definitely was going to miss being there. I can't say enough about him but he definitely was one of my valued acquaintances over the years. The fall out here is a genuine tribute to the man he was. He is definitely a loss to our community . Rest in Peace My good friend. -----------------------------------------From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com [1] > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [2] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [4] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://autox.team.net/archive [3] http://www.fot-racing.com [4] http://autox.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Mon Jan 18 12:21:59 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> References: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9EB1E3EC-9877-4439-A5C5-4110FE40CC62@fuse.net> To Marks point what viscosity oil is good for normal and ?stiff? operation? I can?t remember what I used in my shocks not I kind of think it was 20wt Harley Davidson front fork oil. Thanks Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?On 1/18/21 11:17 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> TI wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. > > > I am sure many here remember good old STP. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 12:34:40 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049149276.1913998.1610998480889@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am totally against switching from levers to telescoping shocks unless the upper shock mount is both connected to the lower frame (or roll cage, if you have one) AND has accomodation for upper and lower bump stops. Otherwise, you are wasting money and will wind up with body and / or frame problems. The lever type shock is actually better than tube shocks except other than modified levers, you can't adjust for conditions. That said, the Worldwide folks (nosimport.com) have a conversion with external adjustable valving. Not state of the art, but you can dial soft/firm as needed. The real problem here is that a lot of folks will add springs with no sense of what the rates are and a lot of times the handling issues are related to springs and shock not matched properly. Skittish on rough roads implies too firm, e.g. not enough compliance, but without knowing why there's a compliance issue, you're sort of shooting in the dark. I mean, you could be seeing a problem because you're driving on the bump stops... I switched to the Worlwide setup about 10 years ago and the difference in handling was night and day. Plus I can soften the car when it gets wet. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 12:07:08 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deruiterville at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 12:35:47 2021 From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:35:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. Rest in Peace Bill Randy [cid:3f148775-ca37-4b66-8ec4-e0b1cf9935af] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_8805 (Medium).JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 231784 bytes Desc: IMG_8805 (Medium).JPG URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 18 12:41:03 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:41:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recall that that handlebar setup also had a couple of buttons or levers on it labeled "oil slick" and "smoke screen" or similar. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Randy and Valerie DeRuiter via Fot Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 1:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. Rest in Peace Bill Randy [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6ED9F.8FE21630] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 231784 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 12:49:08 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:49:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz Message-ID: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 12:58:14 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <415486310.3033945.1610999894919@mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like it to me.? Schwartz's Supper Club, outside Elkhart Lake. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:12 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:01:08 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 13:03:05 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:03:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com>, <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok, just wondering thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: ? The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 13:05:07 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:05:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name (they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around the track), but it's a different place. Regards, Tony On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 13:30:58 2021 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:30:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com>, <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: New Holstein about 30 minutes from track. Out in farm land and not only great food but a real super club experience. Start in bar where they take your dinner order and allow you to drink until dinner is ready, then they seat you. I don?t miss every time I go home to race!!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:05 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: ? Ok, just wondering thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: ? The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:49:20 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <2090378397.3053458.1611002960754@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tony.? I remember it well.? When I was racing at Elkhart in the late 70's through the early 90's, we always went to Schwartz's for at least one meal.? Your description is very accurate, even 40+ years ago.? Thanks for the memories. Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 3:09:01 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name (they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around the track), but it's a different place. Regards, Tony On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:53:35 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> References: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <794735197.3046975.1611003215688@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I used STP in my TR-4A IRS lever type shocks from about 1975 until I found some real shock fluid that was about the same viscosity.? Never could tell the difference. Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:03:24 PM EST, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 1/18/21 11:17 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > TI wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. I am sure many here remember good old STP. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at compsnw.com Mon Jan 18 13:54:03 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:54:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice Message-ID: It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. Kindly, Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:54:38 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <2112251357.542498.1610991633206@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2112251357.542498.1610991633206@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <205124534.3055491.1611003278217@mail.yahoo.com> My thoughts expressed earlier on the subject..... I can only speak from my experience racing a 1967 TR-4A IRS for 25 years.? My car was very competitive, finishing top 6 at the Runoffs from 1987 to 1991, including a win in 1990. I used the stock lever arm shocks.? I did replace the shock fluid with heavier fluid and installed competition rear springs, which stiffened the suspension and lowered the car.? I used the stock control arms, but adjusted the mounting brackets to give me more positive camber.? And, I used nylon bushings to attach the control arms.? If you looked at my suspension, it looked stock, but ohhh did that car handle.? And I didn't even need a rear sway bar.? That's where I gained all of my advantage over the competition, as that big flat front end was not very aerodynamic and the car was pretty heavy, so I didn't streak down the straightaways. If it were me, I wouldn't waste the time & money on a tube shock conversion.? In fact, I bought an MGB a number of years ago, and the first thing I did was to remove the tube shocks a previous owner had added, and replace them with stock lever type shocks.? Spend the money on stiffer springs and heavier shock fluid.? And, solid bushings would help too. Good luck. Jack Wheeler On Monday, January 18, 2021, 12:07:40 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 14:11:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 21:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> References: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <298413981.3063672.1611004266167@mail.yahoo.com> I had a bottle of the old shock fluid I used in my race car in my garage.? I can't even remember where I got it.? I just went to? check on it and sure enough, it was still there.? Not enough left to do more than one shock, but it appeared to look the same as it did when I filled my shocks (about 1980).? Never changed it again. It looks like, and has a similar viscosity to molasses! Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 1:23:41 PM EST, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: Long ago we used a motorcycle front shock oil that was recommended. There are several other ideas, I am sure. Changing to MGB calving was another suggestion....a long time ago. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all of the responses to my question on tube shock conversions. I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. > I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:18:12 2021 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:18:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45decc49-3d64-62c7-a354-34660cae59ad@gmail.com> I have a web page that can provide you with some suggestions about where to start. The 40s are good for street cars, but for racing you might want to consider 45s http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm TeriAnn On 1/18/21 1:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com > > -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 18 14:41:43 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:41:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b0db872-3084-a65d-f61e-cccb9c206016@bradakis.com> My usual first response to questions about Weber carbs is that the main advantage of them is that they are infinitely adjustable.? The main disadvantage is that they are infinitely adjustable.? One can spend a lifetime and many many dollars on little brass bits trying to get them just right.? But if you do get them just right ... I thought I had the jetting specs for the carbs I had on The White Car, a '67 4A somewhere on my computer, haven't found them yet.? I imagine some of the more organized folks here can jump in with specific details on choke size and jetting.? 42s are the hot ticket as I recall, but good luck finding a pair of those! mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 15:20:43 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:20:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the Dyno to dial them in. From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle.? But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes would be of greater importance. I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there.? He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall power. I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build.? I suspect you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage.? If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator pumps I'm running. One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with the SU's. I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture.? Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons un-molten. Regards, Tony Drews On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 15:35:43 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 22:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <758815159.1956926.1611009343412@mail.yahoo.com> The valves used to be available in several different specs, yes I think the main difference is in the springs, and maybe port sizes, as I recall.I actually have a set stashed somewhere but I forgot where, which I may find someday by accident when I'm looking for something else that I forgot where I put... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer via Fot To: fubog1 Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion When I got my TR4A it had sat for decades.? One of the rear shocks leaked badly?and I decided to tear it down and have a look.? It had stiffer versions of the little springs, if I recall?they were blue instead of gold.? I got curious and looked at a couple of other set of old "racing" lever shocks I had acquired and found that one racer had soldered the standard spring into a tighter coil, maybe with a little wasjer to stiffen the rebound a? little.? I only had one of those shocked?so I copied that and made a pair. They worked just fine. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:34 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains???There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want.It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand.A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite.Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think )Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars.Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt via Fot To: FOT Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at icloud.com Mon Jan 18 16:07:43 2021 From: dconnitt at icloud.com (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question Message-ID: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. Regards, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 18 17:36:25 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? > > On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my >> 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and >> Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit >> (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might >> be so kind. >> From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 18:00:23 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:00:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Cheers Henry! I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. > >> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power >> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. >>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 18:11:13 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 01:11:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> , <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <415F8B52-9DF4-4AB2-8E82-1408585EC5D7@mhc-law.com> Yes Greg, but don?t mislead the unwashed that these are stock un modified SU?s... Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > ?Cheers Henry! > I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > >> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. >> >>>> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >>> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power >>> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. >>>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >>>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 18 18:49:34 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:49:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1235051342.10333.1611020974487@connect.xfinity.com> But have you tried CBD oil yet? It's the new cure-all, or so I've heard. I use ATF. Dave H. > On 01/18/2021 5:00 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Cheers Henry! > I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > > > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > > I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. > > > >> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > >> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > >> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. > >>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > >>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 18:58:26 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill was a great guy and a good friend, when I broke at road America he climbed on his golf cart and in minutes he had a fellow racer and welder lined up and we fixed the TR4 and finished the weekend. The wine and cheese at Gratton was always a really good time, We traded a Triumph cheese board for a set of Beady Eye wine glasses, they will raise a toast to him tonight. Godspeed my friend, you will be missed. Mike and Kathy Deweerd On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 2:41 PM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > I recall that that handlebar setup also had a couple of buttons or levers > on it labeled ?oil slick? and ?smoke screen? or similar. > > > > Scott (B.) > > > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *Randy and Valerie > DeRuiter via Fot > *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 1:36 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > > I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up > Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at > the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's > humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed > watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering > arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. > > > > Rest in Peace Bill > > > > Randy > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you believe one of them ordered fish? -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 3:05 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Schwartz > >Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna >which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of >nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad >dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name >(they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? >You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the >dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty >efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from >sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. > >https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ > >The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around >the track), but it's a different place. > >Regards, Tony > >On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 04:45:25 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. Regards, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jan 19 06:17:34 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <585452409.2061179.1611062254418@mail.yahoo.com> Excellent write-up Tony! Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot To: Alec Buchan ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the Dyno to dial them in. From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle.? But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes would be of greater importance. I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there.? He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall power. I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build.? I suspect you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage.? If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator pumps I'm running. One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with the SU's. I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture.? Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons un-molten. Regards, Tony Drews On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Tue Jan 19 06:18:13 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:18:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. Best to all Tony Sent from my iPad On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. Regards, Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. Regards, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at compsnw.com Tue Jan 19 06:22:06 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 05:22:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <585452409.2061179.1611062254418@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> <585452409.2061179.1611062254418@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56969c18-fc13-3a18-83c6-527658cba1d3@compsnw.com> Yes Tony, thank you. Lots to digest. As far a 'look cool', there's nothing cooler than where you sit on the time sheet... On 1/19/2021 5:17 AM, fubog1 wrote: > Excellent write-up Tony! > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews via Fot > To: Alec Buchan ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 5:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice > > Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I > have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / > power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the > Dyno to dial them in. > > From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered > the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) > take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is > more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the > biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I > could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up > and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket > for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big > bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. > > What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting > the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small > air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I > probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. > > From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to > another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine > rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the > emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main > / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda > invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes > that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big > differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I > generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise > it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle. > But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes > would be of greater importance. > > I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture > control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's > and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there. > He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We > would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall > power. > > I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do > it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should > I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. > > Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good > well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. > > Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build. I suspect > you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage. > If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. > > Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about > 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive > box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator > pumps I'm running. > > One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting > the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with > the SU's. > > I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a > couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of > what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding > that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while > the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture. > Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they > need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air > correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big > enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the > main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons > un-molten. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > > be so kind. > > > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > > > Kindly, > > > > Alec Buchan > > Bellingham, WA > > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The first time I started hearing a clunk in the back and when I removed the passenger side rear wheel I found that one shock bolt was gone and the other one was hanging on with about 2 threads left. I had used the original bolts and flat washers to attach the shocks. I bought new grade 8 bolts and split lock washers. The second time, I switched out the split lock washers for internal tooth lock washers and put red Locktite on the bolt threads and they seem to be holding. One other thing is that after I sand blasted the frame I welded in one of the TSI IRS differential frame gusset strengthening kits and also the front lower control arm gusset bracket kits. I can?t explain why the passenger side rear shock bolts would come loose but the Locktite and internal tooth lock washers seem to be holding. Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi all > > There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. > > Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. > > It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. > > Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. > > Best to all > > Tony > > Sent from my iPad > > On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. > > I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > > Say, > I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. > This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. > Now we just need some decent temperatures.. > Regards, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Jan 19 07:21:37 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 14:21:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One last story. This from Chris McNicol, one of the stewards of Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs, which often provides race staff services for VSCDA, two of Bill?s ?home? clubs: ?Terrible news. Bill was one of many characters that roamed the paddocks over the years. I will never forget stewarding at the VSCDA event a million years ago and I was out in the pavilion with Mr. Microphone probably waiting to make first call after lunch. Bill was on that Driver's committee (or whatever it was called) at the time, so when he asked for the mic, didn't think twice about it. I hand it to him and he proceeds to announce to everyone how they were giving out free breast exams in his paddock... He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot > >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph > >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 19 07:29:25 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 14:29:25 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Mid Ohio Message-ID: I remember standing watching the races at one of the commemoratives and Bill 180'd in the top of the Esses definitely an undergarment change moment .. for me and him. -----------------------------------------From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" To: "Amici Triumphi" Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 9:22:15AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger One last story. This from Chris McNicol, one of the stewards of Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs, which often provides race staff services for VSCDA, two of Bill?s ?home? clubs: ?Terrible news. Bill was one of many characters that roamed the paddocks over the years. I will never forget stewarding at the VSCDA event a million years ago and I was out in the pavilion with Mr. Microphone probably waiting to make first call after lunch. Bill was on that Driver's committee (or whatever it was called) at the time, so when he asked for the mic, didn't think twice about it. I hand it to him and he proceeds to announce to everyone how they were giving out free breast exams in his paddock... He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > > [1]http://www.fot-racing.com [2] > >Donate: [3]http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] /> >Archive: [5]http://autox.team.net/archive [6] [7]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: [9]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net [10] /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11]http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: [13]http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] /> Archive: [15]http://autox.team.net/archive [16] [17]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] /> Unsubscribe/Manage: [19]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com [20] /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://www.fot-racing.com [3] http://www.team.net/donate.html%3Cbr [4] http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] http://autox.team.net/archive [6] http://autox.team.net/archive [7] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot%3Cbr [8] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [9] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net%3Cbr [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net [11] http://www.fot-racing.com [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html%3Cbr [14] http://www.team.net/donate.html [15] http://autox.team.net/archive [16] http://autox.team.net/archive [17] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot%3Cbr [18] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [19] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com%3Cbr [20] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 19 07:47:42 2021 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> And who could forget the poster on display in their paddock; ?Just say no to crack!? showing a southern hemisphere of Bob Wismer. The handlebars in Old Blue; Wine and cheese parties; lots of good sportsmanship and great racing will be remembered for a long time. Always served up with copious amounts of humor. Russ From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of T. R. Householder via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 9:29 AM To: 'Barr, Scott' Cc: 'Amici Triumphi' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Mid Ohio I remember standing watching the races at one of the commemoratives and Bill 180'd in the top of the Esses definitely an undergarment change moment .. for me and him. ----------------------------------------- From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" To: "Amici Triumphi" Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 9:22:15AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger One last story. This from Chris McNicol, one of the stewards of Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs, which often provides race staff services for VSCDA, two of Bill?s ?home? clubs: ?Terrible news. Bill was one of many characters that roamed the paddocks over the years. I will never forget stewarding at the VSCDA event a million years ago and I was out in the pavilion with Mr. Microphone probably waiting to make first call after lunch. Bill was on that Driver's committee (or whatever it was called) at the time, so when he asked for the mic, didn't think twice about it. I hand it to him and he proceeds to announce to everyone how they were giving out free breast exams in his paddock... He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Tue Jan 19 08:24:12 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:24:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <262B7EA7-D95F-446A-B139-15F2FBDA7C60@mi.rr.com> I have no intention of hijacking this thread, but have a rear shock damper link spherical bearing kit that I purchased from Revington TR (part no. RTR3392K for information and photo) and never used as I decided to go with a tube shock conversion using RATCO?s kit and Spax units with ?X? bracing between the shock mounting brackets. The kit is for TR2-4. If someone wants to beef up their lever shocks I would sell for $225. Also have a set of Apple Hydraulics uprated lever shocks that I never installed as well if anyone is interested please contact me off list. On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Tony and Bob, Thanks for the additional information on the links and shock oil viscosity. 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I can?t honestly remember what I put in mine when I restored them but I do remember saving the bottle as I didn?t use it all. Another reason to straighten up the garage! > I also wanted to mention that I had a interesting issue in the past years of driving the car when the bolts holding the passenger side rear shock backed out. The first time I started hearing a clunk in the back and when I removed the passenger side rear wheel I found that one shock bolt was gone and the other one was hanging on with about 2 threads left. I had used the original bolts and flat washers to attach the shocks. I bought new grade 8 bolts and split lock washers. The second time, I switched out the split lock washers for internal tooth lock washers and put red Locktite on the bolt threads and they seem to be holding. One other thing is that after I sand blasted the frame I welded in one of the TSI IRS differential frame gusset strengthening kits and also the front lower control arm gusset bracket kits. > I can?t explain why the passenger side rear shock bolts would come loose but the Locktite and internal tooth lock washers seem to be holding. > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? Hi all >> >> There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. >> >> Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. >> >> It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. >> >> Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. >> >> Best to all >> >> Tony >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. >> >> I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Say, >> I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. >> This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. >> Now we just need some decent temperatures.. >> Regards, >> Dave Connitt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 19 09:21:31 2021 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: I still get a kick out of Bill's comment from years ago. I was doing one of the FOT shirt gigs, might have been for the Road Atlanta race. Bill ordered some and commented about his wife wearing one would be like two cats fighting in a burlap bag. Will miss him. Marty Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jan 19 10:02:06 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:02:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> References: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> Message-ID: Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k Henry Frye From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jan 19 10:41:48 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:41:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] yet another Bill Dentinger story Message-ID: <1674002775.3131.1611078108687@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jan 19 11:09:57 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:09:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye Message-ID: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Great video Henry! And all wonderful races. We all live for weekends like that. I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key. You should label it in g's Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would >hear. And it was hysterical. > >Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he >was as excited as I was! > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > >Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 19 12:16:00 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:16:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Bill did a calendar with the Beady Eye Racer on it probably after Mid Ohio 92 . It still hangs in my office and I think about him often -----------------------------------------From: "yellow04 via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 12:04:08PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k /> Henry Frye _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com [1] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [2] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://autox.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 19 12:43:22 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:43:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Denting at Gratton Message-ID: https://www.mlive.com/autoracing/2010/08/veteran_bill_dentinger_looks_f.html -----------------------------------------From: "T. R. Householder via Fot" To: "yellow04" Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 2:16:32PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill did a calendar with the Beady Eye Racer on it probably after Mid Ohio 92 . It still hangs in my office and I think about him often ----------------------------------------- From: "yellow04 via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 12:04:08PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... 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URL: From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 12:49:27 2021 From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 14:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: WOW, what a shock. I am very sad to hear the news. Bill and the Beady Eye guys were my first acquaintances when I started vintage racing. They kind of adopted me at Grattan in 1993. I had just bought a ?race ready? TR3A that had a SVRA logbook so I thought I was perfectly legal for vintage racing. It wasn?t until a year of so later that Bill told me the fiberglass fenders on my car were NOT legal, but that I was so slow, no one cared! Lots of good weekends with the Beady Eye guys enjoying their companionship, good racing, and of course the after racing Wine/Cheese parties. Don Brick was a Wisconsin cheese guy so he always brought the best from his factory for us to sample. I got to know Bill & Shirley a little better when Bill asked me to market some of his cars for him. First class people, and Bill will be surely missed by the Triumph racing community. Glad that Henry is continuing the ?Old Blue? legacy and hope to have many great races again with Old Blue! Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 13:10:17 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 20:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye In-Reply-To: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1156508726.449960.1611087017663@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Henry.? Nice drive.? Your car is really handling well (which is saying something for a TR-3).? When I raced my TR-4A I had independent rear suspension, which I always felt gave me an advantage.? I don't know how you do it with the solid axle. Reminded me of watching Brian Fuerstenau in a TR-3 (#33) at Watkins Glen.? Would have been the summer of 1964, maybe '65.? He was in F Production while his teammate, Bob Tullius was in the #44 TR-4 in E Production.? Eventually the TR-3 got moved to EP and the TR-4 to DP, until the TR-6 came along.? When it couldn't keep up with the 240Z, they moved the TR-6 to DP and 2 years later the TR-4 to join the TR-3 in EP.? The first 2 years the TR-6 was in DP, it won the national championship, first with Group44, then with Paul Newman. Sorry about the history lesson.? Just reminiscing. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: yellow04 ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:11:06 PM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye Great video Henry!? And all wonderful races.? We all live for weekends like that. I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key.? You should label it in g's Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would >hear. And it was hysterical. > >Bill was a racer at heart.? The number of events that the Beady Eye >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he >was as excited as I was! > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > >Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 14:31:25 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:31:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye In-Reply-To: <1156508726.449960.1611087017663@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1156508726.449960.1611087017663@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack, Thanks for that bit of firsthand history from someone who was there! As a teenager in the 70s, my Dad would take me to Summit Point for the races and he would volunteer as a corner worker and signed me up to be a timer (stop watches in those days). My first official solo stint as a timer I was randomly assigned a Triumph (and some other car). I was stoked, since I was already a ?Triumph guy?, even though I wasn?t driving yet. Anyway, I got still more excited when I found out Paul Newman was the driver (that?s why I can?t remember the other car). After the pace lap and green flag Newman was up front & I was Very focused on not screwed up! After the first lap I was disappointed when Newman came into the pits, everyone was wondering what went wrong with the car. His guys/friends came out and pulled the beer cooler out from the cockpit and he charged back onto the track. Seems they left the cooler in the car from happy hour the night before. Anyway, he did make up the time and I believe was in the top 5 or so cars by race end. That?s when I got the bug to race...it just took another 40+ years to get there!! Terry > On Jan 19, 2021, at 15:10, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Henry. Nice drive. Your car is really handling well (which is saying something for a TR-3). When I raced my TR-4A I had independent rear suspension, which I always felt gave me an advantage. I don't know how you do it with the solid axle. > > Reminded me of watching Brian Fuerstenau in a TR-3 (#33) at Watkins Glen. Would have been the summer of 1964, maybe '65. He was in F Production while his teammate, Bob Tullius was in the #44 TR-4 in E Production. Eventually the TR-3 got moved to EP and the TR-4 to DP, until the TR-6 came along. When it couldn't keep up with the 240Z, they moved the TR-6 to DP and 2 years later the TR-4 to join the TR-3 in EP. The first 2 years the TR-6 was in DP, it won the national championship, first with Group44, then with Paul Newman. > > Sorry about the history lesson. Just reminiscing. > > Jack > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: yellow04 ; "fot at autox.team.net" > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:11:06 PM EST > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye > > Great video Henry! And all wonderful races. We all live for weekends like that. > I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key. You should label it in g's > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > >From: yellow04 via Fot > >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if > >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I > >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the > >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at > >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no > >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are > >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through > >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not > >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would > >hear. And it was hysterical. > > > >Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye > >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill > >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul > >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely > >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They > >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their > >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either > >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete > >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a > >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the > >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > > > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most > >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never > >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of > >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A > >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > > > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to > >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is > >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol > >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the > >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and > >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an > >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was > >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. > >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition > >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for > >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > > > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell > >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was > >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and > >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in > >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect > >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great > >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars > >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some > >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He > >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he > >was as excited as I was! > > > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, > >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > > > >Henry Frye > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Henry From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 17:03:02 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 19:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] steering rack question Message-ID: Hey Kids I need to look into my inner ball joint play in my steering rack (GT6). Tivy enlightened me this past October where my play is coming from, (yeah, after I replaced all bushings, ball joints and outer tie rods last winter, sheeeeet!) Anywise, studying the manual, they talk about a plug to be removed and replaced with a zerk, (this is where the steering shaft comes in) give a few pumps, take the zirk out and put the plug back...??? Why is this?, what would be the problem with leaving the zerk in? Brian's question of the day Cheers -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tivy enlightened me this past October where my play is coming from, (yeah, after I replaced all bushings, ball joints and outer tie rods last winter, sheeeeet!)Anywise, studying the manual, they talk about a plug to be removed and replaced with a zerk, (this is where the steering shaft comes in) give a few pumps, take the zirk out and put the plug back...??? Why is this?, what would be the problem with leaving the zerk in? Brian's question of the dayCheers --? Brian Schirano585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From vfracing at aol.com Fri Jan 22 12:24:41 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 19:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Parts Cars In-Reply-To: <1611342621.588rxqaf40k0c08k@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1611342621.588rxqaf40k0c08k@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <1472487319.2635298.1611343481908@mail.yahoo.com> Just so Chip doesn't get bombarded with distant inquiries, where is he located? Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: rjl6n--- via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2021 2:13 pm Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Parts Cars Hi folks, Some of you may remember Chip Bond, who raced a TR-4 with both vintage groups and the SCCA, taking his TR-4 to the Runoffs several times. Anyway, I met with him the other day, and he is cleaning up his barns and has several TR-4 parts cars that he would like move along to new owners.? I know that one has an O/D transmission, and there is at least one good high port head and manifold there as well as lots of other parts. Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Jan 22 14:23:18 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:23:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Parts Cars In-Reply-To: <1472487319.2635298.1611343481908@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1611342621.588rxqaf40k0c08k@webmail.lumos.net> <1472487319.2635298.1611343481908@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1611350598.j1zhrsnlwgks4wwo@webmail.lumos.net> Sorry, I should have mentioned that - Chip Bond (and the cars) is located in Central Virginia, near Ruckersville, VA Hope that helps, John ? On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 19:24:41 +0000 (UTC), vfracing--- via Fot wrote: ? Just so Chip doesn't get bombarded with distant inquiries, where is he located? ? Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: rjl6n--- via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2021 2:13 pm Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Parts Cars ? Hi folks, ? Some of you may remember Chip Bond, who raced a TR-4 with both vintage groups and the SCCA, taking his TR-4 to the Runoffs several times. ? Anyway, I met with him the other day, and he is cleaning up his barns and has several TR-4 parts cars that he would like move along to new owners.? I know that one has an O/D transmission, and there is at least one good high port head and manifold there as well as lots of other parts. ? Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? ? -- Thanks, John ? rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 11:06:45 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question References: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that so far? I have 2 of these brackets and they are different.? It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.? I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change.? My question is which is which? It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. Jack Wheeler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walje at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 23 11:42:53 2021 From: walje at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Walje) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 12:42:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone know of one for sale? Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. Thanks in advance Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jan 23 12:17:09 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:17:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <51616436-2436-4BF4-933D-45E4A326F752@me.com> Dennis, I think I have one off my ?68 race car, but I have no idea as to the originality. I think pinion flanges on the diff vary somewhat with the gear ratio, too. If you can tell me the flange dimensions for both ends I?ll take a look. This one came out when I switched to a TR6 transmission. Also, any good driveshaft shop can easily make one up, to whatever specs you want. Should not be expensive. I don?t know these to be a point of failure though, so my guess is with new u joints a stock one should be fine. The items on either end of the shaft, however, are certainly over-stressed and fail with some degree of frequency, particularly a stock GT6 transmission (and don?t let anyone tell you their upgraded rebuild will prevent that!). On Jan 23, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone know of one for sale? Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. Thanks in advance Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 12:19:29 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <2de4b932fbad2781de7338d6eb99864c0ddcb258@webmail> References: <2de4b932fbad2781de7338d6eb99864c0ddcb258@webmail> Message-ID: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Tom.? I have the original transmissions from my TR-2 and TR-3 sitting in my garage.? I just measured the thickness of the flange and it is .360" on both.? I don't know what that converts to in millimeters.? I assume the early TR-4 was about the same, although the gearbox housing casting was different due to going to the fully synchronized transmission on the TR-4 (and some TR-3B's) As to my original question, I dug out my factory parts books for TR-2 - TR-6 to check the part numbers for the slave cylinder support bracket.? Unfortunately, my TR-2 parts book is for TR-2 through TR-3A, and while it shows 2 different part numbers, it doesn't tell when the change was made.? So, I think the TR-2 and some of the TR-3's used bracket part number 106701.? At some point during the TR-3 run, they changed to part number 128042.? Interesting enough that same part number appears in both the TR-4 and the TR-4A parts books.? Therefore, once they changed to 128042, they stayed with it for all the rest of the TR-4's and TR-4A's. The tr-6 bracket is completely different (it doesn't curve around the bell housing) and it is part number 136353. So, that's all I know.? If anyone knows when, during the TR-3 run they switched to the 128042 part number, I would like to know.? Also, if you have a bracket which you know is for a TR-4 or 4A, please check the measurement between the top holes, as explained in my original email below, and let me know the distance between them.Thanks. Jack On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 1:20:43 PM EST, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: I think you are correct about the TR4 or TR6 the flange on the TR6 bell housing is thicker. ?I'll check a TR2 / Doretti here in the garage but will be a while till I get to the storage area to check anything else? New Facebook with confirming early history? https://www.facebook.com/dorhouse1/ ----------------------------------------- From: "Jack Wheeler via Fot" To: "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Saturday January 23 2021 1:07:23PM Subject: [Fot] Question I have a question about thebracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? Thisbracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and issupported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracketand attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that sofar? I have 2 of these brackets andthey are different.? It looks like the difference is in thehole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locatethe slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.?I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4,although who knows when they made the change.? My question iswhich is which? It looks to me like the best wayto differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, thatis, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? Oneof my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart oncenter.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart oncenter. So does anyone have a bracketwhich is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for aTR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance betweenthe top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyonehas any information about when this was changed (and why), I wouldbe interested in that. Jack Wheeler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Sat Jan 23 12:46:30 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:46:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jack, .360? equals 3.29mm. Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Tom. I have the original transmissions from my TR-2 and TR-3 sitting in my garage. I just measured the thickness of the flange and it is .360" on both. I don't know what that converts to in millimeters. I assume the early TR-4 was about the same, although the gearbox housing casting was different due to going to the fully synchronized transmission on the TR-4 (and some TR-3B's) > > As to my original question, I dug out my factory parts books for TR-2 - TR-6 to check the part numbers for the slave cylinder support bracket. Unfortunately, my TR-2 parts book is for TR-2 through TR-3A, and while it shows 2 different part numbers, it doesn't tell when the change was made. So, I think the TR-2 and some of the TR-3's used bracket part number 106701. At some point during the TR-3 run, they changed to part number 128042. Interesting enough that same part number appears in both the TR-4 and the TR-4A parts books. Therefore, once they changed to 128042, they stayed with it for all the rest of the TR-4's and TR-4A's. > > The tr-6 bracket is completely different (it doesn't curve around the bell housing) and it is part number 136353. > > So, that's all I know. If anyone knows when, during the TR-3 run they switched to the 128042 part number, I would like to know. Also, if you have a bracket which you know is for a TR-4 or 4A, please check the measurement between the top holes, as explained in my original email below, and let me know the distance between them.Thanks. > > Jack > > On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 1:20:43 PM EST, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: > > > I think you are correct about the TR4 or TR6 the flange on the TR6 bell housing is thicker. I'll check a TR2 / Doretti here in the garage but will be a while till I get to the storage area to check anything else > > New Facebook with confirming early history > > https://www.facebook.com/dorhouse1/ > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Jack Wheeler via Fot" > To: "FOT Triumph" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 23 2021 1:07:23PM > Subject: [Fot] Question > > I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to. This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts. Got that so far? > > I have 2 of these brackets and they are different. It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape. One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other. I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change. My question is which is which? > > It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed. One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center. The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. > > So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4. If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:07:36 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Dennis, I bought one a few years ago for the 63 race car (new) from Rimmer Bros and it's worked out well. They have new GT6 propshafts, in both OD and non OD flavors in the $250 + shipping range (Varies with the exchange rate on a daily basis). Shipping will be a hit but if you need anything else get it at the same time and combine the shipping. Non OD version- https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-213150 mike h On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: > I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone > know of one for sale? > > Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? > > I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since > August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. > > Thanks in advance > > Dennis Walje > 68 GT6 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:44:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: if you want a used one, try Ben at British Auto Salvage here in my area (upstate NY). I just bought a GT6 motor from him a couple weeks ago to start work on a back up race motor. While I was there he had a crank crated up to send out to someone. Brian On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:43 PM Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: > I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone > know of one for sale? > > Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? > > I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since > August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. > > Thanks in advance > > Dennis Walje > 68 GT6 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:49:05 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:49:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: PS - RE the GT transmission, I have two and probably every other season they get switched and gone over, seems never the same thing twice when they're taken apart. Good synchroes seem harder to find On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 6:44 PM Brian Schirano wrote: > if you want a used one, try Ben at British Auto Salvage > here in my area (upstate NY). > I just bought a GT6 motor from him a couple weeks ago to start work on a > back up race motor. While I was there he had a crank crated up to send out > to someone. > > Brian > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:43 PM Dennis Walje via Fot > wrote: > >> I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone >> know of one for sale? >> >> Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? >> >> I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since >> August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Dennis Walje >> 68 GT6 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 17:41:09 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 00:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> References: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1300732691.683229.1611448869271@mail.yahoo.com> TR2s and early TR3s had, what I remember, to be a stumpier and bigger diameter slave cylinder.? The later 3s and on, had longer, smaller diameter aluminum slave cylinders.? That may be related to the different brackets.? Joe B. On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 01:07:46 PM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that so far? I have 2 of these brackets and they are different.? It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.? I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change.? My question is which is which? It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. Jack Wheeler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 15:16:22 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:16:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Kastner F Cam. TR3/4. Available for sale Message-ID: Project Car found in barn.....with new cam in box. Any FOT have any interest in the CAM. NFI on my part. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From steve at artwithcars.com Tue Jan 26 09:54:49 2021 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 08:54:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Message-ID: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. ~Steve From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 10:04:01 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:04:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Jan 26 10:07:48 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:07:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com>, Message-ID: My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Morrison wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Tue Jan 26 10:50:33 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:50:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com>, , Message-ID: Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 26 11:14:45 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 18:14:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Message-ID: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black Tom -----------------------------------------From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook [1] ------------------------- FROM: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot SENT: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM TO: Steven Belfer CC: FOT Triumph SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 26 11:39:27 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:39:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> References: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> Message-ID: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black > > Tom > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" > To: "Henry A. Morrison" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Hi all > > Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. > > Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. > > The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. > > Hope this is useful > Tony > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > > > ~Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 12:08:36 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 19:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> Message-ID: <1426039850.265786.1611688116508@mail.yahoo.com> The one under my 57 is signal red.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body.?Dave H.? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black? Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam acrossthis she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I startedbuilding the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the recordsshow ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what thatreally meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, displaycar and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chromebits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and awhite rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics.Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitionsdepartment who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by anymeans) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into theTR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on whitechassis frames and still do today. Hope this is usefulTony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ?My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 whitecar is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander viaFot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question?Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because ofdisplay chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3frames ever come from the factory in colors other thanblack??? 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URL: From weredinger at cox.net Tue Jan 26 16:06:04 2021 From: weredinger at cox.net (BILL) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:06:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <1426039850.265786.1611688116508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have been researching this rare? event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black.?Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant??The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended.?I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch.It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history.All the Best,Bill RedingerVTR -------- Original message --------From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signal red.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body.?Dave H.?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black?Tom-----------------------------------------From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison"Cc: "FOT Triumph"Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PMSubject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AMTo: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question ? Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black??? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net_______________________________________________fot@autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 26 18:36:16 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 01:36:16 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Message-ID: <0262f2e14e6c9f0165e3aa23b08c23fb1fa159f8@webmail> In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? -----------------------------------------From: "BILL" To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. All the Best, Bill Redinger VTR -------- Original message -------- From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signal red. Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame..............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook [1] ------------------------- FROM: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot SENT: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM TO: Steven Belfer CC: FOT Triumph SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com [2] Gasketinnovations.com [3] Cell: 319.464.4711 [4] > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 26 19:59:38 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 20:59:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <0262f2e14e6c9f0165e3aa23b08c23fb1fa159f8@webmail> References: <0262f2e14e6c9f0165e3aa23b08c23fb1fa159f8@webmail> Message-ID: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> Could be just excess paint crossed shared? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > ? > In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "BILL" > To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. > Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? > > The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. > > I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. > > It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. > > All the Best, > > Bill Redinger > VTR > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jim Shaw via Fot > Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > The one under my 57 is signal red. > Jim > > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > > I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. > Dave H. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black > > Tom > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" > To: "Henry A. Morrison" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Hi all > > Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. > > Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. > > The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. > > Hope this is useful > Tony > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > > > ~Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 09:57:58 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:57:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> References: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> Going to have to revise my original post. Upon closer examination of the 57 frame I do not see enough red paint to say it was all red. More rust dirt and nasty grease than red Will know more when the body comes off the frame. Original car unrestored. Jim Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > > ?Could be just excess paint crossed shared? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "BILL" >> To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" >> Cc: "FOT Triumph" >> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. >> Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? >> >> The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. >> >> I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. >> >> It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. >> >> All the Best, >> >> Bill Redinger >> VTR >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Jim Shaw via Fot >> Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye >> Cc: FOT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> The one under my 57 is signal red. >> Jim >> >> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. >> Dave H. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" >> To: "Henry A. Morrison" >> Cc: "FOT Triumph" >> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> Hi all >> >> Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. >> >> Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. >> >> The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. >> >> Hope this is useful >> Tony >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well............. >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM >> To: Steven Belfer >> Cc: FOT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> Essentially, that seems to be true. >> >> But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. >> >> I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racingcom >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 11:39:36 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> References: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <894066020.603713.1611772776400@mail.yahoo.com> Best pic of color right side of frame.jim On Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:03:50 PM EST, Jim Shaw via Fot wrote: Going to have to revise my original post. Upon closer examination of the 57 frame I do not see enough red paint to say it was all red. More rust dirt and nasty grease than red Will know more when the body comes off the frame. Original car unrestored.?Jim Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: ? Could be just excess paint crossed shared?? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ? In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? ----------------------------------------- From: "BILL" To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question I have been researching this rare? event were frames werepainted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. Ihave personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, HenryWebster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters tome, that all the frames were painted chassis black.?Over the years I have confirmed that there werevery rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint (Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented,now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added tothe list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part (the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One otherstrange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paintwere not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with PowderBlue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Notexactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up isunknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, asthe frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready forassembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembledand painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the sameassembly plant?? The above was documented from original owner cars,highly original cars that had fully documented history and originalcars that when separating the body from the frame for the firsttime, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouchedfrom the factory. If you are restoring a car in this categorydocument your findings for future reference is highlyrecommended.? I do not think that all of them came about becauseof show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars duringassembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time periodor batch. It did happen, how many, for what reason or why islost in history. All the Best, Bill RedingerVTR -------- Original message --------From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00)To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave HogyeCc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signalred.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye viaFot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recallone had a red body.?Dave H.? Sent from myiPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fotwrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines forTRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some werepositive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paintgun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it .predominately they were Black? Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam acrossthis she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I startedbuilding the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the recordsshow ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what thatreally meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, displaycar and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chromebits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and awhite rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics.Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitionsdepartment who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by anymeans) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into theTR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on whitechassis frames and still do today. Hope this is usefulTony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ?My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 whitecar is white as well............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question?Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because ofdisplay chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fotwrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3frames ever come from the factory in colors other thanblack??? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0676.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 79376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 11:55:09 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:55:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance Message-ID: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 12:20:31 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Horn resistance Message-ID: Does anyone know what I should expect to get as the coil resistance on a TR4A horn? One of my winter projects is to figure out why I am blowing the 20 amp horn fuse. My horns measured 0.8 ohms and if I use 13.8VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the 20 amp fuse. I should say that I have a Advanced AutoWire harness in tha car. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 12:26:46 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:26:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: Test message Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From 4msonset at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 13:50:05 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 12:50:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance In-Reply-To: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> References: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> Message-ID: Sounds like a short in the wiring that feeds through your steering column rather than the horns themselves, though I?m not sure about your ohms question. In my TR4A life, I?ve seen it be a problem in a couple cars. Just some odd ball short of the wiring. > On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 13:54:40 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:54:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B7E90CD-C11E-4CDA-A24D-EEDFA0C1EBF7@fuse.net> Well, I thought that too but I measured the coil resistance after disconnecting them from the rest of the circuit. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2021, at 3:50 PM, J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Sounds like a short in the wiring that feeds through your steering column rather than the horns themselves, though I?m not sure about your ohms question. In my TR4A life, I?ve seen it be a problem in a couple cars. Just some odd ball short of the wiring. > >> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. >> Thanks, >> Dave Connitt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> From kknight at klaenv.com Thu Jan 28 08:21:55 2021 From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:21:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part Message-ID: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> https://youtu.be/RvdD9RvbAzI We have all had to make a field or home repair of a tool or a part from a machine or our cars. This uses a product we all carry with us and with the addition of some modern fibers you can be up and running with no welding. This fellow has a very interesting channel and he makes and repairs a number of items of interest. Good watching on a cold winters day. Hope all are safe and good racing in 2021. Ken -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 08:44:23 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:44:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part In-Reply-To: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: <53CE9EE7-DE2C-4776-A47C-089956DEC5ED@gmail.com> I?d add that when he roughed it up for paint, he could have given it a second round of JB Weld without the fibers. A thin coat, as if applying Bondo, filling in divots, etc. When that dries, then he could sand it without damaging fibers, and the result would be a sexier finish that would be easier to keep clean. > On Jan 28, 2021, at 7:24 AM, kknight--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > https://youtu.be/RvdD9RvbAzI > > We have all had to make a field or home repair of a tool or a part from a machine or our cars. This uses a product we all carry with us and with the addition of some modern fibers you can be up and running with no welding. This fellow has a very interesting channel and he makes and repairs a number of items of interest. Good watching on a cold winters day. Hope all are safe and good racing in 2021. > > Ken > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 28 10:18:12 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:18:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part In-Reply-To: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: <9a96996c-2e8a-7248-268c-1d829e1eb9b4@bradakis.com> The carbon fiber took me back a few decades.? One of my climbing buddies in the Wasatch Mountain Club was a mechanical engineering gradual student at the U of U.? He'd tell stories about try to test this newfangled carbon fiber stuff, and all the old stress testing machines they had would break before the sample part being tested. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 29 12:33:18 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:33:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? Message-ID: I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? Or, do I need to find another block? Scott Janzen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Jan 29 13:53:51 2021 From: list at mackenzie.aero (list at mackenzie.aero) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:53:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat Message-ID: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ Anybody familiar with this car? Robert MacKenzie ?62 Spit Georgetown TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 14:02:43 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:02:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on BaT References: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> Shhhh?. If anyone really wants to see me in Portland, please just let my high bid stand. Thanks for you?re understanding... ? Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer aka Guzi66 Albuquerque NM From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 14:07:59 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:07:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on BaT In-Reply-To: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> References: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: The interior panels I made for Don and Bob in about 1993. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:03 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > ?Shhhh?. > If anyone really wants to see me in Portland, > please just let my high bid stand. > Thanks for you?re understanding... ? > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > aka Guzi66 > Albuquerque NM > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Jan 29 14:14:15 2021 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:14:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don Brick's former car. That car was raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' School in 1999. Don sold the TR4 to Jonathon Suhre a number of years ago, but I don't think Jonathon raced it more than once or twice. Jonathon's Dad Ken may have had it out a bit as well. Ken is a TRiumph guy with a really nice TR3, and he has vintage raced for many years in his Mini. Looking at the pics from 2018, Ken did a complete makeover of the car. Ken sold the TR4 on BAT in 2018. The link is in the first paragraph of the current BAT ad. I don't know if Ken is on the FOT list, but if anyone here is interested in this car, if you contact me I can put you in touch with Ken. Irv Korey On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot wrote: > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ > > Anybody familiar with this car? > > Robert MacKenzie > ?62 Spit > Georgetown TX > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jan 29 15:06:30 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:06:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I am familiar. As Irv states that's Don Brick's car, the third member of the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. I rode shotgun in that car for one lap at Grattan some 15+ years ago. It was my first time at the track, and VSCDA has/had a deal where they allowed lunchtime rides around the track. Probably for charity, I don't remember. What I do remember was Bill Dentinger, Bob Wismer and Don thought I needed some "instruction" on how to drive the track, so Don and I go out at lunchtime. We are in street clothes, no helmets, and all I have a lap belt. Well, we drive out of the pits and Don is on it, full chat. We are heading for turn one, and I realize Don is not slowing down, he's hard on the gas right up to the braking point. He calmly says "I like to be over here when I brake", and stabs the brakes, turns in, and we go sliding around turn one. I'm looking for things to hold on to but coming up short. We are coming up on another car, and I am thinking OK, the guy running lunchtime laps was adamant, parade laps, no passing, so I am thinking Don is going to fall in line... Wrong. Don just blows right by him and we continue blasting around the track with tires squealing on every corner, and a running commentary from Don on how he approaches the track. I seem to remember we got shown the black flag at start/finish the first time by, Don looks at me and says something like "I wonder what that was for?" Back in the pits I remember Don explaining to whoever was yelling at him that he never heard any of the rules about the lunchtime laps! Good fun... I hope the car finds a good home, even better if it comes back to our neck of the woods. The last time all three Beady Eye cars were together was 2017 at Blackhawk. On 2021-01-29 16:14, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don > Brick's former car. That car was > raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' > School in 1999. > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot > wrote: > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ >> >> Anybody familiar with this car? >> From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 16:55:43 2021 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 23:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1675169425.434871.1611964543069@mail.yahoo.com> Your information is correct Irv. When Jonathan bought it from Don, it was in bad need of TLC. He drove it as purchased once or maybe twice. It was not running well and leaked oil badly from the engine and transmission. It had low compression on a couple of cylinders so we pulled the engine and transmission at his home. But progress was slow then he got a job that moved him away from near me. I bought him out, then finished reconditioning the engine and resealing the transmission. I had all the battle scars smoothed out and painted a not very particular paint job. The brakes and fuel cell were replaced and I put the Panasport wheels and new Hoosier tires on. I raced it for the last time at the Kastner Cup at Blackhawk. At the time I also had two racing Minis so the TR 4 was sold to Najeb Kahn (sp?) on Bring a Trailer. It was recently sold at the RM Sotheby's Auction in Elkhart Indiana for $17,360 according to Classic Motorsport.? Ken Suhre On Friday, January 29, 2021, 03:15:40 PM CST, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don Brick's former car. That car wasraced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' School in 1999. Don sold the TR4 to Jonathon Suhre a number of years ago, but I don't think Jonathon raced it more than once or twice. Jonathon's Dad Ken may have had it out a bit as well. Ken is a TRiumph guy with a really nice TR3, and he has vintage raced formany years in his Mini. Looking at the pics from 2018, Ken did a complete makeover of the car. Ken sold the TR4 on BAT in 2018.The link is in the first paragraph of the current BAT ad. I don't know if Ken is on the FOT list, but if anyone here is interested in this car, if you contact me I can put you in touchwith Ken. Irv Korey On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot wrote: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ Anybody familiar with this car? Robert MacKenzie?62 SpitGeorgetown TX_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmstenquist at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 16:58:07 2021 From: cmstenquist at gmail.com (carl stenquist) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:58:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Earlier in the BaT listing there was a list of all of the owners and the time frame when they had possession. All of a sudden that was removed from the listing. Did anyone else see that? Carl On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 5:08 PM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > Yeah, I am familiar. As Irv states that's Don Brick's car, the third > member of the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. > > I rode shotgun in that car for one lap at Grattan some 15+ years ago. It > was my first time at the track, and VSCDA has/had a deal where they > allowed lunchtime rides around the track. Probably for charity, I don't > remember. What I do remember was Bill Dentinger, Bob Wismer and Don > thought I needed some "instruction" on how to drive the track, so Don > and I go out at lunchtime. We are in street clothes, no helmets, and all > I have a lap belt. Well, we drive out of the pits and Don is on it, full > chat. We are heading for turn one, and I realize Don is not slowing > down, he's hard on the gas right up to the braking point. He calmly > says "I like to be over here when I brake", and stabs the brakes, turns > in, and we go sliding around turn one. I'm looking for things to hold on > to but coming up short. We are coming up on another car, and I am > thinking OK, the guy running lunchtime laps was adamant, parade laps, no > passing, so I am thinking Don is going to fall in line... Wrong. Don > just blows right by him and we continue blasting around the track with > tires squealing on every corner, and a running commentary from Don on > how he approaches the track. I seem to remember we got shown the black > flag at start/finish the first time by, Don looks at me and says > something like "I wonder what that was for?" Back in the pits I remember > Don explaining to whoever was yelling at him that he never heard any of > the rules about the lunchtime laps! Good fun... > > I hope the car finds a good home, even better if it comes back to our > neck of the woods. The last time all three Beady Eye cars were together > was 2017 at Blackhawk. > > On 2021-01-29 16:14, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > > The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don > > Brick's former car. That car was > > raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' > > School in 1999. > > > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot > > wrote: > > > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ > >> > >> Anybody familiar with this car? > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Jan 29 17:05:51 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:05:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> Paeco Racing is closing and selling their inventory at 50%. They have blocks and heads for Triumph?s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > From bschirano1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 17:07:23 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:07:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The two GT6 blocks I've recently worked on have the notched bottom bores. I'd have to look Monday about the crank blow outs on the manifold side. I will defer to others with more knowledge as to GT/TR interchangeability, but my understanding is the differences were in the crank, pistons and intake manis, not the blocks Cheers Brian On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:34 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s > sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just > start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with > the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a > 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating > GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear > a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb > heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores > to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have > (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not > that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same > block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jan 29 17:57:31 2021 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> References: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <001b01d6f6a2$e39a6690$aacf33b0$@rr.com> Folks, If this is the same Paeco I'm thinking of it had a pretty poor reputation years back and the sale of race parts and "prepared" engines usually just once to customers. They at that time had a line of MG & TR products. I can say, if in fact this is the same outfit, be very sure of what you're buying. Last incident I heard of was a spridget that had one of their "hot" clutch/PP setups. At high rpm on track at The Glen the PP came apart and shot out the side of the bell housing missing her ankle by maybe 2". Miss Nardi was extremely fortunate. Russ -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Washatko via Fot Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 7:06 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? Paeco Racing is closing and selling their inventory at 50%. They have blocks and heads for Triumph?s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 29 19:11:31 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:11:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72C349A9-61D3-42C1-B1FF-84F55ADD42EA@me.com> I know the differences are the head (deeper head/thus larger combustion chamber on the TR6 to be proportionate to increased stroke and keep compression ratio reasonable. Rods are the same, crank is stroked to get to larger displacement, cylinders have the same bore, TR6 pistons have a ?higher? wrist pin height equal to the amount of the increased throw, as the rods are the same. On Jan 29, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Brian Schirano wrote: The two GT6 blocks I've recently worked on have the notched bottom bores. I'd have to look Monday about the crank blow outs on the manifold side. I will defer to others with more knowledge as to GT/TR interchangeability, but my understanding is the differences were in the crank, pistons and intake manis, not the blocks Cheers Brian On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:34 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? Or, do I need to find another block? Scott Janzen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 10:52:11 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:52:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Lug Nuts - Free References: <761108415.589238.1612104771087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A4C659D-C2C7-4E34-AC2E-F4953D27EEFA@gmail.com> This comes from one of our famous FOT. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: > From: Jack Wheeler > Date: January 31, 2021 at 8:53:08 AM CST > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: Fw: Lug Nuts - Free > > ? > Hi Joe. I've got a lot of old lug nuts I would like to give away. Below is an email I tried to send to the FOT list, but it bounced back (twice). I used the same email address for FOT that I have been using all along, and it has always worked before. Can you please forward my memo and the pictures to the FOT list? Also, do you see anything wrong with the email address I used? > > I am limited to about 5-6 photos per email, so I sent two more emails with additional photos. If you can forward my email, I will delete the photos from the main email and forward the additional photos in separate emails. > > Thanks, Joe. > > Jack > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Jack Wheeler > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021, 7:36:34 PM EST > Subject: Lug Nuts - Free > > Over my 25 years of racing, different cars, different wheels, etc. resulted in me having a rather large quantity of lug nuts, which I no longer need. They are as follows: > > . 21 lug nuts which came with a set of American Racing wheels on a race car I bought. The condition is rough, but they might be nice to have as spares. Thread is 1/2", shank diam = .685", shank length = .675". > > . 16 1/2" thread lug nuts. Very good condition. These nuts originally had domes on top, but when I went to a longer (3") stud, I had the tops cut off and ran the threads all the way through. Shank diam = .680", shank length = .750". > > . 8 12M 1.50 thread lug nuts with dome top. Shank diam = .680", shank Length = .750". > > . 7 1/2" thread lug nuts, tops cut off and threaded through. Good condition. Shank diam = .680", shank length = 1.20" > > . 6 Misc lug nuts. Three 7/16" thread with dome, shank diam = .680", length = 1.05". Three 1/2" thread, drilled & threaded through. Shank diam = .680", length 1 @ .450" & 2 @ .730". > > . 9 1/2" thread lug nuts, no top, threaded through. Shank Diam = .680", length = .800". > > . 20 specially made thick washers. See pictures. The ID is .695", and thickness is .180". Any interest? > > All of the above lug nuts come with washers. I tried to match the type of washers with the type of lug nuts they would have come with. These are all free for the asking. I only ask that you pay whatever it costs to ship. Any that are not claimed go the the scrap yard. Again, thanks for your help in cleaning out my garage (getting rid of stuff I no longer need). > > See attached pictures of the first 3 items listed above. 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Wheeler Date: January 31, 2021 at 8:53:08 AM CST To: Joe Alexander Subject: Fw: Lug Nuts - Free ? Hi Joe.? I've got a lot of old lug nuts I would like to give away.? Below is an email I tried to send to the FOT list, but it bounced back (twice).? I used the same email address for FOT that I have been using all along, and it has always worked before.? Can you please forward my memo and the pictures to the FOT list?? Also, do you see anything wrong with the email address I used? I am limited to about 5-6 photos per email, so I sent two more emails with additional photos.? If you can forward my email, I will delete the photos from the main email and forward the additional photos in separate emails. Thanks, Joe. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021, 7:36:34 PM ESTSubject: Lug Nuts - Free Over my 25 years of racing, different cars, different wheels, etc. resulted in me having a rather large quantity of lug nuts, which I no longer need.? They are as follows: .? 21 lug nuts which came with a set of American Racing wheels on a race car I bought.? The condition is rough, but they might be nice to have as spares.? Thread is 1/2", shank diam = .685", shank length = .675". .? 16 1/2" thread lug nuts.? Very good condition.? These nuts originally had domes on top, but when I went to a longer (3") stud, I had the tops cut off and ran the threads all the way through.? Shank diam = .680", shank length = .750". .? 8 12M 1.50 thread lug nuts with dome top.? Shank diam = .680", shank Length = .750". .? 7 1/2" thread lug nuts, tops cut off and threaded through.? Good condition.? Shank diam = .680", shank length = 1.20" .? 6 Misc lug nuts.? Three 7/16" thread with dome, shank diam = .680", length = 1.05".? Three 1/2" thread, drilled & threaded through.? Shank diam = .680", length 1 @ .450" & 2 @ .730". .? 9 1/2" thread lug nuts, no top, threaded through.?? Shank Diam = .680", length = .800". .? 20 specially made thick washers.? See pictures.? The ID is .695", and thickness is .180".? Any interest? All of the above lug nuts come with washers.? I tried to match the type of washers with the type of lug nuts they would have come with.? These are all free for the asking.? I only ask that you pay whatever it costs to ship.? Any that are not claimed go the the scrap yard.? Again, thanks for your help in cleaning out my garage (getting rid of stuff I no longer need). See attached pictures of the first 3 items listed above.? I will have to send subsequent emails with the rest of the pictures. 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I recall the Cumberland, MD airport track had a hillside like this but I don?t recall it being as high. Connellsville, PA also had a hillside (I think). Who are Ed, Gene and Austin? JVV FROM: Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot SENT: Thursday, December 31, 2020 10:10 PM TO: Friends Of Triumph SUBJECT: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service Race Team Gene, Ed 91 years old and still with us, and Austin ------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [1]http://www.fot-racing.com [2] Donate: [3]http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: [5]http://autox.team.net/archive [6] [7]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] Unsubscribe/Manage: [9]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [10] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11]http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: [13]http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] Archive: [15]http://autox.team.net/archive [16] [17]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] Unsubscribe/Manage: [19]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com [20] Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com/ [2] http://www.fot-racing.com [3] http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] http://autox.team.net/archive [6] http://autox.team.net/archive [7] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [9] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com [11] http://www.fot-racing.com/ [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] http://www.team.net/donate.html [15] http://autox.team.net/archive [16] http://autox.team.net/archive [17] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [19] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com [20] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Householder via Fot wrote: > Austin Davis a NE Ohio dealer raced a TR3 at Cumberland and theGlen in > 1956. > He imported 3 cars direct from England I assume this is them > > ----------------------------------------- > From: "Ponostyle via Fot" > To: "Jerry Van Vlack" > Cc: "Friends Of Triumph" > Sent: Friday January 1 2021 2:28:12PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service > Race Team > > Reminds me of Sears Point before they did all the earthmoving. > > On Jan 1, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > Does anyone have an idea where this photo might have been taken? 1950?s > American cars in the background. I recall the Cumberland, MD airport track > had a hillside like this but I don?t recall it being as high. > Connellsville, PA also had a hillside (I think). Who are Ed, Gene and > Austin? > JVV > > *From:* Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2020 10:10 PM > *To:* Friends Of Triumph > *Subject:* [Fot] Happy New Year 2021 from the Davis Sales and Service > Race Team > > > > Gene, Ed 91 years old and still with us, and Austin > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson 1955 EP TR3 #72 > On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > > ? > Opinions please. What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block? 1969 Spit 1296. Significant surface rust. > > > <20210103_103532.jpg> > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Jan 3 15:57:35 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 22:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks! That's about what I thought. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: dustin nicholson Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:51:12 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500. I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson 1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? Opinions please. What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block? 1969 Spit 1296. 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URL: From damys at charter.net Mon Jan 4 06:01:26 2021 From: damys at charter.net (David Amys) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 07:01:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Email change Message-ID: <88759037-6502-4256-9CAF-EEAFAF1806A1@charter.net> Please change my address from damys at charter.net to damys0615 at gmail.com Thank you Dave Amys Sent from my iPhone From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 09:31:52 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:31:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Message-ID: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 4 10:27:29 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:27:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Message-ID: Must be the season :-) Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Greg Blake via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 10:32 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From unv at psu.edu Mon Jan 4 10:39:05 2021 From: unv at psu.edu (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:39:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Message-ID: Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. 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Name: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 840824 bytes Desc: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 10:44:45 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> Message-ID: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 13:19:34 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:19:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> References: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: > > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> >> Greg >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> > From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 13:23:51 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:23:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com>, <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 13:43:28 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> References: <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> Message-ID: That might pay the gas for you to get there and back....... Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:27 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: > > > > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > >> > >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 13:46:39 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:46:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <226141C0-97C7-448F-B91F-EC9699C31EAB@icloud.com> Not even in this case. I made a deal with Will(15), if he loads them, he gets the scrap value. Also gets him about an hour and a half of driving time on his permit. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > ? > That might pay the gas for you to get there and back....... > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:27 PM Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> $0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: >> > >> > ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> >> >> >> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 13:58:52 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:58:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> , <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:04:34 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 13:04:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> References: <82B85178-5F46-49F9-BB94-28308A946F9E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <01E3D48B-7A54-42E8-8071-68A66030A663@gmail.com> If it was me, with a hoard of starters and generators, my list would probably be... 1. First offer to FOT. 2. See if there?s rebuilder in my area that might want them. Give them for free or maybe barter for one back ?restored?. (Depending on the quality of the units I?d be giving away!) 3. Put a free ad on Craigslist under ?car parts? and offer for free. No phone numbers, just email and an offer to give address where I would put them out. 4. Put curbside with note: Free for recycling. 5. Put in my recycling bin and let city pick it up! I?d run through the possible doors quickly so as to not lose the spring purge energy! I had a neighbor when I first bought my current home who?s hobby was to collect scrap metals in his free time. He said that for many years, he managed to collect and sell enough to pay his way to travel to France once a year! Subsequently, he became totally fluent in French. He?s no longer my neighbor. When he became disenchanted with his career employer, he moved to France! I miss him! (And it was handy to just walk across the street to give him my scrap!) > On Jan 4, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?$0.38/lb for alternators $0.10/lb for starters locally. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Joe wrote: >> >> ?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>> >>> Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:07:19 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:18:08 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:19:04 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 4 14:24:15 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:24:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So far, I have saved them in an ever-growing tangle of old belts. 22 years? worth at this point. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Brian Schirano via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 3:18 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:28:25 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:28:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to. Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car. Cheers Mike Deweerd On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and >> heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and >> the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < >> fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes >> on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to >> the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it >> back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates >> that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake >> *Cc:* Fot >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to >> five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it >> might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless >> are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of >> old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build >> or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a >> dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Jan 4 14:30:17 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:30:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when you turn it on? Phil G Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot wrote: > > ? > You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 14:31:51 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:31:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: I still owe you for picking me up off I-40 that night. I'm not sure the car I was about to hop into was populated with Triumph enthusiasts! Henry Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Greg Hilyer Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:07 PM To: Henry A. Morrison Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:32:56 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> Message-ID: <732999522.4310656.1609795976100@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, It's the device that drips water on your right knee all winter long. (unless you're right-hand-drive) On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:30:25 PM CST, Phil Gott wrote: What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when you turn it on?Phil G Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot wrote: ? You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:33:11 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: whilst?on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets.CheersBrian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 4 14:35:33 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:35:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: Late at night I put my old belts in Jacobsen's car, and his new ones in mine! Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:28 PM To: Brian Schirano Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to. Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car. Cheers Mike Deweerd On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. Cheers Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! Cheers, Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Erik Jacobsen > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake >; fot at autox.team.net >; Henry A. Morrison > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot > on behalf of Joe via Fot > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Jan 4 14:43:47 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 15:43:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have supplied a couple generations of cub scouts with the coolest looking restraints for their soap box cars. The kids swear it makes their car faster. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > ? > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>> >>> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >>> >>> Henry Morrison >>> >>> Sent from Outlook >>> >>> >>> From: Erik Jacobsen >>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >>> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>> >>> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >>> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >>> >>> Jake >>> >>> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >>> >>> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >>> >>> Cheers, Henry Morrison >>> >>> Sent from Outlook >>> >>> >>> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >>> To: Greg Blake >>> Cc: Fot >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>> >>> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>> > >>> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>> > >>> > Greg >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 14:49:55 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248859285.3891480.1609796995450@mail.yahoo.com> Henry! Now you'll have more fodder since Karen has the same ones in her 6... On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:46:26 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: Late at night I put my old belts in Jacobsen's car, and his new ones in mine! Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 2:28 PM To: Brian Schirano Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I ?get rid? of my old belts (which are in excellent shape but out of date) to the 4x4 and Jeep rock climber/ Mudboging guys. They like the added belts and have no ruling body to Conform to.?Also seen 5 point belts in the street ?tuners? (no malice intended) cars?Put them on Craigslist or on your passenger seat if you have one in your race car.?Cheers?Mike Deweerd? On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:22 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: whilst?on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets.CheersBrian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas!?Cheers,Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Erik Jacobsen Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM To: Greg Blake ;fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)...Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) Jake On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers.?? I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM To: Greg Blake Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning?Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano585-305-0349_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jan 4 15:01:09 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 17:01:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe I?m just behind the curve and have not had a set expire lately, but I send them back to get re-webbed... > On Jan 4, 2021, at 16:56, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?We have supplied a couple generations of cub scouts with the coolest looking restraints for their soap box cars. The kids swear it makes their car faster. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. >> Cheers >> Brian >> >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >>> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! >>> Cheers, >>> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >>> Albuquerque NM >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >>>> >>>> Henry Morrison >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Erik Jacobsen >>>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >>>> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>>> >>>> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >>>> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >>>> >>>> Jake >>>> >>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >>>> >>>> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >>>> >>>> Cheers, Henry Morrison >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >>>> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >>>> To: Greg Blake >>>> Cc: Fot >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >>>> >>>> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >>>> > >>>> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >>>> > >>>> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >>>> > >>>> > Greg >>>> > >>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > fot at autox.team.net >>>> > >>>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> > >>>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jan 4 16:09:42 2021 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:09:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning In-Reply-To: <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> References: <2046399698.4325106.1609795144979@mail.yahoo.com> <927368D2-BE3A-4FB2-9CDC-366FBE2DBB9F@aol.com> Message-ID: <053820fb-b570-07a6-08a1-c56693038937@verizon.net> Hmmmm I thought a heater was a small handgun! As for old belts, I gave some to a young guy starting out in dirt tracking. He ran quite a few events and quit. Said "It gets expensive, doesn't it?"? Kid, you ain't seen nothing! Stay safe, Bill On 1/4/2021 4:30 PM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > What is a ?heater?? As an old British car enthusiast, I don?t > understand the concept. Is it the thing that makes funny noises when > you turn it on? > Phil G > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> You forgot the seat heaters, Henry! >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 03:08:31 PM CST, Greg Hilyer via Fot >> wrote: >> >> >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers >> and heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> > wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers >> and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen > > >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake > >; fot at autox.team.net >> > >; Henry A. Morrison > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die >> hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via >> Fot > wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors.? They have date >> codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them >> to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have >> made it back into somebody's car.? Now I'm down to about 5-10 of >> these with dates that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot > > on behalf of Joe via Fot >> > >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake > >> *Cc:* Fot > >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few >> to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them >> to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > > wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are >> useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list >> is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of >> these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. >> I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 >> stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 16:34:00 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:34:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> An idea I?ve been kicking around but haven?t got around to, is using old harnesses as ?over the tire? tie-downs for trailering. Maybe some type of turnbuckle for final chinching once they?re adjusted to fit. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Erik Jacobsen >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot >> Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> To: Greg Blake >> Cc: Fot >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 16:54:48 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:54:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> <6C250E39-8B98-4957-ACF3-89E50CB9DA7A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: RE re webbing - these are G-Force, they used to offer re webbing, the set I have were probably redone, but they aren't offering at least not at this time Brian On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:37 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > An idea I?ve been kicking around but haven?t got around to, is using old > harnesses as ?over the tire? tie-downs for trailering. Maybe some type of > turnbuckle for final chinching once they?re adjusted to fit. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:33 PM, Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them > the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems > like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts > seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jan 4 19:01:28 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:01:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Hello! Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? Could you share your experiences? Thanks, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jan 4 19:20:14 2021 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 02:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing Spit on EBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <350334289.4374547.1609813214908@mail.yahoo.com> I got a copy of the receipt for the rebuild. Work was done by Melvin Automotive and the total price was around $1,500. Yes $1,500.?If anyone is interested, I can send it to you. ?Email me at vintage_british at yahoo.com.? It is listed on FB in Raleigh for $12K and he tells me his reserve price on eBay is less. ?Not the car for me unfortunately. ? Thx Ty Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, January 4, 2021, 10:43 AM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (Barr, Scott) ? 2. Re: 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (dustin nicholson) ? 3. Re: 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969 (Barr, Scott) ? 4. Email change (David Amys) ? 5. Shop cleaning (Greg Blake) ? 6. Re: Shop cleaning (Barr, Scott) ? 7. Women who raced Triumphs in the early days (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500.? I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson?1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. <20210103_103532.jpg> Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Thanks!? That's about what I thought. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 From: dustin nicholson Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:51:12 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1296 Spitfire block - FE block, 1969?I bought a complete FE long block with internals in good shape a few years ago for the fair price of $500.? I?d say a bare block with no crank is probably only worth $100-$200. Dusty Nicholson?1955 EP TR3 #72 On Jan 3, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ?Opinions please.? ?What is a fair price for a bare FE Spitfire block?? 1969 Spit 1296.? Significant surface rust. <20210103_103532.jpg> Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Please change my address from damys at charter.net to damys0615 at gmail.com Thank you Dave Amys Sent from my iPhone Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone Must be the season? :-) Scott (B.) -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Greg Blake via Fot Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 10:32 AM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] Shop cleaning Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. Let me know, dump run is later this week. Greg Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com #yiv1881061199 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. I would like to continue with recognition of women who raced Triumphs. I am attaching two photos of Anne Palo Davis, Austin?s wife, at the 1st Annual Sports Car Races Akron October, 1954. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20210103_103532.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 979508 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis Sports Car Races Akron Goodyear blimp hager in background.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 598825 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Anne Davis 1st Annual Sports Car Races Preliminary Akron (Ladies) Akron Municipal Airport 1954.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 840824 bytes Desc: not available URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Jan 4 19:28:52 2021 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 12:28:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com> <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Message-ID: yes, on various race cars BUT, we always use temp analysis paint and decals to make sure we understand what peak tems we are seeing, where and how. On some slower tracks, in winter, the intake ducts get blocked off lest the discs run too cool terry On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 12:07 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Hello! > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > Could you share your experiences? > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Jan 4 19:28:17 2021 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 02:28:17 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com>, <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Message-ID: Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! My 2 cents T Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello! > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > Could you share your experiences? > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 4 19:39:48 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:39:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B67512-9521-46CF-B552-C841B33C7263@gmail.com> Kind of input I am looking for. Thank you, Tony & Terry. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:33 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey wrote: > > ?Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. > > All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! > > Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? > > Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! > > My 2 cents > T > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Hello! >> >> Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> >> Could you share your experiences? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From unv at psu.edu Mon Jan 4 20:18:02 2021 From: unv at psu.edu (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 03:18:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure Message-ID: Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. 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URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Tue Jan 5 05:17:34 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 07:17:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDA4436-A85C-41EA-9D4C-CF791CEE9ACA@optonline.net> Amici Fun facts: 1. In the black and white photo- That?s my father behind DMM in my, now, TR3a 2. My father also ran a Corvair Stinger in Steel Cities Region. 1966-1968 3. He also was DMM driving instructor when she went to get her race license Those facts and $10.00 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks! Have a great day Todd 1958 TR3a TS 29341 > On Jan 4, 2021, at 10:23 PM, Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot wrote: > > ? > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 17tcook17 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 05:28:01 2021 From: 17tcook17 at gmail.com (timothy cook) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 07:28:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! [image: image.jpeg] Thanks! Tim On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. 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Name: image.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 94798 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikegranat9 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 08:13:56 2021 From: mikegranat9 at gmail.com (Mike Granat) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 07:13:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72.ref@cs.com> <0C737C45-1D64-4043-AE18-E0CA6B254E72@cs.com> Message-ID: That is excellent advice and a good 'heads up'. Tony applied that methodology to the brakes on my +4 racer and the results were quite surprising. I guess we all assume that brakes always overheat... getting the brakes right is gratifying. On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 6:33 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know > the facts that suit your needs. > > All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur > with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! > > Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? > > Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know > your facts !! > > My 2 cents > T > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Hello! > > > > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? > > > > Could you share your experiences? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Alexander > > 4505 Donald Dr > > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > > The-vintage-racer.com > > Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jan 5 08:32:30 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 09:32:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! It?s a great list and the interaction is great. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Mike Granat wrote: > > ? > That is excellent advice and a good 'heads up'. Tony applied that methodology to the brakes on my +4 racer and the results were quite surprising. I guess we all assume that brakes always overheat... getting the brakes right is gratifying. > >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 6:33 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: >> Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. >> >> All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! >> >> Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? >> >> Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! >> >> My 2 cents >> T >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello! >> > >> > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> > >> > Could you share your experiences? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > 4505 Donald Dr >> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> > The-vintage-racer.com >> > Gasketinnovations.com >> > Cell: 319.464.4711 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From unv at psu.edu Tue Jan 5 12:56:54 2021 From: unv at psu.edu (Styduhar, Daniel Lee) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 19:56:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] =?windows-1252?q?The_two_remaining_drivers_in_the_photo_sh?= =?windows-1252?q?owing_the_three_Davis_Sales_and_Service_right-hand_drive?= =?windows-1252?q?_1956_TR3=92s?= Message-ID: The two remaining drivers in the photo showing the three Davis Sales and Service right-hand drive 1956 TR3?s Gene Gettig and Ed Boyd Eichenlaub They were cousins from Ellwood City, Pa north of Pittsburgh, Pa. Ed?s cousin, Gene raced at the Glen in 1956 and 1957 and raced a Fraser-Nash in 1958 Ed Boyd Eichenlaub racing In 1956 - Right hand drive 1956 Triumph TR3 [cid:92138e8a-112c-47b9-9650-1376e86ecf8b] PennOhio SCC Old Smokey Hill Climb 1st SCCA Cumberland MD novice race 5th SCCA Dunkirk NY airport CSCC Put in Bay DNF SCCA Giants Despair Hill Climb SCCA Brynfan Tyddyn 5th SCCA Swickley Pa Hill Climb 3rd SCCA Akron airport Ohio 5th In 1957 - Ed raced a Porsche 1600 Super Coupe In 1958 - Ed raced a Porsche Carrera Speedster 1500 GS GT Ed then retired from racing Ed?s brother Jim is well known in sports car racing. He raced a Bandini in 1958 and an OSCA S187 in 1959 To all of you in FOT have the best year of racing and don?t forget to have fun. Be safe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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THERE ... | | | Ty On Monday, January 4, 2021, 12:00:14 PM MST, wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Shop cleaning (Joe) Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items.? If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year.? Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 14:40:06 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 13:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amici, One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to a full new harness. They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them > the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems > like a shame, but what can you do. > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts > seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with > their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another > one to a box with two other sets. > Cheers > Brian > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot > wrote: > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and > heater you run out of gas! > Cheers, > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot > wrote: > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and > the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Erik Jacobsen > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < > fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail > yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing > left and right!)... > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > Jake > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes > on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the > local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back > into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that > match my cars............... > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > *To:* Greg Blake > *Cc:* Fot > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 15:36:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 17:36:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that Brad, I jumped on it and called them, only thing is they have to be Crowely belts, they don't do other peoples. Nevertheless good to find a source that still does this. Thanksagain Brian On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 4:40 PM Brad Eells wrote: > Amici, > > One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness > decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply > send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to > a full new harness. > > They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer > stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. > > http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot > wrote: > >> Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer >> them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. >> Seems like a shame, but what can you do. >> >> That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI >> belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with >> their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another >> one to a box with two other sets. >> Cheers >> Brian >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and >> heater you run out of gas! >> Cheers, >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot >> wrote: >> >> I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and >> the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Erik Jacobsen >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM >> *To:* Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net < >> fot at autox.team.net>; Henry A. Morrison >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one >> fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start >> failing left and right!)... >> Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) >> >> Jake >> >> On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> >> I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes >> on them which make them more valuable to restorers. >> >> I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to >> the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it >> back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates >> that match my cars............... >> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net> >> *Sent:* Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM >> *To:* Greg Blake >> *Cc:* Fot >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning >> >> Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to >> five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it >> might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless >> are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of >> old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build >> or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a >> dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. >> > >> > Let me know, dump run is later this week. >> > >> > Greg >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Schirano >> 585-305-0349 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> >> -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Jan 6 02:13:03 2021 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 19:13:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Pistons wanted Message-ID: Folks I'm chasing pistons for a 1960's Triumph Vitesse 1600 engine. I'm not sure if the USA ever got that model (also called Sports 6) , but after 6 months and dozens of emails and phone calls, ive completely given up chasing people and businesses in the UK initially, all I want is 1 used standard piston as a sample to measure up and test FYI, its going into a prewar Triumph Dolomite 6 supercharged engine I'm building. Basic measurements suggest it will work for me, but i need one in my hand to couple up with a prototype conrod ive 3D printed for testing yes, i know i can get custom forged ones made, and i might have to head that way, but i still want a sample to touch and feel and turn over inside an engine I'm hoping someone in the group might be able to help many thanks, and stay safe in such extraordinary times Terry Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 06:07:03 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:07:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Builder In-Reply-To: <196984042.4541223.1609876694492@mail.yahoo.com> References: <196984042.4541223.1609876694492@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ummm, no. Bob Kramer On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 11:31 PM T Thompson via Fot wrote: > I see racecar potential here! > > TRIUMPH TR4 PARTS CAR | eBay > > > $65.00 > TRIUMPH TR4 PARTS CAR | eBay > > IT HAS BEEN SITTING 10+ YEARS FOR SURE. THE BODY IS VERY BAD. THIS IS A > SOLID REAR VS IRS CAR. NO GAUGES. THERE ... > > > > > Ty > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 12:00:14 PM MST, > wrote: > > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Shop cleaning (Joe) > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to > five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it > might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless > are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of > old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build > or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a > dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > Greg > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 08:24:30 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:24:30 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Brake Disc & Caliper Cold Air Ducting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E1CE1A4-3388-428C-9DB6-EAD8BBF28265@ponostyle.com> It?s an often overlooked issue. I ran into the back of a Lotus in Peyote at the chicane entrance once on the first lap of a Portland Rose Cup race because my brakes were dead cold. the victim told me he always rode his brakes on the warmup lap to get the pads up to temperature?advice I considered silly until I tried it. I always assumed brakes worked best when cold?they do, after all, convert kinetic energy into heat. It would seem the deeper the reservoir the better they would work, and that?s true for the disk, but not the pads. It turns out that competition pads?those designed to handle higher temperature, don?t start conforming to the disk until they get hot enough regardless of how hard you stand on the pedal. They also initially off-gas a little, which might also reduce friction. Initially Peyote had some kludgy dryer-duct cooling which I think Tony tossed out the first time he worked on the car. I?ve never had the brakes fade, though I?ve certainly had brain fade fairly often. > On Jan 5, 2021, at 7:32 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > Yes! It?s a great list and the interaction is great. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Jan 5, 2021, at 9:10 AM, Mike Granat wrote: >> >> ? >> That is excellent advice and a good 'heads up'. Tony applied that methodology to the brakes on my +4 racer and the results were quite surprising. I guess we all assume that brakes always overheat... getting the brakes right is gratifying. >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, 6:33 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot > wrote: >> Well , before you ? think? you need brake cooling .... you need to know the facts that suit your needs. >> >> All brake pads operate within a temperature range. Most problems occur with the pad running tooo cold . Same with brake fluid! >> >> Is that looong pedal pad fade or Fluid boil ? >> >> Highly recommend using temperature paint on the rotor and caliper. Know your facts !! >> >> My 2 cents >> T >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello! >> > >> > Anybody using any ducting to brake calipers and discs? >> > >> > Could you share your experiences? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > 4505 Donald Dr >> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> > The-vintage-racer.com >> > Gasketinnovations.com >> > Cell: 319.464.4711 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mikegranat9 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 08:34:42 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:34:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <99CA5BD8-DF5C-4756-BCFC-C3926E0B1845@icloud.com> <508D7CF5-F30E-4E50-BA25-F8C304B4B92A@yahoo.com> <1502443301.4330125.1609793349844@mail.yahoo.com> <1250965297.3778807.1609795991616@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <283819819.209159.1609947282953@connect.xfinity.com> I have been using Crow belts and their rewebbing service has been excellent. Having to do this every two years, makes this an important asset to me and their business. They are inexpensive and you can make changes to whatever design or color they offer during the rewebbing. I changed to the narrow section of the shoulder belts to better fit the HANS device. Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 1:40 PM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > > Amici, > > One nice feature that was pointed out to me when I had to make a harness decision is that Crow Enterprizes offers rewebbing of your hardware. Simply send in your harness and hardware and they will reweb it a reduced cost to a full new harness. > > They have unfortunately relocated to North Las Vegas so I can no longer stop by on the way to work at their former Anaheim location. > > http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:44 PM Robert Lang via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > Hi - if you know local autocrossers that are just starting out, offer them the old belts for free. Else, I cut the belts and recycle the metal. Seems like a shame, but what can you do. > > > > That said, I might do FIA belts next time. 8 to 10 events on the SFI belts seems to be not cost effective (calculated 4 - 5 events per year). > > > > Regards, > > Bob Lang > > > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 4:22:22 PM EST, Brian Schirano via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > whilst on the subject of cleaning things out, what does the forum do with their out of date belts/harnesses? by mid summer I will be adding another one to a box with two other sets. > > Cheers > > Brian > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 4:07 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Really Henry? It?s my recollection that when you use lights, wipers and heater you run out of gas! > > > Cheers, > > > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > > > Albuquerque NM > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that if I'm driving, in the rain, with the lights on, wipers and the heater blower...............me and my generator are screwed! > > > > > > > > Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook http://aka.ms/weboutlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Erik Jacobsen > > > > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 1:49 PM > > > > To: Greg Blake ; fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net ; Henry A. Morrison > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm with Henry in that I use the originals regularly. Haven't had one fail yet on race or street cars (now that I said that, they'll start failing left and right!)... > > > > Of course, I also have an in-house rebuilder (old Skippy skills die hard!) > > > > > > > > Jake > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 4, 2021, 02:30:14 PM CST, Henry A. Morrison via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I still use the old generators and starter motors. They have date codes on them which make them more valuable to restorers. > > > > > > > > I weeded out my collection, something like 40 of them and took them to the local starter shop who gave me some money and they might have made it back into somebody's car. Now I'm down to about 5-10 of these with dates that match my cars............... > > > > > > > > Cheers, Henry Morrison > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Outlook http://aka.ms/weboutlook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe via Fot > > > > Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:44 AM > > > > To: Greg Blake > > > > Cc: Fot > > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop cleaning > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg, if you have a scrap metal recycler near you, you can get a few to five bucks each for such electrical items. If no one wants them to use, it might be worth the trip, instead of just trashing them. JoeB > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Greg Blake via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Doing a little cleaning in the new year. Things I think are useless are going to the dump unless you want them. First on the list is a stack of old starters and generators. I?ll never use one of these in a car I build or maintain so up for grabs, you pay shipping. I?ve probably collected a dozen of each over the years. Mostly TR3/4 stuff. > > > > > > > > > > Let me know, dump run is later this week. > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Schirano > > 585-305-0349 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jan 6 08:45:44 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 07:45:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1537494971.209202.1609947945902@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks for sharing these photos. They sure are terrific. Tim, I like the mirrors on the car and the real meaty tires on those rims. Your dad had the car setup nice and your mom looks to be enjoying it. Very nice. Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: > > > Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! > > [image.jpeg] > > Thanks! > > Tim > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: > > > Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! > > [image.jpeg] > > Thanks! > > Tim > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill On 1/6/2021 10:50 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > I think Tim Suddard now owns the Mae Mims car. > Dave H. > On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: >> Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's >> school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! >> image.jpeg >> Thanks! >> >> Tim >> >> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < >> fot at autox.team.net > wrote: >> >> Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show >> Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage >> : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/17tcook17 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 01/05/2021 4:28 AM timothy cook via Fot wrote: Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! [image.jpeg] Thanks! Tim On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. 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URL: From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jan 6 10:12:04 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:12:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Sounds like you should have your pick of colors. I can offer blue Pyrotect ones. https://pyrotectstore.com/product/ultra-light-5-point-sfi-cam-lock-harness Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:59 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > > ? > On the subject of expired belts, My street TR3 has two Simpson 3" wide seat belts that are probably over 15 years old and are showing their age from daily use. If anyone has a comparable pair of lap belts that are freshly out of date for racing, or a pair of unused comparable lap belts that went out of date sitting on a shelf I would be very interested in getting them. I just do not have the money to go out and purchase a new set. 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 10:29:55 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: and I have 3 red sets of out of date G-Force, one is latch and link the other two are cam locks. All pretty new looking as they hardly see the light of day in the course of two years before going out of date Brian 585-305-0349 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:20 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Sounds like you should have your pick of colors. I can offer blue Pyrotect > ones. > > https://pyrotectstore.com/product/ultra-light-5-point-sfi-cam-lock-harness > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 6, 2021, at 11:59 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > > On the subject of expired belts, My street TR3 has two Simpson 3" wide > seat belts that are probably over 15 years old and are showing their age > from daily use. If anyone has a comparable pair of lap belts that are > freshly out of date for racing, or a pair of unused comparable lap belts > that went out of date sitting on a shelf I would be very interested in > getting them. I just do not have the money to go out and purchase a new > set. New or infrequently used expired belts would be much than what I have. > Please let me know if you have two lap belts that you don't have a use for. > > Thanks > > TeriAnn > -- > > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and > Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Wed Jan 6 11:26:26 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 18:26:26 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: That's cool, go Mom! Cheers, Henry Morrison, Salt Lake Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of timothy cook via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 5:28 AM To: Styduhar, Daniel Lee Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Donna Mae Mims for sure Here's my Mom, Margaret Cook, driving my Dad's (Mike) TR3 at driver's school at Marlboro, Maryland, Circa 1968! [image.jpeg] Thanks! Tim On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:23 PM Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot > wrote: Donna Mae in the pink TR3 circa 1965. The other picture show Donna Mae discussing strategy with Don Yenko. 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Wakeman) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 11:26:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: I should also mention the type of 3 inch seat belts I have are latch & link type, the TR3 is red with black interior. I strongly prefer 2 sets of 3" wide latch and link type, black or red. Thank you. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:13 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From jaboruch at yahoo.com Thu Jan 7 11:11:23 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:11:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I am remembering correctly, Jerry was from Chapaqua (sp?), NY (where Hillary and Bill Clinton live). Jerry raced with the SCCA in the Volvo Historic Series/ Historic Race Group. The last I knew he was town manager and you may be able to find him that way. Joe B. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2021, at 9:14 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ? > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jan 7 15:24:56 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 17:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> References: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F3AB13B-7997-4976-923E-0F34147D67CF@me.com> That?s great, Ken. If the old car doesn?t turn out to be available I?m sure we can find you another one. Not quite the same, but . . . Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2021, at 5:20 PM, KEN & MEREDYDD FRANCKE wrote: > > ? > Good news everyone. I found the car. Jerry Faiella stitl has it and its been sitting for 12 years. Unfortunately for me it was just planning to redo it. Maybe with a little luck I can talk him out of it. > > Thanks for everybody's help. > > -ken francke > > On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:11:47 AM EST, Scott Janzen wrote: > > > I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. Anyone know where it is? > A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. > > If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. > > "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002. > > I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. > > Ken Francke > 772-287-2689 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jan 9 08:46:10 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2021 15:46:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Message-ID: <588e5f65be8f519c7f245e5bf4782ccbdb1d2378@webmail> -----------------------------------------From: "Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot" To: "Friends Of Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 4 2021 12:40:54PM Subject: [Fot] Women who raced Triumphs in the early days Tom Householder, with his great breadth and depth of knowledge of early Triumphs, correctly identified Austin Davis in the photo I posted that was taken at the May 19-20, 1956 Cumberland National. The story of Austin Davis is quite interesting and you may want to read the article I wrote about him several years ago. The article appeared in the Vintage Triumph Register, the TRA Register newsletter, and TR Action magazine UK. I would like to continue with recognition of women who raced Triumphs. 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I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1503075 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM. > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jan 9 12:59:54 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 14:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Count me in Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Jan 9 13:11:42 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 20:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) References: <123850491.239992.1610223102491.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> Count me in for a dozen! Large size please .? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Saturday, January 9, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 13:12:00 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 15:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Put me down for 2 Cheers Mike Deweerd On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Count me in > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot > wrote: > > > > ?Hello all, > > > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were > based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody > the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I > needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might > want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and > $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? > They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. > The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original > supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Gee > > > > This is the back: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo > though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 9 14:01:45 2021 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 21:01:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> , Message-ID: I still have the raw art files? for both FOT variations? the original as well as the approved file. Greg Petrolati Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael Deweerd via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 12:13 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: Amici Triumphi Subject: Re: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts Put me down for 2 Cheers Mike Deweerd On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: Count me in Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot > wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com -- Mike Deweerd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sat Jan 9 15:49:56 2021 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 22:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <905302824.146156.1610232596481@mail.yahoo.com> I'm in, 1 large please. Rick Parent "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 02:29:29 PM EST, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mereken at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 7 15:10:18 2021 From: mereken at bellsouth.net (KEN & MEREDYDD FRANCKE) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1966 Triumph TR4A racecar - anyone know where it is? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <332861646.5121382.1610057418580@mail.yahoo.com> Good news everyone. I found the car. Jerry Faiella stitl has it and its been sitting for 12 years. Unfortunately for me it was just planning to redo it. Maybe with a little luck I can talk him out of it. Thanks for everybody's help. -ken francke On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:11:47 AM EST, Scott Janzen wrote: I got this note yesterday, from a former Triumph owner/racer looking for info on a car he sold a while back. ?Anyone know where it is?A photo is attached that was taken at Moroso, and there?s a bit of history below from the former owner, who is copied on this message. If you know of anything, please keep FOT in the loop so that we know if it was found. "I'm trying to located a 1966 TR4A that I sold in CT to "Jerry Fiella" or something close to that name, who lived somewhere in New York State. ?My wife and I both raced the car, first in Florida and Georgia, Sebring, Palm Beach, Roebling Road, and then in CT, Lime Rock, Pocono, before selling it around Sept of 2002.? I vaguely remember hearing that the new owner had installed a new roll cage to conform to current SCCA requirements, so the car may look slightly different. Ken Francke772-287-2689 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TR4atMoroso.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 267438 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jan 9 15:57:43 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 15:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: What timing.? I have one of them from 2007 and wore it just two days ago.? I'd take a couple more. mjb. From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 16:34:11 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 15:34:11 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> Chuck, Count me in for 2 in XL. Could be a real ?bang up? theme for this year?s Kastner Cup! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: > > ? > Put me down for 2 > Cheers > Mike Deweerd > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> Count me in >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello all, >> > >> > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> > >> > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> > >> > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Chuck Gee >> > >> > This is the back: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >> >> > -- > Mike Deweerd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sat Jan 9 17:19:37 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 19:19:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> References: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick McCurdy for one ladge! > On Jan 9, 2021, at 6:38 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ?Chuck, > > Count me in for 2 in XL. > > Could be a real ?bang up? theme for this year?s Kastner Cup! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Put me down for 2 >> Cheers >> Mike Deweerd >> >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:10 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>> Count me in >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Hello all, >>> > >>> > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> > >>> > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> > >>> > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Chuck Gee >>> > >>> > This is the back: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > fot at autox.team.net >>> > >>> > http://www.fot-racing.com >>> > >>> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com >>> >>> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 17:47:29 2021 From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 00:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: <57B4022C-4024-4BC7-A5FB-BAE1593BB071@gmail.com> Message-ID: <996592534.143472.1610239649626@mail.yahoo.com> We're certainly interested!1 2xl and 1 large Jake and Karen Jacobsen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 6:21 PM, Rick McCurdy via Fot wrote: _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 19:42:51 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 18:42:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <996592534.143472.1610239649626@mail.yahoo.com> References: <996592534.143472.1610239649626@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3553E088-65CB-4626-BB61-29DC751455DA@gmail.com> All we need are white pants and black belts to complete the Kastner Team look! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Erik Jacobsen wrote: > > ?We're certainly interested! > 1 2xl and 1 large > > Jake and Karen Jacobsen > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 6:21 PM, Rick McCurdy via Fot > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kekjacobsen at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jan 9 21:24:56 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 23:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C94B2C6-50F0-4FBE-B280-561552E7DC46@seiri.com> +1 in large for Bownes > On Jan 9, 2021, at 17:58, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?What timing. I have one of them from 2007 and wore it just two days ago. I'd take a couple more. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 02:28:39 2021 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 09:28:39 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 08:46:13 2021 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 07:46:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: > Nice! > But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view > of > recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? > > "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:06:52 2021 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: As an alternative, just don't buy one. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:47 AM Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee > Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which > manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing > it? If you want something different, design your own. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view >> of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 10 09:07:46 2021 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:07:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> Well said Kas, From: Kas Kastner via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:46 AM To: John Davies Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 10 09:18:43 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Makes perfect sense when we know the backstory. Thank you! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 09:19:34 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:19:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> <606C5F70DB7C406CAB3191C03F870C12@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: Hear, hear! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 10:17 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > Well said Kas, > > *From:* Kas Kastner via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:46 AM > *To:* John Davies > *Cc:* FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 > > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee > Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured > fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want > something different, design your own. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view >> of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Sun Jan 10 09:21:30 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 References: <245886059.385986.1610295690421.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <245886059.385986.1610295690421@mail.yahoo.com> John: ? Huh? ?(You don?t ?have to buy a?t -shirt ) . ? Btw. ?The shirt is?just??perfect for my son he?is a holder of a Federal?Explosive License ( FEL)?Fully ?vetted??and certified. ? ?Just ?Perfect! ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Sunday, January 10, 2021,?John Davies via Fot??wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 09:56:59 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <549585968.195447.1610297819811@mail.yahoo.com> Seriously??? Glen Efinger Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 10:19:11 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:19:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <915E6A31-016E-4D70-8D6D-5757D711CBDE@gmail.com> Chuck - Yes, two XL in Long Sleeve Please & one Medium, Please, Please! Florida sun has made my arms too toasty, need to keep the sun off. Thanks, Terry ?64 Spit Racer ?68 TR 250 > On Jan 9, 2021, at 14:40, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Jan 10 10:37:07 2021 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2086746705.410637.1610300227457@mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Chuck-? Although the T shirt was before my time (by about 8 years), I am a sucker for all things Triumphs and Kastner, and also for T shirts in general.? Please count me in for one XL.? Thanks!-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 2:26 pm Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Jan 10 11:13:37 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:13:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Please us down for: 2 Extra Large 1 Medium What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride. Thanks to Kas for the back story. Paul Ricco 813-716-1931 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > ? > The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >> Nice! >> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >> >> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Jan 10 11:44:15 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:44:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> References: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Message-ID: If we are taking orders, put me down for 1 as well. > On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > ?Please us down for: > > 2 Extra Large > 1 Medium > > What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride. > > Thanks to Kas for the back story. > > Paul Ricco > 813-716-1931 > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: >>> Nice! >>> But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of >>> recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? >>> >>> "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! >>> >>> John >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 >>> >>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >>> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 11:48:55 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> References: <2283FF3A-0407-48F0-841B-33E5E908BD69@att.net> Message-ID: <2138968828.245927.1610304535884@mail.yahoo.com> Yes I would like to get in for 2, one medium, one large. Re the previous explosive comment that got a few replies, including mine, I didn't realize at first that he is across the pond, different views on some things, and also I just happened to read the post immediately after spending an hour & a half @ the shooting range w/the GF on this fine Sunday morning, in the free state of Florida, in the free, for now, USA...No offense to the OP. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Kas Kastner Cc: FOT ; John Davies Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2021 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Please us down for: 2 Extra Large1 Medium What a great piece of FOT history that should be worn with pride.? Thanks to Kas for the back story.? Paul Ricco813-716-1931 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: ?The original?shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American?Explosives which manufactured?fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something?different, design?your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 11:53:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 13:53:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Expired Belts (was Shop cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <0BAB57FF-2D35-4BB1-9952-7B8BE2CF5C8E@me.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn - you out there? I'm going to the post office tomorrow (Monday 11th) and can you a set of red latch and link belts Let me know Brian 585-305-0349 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 1:27 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > I should also mention the type of 3 inch seat belts I have are latch & > link type, the TR3 is red with black interior. I strongly prefer 2 sets of > 3" wide latch and link type, black or red. Thank you. > > TeriAnn > -- > > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and > Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Sun Jan 10 16:21:01 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 23:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 References: <1590149743.718345.1610320861259.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1590149743.718345.1610320861259@mail.yahoo.com> A lot of folks like explosives....and I agree with Kas! Here's a pic of the "hollywood shot" atvtbr graduation of a 6-week breacher course I instructed. Class consisted of mostly SEALs and a few Army Spec Op guys. Love getting paid to blow stuff up! M. Huovinen On Sunday, January 10, 2021 John Davies via Fot wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! 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But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 11 04:21:08 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:21:08 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <11cb01d6e732$fba42cf0$f2ec86d0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <002701d6e80b$dc8c8810$95a59830$@gmail.com> I like explosive stuff. When I was a child we collected the left overs from Sylvester and built bigger bombs and blew them up. Quite dangerous for children but some fun for us at that time. Happy to grew up, when there wasn?t Nanny times as these days. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Kas Kastner via Fot Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Januar 2021 16:46 An: John Davies Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 The original shirt was done up by my then attorney and TR-4 racer Lee Herbert. He had a company named American Explosives which manufactured fireworks. It is just a "T" shirt, why think about changing it? If you want something different, design your own. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:29 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: Nice! But may I respectfully and from a non-American viewpoint, suggest in view of recent events, that "explosives" is avoided? "Experts", "Expertise" would be better! John -----Original Message----- From: Fot > On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 09 January 2021 19:26 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 11 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 09:47:56 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:47:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:56:06 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:56:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> References: <030411FA-63DA-4197-9F2C-E9718CD829C7@gmail.com> <8F34EC2F-28F8-4FA6-9621-063038695C86@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. > On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. > > There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:19:25 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:19:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool Message-ID: Hello Amici, Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... [image: Vitesse Trans-Am and F 5000 crews KBR (Large).jpg] White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:32:25 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:32:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> References: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> Thanks Bill. I?ll be delivering yours personally to Maui. Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Ponostyle wrote: > > ?I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. > > I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. > > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. >> >> There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> >>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> >>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Gee >>> >>> This is the back: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jan 11 11:35:30 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C06E1C6-EA6E-4277-90E2-1385AD53189F@me.com> Historic perspective shows us the way, again. White is the way to go, and retro cool - just like all of us (hah). Scott ?68 GT6 On Jan 11, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 11:38:12 2021 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:38:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BF7817B-1859-4BAB-A25E-C90855226888@comcast.net> Is Brophy in the picture? > On Jan 11, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 11 11:41:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 18:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding References: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges.? I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments.? The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2.? When it came back it looked like a new gauge.? They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem.? In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions.? It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts.? I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system.? With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done.? I have used Nisonger for instrument rebuilding for over 30 years, with similar results. Best regards, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Jan 11 11:56:35 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:56:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding In-Reply-To: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2028554151.979175.1610390466978.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2028554151.979175.1610390466978@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack, We have also had an excellent experience with Nisonger. They recently did a full set for a car that we are working on. We are very satisfied. Paul Ricco > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges. I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments. The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2. When it came back it looked like a new gauge. They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem. In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. > > When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions. It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts. I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system. With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. > > I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done. I have used Nisonger for instrument rebuilding for over 30 years, with similar results. > > Best regards, > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 11 12:54:55 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:54:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauge Rebuilding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19A09577-ABFA-4741-9682-7CEFDA059F56@wi.rr.com> I concur with all of your comments Jack. When I got my Austin Healy tach back it was like getting a new one. Allen Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > > ?Jack, > > We have also had an excellent experience with Nisonger. They recently did a full set for a car that we are working on. We are very satisfied. > > Paul Ricco > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I hope this may help some of you looking for sources for rebuilding gauges. I recently had the tachometer in my 1967 Morgan 4/4 rebuilt by Nisonger Instruments. The tach was kind of ratty looking and the calibration was off by a factor of 2. When it came back it looked like a new gauge. They had replaced the lens and chrome bezel and fixed the calibration problem. In addition, they also converted it over so that if I ever decide to replace my points distributor with an electronic ignition system, the tach will work correctly. >> >> When I received the tach, I was confused by the wiring instructions. It was much simpler, and did not use some of the old parts. I called Peter Bayer, and he was very helpful in walking me through the steps of the new wiring system. With that bit of help, I installed it and WOW, it's great having a tach again that really shows the true engine speed. >> >> I'm not trying to tell anybody who to use, just giving my impression of a job well done. 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URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Jan 11 13:15:14 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 20:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts References: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do?6 large?and 6 xl. ? Mordy? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 11, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week.? I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this.? Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:23:22 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:23:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> References: <8286005A-EBCB-4C59-AEED-A059B11C5C0B@ponostyle.com> <49AA3D5C-0CA6-4D8F-AC1C-9F3C34F2F6EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7483C521-D545-4268-84A0-A3823DD1FF98@gmail.com> Actually I?m in SoCal at the moment, though you could drop by Maui and let me know how the remodel on my house there is going. Diane is diabetic, we won?t be getting on any airplanes until she gets vaccinated. I, on the other hand, have the immune system of a badger?and old, grumpy one. > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Thanks Bill. I?ll be delivering yours personally to Maui. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Ponostyle wrote: >> >> ?I?ll take three in XL. While you?re getting a quote you might consider offering a more garage-friendly color than white. I know that?s a pain in the ass to coordinate, but white Ts die fast in my collection. If you add a color like dark grey, blue, or best of all that grey speckle that hides the occasional oil spot, I?ll take three more, same size. >> >> I understand Keith?s concern, there?s a tension between honoring the past and understanding that nostalgia includes some nasty attitudes, as my collection of treasured Norton posters and the Vargas Girl painted on the fuel tank of my 880 Sprint amply demonstrate. As always, the solutions to the tension are personal. I don?t try to explain the history of my posters to people who think they are offensive, I know that to me they are part of an inside joke and my long love of motorcycles. The idea those posters sold--that beautiful women would overlook my teenage geekiness and want to hang around with me because I had a motorcycle--is pure comedy. They crossed the street to avoid me. People who see me wearing the T-shirt will have no understanding of the history, and if they cared about my attitude (I?m a geezer--they don?t) they might worry about me a bit, but that doesn?t mean it isn?t worth celebrating. >> >> >>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:47 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. >>> >>> There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 13:37:58 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:37:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts In-Reply-To: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1195701852.849185.1610396114175@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All, I?m only doing white short sleeve this time. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do 6 large and 6 xl. > > Mordy > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Monday, January 11, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week. I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. > > There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > > > ?Hello all, > > > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Gee > > > > This is the back: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 11 15:05:22 2021 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:05:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> References: <123850491.239992.1610223102491.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <123850491.239992.1610223102491@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Mordy? The Graphic designer is not long gone? he?s merely lurking in the PNW. I have a folder of all FOT art work files I had a hand in. If Steve Belfer would call me at 971-241-8354 I?ll give him a rundown of what I?ve got. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mordy Dunst via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 12:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject) Count me in for a dozen! Large size please . Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Saturday, January 9, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. Thanks, Chuck Gee This is the back: This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 20:45:14 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:45:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> All, I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys were accurate in their portrayal). Chuck > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 04:57:03 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 05:57:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter Brock told me that if you watch the movie as an historic documentary, you'll be disappointed as not everything is accurate. If you watch it as Hollywood entertainment, then it would be much more enjoyable. After all, they did not show Peter or Kas in the movie and both had a major influence on Shelby history, whether Ford or Hollywood wants to acknowledge that or not. They definitely wouldn't add said shirts to the big screen, although it would have been ultra cool to see an extra on set wearing one... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > All, > > I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep > manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other > Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, > the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy > driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories > intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had > everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the > movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. > > Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, > they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys > were accurate in their portrayal). > > Chuck > > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's > Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box > driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the > short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in > the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, > Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of > course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Chuck On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:15 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: ?Ill take another dozen In Black? If you can do?6 large?and 6 xl. ? Mordy? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 11, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Hello all, There is strong interest in these shirts so we are getting a quote this week.? I?ve got a list of everyone who responded and what sizes/quantities you wanted so once we have a price, I?ll let you all know and we can sort out the details. There is still time so let me know if anyone else would like in on this.? Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Dennis Sent from my iPhone From kaskastner at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 10:04:26 2021 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:04:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: That was indeed a funny couple hours. Everyone in the Triumph pits was wearing one of the shirts and it was not until about ten o'clock in the AM that I noticed it on Charlie Gates who was driving my TR-250- (and won) in the modified category. I was so embarrassed, not easy to do. My little mind was busy elsewhere. I have a photo of Charlie leaning up against a post in the paddock and the shirt is visible. (my first notice of it.) *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > All, > > I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep > manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other > Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, > the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy > driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories > intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had > everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the > movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. > > Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, > they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys > were accurate in their portrayal). > > Chuck > > On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's > Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box > driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the > short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in > the photo. > > The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, > Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of > course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... > > > > > White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:40:26 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:40:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cool In-Reply-To: References: <80AB1007-787A-44F7-9FCD-A8E07B582360@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting to note the Cobra shirt can still be bought off the shelf. [image: yhst-13525187779972_2268_86451074.jpg] [image: yhst-13525187779972_2268_86488646.jpg] *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 9:05 AM Kas Kastner wrote: > That was indeed a funny couple hours. Everyone in the Triumph pits was > wearing one of the shirts and it was not until about ten o'clock in the AM > that I noticed it on Charlie Gates who was driving my TR-250- (and won) in > the modified category. I was so embarrassed, not easy to do. My little > mind was busy elsewhere. I have a photo of Charlie leaning up against a > post in the paddock and the shirt is visible. (my first notice of it.) > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:48 PM Chuck Gee via Fot > wrote: > >> All, >> >> I was just rereading the story about these shirts in one of Kas? prep >> manuals (the one with Uncle Jack on the cover, Racing, Winning, and other >> Myths, page 16 or so). These shirts showed up at the 1966 Daytona race, >> the very same race featured in a recently popular car movie about some guy >> driving a GT 40. Interesting, at least to me, how so many stories >> intertwine when it comes to racing in the 60s. To think, Shelby had >> everything on the line at that race (at least if you believe what?s in the >> movie) and Kas? guys busting his chops with a knock off Shelby shirt. >> >> Here?s to you Kas! To bad the cameras didn?t pan a little left or right, >> they might have caught one of these shirts on film (assuming the movie guys >> were accurate in their portrayal). >> >> Chuck >> >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Hello Amici, >> >> Why white? Here is the Kastner-Brophy Team in the early 70's. Chuck's >> Candy Box is visible behind the group. Kas in the middle, the Candy Box >> driver Carl Swanson to his left. My Spitfire driver, Doug Brown is the >> short, very stout guy to Kas's right. Kas will know the rest of the guys in >> the photo. >> >> The whole team is wearing white shirts with the KBR logo. The cool kids, >> Kas and Carl are sporting the white pants and black belts. The coolest of >> course, is Kas rolling with the Ray-Ban shades... >> >> >> >> >> White was clearly Kas's color of choice; cars, shirts, pants! >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > From gt6steve at aol.com Thu Jan 14 05:46:37 2021 From: gt6steve at aol.com (gt6steve) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <262139464.1111335.1610628397537@mail.yahoo.com> Can I get two XLs? ? Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 6:25 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: Hello all, Thanks to everyone for the great response.? This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it!? We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping.? They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail.? Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40.? If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05.? You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities.? Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct.? If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list.? Once all this is finalized we will place the order.? I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment.? Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut.? Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. Thanks, Chuck > On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. > > I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. > > Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Gee > > This is the back: > > > > > > This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 11:27:49 2021 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 11:27:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for doing this Chuck. I?ve found it interesting that I couldn?t help mentally adding to the images I have of the list members I?ve never met by the choices of t-shirt sizes. Hopefully it will help when I meet fellow racers. We have a group that stretches far and wide and it appears to apply to t-shirts too. ;) Bud > On Jan 13, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Hello all, > > Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! > > We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. > > I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! > > Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Fri Jan 15 11:59:31 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:59:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Dale Bates Message-ID: Dale Bates a Triumph guy had a shop north of Santa Cruz California . Anyone know if he is still around? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 13:02:32 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:02:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Dale Bates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16C1660B-91F5-4CC2-B5A1-A45FDDC27FEF@comcast.net> Dale passed away 3 years ago. I bought my cars from him and later acquired most of his parts collection. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2021, at 10:59 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > Dale Bates a Triumph guy had a shop north of Santa Cruz California . Anyone know if he is still around? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jan 15 13:29:53 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:29:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2021 information available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5abfefc0-40cb-97fa-1e7b-b689305fca4a@bradakis.com> I am going to work hard at attending.? Not sure if I will be able to get enough time off work to drive up there, visit with some friends in the area, or if I will just fly in, watch the races then fly home.? I think the last time I was in Portland was for a VTR convention a hundred years or so ago. mjb. From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 15:33:47 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 22:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake Hardware - TR-3 to TR-6 References: <376626003.9969.1610750028388.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <376626003.9969.1610750028388@mail.yahoo.com> Folks, I admit it...? I am a pack rat.? I also make lists!? Sometimes I feel like the Ace hardware for miscellaneous small Triumph parts.? I have owned 29 Triumphs (TR-2 through TR-6) and parted out about 10 of them to support my 25 year racing habit.? Anyway, I have been cleaning & organizing my garage (which happens on rare occasions) and I always have to ask myself, "is this worth keeping or not".? I'm now throwing out a lot of stuff that I would have kept 25 years ago. "just in case I might need it".? And in fact, when I was racing and restoring old Triumphs, I used many of the parts I had kept.? I have now set up 2 boxes on my work bench, one for steel throw away, and one for aluminum throw away.? When they get full, I will make a trip to the scrap metal yard. Today I was going through one of my organizers that was filled with small brake parts, some fitting all models and years, for both front & rear brakes.? See the attached picture.? If anyone is interested in this stuff, contact me offline.? You don't need to explain what you intend to do with it.? All I ask is that you send me a check for what it costs me to ship. I also have a large number of good drain plugs as used for the sump, transmission (2), differential (2), and probably some other places.? I have about 30.? Attached is a picture of some of them (I found quite a few more after I took the picture).? They all have good square tops, used for installing and removing the plug with a Crescent wrench.? Whoops, No, just kidding.? Those which had been rounded off with a Crescent wrench or vice grips, I threw out.? These are what is left, no doubt installed by a qualified mechanic using a square wrench or socket. Same deal, if you want any or all of these, all I ask is that you send me a check for whatever it costs me to ship them. If I don't get any response in the next week or so, all of it goes in the steel throw away box and off to the scrap yard. Thanks for your few minutes of attention while I had some fun with this. Jack Wheeler(910) 687-0211 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-15-21 - Misc TR Brake Hardware.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 3051622 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Tim Cook From jaboruch at yahoo.com Fri Jan 15 18:54:35 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 01:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shocks In-Reply-To: <72496DDE-1F04-479F-8D87-7FD9E70BF9B4@gmail.com> References: <72496DDE-1F04-479F-8D87-7FD9E70BF9B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <624934614.37386.1610762075222@mail.yahoo.com> Tim, it has been many years since I bought them, but I think it is the Koni 8212 or 8216 coilovers that I have at the rear of my TR3.? I suggest that you buy them from a race prep shop that can valve them correctly for the type of racing that you are doing.? I think I got them from Truechoice back then.? Joe B. On Friday, January 15, 2021, 07:57:59 PM EST, Tim Cook via Fot wrote: Hello All: Seeking advice for adjustable coil-over rear shocks for my TR8 racer under construction. Any strong favorites out there? I?m currently looking at 8212 Koni?s and QA1 DD series. Dimensions seem to work. Both mention Drag Racing. Right choice? Go! Thanks, Tim Cook _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 18:55:12 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 17:55:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update please read In-Reply-To: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> References: <8A5C0030-9B2A-4BD5-A2AE-48464DFAA62F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! Chuck > On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! > > We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. > > I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! > > Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > > >> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >> >> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >> >> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Gee >> >> This is the back: >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >> >> From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat Jan 16 10:57:35 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 17:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Small treasures Message-ID: Yay! Found the GT6 racer's crankshaft in Dad's basement! Scott(B.) [Image] Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sat Jan 16 11:48:25 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 18:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1311989934.180585.1610822905582@mail.yahoo.com> All good recommendations Paul.? I store my paints and other flammable solvents in plastic storage bins in a small (3'x5'x5') shed outside.? That way they are not in the garage where they may be ignited or contribute to a fire if one occurred.? With the storage bins, there is containment, should one of the containers develop a leak. Make sure that battery switches on the race cars are kept off, when in the garage. If you have a battery powered winch in the trailer, be sure to have a battery disconnect switch or disconnect the battery all together, when not actively using the winch.?? Joe B. On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 01:32:28 PM EST, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkettler1 at charter.net Sat Jan 16 13:16:41 2021 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:16:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b501d6ec44$81571ef0$84055cd0$@charter.net> Paul, I have a good first aid kit in my shop. I don't have one, but an inexpensive eye wash station might be good to have depending on what you are doing. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of Paul Ricco via Fot Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 12:31 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From jsukey at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 13:34:36 2021 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 15:34:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! Jason On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that > could have sparks > 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide > monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) > > Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I > though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work > areas. > > Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful > for shop area/garage safety? > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. And a phone to call for help. :) > On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Paul, > Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. > > The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. > > He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. > > I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. > > I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. > > > When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. > > Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! > > Jason > >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >> FOT, >> >> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >> >> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >> >> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >> >> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >> >> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >> >> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >> >> Paul Ricco >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Jan 17 05:13:52 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 07:13:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. > > Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. > > Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. > > The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. > > And a phone to call for help. :) > > > >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Paul, >> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >> >> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >> >> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >> >> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >> >> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >> >> >> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >> >> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >> >> Jason >> >>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>> FOT, >>> >>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>> >>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>> >>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>> >>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>> >>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>> >>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>> >>> Paul Ricco >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Jan 17 06:08:31 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> References: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> Message-ID: <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Good advice, all of it. > In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> >> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >> >> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >> >> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >> >> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >> >> And a phone to call for help. :) >> >> >> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Paul, >>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>> >>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>> >>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>> >>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>> >>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>> >>> >>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>> >>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>> >>> Jason >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>> FOT, >>>> >>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>> >>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>> >>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>> >>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>> >>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>> >>>> Paul Ricco >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 17 06:28:11 2021 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:28:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> References: <37EF0086-1B48-4B32-A77B-C6DDDA2E5598@aol.com> <1247A648-F134-4DCA-A8EC-EAC27676D9A4@aol.com> Message-ID: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM To: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) Rick McCurdy Newburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. And a phone to call for help. :) On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul, Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! Jason On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 07:28:45 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:28:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > From: Rick McCurdy via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > To: Phil Gott > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Good advice, all of it. >> In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >>> >>> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >>> >>> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >>> >>> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >>> >>> And a phone to call for help. :) >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Paul, >>>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>>> >>>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>>> >>>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>>> >>>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>>> >>>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>>> >>>> >>>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>>> >>>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT, >>>>> >>>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>>> >>>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>>> >>>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>>> >>>>> Paul Ricco >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rick.parent at att.net Sun Jan 17 08:06:45 2021 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> For deep cuts super glue is the best! Rick Parent "Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences" On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:29:39 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 08:35:26 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 10:35:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: nice quote Rick "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequences*" On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 10:18 AM Rick Parent via Fot wrote: > For deep cuts super glue is the best! > > Rick Parent > > "*Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of > consequences*" > > > > On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 09:29:39 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place > by electrical tape is the shop solution. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself > with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things > maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > *From:* Rick McCurdy via Fot > *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > *To:* Phil Gott > *Cc:* Friends Of Triumph > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I > always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop > something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. > (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror > save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, > suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down > the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, > sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to > grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > > ?Good advice, all of it. > In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 > gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for > dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a > hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside > my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. > > Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are > some of the most common causes of liability claims. > > Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from > taking them off to see better. > > The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. > > And a phone to call for help. :) > > > > On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Paul, > Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected > and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher > and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. > > The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type > fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while > you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. > > He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock > down small flare ups. > > I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work > has cooled completely. > > I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. > > > When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if > possible. > > Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! > > Jason > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot > wrote: > > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that > could have sparks > 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide > monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) > > Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I > though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work > areas. > > Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful > for shop area/garage safety? > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 08:43:32 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 07:43:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1302165898.209423.1610896005399@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C2F8015-A8BB-44CE-9358-6397AB5146F6@gmail.com> I always stock these in my shop and house. > Amazon.com : Splinter Out Splinter Remover 20/Box - 5 Pack : Beauty > > https://www.amazon.com/Splinter-Out-Remover-20-box/dp/B00P85T2S8 From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 08:56:42 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 15:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys, been reading this thread on fire suppression. I have decades of experience in loss control and with OSHA, NFPA and other government regs. Interesting reads if you're having trouble sleeping. Requirements for this equipment can be found in OHSA 1910.157 and a fair number of NFPA standards which are referenced in OSHA standards therefore enforceable. First, using water as an extinguishing agent around any welding equipment is ill advised. Welders and other machine tools require lots of electricity, particularly if you have 220/3 phase or higher power. Water for quenching is one thing but for fires around electrical circuits is something else. If you don't want to expose your equipment to chemicals or water fire blankets will work for small incipient stage fires. All fire extinguishers should be Class ABC and placed at either 50 ft or 70ft depending on the function of the business. With welding it will most likely be 50 ft. If you are working with magnesium then a Class D extinguisher is required. Size is not specified but for industrial 5 lb is the norm for portable extinguishers. Inspection of fire extinguishers is multi level. Every month the employer must document the inspection of the extinguisher to insure the and extinguisher is stored in it's designated place, there is no damage or missing parts, and pressure is adequate or in the "green". Each year the extinguisher must be inspected by a certified technician for a variety of items but mostly for weight and certification of the extinguisher. First aid kits are not a regulatory requirement unless you are more than a certain time away from medical assistance (clinic or EMT) but are always a great idea. Make up your own kit rather than purchase kits that have items you will never use and are generally short on high use items. Super glue and terri/steri strips are a good item to include for small cuts. Knuckle and finger tip band aids are good to have as well. One of the interesting things about government regs is they frequently contradict themselves or are confusing. As for fire extinguishers 1910.157 requires fire extinguishers but also prohibit any one who is not trained annually from using an extinguisher. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Past employers generally billed me out at $300/hr but FOT people get a huge discount. On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 9:29:53 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 09:30:46 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 08:30:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For anyone with a shop that may get fire safety inspections, I highly recommend that you go overboard with fire extinguishers. If two are required, buy four or five. Definitely get the right types based on the potential hazards in each space. Overkill. Mount properly to local codes with proper signage. 1. You can?t have too many extinguishers. 2. If your inspector finds an inadvertent code violation, whether it be an oversight on your part or that of some employee, etc., his/her enforcement measures may be profoundly affected by his/her impression of your overall safety efforts. Nothing impresses a fire marshal more than up-to-date, well placed, adequate fire extinguishers! It can make the difference between getting shut down, the invitation of other inspectors for permit/code violations, a huge fine, a formal written warning, or just getting a friendly heads up. Those extra extinguishers and their subsequent service, may have just paid for themselves. And in a fire, they may pay for themselves many times over. Over the decades, in various shops and stages I have worked at, I have seen many a fire inspection. It was always some real in-your-face stupid violation by management that wasn?t on the ball about fire safety, that got a marshal riled up and on a rampage. In my shop, I bought bigger, better, and more, than required by code. And I took the time to properly hang them to code. And I bought a huge commercial first aid kit and mounted it in clear sight. It?s overkill because it?s the right thing to do and it?s the smart thing to do. From horizonracing at msn.com Sun Jan 17 09:31:15 2021 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 16:31:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BLACKLINE LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What?s your application? Car ? The ? torson? design in the standard Quaife is good for low HP cars but inadequate for higher Hp cars . 3D brand clutch style is my go to ! Regards T Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: ? Amici Can anyone enlighten me on the Chinese knock off quaife LSD called Blackline? it is for all intended purposes identical to the quaife but price. I've just stumbled across one for sale brand new and wanted some input as to quality. Anyone can make a copy with a CNC but it comes down to the materials used in the construction My morals are fighting with my wallet on this and I was hoping someone has used this LSD for good or bad. Thanks in advance -- Mike Deweerd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Jan 17 09:55:45 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question and related... In-Reply-To: <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> <05543A31-2722-4D10-80D2-7AF2D229F00C@gmail.com> <2009141231.336068.1610899002963@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <639429130.1485903.1610902545529@mail.yahoo.com> Another point that should be mentioned re fire bottles, never, ever, trust a fire bottle w/a plastic neck.Like the wally-world 2 1/2 pounders; I don't know if they're still on the market, they're junk, unless much improved.They have a history of failure to go poof, while reading in the green.I had one real-world failure & there have been many reports of the same. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Husmann via Fot To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Bob Kramer Cc: Friends Of Triumph Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2021 10:56 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question Hey guys, been reading this thread on fire suppression. I have decades of experience in loss control and with OSHA, NFPA and other government regs. Interesting reads if you're having trouble sleeping. Requirements for this equipment can be found in OHSA 1910.157 and a fair number of NFPA standards which are referenced in OSHA standards therefore enforceable. First, using water as an extinguishing agent around any welding equipment is ill advised. Welders and other machine tools require lots of electricity, particularly if you have 220/3 phase or higher power. Water for quenching is one thing but for fires around electrical circuits is something else. If you don't want to expose your equipment to chemicals or water fire blankets will work for small incipient stage fires. All fire extinguishers should be Class ABC and placed at either 50 ft or 70ft depending on the function of the business. With welding it will most likely be 50 ft. If you are working with magnesium then a Class D extinguisher is required. Size is not specified but for industrial 5 lb is the norm for portable extinguishers. Inspection of fire extinguishers is multi level. Every month the employer must document the inspection of the extinguisher to insure the and extinguisher is stored in it's designated place, there is no damage or missing parts, and pressure is adequate or in the "green". Each year the extinguisher must be inspected by a certified technician for a variety of items but mostly for weight and certification of the extinguisher. First aid kits are not a regulatory requirement unless you are more than a certain time away from medical assistance (clinic or EMT) but are always a great idea. Make up your own kit rather than purchase kits that have items you will never use and are generally short on high use items. Super glue and terri/steri strips are a good item to include for small cuts. Knuckle and finger tip band aids are good to have as well. One of the interesting things about government regs is they frequently contradict themselves or are confusing. As for fire extinguishers 1910.157 requires fire extinguishers but also prohibit any one who is not trained annually from using an extinguisher. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Past employers generally billed me out at $300/hr but FOT people get a huge discount. On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 9:29:53 AM EST, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Band Aids? Those are for the house. A strip of paper towels held in place by electrical tape is the shop solution. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: ? My lighthearted contribution to this important thread.Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing.?From: Rick McCurdy via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AMTo: Phil Gott Cc: Friends Of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question?I?ll add to the pile. In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy.?No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day.?The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves.?(Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?)??Rick McCurdyNewburgh, NY On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: ?Good advice, all of it. In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! Phil Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: ? ? Sounds a bit silly, but a broom.? ? Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. ? Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. ? The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. ? And a phone to call for help. :) ? ? On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: ? Paul,? Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. ? The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. ? He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. ? I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. ? I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. ? ? When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. ? Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! ? Jason ? On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: FOT, I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment.? As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts.? It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment.? However, safety equipment is not always as fun.? Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive.? While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time.? Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment.? Including: 1.? Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind 2.? High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track.? Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20.? Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire.? However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. 3.? Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered 4.? Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks 5.? New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents.? Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? Paul Ricco _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 09:59:52 2021 From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:59:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since it sounds like many of us on this list have the same issue with cutting themselves in the shop on some kind of rusty metal, may I suggest that the next time you see your doctor, make sure to get a tetanus shot. I'm due for one this year, so when I go in to see my PCP next month, I'll make sure to mention it to him. On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments > with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a > lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. > > We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and > car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, > safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty > smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses > before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car > dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need > to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to > make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the > right places. > > Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: > > 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind > 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, > including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires > can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking > water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the > burning oil all over really quickly. > 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that > things should be covered > 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that > could have sparks > 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide > monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) > > Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I > though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work > areas. > > Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful > for shop area/garage safety? > > Paul Ricco > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dbm.spitfire at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 10:37:19 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 09:37:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BLACKLINE LSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D5E2839-262E-4884-A031-36D97B38B6D2@ponostyle.com> You beat me to it. In my experience Quaife LSD might be nice to have for some reason in a street car but is fundamentally useless for racing. Yes I?ve raced with one, no, I haven?t tried them again and I put the pointless one I had in the street TR3 I?m slowly building. The discussions here used to be Detroit locker vs. clutch style LSD, I?ve had both of these. If you don?t mind having the rear end do part of the driving, then lockers are fine, but I prefer to be nominally in charge. In short, there are cheaper alternatives, ranging from welding, to a quick hand on the handbrake, to Quaife, to weird little devices that are 80 percent fraud, but there is no substitute for an honest to god LSD. > On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot wrote: > > What?s your application? Car ? > > The ? torson? design in the standard Quaife is good for low HP cars but inadequate for higher Hp cars . > 3D brand clutch style is my go to ! > > Regards > T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Michael Deweerd via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> Amici >> Can anyone enlighten me on the Chinese knock off quaife LSD called Blackline? >> it is for all intended purposes identical to the quaife but price. >> I've just stumbled across one for sale brand new and wanted some input as to quality. >> Anyone can make a copy with a CNC but it comes down to the materials used in the construction >> My morals are fighting with my wallet on this and I was hoping someone has used this LSD for good or bad. >> Thanks in advance >> >> -- >> Mike Deweerd >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sun Jan 17 12:35:03 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 14:35:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question In-Reply-To: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> References: <27404EB026084FFDBBDDC9F7BA407B08@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <7AC60E8F-B0CF-487C-A6DA-28D675833E9C@yahoo.com> Something that most first aid kits don?t have as a product called Quick Clot. This is used by military and first responders to help control severe bleeding. It is also at most beaches on Cape Cod, since white sharks appear in numbers each summer and fall. I carry it in my boat, since if fishing miles offshore it will take time for medical help to arrive in the event of a severe bleed. Quick clot is a protein and has a shelf life, so pay attention to expiration dates. Joe B Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > My lighthearted contribution to this important thread. > Band Aids, lots of Band Aids seems I?m always cutting or poking myself with something sharp. Tylenol for the aches and pain of age related things maybe I shouldn?t be doing. > > From: Rick McCurdy via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 8:08 AM > To: Phil Gott > Cc: Friends Of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop Safety Question > > I?ll add to the pile. > In addition to the fire apparatus and aforementioned accoutrements, I always have tweezers, a mirror and a magnifying glass handy. > > No matter how tightly I wear safety glasses, I ALWAYS manage to drop something rusty in my eye. (I don?t only work on a clean race car. (Currently, it?s a ?67 Jeepster Convertible). Cotton swabs and a mirror save the day. > > The tweezers become necessary because WHENEVER I?m grinding welds, suddenly there is an irritation inside my glove and I?ve got to track down the splinter with the magnifier and pull it out with the tweezer. Ahhh, sweet relief! Must be those HF splinter magnet gloves. > > (Of course, if my welding skills were a little better I wouldn?t have to grind...?) > > > Rick McCurdy > Newburgh, NY > >> On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Good advice, all of it. >> In addition to a large extinguisher near each exit door I have an open 5 gallon bucket filled 2/3 with water. Great for dousing fires and for dunking/tempering hot pieces off the grinding wheel. Faster response than a hose or even an extinguisher. Used it when I set the grass affire outside my barn while grinding on my trailer. Yikes! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 6:42 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Sounds a bit silly, but a broom. >>> >>> Keeping the floor clean cuts down on slips and trips, which OSHA says are some of the most common causes of liability claims. >>> >>> Bi-focal safety glasses for those of us over a certain age. Keeps you from taking them off to see better. >>> >>> The usual assortment of fire extinguishers of course. >>> >>> And a phone to call for help. :) >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 15:38, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Paul, >>>> Beyond the "minimum code requirement" extinguisher's that get inspected and tagged annually, I also keep a 2.5 gallon pressurized AFFF extinguisher and a 2.5 gallon water extinguisher charged and ready at my shop. >>>> >>>> The township fire inspector recommend the AFFF for fuel and oil type fires, and he also stated it can be used to pre-treat a fuel spill while you clean it up to reduce the chances of a fire starting. >>>> >>>> He also recommended the water extinguisher near my welding area to knock down small flare ups. >>>> >>>> I also make it a point to never leave until any welding or grinding work has cooled completely. >>>> >>>> I also disconnect the battery in vehicles during storage. >>>> >>>> >>>> When draining or filling a fuel tank, I roll the vehicle outside if possible. >>>> >>>> Thankfully, I've never had a chance to test any of these items! >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021, 1:32 PM Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>>>> FOT, >>>>> >>>>> I have been lucky to work in some very well run industrial environments with world class safety equipment. As we know, the stuff costs money and a lot of people work without most of it in their own environments. >>>>> >>>>> We have been updating a lot of items in the areas that we work on car and car parts. It is fun to spend money on tools and equipment. However, safety equipment is not always as fun. Near where we live, two pretty smart people have had fires damage their garages and parts of their houses before the fire department could arrive. While I was running large car dealerships and body shops, I can tell you that fire extinguishers did need to be used from time to time. Fortunately we had them and never needed to make a call to the fire department, because the right things were in the right places. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, we just upgraded all of our safety equipment. Including: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Splatter/spark screens for areas that we weld or grind >>>>> 2. High quality US made fire extinguishers with plenty of capacity, including mounting them in the the trailer for at the track. Some fires can be spread really quickly by hitting the with H20. Generally speaking water will not put out burning oil fire. However, it will spread the burning oil all over really quickly. >>>>> 3. Spark resistant blankets for use when we are welding in areas that things should be covered >>>>> 4. Making sure all flammables are stored safely and away from areas that could have sparks >>>>> 5. New and updated smoke detectors, heat sensors and Carbon Monoxide monitors where they can be used (not where we tune engines) >>>>> >>>>> Obviously common sense can prevent a lot of accidents. Therefore, I though it would be interesting to see what the group has done in their work areas. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have anything else that keep around that they feel is helpful for shop area/garage safety? >>>>> >>>>> Paul Ricco >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Sun Jan 17 17:19:38 2021 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 00:19:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 pistons & liners Message-ID: I am looking for new liners and possibly pistons for my TR4. Hoping to get recommendations for a couple of sources While doing my engine rebuild, I found that the top piston rings on all 4 cylinders where broken into little pieces and scored the liners walls pretty bad. I have 89mm liners Thanks, Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 814-323-0698 mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 17 18:42:12 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 20:42:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 pistons & liners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It didn?t seem to hurt your lap times this year - you were fast! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > > ? > I am looking for new liners and possibly pistons for my TR4. Hoping to get recommendations for a couple of sources > > While doing my engine rebuild, I found that the top piston rings on all 4 cylinders where broken into little pieces and scored the liners walls pretty bad. > > I have 89mm liners > > > Thanks, Mike > > 62 TR4, Race car > 63 TR4, Street car > > Mike & Becky Moore > 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 > 814-323-0698 > mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sun Jan 17 18:44:50 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 20:44:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car safety Message-ID: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. What?s considered most effective? Sent from my iPhone From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 19:18:06 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 21:18:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Car safety In-Reply-To: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> References: <1479F2CC-746F-42E8-A131-16E25484BB5C@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Scott, this subject came up the other day on the HRG news group. This system was suggested as a replacement by one of our members. NFI, I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. mike h On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in > my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the > market these days. What?s considered most effective? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 20:26:41 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 19:26:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Car safety In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, I chose an aqueous foam system as my research indicated it was more effective in open cars. I have a 4 lb SPA Technique system with four nozzles and 3 actuators. Nozzles are pointed at either side of the engine, the fuel pump and cell in the boot and at me in the cockpit. Of course, YMMV... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 6:18 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Scott, this subject came up the other day on the HRG news group. This system was suggested as a replacement by one of our members. NFI, > > I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 > > I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. > > mike h > >> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. 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URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Sun Jan 17 22:18:01 2021 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 21:18:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer From keithfiles at btinternet.com Mon Jan 18 00:02:16 2021 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:02:16 +0400 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <2E9F4403-335C-4B29-BA7B-48F13C8C6FDD@btinternet.com> This is so sad. I met Bill many times over the years and considered him a friend. He was funny, approachable and always, always, welcoming. If he could he would, if had something to share he did. I have lovely memories of dinner in one of the Wisconsin clubs with him and many other race drivers, he was a special man and will always be in my heart. Farewell Bill, dear friend. > On 18 Jan 2021, at 09:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jan 18 04:08:50 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:08:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <001c01d6ed8a$4d7a0380$e86e0a80$@gmail.com> Oh, this is sad news. Sorry to hear this. Chris -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Steven Belfer via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2021 06:18 An: FOT Triumph Betreff: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Jan 18 04:28:38 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:28:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Jan 18 04:31:42 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:31:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Hi all I?m so very sorry to here this. If you can Steve please pass on my best wishes. Regards Tony Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2021, at 05:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: ?Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 18 04:36:00 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <936e128812a11558bf8e78596cb33a2a@tr4racer.com> When I started racing 20 years ago, I met Bill and the rest of the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. These guys embodied the spirit of Vintage Racing, from their approach to the on-track activities to their approach to their famous Wine and Cheese parties. When it was time for him to hang up the helmet for the last time, he passed the reins to Old Blue to me. After every event I ran with the old TR3 we would exchange email, he was quite happy to see the car running well. Boy, I am going to miss those exchanges. I can only hope he and Wismer are planning their next epic race weekend as we speak... Henry On 2021-01-18 00:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our > dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, > funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn > good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 04:46:23 2021 From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:46:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: May he rest in peace! Beady Eye Racing Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear > friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, > and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car > driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From paulricco at att.net Mon Jan 18 05:46:14 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:46:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <045297BC-C89D-4F58-B761-17525F55EE46@att.net> We are very sorry to hear of Bill?s passing. We met Bill while buying Bob Wismer?s TR4, we became friends and kept in touch with Bill. We will miss our phone calls, email exchanges and visits with Bill. Paul Ricco and Emily Ricco > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:46 AM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > > May he rest in peace! > > Beady Eye Racing > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot > wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NFI, >> >> I also heard if you contact the company directly, http://www.lifeline-fire.com/afffextinguishersystems.aspx , shipping is less. >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lifeline-Fire-Racing-4-0-Liter-10b-Fire-Extinguisher-System-Zero-2000/202993961919?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 >> >> I still have my Haylon system, remove the bottle every year and pull the cable a few times to make sure it works. >> >> mike h >> >>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 8:46 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: >>> All this talk of garage safety has reminded me of the old halon system in my car. Time to replace. It seems there are a variety of systems in the market these days. What?s considered most effective? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 06:22:51 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <428189625.465050.1610976171462@mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Thinking of Bill today. From one Navy man to another "Fair winds and following seas". V/r, M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:18 am Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maddhatt69 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 06:22:51 2021 From: maddhatt69 at aol.com (Mathieu W. Huovinen) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <428189625.465050.1610976171462@mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Thinking of Bill today. From one Navy man to another "Fair winds and following seas". V/r, M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Steven Belfer via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:18 am Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/maddhatt69 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 07:29:47 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1739341370.88.1610969318598@wamui-hamster.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> Wow this is sad news, he was one class-act, a true gentleman...RIP Bill, we're gonna miss you, you may be gone but we have the memories, all good. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Steven Belfer ; FOT Triumph Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 6:28 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken.? Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center.? He is one of the funniest people I have ever known.? It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:40:01 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the floor phones and call us for help. Not the best solution but something she'll use. So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or call anyone) hands free. mike h On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot wrote: > Lots of good advice! > > On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a > welding > helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. > > On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where > the > nail has been! > > And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do > if > injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so carry > a > mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled > elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the > call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:48:45 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:48:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Very sad, he was a great guy. After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races. He was always fun to have around. Chuck > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 07:49:01 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:49:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: This is truly sad news. Bill was a treasure. I first met him at Blackhawk when Joe invited me to come to the track while I was in Iowa for business. I met Bill, Jack and Tony that weekend as well. I fell in love with the panel truck haul vehicle and found out why the name "Friends of Triumph" was chosen. Bill was a friend to all. Bob Kramer On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:18 PM Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear > friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, > and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car > driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jan 18 08:23:01 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:23:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1385697232.1611972.1610980187978@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86DE4478-ABDF-4086-A706-9C1E5E262099@wi.rr.com> Goodbye to an incredible human being. He will be greatly missed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:30 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > Wow this is sad news, he was one class-act, a true gentleman... > RIP Bill, we're gonna miss you, you may be gone but we have the memories, all good. > > Glen Efinger > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Steven Belfer ; FOT Triumph > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 6:28 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. > There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. > > Mike Jackson > -----Original Message----- > >From: Steven Belfer via Fot > >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM > >To: FOT Triumph > >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > >Dear Friends, > > > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > > > >~Steve Belfer > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 08:56:29 2021 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7B242CF9-A165-4126-81CD-2C1B932C3004@sbcglobal.net> RIP my friend. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4299714 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 08:56:29 2021 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (DENNIS DELAP) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7B242CF9-A165-4126-81CD-2C1B932C3004@sbcglobal.net> RIP my friend. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4299714 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > > From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 09:28:48 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (ehusmann53) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger References: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945.ref@email.android.com> Message-ID: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> Bill made the world a much better place.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Steven Belfer via Fot Date: 1/18/21 12:18 AM (GMT-05:00) To: FOT Triumph Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Dear Friends,I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away.Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver.Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news~Steve Belfer_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 09:34:48 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:34:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> References: <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945.ref@email.android.com> <3133jdhogqou7a200wuij6yx.1610987108945@email.android.com> Message-ID: Fuck, fuck, fuck. That?s the only thing that seems to fit. I loved that guy. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:28 AM, ehusmann53 via Fot wrote: > > Bill made the world a much better place. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Steven Belfer via Fot > Date: 1/18/21 12:18 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: FOT Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Jan 18 09:47:37 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger References: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> You know -I?wonder?if his instructions ?were to plant him?face down so that everyone could kiss his ass goodby. ? He would do stuff like that. Always??the?joker that gentle man. ?Loved his humor and quirky,?unique?insight.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, January 18, 2021,?Chuck Gee via Fot??wrote: Very sad, he was a great guy.? After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races.? He was always fun to have around. Chuck > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Mon Jan 18 09:56:13 2021 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:56:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I'll second the suggestion for having your mobile about, though I'll admit to having had a cell phone on my person when I tore my achilles tendon in half working in the shop last Labor Day. However, the 10 on 10 pain kinda took over and I totally forgot it and hopped/limped/crawled to the house (after probably 5 minutes on the floor) to get the spouse because I didn't even think of it. She thought I was having The Big One for a few seconds until I managed to blurt out what had happened. Now, nearly 5 months later I'm walking normally, still in PT, and have a really nice scar to scare children with. ;) Bob On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:40 AM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They > work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on > (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two > cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, > cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a > couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's > fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the > floor phones and call us for help. > > Not the best solution but something she'll use. > > So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car > (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). > > I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for > music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to > the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or > call anyone) hands free. > > mike h > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > >> Lots of good advice! >> >> On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a >> welding >> helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. >> >> On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where >> the >> nail has been! >> >> And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do >> if >> injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so >> carry a >> mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled >> elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the >> call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 >> >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at icloud.com Mon Jan 18 10:06:29 2021 From: dconnitt at icloud.com (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:06:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Message-ID: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 18 10:21:09 2021 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <1487132464.678628.1610990469366@mail.yahoo.com> Feels like we're losing a lot of gentlemen and scholars lately, no one more of a gentleman and scholar than Bill and few with such a well-developed sense of humor. I let a few of our Midwestern Council and VSCDA friends know the sad news.Gary Schneider On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 11:18:29 PM CST, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: Dear Friends, I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news ~Steve Belfer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:24:02 2021 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:24:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Gutted... I heard the news of Bill?s passing first thing this morning. I first met him in ?92 or ?93, at the VSCDA Road America Vintage Fall Festival. My first gig shooting for Victory Lane Magazine. After shooting in the rain all day, Bill saw me looking lost at the banquet on Saturday night... ?Hey Greg! You?re a Triumph guy... come sit here! I had found my tribe. I?ll miss you, Bill... thanks for everything... Greg Petrolati Sent from my iPhone From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Jan 18 10:31:27 2021 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:31:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shop Safety Question Message-ID: <007101d6edbf$c11a48b0$434eda10$@neb.rr.com> I used to work for Cargill. They work really hard at keeping their employees safe on the job, lots of training, daily reminders, etc. It got really tiring, but we all appreciated that we were expected to go home in as good of condition as we arrived. There are at least a couple things I took to heart that apply to this Shop Safety Question topic. Ear and Eye protection. Plain old acoustic earmuffs when you are working with loud equipment, or those simple foam or plastic ear plugs can make a big difference toward keeping your ears working well. A little damage at a time adds up. Eye safety is big too. Get proper safety glasses, wear them. Don't just carry them. Also - we were required to have eyewash stations all over the place. When a station was not located close to the work area, we carried an "Emergency Eyewash Bottle" to the spot. I'm not going to install a permanent eyewash station in my shop, but I did get an eyewash kit - something like this one; https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/safety/eyewash-stations-and-showers/perso nal-eyewash-bottles/pac-kit-32-oz-single-bottle-eyewash-station?infoParam.ca mpaignId=WR&msclkid=ed7a5c42095a18055d233c47c80a3f2e&utm_source=bing&utm_med ium=cpc&utm_campaign=%5BADL%5D%20%5BPLA%5D%20%5BSafety%20%26%20Security%5D%2 0%7BEyewash%20Stations%20%26%20Showers%7D%20(Good)%20-%20%5BHigh%20Priority% 20SKUs%5D&utm_term=4582695757775670&utm_content=Safety%20%26%20Security%20-% 20Eyewash%20Stations%20%26%20Showers%20-%20(Good)&adlclid=ed7a5c42095a18055d 233c47c80a3f2e At around $20, you can afford to get a few of them. Home, work shop, garage... Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 10:33:33 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains???There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want.It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand.A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite.Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think )Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars.Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt via Fot To: FOT Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:41:01 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:41:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78DF8C22-4CC0-4636-9B1B-7F12EE2096A8@gmail.com> Rebuilt shocks by World Wide Parts in WI. Long overdue on my long term TR3A. No more skitter. The two race cars Ambro & TR4 have tube shock conversions from RATCO. Works just fine. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains??? > There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want. > It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand. > A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite. > Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think ) > Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars. > Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... > > Glen Efinger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Connitt via Fot > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm > Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion > > Hi all, > I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. > The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. > Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. > I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. > Thanks in advance, > Dave Connitt > ?67 TR4A-IRS > > Sent from my iPhone > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 10:50:19 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:50:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> Well crap.? Bill was a great friend, we had many great times together at and around the track.? Going to Schwartz's Steak House by Road America with him was always a highlight.? So sad. Any word on how Shirley is doing? - Tony Drews On 1/17/2021 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > ~Steve Belfer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:51:12 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:51:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: <011101d6ed91$3a692b20$af3b8160$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <38573F8A-AE7A-42CC-8E54-AC04393E0399@ponostyle.com> This has been one hell of a good thread, so good I saved it all. I?m going to swipe all the ideas for my blog. I?ll post the link when I finish. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:56 AM, robert bownes via Fot wrote: > > I'll second the suggestion for having your mobile about, though I'll admit to having had a cell phone on my person when I tore my achilles tendon in half working in the shop last Labor Day. However, the 10 on 10 pain kinda took over and I totally forgot it and hopped/limped/crawled to the house (after probably 5 minutes on the floor) to get the spouse because I didn't even think of it. She thought I was having The Big One for a few seconds until I managed to blurt out what had happened. > > Now, nearly 5 months later I'm walking normally, still in PT, and have a really nice scar to scare children with. ;) > > Bob > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 9:40 AM Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > Hi John, we got one for my 97yr mother in law who lives next door. They work, she fat fingered the call button one morning while putting it on (bracelet model). I was making coffee, looked out the window and saw two cops pounding on her door (she's about a deaf as you can get). I went over, cleared things up but now she's afraid to put it on again. I installed a couple of phones on each level of her house directly on the floor. She's fallen, and can't get up (cliche but true) but can make her way to the floor phones and call us for help. > > Not the best solution but something she'll use. > > So related to the call button, don't roll over on it while under the car (Like I'm always doing with the remote alarm on my car keys). > > I have an Echo smart speaker (Alexa, play Deep Purple) in the garage for music. I set it up to work as an intercom so my wife can call me back to the house. You can tie it into your phone and use it to call for help (or call anyone) hands free. > > mike h > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:00 AM John Davies via Fot > wrote: > Lots of good advice! > > On eye protection, I prefer to use a visor. Same sort of thing as a welding > helmet, but clear, protects the whole face. > > On rusty nails and tetanus, good idea, but it's not the rust, it's where the > nail has been! > > And lastly, I'm now on my own, widowed. I've wondered what I could do if > injured/disabled in the workshop, beyond struggling to the phone, so carry a > mobile in the overalls. But there are personal alarms that the disabled > elderly can carry, usually on a necklace. Press the red button, and the > call centre can speak to you, as you lie there! Anyone used one? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot > On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 17 January 2021 19:00 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 19 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 10:54:26 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:54:26 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. Bill was a joy to hang out with. I only did the Swartz?s thing once, but damn that was fun, as was about anything bill was involved with. It was so good to talk to him, what a guy. > On Jan 18, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > Well crap. Bill was a great friend, we had many great times together at and around the track. Going to Schwartz's Steak House by Road America with him was always a highlight. So sad. > > Any word on how Shirley is doing? > > - Tony Drews > > On 1/17/2021 11:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> >> I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. >> >> Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. >> >> Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news >> >> >> ~Steve Belfer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 18 10:58:15 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 10:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news.? I certainly don't mind. mjb. From harveykinnard at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:01:33 2021 From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:01:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1280421781.658948.1610988457255@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27908287-E0FA-4450-B266-5689C22C46C0@gmail.com> I remember racing with Bill at Elkhart Lake, Bill in his Light Blue Tr3 with its crazy eyed headlights back in the mid to late 80s. I was racing hard with my KC pal, Dick Carlson, in his Yellow Lotus Elite, I in my BRG Morg +4. Bill was just ahead of us. He must have dropped a wheel off at the fast right hander heading down the short straight to the left before the Carousel, as Bill?s rear end went one way, then the other, and finally all the way around ending up facing both Dick and I head on. Since we were all running about the same speed it seemed to be happening in slow motion. Dick went inside, left, I went right. Bill, dramatically, put his hands over his eyes. We cleared him by inches on on either side in the second or so it took to occur. We never lifted. There wasn?t time. There was little drama, except maybe looking back. I met Bill after that race for the first time. He came by to thank Dick and I for our ?heroic driving skills? and ?saving his life?, if not his underwear. It was all a bit tongue in cheek and served to introduced me to one of the most iconic personalities in our sport. I, like so many who knew you much better, will miss you and all you brought to the track. Harvey K. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?You know -I wonder if his instructions were to plant him face down so that everyone could kiss his ass goodby. He would do stuff like that. Always the joker that gentle man. Loved his humor and quirky, unique insight. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Monday, January 18, 2021, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > Very sad, he was a great guy. After he moved to Vegas he would come and hang out with us at the local races. He was always fun to have around. > > Chuck > > > On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:18 PM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Dear Friends, > > > > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > > > > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > > > > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > > > > > ~Steve Belfer > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/harveykinnard at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Jan 18 11:04:02 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:04:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com>, <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I figured that is why the censors let that one fly! Sad to hear about Bill. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 10:58 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news. I certainly don't mind. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From weredinger at cox.net Mon Jan 18 11:04:23 2021 From: weredinger at cox.net (BILL) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:04:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <936e128812a11558bf8e78596cb33a2a@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: We need to gather up from turn 5 Road America at Bob Wismer's memorial monument ( Bill's best prank on his best racing friend Bob, who was still alive at the time) for a good bye wine and cheese (Wisconsin only please) party for our old and dear friend BILL! We should be fittingly add his name to his creation.Henry, please bring Old Blue for the send off. (My contribution to Old Blue is the replacement frame that it now sits on.) As well as we need Beady Eye Racing Van and Trailer to facilitate the wine and cheese party for old times at the? VSCDA ELVF Races.GOD SPEED to BILLBill -------- Original message --------From: yellow04 via Fot Date: 1/18/21 10:41 AM (GMT-06:00) To: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger When I started racing 20 years ago, I met Bill and the rest of the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. These guys embodied the spirit of Vintage Racing, from their approach to the on-track activities to their approach to their famous Wine and Cheese parties.When it was time for him to hang up the helmet for the last time, he passed the reins to Old Blue to me. After every event I ran with the old TR3 we would exchange email, he was quite happy to see the car running well. Boy, I am going to miss those exchanges.I can only hope he and Wismer are planning their next epic race weekend as we speak...HenryOn 2021-01-18 00:18, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote:> Dear Friends,> > I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our> dear friend Bill has passed away.> > Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest,> funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn> good race car driver.> > Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:08:39 2021 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> References: <81AC7258-4777-4BE7-9BBB-C0A5761CA5CC@artwithcars.com> <7c08563e-1a96-5c9f-ca05-86529daa09d4@tonydrews.com> <90710576-28D5-40A9-BDAF-D7755CEA4844@ponostyle.com>, <02ef1d1b-9b66-cada-0844-7914235a4de0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I remember Bill from early VARA days. Always had that half smirk half smile, like he?s was having fun and you couldn?t stop him. He had exceptional staying power. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?On 1/18/21 10:54 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: >> Yeah, sorry for my outburst of profanity, my excuse is it was one old sailor to another, it was just what I had in my head. > > It was pretty much exactly what I thought when reading the terrible news. 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I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:22:33 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:22:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> Long ago we used a motorcycle front shock oil that was recommended. There are several other ideas, I am sure. Changing to MGB calving was another suggestion....a long time ago. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all of the responses to my question on tube shock conversions. I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. > I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 11:28:53 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:28:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I got my TR4A it had sat for decades. One of the rear shocks leaked badly and I decided to tear it down and have a look. It had stiffer versions of the little springs, if I recall they were blue instead of gold. I got curious and looked at a couple of other set of old "racing" lever shocks I had acquired and found that one racer had soldered the standard spring into a tighter coil, maybe with a little wasjer to stiffen the rebound a little. I only had one of those shocked so I copied that and made a pair. They worked just fine. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:34 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains??? > There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple > Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want. > It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a > high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it > by hand. > A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because > they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & > proportioning is almost infinite. > Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some > groups still have vintage rules (I think [image: Thinking face]) > Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I > don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars. > Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks > use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... > > Glen Efinger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Connitt via Fot > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm > Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion > > Hi all, > I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring > back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks > that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just > reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have > resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. > The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am > considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that > bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. > Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. > I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear > lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) > regarding handling improvement or not. > Thanks in advance, > Dave Connitt > ?67 TR4A-IRS > > Sent from my iPhone > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Mon Jan 18 12:14:34 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:14:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Devastating to say the least. I spoke to Bill before Mid Ohio Last year and learned of his diminished health. He definitely was going to miss being there. I can't say enough about him but he definitely was one of my valued acquaintances over the years. The fall out here is a genuine tribute to the man he was. He is definitely a loss to our community . Rest in Peace My good friend. -----------------------------------------From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com [1] > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [2] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [4] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://autox.team.net/archive [3] http://www.fot-racing.com [4] http://autox.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Mon Jan 18 12:21:59 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> References: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9EB1E3EC-9877-4439-A5C5-4110FE40CC62@fuse.net> To Marks point what viscosity oil is good for normal and ?stiff? operation? I can?t remember what I used in my shocks not I kind of think it was 20wt Harley Davidson front fork oil. Thanks Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 2:02 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: > > ?On 1/18/21 11:17 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> TI wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. > > > I am sure many here remember good old STP. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 12:34:40 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049149276.1913998.1610998480889@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am totally against switching from levers to telescoping shocks unless the upper shock mount is both connected to the lower frame (or roll cage, if you have one) AND has accomodation for upper and lower bump stops. Otherwise, you are wasting money and will wind up with body and / or frame problems. The lever type shock is actually better than tube shocks except other than modified levers, you can't adjust for conditions. That said, the Worldwide folks (nosimport.com) have a conversion with external adjustable valving. Not state of the art, but you can dial soft/firm as needed. The real problem here is that a lot of folks will add springs with no sense of what the rates are and a lot of times the handling issues are related to springs and shock not matched properly. Skittish on rough roads implies too firm, e.g. not enough compliance, but without knowing why there's a compliance issue, you're sort of shooting in the dark. I mean, you could be seeing a problem because you're driving on the bump stops... I switched to the Worlwide setup about 10 years ago and the difference in handling was night and day. Plus I can soften the car when it gets wet. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 12:07:08 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deruiterville at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 12:35:47 2021 From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:35:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. Rest in Peace Bill Randy [cid:3f148775-ca37-4b66-8ec4-e0b1cf9935af] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_8805 (Medium).JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 231784 bytes Desc: IMG_8805 (Medium).JPG URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Jan 18 12:41:03 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:41:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recall that that handlebar setup also had a couple of buttons or levers on it labeled "oil slick" and "smoke screen" or similar. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Randy and Valerie DeRuiter via Fot Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 1:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. Rest in Peace Bill Randy [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6ED9F.8FE21630] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 231784 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 12:49:08 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:49:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz Message-ID: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 12:58:14 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <415486310.3033945.1610999894919@mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like it to me.? Schwartz's Supper Club, outside Elkhart Lake. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:12 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:01:08 2021 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 13:03:05 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:03:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com>, <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok, just wondering thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: ? The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 13:05:07 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:05:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name (they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around the track), but it's a different place. Regards, Tony On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com Mon Jan 18 13:30:58 2021 From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:30:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com>, <1030515012.742587.1611000068972@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: New Holstein about 30 minutes from track. Out in farm land and not only great food but a real super club experience. Start in bar where they take your dinner order and allow you to drink until dinner is ready, then they seat you. I don?t miss every time I go home to race!!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:05 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: ? Ok, just wondering thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Ernest Husmann wrote: ? The old train station in Plymouth was known as THE DEPOT. Schwartz's is located in St. Ann. On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:50:02 PM EST, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:49:20 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz In-Reply-To: References: <4B88B090-E46F-4361-A18F-49C56F9A7757@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <2090378397.3053458.1611002960754@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tony.? I remember it well.? When I was racing at Elkhart in the late 70's through the early 90's, we always went to Schwartz's for at least one meal.? Your description is very accurate, even 40+ years ago.? Thanks for the memories. Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 3:09:01 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name (they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around the track), but it's a different place. Regards, Tony On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:53:35 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> References: <0cc04d6a-db23-dcf4-04eb-43575c8b47af@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <794735197.3046975.1611003215688@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I used STP in my TR-4A IRS lever type shocks from about 1975 until I found some real shock fluid that was about the same viscosity.? Never could tell the difference. Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 2:03:24 PM EST, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 1/18/21 11:17 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > TI wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. I am sure many here remember good old STP. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at compsnw.com Mon Jan 18 13:54:03 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:54:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice Message-ID: It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. Kindly, Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 13:54:38 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <2112251357.542498.1610991633206@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2112251357.542498.1610991633206@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <205124534.3055491.1611003278217@mail.yahoo.com> My thoughts expressed earlier on the subject..... I can only speak from my experience racing a 1967 TR-4A IRS for 25 years.? My car was very competitive, finishing top 6 at the Runoffs from 1987 to 1991, including a win in 1990. I used the stock lever arm shocks.? I did replace the shock fluid with heavier fluid and installed competition rear springs, which stiffened the suspension and lowered the car.? I used the stock control arms, but adjusted the mounting brackets to give me more positive camber.? And, I used nylon bushings to attach the control arms.? If you looked at my suspension, it looked stock, but ohhh did that car handle.? And I didn't even need a rear sway bar.? That's where I gained all of my advantage over the competition, as that big flat front end was not very aerodynamic and the car was pretty heavy, so I didn't streak down the straightaways. If it were me, I wouldn't waste the time & money on a tube shock conversion.? In fact, I bought an MGB a number of years ago, and the first thing I did was to remove the tube shocks a previous owner had added, and replace them with stock lever type shocks.? Spend the money on stiffer springs and heavier shock fluid.? And, solid bushings would help too. Good luck. Jack Wheeler On Monday, January 18, 2021, 12:07:40 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 14:11:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 21:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More on lever shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> References: <91D847AC-D9FF-4AC9-808D-45158AD188F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <298413981.3063672.1611004266167@mail.yahoo.com> I had a bottle of the old shock fluid I used in my race car in my garage.? I can't even remember where I got it.? I just went to? check on it and sure enough, it was still there.? Not enough left to do more than one shock, but it appeared to look the same as it did when I filled my shocks (about 1980).? Never changed it again. It looks like, and has a similar viscosity to molasses! Jack On Monday, January 18, 2021, 1:23:41 PM EST, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: Long ago we used a motorcycle front shock oil that was recommended. There are several other ideas, I am sure. Changing to MGB calving was another suggestion....a long time ago. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all of the responses to my question on tube shock conversions. I forgot to add that last summer I installed the Richard Good C/V joint half shafts, rear hubs, Nylatron swing arm bushings and a R200 LSD differential. Thus wasn?t done to reduce wheel hop and skittering in the corners though but I did get rid of the half shaft spline lockup exiting corners! The pinion seal had failed which trashed my original differential. > I wonder if replacing the shock oil with a higher viscosity fluid would be a good first step. It never occurred to me that stiffer shock action would help. It sounds like I should just get my lever shocks rebuilt. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 14:18:12 2021 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:18:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45decc49-3d64-62c7-a354-34660cae59ad@gmail.com> I have a web page that can provide you with some suggestions about where to start. The 40s are good for street cars, but for racing you might want to consider 45s http://www.tr3a.info/WeberDCOEinfo.htm TeriAnn On 1/18/21 1:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com > > -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jan 18 14:41:43 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:41:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b0db872-3084-a65d-f61e-cccb9c206016@bradakis.com> My usual first response to questions about Weber carbs is that the main advantage of them is that they are infinitely adjustable.? The main disadvantage is that they are infinitely adjustable.? One can spend a lifetime and many many dollars on little brass bits trying to get them just right.? But if you do get them just right ... I thought I had the jetting specs for the carbs I had on The White Car, a '67 4A somewhere on my computer, haven't found them yet.? I imagine some of the more organized folks here can jump in with specific details on choke size and jetting.? 42s are the hot ticket as I recall, but good luck finding a pair of those! mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jan 18 15:20:43 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:20:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the Dyno to dial them in. From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle.? But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes would be of greater importance. I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there.? He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall power. I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build.? I suspect you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage.? If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator pumps I'm running. One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with the SU's. I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture.? Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons un-molten. Regards, Tony Drews On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Jan 18 15:35:43 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 22:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion In-Reply-To: References: <1758188674.1654197.1610991213309@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <758815159.1956926.1611009343412@mail.yahoo.com> The valves used to be available in several different specs, yes I think the main difference is in the springs, and maybe port sizes, as I recall.I actually have a set stashed somewhere but I forgot where, which I may find someday by accident when I'm looking for something else that I forgot where I put... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer via Fot To: fubog1 Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion When I got my TR4A it had sat for decades.? One of the rear shocks leaked badly?and I decided to tear it down and have a look.? It had stiffer versions of the little springs, if I recall?they were blue instead of gold.? I got curious and looked at a couple of other set of old "racing" lever shocks I had acquired and found that one racer had soldered the standard spring into a tighter coil, maybe with a little wasjer to stiffen the rebound a? little.? I only had one of those shocked?so I copied that and made a pair. They worked just fine. Bob Kramer On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:34 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: I've always felt that was a lot of $$ & effort for what gains???There's nothing wrong with the standard lever-action design, and Apple Hydraulics will do a 10% stiffer if you want.It's hard to evaluate a shock by the push/pull method since they have a high & low speed function, and you can't feel the high speed by working it by hand.A tube shock conversion does make sense on an all-out spec racecar because they've developed them to a point where the ability to adjust the rate & proportioning is almost infinite.Most vintage racers/racecars don't fall into that category, and some groups still have vintage rules (I think )Besides the ability for limited adjustment on some, which is a big plus, I don't see the benefits for most vintage applications, nor street cars.Now having said/typed that, this is just my personal opinion, many folks use them, and I'm sure will chime in with their thoughts... Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt via Fot To: FOT Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: [Fot] Lever arm shocks vs. tube shock conversion Hi all, I am new to the FOS list. I own a 1967 TR4A-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2013 (DavesTR4A. com). It?s running stock lever type rear shocks that other than cleaning and painting and adding new links, I just reinstalled in the the car during the restoration. They seem to have resistance when I push/pull them so I am pretty sure they work as designed. The car has always been kind of skittish on rough roads and I am considering switching to a tube shock conversion, specifically the one that bolts directly to the existing shock mounts. Originality isn?t my main focus here. I like to drive it aggressively. I would be interested in anyone?s experience with switching from rear lever shocks to chassis mounted (using the stock shock mounting points) regarding handling improvement or not. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ?67 TR4A-IRS Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at icloud.com Mon Jan 18 16:07:43 2021 From: dconnitt at icloud.com (Dave Connitt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question Message-ID: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. Regards, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Jan 18 17:36:25 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 19:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? > > On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my >> 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and >> Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit >> (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might >> be so kind. >> From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 18:00:23 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:00:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Cheers Henry! I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. > >> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power >> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. >>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Jan 18 18:11:13 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 01:11:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> , <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <415F8B52-9DF4-4AB2-8E82-1408585EC5D7@mhc-law.com> Yes Greg, but don?t mislead the unwashed that these are stock un modified SU?s... Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > ?Cheers Henry! > I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > >> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: >> >> I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. >> >>>> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: >>> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power >>> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. >>>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: >>>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jan 18 18:49:34 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:49:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> <3481B747-9F12-4C77-85B0-70FBCF3B275E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1235051342.10333.1611020974487@connect.xfinity.com> But have you tried CBD oil yet? It's the new cure-all, or so I've heard. I use ATF. Dave H. > On 01/18/2021 5:00 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Cheers Henry! > I toast you with ?damper fluid?, motor oil, Marvel Mystery Oil, WD40, water, beer (just once to prove a point) and nothing but air. I?ve tried all in SUs and still maintain... Dashpots Rock! > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > > > On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:36 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > > > I am not sure where people got the impression that spending the bucks on Webers will decrease lap times. Time and time again the facts that Tony presented are proven true. Countless examples of front running cars on SU's. > > > >> On 2021-01-18 17:20, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > >> Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > >> with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers. > >>> On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > >>> It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might be so kind. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From michaelndeweerd at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 18:58:26 2021 From: michaelndeweerd at gmail.com (Michael Deweerd) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 20:58:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill was a great guy and a good friend, when I broke at road America he climbed on his golf cart and in minutes he had a fellow racer and welder lined up and we fixed the TR4 and finished the weekend. The wine and cheese at Gratton was always a really good time, We traded a Triumph cheese board for a set of Beady Eye wine glasses, they will raise a toast to him tonight. Godspeed my friend, you will be missed. Mike and Kathy Deweerd On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 2:41 PM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > I recall that that handlebar setup also had a couple of buttons or levers > on it labeled ?oil slick? and ?smoke screen? or similar. > > > > Scott (B.) > > > > *From:* Fot *On Behalf Of *Randy and Valerie > DeRuiter via Fot > *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 1:36 PM > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > > I am not a racer, just an FOT groupie who long ago promised to not clog up > Mark's FOT list with non-racer stuff. But I thought this picture I took at > the 2013 Elkhart Lake Kastner Cup is likely a good example of Bill's > humor. I was lucky enough to chat briefly with him, I suspect he enjoyed > watching spectator's expressions when they tried to figure out his steering > arrangement. He certainly got a chuckle from my expression. > > > > Rest in Peace Bill > > > > Randy > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/michaelndeweerd at gmail.com > > > -- *Mike Deweerd* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 231784 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Jan 18 19:02:23 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 21:02:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Schwartz Message-ID: <871319344.9182.1611021744327@wamui-charming.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Think I was Parnelli Jones when Bill and Wismer took us there the first time nearly 30 years ago. Was the first time we saw Bill?s van. Complete with the working 8 track player. It?s a mighty long haul from S Florida but on the rare occasion we go back up there Schwarz is always one of the stops. We?ve now introduced it to another ?generation? of vintage racers. Had a couple of them there over a year ago during the VSCDA gig. Can you believe one of them ordered fish? -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Drews via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 3:05 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Schwartz > >Schwartz Supper Club (I had the name slightly wrong) is in St. Anna >which is down the road from Elkhart Lake.? Tiny town in the middle of >nowhere with aged beef.? They have a shared relish tray and salad >dressings you pass around.? You place your order and give them a name >(they were all fictitious names when we went - usually a famous racer).? >You sit in the bar until they call your party's name and go to the >dining room where you get your main dish pretty quickly.? Pretty >efficient, awesome steaks, and you're pretty well lubricated from >sitting in the bar with your racing buddies beforehand. > >https://www.schwarzsupperclub.com/ > >The train station in Plymouth is great too (lots of good choices around >the track), but it's a different place. > >Regards, Tony > >On 1/18/2021 1:49 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: >> Back in motorcycle days we used to go to a stake house in the old train station building in Plymouth... stakes so big they hung off the plate... was that Schwartz?s? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 04:45:25 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 11:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. Regards, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jan 19 06:17:34 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <585452409.2061179.1611062254418@mail.yahoo.com> Excellent write-up Tony! Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews via Fot To: Alec Buchan ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the Dyno to dial them in. From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle.? But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes would be of greater importance. I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there.? He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall power. I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build.? I suspect you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage.? If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator pumps I'm running. One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with the SU's. I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture.? Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons un-molten. Regards, Tony Drews On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > be so kind. > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > Kindly, > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Tue Jan 19 06:18:13 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:18:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1033115141.2050213.1611056725262@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi all There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. Best to all Tony Sent from my iPad On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. Regards, Bob Lang On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Say, I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. Now we just need some decent temperatures.. Regards, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From agb at compsnw.com Tue Jan 19 06:22:06 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 05:22:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice In-Reply-To: <585452409.2061179.1611062254418@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3ccd0a16-65db-54f8-20ff-220a1970881f@tonydrews.com> <585452409.2061179.1611062254418@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56969c18-fc13-3a18-83c6-527658cba1d3@compsnw.com> Yes Tony, thank you. Lots to digest. As far a 'look cool', there's nothing cooler than where you sit on the time sheet... On 1/19/2021 5:17 AM, fubog1 wrote: > Excellent write-up Tony! > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews via Fot > To: Alec Buchan ; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 5:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber help and/or advice > > Alec, in my experience (also a TR-4), you can make just as much power > with a well tuned set of SU's as with Webers.? My dad (Jack) ran SU's, I > have Weber 42's (came with the car).? We were virtually the same speed / > power.? Took us both a while to get there and required running on the > Dyno to dial them in. > > From what I understand, the "Cannon" intake manifolds are considered > the best.? I discovered that the 42's (which are rare as hen's teeth) > take the same internal bits as the 40's, so I think the advantage is > more psychological than anything over the 40's.? I ended up with the > biggest chokes (venturi) that would fit - I think 36 mm was as big as I > could go.? I do have a set of 45's that I keep threatening to spiff up > and try.? I suspect that going to a 38 mm choke would be the hot ticket > for my engine.? Depending on the build, 40's work pretty well.? Big > bore, billet crank, hairy cam, high RPM would probably benefit from 45's. > > What I found on the Dyno is that there's a ton of power in just getting > the mixture right across the rev range.? I ended up with pretty small > air correction jets to keep it from going lean at high RPM's.? I > probably gained around 20 HP just by tuning the carbs. > > From what I understand, comparing jetting from one engine build to > another is pretty haphazard, it's best to tune it to the specific engine > rather than just copy someone else's jetting. Also, I believe the > emulsion tube can make quite a bit of difference, so just comparing main > / air jet sizes if you're not running the same emulsion tube kinda > invalidates the comparison. In my case I just used the emulsion tubes > that came in the carb's and didn't try alternates.? I believe the big > differences in those is more for part-throttle driveability which I > generally ignore. If I can drive it to the grid it's fine, otherwise > it's pretty much just wide open or closed, not a lot of part throttle. > But other drivers may use more part throttle and so the emulsion tubes > would be of greater importance. > > I love the looks of the webers, but Jack was able to get decent mixture > control with SU's and some slighly custom needles - I think he took RB's > and skinnied down the tips to be more of the RA needle profile there. > He also ran 0.104" jets to get enough fuel out (stock is 0.100").? We > would draft each other at Road America, so were pretty close in overall > power. > > I'm not quite sure what kind of advice you're looking for - should I do > it or not?? What specific setup should I get?? What carb settings should > I start with?? None of these have cut and dried answers in my opinion. > > Should I do it?? Maybe, but you can also get similar results with good > well tuned SU's.? The webers look awesome though. > > Which setup to get?? Partially depends on the engine build. I suspect > you'd be happier with 40's on a decent manifold with a decent linkage. > If you have a monster motor you'll want 45's. > > Starting setup?? If 40's, 36 mm chokes, possibly 150 mains with about > 130 airs is roughly where I ended up (need to dig through the expensive > box of brass bits to verify).? No idea what emulsion tube or accelerator > pumps I'm running. > > One advantage of the webers is that they DO have accel pumps, so getting > the engine started on a cold day without the choke is easier than with > the SU's. > > I found the tuning of SU's to be more obvious than the Webers.? I used a > couple of books and Teri Ann's website to get a good understanding of > what I was doing with the Webers.? The big aha for me was understanding > that the main jet affects the mixture across the entire rev range while > the air correction affects high RPM mixture more than low RPM mixture. > Changing the air correction does also affect lower RPM mixture so they > need to be tweaked in combination with each other.? Getting the air > correction small enough that it didn't lean out at high RPM but big > enough so it didn't richen at high RPM was my key, then I tweaked the > main jets for max power and maybe went a step richer to keep the pistons > un-molten. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 1/18/2021 2:54 PM, Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > > It looks like I am moving up a group and in order to not maintain my > > 'blue caboose' moniker, I am looking at converting to Webers. Moss and > > Pierce sell a 2 x 40 DCOE kit but I've also located a 2 x 45 DCOE kit > > (not from Moss or Pierce). looking for recommendations, if you might > > be so kind. > > > > On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to > > seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. > > > > Kindly, > > > > Alec Buchan > > Bellingham, WA > > '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The first time I started hearing a clunk in the back and when I removed the passenger side rear wheel I found that one shock bolt was gone and the other one was hanging on with about 2 threads left. I had used the original bolts and flat washers to attach the shocks. I bought new grade 8 bolts and split lock washers. The second time, I switched out the split lock washers for internal tooth lock washers and put red Locktite on the bolt threads and they seem to be holding. One other thing is that after I sand blasted the frame I welded in one of the TSI IRS differential frame gusset strengthening kits and also the front lower control arm gusset bracket kits. I can?t explain why the passenger side rear shock bolts would come loose but the Locktite and internal tooth lock washers seem to be holding. Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: > > ? Hi all > > There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. > > Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. > > It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. > > Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. > > Best to all > > Tony > > Sent from my iPad > > On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > ? > One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. > > I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > > Say, > I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. > This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. > Now we just need some decent temperatures.. > Regards, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot > >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph > >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill was on that Driver's committee (or whatever it was called) at the time, so when he asked for the mic, didn't think twice about it. I hand it to him and he proceeds to announce to everyone how they were giving out free breast exams in his paddock... He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > > [1]http://www.fot-racing.com [2] > >Donate: [3]http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] /> >Archive: [5]http://autox.team.net/archive [6] [7]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [8] /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: [9]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net [10] /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net [11]http://www.fot-racing.com [12] Donate: [13]http://www.team.net/donate.html [14] /> Archive: [15]http://autox.team.net/archive [16] [17]http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [18] /> Unsubscribe/Manage: [19]http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com [20] /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://www.fot-racing.com [3] http://www.team.net/donate.html%3Cbr [4] http://www.team.net/donate.html [5] http://autox.team.net/archive [6] http://autox.team.net/archive [7] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot%3Cbr [8] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [9] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net%3Cbr [10] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net [11] http://www.fot-racing.com [12] http://www.fot-racing.com [13] http://www.team.net/donate.html%3Cbr [14] http://www.team.net/donate.html [15] http://autox.team.net/archive [16] http://autox.team.net/archive [17] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot%3Cbr [18] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot [19] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com%3Cbr [20] http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 19 07:47:42 2021 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 09:47:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> And who could forget the poster on display in their paddock; ?Just say no to crack!? showing a southern hemisphere of Bob Wismer. The handlebars in Old Blue; Wine and cheese parties; lots of good sportsmanship and great racing will be remembered for a long time. Always served up with copious amounts of humor. Russ From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of T. R. Householder via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 9:29 AM To: 'Barr, Scott' Cc: 'Amici Triumphi' Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Mid Ohio I remember standing watching the races at one of the commemoratives and Bill 180'd in the top of the Esses definitely an undergarment change moment .. for me and him. ----------------------------------------- From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" To: "Amici Triumphi" Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 9:22:15AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger One last story. This from Chris McNicol, one of the stewards of Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs, which often provides race staff services for VSCDA, two of Bill?s ?home? clubs: ?Terrible news. Bill was one of many characters that roamed the paddocks over the years. I will never forget stewarding at the VSCDA event a million years ago and I was out in the pavilion with Mr. Microphone probably waiting to make first call after lunch. Bill was on that Driver's committee (or whatever it was called) at the time, so when he asked for the mic, didn't think twice about it. I hand it to him and he proceeds to announce to everyone how they were giving out free breast exams in his paddock... He will be missed.? ----------------------------------------- From: "Mike Jackson via Fot" To: "Steven Belfer", "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Monday January 18 2021 6:29:18AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger I am heartbroken. Bill is one of my longest and best racing friends. There are endless numbers of stories of which Bill is the center. He is one of the funniest people I have ever known. It will mean even more when his TR3, ole blue, shows up at a race. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Steven Belfer via Fot >Sent: Jan 18, 2021 12:18 AM >To: FOT Triumph >Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Dear Friends, > >I just heard from Bill?s brother Ron, and I?m sad to report that our dear friend Bill has passed away. > >Bill was a close friend of my Dad. He was one of the warmest, funniest, and biggest hearted people of all time, and he was a damn good race car driver. > >Sorry to be the bearer of this sad news > > >~Steve Belfer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net /> > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Tue Jan 19 08:24:12 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:24:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <262B7EA7-D95F-446A-B139-15F2FBDA7C60@mi.rr.com> I have no intention of hijacking this thread, but have a rear shock damper link spherical bearing kit that I purchased from Revington TR (part no. RTR3392K for information and photo) and never used as I decided to go with a tube shock conversion using RATCO?s kit and Spax units with ?X? bracing between the shock mounting brackets. The kit is for TR2-4. If someone wants to beef up their lever shocks I would sell for $225. Also have a set of Apple Hydraulics uprated lever shocks that I never installed as well if anyone is interested please contact me off list. On Jan 19, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: Tony and Bob, Thanks for the additional information on the links and shock oil viscosity. I will be taking a closer look at those links. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 19 09:00:01 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:00:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Follow up on my lever shock question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I set up my Bugeye way back when, the SCCA boys told me to use motorcycle shock oil which was heavier and wouldn?t damage the shock seals. I also unsoldered the valve end and turned it in several times (don?t remember the exact number) and then re-soldered it. Worked well for auto cross. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:14 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Tony and Bob, > Thanks for the additional information on the links and shock oil viscosity. I will be taking a closer look at those links. Regarding the shock oil, I have found I can buy motorcycle fork oil in 10wt, 15wt and 20wt on Amazon. I can?t honestly remember what I put in mine when I restored them but I do remember saving the bottle as I didn?t use it all. Another reason to straighten up the garage! > I also wanted to mention that I had a interesting issue in the past years of driving the car when the bolts holding the passenger side rear shock backed out. The first time I started hearing a clunk in the back and when I removed the passenger side rear wheel I found that one shock bolt was gone and the other one was hanging on with about 2 threads left. I had used the original bolts and flat washers to attach the shocks. I bought new grade 8 bolts and split lock washers. The second time, I switched out the split lock washers for internal tooth lock washers and put red Locktite on the bolt threads and they seem to be holding. One other thing is that after I sand blasted the frame I welded in one of the TSI IRS differential frame gusset strengthening kits and also the front lower control arm gusset bracket kits. > I can?t explain why the passenger side rear shock bolts would come loose but the Locktite and internal tooth lock washers seem to be holding. > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Tony Sheach via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? Hi all >> >> There are a couple of other options in terms of lever arm dampers and also I need to sling in a note of caution on filling them up with thicker oil. >> >> Firstly on other options, Armstrong also made a twin valve adjustable DAS10 lever arm damper. These are more or less a straight bolt on with a little bit of relieving of the bracket on the 4a, more or less the same on the 250/5/6 but not don?t that for a long time. You can find them from time to time on eBay but they are fairly expensive (circa ?700 for a decent pair) but they do give you 24 position adjustment via a big knurled knob on the side (which is why you need to relieve the mounting a bit. Totally period and legal for regulations including FIA if that?s relevant. >> >> It?s a different. Deal for the TR4 (and earlier cars) in the the smaller DAS9 was used, but you can also get twin valve and twin valve adjustables in that size which again are either a straight bolt on or with the adjustable you need to notch the chassis leg to accommodate the knob. The four factory rally TR4?s (what we call 3VC, 4VC, 5VC and 6VC) all use DAS10 rear shocks and custom mounts on the chassis, so that can also be done. >> >> Secondly, on oil you can use thicker oil but firstly it degrades over time like any other oil and the hotter it gets, the faster this happens. Usually the thicker the oil, the more heat the piston in the shock develops and the hotter the whole thing gets, the more pressure there is inside until either the seals blow or the piston sticks and holes the casing. Been there and done that, so my advice would be not to go mad. 20/50 engine oil or gearbox oil is definitely a no no. >> >> Best to all >> >> Tony >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 19 Jan 2021, at 11:47, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> One quick tip - the quality of the stock shock links available now is okay, but they won't stand up to a lot of abuse. I get maybe 3 seasons' use before they start to fail. >> >> I switched to the Goodparts rose-joint version last year or the year before and they hold up much better. I would argue that they are worth every penny. >> >> Regards, >> Bob Lang >> >> On Monday, January 18, 2021, 6:08:24 PM EST, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Say, >> I just wanted to say ?thanks? to all that responded to my question in rear lever vs. tube shocks. At least now I understand the trade offs better. >> This is a great group! I am going try changing the shock oil to something thicker first but I am going to stay with lever shocks for sure. >> Now we just need some decent temperatures.. >> Regards, >> Dave Connitt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jan 19 09:21:31 2021 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: I still get a kick out of Bill's comment from years ago. I was doing one of the FOT shirt gigs, might have been for the Road Atlanta race. Bill ordered some and commented about his wife wearing one would be like two cats fighting in a burlap bag. Will miss him. Marty Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Jan 19 10:02:06 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:02:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger In-Reply-To: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> References: <000001d6ee72$0affff80$20fffe80$@rr.com> Message-ID: Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k Henry Frye From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jan 19 10:41:48 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:41:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] yet another Bill Dentinger story Message-ID: <1674002775.3131.1611078108687@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jan 19 11:09:57 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:09:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye Message-ID: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Great video Henry! And all wonderful races. We all live for weekends like that. I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key. You should label it in g's Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would >hear. And it was hysterical. > >Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he >was as excited as I was! > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > >Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 19 12:16:00 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:16:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: Bill did a calendar with the Beady Eye Racer on it probably after Mid Ohio 92 . It still hangs in my office and I think about him often -----------------------------------------From: "yellow04 via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 12:04:08PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k /> Henry Frye _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com [1] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html /> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive [2] http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot /> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com /> Links: ------ [1] http://www.fot-racing.com [2] http://autox.team.net/archive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 19 12:43:22 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 19:43:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Bill Denting at Gratton Message-ID: https://www.mlive.com/autoracing/2010/08/veteran_bill_dentinger_looks_f.html -----------------------------------------From: "T. R. Householder via Fot" To: "yellow04" Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 2:16:32PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill did a calendar with the Beady Eye Racer on it probably after Mid Ohio 92 . It still hangs in my office and I think about him often ----------------------------------------- From: "yellow04 via Fot" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday January 19 2021 12:04:08PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would hear. And it was hysterical. Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in 2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he was as excited as I was! In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... 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URL: From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com Tue Jan 19 12:49:27 2021 From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 14:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger Message-ID: WOW, what a shock. I am very sad to hear the news. Bill and the Beady Eye guys were my first acquaintances when I started vintage racing. They kind of adopted me at Grattan in 1993. I had just bought a ?race ready? TR3A that had a SVRA logbook so I thought I was perfectly legal for vintage racing. It wasn?t until a year of so later that Bill told me the fiberglass fenders on my car were NOT legal, but that I was so slow, no one cared! Lots of good weekends with the Beady Eye guys enjoying their companionship, good racing, and of course the after racing Wine/Cheese parties. Don Brick was a Wisconsin cheese guy so he always brought the best from his factory for us to sample. I got to know Bill & Shirley a little better when Bill asked me to market some of his cars for him. First class people, and Bill will be surely missed by the Triumph racing community. Glad that Henry is continuing the ?Old Blue? legacy and hope to have many great races again with Old Blue! Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 13:10:17 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 20:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye In-Reply-To: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <946018338.3457.1611079798053@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1156508726.449960.1611087017663@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Henry.? Nice drive.? Your car is really handling well (which is saying something for a TR-3).? When I raced my TR-4A I had independent rear suspension, which I always felt gave me an advantage.? I don't know how you do it with the solid axle. Reminded me of watching Brian Fuerstenau in a TR-3 (#33) at Watkins Glen.? Would have been the summer of 1964, maybe '65.? He was in F Production while his teammate, Bob Tullius was in the #44 TR-4 in E Production.? Eventually the TR-3 got moved to EP and the TR-4 to DP, until the TR-6 came along.? When it couldn't keep up with the 240Z, they moved the TR-6 to DP and 2 years later the TR-4 to join the TR-3 in EP.? The first 2 years the TR-6 was in DP, it won the national championship, first with Group44, then with Paul Newman. Sorry about the history lesson.? Just reminiscing. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: yellow04 ; "fot at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:11:06 PM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye Great video Henry!? And all wonderful races.? We all live for weekends like that. I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key.? You should label it in g's Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would >hear. And it was hysterical. > >Bill was a racer at heart.? The number of events that the Beady Eye >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he >was as excited as I was! > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > >Henry Frye >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After the first lap I was disappointed when Newman came into the pits, everyone was wondering what went wrong with the car. His guys/friends came out and pulled the beer cooler out from the cockpit and he charged back onto the track. Seems they left the cooler in the car from happy hour the night before. Anyway, he did make up the time and I believe was in the top 5 or so cars by race end. That?s when I got the bug to race...it just took another 40+ years to get there!! Terry > On Jan 19, 2021, at 15:10, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Henry. Nice drive. Your car is really handling well (which is saying something for a TR-3). When I raced my TR-4A I had independent rear suspension, which I always felt gave me an advantage. I don't know how you do it with the solid axle. > > Reminded me of watching Brian Fuerstenau in a TR-3 (#33) at Watkins Glen. Would have been the summer of 1964, maybe '65. He was in F Production while his teammate, Bob Tullius was in the #44 TR-4 in E Production. Eventually the TR-3 got moved to EP and the TR-4 to DP, until the TR-6 came along. When it couldn't keep up with the 240Z, they moved the TR-6 to DP and 2 years later the TR-4 to join the TR-3 in EP. The first 2 years the TR-6 was in DP, it won the national championship, first with Group44, then with Paul Newman. > > Sorry about the history lesson. Just reminiscing. > > Jack > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: yellow04 ; "fot at autox.team.net" > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:11:06 PM EST > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ole' Blue at Summit Pt with Henry Frye > > Great video Henry! And all wonderful races. We all live for weekends like that. > I was particularly entertained by watching the key fob on the glovebox key. You should label it in g's > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > >From: yellow04 via Fot > >Sent: Jan 19, 2021 12:02 PM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: Re: [Fot] Bill Dentinger > > > >Bill meant a lot of things to a lot of people. One thing for sure, if > >you had the pleasure to meet Bill, you certainly did not forget him. I > >have many fond memories, like sitting on the grid as some event in the > >broiling heat waiting our turn to take the track and hearing Bill, at > >the top of his lungs, singing some completely inappropriate song to no > >one in particular. Or at a huge SVRA event, hundred of drivers are > >intently listening to Jack Woehrle or Carl Jensen trying to get through > >a drivers meeting and Bill would just heckle the crap out of them. Not > >privately, mind you, but in a voice that everybody in the county would > >hear. And it was hysterical. > > > >Bill was a racer at heart. The number of events that the Beady Eye > >Vintage Triumph Racing team ran annually was impressive. Remember Bill > >had Old Blue, Bob Wismer had the #4 blue TR4 (now campaigned by Paul > >Ricco), and between them they co-owned the Thunderbolt, an extremely > >limited production special from Tornado Cars, based on the TR3. They > >would trade off season to season driving the Thunderbolt and their > >respective TR. There was no expense spared on the preparation of either > >his or Bob's cars. Any discussion of the Beady Eye team is incomplete > >without mentioning Don Brick, the third member of the team. Don raced a > >white TR4 with red wire wheels, and might have been the speediest of the > >group, I believe the last year he ran was 2005. > > > >Bill was quite proud of the fact that Old Blue, a 1956 TR3, was the most > >period correct vintage racer on track in the country. While I never > >researched it, nobody who heard the story doubted it. The amount of > >Triumph Competition Department equipment in the car was impressive. A > >race car since new, Bill was only the second racer to track the car. > > > >At some point over the course our friendship I must have mentioned to > >Bill how much I liked Old Blue, and would like to own the car when he is > >ready to hang up the helmet for the last time. (I am confident alcohol > >was involved in this conversation!) This turned into Bill selling the > >car to me back in 2014. My trip to Wisconsin to pick up the car and > >spares was both delightful and melancholy, you knew it was the end of an > >era. But Bill had high hopes I would keep the flame alive. My intent was > >to keep the car as period correct as possible, but make it safe and fun. > >I think I have struck a good compromise, some of those Competition > >Department goodies have made way for more suitable replacements, but for > >the most part the car remains remarkably period correct. > > > >Every time I had a race weekend with the car I would email Bill and tell > >him how things went. We exchanged mail and it was obvious he was > >genuinely excited to see Old Blue still on track, doing better and > >better. It all came together at the Jefferson 500 at Summit Point in > >2019, it was one of those weekends we all dream of. Picture perfect > >weather, and you get grouped with a bunch of racers that are great > >competition and you are running with fast guys up front. Then the stars > >align and you take first in both feature races. I strung together some > >in-car footage from three sessions that weekend and sent it to Bill. He > >and his son Dick watched it on the "Big Screen", I got the impression he > >was as excited as I was! > > > >In memory of Bill, I am sharing a view that he enjoyed for years, > >looking over the bonnet of Old Blue. You will be missed, my friend... > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCcXLlOR-k > > > >Henry Frye > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Henry From bschirano1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 17:03:02 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 19:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] steering rack question Message-ID: Hey Kids I need to look into my inner ball joint play in my steering rack (GT6). Tivy enlightened me this past October where my play is coming from, (yeah, after I replaced all bushings, ball joints and outer tie rods last winter, sheeeeet!) Anywise, studying the manual, they talk about a plug to be removed and replaced with a zerk, (this is where the steering shaft comes in) give a few pumps, take the zirk out and put the plug back...??? Why is this?, what would be the problem with leaving the zerk in? Brian's question of the day Cheers -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tivy enlightened me this past October where my play is coming from, (yeah, after I replaced all bushings, ball joints and outer tie rods last winter, sheeeeet!)Anywise, studying the manual, they talk about a plug to be removed and replaced with a zerk, (this is where the steering shaft comes in) give a few pumps, take the zirk out and put the plug back...??? Why is this?, what would be the problem with leaving the zerk in? Brian's question of the dayCheers --? Brian Schirano585-305-0349 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From vfracing at aol.com Fri Jan 22 12:24:41 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 19:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Parts Cars In-Reply-To: <1611342621.588rxqaf40k0c08k@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1611342621.588rxqaf40k0c08k@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <1472487319.2635298.1611343481908@mail.yahoo.com> Just so Chip doesn't get bombarded with distant inquiries, where is he located? Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: rjl6n--- via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2021 2:13 pm Subject: [Fot] TR-4 Parts Cars Hi folks, Some of you may remember Chip Bond, who raced a TR-4 with both vintage groups and the SCCA, taking his TR-4 to the Runoffs several times. Anyway, I met with him the other day, and he is cleaning up his barns and has several TR-4 parts cars that he would like move along to new owners.? I know that one has an O/D transmission, and there is at least one good high port head and manifold there as well as lots of other parts. Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of you may remember Chip Bond, who raced a TR-4 with both vintage groups and the SCCA, taking his TR-4 to the Runoffs several times. ? Anyway, I met with him the other day, and he is cleaning up his barns and has several TR-4 parts cars that he would like move along to new owners.? I know that one has an O/D transmission, and there is at least one good high port head and manifold there as well as lots of other parts. ? Please contact him directly at chipb at ntelos.net for more information. ? ? -- Thanks, John ? rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net ? http://www.fot-racing.com ? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 11:06:45 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question References: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that so far? I have 2 of these brackets and they are different.? It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.? I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change.? My question is which is which? It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. Jack Wheeler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walje at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 23 11:42:53 2021 From: walje at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Walje) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 12:42:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone know of one for sale? Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. Thanks in advance Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone From sjanzen at me.com Sat Jan 23 12:17:09 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:17:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <51616436-2436-4BF4-933D-45E4A326F752@me.com> Dennis, I think I have one off my ?68 race car, but I have no idea as to the originality. I think pinion flanges on the diff vary somewhat with the gear ratio, too. If you can tell me the flange dimensions for both ends I?ll take a look. This one came out when I switched to a TR6 transmission. Also, any good driveshaft shop can easily make one up, to whatever specs you want. Should not be expensive. I don?t know these to be a point of failure though, so my guess is with new u joints a stock one should be fine. The items on either end of the shaft, however, are certainly over-stressed and fail with some degree of frequency, particularly a stock GT6 transmission (and don?t let anyone tell you their upgraded rebuild will prevent that!). On Jan 23, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone know of one for sale? Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. Thanks in advance Dennis Walje 68 GT6 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 12:19:29 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 19:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <2de4b932fbad2781de7338d6eb99864c0ddcb258@webmail> References: <2de4b932fbad2781de7338d6eb99864c0ddcb258@webmail> Message-ID: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Tom.? I have the original transmissions from my TR-2 and TR-3 sitting in my garage.? I just measured the thickness of the flange and it is .360" on both.? I don't know what that converts to in millimeters.? I assume the early TR-4 was about the same, although the gearbox housing casting was different due to going to the fully synchronized transmission on the TR-4 (and some TR-3B's) As to my original question, I dug out my factory parts books for TR-2 - TR-6 to check the part numbers for the slave cylinder support bracket.? Unfortunately, my TR-2 parts book is for TR-2 through TR-3A, and while it shows 2 different part numbers, it doesn't tell when the change was made.? So, I think the TR-2 and some of the TR-3's used bracket part number 106701.? At some point during the TR-3 run, they changed to part number 128042.? Interesting enough that same part number appears in both the TR-4 and the TR-4A parts books.? Therefore, once they changed to 128042, they stayed with it for all the rest of the TR-4's and TR-4A's. The tr-6 bracket is completely different (it doesn't curve around the bell housing) and it is part number 136353. So, that's all I know.? If anyone knows when, during the TR-3 run they switched to the 128042 part number, I would like to know.? Also, if you have a bracket which you know is for a TR-4 or 4A, please check the measurement between the top holes, as explained in my original email below, and let me know the distance between them.Thanks. Jack On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 1:20:43 PM EST, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: I think you are correct about the TR4 or TR6 the flange on the TR6 bell housing is thicker. ?I'll check a TR2 / Doretti here in the garage but will be a while till I get to the storage area to check anything else? New Facebook with confirming early history? https://www.facebook.com/dorhouse1/ ----------------------------------------- From: "Jack Wheeler via Fot" To: "FOT Triumph" Cc: Sent: Saturday January 23 2021 1:07:23PM Subject: [Fot] Question I have a question about thebracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? Thisbracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and issupported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracketand attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that sofar? I have 2 of these brackets andthey are different.? It looks like the difference is in thehole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locatethe slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.?I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4,although who knows when they made the change.? My question iswhich is which? It looks to me like the best wayto differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, thatis, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? Oneof my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart oncenter.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart oncenter. So does anyone have a bracketwhich is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for aTR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance betweenthe top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyonehas any information about when this was changed (and why), I wouldbe interested in that. Jack Wheeler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Sat Jan 23 12:46:30 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:46:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1840046080.553872.1611429569268@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jack, .360? equals 3.29mm. Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2021, at 2:20 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Tom. I have the original transmissions from my TR-2 and TR-3 sitting in my garage. I just measured the thickness of the flange and it is .360" on both. I don't know what that converts to in millimeters. I assume the early TR-4 was about the same, although the gearbox housing casting was different due to going to the fully synchronized transmission on the TR-4 (and some TR-3B's) > > As to my original question, I dug out my factory parts books for TR-2 - TR-6 to check the part numbers for the slave cylinder support bracket. Unfortunately, my TR-2 parts book is for TR-2 through TR-3A, and while it shows 2 different part numbers, it doesn't tell when the change was made. So, I think the TR-2 and some of the TR-3's used bracket part number 106701. At some point during the TR-3 run, they changed to part number 128042. Interesting enough that same part number appears in both the TR-4 and the TR-4A parts books. Therefore, once they changed to 128042, they stayed with it for all the rest of the TR-4's and TR-4A's. > > The tr-6 bracket is completely different (it doesn't curve around the bell housing) and it is part number 136353. > > So, that's all I know. If anyone knows when, during the TR-3 run they switched to the 128042 part number, I would like to know. Also, if you have a bracket which you know is for a TR-4 or 4A, please check the measurement between the top holes, as explained in my original email below, and let me know the distance between them.Thanks. > > Jack > > On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 1:20:43 PM EST, trhouse at columbus.rr.com wrote: > > > I think you are correct about the TR4 or TR6 the flange on the TR6 bell housing is thicker. I'll check a TR2 / Doretti here in the garage but will be a while till I get to the storage area to check anything else > > New Facebook with confirming early history > > https://www.facebook.com/dorhouse1/ > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Jack Wheeler via Fot" > To: "FOT Triumph" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday January 23 2021 1:07:23PM > Subject: [Fot] Question > > I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to. This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts. Got that so far? > > I have 2 of these brackets and they are different. It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape. One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other. I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change. My question is which is which? > > It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed. One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center. The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. > > So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4. If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. > > Jack Wheeler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dconnitt at fuse.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:07:36 2021 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Dennis, I bought one a few years ago for the 63 race car (new) from Rimmer Bros and it's worked out well. They have new GT6 propshafts, in both OD and non OD flavors in the $250 + shipping range (Varies with the exchange rate on a daily basis). Shipping will be a hit but if you need anything else get it at the same time and combine the shipping. Non OD version- https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-213150 mike h On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: > I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone > know of one for sale? > > Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? > > I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since > August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. > > Thanks in advance > > Dennis Walje > 68 GT6 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:44:45 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: if you want a used one, try Ben at British Auto Salvage here in my area (upstate NY). I just bought a GT6 motor from him a couple weeks ago to start work on a back up race motor. While I was there he had a crank crated up to send out to someone. Brian On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:43 PM Dennis Walje via Fot wrote: > I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone > know of one for sale? > > Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? > > I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since > August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. > > Thanks in advance > > Dennis Walje > 68 GT6 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Sat Jan 23 16:49:05 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2021 18:49:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gt6 transmission In-Reply-To: References: <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12.ref@sbcglobal.net> <32A70EB8-8B0E-4817-AAB3-34F726C18C12@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: PS - RE the GT transmission, I have two and probably every other season they get switched and gone over, seems never the same thing twice when they're taken apart. Good synchroes seem harder to find On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 6:44 PM Brian Schirano wrote: > if you want a used one, try Ben at British Auto Salvage > here in my area (upstate NY). > I just bought a GT6 motor from him a couple weeks ago to start work on a > back up race motor. While I was there he had a crank crated up to send out > to someone. > > Brian > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 1:43 PM Dennis Walje via Fot > wrote: > >> I?m looking for a transmission/drive shaft for a 68 GT6 MK1. Does anyone >> know of one for sale? >> >> Also, are there any heavy duty upgrades or conversions available? >> >> I have had a Ford T9 transmission conversion on order with Moss since >> August and there is no indication if it will ever ship. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Dennis Walje >> 68 GT6 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com >> >> >> > > -- > Brian Schirano > 585-305-0349 > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 17:41:09 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 00:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Question In-Reply-To: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> References: <645621737.4564781.1611425205478.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <645621737.4564781.1611425205478@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1300732691.683229.1611448869271@mail.yahoo.com> TR2s and early TR3s had, what I remember, to be a stumpier and bigger diameter slave cylinder.? The later 3s and on, had longer, smaller diameter aluminum slave cylinders.? That may be related to the different brackets.? Joe B. On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 01:07:46 PM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I have a question about the bracket that the clutch slave cylinder attaches to.? This bracket is attached to the bottom of the bell housing and is supported by a 5/16" rod that goes from the bottom of this bracket and attaches to one of the oil pan bolts.? Got that so far? I have 2 of these brackets and they are different.? It looks like the difference is in the hole location and shape.? One bracket would appear to locate the slave cylinder closer to the bell housing than the other.? I assume one of these is for a TR-3, and the other for a TR-4, although who knows when they made the change.? My question is which is which? It looks to me like the best way to differentiate is the difference in the upper hole location, that is, the 2 holes at the top of the bracket when installed.? One of my brackets has the top holes approximately 1 5/8" apart on center.? The other bracket has the top holes 1 13/16" apart on center. So does anyone have a bracket which is known to be for a TR-3 or one known to be for a TR-4.? If so, could you please measure the distance between the top holes on center?? Thanks for your help, and if anyone has any information about when this was changed (and why), I would be interested in that. Jack Wheeler _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 15:16:22 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:16:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Kastner F Cam. TR3/4. Available for sale Message-ID: Project Car found in barn.....with new cam in box. Any FOT have any interest in the CAM. NFI on my part. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From steve at artwithcars.com Tue Jan 26 09:54:49 2021 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 08:54:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Message-ID: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. ~Steve From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 10:04:01 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:04:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com> Message-ID: Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Jan 26 10:07:48 2021 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:07:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com>, Message-ID: My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 10:11:48 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:11:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I had conversations with both Macartney and Richardson on this long ago. No real explanation as I remember. But we know that car shows displayed rolling chassis in white. They may have gone down the assembly line later. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Henry A. Morrison wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > > > ~Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Tue Jan 26 10:50:33 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:50:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <6E6BF12F-11C8-4CAA-BEF7-B8FBDCF5DE7A@artwithcars.com>, , Message-ID: Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame................I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? 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URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Tue Jan 26 11:39:27 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:39:27 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> References: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> Message-ID: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black > > Tom > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" > To: "Henry A. Morrison" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Hi all > > Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. > > Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. > > The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. > > Hope this is useful > Tony > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 12:08:36 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 19:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: References: <9ebe9ba9848bfa27bb3c6e196fb2baceb6a946b0@webmail> Message-ID: <1426039850.265786.1611688116508@mail.yahoo.com> The one under my 57 is signal red.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body.?Dave H.? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black? Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam acrossthis she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I startedbuilding the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the recordsshow ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what thatreally meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, displaycar and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chromebits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and awhite rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics.Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitionsdepartment who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by anymeans) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into theTR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on whitechassis frames and still do today. Hope this is usefulTony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ?My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 whitecar is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander viaFot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question?Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because ofdisplay chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3frames ever come from the factory in colors other thanblack??? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From weredinger at cox.net Tue Jan 26 16:06:04 2021 From: weredinger at cox.net (BILL) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:06:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <1426039850.265786.1611688116508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have been researching this rare? event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black.?Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant??The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended.?I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch.It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history.All the Best,Bill RedingerVTR -------- Original message --------From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signal red.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body.?Dave H.?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black?Tom-----------------------------------------From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison"Cc: "FOT Triumph"Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PMSubject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AMTo: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question ? Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black??? 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URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jan 26 18:36:16 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 01:36:16 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Message-ID: <0262f2e14e6c9f0165e3aa23b08c23fb1fa159f8@webmail> In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? -----------------------------------------From: "BILL" To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. All the Best, Bill Redinger VTR -------- Original message -------- From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signal red. Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. Dave H. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. Hope this is useful Tony Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ? My red 1960 has a white frame..............I think my '57 white car is white as well.............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook [1] ------------------------- FROM: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot SENT: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM TO: Steven Belfer CC: FOT Triumph SUBJECT: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com [2] Gasketinnovations.com [3] Cell: 319.464.4711 [4] > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? 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URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Jan 26 19:59:38 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 20:59:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <0262f2e14e6c9f0165e3aa23b08c23fb1fa159f8@webmail> References: <0262f2e14e6c9f0165e3aa23b08c23fb1fa159f8@webmail> Message-ID: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> Could be just excess paint crossed shared? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > ? > In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "BILL" > To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. > Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? > > The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. > > I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. > > It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. > > All the Best, > > Bill Redinger > VTR > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jim Shaw via Fot > Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > The one under my 57 is signal red. > Jim > > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: > > > I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. > Dave H. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: > > When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black > > Tom > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" > To: "Henry A. Morrison" > Cc: "FOT Triumph" > Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Hi all > > Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. > > Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. > > The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. > > Hope this is useful > Tony > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: > > ? > My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well............. > > Henry Morrison > > Sent from Outlook > > > From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM > To: Steven Belfer > Cc: FOT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question > > Essentially, that seems to be true. > > But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. > > I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: > > > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. > > > > ~Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 09:57:58 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:57:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> References: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> Going to have to revise my original post. Upon closer examination of the 57 frame I do not see enough red paint to say it was all red. More rust dirt and nasty grease than red Will know more when the body comes off the frame. Original car unrestored. Jim Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: > > ?Could be just excess paint crossed shared? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "BILL" >> To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" >> Cc: "FOT Triumph" >> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> I have been researching this rare event were frames were painted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. I have personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, Henry Webster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters to me, that all the frames were painted chassis black. >> Over the years I have confirmed that there were very rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint ( Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented, now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added to the list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part ( the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One other strange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paint were not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with Powder Blue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Not exactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up is unknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, as the frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready for assembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembled and painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the same assembly plant? >> >> The above was documented from original owner cars, highly original cars that had fully documented history and original cars that when separating the body from the frame for the first time, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouched from the factory. If you are restoring a car in this category document your findings for future reference is highly recommended. >> >> I do not think that all of them came about because of show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars during assembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time period or batch. >> >> It did happen, how many, for what reason or why is lost in history. >> >> All the Best, >> >> Bill Redinger >> VTR >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Jim Shaw via Fot >> Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave Hogye >> Cc: FOT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> The one under my 57 is signal red. >> Jim >> >> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye via Fot wrote: >> >> >> I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recall one had a red body. >> Dave H. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: >> >> When we were setting up originality guidelines for TRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some were positive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paint gun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it . predominately they were Black >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" >> To: "Henry A. Morrison" >> Cc: "FOT Triumph" >> Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> Hi all >> >> Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam across this she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I started building the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered 2SMC. >> >> Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the records show ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what that really meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, display car and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and 58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chrome bits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time. Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and a white rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered 3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics. Could be all wrong of course. >> >> The other white chassis cars were from the competitions department who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by any means) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into the TR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on white chassis frames and still do today. >> >> Hope this is useful >> Tony >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 white car is white as well............. >> >> Henry Morrison >> >> Sent from Outlook >> >> >> From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM >> To: Steven Belfer >> Cc: FOT Triumph >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question >> >> Essentially, that seems to be true. >> >> But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because of display chassis, etc. >> >> I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fot wrote: >> > >> > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3 frames ever come from the factory in colors other than black? I say black only. >> > >> > ~Steve >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racingcom >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshawtr2 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 11:39:36 2021 From: jshawtr2 at yahoo.com (Jim Shaw) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 18:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR3 frame color question In-Reply-To: <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> References: <5C6EE4C8-90EA-4E1B-907B-37FC68E0B6D5@wi.rr.com> <0783AAF5-2607-4F10-A73E-E1F9F8B42BD7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <894066020.603713.1611772776400@mail.yahoo.com> Best pic of color right side of frame.jim On Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:03:50 PM EST, Jim Shaw via Fot wrote: Going to have to revise my original post. Upon closer examination of the 57 frame I do not see enough red paint to say it was all red. More rust dirt and nasty grease than red Will know more when the body comes off the frame. Original car unrestored.?Jim Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Allen Washatko via Fot wrote: ? Could be just excess paint crossed shared?? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 7:36 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote: ? In the back of my mind is story that frames sat surfaced rusted up outdoors in stacks awaiting use? ----------------------------------------- From: "BILL" To: "Jim Shaw", "trhouse at columbus.rr.com", "Dave Hogye" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 6:06:05PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question I have been researching this rare? event were frames werepainted colors other than black on TR3's since the early 1970's. Ihave personally covered this subject with Alice Dicks, HenryWebster and Ken Richardson they all confirmed, even with letters tome, that all the frames were painted chassis black.?Over the years I have confirmed that there werevery rare cases of frames being painted with body colored paint (Powder Blue, Signal Red, BRG the three colors I have documented,now with this thread have Sebring White and Pale Yellow added tothe list). They are found on later TR3A cars for the most part (the 57 listed below is the earliest one I know of). One otherstrange thing is that the frames that were painted with body paintwere not used on a matching body color car. Black Cars with PowderBlue or Red frames, BRG with Red, Red with Powder Blue, etc. Notexactly color coordinated, why they did not match them up isunknown. Why they painted them with body paint is also unknown, asthe frames came in from a seperate plant area painted and ready forassembly. The bodies came in from Mulliners completely assembledand painted. So the two assemblies were never painted in the sameassembly plant?? The above was documented from original owner cars,highly original cars that had fully documented history and originalcars that when separating the body from the frame for the firsttime, found original paint on the top side of the frame, untouchedfrom the factory. If you are restoring a car in this categorydocument your findings for future reference is highlyrecommended.? I do not think that all of them came about becauseof show or race car use, but was done on ordinary cars duringassembly. Off and on from 1957 thru 1960, not just one time periodor batch. It did happen, how many, for what reason or why islost in history. All the Best, Bill RedingerVTR -------- Original message --------From: Jim Shaw via Fot Date: 1/26/21 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00)To: trhouse at columbus.rr.com, Dave HogyeCc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question The one under my 57 is signalred.Jim On Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:41:48 PM EST, Dave Hogye viaFot wrote: I?ve seen a couple cars with primrose yellow frames. I recallone had a red body.?Dave H.? Sent from myiPhone On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:14 AM, T. R. Householder via Fotwrote: When we were setting up originality guidelines forTRA there was input of random differences in frame color. some werepositive finds. I personally took it as what ever was in the paintgun at the time the frame was posted for paint went on it .predominately they were Black? Tom ----------------------------------------- From: "Tony Sheach via Fot" To: "Henry A. Morrison" Cc: "FOT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday January 26 2021 12:51:10PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question Hi all Motor show cars sometimes had white chassis - I cam acrossthis she looking at the records at BMIHR Gaydon when I startedbuilding the 1958 Earls Court demonstrator (3a) registered2SMC. Cars had three ?standards? of prep it seems and the recordsshow ?A/A?, ?A/B?, ?A/C? etc but no one seems to know what thatreally meant. I surmised that it might be rolling chassis, displaycar and demonstrator car for test use just by looking at the 57 and58 records and the cars pictured and my car, which had nice chromebits everywhere but was also clearly nicely prepped at one time.Other at Earls Court that year were two shiny white 3a?s and awhite rolling chassis. The red Glasgow and Geneva car Registered3SMC looks to have a white chassis from the period B&W pics.Could be all wrong of course. The other white chassis cars were from the competitionsdepartment who tended to paint some Chassis white (not all by anymeans) so that cracks could be seen easily. This flowed into theTR4 programme, where each of the four cars alway ran on whitechassis frames and still do today. Hope this is usefulTony? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jan 2021, at 17:10, Henry A. Morrison via Fot wrote: ?My red 1960 has a white frame...............I think my '57 whitecar is white as well............. Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Fot on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:04 AM To: Steven Belfer Cc: FOT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 frame color question?Essentially, that seems to be true. But I suspect white slipped through once in awhile because ofdisplay chassis, etc. I encountered it when I was involved in a concours. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 > On Jan 26, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Steven Belfer via Fotwrote: > > ?I need help setting an online debate on Facebook. Did TR3frames ever come from the factory in colors other thanblack??? I say black only. > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racingcom > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jshawtr2 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0676.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 79376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 11:55:09 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:55:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance Message-ID: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 12:20:31 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Horn resistance Message-ID: Does anyone know what I should expect to get as the coil resistance on a TR4A horn? One of my winter projects is to figure out why I am blowing the 20 amp horn fuse. My horns measured 0.8 ohms and if I use 13.8VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the 20 amp fuse. I should say that I have a Advanced AutoWire harness in tha car. Thanks, Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 12:26:46 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:26:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: Test message Dave Connitt Sent from my iPhone From 4msonset at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 13:50:05 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 12:50:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance In-Reply-To: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> References: <8266B1CF-06EF-44FD-84C9-C3FE70F31EC5@fuse.net> Message-ID: Sounds like a short in the wiring that feeds through your steering column rather than the horns themselves, though I?m not sure about your ohms question. In my TR4A life, I?ve seen it be a problem in a couple cars. Just some odd ball short of the wiring. > On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: > > ?Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Jan 27 13:54:40 2021 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:54:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Horn coil resistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B7E90CD-C11E-4CDA-A24D-EEDFA0C1EBF7@fuse.net> Well, I thought that too but I measured the coil resistance after disconnecting them from the rest of the circuit. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2021, at 3:50 PM, J Wagner <4msonset at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Sounds like a short in the wiring that feeds through your steering column rather than the horns themselves, though I?m not sure about your ohms question. In my TR4A life, I?ve seen it be a problem in a couple cars. Just some odd ball short of the wiring. > >> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Dave Connitt via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Anyone know what the resistance should be for TR4A horns? The reason I ask is that I keep blowing the horn fuse which is 20 amps. I am getting 0.8 ohms across mine which works out to 17.25Amps @ 13.8V. That seems like it?s a bit close to the fuse rating to me. I am not sure what else could be the problem. >> Thanks, >> Dave Connitt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com >> >> From kknight at klaenv.com Thu Jan 28 08:21:55 2021 From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:21:55 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part Message-ID: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> https://youtu.be/RvdD9RvbAzI We have all had to make a field or home repair of a tool or a part from a machine or our cars. This uses a product we all carry with us and with the addition of some modern fibers you can be up and running with no welding. This fellow has a very interesting channel and he makes and repairs a number of items of interest. Good watching on a cold winters day. Hope all are safe and good racing in 2021. Ken -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 4msonset at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 08:44:23 2021 From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:44:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part In-Reply-To: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: <53CE9EE7-DE2C-4776-A47C-089956DEC5ED@gmail.com> I?d add that when he roughed it up for paint, he could have given it a second round of JB Weld without the fibers. A thin coat, as if applying Bondo, filling in divots, etc. When that dries, then he could sand it without damaging fibers, and the result would be a sexier finish that would be easier to keep clean. > On Jan 28, 2021, at 7:24 AM, kknight--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > https://youtu.be/RvdD9RvbAzI > > We have all had to make a field or home repair of a tool or a part from a machine or our cars. This uses a product we all carry with us and with the addition of some modern fibers you can be up and running with no welding. This fellow has a very interesting channel and he makes and repairs a number of items of interest. Good watching on a cold winters day. Hope all are safe and good racing in 2021. > > Ken > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/4msonset at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jan 28 10:18:12 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 10:18:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clever Shop Repair of a Metal Part In-Reply-To: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d6f589$502428c0$f06c7a40$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: <9a96996c-2e8a-7248-268c-1d829e1eb9b4@bradakis.com> The carbon fiber took me back a few decades.? One of my climbing buddies in the Wasatch Mountain Club was a mechanical engineering gradual student at the U of U.? He'd tell stories about try to test this newfangled carbon fiber stuff, and all the old stress testing machines they had would break before the sample part being tested. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 29 12:33:18 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:33:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? Message-ID: I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? Or, do I need to find another block? Scott Janzen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Jan 29 13:53:51 2021 From: list at mackenzie.aero (list at mackenzie.aero) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:53:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat Message-ID: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ Anybody familiar with this car? Robert MacKenzie ?62 Spit Georgetown TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 14:02:43 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:02:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on BaT References: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> Shhhh?. If anyone really wants to see me in Portland, please just let my high bid stand. Thanks for you?re understanding... ? Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer aka Guzi66 Albuquerque NM From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 14:07:59 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:07:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 on BaT In-Reply-To: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> References: <09973F1B-41DC-49A8-864F-31635B9F390D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: The interior panels I made for Don and Bob in about 1993. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:03 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > ?Shhhh?. > If anyone really wants to see me in Portland, > please just let my high bid stand. > Thanks for you?re understanding... ? > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > aka Guzi66 > Albuquerque NM > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Jan 29 14:14:15 2021 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:14:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don Brick's former car. That car was raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' School in 1999. Don sold the TR4 to Jonathon Suhre a number of years ago, but I don't think Jonathon raced it more than once or twice. Jonathon's Dad Ken may have had it out a bit as well. Ken is a TRiumph guy with a really nice TR3, and he has vintage raced for many years in his Mini. Looking at the pics from 2018, Ken did a complete makeover of the car. Ken sold the TR4 on BAT in 2018. The link is in the first paragraph of the current BAT ad. I don't know if Ken is on the FOT list, but if anyone here is interested in this car, if you contact me I can put you in touch with Ken. Irv Korey On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot wrote: > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ > > Anybody familiar with this car? > > Robert MacKenzie > ?62 Spit > Georgetown TX > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Jan 29 15:06:30 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:06:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I am familiar. As Irv states that's Don Brick's car, the third member of the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. I rode shotgun in that car for one lap at Grattan some 15+ years ago. It was my first time at the track, and VSCDA has/had a deal where they allowed lunchtime rides around the track. Probably for charity, I don't remember. What I do remember was Bill Dentinger, Bob Wismer and Don thought I needed some "instruction" on how to drive the track, so Don and I go out at lunchtime. We are in street clothes, no helmets, and all I have a lap belt. Well, we drive out of the pits and Don is on it, full chat. We are heading for turn one, and I realize Don is not slowing down, he's hard on the gas right up to the braking point. He calmly says "I like to be over here when I brake", and stabs the brakes, turns in, and we go sliding around turn one. I'm looking for things to hold on to but coming up short. We are coming up on another car, and I am thinking OK, the guy running lunchtime laps was adamant, parade laps, no passing, so I am thinking Don is going to fall in line... Wrong. Don just blows right by him and we continue blasting around the track with tires squealing on every corner, and a running commentary from Don on how he approaches the track. I seem to remember we got shown the black flag at start/finish the first time by, Don looks at me and says something like "I wonder what that was for?" Back in the pits I remember Don explaining to whoever was yelling at him that he never heard any of the rules about the lunchtime laps! Good fun... I hope the car finds a good home, even better if it comes back to our neck of the woods. The last time all three Beady Eye cars were together was 2017 at Blackhawk. On 2021-01-29 16:14, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don > Brick's former car. That car was > raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' > School in 1999. > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot > wrote: > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ >> >> Anybody familiar with this car? >> From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 16:55:43 2021 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 23:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1675169425.434871.1611964543069@mail.yahoo.com> Your information is correct Irv. When Jonathan bought it from Don, it was in bad need of TLC. He drove it as purchased once or maybe twice. It was not running well and leaked oil badly from the engine and transmission. It had low compression on a couple of cylinders so we pulled the engine and transmission at his home. But progress was slow then he got a job that moved him away from near me. I bought him out, then finished reconditioning the engine and resealing the transmission. I had all the battle scars smoothed out and painted a not very particular paint job. The brakes and fuel cell were replaced and I put the Panasport wheels and new Hoosier tires on. I raced it for the last time at the Kastner Cup at Blackhawk. At the time I also had two racing Minis so the TR 4 was sold to Najeb Kahn (sp?) on Bring a Trailer. It was recently sold at the RM Sotheby's Auction in Elkhart Indiana for $17,360 according to Classic Motorsport.? Ken Suhre On Friday, January 29, 2021, 03:15:40 PM CST, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don Brick's former car. That car wasraced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' School in 1999. Don sold the TR4 to Jonathon Suhre a number of years ago, but I don't think Jonathon raced it more than once or twice. Jonathon's Dad Ken may have had it out a bit as well. Ken is a TRiumph guy with a really nice TR3, and he has vintage raced formany years in his Mini. Looking at the pics from 2018, Ken did a complete makeover of the car. Ken sold the TR4 on BAT in 2018.The link is in the first paragraph of the current BAT ad. I don't know if Ken is on the FOT list, but if anyone here is interested in this car, if you contact me I can put you in touchwith Ken. Irv Korey On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot wrote: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ Anybody familiar with this car? 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URL: From cmstenquist at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 16:58:07 2021 From: cmstenquist at gmail.com (carl stenquist) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:58:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1962 TR4 Race car on Bat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Earlier in the BaT listing there was a list of all of the owners and the time frame when they had possession. All of a sudden that was removed from the listing. Did anyone else see that? Carl On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 5:08 PM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > Yeah, I am familiar. As Irv states that's Don Brick's car, the third > member of the original Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team. > > I rode shotgun in that car for one lap at Grattan some 15+ years ago. It > was my first time at the track, and VSCDA has/had a deal where they > allowed lunchtime rides around the track. Probably for charity, I don't > remember. What I do remember was Bill Dentinger, Bob Wismer and Don > thought I needed some "instruction" on how to drive the track, so Don > and I go out at lunchtime. We are in street clothes, no helmets, and all > I have a lap belt. Well, we drive out of the pits and Don is on it, full > chat. We are heading for turn one, and I realize Don is not slowing > down, he's hard on the gas right up to the braking point. He calmly > says "I like to be over here when I brake", and stabs the brakes, turns > in, and we go sliding around turn one. I'm looking for things to hold on > to but coming up short. We are coming up on another car, and I am > thinking OK, the guy running lunchtime laps was adamant, parade laps, no > passing, so I am thinking Don is going to fall in line... Wrong. Don > just blows right by him and we continue blasting around the track with > tires squealing on every corner, and a running commentary from Don on > how he approaches the track. I seem to remember we got shown the black > flag at start/finish the first time by, Don looks at me and says > something like "I wonder what that was for?" Back in the pits I remember > Don explaining to whoever was yelling at him that he never heard any of > the rules about the lunchtime laps! Good fun... > > I hope the car finds a good home, even better if it comes back to our > neck of the woods. The last time all three Beady Eye cars were together > was 2017 at Blackhawk. > > On 2021-01-29 16:14, Irv Korey via Fot wrote: > > The number and the red wire wheels are the key giveaways. That's Don > > Brick's former car. That car was > > raced for many years in the midwest. Don was my instructor at Drivers' > > School in 1999. > > > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:57 PM list--- via Fot > > wrote: > > > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ > >> > >> Anybody familiar with this car? > >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cmstenquist at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Jan 29 17:05:51 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:05:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> Paeco Racing is closing and selling their inventory at 50%. They have blocks and heads for Triumph?s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > From bschirano1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 17:07:23 2021 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:07:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The two GT6 blocks I've recently worked on have the notched bottom bores. I'd have to look Monday about the crank blow outs on the manifold side. I will defer to others with more knowledge as to GT/TR interchangeability, but my understanding is the differences were in the crank, pistons and intake manis, not the blocks Cheers Brian On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:34 PM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s > sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just > start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with > the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a > 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating > GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear > a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb > heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores > to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have > (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not > that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same > block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jan 29 17:57:31 2021 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 19:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> References: <95310553-3362-467B-832B-D3AD46323C2A@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <001b01d6f6a2$e39a6690$aacf33b0$@rr.com> Folks, If this is the same Paeco I'm thinking of it had a pretty poor reputation years back and the sale of race parts and "prepared" engines usually just once to customers. They at that time had a line of MG & TR products. I can say, if in fact this is the same outfit, be very sure of what you're buying. Last incident I heard of was a spridget that had one of their "hot" clutch/PP setups. At high rpm on track at The Glen the PP came apart and shot out the side of the bell housing missing her ankle by maybe 2". Miss Nardi was extremely fortunate. Russ -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Washatko via Fot Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 7:06 PM To: Scott Janzen Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? Paeco Racing is closing and selling their inventory at 50%. They have blocks and heads for Triumph?s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > > ?I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. > > I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). > > So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? > > Or, do I need to find another block? > > Scott Janzen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From sjanzen at me.com Fri Jan 29 19:11:31 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:11:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 vs TR6 blocks - interchangeability? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72C349A9-61D3-42C1-B1FF-84F55ADD42EA@me.com> I know the differences are the head (deeper head/thus larger combustion chamber on the TR6 to be proportionate to increased stroke and keep compression ratio reasonable. Rods are the same, crank is stroked to get to larger displacement, cylinders have the same bore, TR6 pistons have a ?higher? wrist pin height equal to the amount of the increased throw, as the rods are the same. On Jan 29, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Brian Schirano wrote: The two GT6 blocks I've recently worked on have the notched bottom bores. I'd have to look Monday about the crank blow outs on the manifold side. I will defer to others with more knowledge as to GT/TR interchangeability, but my understanding is the differences were in the crank, pistons and intake manis, not the blocks Cheers Brian On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:34 PM Scott Janzen via Fot > wrote: I am rebuilding my street TR6. I need to replace the block - it?s sleeved, bored 30 over, and needs another bore, and I would rather just start over as it?s not original to the car anyway. It?s a later block with the horizontal reinforcement cast into the manifold side, and the car is a 1970. I have another block, allegedly from a GT6, has a KD number indicating GT6, but it has the concave/convex ?blowouts? on the manifold side to clear a TR6 crank, which none of my other GT6 blocks have. It?s also 25 lb heavier than a GT6 block, and has notches at the bottom of the piston bores to clear the con rods, which I?m pretty sure the GT6 blocks don?t have (though I don?t have a GT6 engine apart and apparently my memory is not that good). So, here?s the question - can I use this for the TR6 - is it the same block where at some point the factory used them interchangeably? Or, do I need to find another block? Scott Janzen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com -- Brian Schirano 585-305-0349 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 10:52:11 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:52:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Lug Nuts - Free References: <761108415.589238.1612104771087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A4C659D-C2C7-4E34-AC2E-F4953D27EEFA@gmail.com> This comes from one of our famous FOT. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: > From: Jack Wheeler > Date: January 31, 2021 at 8:53:08 AM CST > To: Joe Alexander > Subject: Fw: Lug Nuts - Free > > ? > Hi Joe. I've got a lot of old lug nuts I would like to give away. Below is an email I tried to send to the FOT list, but it bounced back (twice). I used the same email address for FOT that I have been using all along, and it has always worked before. Can you please forward my memo and the pictures to the FOT list? Also, do you see anything wrong with the email address I used? > > I am limited to about 5-6 photos per email, so I sent two more emails with additional photos. If you can forward my email, I will delete the photos from the main email and forward the additional photos in separate emails. > > Thanks, Joe. > > Jack > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Jack Wheeler > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021, 7:36:34 PM EST > Subject: Lug Nuts - Free > > Over my 25 years of racing, different cars, different wheels, etc. resulted in me having a rather large quantity of lug nuts, which I no longer need. They are as follows: > > . 21 lug nuts which came with a set of American Racing wheels on a race car I bought. The condition is rough, but they might be nice to have as spares. Thread is 1/2", shank diam = .685", shank length = .675". > > . 16 1/2" thread lug nuts. Very good condition. These nuts originally had domes on top, but when I went to a longer (3") stud, I had the tops cut off and ran the threads all the way through. Shank diam = .680", shank length = .750". > > . 8 12M 1.50 thread lug nuts with dome top. Shank diam = .680", shank Length = .750". > > . 7 1/2" thread lug nuts, tops cut off and threaded through. Good condition. Shank diam = .680", shank length = 1.20" > > . 6 Misc lug nuts. Three 7/16" thread with dome, shank diam = .680", length = 1.05". Three 1/2" thread, drilled & threaded through. Shank diam = .680", length 1 @ .450" & 2 @ .730". > > . 9 1/2" thread lug nuts, no top, threaded through. Shank Diam = .680", length = .800". > > . 20 specially made thick washers. See pictures. The ID is .695", and thickness is .180". Any interest? > > All of the above lug nuts come with washers. I tried to match the type of washers with the type of lug nuts they would have come with. These are all free for the asking. I only ask that you pay whatever it costs to ship. Any that are not claimed go the the scrap yard. Again, thanks for your help in cleaning out my garage (getting rid of stuff I no longer need). > > See attached pictures of the first 3 items listed above. 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Name: 1-29-21 - 8 Lug Nuts - 12M 1.50.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 105522 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-29-21 - 8 Lug Nuts - 12M 1.501.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 99971 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sonomascot at aol.com Sun Jan 31 11:28:24 2021 From: sonomascot at aol.com (Scott Meredith) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 18:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Lug Nuts - Free In-Reply-To: <6A4C659D-C2C7-4E34-AC2E-F4953D27EEFA@gmail.com> References: <761108415.589238.1612104771087@mail.yahoo.com> <6A4C659D-C2C7-4E34-AC2E-F4953D27EEFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58797938.492036.1612117704562@mail.yahoo.com> I've got some old rusty nuts also !! -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 9:54 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Lug Nuts - Free This comes from one of our famous FOT. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 Begin forwarded message: From: Jack Wheeler Date: January 31, 2021 at 8:53:08 AM CST To: Joe Alexander Subject: Fw: Lug Nuts - Free ? Hi Joe.? I've got a lot of old lug nuts I would like to give away.? Below is an email I tried to send to the FOT list, but it bounced back (twice).? I used the same email address for FOT that I have been using all along, and it has always worked before.? Can you please forward my memo and the pictures to the FOT list?? Also, do you see anything wrong with the email address I used? I am limited to about 5-6 photos per email, so I sent two more emails with additional photos.? If you can forward my email, I will delete the photos from the main email and forward the additional photos in separate emails. Thanks, Joe. Jack ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021, 7:36:34 PM ESTSubject: Lug Nuts - Free Over my 25 years of racing, different cars, different wheels, etc. resulted in me having a rather large quantity of lug nuts, which I no longer need.? They are as follows: .? 21 lug nuts which came with a set of American Racing wheels on a race car I bought.? The condition is rough, but they might be nice to have as spares.? Thread is 1/2", shank diam = .685", shank length = .675". .? 16 1/2" thread lug nuts.? Very good condition.? These nuts originally had domes on top, but when I went to a longer (3") stud, I had the tops cut off and ran the threads all the way through.? Shank diam = .680", shank length = .750". .? 8 12M 1.50 thread lug nuts with dome top.? Shank diam = .680", shank Length = .750". .? 7 1/2" thread lug nuts, tops cut off and threaded through.? Good condition.? Shank diam = .680", shank length = 1.20" .? 6 Misc lug nuts.? Three 7/16" thread with dome, shank diam = .680", length = 1.05".? Three 1/2" thread, drilled & threaded through.? Shank diam = .680", length 1 @ .450" & 2 @ .730". .? 9 1/2" thread lug nuts, no top, threaded through.?? Shank Diam = .680", length = .800". .? 20 specially made thick washers.? See pictures.? The ID is .695", and thickness is .180".? Any interest? All of the above lug nuts come with washers.? I tried to match the type of washers with the type of lug nuts they would have come with.? These are all free for the asking.? I only ask that you pay whatever it costs to ship.? Any that are not claimed go the the scrap yard.? Again, thanks for your help in cleaning out my garage (getting rid of stuff I no longer need). See attached pictures of the first 3 items listed above.? I will have to send subsequent emails with the rest of the pictures. 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