From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 09:05:29 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:05:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lug Nuts In-Reply-To: <393345931.671193.1612132994796@mail.yahoo.com> References: <393345931.671193.1612132994796.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <393345931.671193.1612132994796@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> I do have some old nuts that I?m not using, but I?d hate to part with them. As a patient once said to his cancer doc ?No, I?m not using them, but they sure do dress up a man?. > On Jan 31, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I assume most of you have a bunch of old lug nuts laying around. But, just in case somebody needs a spare or two, I've got a lot of them on their way to the scrap metal man, if not claimed. Joe was kind enough to forward my email about this. I tried to forward the pictures of the remaining 4 items, using the same email address Joe used, but for some reason they didn't go through. So, if anyone saw Joe's email and would like to see pictures of items 4 - 7 in my list, please email me directly and I will send you the pictures you want to see. Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 09:14:51 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 10:14:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lug Nuts In-Reply-To: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> References: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: I knew that was coming. See you in July for the Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I do have some old nuts that I?m not using, but I?d hate to part with them. As a patient once said to his cancer doc ?No, I?m not using them, but they sure do dress up a man?. > >> On Jan 31, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I assume most of you have a bunch of old lug nuts laying around. But, just in case somebody needs a spare or two, I've got a lot of them on their way to the scrap metal man, if not claimed. Joe was kind enough to forward my email about this. I tried to forward the pictures of the remaining 4 items, using the same email address Joe used, but for some reason they didn't go through. So, if anyone saw Joe's email and would like to see pictures of items 4 - 7 in my list, please email me directly and I will send you the pictures you want to see. 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URL: From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 10:12:05 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 12:12:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] to Duncan Charlton Message-ID: <1612285925.3nrjrtc7sw8s48o8@webmail.lumos.net> Hi Duncan, I was just reading the new issue of the SVBCC newsletter and realized that you have moved to this area. I guess either I missed it or hadn't been paying attention, but anyway, welcome to the Central Virginia area. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 13:13:38 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket Message-ID: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From john at linneyweb.com Tue Feb 2 13:20:25 2021 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:20:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> I got mine from The Roadster Factory and it?s been great, though I suspect they aren?t meant to be reused as they crush to achieve their seal. > On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Feb 2 13:36:34 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) References: <1784116944.1721821.1612298194489.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1784116944.1721821.1612298194489@mail.yahoo.com> Hi those intake/ exhaust gaskets the hp are made for one time use. ?Once torqued up they?re done. ?You can smear a little?motor oil on their?surface prior to assembly.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, February 2, 2021,?R. John Lye via Fot??wrote: Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Feb 2 13:38:23 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <661004509.1196002.1612298303691@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, they are pretty much a one-time gasket due to their sandwich type construction. ?But they do work well under hi temp use. I'd like to find a source as Moss and TRF were out of them last time I checked.... Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: John Linney via Fot To: R. John Lye Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2021 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket I got mine from The Roadster Factory and it?s been great, though I suspect they aren?t meant to be reused as they crush to achieve their seal. > On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. >? > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Tue Feb 2 13:42:05 2021 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:42:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 3255 West 26th Street Erie, PA 16506 Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 Fax:??????? 888-865-5279 Email:??? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 13:51:51 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A205C95-A163-4412-A574-22D834CF12E0@gmail.com> We have REMFLEX in stock and discounted. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > > ?I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > > I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > > http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 3255 West 26th Street > Erie, PA 16506 > > Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 > Fax: 888-865-5279 > Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 14:00:25 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 16:00:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> Thanks for all the good ideas folks. I think that I am going to try the Remflex gaskets.? If they are good enough for Joe Alexander, they should be a good product. Thanks, John ? On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500, "R. John Lye via Fot" wrote: Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net ? From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Feb 2 14:06:10 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:06:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use.? However they are NOT reusable. Regards, Tony Drews On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > > I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > > http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 3255 West 26th Street > Erie, PA 16506 > > Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 > Fax:??????? 888-865-5279 > Email:??? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 14:10:53 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <051BA274-9A8F-482B-B693-74DA03C43BDE@gmail.com> Sean Alexander is using them and has them in stock at a discount. I am trying to be retired. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 2, 2021, at 3:07 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all the good ideas folks. I think that I am going to try the Remflex > gaskets. If they are good enough for Joe Alexander, they should be a good > product. > > Thanks, > John > > > > > > > On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500, "R. John Lye via Fot" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Feb 2 15:54:53 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 16:54:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. - Tony On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > > Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > I use your head gaskets by the way. > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >> >> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >> >> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >> >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 3255 West 26th Street >> Erie, PA 16506 >> >> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 >> Fax: 888-865-5279 >> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >> Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> John >> >> rjl6n at cstone.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Feb 2 16:16:38 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:16:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net>, <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <7D5866DA-33FC-406B-A70C-0B8FAA3C2335@mhc-law.com> I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade. I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size. Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly. It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > - Tony > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. >> >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. >> I use your head gaskets by the way. >> >> Jim G >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. >> >> Regards, Tony Drews >> >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >>> >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >>> >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> 3255 West 26th Street >>> Erie, PA 16506 >>> >>> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 >>> Fax: 888-865-5279 >>> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >>> Fot >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >>> rjl6n at cstone.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 16:24:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <253173756.1410263.1612308246319@mail.yahoo.com> Sort of like cutting the old Factory steel head gaskets to fit the liners, except you can't cut those with a knife.? Did you know they were originally made to be part of a decompression kit for Europe, due to poor fuel quality there.? Someone (probably Kas or Group 44) came up with the idea of using them to increase compression in race engines.. Regards. Jack On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, 6:00:16 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. - Tony On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > > Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > I use your head gaskets by the way. > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >> >> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >> >> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >> >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 3255 West 26th Street >> Erie, PA 16506 >> >> Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 >> Fax:? ? ? ? 888-865-5279 >> Email:? ? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >> Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? >> Thanks in advance. >>? ? >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> John >> >> rjl6n at cstone.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Feb 2 16:50:19 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D References: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> You cant cut my gaskets with a knife. ?SS insert in the sandwich. ?Need a heavy press and cutting die Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, February 2, 2021,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > - Tony > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. >> >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. >> I use your head gaskets by the way. >> >> Jim G >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. >> >> Regards, Tony Drews >> >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >>> >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >>> >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> 3255 West 26th Street >>> Erie, PA 16506 >>> >>> Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 >>> Fax:? ? ? ? 888-865-5279 >>> Email:? ? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >>> Fot >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? >>> Thanks in advance. >>>? >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >>> rjl6n at cstone.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Feb 2 16:54:38 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 17:54:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> I got tired of the stuff commercially available (to be fair hadn?t tried anything from Joe so his might be great too). I decided to go to a supplier of graphite composite gaskets used in the oil and gas market. They cut me several sets in different thicknesses back about 10 years ago. Can you believe I?ve been using the same set since? Been off and reinstalled at least 4 times. Great product. Unfortunately I?ll have to search for the supplier and I?m sure to make a run won?t be cheap. Certainly willing to share if someone wants to start a supply line of these as I?ve proven there a great product. Details to follow if I make it away from my computer long enough to see my shop this weekend. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Tue Feb 2 18:28:23 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> Message-ID: <0A739540-9078-46DE-A935-863763EBAD8C@me.com> i?d be interested in knowing what the material is. Years ago I got several gaskets from PRI for the GT6 - not a reliable supplier and now gone, but I?m still using and re-using the gaskets. He made them for Spitfires too. It is a thick grey material that has more "give", but has a surface finish almost like masonite hardboard. As such, I can slip a blade under it to separate it from the head and re-use it. I just smear a little permatex black around the intakes. I?ve been using the same one for probably six years or more. It?s been removed at least that many times. I?d love to find something as long lasting as that. Scott On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: I got tired of the stuff commercially available (to be fair hadn?t tried anything from Joe so his might be great too). I decided to go to a supplier of graphite composite gaskets used in the oil and gas market. They cut me several sets in different thicknesses back about 10 years ago. Can you believe I?ve been using the same set since? Been off and reinstalled at least 4 times. Great product. Unfortunately I?ll have to search for the supplier and I?m sure to make a run won?t be cheap. Certainly willing to share if someone wants to start a supply line of these as I?ve proven there a great product. Details to follow if I make it away from my computer long enough to see my shop this weekend. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. 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URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 20:37:08 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 19:37:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> Hi Amici, The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. Chuck > On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. > > Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? > > If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. > > Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! > > Chuck > >> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >> >> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >> >> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >> >> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> >>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> >>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Gee >>> >>> This is the back: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> >>> From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 2 21:04:05 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:04:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bolt 3 gaskets on the head, plug the ports well and then use a Dremel with a stone wheel to enlarge the gasket holes to match the ports. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:06 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?You cant cut my gaskets with a knife. SS insert in the sandwich. Need a heavy press and cutting die > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade. I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size. Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly. It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > > > - Tony > > > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > >> > >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > >> I use your head gaskets by the way. > >> > >> Jim G > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > >> > >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > >> > >> Regards, Tony Drews > >> > >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > >>> > >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > >>> > >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA > >>> 3255 West 26th Street > >>> Erie, PA 16506 > >>> > >>> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 > >>> Fax: 888-865-5279 > >>> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > >>> > >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via > >>> Fot > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > >>> To: fot at autox.team.net > >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > >>> Thanks in advance. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thanks, > >>> John > >>> > >>> rjl6n at cstone.net > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tons of history and some good stuff not mentioned in the listing - Overdrive, Southwick rear axle, uncle jack prep?d head and what I assume to be a Tony Drews front hub and spindle kit and more. Sure hope it ends up with a FoT rather than attempts to bring it back to a street car. All the best and Happy Bidding! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Wed Feb 3 14:16:11 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:16:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TVT Newsletter back issue Message-ID: Looking for a copy of TVT Newsletter Number 13 Thanks tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Householder via Fot wrote: > Looking for a copy of TVT Newsletter Number 13 > > Thanks > > tom > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 17:57:27 2021 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 19:57:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Free Valves Message-ID: <739278428.8240.1612486648006@connect.xfinity.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, if any of you can identify the following valves, I'll send them along Priority Mail, free. Failing identification in the next few days, I'll give them to anyone that wants them. The intakes measure 1.692" in diameter, with a .340" stem and are about 4-3/4" long. The exhaust measure 1.42" in diameter, with a .340" stem and are about 4.66" long. Ed Woods -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Fri Feb 5 10:05:03 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 17:05:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mike Sutcliffe Message-ID: Can anyone provide me with Contact info or life status for Mike Sutcliffe UK Rally driver early 60s Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. Kindly, Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 6 05:04:10 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 13:04:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hi Dan, I've experience with the plain copper gaskets of Mordy Dunst, with or without his stainless steel O-rings. In my opinion, there is no need of using O-rings on a wet liner engine because the liners are protruding above the engine block. If the liners are not protruding evenly (0.005-0.0075"), the O-rings will not make things better. I've used the copper gaskets with the stainless steel O-rings in a 4-cyl TR engine with welded liners and also on a 6-cylinder TR engine with evenly spaced cylinders : as the liners are not protruding in these engines, the O-rings are useful and are working very well (together with the copper gaskets). As for the Fo8 gaskets : nothing is wrong with the copper and aluminium gaskets that are available nowadays, there is a small difference in thickness. Of course, leaks can occur because of corrosion or when moving the crankshaft when the liners are not fixed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Vrijdag 5 februari 2021 20:06:18 Onderwerp: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65133 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 6 05:33:08 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:33:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <33C4E199-7C33-48D4-9FB1-ED8268133EE6@aol.com> I agree with Marcel regarding the o-rings and liner protrusion dimensions. I use the steel fo8 gaskets with no sealant. Just be sure everything is super clean. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2021, at 7:10 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Dan, > I've experience with the plain copper gaskets of Mordy Dunst, with or without his stainless steel O-rings. In my opinion, there is no need of using O-rings on a wet liner engine because the liners are protruding above the engine block. > If the liners are not protruding evenly (0.005-0.0075"), the O-rings will not make things better. I've used the copper gaskets with the stainless steel O-rings in a 4-cyl TR engine with welded liners and also on a 6-cylinder TR engine with evenly spaced cylinders : as the liners are not protruding in these engines, the O-rings are useful and are working very well (together with the copper gaskets). As for the Fo8 gaskets : nothing is wrong with the copper and aluminium gaskets that are available nowadays, there is a small difference in thickness. Of course, leaks can occur because of corrosion or when moving the crankshaft when the liners are not fixed. > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" > Verzonden: Vrijdag 5 februari 2021 20:06:18 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar on them for final assembly. https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: > > ?Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Feb 6 13:40:49 2021 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:40:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> I like hylomar too. It needs to be thin so it will easily squish out. Something like the old Permatex will screw up all your efforts to get the correct liner height. ?- Larry On 2/6/2021 8:00 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > For the Fo8, I?ve always used Hylomar blue. Great stuff. I?m sure > other non setting materials might work just as well but this has > always worked for me so I have not tried anything else. > > Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust > the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar > on them for final assembly. > > https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ > > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the >> preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for >> each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / >> observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I >> am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with >> Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the >> front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy >> Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive >> shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel >> valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S >> roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A >> head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior >> imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth >> any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume >> of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 >> copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side >> of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each >> side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has >> allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am >> aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking >> forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get >> this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 6 13:46:23 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:46:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> Message-ID: <005301d6fcc9$217944f0$646bced0$@gmail.com> When using the thick silicone layer?.I put the head on and give moderate torque on to force the liners down and let it sit for an hour or so before I continue. I don?t trust Hylomar at this place. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Larry Young via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 6. Februar 2021 21:41 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets I like hylomar too. It needs to be thin so it will easily squish out. Something like the old Permatex will screw up all your efforts to get the correct liner height. - Larry On 2/6/2021 8:00 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: For the Fo8, I?ve always used Hylomar blue. Great stuff. I?m sure other non setting materials might work just as well but this has always worked for me so I have not tried anything else. Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar on them for final assembly. https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ Greg Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: ? Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 13:52:21 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 20:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Free Stuff References: <2118394496.2617201.1612644741571.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2118394496.2617201.1612644741571@mail.yahoo.com> When Paul Trapp did some very significant dyno work for me years ago, he set up a special cam gear, which we could use to vary cam timing between dyno runs, without having to tear down the front end of the engine.? Basically, he elongated the bolt holes so we could change the cam timing by just loosening the bolts, moving the gear to the desired timing and tightening the bolts.? I no longer have need for this modified cam gear, and would be happy to give it to someone who can use it during their dyno runs.? I did not use this gear in a race engine (just on the dyno). With only this gear, you would still have to remove the timing cover to change the timing.? So, Paul also made me a modified timing cover (currently listed on Ebay) with an access hole over the timing gear bolts and a 6 bolt cover over the access hole.? To do this, he had to weld a ring on the inside of the cover and drill & tap it for the cover bolts to screw into.? A rather complicated, but very professional job. I'm not going to give this modified valve cover away, because of the effort that went into the modification.? However, I don't know of anyone else who has made this kind of a modification.? If you want to do multiple dyno runs and try various cam timing settings in a single day, this combination will help you do it.? If you just want the cam gear, let me know and I will ship it to you.? If you are interested in both the gear and the modified timing cover, let me know, and I will work with you on a package price.? I'd like to see someone get these, who can put them to use again. .Best regards. 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Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65133 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 19:17:01 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 19:17:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Feb 7 01:44:58 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:44:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. Marcel Van: "fot" Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < [ mailto:adcronin at mi.rr.com | adcronin at mi.rr.com ] > wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 07:54:37 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Casket Cement of Figure 8 Gaskets References: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> I've read all the comments.? All I can share is my experience.? When I started racing, a long time TR-3 driver recommended just plain old brown Permatex on both sides of the gasket, and on the block and liners.? I'm old school, and believe, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".? In over 50 years of building race and street engines I have never had a leak in my Figure 8 gaskets.? And, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Feb 7 08:11:50 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco > On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot > wrote: > >> hylomar. >> >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> >> Frank >> >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin > wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Feb 7 08:45:27 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> Message-ID: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. ? I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. ?Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. ?They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - ?if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. ?Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...?Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice.Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone.that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.?leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Feb 7 10:06:44 2021 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 11:06:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Casket Cement of Figure 8 Gaskets In-Reply-To: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack, Do you measure liner height before or after application of Permatex? This discussion (and numerous others) shows that everyone develops their own methods. They find something that works and then sticks with it. Obviously, there are multiple solutions to many of these problems. With regard to getting the landings clean, when building a new motor I used to bead blast the entire block. Can't believe I was once stout enough to heft it into the bead blaster. ?- Larry On 2/7/2021 8:54 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > I've read all the comments. All I can share is my experience.? When I > started racing, a long time TR-3 driver recommended just plain old > brown Permatex on both sides of the gasket, and on the block and > liners.? I'm old school, and believe, "if it ain't broke, don't fix > it".? In over 50 years of building race and street engines I have > never had a leak in my Figure 8 gaskets.? And, that's my story and I'm > stickin' to it. > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Feb 7 10:06:46 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:06:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface. Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the surface condition. I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles. I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set them in place. I haven't pulled the liners. I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back together. I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent. The sealant is just added insurance. Dave H. > On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. > Marcel > > --------------------------------------------- > Van: "fot" > Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > hylomar. > > > > never sets up solid like silicone. > > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < adcronin at mi.rr.com mailto:adcronin at mi.rr.com > wrote: > > > > > > Folks > > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > > DC > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Feb 7 10:45:07 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:45:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <109952031.84463443.1612719907049.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" , "Dan Cronin" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. 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It won?t tear thin paper gaskets during disassembly. Great stuff. > On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. > The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. > Marcel > > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" , "Dan Cronin" > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 12:18:09 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512296237.3518071.1612725489784@mail.yahoo.com> When I last raced my TR3 in 2012, the engine had been together for a couple years and I had been using Joe Gibbs? XP1 oil for probably 5 years.? Never had any problems with it dissolving the Aviation Permatex on the rear seal enough to cause a leak, but I would find pieces of the sealant on the oil pick-up screens.? The engine is back together and in the car to race this year, assembled again with the Aviation Permatex on the rear seal.? I guess I will need to find another oil.? To save some research time, does anyone have suggestions of oil that does not attack the Aviation Permatex?? ?I have been using Shaffers race oils in my Miata.? I will need to check with them about compatibility.? It would make it easier to have just one flavor of oil in the garage and trailer.? Joe B. On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 10:49:28 AM EST, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. ? I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. ?Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. ?They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - ?if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. ?Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...?Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice.Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone.that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.?leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:02:23 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:02:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <109952031.84463443.1612719907049.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <012F7918-49CD-44BC-91E5-F114F92E8A69@gmail.com> I?ve never really understood the passion for aviation permeatex. It?s unpleasant stuff and makes a mess. I think it?s just handy and comes in a big can so once you buy some it?s hanging around in your shop forever. I have a can that?s probably 30 years old?it will probably be around long after I kick. I never use it. > On Feb 7, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > I used Yamabond #4 & #5 for 15 years on my race bikes, no gaskets at all?..great stuff. > > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney at Law > Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A. > 301 S. York St., > P.O. 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We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the federal Bankruptcy Code. > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:23 PM > To: Marcel Van Mulders > Cc: Frank Fisher ; fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > The Japanese motorcycle manufacturers solved the fundamental gasket-enhancement issue long ago, with two products that perform like Hylomar but IMHO are a bit better. Yamaha called them Yamabond #4 and #5. The product is actually made by Threebond, and about every MC company uses them and private labels the stuff, including Ducati. #4 is a heavier consistency and can be used in gasket-less applications. #5 is thin, flexible and non-hardening and works well for coating gaskets. It won?t tear thin paper gaskets during disassembly. Great stuff. > > > On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: > > Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. > The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. > Marcel > > > > Van: "fot" > > Aan: "Triumph List" >, "fot" >, "Dan Cronin" > > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin > wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Feb 7 14:24:28 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <627262633.2475258.1612733068182@mail.yahoo.com> I made a lapping tool out of a liner as well.Cut the cylinder & base off and welded a bridge piece across it with a big nut in the center to get a speed handle & socket on.Good old copper-coat to seal.Never any concerns at all w/figure-8s, just need good mating surfaces, correct liner height, and proper torque. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be; van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot ; Greg Hilyer Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface.? Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the surface condition.?? I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles.? I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set them in place.? I haven't pulled the liners.? I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back together. I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent.? The sealant is just added insurance. Dave H. ? On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ? ? ? It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. Marcel Van: "fot" Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets ? ? Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...? Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: hylomar. ? never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.? leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. ? the best gasket dressing ever invented. ? Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < adcronin at mi.rr.com> wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 7 16:14:21 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:14:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <9ed275aa-d486-d04e-1daa-03daf4a8f446@tonydrews.com> I suspect the reason so many sealants are successful is that it's not really required.? I personally use Gaskacinch on that surface, used to use it on head gaskets too before I switched to Cometic head gaskets. Regards, Tony Drews On 2/7/2021 11:06 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface. > Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image > of the surface condition. > I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I > put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now > apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 > miles.? I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set > them in place.? I haven't pulled the liners. I thought I'd just > replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh > the valves and seats and put it back together. > I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is > necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent.? The sealant is > just added insurance. > Dave H. >> On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> wrote: >> It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 >> gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products >> won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these >> can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : >> the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. >> Marcel >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Van: *"fot" >> *Cc: *"Triumph List" , "fot" >> >> *Verzonden: *Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets >> Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... >> Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old >> liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve >> lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. >> Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net >> > wrote: >> >> hylomar. >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, >> come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> Frank >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < >> adcronin at mi.rr.com > wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on >> the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have >> worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And >> ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off >> list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit >> from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main >> crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the >> rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA >> conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and >> alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize >> intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy >> pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 >> removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. >> ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp >> edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of >> 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 >> copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head >> side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on >> each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets >> that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to >> 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . >> Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in >> trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:51:50 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:51:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> References: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Hello all, I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow! They came out very nice. I hope you enjoy them. If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience. I?ll ship once I receive payment. Thanks, Chuck > On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hi Amici, > > The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >> >> Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? >> >> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >> >> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >>> >>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>> >>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>> >>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Feb 7 19:14:56 2021 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 02:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> References: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Message-ID: <753381521.571809.1612750496708@mail.yahoo.com> Great, Chuck.? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update Hello all, I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow!? They came out very nice.? I hope you enjoy them. If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience.? I?ll ship once I receive payment. Thanks, Chuck > On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hi Amici, > > The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next.? If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so!? I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt.? Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >> >> Thanks to those who have already paid.? If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all!? ? >> >> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight.? Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >> >> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for the great response.? This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it!? >>> >>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping.? They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>> >>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail.? Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40.? If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05.? You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>> >>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities.? Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct.? If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list.? Once all this is finalized we will place the order.? I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment.? Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut.? Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 19:26:45 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:26:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> References: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02E04F7D-3E31-4DB7-A914-142A877337FA@gmail.com> Thanks Chuck! > On Feb 7, 2021, at 21:08, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow! They came out very nice. I hope you enjoy them. > > If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience. I?ll ship once I receive payment. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > >> On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hi Amici, >> >> The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >>> >>> Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? >>> >>> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >>> >>> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >>>> >>>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>>> >>>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>>> >>>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>>> >>>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>>> >>>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Gee >>>>> >>>>> This is the back: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From john at linneyweb.com Sun Feb 7 22:10:18 2021 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:10:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head head scratcher. Message-ID: I?m wondering if anyone has seen anything like this in the attached photo. I found some coolant pooled around the number 4 spark plug on my TR4 head. I took this photo about 10 minutes after cleaning it up. Stone cold engine. It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 509461 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Mon Feb 8 06:52:28 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 08:52:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses Message-ID: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> Listers All: I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists. Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23712 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 06:58:05 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 07:58:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: Dan I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal. I just googled it and Pegasus carries it. I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: > Listers All: > I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond > to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of > materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time today or > tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists. > Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular > product or brand?. > Dan > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23712 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Mon Feb 8 10:54:39 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (adcronin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:54:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: <9122508F-9036-4FF2-A2C1-66B1CB5CF6A3@mi.rr.com> Bob K You are correct in pointing out that the TR2/3supplement of the Workshop Manual does in fact mention Wellseal. My observation was based on the TR4 Manual and must admit to being too lazy to verify against the original third edition of the TR2,3 supplement in my library. In the TR4 first edition manual there is no mention of a specific product other than the mention ?Fit the new Figure ?8? gaskets coated with jointing compound?. On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: Dan I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal. I just googled it and Pegasus carries it. I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot > wrote: Listers All: I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists. Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:13:46 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:13:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: <9122508F-9036-4FF2-A2C1-66B1CB5CF6A3@mi.rr.com> References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> <9122508F-9036-4FF2-A2C1-66B1CB5CF6A3@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: Dan I think I learned of it by perusing one of the Roadster Factory catalogs. Charles must have done the research to find that information in the supplement you refer to and they probably carry it too, on the same page in the catalog with the nuts and the TinTin stuff:) Good job with your sleuthing skills! Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:54 AM adcronin wrote: > Bob K > You are correct in pointing out that the TR2/3supplement of the Workshop > Manual does in fact mention Wellseal. My observation was based on the TR4 > Manual and must admit to being too lazy to verify against the original > third edition of the TR2,3 supplement in my library. In the TR4 first > edition manual there is no mention of a specific product other than the > mention *?Fit the new Figure ?8? gaskets coated with jointing compound?.* > > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > Dan > > I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal. I just > googled it and Pegasus carries it. I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is > relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot > wrote: > >> Listers All: >> I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to >> respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the >> variety of materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time >> today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to >> both lists. Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a >> particular product or brand?. >> Dan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 12:43:33 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:43:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where did the information about a Driven oils not being compatible with Permatex Aviation come from? I contacted Driven and they are not aware of any incompatibility with Aviation Permatex. Joe B. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:49 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Ricco via Fot > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > FOT, > > I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. > > However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. > > My tought here - if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. > > Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. > > Paul Ricco > >> On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >> > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: > >> hylomar. >> >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> >> Frank >> >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users COPPER COAT, PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to go... One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the ?land? in the block. This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the land prior to using the ?hone?. On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney wrote: Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Basic Reasons: 1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways. 2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets. 3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks. Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid. I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it! Jonmac > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 14:19:59 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 21:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <763150331.2746260.1612814231568@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> <763150331.2746260.1612814231568@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks David.? Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.? They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is).? I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents.? The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents.? Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then).?? Thanks for bringing this issue to light.? Joe B. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: Hi Joe, Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. ?You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. ? Never happened before running the oil. ?Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 8 14:27:30 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:27:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe; We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). > > Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. > > > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 8 14:46:10 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <00c701d6fe63$d0c24ba0$7246e2e0$@gmail.com> To specify the silicone: Two options: W?rth red special 250 RTV black 260 or more At least, the engine design is quite rough and not a NASA built. I guess most things would work. I try to keep it simple and what is handy and modern. The good thing with silicone?..it glues the sleeves in place. Very convenient at the track when you need to remove the head. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von adcronin via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 21:45 An: John Macartney Cc: Triumph List ; FOT List Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT THREAD?Thanks again to all who contributed We had around 25 responses of one sort or another, several good suggestions and a couple of ?heads up? regarding ?aggressive? motor oil potential reaction with some sealants. Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users COPPER COAT, PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to go... One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the ?land? in the block. This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the land prior to using the ?hone?. On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney > wrote: Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Basic Reasons: 1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways. 2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets. 3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks. Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid. I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it! Jonmac Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 15:02:35 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant?? ?JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Joe;We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! ?Thanks to Ken Knight for ?the recommendation.We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt....Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: ? Thanks David.? Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.? They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is).? I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents.? The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents.? Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then).?? Thanks for bringing this issue to light.? Joe B. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: Hi Joe, Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. ?You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. ? Never happened before running the oil. ?Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Mon Feb 8 16:00:18 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:00:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part Message-ID: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 8 16:00:54 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:00:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> References: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D4C01EA-0056-43F0-8081-E4E5FF160A50@aol.com> Joe: We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume is full. It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, even with the key, when they get near the end. Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine. Hope this helps. Regards, Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant? JoeB. > >> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Joe; >> We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. >> In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. >> We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>> >> ? >> Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). >> >> Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: >> >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:08:43 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:08:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> References: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <4E8EF9B6-3F57-45C0-AD85-8A6F89BA7963@gmail.com> I have use uship.com twice. Good results. Once for a 17 foot sailboat and once for about 500 books. Recently, in working with the British Sports Car Museum & Hall of Fame, six huge display cases were shipped from Portland, OR to Petersburg, VA. Another choice might be Greyhound bus. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: > > ? > Friends, > > > > I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. > > Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' > > Any suggestions are welcomed! > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:09:16 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> References: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: Larger body shops often throw out some pretty fine packing materials. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Redmond via Fot wrote: > Friends, > > > I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to > Arizona. > > Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' > > Any suggestions are welcomed! > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack On Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:01:36 PM EST, Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! Todd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Feb 8 16:58:46 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:58:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part Message-ID: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Mon Feb 8 17:11:14 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <687CAB8B-E0D8-49E6-AFF5-F1582B9C7EF1@seiri.com> Another reasonable choice is Fastenal. If you have a crate, they have trucks going all over. And they will deliver to the nearest Fastenal for pickup. What?s, of course, you will not escape unscathed. ;) Bob > On Feb 8, 2021, at 19:01, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I endorse the Greyhound approach. They can take relatively large items for reasonable cost if you don?t need a guaranteed delivery time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Feb 8, 2021 6:08 PM > To: Redmond > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shipping a large part > > I have use uship.com twice. Good results. Once for a 17 foot sailboat and once for about 500 books. > > Recently, in working with the British Sports Car Museum & Hall of Fame, six huge display cases were shipped from Portland, OR to Petersburg, VA. > > Another choice might be Greyhound bus. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Friends, >> >> >> >> I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. >> >> Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' >> >> Any suggestions are welcomed! >> >> Todd >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 17:50:19 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <1323556505.3215301.1612826724441@mail.yahoo.com> References: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> <946482762.3217482.1612826684555@mail.yahoo.com> <1323556505.3215301.1612826724441@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <910956973.36475.1612831819012@mail.yahoo.com> Some years ago (5?) I was selling some Toyota Land Cruiser doors on Craigslist.? Someone from North Carolina contacted me when I was still in Connecticut that wanted them.? I was not going to box/crate them, but after the buyer paid me, I dropped them off at a UPS Store and they were going to work directly with the buyer to box/crate and ship them.? I think it was about $250 back then.? JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 06:44:52 PM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Redmond Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:24:44 PM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Shipping a large part I shipped a hard top for an E-Type to Japan by UPS.? I just dropped it off, they built the crate and shipped it off.? Not cheap (but the customer was paying). Jack On Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:01:36 PM EST, Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! 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URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 17:59:01 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 00:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Application of Anaerobic Sealant In-Reply-To: <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB@aol.com> References: <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB.ref@aol.com> <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB@aol.com> Message-ID: <1676017992.38581.1612832341925@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Phil.? The specs say for gaps up to 0.015".? The opening for the felt is much larger than that.? I'd be interested to hear how it sets up.? JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 06:21:55 PM EST, Phil Gott wrote: Here?s a photo of the experimental application of the gel to the rear main cap. The washer on the nozzle seals the trapezoidal opening. The blue gel is regular rtv which never completely set up. The red is the anaerobic gel. You can see the gels oozing out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. No, that not my race engine! 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Thanks for all your feedback and help! -john > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:33 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > If that's a static leak, a pressure test would likely confirm your suspicions. > I checked a cut-up head that I have, there's a good bit of meat around the plug hole but if there's heavy corrosion in the water jacket, that could be the culprit. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Linney via Fot > To: Fot > Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 12:10 am > Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head head scratcher. > > I?m wondering if anyone has seen anything like this in the attached photo. I found some coolant pooled around the number 4 spark plug on my TR4 head. I took this photo about 10 minutes after cleaning it up. Stone cold engine. It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. 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Unlike general-purpose silicone* *sealants, Hylosil 101 contains no solvents and does not give off acetic acid during cure.* I used to use it to fill the gaps in the transmission mount, for better vibration resistance and to hold it together when it inevitably split. Now we have the ARE trans mount. This stuff is most easily acquired from a John Deere Dealership. [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Joe: > We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all > surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the > trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one > of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel > into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the > chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the > trapezoidal volume is full. > > It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a > caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). > > One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, > even with the key, when they get near the end. > > Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if > you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. > You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the > pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the > uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you > prefer) and had it all set up just fine. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, > or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic > sealant? JoeB. > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Joe; > We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex > was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. > In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so > it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had > that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be > really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. > We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much > easier than soaked felt.... > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, > but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest > not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic > solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for > Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected > by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is > affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go > back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). > > Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. > > > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott < > triumphsix at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by > Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon > removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. > Never happened before running the oil. 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One man's opinion and we all know that everyone got one........ > > If I was going to try something I'd be tempted to use the Hylomar 101. It is ivory in color and is a room temperature vulcanising (RTV) silicone compound. They advertise that Hylosil 101 has good resistance to oils and aqueous anti-freeze agents. Unlike general-purpose silicone > sealants, Hylosil 101 contains no solvents and does not give off acetic acid during cure. > > I used to use it to fill the gaps in the transmission mount, for better vibration resistance and to hold it together when it inevitably split. Now we have the ARE trans mount. > > This stuff is most easily acquired from a John Deere Dealership. > > > > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Joe: >> We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume is full. >> >> It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). >> >> One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, even with the key, when they get near the end. >> >> Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant? JoeB. >>> >>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Joe; >>> We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. >>> In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. >>> We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). >>>> >>>> Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Joe, >>>> >>>> Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see the gels oozing out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That told us the trapezoid was full. > No, that not my race engine! It is a spare, cracked block used for testing and a good counterweight for my drill press...... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 787394 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you".? He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me.? There were over 100 bearings.? Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing.? To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going?? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races.? For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less).? I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets.? I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost.? The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear.? About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings?? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned.? The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment.? In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want.? Thanks. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 09:49:08 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 16:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings.? The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design.? I always installed my own cam bearings.? I made my own tool years ago.? When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block.? This kept the ends of the bearing aligned.? As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp.? Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block.? Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block.? When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in.? If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam.? If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over.? I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack,What a great story!??IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings.? The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block.?? I'm just curious. tnx-- jim? W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us.? I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager.? The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time.? I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine.? He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you".? He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me.? There were over 100 bearings.? Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing.? To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going?? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races.? For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less).? I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets.? I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost.? The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear.? About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings?? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned.? The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment.? In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want.? Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com -- jim? W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-)J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Feb 9 12:33:37 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:33:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071122770.91111108.1612899217115.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 10 01:12:52 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:12:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: <1237354710.2182724.1612905224975@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> <1071122770.91111108.1612899217115.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1237354710.2182724.1612905224975@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <616969303.92146436.1612944772919.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Very nice crafted tool! More people may be interested. The dimensions can simply be deduced I think. My tool is similar, except that, instead of the long bar, I've used a threaded rod and I pull the bearings in the engine by spinning a nut on the bar, the nut is hold back by a large washer. This goes smoothly, but for the rearmost bearing, I have to remove the core plug. Marcel Van: "Jack Wheeler" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 22:13:43 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I started with a 1" steel rod about 2' long. Threaded into one end for a 1/2" bolt and made up a thick steel doughnut just slightly under the diameter of the cam bores in the block (about 1" thick). Then I made a second nylon doughnut sized to just slip inside the bearing. These 2 doughnuts have a 1/2" hole in the center, through which the bolt goes, and screws into the end of the 1" shaft (steel doughnut first, then the nylon one). Then I made up a third doughnut, this one also nylon, with one OD to fit into the bore in the front of the block where the front cam bearing goes, and another OD somewhat larger. This third doughnut holds the bar straight while you drive in the bearing. I will take a [picture and attach. If you are interested in the exact dimensions, I can measure it for you. Cheers. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 2:33:39 PM EST, wrote: Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com ] -- jim W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 20:25:33 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! Thanks again for doing this Chuck... They?re ?the bomb?. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 20:54:39 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:54:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1525023981.66192.1613015679804@connect.xfinity.com> Yes! I got mine too. They are finished to a high standard. Thanks Chuck and Steve. Dave H. > On 02/10/2021 7:25 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! > Thanks again for doing this Chuck... > They?re ?the bomb?. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From agb at compsnw.com Wed Feb 10 21:15:41 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:15:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate Message-ID: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pjojhgabigcajona.png Type: image/png Size: 537382 bytes Desc: not available URL: From agb at compsnw.com Thu Feb 11 06:00:22 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 05:00:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Message-ID: <80aa7630-f36f-617a-f95c-9fbb261f6fe0@compsnw.com> Thank you, he has reached out to me. Best, Alec Buchan aka The Blue Caboose. On 2/11/2021 4:54 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Greg Solow should be a good source.? I think he is on the list but > someone may have his email address.? If I remember it right, his were > engineered a little better than some of the more common ones. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:18 PM Alec Buchan via Fot > > wrote: > > Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I > need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, > like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pjojhgabigcajona.png Type: image/png Size: 537382 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emailsignature4.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22639 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Feb 11 06:37:38 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil filter sandwich plate. References: Message-ID: Is the one on the middle left the one you need? I have had thinkauto make one for me. Very accommodating. Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot 2021-02-11 at 8.35.38 AM.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 145880 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 08:58:11 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 07:58:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Message-ID: <1409614004.964.1613059092982@connect.xfinity.com> Contact Greg Solow. Greg changed the passages so that the cooler gets regulated pressure. Unregulated pressure to the cooler can cause failure of the cooler. I've seen this happen to fairly new coolers. The cooler gets changed and then it happens again. Dave H. Greg Solow 831-429-1800 > On 02/10/2021 8:15 PM Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > > > Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TeriAnn From agb at compsnw.com Thu Feb 11 09:54:31 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:54:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: <643007c2-74f6-a7e5-d951-ca85f9af5bab@gmail.com> References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> <643007c2-74f6-a7e5-d951-ca85f9af5bab@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08f16c78-a8a2-80ec-e1ba-88052cb83ebd@compsnw.com> Greg is looking for me to see if he has any left. Thank you all. On 2/11/2021 8:31 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > On 2/11/21 5:54 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> Greg Solow should be a good source.?? I think he is on the list but >> someone may have his email address.?? If I remember it right, his >> were engineered a little better than some of the more common ones. > > I have one of Greg's plates and have been very happy with it. Before > hand I had one I purchased from Moss and it always seemed to leak and > the fit seemed kinda iffy. > > TeriAnn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/agb at compsnw.com > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Van: "Jack Wheeler" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Donderdag 11 februari 2021 21:21:44 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A Hi Marcel. When I sent this email to you I copied the FOT list, thinking others on the list might be interested. For some reason, sometimes when I send things to the FOT list with pictures attached, they bounce back. Not always, but this one did. I have attached the pictures to this email, and would like to share them with the FOT list. Could you please forward this email string, with the pictures to the FOT guys. Thanks. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 4:13:51 PM EST, Jack Wheeler wrote: I started with a 1" steel rod about 2' long. Threaded into one end for a 1/2" bolt and made up a thick steel doughnut just slightly under the diameter of the cam bores in the block (about 1" thick). Then I made a second nylon doughnut sized to just slip inside the bearing. These 2 doughnuts have a 1/2" hole in the center, through which the bolt goes, and screws into the end of the 1" shaft (steel doughnut first, then the nylon one). Then I made up a third doughnut, this one also nylon, with one OD to fit into the bore in the front of the block where the front cam bearing goes, and another OD somewhat larger. This third doughnut holds the bar straight while you drive in the bearing. I will take a [picture and attach. If you are interested in the exact dimensions, I can measure it for you. Cheers. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 2:33:39 PM EST, wrote: Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com ] -- jim W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Cam Bearing Tool.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2951189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 14:35:10 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:35:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A few Decals & Posters Available Message-ID: <1AD96504-A95D-4BEE-B999-BCEA5AE59F46@gmail.com> It?s winter and I am sorting through stuff. Need to get shed of miscellaneous. Small FOT Decal. 2 for $10 Large Decal. 1 for $15.00 Poster 2020. $12.50. Extremely Collectible. 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Feb 14 09:07:21 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:07:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger. RIP. AND the 25th Anniversary of the FOT List References: <304646FB-0C5C-45DB-877F-F45442DCD019.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <304646FB-0C5C-45DB-877F-F45442DCD019@cs.com> FOT: I have had a couple inquiries about doing something for Bill Dentinger. May I suggest: That someone contact VSCDA regarding doing something at GRATTAN this year? At the same time, we could do some kind of 25th Anniversary thing for the FOT, along with issuing a 25th Anniversary T-Shirt. There?s lots of good reasons why we should do this. It will require someone to step forward to take a leadership role. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 09:26:37 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:26:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Decals and Posters. And a little bit about the future. Message-ID: <94A38729-E7DD-436E-95D4-0F6B2E68F51C@gmail.com> The demand has exceeded the supply. I will reluctantly pursue the cost of another run. Please stand by. I will get the costs as soon as I can. If someone else would like to volunteer to do this, please contact me personally. It is really great that we have this level of interest. It certainly is a group we can be proud of. Curt Johnston is working diligently on the next Kastner Cup at Portland. Henry Frye is working hard to revamp the FOT Website. I am working on the British Sports Car Museum and Hall of Fame. The FOT is and will be prominently represented there. Best Regards to everyone. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Feb 14 09:58:44 2021 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> Morning Chuck, Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. R Totten'64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Greg Hilyer via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! Thanks again for doing this Chuck... They?re ?the bomb?. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sun Feb 14 10:48:14 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! > On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: > > ? > Morning Chuck, > > Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. > > > R Totten > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Hilyer via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm > Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! > > Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! > Thanks again for doing this Chuck... > They?re ?the bomb?. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 14 12:01:28 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> Me too! Thanks Chuck!! > On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Morning Chuck, >> >> Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. >> >> >> R Totten >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Hilyer via Fot >> To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com >> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! >> >> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! >> Thanks again for doing this Chuck... >> They?re ?the bomb?. >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Feb 14 15:18:17 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 17:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> References: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> Message-ID: <8B1DB8B6-C98A-4EBB-B006-5F0D423E67EA@aol.com> Mine arrived a few days ago. (If I wear it during the winter, it won?t seem as bright). Looks good- I?ll be glad to ?sport the colors? during race season! Rick McCurdy > On Feb 14, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot wrote: > > ? > Me too! > > Thanks Chuck!! > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> >> Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! >> >>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Morning Chuck, >>> >>> Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. >>> >>> >>> R Totten >>> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Greg Hilyer via Fot >>> To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com >>> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm >>> Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! >>> >>> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! >>> Thanks again for doing this Chuck... >>> They?re ?the bomb?. >>> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >>> Albuquerque NM >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Feb 14 17:57:19 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1974 Solo Nationals in a '62 TR3B References: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231@mail.yahoo.com> Thought you guys might enjoy this video that I finally managed to post on you tube.Enjoy by clicking on the link.https://youtu.be/NADhqTOcKoQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 14 20:43:41 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:43:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yikes!? I think I haven't sent my money yet, better find? the email with the details. Recently opened a post office box again, don't want to these shirts to walk off my porch like the 2020 Kastner Cup shirts did. mjb. From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Feb 14 21:07:36 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 23:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1974 Solo Nationals in a '62 TR3B In-Reply-To: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> Very cool, Phil! Belated (very) congrats! (Nothing like a red Tr3 to make ones day??) R McCurdy > On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:12 PM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thought you guys might enjoy this video that I finally managed to post on you tube. > Enjoy by clicking on the link. > https://youtu.be/NADhqTOcKoQ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 15 02:40:05 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 10:40:05 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels Message-ID: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 04:43:44 2021 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels In-Reply-To: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> References: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Chris, VTO wheels has what I think you are looking for; we?ve had good luck with their 8 spoke design, very robust for racing. They list a 4 spoke LeMans pattern in 15x6. ?Is this the right one?? Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service | | | Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service | | | 1961-1965? | | | 1961-1965 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 | | | Good luck!Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Guys, ? I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. ? Cheers Chris ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 15 05:55:00 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 07:55:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1974 Solo Nationals in a '62 TR3B In-Reply-To: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> References: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Rick; Lots of fond memories of that car! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Rick McCurdy wrote: > > ? > Very cool, Phil! Belated (very) congrats! > (Nothing like a red Tr3 to make ones day??) > > R McCurdy > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:12 PM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Thought you guys might enjoy this video that I finally managed to post on you tube. >> Enjoy by clicking on the link. >> https://youtu.be/NADhqTOcKoQ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 124756 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 15 06:06:51 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:06:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels In-Reply-To: <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> Hi David, thank you for the link. An order failed because of shipping terms. I need to check with them how the get the wheels to Germany. Cheers Chris Von: David Gott Gesendet: Montag, 15. Februar 2021 12:44 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels Hi Chris, VTO wheels has what I think you are looking for; we?ve had good luck with their 8 spoke design, very robust for racing. They list a 4 spoke LeMans pattern in 15x6. Is this the right one? Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service 1961-1965 1961-1965 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 Good luck! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Guys, I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Feb 15 07:11:46 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:11:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries Message-ID: Who's making a good battery these days? I used to always go with the Sears Die-Hards. They lasted me 10 years and could sit in the GT6 all winter and then fire right up in the spring. What's a good one now? Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 07:29:57 2021 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. Ralph On Monday, February 15, 2021, 08:16:08 AM CST, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Who?s making a good battery these days? ? I used to always go with the Sears Die-Hards.? They lasted me 10 years and could sit in the GT6 all winter and then fire right up in the spring. ? What?s a good one now? ? Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 09:18:21 2021 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:18:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A > bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Feb 15 10:04:20 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:04:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> TeriAnn, BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. Paul Ricco > On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > > On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. > I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. > > For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. > > TeriAnn > > -- > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > Because the world beckons and life waits for no one > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Feb 15 10:09:44 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 17:09:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> , <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> Message-ID: I believe Interstate is owned by Yuasa. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: ? TeriAnn, BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. Paul Ricco On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot > wrote: On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write Because the world beckons and life waits for no one _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 11:54:37 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 18:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Building Headers? References: <807596373.1540804.1613415277037.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <807596373.1540804.1613415277037@mail.yahoo.com> Anyone interested in making their own headers?? When I was racing the TR-4, I used headers from a company called York.? I think they were in Pennsylvania, and they worked well.? A few years ago, my thoughts about making headers from scratch changed.? I had a friend build a set of headers for my Factory Five Cobra with a 351 Cleveland bored & stroked to 392.? They were beautiful.? He used stainless steel tubing and maintained the diameter of the tubing through the bends.? I took them up and had them powder coated and they looked as good as any professionally built headers. Anyway, I found a set of header plates (the plates that bolt up to the cylinder head) for a 4 cylinder TR high port cylinder head.? These appear to be very good quality.? The exhaust ports have tubing coming out about 2" from the plates.? The welds are very professional, and look like they would line up well with the ports on a competition head. I'll attach one photo to this email and will send another photo separately (I've had trouble sending more than one photo at a time). If anyone is interested in these plates, let me know.? They are free, just pay the shipping. Thanks, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 2-14-21 - TR-2 - 4A Header Plates1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2905812 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 12:25:45 2021 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:25:45 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> Those "8-spoke" wheels are NOT "Le Mans" wheels! They are usually called "Minilites" as so many Minis had them! The Le Mans Spitfires had wheels like these. https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/triumph-spitfire-l e-mans-wheels.845557/ Jigsaw Racing used to sell them, but they have closed down recently due to Mark Field's health. He still posts on Facebook and has been selling off stock - he might have some left! Or know where to get them. John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Feb 15 12:32:37 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:32:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Building Headers? Message-ID: Hi Jack I?d love to have a go at making a side exit system for my rally car - are you willing to ship to me in the UK . Happy to foot the bill of course! Regards Tony Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2021, at 19:02, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ?Anyone interested in making their own headers? When I was racing the TR-4, I used headers from a company called York. I think they were in Pennsylvania, and they worked well. A few years ago, my thoughts about making headers from scratch changed. I had a friend build a set of headers for my Factory Five Cobra with a 351 Cleveland bored & stroked to 392. They were beautiful. He used stainless steel tubing and maintained the diameter of the tubing through the bends. I took them up and had them powder coated and they looked as good as any professionally built headers. Anyway, I found a set of header plates (the plates that bolt up to the cylinder head) for a 4 cylinder TR high port cylinder head. These appear to be very good quality. The exhaust ports have tubing coming out about 2" from the plates. The welds are very professional, and look like they would line up well with the ports on a competition head. I'll attach one photo to this email and will send another photo separately (I've had trouble sending more than one photo at a time). If anyone is interested in these plates, let me know. They are free, just pay the shipping. Thanks, Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Feb 15 12:33:44 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:33:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] This car ! Message-ID: [cid:F662A34B-395A-46E5-B048-1ECADF6633BA] Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 13:19:28 2021 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 20:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> References: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <699820094.890372.1613420368565@mail.yahoo.com> Hi John,Agreed. ?VTO makes both the 4 spoke lemans and 8 spoke mini lights. ?If you scroll enough you?ll find the Lemans. ?But, I haven?t tried the Lemans, only the mini light knock?offs from VTO, that?s all I was trying to say! Thanks,Dave Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 2:25 PM, John Davies via Fot wrote: Those "8-spoke" wheels are NOT "Le Mans" wheels!? They are usually called "Minilites" as so many Minis had them! The Le Mans Spitfires had wheels like these. https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/triumph-spitfire-l e-mans-wheels.845557/ Jigsaw Racing used to sell them, but they have closed down recently due to Mark Field's health.? He still posts on Facebook and has been selling off stock - he might have some left!? Or know where to get them. John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Feb 15 13:30:41 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:30:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> References: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Minilite is open and selling wheels out of the UK. They have wheels for the TR?s. The guy running the sales department owns TR?s. He understands all sizing, backspace and offsets that our cars run. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:36 PM, John Davies via Fot wrote: > > ?Those "8-spoke" wheels are NOT "Le Mans" wheels! They are usually called > "Minilites" as so many Minis had them! > > The Le Mans Spitfires had wheels like these. > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/triumph-spitfire-l > e-mans-wheels.845557/ > Jigsaw Racing used to sell them, but they have closed down recently due to > Mark Field's health. He still posts on Facebook and has been selling off > stock - he might have some left! Or know where to get them. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From philhyer at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 13:32:24 2021 From: philhyer at gmail.com (Phil Hyer) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:32:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels In-Reply-To: <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> References: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris / FOT, I'm looking for 1 original A R Le Mans wheel 15 x 6 (with 4" backspacing) to complete a set. Let me know if anyone runs across one. Phil Hyer (954) 801-6694 On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 8:08 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi David, > > > > thank you for the link. > > An order failed because of shipping terms. > > I need to check with them how the get the wheels to Germany. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* David Gott > *Gesendet:* Montag, 15. Februar 2021 12:44 > *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > VTO wheels has what I think you are looking for; we?ve had good luck with > their 8 spoke design, very robust for racing. > > > > They list a 4 spoke LeMans pattern in 15x6. Is this the right one? Welcome > to VTO Wheels - Service > > > Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service > > > > > > > > 1961-1965 > > > 1961-1965 > > 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt > PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub > BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 > > > > Good luck! > > Dave Gott > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/philhyer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <1196528813.1771958.1613492183732.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1196528813.1771958.1613492183732@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I picked up some stuff from a guy who lost interest in a project and one of the items is a pair of 40DCOE 2 carbs I'm running the 40DCOE 151's, so these are of no interest to me at this time. It looks like they were probably jetted for a TR3/4 engine at one point, not sure. They have 32 mm chokes and there were some F15 emulsion tubes in the pile They aren't perfect, but they can be made whole fairly easily. Ping me off list if you have any interest - I'd consider even swaps for serviceable 40DCOE 151's. Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 16 12:13:36 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:13:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CFB5321-66FA-408A-86D0-9F48CB0B2CBE@wi.rr.com> Johnson Controls makes Interstate, Die Hard and Costco Kirkland batteries. They are the largest manufacturer of batteries in the USA followed by Exide and East Penn. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2021, at 11:10 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > ? I believe Interstate is owned by Yuasa. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? TeriAnn, >> >> BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. >> >> We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. >> >> Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. >> >> If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. >> >> Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. >> >> It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. >> >> Paul Ricco >> >>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>>> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. >>> I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. >>> >>> For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> -- >>> Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada >>> 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write >>> >>> Because the world beckons and life waits for no one >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve got specs for the GT6 but not the TR6. Does anyone know the comp height for the TR6 pistons, and/or have a spec sheet from one of the above manufacturers that they can share? I?ll be using flat top pistons, stock rods, running about 10:1 compression. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 15:11:56 2021 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 piston compression height In-Reply-To: <083D62DA-CC93-4F67-917E-22E6E0EAD89D@me.com> References: <083D62DA-CC93-4F67-917E-22E6E0EAD89D@me.com> Message-ID: <998065719.1735475.1614204716629@mail.yahoo.com> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 12:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I need to order some pistons - probably Wiseco or Venolia - for my TR6. ?I?ve got specs for the GT6 but not the TR6. 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Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 26 08:34:26 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:34:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com Message-ID: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. Cheers Henry From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 08:39:34 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:39:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Thank you Henry......the FOT is really alive and well. And very well self policed, thankfully. Not bad for a non-organization. Everyone has elevated the importance and image of our Marque. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 26, 2021, at 9:35 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:01:18 2021 From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:01:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Very nice. Thank you. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad > On Feb 26, 2021, at 9:35 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com > > From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:53:06 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Henry - Just checked it out - Nice! Thanks, Terry > On Feb 26, 2021, at 10:35, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Feb 26 11:03:18 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:03:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com Message-ID: <1841747409.3317.1614362601566@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The last picture in the TR3 gallery .... last car is Harkness Here's a better solo picture of me than the one you have. That one has pretty awful resolution. This one not only has better resolution but it also has my FV Teammate behind me. Ah, the beauty of torque. And, here's a pic of Bob Wismer Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Feb 26, 2021 10:34 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com > >The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. >www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would >appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > >Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point >it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot >how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I >set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when >Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > >The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size >screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to >update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link >shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches >on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's >email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > >Cheers > >Henry >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Wismer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 56678 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 9:34 AM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. > www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would > appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point > it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot > how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I > set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when > Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size > screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to > update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link > shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches > on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's > email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ah, the beauty of torque. > > And, here's a pic of Bob Wismer > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: yellow04 via Fot > >Sent: Feb 26, 2021 10:34 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com > > > >The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. > >www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would > >appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > > >Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point > >it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot > >how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I > >set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when > >Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > > >The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size > >screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to > >update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link > >shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches > >on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's > >email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > > >Cheers > > > >Henry > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website...The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. 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Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when > Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size > screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to > update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link > shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches > on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's > email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange5 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 26 16:06:39 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:06:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com Message-ID: If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different categories, so stay tuned! Again, the place to upload your picture is here... ---> www.ccfot.com <--- PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. Cheers From vfracing at aol.com Fri Feb 26 19:35:10 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 02:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1354966609.226120.1614393310287@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! ?Your efforts much appreciated.This looks like a great site!?Have uploaded an unusual TR racing photo.Blurry at speed, but still interesting.Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2021 6:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different categories, so stay tuned! Again, the place to upload your picture is here... ? --->? www.ccfot.com? <--- PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. Cheers _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 22:39:54 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:39:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SoCal E-Ticket racers, Looks like at minimum, some updated images may be of value on the new FOT website, if all are good, I will upload one of my fairly current images of your cars. No go? Let me know! Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 3:07 PM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to > our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO > NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! > > At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car > pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on > track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am > trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light > on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! > Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. > > If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If > not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to > submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to > www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. > > In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different > categories, so stay tuned! > > Again, the place to upload your picture is here... > > ---> www.ccfot.com <--- > > PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the > kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. > > Cheers > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Feb 27 05:05:37 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 07:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a team and event photos page where photos like the one Brad is talking about will go. At this point the E-Ticket and TxTriumph teams have galleries, albeit the vast majority of of the images are old. I think we can do some neat stuff with that page, expect a call for pictures like the one Brad is talking about soon. We have been getting some really, really good submissions. Exciting stuff. Here are a couple of outstanding examples, first one happens to be of our most recent Kastner Cup winner, Mike Munson: https://fot-racing.com/triumph-race-cars/tr5-tr250-tr6/b1963d89-9f4f-452c-b920-f80bd4d466f1/ Or Chris Marx redefining the concept of "4 off": https://fot-racing.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/e0.jpg - The file uploading process seems to be working well, so far I have not had to chase anybody down for "who is this", I appreciate that. Keep those pictures coming, our new website software makes it fast and easy for adding new content. On 2021-02-27 00:39, Brad Eells wrote: > SoCal E-Ticket racers, > > Looks like at minimum, some updated images may be of value on the new > FOT website, if all are good, I will upload one of my fairly current > images of your cars. > > No go? Let me know! From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:52:15 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 18:52:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VARA high desert challenge Message-ID: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> Hello all, Who?s going? I just signed up with the Spitfire. Going to try and run every race this year! Chuck From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Sat Feb 27 22:07:41 2021 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:07:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VARA high desert challenge In-Reply-To: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> References: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: I plan to be there in the silver Spit 1300 that I will rent from Joe Siam of Checkered Flag Racing. Haven't signed up yet but just got back in town and will try to enter tomorrow. On Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 6:52 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > Hello all, > > Who?s going? I just signed up with the Spitfire. Going to try and run > every race this year! > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Feb 28 06:09:36 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 13:09:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Who's that on pole? Message-ID: Just got my invitation to the SCCA Super Tour Cumberland Classic event. The cover photo caught my eye. Is it just me or is that Mr. Sam Halkias taking the green on pole? [Image] Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All great stuff and it's on the event's page: https://fot-racing.com/fot-feature-events/mid-ohio-1992/ From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Feb 28 11:09:01 2021 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:09:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <8a1536064923c10dc5b592e206736dfc@tr4racer.com> References: <8a1536064923c10dc5b592e206736dfc@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: I was there, as a spectator. If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! Good times. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! 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If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! ? Good times. ? Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio ? A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! All great stuff and it's on the event's page: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffot-racing.com%2Ffot-feature-events%2Fmid-ohio-1992%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690200076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2cWY2G56x05pmtgzsDk8ZWob%2Bje3D8GcRg2A21QnWZE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0YscLb9IaK9hBM4CPUXIv1kfMYEgjgP8cK43yuvlQ%2BM%3D&reserved=0 Donate: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Yky1S01gnBeYzlsDgJyK8Cd8EMmGdlCr7fEAmntI6SU%3D&reserved=0 Archive: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=zeALenM0RWp0tIidrJC7h6%2F%2BV9w7%2B55mUu08clGVrXc%3D&reserved=0https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=p5he%2FrT040JJZDPr%2Fa6%2Bd9ilzvKc5ekPiK06fwyI%2FYY%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe/Manage: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ftlizzard%40msn.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Uo4l56jbo%2B3LRdWTmTKbXU2uUjR%2FX1n4DxfQMxqUI%2Bk%3D&reserved=0 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 11:29:42 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:29:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> References: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mid-Ohio was the beginning of something BIG for Triumphs. Tom Householder and some WPTA guys need to get serious credit for this. There were several people that attended that influenced them to join the vintage racing scene. The FOT and the Kastner Cup has built on that event. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 28, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was there as well. That was when I was still racing my TR-4 in SCCA. Charles Runyan had asked me to bring my car over and put it on display at The Roadster Factory tent. I think TRF helped sponsor the event. I towed my car over with my race van and brought my Harley along in the back of the van. Once I dropped the race car off at the TRF tent, I parked my van & trailer and spent the rest of the weekend riding around on my Harley. Great fun. Great memories. > > Jack > > On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 1:10:07 PM EST, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > > I was there, as a spectator. If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. > > As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! > > > > Good times. > > > > Terry Stetler > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: yellow04 via Fot > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio > > > > A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and > folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he > took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of > pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! > > All great stuff and it's on the event's page: > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffot-racing.com%2Ffot-feature-events%2Fmid-ohio-1992%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690200076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2cWY2G56x05pmtgzsDk8ZWob%2Bje3D8GcRg2A21QnWZE%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0YscLb9IaK9hBM4CPUXIv1kfMYEgjgP8cK43yuvlQ%2BM%3D&reserved=0 > > Donate: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Yky1S01gnBeYzlsDgJyK8Cd8EMmGdlCr7fEAmntI6SU%3D&reserved=0 > Archive: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=zeALenM0RWp0tIidrJC7h6%2F%2BV9w7%2B55mUu08clGVrXc%3D&reserved=0 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=p5he%2FrT040JJZDPr%2Fa6%2Bd9ilzvKc5ekPiK06fwyI%2FYY%3D&reserved=0 > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ftlizzard%40msn.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Uo4l56jbo%2B3LRdWTmTKbXU2uUjR%2FX1n4DxfQMxqUI%2Bk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I worked a different corner every day including the Keyhole. On Sunday, I was assigned to Corner 1 so that I would be able to do the street car parade lap from the access road by the station. I roamed the paddock after the racing was finished each day, and it was there that I met Joe Alexander in the shiny and fresh #97. Good times for sure. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Feb 28 14:33:09 2021 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 16:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Single Post Lift? Message-ID: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> FoTs, there was a dialogue a while ago about movable single post lifts. I thought I saved it, but can't find. Can anyone point me to a site or company? Thanks, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 16:38:44 2021 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:38:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Single Post Lift? In-Reply-To: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> References: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> Message-ID: Try Bend Pack (Pak?) They make a nice portable lift. Only rises about 3 feet though. I have one and for certain jobs it's great. Cheers, Bill On 2/28/2021 4:33 PM, Henry Giffin via Fot wrote: > > FoTs, there was a dialogue a while ago about movable single post > lifts. I thought I saved it, but can???t find.??? Can anyone point me to a > site or company???? Thanks, Hank > > Hank Giffin > > 757-375-1491 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 09:05:29 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:05:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lug Nuts In-Reply-To: <393345931.671193.1612132994796@mail.yahoo.com> References: <393345931.671193.1612132994796.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <393345931.671193.1612132994796@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> I do have some old nuts that I?m not using, but I?d hate to part with them. As a patient once said to his cancer doc ?No, I?m not using them, but they sure do dress up a man?. > On Jan 31, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I assume most of you have a bunch of old lug nuts laying around. But, just in case somebody needs a spare or two, I've got a lot of them on their way to the scrap metal man, if not claimed. Joe was kind enough to forward my email about this. I tried to forward the pictures of the remaining 4 items, using the same email address Joe used, but for some reason they didn't go through. So, if anyone saw Joe's email and would like to see pictures of items 4 - 7 in my list, please email me directly and I will send you the pictures you want to see. Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 09:14:51 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 10:14:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lug Nuts In-Reply-To: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> References: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: I knew that was coming. See you in July for the Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I do have some old nuts that I?m not using, but I?d hate to part with them. As a patient once said to his cancer doc ?No, I?m not using them, but they sure do dress up a man?. > >> On Jan 31, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I assume most of you have a bunch of old lug nuts laying around. But, just in case somebody needs a spare or two, I've got a lot of them on their way to the scrap metal man, if not claimed. Joe was kind enough to forward my email about this. I tried to forward the pictures of the remaining 4 items, using the same email address Joe used, but for some reason they didn't go through. So, if anyone saw Joe's email and would like to see pictures of items 4 - 7 in my list, please email me directly and I will send you the pictures you want to see. Thanks. >> >> Jack >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 10:12:05 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 12:12:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] to Duncan Charlton Message-ID: <1612285925.3nrjrtc7sw8s48o8@webmail.lumos.net> Hi Duncan, I was just reading the new issue of the SVBCC newsletter and realized that you have moved to this area. I guess either I missed it or hadn't been paying attention, but anyway, welcome to the Central Virginia area. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 13:13:38 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket Message-ID: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From john at linneyweb.com Tue Feb 2 13:20:25 2021 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:20:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> I got mine from The Roadster Factory and it?s been great, though I suspect they aren?t meant to be reused as they crush to achieve their seal. > On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Feb 2 13:36:34 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) References: <1784116944.1721821.1612298194489.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1784116944.1721821.1612298194489@mail.yahoo.com> Hi those intake/ exhaust gaskets the hp are made for one time use. ?Once torqued up they?re done. ?You can smear a little?motor oil on their?surface prior to assembly.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, February 2, 2021,?R. John Lye via Fot??wrote: Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Feb 2 13:38:23 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <661004509.1196002.1612298303691@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, they are pretty much a one-time gasket due to their sandwich type construction. ?But they do work well under hi temp use. I'd like to find a source as Moss and TRF were out of them last time I checked.... Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: John Linney via Fot To: R. John Lye Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2021 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket I got mine from The Roadster Factory and it?s been great, though I suspect they aren?t meant to be reused as they crush to achieve their seal. > On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. >? > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Tue Feb 2 13:42:05 2021 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:42:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 3255 West 26th Street Erie, PA 16506 Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 Fax:??????? 888-865-5279 Email:??? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 13:51:51 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A205C95-A163-4412-A574-22D834CF12E0@gmail.com> We have REMFLEX in stock and discounted. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > > ?I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > > I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > > http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 3255 West 26th Street > Erie, PA 16506 > > Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 > Fax: 888-865-5279 > Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 14:00:25 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 16:00:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> Thanks for all the good ideas folks. I think that I am going to try the Remflex gaskets.? If they are good enough for Joe Alexander, they should be a good product. Thanks, John ? On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500, "R. John Lye via Fot" wrote: Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net ? From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Feb 2 14:06:10 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:06:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use.? However they are NOT reusable. Regards, Tony Drews On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > > I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > > http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 3255 West 26th Street > Erie, PA 16506 > > Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 > Fax:??????? 888-865-5279 > Email:??? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 14:10:53 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <051BA274-9A8F-482B-B693-74DA03C43BDE@gmail.com> Sean Alexander is using them and has them in stock at a discount. I am trying to be retired. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 2, 2021, at 3:07 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all the good ideas folks. I think that I am going to try the Remflex > gaskets. If they are good enough for Joe Alexander, they should be a good > product. > > Thanks, > John > > > > > > > On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500, "R. John Lye via Fot" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Feb 2 15:54:53 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 16:54:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. - Tony On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > > Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > I use your head gaskets by the way. > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >> >> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >> >> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >> >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 3255 West 26th Street >> Erie, PA 16506 >> >> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 >> Fax: 888-865-5279 >> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >> Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> John >> >> rjl6n at cstone.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Feb 2 16:16:38 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:16:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net>, <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <7D5866DA-33FC-406B-A70C-0B8FAA3C2335@mhc-law.com> I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade. I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size. Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly. It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > - Tony > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. >> >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. >> I use your head gaskets by the way. >> >> Jim G >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. >> >> Regards, Tony Drews >> >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >>> >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >>> >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> 3255 West 26th Street >>> Erie, PA 16506 >>> >>> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 >>> Fax: 888-865-5279 >>> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >>> Fot >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >>> rjl6n at cstone.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 16:24:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <253173756.1410263.1612308246319@mail.yahoo.com> Sort of like cutting the old Factory steel head gaskets to fit the liners, except you can't cut those with a knife.? Did you know they were originally made to be part of a decompression kit for Europe, due to poor fuel quality there.? Someone (probably Kas or Group 44) came up with the idea of using them to increase compression in race engines.. Regards. Jack On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, 6:00:16 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. - Tony On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > > Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > I use your head gaskets by the way. > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >> >> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >> >> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >> >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 3255 West 26th Street >> Erie, PA 16506 >> >> Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 >> Fax:? ? ? ? 888-865-5279 >> Email:? ? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >> Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? >> Thanks in advance. >>? ? >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> John >> >> rjl6n at cstone.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Feb 2 16:50:19 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D References: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> You cant cut my gaskets with a knife. ?SS insert in the sandwich. ?Need a heavy press and cutting die Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, February 2, 2021,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > - Tony > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. >> >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. >> I use your head gaskets by the way. >> >> Jim G >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. >> >> Regards, Tony Drews >> >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >>> >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >>> >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> 3255 West 26th Street >>> Erie, PA 16506 >>> >>> Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 >>> Fax:? ? ? ? 888-865-5279 >>> Email:? ? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >>> Fot >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? >>> Thanks in advance. >>>? >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >>> rjl6n at cstone.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Feb 2 16:54:38 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 17:54:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> I got tired of the stuff commercially available (to be fair hadn?t tried anything from Joe so his might be great too). I decided to go to a supplier of graphite composite gaskets used in the oil and gas market. They cut me several sets in different thicknesses back about 10 years ago. Can you believe I?ve been using the same set since? Been off and reinstalled at least 4 times. Great product. Unfortunately I?ll have to search for the supplier and I?m sure to make a run won?t be cheap. Certainly willing to share if someone wants to start a supply line of these as I?ve proven there a great product. Details to follow if I make it away from my computer long enough to see my shop this weekend. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Tue Feb 2 18:28:23 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> Message-ID: <0A739540-9078-46DE-A935-863763EBAD8C@me.com> i?d be interested in knowing what the material is. Years ago I got several gaskets from PRI for the GT6 - not a reliable supplier and now gone, but I?m still using and re-using the gaskets. He made them for Spitfires too. It is a thick grey material that has more "give", but has a surface finish almost like masonite hardboard. As such, I can slip a blade under it to separate it from the head and re-use it. I just smear a little permatex black around the intakes. I?ve been using the same one for probably six years or more. It?s been removed at least that many times. I?d love to find something as long lasting as that. Scott On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: I got tired of the stuff commercially available (to be fair hadn?t tried anything from Joe so his might be great too). I decided to go to a supplier of graphite composite gaskets used in the oil and gas market. They cut me several sets in different thicknesses back about 10 years ago. Can you believe I?ve been using the same set since? Been off and reinstalled at least 4 times. Great product. Unfortunately I?ll have to search for the supplier and I?m sure to make a run won?t be cheap. Certainly willing to share if someone wants to start a supply line of these as I?ve proven there a great product. Details to follow if I make it away from my computer long enough to see my shop this weekend. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. 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URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 20:37:08 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 19:37:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> Hi Amici, The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. Chuck > On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. > > Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? > > If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. > > Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! > > Chuck > >> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >> >> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >> >> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >> >> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> >>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> >>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Gee >>> >>> This is the back: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> >>> From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 2 21:04:05 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:04:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bolt 3 gaskets on the head, plug the ports well and then use a Dremel with a stone wheel to enlarge the gasket holes to match the ports. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:06 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?You cant cut my gaskets with a knife. SS insert in the sandwich. Need a heavy press and cutting die > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade. I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size. Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly. It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > > > - Tony > > > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > >> > >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > >> I use your head gaskets by the way. > >> > >> Jim G > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > >> > >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > >> > >> Regards, Tony Drews > >> > >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > >>> > >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > >>> > >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA > >>> 3255 West 26th Street > >>> Erie, PA 16506 > >>> > >>> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 > >>> Fax: 888-865-5279 > >>> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > >>> > >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via > >>> Fot > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > >>> To: fot at autox.team.net > >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > >>> Thanks in advance. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thanks, > >>> John > >>> > >>> rjl6n at cstone.net > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tons of history and some good stuff not mentioned in the listing - Overdrive, Southwick rear axle, uncle jack prep?d head and what I assume to be a Tony Drews front hub and spindle kit and more. Sure hope it ends up with a FoT rather than attempts to bring it back to a street car. All the best and Happy Bidding! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Wed Feb 3 14:16:11 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:16:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TVT Newsletter back issue Message-ID: Looking for a copy of TVT Newsletter Number 13 Thanks tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Householder via Fot wrote: > Looking for a copy of TVT Newsletter Number 13 > > Thanks > > tom > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 17:57:27 2021 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 19:57:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Free Valves Message-ID: <739278428.8240.1612486648006@connect.xfinity.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, if any of you can identify the following valves, I'll send them along Priority Mail, free. Failing identification in the next few days, I'll give them to anyone that wants them. The intakes measure 1.692" in diameter, with a .340" stem and are about 4-3/4" long. The exhaust measure 1.42" in diameter, with a .340" stem and are about 4.66" long. Ed Woods -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Fri Feb 5 10:05:03 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 17:05:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mike Sutcliffe Message-ID: Can anyone provide me with Contact info or life status for Mike Sutcliffe UK Rally driver early 60s Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. Kindly, Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 6 05:04:10 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 13:04:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hi Dan, I've experience with the plain copper gaskets of Mordy Dunst, with or without his stainless steel O-rings. In my opinion, there is no need of using O-rings on a wet liner engine because the liners are protruding above the engine block. If the liners are not protruding evenly (0.005-0.0075"), the O-rings will not make things better. I've used the copper gaskets with the stainless steel O-rings in a 4-cyl TR engine with welded liners and also on a 6-cylinder TR engine with evenly spaced cylinders : as the liners are not protruding in these engines, the O-rings are useful and are working very well (together with the copper gaskets). As for the Fo8 gaskets : nothing is wrong with the copper and aluminium gaskets that are available nowadays, there is a small difference in thickness. Of course, leaks can occur because of corrosion or when moving the crankshaft when the liners are not fixed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Vrijdag 5 februari 2021 20:06:18 Onderwerp: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65133 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 6 05:33:08 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:33:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <33C4E199-7C33-48D4-9FB1-ED8268133EE6@aol.com> I agree with Marcel regarding the o-rings and liner protrusion dimensions. I use the steel fo8 gaskets with no sealant. Just be sure everything is super clean. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2021, at 7:10 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Dan, > I've experience with the plain copper gaskets of Mordy Dunst, with or without his stainless steel O-rings. In my opinion, there is no need of using O-rings on a wet liner engine because the liners are protruding above the engine block. > If the liners are not protruding evenly (0.005-0.0075"), the O-rings will not make things better. I've used the copper gaskets with the stainless steel O-rings in a 4-cyl TR engine with welded liners and also on a 6-cylinder TR engine with evenly spaced cylinders : as the liners are not protruding in these engines, the O-rings are useful and are working very well (together with the copper gaskets). As for the Fo8 gaskets : nothing is wrong with the copper and aluminium gaskets that are available nowadays, there is a small difference in thickness. Of course, leaks can occur because of corrosion or when moving the crankshaft when the liners are not fixed. > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" > Verzonden: Vrijdag 5 februari 2021 20:06:18 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65133 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Sat Feb 6 07:00:46 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 08:00:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> For the Fo8, I?ve always used Hylomar blue. Great stuff. I?m sure other non setting materials might work just as well but this has always worked for me so I have not tried anything else. Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar on them for final assembly. https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: > > ?Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Feb 6 13:40:49 2021 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:40:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> I like hylomar too. It needs to be thin so it will easily squish out. Something like the old Permatex will screw up all your efforts to get the correct liner height. ?- Larry On 2/6/2021 8:00 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > For the Fo8, I?ve always used Hylomar blue. Great stuff. I?m sure > other non setting materials might work just as well but this has > always worked for me so I have not tried anything else. > > Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust > the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar > on them for final assembly. > > https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ > > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the >> preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for >> each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / >> observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I >> am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with >> Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the >> front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy >> Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive >> shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel >> valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S >> roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A >> head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior >> imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth >> any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume >> of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 >> copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side >> of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each >> side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has >> allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am >> aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking >> forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get >> this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 6 13:46:23 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:46:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> Message-ID: <005301d6fcc9$217944f0$646bced0$@gmail.com> When using the thick silicone layer?.I put the head on and give moderate torque on to force the liners down and let it sit for an hour or so before I continue. I don?t trust Hylomar at this place. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Larry Young via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 6. Februar 2021 21:41 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets I like hylomar too. It needs to be thin so it will easily squish out. Something like the old Permatex will screw up all your efforts to get the correct liner height. - Larry On 2/6/2021 8:00 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: For the Fo8, I?ve always used Hylomar blue. Great stuff. I?m sure other non setting materials might work just as well but this has always worked for me so I have not tried anything else. Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar on them for final assembly. https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ Greg Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: ? Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 13:52:21 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 20:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Free Stuff References: <2118394496.2617201.1612644741571.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2118394496.2617201.1612644741571@mail.yahoo.com> When Paul Trapp did some very significant dyno work for me years ago, he set up a special cam gear, which we could use to vary cam timing between dyno runs, without having to tear down the front end of the engine.? Basically, he elongated the bolt holes so we could change the cam timing by just loosening the bolts, moving the gear to the desired timing and tightening the bolts.? I no longer have need for this modified cam gear, and would be happy to give it to someone who can use it during their dyno runs.? I did not use this gear in a race engine (just on the dyno). With only this gear, you would still have to remove the timing cover to change the timing.? So, Paul also made me a modified timing cover (currently listed on Ebay) with an access hole over the timing gear bolts and a 6 bolt cover over the access hole.? To do this, he had to weld a ring on the inside of the cover and drill & tap it for the cover bolts to screw into.? A rather complicated, but very professional job. I'm not going to give this modified valve cover away, because of the effort that went into the modification.? However, I don't know of anyone else who has made this kind of a modification.? If you want to do multiple dyno runs and try various cam timing settings in a single day, this combination will help you do it.? If you just want the cam gear, let me know and I will ship it to you.? If you are interested in both the gear and the modified timing cover, let me know, and I will work with you on a package price.? I'd like to see someone get these, who can put them to use again. .Best regards. 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Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65133 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 19:17:01 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 19:17:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Feb 7 01:44:58 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:44:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. Marcel Van: "fot" Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < [ mailto:adcronin at mi.rr.com | adcronin at mi.rr.com ] > wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 07:54:37 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Casket Cement of Figure 8 Gaskets References: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> I've read all the comments.? All I can share is my experience.? When I started racing, a long time TR-3 driver recommended just plain old brown Permatex on both sides of the gasket, and on the block and liners.? I'm old school, and believe, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".? In over 50 years of building race and street engines I have never had a leak in my Figure 8 gaskets.? And, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Feb 7 08:11:50 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco > On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot > wrote: > >> hylomar. >> >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> >> Frank >> >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin > wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Feb 7 08:45:27 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> Message-ID: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. ? I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. ?Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. ?They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - ?if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. ?Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...?Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice.Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone.that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.?leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Feb 7 10:06:44 2021 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 11:06:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Casket Cement of Figure 8 Gaskets In-Reply-To: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack, Do you measure liner height before or after application of Permatex? This discussion (and numerous others) shows that everyone develops their own methods. They find something that works and then sticks with it. Obviously, there are multiple solutions to many of these problems. With regard to getting the landings clean, when building a new motor I used to bead blast the entire block. Can't believe I was once stout enough to heft it into the bead blaster. ?- Larry On 2/7/2021 8:54 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > I've read all the comments. All I can share is my experience.? When I > started racing, a long time TR-3 driver recommended just plain old > brown Permatex on both sides of the gasket, and on the block and > liners.? I'm old school, and believe, "if it ain't broke, don't fix > it".? In over 50 years of building race and street engines I have > never had a leak in my Figure 8 gaskets.? And, that's my story and I'm > stickin' to it. > > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Feb 7 10:06:46 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:06:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface. Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the surface condition. I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles. I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set them in place. I haven't pulled the liners. I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back together. I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent. The sealant is just added insurance. Dave H. > On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. > Marcel > > --------------------------------------------- > Van: "fot" > Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > hylomar. > > > > never sets up solid like silicone. > > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < adcronin at mi.rr.com mailto:adcronin at mi.rr.com > wrote: > > > > > > Folks > > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > > DC > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Feb 7 10:45:07 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:45:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <109952031.84463443.1612719907049.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" , "Dan Cronin" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. 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It won?t tear thin paper gaskets during disassembly. Great stuff. > On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. > The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. > Marcel > > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" , "Dan Cronin" > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 12:18:09 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512296237.3518071.1612725489784@mail.yahoo.com> When I last raced my TR3 in 2012, the engine had been together for a couple years and I had been using Joe Gibbs? XP1 oil for probably 5 years.? Never had any problems with it dissolving the Aviation Permatex on the rear seal enough to cause a leak, but I would find pieces of the sealant on the oil pick-up screens.? The engine is back together and in the car to race this year, assembled again with the Aviation Permatex on the rear seal.? I guess I will need to find another oil.? To save some research time, does anyone have suggestions of oil that does not attack the Aviation Permatex?? ?I have been using Shaffers race oils in my Miata.? I will need to check with them about compatibility.? It would make it easier to have just one flavor of oil in the garage and trailer.? Joe B. On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 10:49:28 AM EST, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. ? I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. ?Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. ?They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - ?if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. ?Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...?Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice.Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone.that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.?leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:02:23 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:02:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <109952031.84463443.1612719907049.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <012F7918-49CD-44BC-91E5-F114F92E8A69@gmail.com> I?ve never really understood the passion for aviation permeatex. It?s unpleasant stuff and makes a mess. I think it?s just handy and comes in a big can so once you buy some it?s hanging around in your shop forever. I have a can that?s probably 30 years old?it will probably be around long after I kick. I never use it. > On Feb 7, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > I used Yamabond #4 & #5 for 15 years on my race bikes, no gaskets at all?..great stuff. > > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney at Law > Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A. > 301 S. York St., > P.O. 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We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the federal Bankruptcy Code. > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:23 PM > To: Marcel Van Mulders > Cc: Frank Fisher ; fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > The Japanese motorcycle manufacturers solved the fundamental gasket-enhancement issue long ago, with two products that perform like Hylomar but IMHO are a bit better. Yamaha called them Yamabond #4 and #5. The product is actually made by Threebond, and about every MC company uses them and private labels the stuff, including Ducati. #4 is a heavier consistency and can be used in gasket-less applications. #5 is thin, flexible and non-hardening and works well for coating gaskets. It won?t tear thin paper gaskets during disassembly. Great stuff. > > > On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: > > Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. > The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. > Marcel > > > > Van: "fot" > > Aan: "Triumph List" >, "fot" >, "Dan Cronin" > > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin > wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Feb 7 14:24:28 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <627262633.2475258.1612733068182@mail.yahoo.com> I made a lapping tool out of a liner as well.Cut the cylinder & base off and welded a bridge piece across it with a big nut in the center to get a speed handle & socket on.Good old copper-coat to seal.Never any concerns at all w/figure-8s, just need good mating surfaces, correct liner height, and proper torque. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be; van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot ; Greg Hilyer Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface.? Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the surface condition.?? I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles.? I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set them in place.? I haven't pulled the liners.? I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back together. I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent.? The sealant is just added insurance. Dave H. ? On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ? ? ? It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. Marcel Van: "fot" Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets ? ? Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...? Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: hylomar. ? never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.? leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. ? the best gasket dressing ever invented. ? Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < adcronin at mi.rr.com> wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 7 16:14:21 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:14:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <9ed275aa-d486-d04e-1daa-03daf4a8f446@tonydrews.com> I suspect the reason so many sealants are successful is that it's not really required.? I personally use Gaskacinch on that surface, used to use it on head gaskets too before I switched to Cometic head gaskets. Regards, Tony Drews On 2/7/2021 11:06 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface. > Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image > of the surface condition. > I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I > put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now > apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 > miles.? I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set > them in place.? I haven't pulled the liners. I thought I'd just > replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh > the valves and seats and put it back together. > I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is > necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent.? The sealant is > just added insurance. > Dave H. >> On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> wrote: >> It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 >> gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products >> won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these >> can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : >> the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. >> Marcel >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Van: *"fot" >> *Cc: *"Triumph List" , "fot" >> >> *Verzonden: *Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets >> Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... >> Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old >> liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve >> lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. >> Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net >> > wrote: >> >> hylomar. >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, >> come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> Frank >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < >> adcronin at mi.rr.com > wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on >> the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have >> worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And >> ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off >> list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit >> from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main >> crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the >> rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA >> conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and >> alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize >> intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy >> pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 >> removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. >> ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp >> edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of >> 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 >> copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head >> side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on >> each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets >> that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to >> 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . >> Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in >> trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:51:50 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:51:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> References: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Hello all, I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow! They came out very nice. I hope you enjoy them. If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience. I?ll ship once I receive payment. Thanks, Chuck > On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hi Amici, > > The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >> >> Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? >> >> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >> >> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >>> >>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>> >>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>> >>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Feb 7 19:14:56 2021 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 02:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> References: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Message-ID: <753381521.571809.1612750496708@mail.yahoo.com> Great, Chuck.? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update Hello all, I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow!? They came out very nice.? I hope you enjoy them. If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience.? I?ll ship once I receive payment. Thanks, Chuck > On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hi Amici, > > The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next.? If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so!? I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt.? Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >> >> Thanks to those who have already paid.? If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all!? ? >> >> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight.? Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >> >> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for the great response.? This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it!? >>> >>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping.? They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>> >>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail.? Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40.? If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05.? You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>> >>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities.? Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct.? If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list.? Once all this is finalized we will place the order.? I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment.? Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut.? Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 19:26:45 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:26:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> References: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02E04F7D-3E31-4DB7-A914-142A877337FA@gmail.com> Thanks Chuck! > On Feb 7, 2021, at 21:08, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow! They came out very nice. I hope you enjoy them. > > If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience. I?ll ship once I receive payment. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > >> On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hi Amici, >> >> The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >>> >>> Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? >>> >>> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >>> >>> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >>>> >>>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>>> >>>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>>> >>>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>>> >>>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>>> >>>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Gee >>>>> >>>>> This is the back: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From john at linneyweb.com Sun Feb 7 22:10:18 2021 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:10:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head head scratcher. Message-ID: I?m wondering if anyone has seen anything like this in the attached photo. I found some coolant pooled around the number 4 spark plug on my TR4 head. I took this photo about 10 minutes after cleaning it up. Stone cold engine. It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 509461 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Mon Feb 8 06:52:28 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 08:52:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses Message-ID: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> Listers All: I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of materials used was impressive. 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I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: > Listers All: > I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond > to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of > materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time today or > tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists. > Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular > product or brand?. > Dan > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: Dan I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal. I just googled it and Pegasus carries it. I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot > wrote: Listers All: I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists. Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:13:46 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:13:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: <9122508F-9036-4FF2-A2C1-66B1CB5CF6A3@mi.rr.com> References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> <9122508F-9036-4FF2-A2C1-66B1CB5CF6A3@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: Dan I think I learned of it by perusing one of the Roadster Factory catalogs. Charles must have done the research to find that information in the supplement you refer to and they probably carry it too, on the same page in the catalog with the nuts and the TinTin stuff:) Good job with your sleuthing skills! Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:54 AM adcronin wrote: > Bob K > You are correct in pointing out that the TR2/3supplement of the Workshop > Manual does in fact mention Wellseal. My observation was based on the TR4 > Manual and must admit to being too lazy to verify against the original > third edition of the TR2,3 supplement in my library. In the TR4 first > edition manual there is no mention of a specific product other than the > mention *?Fit the new Figure ?8? gaskets coated with jointing compound?.* > > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > Dan > > I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal. I just > googled it and Pegasus carries it. I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is > relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot > wrote: > >> Listers All: >> I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to >> respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the >> variety of materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time >> today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to >> both lists. Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a >> particular product or brand?. >> Dan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 12:43:33 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:43:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where did the information about a Driven oils not being compatible with Permatex Aviation come from? I contacted Driven and they are not aware of any incompatibility with Aviation Permatex. Joe B. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:49 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Ricco via Fot > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > FOT, > > I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. > > However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. > > My tought here - if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. > > Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. > > Paul Ricco > >> On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >> > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: > >> hylomar. >> >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> >> Frank >> >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Mon Feb 8 13:45:01 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (adcronin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:45:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk> References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT THREAD?Thanks again to all who contributed We had around 25 responses of one sort or another, several good suggestions and a couple of ?heads up? regarding ?aggressive? motor oil potential reaction with some sealants. Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users COPPER COAT, PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to go... One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the ?land? in the block. This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the land prior to using the ?hone?. On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney wrote: Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Basic Reasons: 1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways. 2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets. 3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks. Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid. I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it! Jonmac > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 14:19:59 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 21:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <763150331.2746260.1612814231568@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> <763150331.2746260.1612814231568@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks David.? Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.? They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is).? I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents.? The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents.? Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then).?? Thanks for bringing this issue to light.? Joe B. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: Hi Joe, Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. ?You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. ? Never happened before running the oil. ?Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 8 14:27:30 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:27:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe; We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). > > Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. > > > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 8 14:46:10 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <00c701d6fe63$d0c24ba0$7246e2e0$@gmail.com> To specify the silicone: Two options: W?rth red special 250 RTV black 260 or more At least, the engine design is quite rough and not a NASA built. I guess most things would work. I try to keep it simple and what is handy and modern. The good thing with silicone?..it glues the sleeves in place. Very convenient at the track when you need to remove the head. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von adcronin via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 21:45 An: John Macartney Cc: Triumph List ; FOT List Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT THREAD?Thanks again to all who contributed We had around 25 responses of one sort or another, several good suggestions and a couple of ?heads up? regarding ?aggressive? motor oil potential reaction with some sealants. Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users COPPER COAT, PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to go... One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the ?land? in the block. This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the land prior to using the ?hone?. On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney > wrote: Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Basic Reasons: 1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways. 2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets. 3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks. Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid. I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it! Jonmac Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 15:02:35 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant?? ?JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Joe;We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! ?Thanks to Ken Knight for ?the recommendation.We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt....Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: ? Thanks David.? Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.? They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is).? I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents.? The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents.? Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then).?? Thanks for bringing this issue to light.? Joe B. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: Hi Joe, Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. ?You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. ? Never happened before running the oil. ?Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Mon Feb 8 16:00:18 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:00:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part Message-ID: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 8 16:00:54 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:00:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> References: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D4C01EA-0056-43F0-8081-E4E5FF160A50@aol.com> Joe: We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume is full. It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, even with the key, when they get near the end. Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine. Hope this helps. Regards, Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant? JoeB. > >> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Joe; >> We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. >> In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. >> We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>> >> ? >> Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). >> >> Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: >> >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:08:43 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:08:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> References: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: <4E8EF9B6-3F57-45C0-AD85-8A6F89BA7963@gmail.com> I have use uship.com twice. Good results. Once for a 17 foot sailboat and once for about 500 books. Recently, in working with the British Sports Car Museum & Hall of Fame, six huge display cases were shipped from Portland, OR to Petersburg, VA. Another choice might be Greyhound bus. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: > > ? > Friends, > > > > I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. > > Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' > > Any suggestions are welcomed! > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:09:16 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> References: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: Larger body shops often throw out some pretty fine packing materials. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Redmond via Fot wrote: > Friends, > > > I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to > Arizona. > > Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' > > Any suggestions are welcomed! > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 8 16:21:32 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:21:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Application of Anaerobic Sealant References: <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB@aol.com> Here?s a photo of the experimental application of the gel to the rear main cap. The washer on the nozzle seals the trapezoidal opening. The blue gel is regular rtv which never completely set up. The red is the anaerobic gel. You can see the gels oozing out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. No, that not my race engine! It is a spare, cracked block used for testing and a good counterweight for my drill press...... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack On Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:01:36 PM EST, Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! Todd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Feb 8 16:58:46 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:58:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part Message-ID: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Mon Feb 8 17:11:14 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <687CAB8B-E0D8-49E6-AFF5-F1582B9C7EF1@seiri.com> Another reasonable choice is Fastenal. If you have a crate, they have trucks going all over. And they will deliver to the nearest Fastenal for pickup. What?s, of course, you will not escape unscathed. ;) Bob > On Feb 8, 2021, at 19:01, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I endorse the Greyhound approach. They can take relatively large items for reasonable cost if you don?t need a guaranteed delivery time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Feb 8, 2021 6:08 PM > To: Redmond > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shipping a large part > > I have use uship.com twice. Good results. Once for a 17 foot sailboat and once for about 500 books. > > Recently, in working with the British Sports Car Museum & Hall of Fame, six huge display cases were shipped from Portland, OR to Petersburg, VA. > > Another choice might be Greyhound bus. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Friends, >> >> >> >> I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. >> >> Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' >> >> Any suggestions are welcomed! >> >> Todd >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 17:50:19 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <1323556505.3215301.1612826724441@mail.yahoo.com> References: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> <946482762.3217482.1612826684555@mail.yahoo.com> <1323556505.3215301.1612826724441@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <910956973.36475.1612831819012@mail.yahoo.com> Some years ago (5?) I was selling some Toyota Land Cruiser doors on Craigslist.? Someone from North Carolina contacted me when I was still in Connecticut that wanted them.? I was not going to box/crate them, but after the buyer paid me, I dropped them off at a UPS Store and they were going to work directly with the buyer to box/crate and ship them.? I think it was about $250 back then.? JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 06:44:52 PM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Redmond Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:24:44 PM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Shipping a large part I shipped a hard top for an E-Type to Japan by UPS.? I just dropped it off, they built the crate and shipped it off.? Not cheap (but the customer was paying). Jack On Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:01:36 PM EST, Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! 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URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 17:59:01 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 00:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Application of Anaerobic Sealant In-Reply-To: <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB@aol.com> References: <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB.ref@aol.com> <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB@aol.com> Message-ID: <1676017992.38581.1612832341925@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Phil.? The specs say for gaps up to 0.015".? The opening for the felt is much larger than that.? I'd be interested to hear how it sets up.? JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 06:21:55 PM EST, Phil Gott wrote: Here?s a photo of the experimental application of the gel to the rear main cap. The washer on the nozzle seals the trapezoidal opening. The blue gel is regular rtv which never completely set up. The red is the anaerobic gel. You can see the gels oozing out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. No, that not my race engine! 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Thanks for all your feedback and help! -john > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:33 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > If that's a static leak, a pressure test would likely confirm your suspicions. > I checked a cut-up head that I have, there's a good bit of meat around the plug hole but if there's heavy corrosion in the water jacket, that could be the culprit. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Linney via Fot > To: Fot > Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 12:10 am > Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head head scratcher. > > I?m wondering if anyone has seen anything like this in the attached photo. I found some coolant pooled around the number 4 spark plug on my TR4 head. I took this photo about 10 minutes after cleaning it up. Stone cold engine. It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 06:14:05 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:14:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <4D4C01EA-0056-43F0-8081-E4E5FF160A50@aol.com> References: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> <4D4C01EA-0056-43F0-8081-E4E5FF160A50@aol.com> Message-ID: Phil That anaerobic gasket maker may work but I think it is risky. I doubt it will ever dry out, with the outer layer setting up and sealing the inner layers. Maybe engine heat wil help. One man's opinion and we all know that everyone got one........ If I was going to try something I'd be tempted to use the Hylomar 101. It is ivory in color and is a room temperature vulcanising (RTV) silicone compound. They advertise that *Hylosil 101 has good resistance to oils and aqueous anti-freeze agents. Unlike general-purpose silicone* *sealants, Hylosil 101 contains no solvents and does not give off acetic acid during cure.* I used to use it to fill the gaps in the transmission mount, for better vibration resistance and to hold it together when it inevitably split. Now we have the ARE trans mount. This stuff is most easily acquired from a John Deere Dealership. [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Joe: > We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all > surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the > trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one > of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel > into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the > chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the > trapezoidal volume is full. > > It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a > caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). > > One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, > even with the key, when they get near the end. > > Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if > you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. > You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the > pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the > uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you > prefer) and had it all set up just fine. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, > or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic > sealant? JoeB. > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Joe; > We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex > was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. > In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so > it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had > that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be > really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. > We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much > easier than soaked felt.... > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, > but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest > not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic > solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for > Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected > by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is > affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go > back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). > > Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. > > > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott < > triumphsix at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by > Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon > removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. > Never happened before running the oil. 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One man's opinion and we all know that everyone got one........ > > If I was going to try something I'd be tempted to use the Hylomar 101. It is ivory in color and is a room temperature vulcanising (RTV) silicone compound. They advertise that Hylosil 101 has good resistance to oils and aqueous anti-freeze agents. Unlike general-purpose silicone > sealants, Hylosil 101 contains no solvents and does not give off acetic acid during cure. > > I used to use it to fill the gaps in the transmission mount, for better vibration resistance and to hold it together when it inevitably split. Now we have the ARE trans mount. > > This stuff is most easily acquired from a John Deere Dealership. > > > > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Joe: >> We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume is full. >> >> It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). >> >> One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, even with the key, when they get near the end. >> >> Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant? JoeB. >>> >>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Joe; >>> We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. >>> In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. >>> We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). >>>> >>>> Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Joe, >>>> >>>> Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 796786 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 08:18:21 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 15:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us.? I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager.? The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time.? I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine.? He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you".? He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me.? There were over 100 bearings.? Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing.? To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going?? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races.? For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less).? I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets.? I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost.? The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear.? About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings?? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned.? The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment.? In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want.? Thanks. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 09:49:08 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 16:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings.? The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design.? I always installed my own cam bearings.? I made my own tool years ago.? When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block.? This kept the ends of the bearing aligned.? As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp.? Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block.? Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block.? When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in.? If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam.? If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over.? I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack,What a great story!??IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings.? The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block.?? I'm just curious. tnx-- jim? W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us.? I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager.? The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time.? I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine.? He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you".? He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me.? There were over 100 bearings.? Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing.? To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going?? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races.? For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less).? I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets.? I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost.? The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear.? About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings?? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned.? The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment.? In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want.? Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com -- jim? W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-)J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Feb 9 12:33:37 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:33:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071122770.91111108.1612899217115.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com ] -- jim W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 10 01:12:52 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:12:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: <1237354710.2182724.1612905224975@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> <1071122770.91111108.1612899217115.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1237354710.2182724.1612905224975@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <616969303.92146436.1612944772919.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Very nice crafted tool! More people may be interested. The dimensions can simply be deduced I think. My tool is similar, except that, instead of the long bar, I've used a threaded rod and I pull the bearings in the engine by spinning a nut on the bar, the nut is hold back by a large washer. This goes smoothly, but for the rearmost bearing, I have to remove the core plug. Marcel Van: "Jack Wheeler" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 22:13:43 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I started with a 1" steel rod about 2' long. Threaded into one end for a 1/2" bolt and made up a thick steel doughnut just slightly under the diameter of the cam bores in the block (about 1" thick). Then I made a second nylon doughnut sized to just slip inside the bearing. These 2 doughnuts have a 1/2" hole in the center, through which the bolt goes, and screws into the end of the 1" shaft (steel doughnut first, then the nylon one). Then I made up a third doughnut, this one also nylon, with one OD to fit into the bore in the front of the block where the front cam bearing goes, and another OD somewhat larger. This third doughnut holds the bar straight while you drive in the bearing. I will take a [picture and attach. If you are interested in the exact dimensions, I can measure it for you. Cheers. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 2:33:39 PM EST, wrote: Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com ] -- jim W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 20:25:33 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! Thanks again for doing this Chuck... They?re ?the bomb?. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 20:54:39 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:54:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1525023981.66192.1613015679804@connect.xfinity.com> Yes! I got mine too. They are finished to a high standard. Thanks Chuck and Steve. Dave H. > On 02/10/2021 7:25 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! > Thanks again for doing this Chuck... > They?re ?the bomb?. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From agb at compsnw.com Wed Feb 10 21:15:41 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:15:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate Message-ID: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pjojhgabigcajona.png Type: image/png Size: 537382 bytes Desc: not available URL: From agb at compsnw.com Thu Feb 11 06:00:22 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 05:00:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Message-ID: <80aa7630-f36f-617a-f95c-9fbb261f6fe0@compsnw.com> Thank you, he has reached out to me. Best, Alec Buchan aka The Blue Caboose. On 2/11/2021 4:54 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Greg Solow should be a good source.? I think he is on the list but > someone may have his email address.? If I remember it right, his were > engineered a little better than some of the more common ones. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:18 PM Alec Buchan via Fot > > wrote: > > Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I > need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, > like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pjojhgabigcajona.png Type: image/png Size: 537382 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emailsignature4.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22639 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Feb 11 06:37:38 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil filter sandwich plate. References: Message-ID: Is the one on the middle left the one you need? I have had thinkauto make one for me. Very accommodating. Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot 2021-02-11 at 8.35.38 AM.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 145880 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 08:58:11 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 07:58:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Message-ID: <1409614004.964.1613059092982@connect.xfinity.com> Contact Greg Solow. Greg changed the passages so that the cooler gets regulated pressure. Unregulated pressure to the cooler can cause failure of the cooler. I've seen this happen to fairly new coolers. The cooler gets changed and then it happens again. Dave H. Greg Solow 831-429-1800 > On 02/10/2021 8:15 PM Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > > > Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TeriAnn From agb at compsnw.com Thu Feb 11 09:54:31 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:54:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: <643007c2-74f6-a7e5-d951-ca85f9af5bab@gmail.com> References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> <643007c2-74f6-a7e5-d951-ca85f9af5bab@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08f16c78-a8a2-80ec-e1ba-88052cb83ebd@compsnw.com> Greg is looking for me to see if he has any left. Thank you all. On 2/11/2021 8:31 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > On 2/11/21 5:54 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> Greg Solow should be a good source.?? I think he is on the list but >> someone may have his email address.?? If I remember it right, his >> were engineered a little better than some of the more common ones. > > I have one of Greg's plates and have been very happy with it. 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Marcel Van: "Jack Wheeler" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Donderdag 11 februari 2021 21:21:44 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A Hi Marcel. When I sent this email to you I copied the FOT list, thinking others on the list might be interested. For some reason, sometimes when I send things to the FOT list with pictures attached, they bounce back. Not always, but this one did. I have attached the pictures to this email, and would like to share them with the FOT list. Could you please forward this email string, with the pictures to the FOT guys. Thanks. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 4:13:51 PM EST, Jack Wheeler wrote: I started with a 1" steel rod about 2' long. Threaded into one end for a 1/2" bolt and made up a thick steel doughnut just slightly under the diameter of the cam bores in the block (about 1" thick). Then I made a second nylon doughnut sized to just slip inside the bearing. These 2 doughnuts have a 1/2" hole in the center, through which the bolt goes, and screws into the end of the 1" shaft (steel doughnut first, then the nylon one). Then I made up a third doughnut, this one also nylon, with one OD to fit into the bore in the front of the block where the front cam bearing goes, and another OD somewhat larger. This third doughnut holds the bar straight while you drive in the bearing. I will take a [picture and attach. If you are interested in the exact dimensions, I can measure it for you. Cheers. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 2:33:39 PM EST, wrote: Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com ] -- jim W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Cam Bearing Tool.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2951189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 14:35:10 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:35:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A few Decals & Posters Available Message-ID: <1AD96504-A95D-4BEE-B999-BCEA5AE59F46@gmail.com> It?s winter and I am sorting through stuff. Need to get shed of miscellaneous. Small FOT Decal. 2 for $10 Large Decal. 1 for $15.00 Poster 2020. $12.50. Extremely Collectible. 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Feb 14 09:07:21 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:07:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger. RIP. AND the 25th Anniversary of the FOT List References: <304646FB-0C5C-45DB-877F-F45442DCD019.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <304646FB-0C5C-45DB-877F-F45442DCD019@cs.com> FOT: I have had a couple inquiries about doing something for Bill Dentinger. May I suggest: That someone contact VSCDA regarding doing something at GRATTAN this year? At the same time, we could do some kind of 25th Anniversary thing for the FOT, along with issuing a 25th Anniversary T-Shirt. There?s lots of good reasons why we should do this. It will require someone to step forward to take a leadership role. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 09:26:37 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:26:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Decals and Posters. And a little bit about the future. Message-ID: <94A38729-E7DD-436E-95D4-0F6B2E68F51C@gmail.com> The demand has exceeded the supply. I will reluctantly pursue the cost of another run. Please stand by. I will get the costs as soon as I can. If someone else would like to volunteer to do this, please contact me personally. It is really great that we have this level of interest. It certainly is a group we can be proud of. Curt Johnston is working diligently on the next Kastner Cup at Portland. Henry Frye is working hard to revamp the FOT Website. I am working on the British Sports Car Museum and Hall of Fame. The FOT is and will be prominently represented there. Best Regards to everyone. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Feb 14 09:58:44 2021 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> Morning Chuck, Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. R Totten'64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Greg Hilyer via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! Thanks again for doing this Chuck... They?re ?the bomb?. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sun Feb 14 10:48:14 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! > On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: > > ? > Morning Chuck, > > Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. > > > R Totten > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Hilyer via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm > Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! > > Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! > Thanks again for doing this Chuck... > They?re ?the bomb?. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 14 12:01:28 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> Me too! Thanks Chuck!! > On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Morning Chuck, >> >> Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. >> >> >> R Totten >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Hilyer via Fot >> To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com >> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! >> >> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! >> Thanks again for doing this Chuck... >> They?re ?the bomb?. >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Feb 14 15:18:17 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 17:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> References: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> Message-ID: <8B1DB8B6-C98A-4EBB-B006-5F0D423E67EA@aol.com> Mine arrived a few days ago. (If I wear it during the winter, it won?t seem as bright). Looks good- I?ll be glad to ?sport the colors? during race season! Rick McCurdy > On Feb 14, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot wrote: > > ? > Me too! > > Thanks Chuck!! > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> >> Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! >> >>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Morning Chuck, >>> >>> Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. >>> >>> >>> R Totten >>> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Greg Hilyer via Fot >>> To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com >>> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm >>> Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! >>> >>> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! >>> Thanks again for doing this Chuck... >>> They?re ?the bomb?. >>> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >>> Albuquerque NM >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Recently opened a post office box again, don't want to these shirts to walk off my porch like the 2020 Kastner Cup shirts did. mjb. From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Feb 14 21:07:36 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 23:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1974 Solo Nationals in a '62 TR3B In-Reply-To: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> Very cool, Phil! Belated (very) congrats! (Nothing like a red Tr3 to make ones day??) R McCurdy > On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:12 PM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thought you guys might enjoy this video that I finally managed to post on you tube. > Enjoy by clicking on the link. > https://youtu.be/NADhqTOcKoQ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 15 02:40:05 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 10:40:05 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels Message-ID: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. 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Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service | | | Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service | | | 1961-1965? | | | 1961-1965 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 | | | Good luck!Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Guys, ? I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. ? Cheers Chris ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 15 05:55:00 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 07:55:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1974 Solo Nationals in a '62 TR3B In-Reply-To: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> References: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Rick; Lots of fond memories of that car! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Rick McCurdy wrote: > > ? > Very cool, Phil! Belated (very) congrats! > (Nothing like a red Tr3 to make ones day??) > > R McCurdy > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:12 PM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Thought you guys might enjoy this video that I finally managed to post on you tube. >> Enjoy by clicking on the link. >> https://youtu.be/NADhqTOcKoQ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 124756 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 15 06:06:51 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:06:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels In-Reply-To: <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> Hi David, thank you for the link. An order failed because of shipping terms. I need to check with them how the get the wheels to Germany. Cheers Chris Von: David Gott Gesendet: Montag, 15. Februar 2021 12:44 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels Hi Chris, VTO wheels has what I think you are looking for; we?ve had good luck with their 8 spoke design, very robust for racing. They list a 4 spoke LeMans pattern in 15x6. Is this the right one? Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service 1961-1965 1961-1965 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 Good luck! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Guys, I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Feb 15 07:11:46 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:11:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries Message-ID: Who's making a good battery these days? I used to always go with the Sears Die-Hards. They lasted me 10 years and could sit in the GT6 all winter and then fire right up in the spring. What's a good one now? Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 07:29:57 2021 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. Ralph On Monday, February 15, 2021, 08:16:08 AM CST, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Who?s making a good battery these days? ? I used to always go with the Sears Die-Hards.? They lasted me 10 years and could sit in the GT6 all winter and then fire right up in the spring. ? What?s a good one now? ? Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 09:18:21 2021 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:18:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A > bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Feb 15 10:04:20 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:04:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> TeriAnn, BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. Paul Ricco > On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > > On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. > I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. > > For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. > > TeriAnn > > -- > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > Because the world beckons and life waits for no one > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Feb 15 10:09:44 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 17:09:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> , <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> Message-ID: I believe Interstate is owned by Yuasa. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: ? TeriAnn, BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. Paul Ricco On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot > wrote: On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 11:54:37 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 18:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Building Headers? References: <807596373.1540804.1613415277037.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <807596373.1540804.1613415277037@mail.yahoo.com> Anyone interested in making their own headers?? When I was racing the TR-4, I used headers from a company called York.? I think they were in Pennsylvania, and they worked well.? A few years ago, my thoughts about making headers from scratch changed.? I had a friend build a set of headers for my Factory Five Cobra with a 351 Cleveland bored & stroked to 392.? They were beautiful.? He used stainless steel tubing and maintained the diameter of the tubing through the bends.? I took them up and had them powder coated and they looked as good as any professionally built headers. Anyway, I found a set of header plates (the plates that bolt up to the cylinder head) for a 4 cylinder TR high port cylinder head.? These appear to be very good quality.? The exhaust ports have tubing coming out about 2" from the plates.? The welds are very professional, and look like they would line up well with the ports on a competition head. I'll attach one photo to this email and will send another photo separately (I've had trouble sending more than one photo at a time). If anyone is interested in these plates, let me know.? They are free, just pay the shipping. Thanks, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 2-14-21 - TR-2 - 4A Header Plates1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2905812 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john.r.davies at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 12:25:45 2021 From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:25:45 -0000 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> Those "8-spoke" wheels are NOT "Le Mans" wheels! They are usually called "Minilites" as so many Minis had them! The Le Mans Spitfires had wheels like these. https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/triumph-spitfire-l e-mans-wheels.845557/ Jigsaw Racing used to sell them, but they have closed down recently due to Mark Field's health. He still posts on Facebook and has been selling off stock - he might have some left! Or know where to get them. John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Feb 15 12:32:37 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:32:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Building Headers? Message-ID: Hi Jack I?d love to have a go at making a side exit system for my rally car - are you willing to ship to me in the UK . Happy to foot the bill of course! Regards Tony Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2021, at 19:02, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ?Anyone interested in making their own headers? When I was racing the TR-4, I used headers from a company called York. I think they were in Pennsylvania, and they worked well. A few years ago, my thoughts about making headers from scratch changed. I had a friend build a set of headers for my Factory Five Cobra with a 351 Cleveland bored & stroked to 392. They were beautiful. He used stainless steel tubing and maintained the diameter of the tubing through the bends. I took them up and had them powder coated and they looked as good as any professionally built headers. Anyway, I found a set of header plates (the plates that bolt up to the cylinder head) for a 4 cylinder TR high port cylinder head. These appear to be very good quality. The exhaust ports have tubing coming out about 2" from the plates. The welds are very professional, and look like they would line up well with the ports on a competition head. I'll attach one photo to this email and will send another photo separately (I've had trouble sending more than one photo at a time). If anyone is interested in these plates, let me know. They are free, just pay the shipping. Thanks, Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Feb 15 12:33:44 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:33:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] This car ! Message-ID: [cid:F662A34B-395A-46E5-B048-1ECADF6633BA] Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 13:19:28 2021 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 20:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> References: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <699820094.890372.1613420368565@mail.yahoo.com> Hi John,Agreed. ?VTO makes both the 4 spoke lemans and 8 spoke mini lights. ?If you scroll enough you?ll find the Lemans. ?But, I haven?t tried the Lemans, only the mini light knock?offs from VTO, that?s all I was trying to say! Thanks,Dave Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 2:25 PM, John Davies via Fot wrote: Those "8-spoke" wheels are NOT "Le Mans" wheels!? They are usually called "Minilites" as so many Minis had them! The Le Mans Spitfires had wheels like these. https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/triumph-spitfire-l e-mans-wheels.845557/ Jigsaw Racing used to sell them, but they have closed down recently due to Mark Field's health.? He still posts on Facebook and has been selling off stock - he might have some left!? Or know where to get them. John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Feb 15 13:30:41 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:30:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> References: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Minilite is open and selling wheels out of the UK. They have wheels for the TR?s. The guy running the sales department owns TR?s. He understands all sizing, backspace and offsets that our cars run. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:36 PM, John Davies via Fot wrote: > > ?Those "8-spoke" wheels are NOT "Le Mans" wheels! They are usually called > "Minilites" as so many Minis had them! > > The Le Mans Spitfires had wheels like these. > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/triumph-spitfire-l > e-mans-wheels.845557/ > Jigsaw Racing used to sell them, but they have closed down recently due to > Mark Field's health. He still posts on Facebook and has been selling off > stock - he might have some left! Or know where to get them. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From philhyer at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 13:32:24 2021 From: philhyer at gmail.com (Phil Hyer) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:32:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels In-Reply-To: <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> References: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris / FOT, I'm looking for 1 original A R Le Mans wheel 15 x 6 (with 4" backspacing) to complete a set. Let me know if anyone runs across one. Phil Hyer (954) 801-6694 On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 8:08 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi David, > > > > thank you for the link. > > An order failed because of shipping terms. > > I need to check with them how the get the wheels to Germany. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* David Gott > *Gesendet:* Montag, 15. Februar 2021 12:44 > *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > VTO wheels has what I think you are looking for; we?ve had good luck with > their 8 spoke design, very robust for racing. > > > > They list a 4 spoke LeMans pattern in 15x6. Is this the right one? Welcome > to VTO Wheels - Service > > > Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service > > > > > > > > 1961-1965 > > > 1961-1965 > > 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt > PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub > BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 > > > > Good luck! > > Dave Gott > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/philhyer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kknight at klaenv.com Mon Feb 15 14:11:14 2021 From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:11:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] McMaster-Carr Catalog Message-ID: <001401d703df$189d47b0$49d7d710$@klaenv.com> McMaster Carr just sent me a new catalog. If someone wants my old one, #122, they can have it for the cost of flat rate shipping. You can pay me by PayPal. Hate to pitch it in the recycle bin if someone can use it. First email gets it. Ken -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 09:16:23 2021 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Interested in... References: <1196528813.1771958.1613492183732.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1196528813.1771958.1613492183732@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I picked up some stuff from a guy who lost interest in a project and one of the items is a pair of 40DCOE 2 carbs I'm running the 40DCOE 151's, so these are of no interest to me at this time. It looks like they were probably jetted for a TR3/4 engine at one point, not sure. They have 32 mm chokes and there were some F15 emulsion tubes in the pile They aren't perfect, but they can be made whole fairly easily. Ping me off list if you have any interest - I'd consider even swaps for serviceable 40DCOE 151's. Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 16 12:13:36 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:13:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CFB5321-66FA-408A-86D0-9F48CB0B2CBE@wi.rr.com> Johnson Controls makes Interstate, Die Hard and Costco Kirkland batteries. They are the largest manufacturer of batteries in the USA followed by Exide and East Penn. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2021, at 11:10 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > ? I believe Interstate is owned by Yuasa. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? TeriAnn, >> >> BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. >> >> We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. >> >> Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. >> >> If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. >> >> Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. >> >> It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. >> >> Paul Ricco >> >>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>>> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. >>> I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. >>> >>> For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> -- >>> Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada >>> 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write >>> >>> Because the world beckons and life waits for no one >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Definitely car related. > > > https://www.autoweek.com/news/people/a35567136/bruce-meyers-obit/?fbclid=IwAR1Do1c0dGJ3UEcsyGB1DoQ9p9Bqknp4bfRutKxzOMNaJ1t5KrxUSuabXQY > > Iconic Car. > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Feb 24 10:58:59 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Low port manifold gaskets References: <1610069A-3624-4090-B63C-71E9E01CE671.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <1610069A-3624-4090-B63C-71E9E01CE671@aol.com> ?A stack of 14 old but unused low port manifold gaskets. I picked these up in haste at a flea market years ago. Yours for packing and postage. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 739707 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From sjanzen at me.com Wed Feb 24 11:02:11 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 13:02:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 piston compression height Message-ID: <083D62DA-CC93-4F67-917E-22E6E0EAD89D@me.com> I need to order some pistons - probably Wiseco or Venolia - for my TR6. I?ve got specs for the GT6 but not the TR6. Does anyone know the comp height for the TR6 pistons, and/or have a spec sheet from one of the above manufacturers that they can share? I?ll be using flat top pistons, stock rods, running about 10:1 compression. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 15:11:56 2021 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 piston compression height In-Reply-To: <083D62DA-CC93-4F67-917E-22E6E0EAD89D@me.com> References: <083D62DA-CC93-4F67-917E-22E6E0EAD89D@me.com> Message-ID: <998065719.1735475.1614204716629@mail.yahoo.com> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 12:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I need to order some pistons - probably Wiseco or Venolia - for my TR6. ?I?ve got specs for the GT6 but not the TR6. 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Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 26 08:34:26 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:34:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com Message-ID: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. Cheers Henry From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 08:39:34 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:39:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Thank you Henry......the FOT is really alive and well. And very well self policed, thankfully. Not bad for a non-organization. Everyone has elevated the importance and image of our Marque. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 26, 2021, at 9:35 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:01:18 2021 From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:01:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Very nice. Thank you. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad > On Feb 26, 2021, at 9:35 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com > > From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:53:06 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Henry - Just checked it out - Nice! Thanks, Terry > On Feb 26, 2021, at 10:35, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Feb 26 11:03:18 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:03:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com Message-ID: <1841747409.3317.1614362601566@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The last picture in the TR3 gallery .... last car is Harkness Here's a better solo picture of me than the one you have. That one has pretty awful resolution. This one not only has better resolution but it also has my FV Teammate behind me. Ah, the beauty of torque. And, here's a pic of Bob Wismer Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Feb 26, 2021 10:34 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com > >The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. >www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would >appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > >Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point >it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot >how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I >set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when >Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > >The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size >screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to >update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link >shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches >on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's >email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > >Cheers > >Henry >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Wismer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 56678 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 9:34 AM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. > www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would > appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point > it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot > how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I > set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when > Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size > screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to > update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link > shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches > on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's > email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 11:50:03 2021 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 12:50:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <1841747409.3317.1614362601566@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1841747409.3317.1614362601566@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mike, Shouldn't you be providing a pic of your car showing The Skunk? Irv Korey On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:47 PM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > The last picture in the TR3 gallery .... last car is Harkness > Here's a better solo picture of me than the one you have. That one has > pretty awful resolution. > This one not only has better resolution but it also has my FV Teammate > behind me. Ah, the beauty of torque. > > And, here's a pic of Bob Wismer > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: yellow04 via Fot > >Sent: Feb 26, 2021 10:34 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com > > > >The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. > >www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would > >appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > > >Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point > >it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot > >how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I > >set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when > >Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > > >The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size > >screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to > >update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link > >shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches > >on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's > >email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > > >Cheers > > > >Henry > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mleccese1 at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 12:08:31 2021 From: mleccese1 at verizon.net (mleccese1) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Very nice,I participated in the kas kastner cup in 2020 at mid Ohio, lots of fun.Michael LecceseSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: yellow04 via Fot Date: 2/26/21 10:35 AM (GMT-05:00) To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online.? www.fot-racing.com? If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention.Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website...The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures.CheersHenry_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website...The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures.CheersHenry_______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 26 16:06:39 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:06:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com Message-ID: If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different categories, so stay tuned! Again, the place to upload your picture is here... ---> www.ccfot.com <--- PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. Cheers From vfracing at aol.com Fri Feb 26 19:35:10 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 02:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1354966609.226120.1614393310287@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! ?Your efforts much appreciated.This looks like a great site!?Have uploaded an unusual TR racing photo.Blurry at speed, but still interesting.Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2021 6:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different categories, so stay tuned! Again, the place to upload your picture is here... ? --->? www.ccfot.com? <--- PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. Cheers _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 22:39:54 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:39:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SoCal E-Ticket racers, Looks like at minimum, some updated images may be of value on the new FOT website, if all are good, I will upload one of my fairly current images of your cars. No go? Let me know! Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 3:07 PM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to > our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO > NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! > > At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car > pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on > track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am > trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light > on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! > Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. > > If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If > not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to > submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to > www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. > > In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different > categories, so stay tuned! > > Again, the place to upload your picture is here... > > ---> www.ccfot.com <--- > > PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the > kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. > > Cheers > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Feb 27 05:05:37 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 07:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a team and event photos page where photos like the one Brad is talking about will go. At this point the E-Ticket and TxTriumph teams have galleries, albeit the vast majority of of the images are old. I think we can do some neat stuff with that page, expect a call for pictures like the one Brad is talking about soon. We have been getting some really, really good submissions. Exciting stuff. Here are a couple of outstanding examples, first one happens to be of our most recent Kastner Cup winner, Mike Munson: https://fot-racing.com/triumph-race-cars/tr5-tr250-tr6/b1963d89-9f4f-452c-b920-f80bd4d466f1/ Or Chris Marx redefining the concept of "4 off": https://fot-racing.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/e0.jpg - The file uploading process seems to be working well, so far I have not had to chase anybody down for "who is this", I appreciate that. Keep those pictures coming, our new website software makes it fast and easy for adding new content. On 2021-02-27 00:39, Brad Eells wrote: > SoCal E-Ticket racers, > > Looks like at minimum, some updated images may be of value on the new > FOT website, if all are good, I will upload one of my fairly current > images of your cars. > > No go? Let me know! From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:52:15 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 18:52:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VARA high desert challenge Message-ID: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> Hello all, Who?s going? I just signed up with the Spitfire. Going to try and run every race this year! Chuck From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Sat Feb 27 22:07:41 2021 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:07:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VARA high desert challenge In-Reply-To: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> References: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: I plan to be there in the silver Spit 1300 that I will rent from Joe Siam of Checkered Flag Racing. Haven't signed up yet but just got back in town and will try to enter tomorrow. On Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 6:52 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > Hello all, > > Who?s going? I just signed up with the Spitfire. Going to try and run > every race this year! > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Feb 28 06:09:36 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 13:09:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Who's that on pole? Message-ID: Just got my invitation to the SCCA Super Tour Cumberland Classic event. The cover photo caught my eye. Is it just me or is that Mr. Sam Halkias taking the green on pole? [Image] Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All great stuff and it's on the event's page: https://fot-racing.com/fot-feature-events/mid-ohio-1992/ From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Feb 28 11:09:01 2021 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:09:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <8a1536064923c10dc5b592e206736dfc@tr4racer.com> References: <8a1536064923c10dc5b592e206736dfc@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: I was there, as a spectator. If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! Good times. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 11:23:09 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: References: <8a1536064923c10dc5b592e206736dfc@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> I was there as well.? That was when I was still racing my TR-4 in SCCA.? Charles Runyan had asked me to bring my car over and put it on display at The Roadster Factory tent.? I think TRF helped sponsor the event.? I towed my car over with my race van and brought my Harley along in the back of the van.? Once I dropped the race car off at the TRF tent, I parked my van & trailer and spent the rest of the weekend riding around on my Harley.? Great fun.? Great memories. Jack On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 1:10:07 PM EST, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I was there, as a spectator.? If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! ? Good times. ? Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio ? A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 11:29:42 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:29:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> References: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mid-Ohio was the beginning of something BIG for Triumphs. Tom Householder and some WPTA guys need to get serious credit for this. There were several people that attended that influenced them to join the vintage racing scene. The FOT and the Kastner Cup has built on that event. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 28, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was there as well. That was when I was still racing my TR-4 in SCCA. Charles Runyan had asked me to bring my car over and put it on display at The Roadster Factory tent. I think TRF helped sponsor the event. I towed my car over with my race van and brought my Harley along in the back of the van. Once I dropped the race car off at the TRF tent, I parked my van & trailer and spent the rest of the weekend riding around on my Harley. Great fun. Great memories. > > Jack > > On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 1:10:07 PM EST, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > > I was there, as a spectator. If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. > > As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! > > > > Good times. > > > > Terry Stetler > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: yellow04 via Fot > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio > > > > A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and > folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he > took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of > pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! > > All great stuff and it's on the event's page: > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffot-racing.com%2Ffot-feature-events%2Fmid-ohio-1992%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690200076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2cWY2G56x05pmtgzsDk8ZWob%2Bje3D8GcRg2A21QnWZE%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0YscLb9IaK9hBM4CPUXIv1kfMYEgjgP8cK43yuvlQ%2BM%3D&reserved=0 > > Donate: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Yky1S01gnBeYzlsDgJyK8Cd8EMmGdlCr7fEAmntI6SU%3D&reserved=0 > Archive: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=zeALenM0RWp0tIidrJC7h6%2F%2BV9w7%2B55mUu08clGVrXc%3D&reserved=0 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=p5he%2FrT040JJZDPr%2Fa6%2Bd9ilzvKc5ekPiK06fwyI%2FYY%3D&reserved=0 > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ftlizzard%40msn.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Uo4l56jbo%2B3LRdWTmTKbXU2uUjR%2FX1n4DxfQMxqUI%2Bk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I worked a different corner every day including the Keyhole. On Sunday, I was assigned to Corner 1 so that I would be able to do the street car parade lap from the access road by the station. I roamed the paddock after the racing was finished each day, and it was there that I met Joe Alexander in the shiny and fresh #97. Good times for sure. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Feb 28 14:33:09 2021 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 16:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Single Post Lift? Message-ID: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> FoTs, there was a dialogue a while ago about movable single post lifts. I thought I saved it, but can't find. Can anyone point me to a site or company? Thanks, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 16:38:44 2021 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:38:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Single Post Lift? In-Reply-To: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> References: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> Message-ID: Try Bend Pack (Pak?) They make a nice portable lift. Only rises about 3 feet though. I have one and for certain jobs it's great. Cheers, Bill On 2/28/2021 4:33 PM, Henry Giffin via Fot wrote: > > FoTs, there was a dialogue a while ago about movable single post > lifts. I thought I saved it, but can???t find.??? Can anyone point me to a > site or company???? Thanks, Hank > > Hank Giffin > > 757-375-1491 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 09:05:29 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:05:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lug Nuts In-Reply-To: <393345931.671193.1612132994796@mail.yahoo.com> References: <393345931.671193.1612132994796.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <393345931.671193.1612132994796@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> I do have some old nuts that I?m not using, but I?d hate to part with them. As a patient once said to his cancer doc ?No, I?m not using them, but they sure do dress up a man?. > On Jan 31, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > I assume most of you have a bunch of old lug nuts laying around. But, just in case somebody needs a spare or two, I've got a lot of them on their way to the scrap metal man, if not claimed. Joe was kind enough to forward my email about this. I tried to forward the pictures of the remaining 4 items, using the same email address Joe used, but for some reason they didn't go through. So, if anyone saw Joe's email and would like to see pictures of items 4 - 7 in my list, please email me directly and I will send you the pictures you want to see. Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 09:14:51 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 10:14:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lug Nuts In-Reply-To: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> References: <37904407-A80D-4FDB-95F0-480652DD34E4@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: I knew that was coming. See you in July for the Kastner Cup. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?I do have some old nuts that I?m not using, but I?d hate to part with them. As a patient once said to his cancer doc ?No, I?m not using them, but they sure do dress up a man?. > >> On Jan 31, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> I assume most of you have a bunch of old lug nuts laying around. But, just in case somebody needs a spare or two, I've got a lot of them on their way to the scrap metal man, if not claimed. Joe was kind enough to forward my email about this. I tried to forward the pictures of the remaining 4 items, using the same email address Joe used, but for some reason they didn't go through. So, if anyone saw Joe's email and would like to see pictures of items 4 - 7 in my list, please email me directly and I will send you the pictures you want to see. 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URL: From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 10:12:05 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 12:12:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] to Duncan Charlton Message-ID: <1612285925.3nrjrtc7sw8s48o8@webmail.lumos.net> Hi Duncan, I was just reading the new issue of the SVBCC newsletter and realized that you have moved to this area. I guess either I missed it or hadn't been paying attention, but anyway, welcome to the Central Virginia area. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 13:13:38 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket Message-ID: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net From john at linneyweb.com Tue Feb 2 13:20:25 2021 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:20:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> I got mine from The Roadster Factory and it?s been great, though I suspect they aren?t meant to be reused as they crush to achieve their seal. > On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john at linneyweb.com > > From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Feb 2 13:36:34 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) References: <1784116944.1721821.1612298194489.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1784116944.1721821.1612298194489@mail.yahoo.com> Hi those intake/ exhaust gaskets the hp are made for one time use. ?Once torqued up they?re done. ?You can smear a little?motor oil on their?surface prior to assembly.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, February 2, 2021,?R. John Lye via Fot??wrote: Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Tue Feb 2 13:38:23 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> <722E70FA-275E-4B50-8D9F-DD1DAF8DDFBC@linneyweb.com> Message-ID: <661004509.1196002.1612298303691@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, they are pretty much a one-time gasket due to their sandwich type construction. ?But they do work well under hi temp use. I'd like to find a source as Moss and TRF were out of them last time I checked.... Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: John Linney via Fot To: R. John Lye Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2021 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket I got mine from The Roadster Factory and it?s been great, though I suspect they aren?t meant to be reused as they crush to achieve their seal. > On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution.? 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URL: From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Tue Feb 2 13:42:05 2021 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:42:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 3255 West 26th Street Erie, PA 16506 Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 Fax:??????? 888-865-5279 Email:??? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 13:51:51 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A205C95-A163-4412-A574-22D834CF12E0@gmail.com> We have REMFLEX in stock and discounted. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > > ?I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > > I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > > http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 3255 West 26th Street > Erie, PA 16506 > > Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 > Fax: 888-865-5279 > Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From rjl6n at cstone.net Tue Feb 2 14:00:25 2021 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 16:00:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> Thanks for all the good ideas folks. I think that I am going to try the Remflex gaskets.? If they are good enough for Joe Alexander, they should be a good product. Thanks, John ? On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500, "R. John Lye via Fot" wrote: Hi all, I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. ? -- Thanks, John rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net ? From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Feb 2 14:06:10 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:06:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use.? However they are NOT reusable. Regards, Tony Drews On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > > I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > > http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 3255 West 26th Street > Erie, PA 16506 > > Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 > Fax:??????? 888-865-5279 > Email:??? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 14:10:53 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612299625.hx81i7sb40w8ggs4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <051BA274-9A8F-482B-B693-74DA03C43BDE@gmail.com> Sean Alexander is using them and has them in stock at a discount. I am trying to be retired. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 2, 2021, at 3:07 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Thanks for all the good ideas folks. I think that I am going to try the Remflex > gaskets. If they are good enough for Joe Alexander, they should be a good > product. > > Thanks, > John > > > > > > > On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:13:38 -0500, "R. John Lye via Fot" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl6n at cstone.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Feb 2 15:54:53 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 16:54:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. - Tony On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > > Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > I use your head gaskets by the way. > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >> >> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >> >> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >> >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 3255 West 26th Street >> Erie, PA 16506 >> >> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 >> Fax: 888-865-5279 >> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >> Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> John >> >> rjl6n at cstone.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Feb 2 16:16:38 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:16:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net>, <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <7D5866DA-33FC-406B-A70C-0B8FAA3C2335@mhc-law.com> I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade. I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size. Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly. It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > - Tony > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. >> >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. >> I use your head gaskets by the way. >> >> Jim G >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. >> >> Regards, Tony Drews >> >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >>> >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >>> >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> 3255 West 26th Street >>> Erie, PA 16506 >>> >>> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 >>> Fax: 888-865-5279 >>> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >>> Fot >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >>> rjl6n at cstone.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 2 16:24:06 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> References: <006a01d6f9ad$51540e90$f3fc2bb0$@comcast.net> <81629c3a-3a5d-6e66-970f-f8005340d4d4@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <253173756.1410263.1612308246319@mail.yahoo.com> Sort of like cutting the old Factory steel head gaskets to fit the liners, except you can't cut those with a knife.? Did you know they were originally made to be part of a decompression kit for Europe, due to poor fuel quality there.? Someone (probably Kas or Group 44) came up with the idea of using them to increase compression in race engines.. Regards. Jack On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, 6:00:16 PM EST, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. - Tony On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > > Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > I use your head gaskets by the way. > > Jim G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > > I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >> >> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >> >> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >> >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 3255 West 26th Street >> Erie, PA 16506 >> >> Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 >> Fax:? ? ? ? 888-865-5279 >> Email:? ? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >> Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? >> Thanks in advance. >>? ? >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> John >> >> rjl6n at cstone.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Feb 2 16:50:19 2021 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 23:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D References: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> You cant cut my gaskets with a knife. ?SS insert in the sandwich. ?Need a heavy press and cutting die Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, February 2, 2021,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade.? I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size.? Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly.? It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > - Tony > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. >> >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. >> I use your head gaskets by the way. >> >> Jim G >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >> >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics.? I make my? own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. >> >> Regards, Tony Drews >> >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. >>> >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. >>> >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Mike >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> 3255 West 26th Street >>> Erie, PA 16506 >>> >>> Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100 >>> Fax:? ? ? ? 888-865-5279 >>> Email:? ? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via >>> Fot >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet.? So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution.? Any thoughts or suggestions? >>> Thanks in advance. >>>? >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >>> rjl6n at cstone.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Tue Feb 2 16:54:38 2021 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 17:54:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> Message-ID: <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> I got tired of the stuff commercially available (to be fair hadn?t tried anything from Joe so his might be great too). I decided to go to a supplier of graphite composite gaskets used in the oil and gas market. They cut me several sets in different thicknesses back about 10 years ago. Can you believe I?ve been using the same set since? Been off and reinstalled at least 4 times. Great product. Unfortunately I?ll have to search for the supplier and I?m sure to make a run won?t be cheap. Certainly willing to share if someone wants to start a supply line of these as I?ve proven there a great product. Details to follow if I make it away from my computer long enough to see my shop this weekend. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Thanks, > John > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > From sjanzen at me.com Tue Feb 2 18:28:23 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket In-Reply-To: <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> References: <1612296818.3uvtn92yow0kokw4@webmail.lumos.net> <2F9510AC-8FE3-4D50-92B2-BBB95A1D5480@icloud.com> Message-ID: <0A739540-9078-46DE-A935-863763EBAD8C@me.com> i?d be interested in knowing what the material is. Years ago I got several gaskets from PRI for the GT6 - not a reliable supplier and now gone, but I?m still using and re-using the gaskets. He made them for Spitfires too. It is a thick grey material that has more "give", but has a surface finish almost like masonite hardboard. As such, I can slip a blade under it to separate it from the head and re-use it. I just smear a little permatex black around the intakes. I?ve been using the same one for probably six years or more. It?s been removed at least that many times. I?d love to find something as long lasting as that. Scott On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: I got tired of the stuff commercially available (to be fair hadn?t tried anything from Joe so his might be great too). I decided to go to a supplier of graphite composite gaskets used in the oil and gas market. They cut me several sets in different thicknesses back about 10 years ago. Can you believe I?ve been using the same set since? Been off and reinstalled at least 4 times. Great product. Unfortunately I?ll have to search for the supplier and I?m sure to make a run won?t be cheap. Certainly willing to share if someone wants to start a supply line of these as I?ve proven there a great product. Details to follow if I make it away from my computer long enough to see my shop this weekend. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, R. John Lye via Fot wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, > and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold > gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am > looking for suggestions for a better solution. 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URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 20:37:08 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 19:37:08 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> Hi Amici, The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. Chuck > On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. > > Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? > > If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. > > Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! > > Chuck > >> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >> >> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >> >> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >> >> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>> >>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>> >>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Gee >>> >>> This is the back: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>> >>> From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 2 21:04:05 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:04:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket, question for Mordy D In-Reply-To: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1341749077.1809006.1612309819007@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I bolt 3 gaskets on the head, plug the ports well and then use a Dremel with a stone wheel to enlarge the gasket holes to match the ports. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:06 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?You cant cut my gaskets with a knife. SS insert in the sandwich. Need a heavy press and cutting die > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > I suppose you cut several sets during the winter to allow for those track rebuilds during the season, correct? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:59 PM, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: > > > > ?Someone asked me how I cut these and I thought it might be helpful to describe: > > > > I just use a sharp knife - one of those with the break off blades and a fairly thin blade. I cut the outline first, cut undersized holes for intake / exhaust, stick it on my head and let the ports guide the blade edge as I carve them to size. Doesn't take me as long as described below, but is a bit fiddly. It takes multiple passes to cut through the material, if you're patient it's not too bad. > > > > - Tony > > > >> On 2/2/2021 3:49 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > >> Like Tony I have to make my own. We both use the cannon intake manifolds for the dual DCOE's. Nothing else will seal dependably. > >> Making new intake/exhaust gaskets for my car is something I really dread. Using the composite metal / fiber gasket material can get down right bloody and quite > >> time consuming. I can assemble an entire engine in the time it takes me to make a set of gaskets. > >> > >> Mordy, if your reading this I have to ask if you have ever made copper gaskets for this purpose. It's far easier/faster to cut the fiber gasket material alone than the metal/fiber material > >> I always use. I would be inclined to try my own composite gaskets if I had pre-cut copper gaskets to add to home-cut fiber patterns. > >> I use your head gaskets by the way. > >> > >> Jim G > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Fot On Behalf Of Tony Drews via Fot > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:06 PM > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > >> > >> I use Remflex in my TR-4 because I need the gap sealing characteristics. I make my own from sheet material they sell because the intake manifold holes on the pre-cut ones are too large for my use. However they are NOT reusable. > >> > >> Regards, Tony Drews > >> > >>> On 2/2/2021 2:42 PM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote: > >>> I have not had those problems with the high-performance set, but I don?t reuse them. > >>> > >>> I have not used Remflex, the they say they can be reused. But they are not cheap, that?s why I but a lot of the one Moss sells. > >>> > >>> http://catalog.remflex.com/TRIUMPH_Exhaust_Gasket_p/20-001.htm > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA > >>> 3255 West 26th Street > >>> Erie, PA 16506 > >>> > >>> Phone: 814-616-8652 ext 100 > >>> Fax: 888-865-5279 > >>> Email: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > >>> > >>> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Fot On Behalf Of R. John Lye via > >>> Fot > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:14 PM > >>> To: fot at autox.team.net > >>> Subject: [Fot] Intake/Exhaust manifold gasket > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I have recently had to install and remove a header several times for my TR-3A, and discovered that the Moss Motors "high performance" intake/exhaust manifold gasket had disintegrated, despite not having even started the engine yet. So, I am looking for suggestions for a better solution. Any thoughts or suggestions? > >>> Thanks in advance. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thanks, > >>> John > >>> > >>> rjl6n at cstone.net > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > >>> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tons of history and some good stuff not mentioned in the listing - Overdrive, Southwick rear axle, uncle jack prep?d head and what I assume to be a Tony Drews front hub and spindle kit and more. Sure hope it ends up with a FoT rather than attempts to bring it back to a street car. All the best and Happy Bidding! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-triumph-tr4-race-car/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Wed Feb 3 14:16:11 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:16:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TVT Newsletter back issue Message-ID: Looking for a copy of TVT Newsletter Number 13 Thanks tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Householder via Fot wrote: > Looking for a copy of TVT Newsletter Number 13 > > Thanks > > tom > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 17:57:27 2021 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 19:57:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Free Valves Message-ID: <739278428.8240.1612486648006@connect.xfinity.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, if any of you can identify the following valves, I'll send them along Priority Mail, free. Failing identification in the next few days, I'll give them to anyone that wants them. The intakes measure 1.692" in diameter, with a .340" stem and are about 4-3/4" long. The exhaust measure 1.42" in diameter, with a .340" stem and are about 4.66" long. Ed Woods -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Fri Feb 5 10:05:03 2021 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 17:05:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mike Sutcliffe Message-ID: Can anyone provide me with Contact info or life status for Mike Sutcliffe UK Rally driver early 60s Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On a side note, the few of us here in the PNW are looking forward to seeing all you 'front of the packers' in Portland this summer. Kindly, Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA '62 TR4 #5 (aka the Blue Caboose) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 6 05:04:10 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 13:04:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Hi Dan, I've experience with the plain copper gaskets of Mordy Dunst, with or without his stainless steel O-rings. In my opinion, there is no need of using O-rings on a wet liner engine because the liners are protruding above the engine block. If the liners are not protruding evenly (0.005-0.0075"), the O-rings will not make things better. I've used the copper gaskets with the stainless steel O-rings in a 4-cyl TR engine with welded liners and also on a 6-cylinder TR engine with evenly spaced cylinders : as the liners are not protruding in these engines, the O-rings are useful and are working very well (together with the copper gaskets). As for the Fo8 gaskets : nothing is wrong with the copper and aluminium gaskets that are available nowadays, there is a small difference in thickness. Of course, leaks can occur because of corrosion or when moving the crankshaft when the liners are not fixed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Vrijdag 5 februari 2021 20:06:18 Onderwerp: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65133 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 6 05:33:08 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 07:33:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <652780371.81240888.1612613050647.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <33C4E199-7C33-48D4-9FB1-ED8268133EE6@aol.com> I agree with Marcel regarding the o-rings and liner protrusion dimensions. I use the steel fo8 gaskets with no sealant. Just be sure everything is super clean. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2021, at 7:10 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hi Dan, > I've experience with the plain copper gaskets of Mordy Dunst, with or without his stainless steel O-rings. In my opinion, there is no need of using O-rings on a wet liner engine because the liners are protruding above the engine block. > If the liners are not protruding evenly (0.005-0.0075"), the O-rings will not make things better. I've used the copper gaskets with the stainless steel O-rings in a 4-cyl TR engine with welded liners and also on a 6-cylinder TR engine with evenly spaced cylinders : as the liners are not protruding in these engines, the O-rings are useful and are working very well (together with the copper gaskets). As for the Fo8 gaskets : nothing is wrong with the copper and aluminium gaskets that are available nowadays, there is a small difference in thickness. Of course, leaks can occur because of corrosion or when moving the crankshaft when the liners are not fixed. > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" > Verzonden: Vrijdag 5 februari 2021 20:06:18 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar on them for final assembly. https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: > > ?Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Feb 6 13:40:49 2021 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:40:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> I like hylomar too. It needs to be thin so it will easily squish out. Something like the old Permatex will screw up all your efforts to get the correct liner height. ?- Larry On 2/6/2021 8:00 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: > For the Fo8, I?ve always used Hylomar blue. Great stuff. I?m sure > other non setting materials might work just as well but this has > always worked for me so I have not tried anything else. > > Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust > the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar > on them for final assembly. > > https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ > > > Greg > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the >> preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for >> each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / >> observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I >> am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with >> Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the >> front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy >> Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive >> shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel >> valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S >> roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A >> head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior >> imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth >> any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume >> of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 >> copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side >> of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each >> side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has >> allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am >> aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking >> forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get >> this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Feb 6 13:46:23 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:46:23 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <66B1196A-EA56-48D7-ABD6-1E0B623F3FC4@icloud.com> <1a886939-ba42-4eb9-64a4-84873615f6de@pobox.com> Message-ID: <005301d6fcc9$217944f0$646bced0$@gmail.com> When using the thick silicone layer?.I put the head on and give moderate torque on to force the liners down and let it sit for an hour or so before I continue. I don?t trust Hylomar at this place. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Larry Young via Fot Gesendet: Samstag, 6. Februar 2021 21:41 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets I like hylomar too. It needs to be thin so it will easily squish out. Something like the old Permatex will screw up all your efforts to get the correct liner height. - Larry On 2/6/2021 8:00 AM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: For the Fo8, I?ve always used Hylomar blue. Great stuff. I?m sure other non setting materials might work just as well but this has always worked for me so I have not tried anything else. Assemble the liners and Fo8 dry to measure your liner heights, adjust the stack of Fo8 gaskets accordingly and put a thin coating of hylomar on them for final assembly. https://hylomar.com/en/universal-blue/ Greg Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:51 PM, Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: ? Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. DC _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 13:52:21 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 20:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Free Stuff References: <2118394496.2617201.1612644741571.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2118394496.2617201.1612644741571@mail.yahoo.com> When Paul Trapp did some very significant dyno work for me years ago, he set up a special cam gear, which we could use to vary cam timing between dyno runs, without having to tear down the front end of the engine.? Basically, he elongated the bolt holes so we could change the cam timing by just loosening the bolts, moving the gear to the desired timing and tightening the bolts.? I no longer have need for this modified cam gear, and would be happy to give it to someone who can use it during their dyno runs.? I did not use this gear in a race engine (just on the dyno). With only this gear, you would still have to remove the timing cover to change the timing.? So, Paul also made me a modified timing cover (currently listed on Ebay) with an access hole over the timing gear bolts and a 6 bolt cover over the access hole.? To do this, he had to weld a ring on the inside of the cover and drill & tap it for the cover bolts to screw into.? A rather complicated, but very professional job. I'm not going to give this modified valve cover away, because of the effort that went into the modification.? However, I don't know of anyone else who has made this kind of a modification.? If you want to do multiple dyno runs and try various cam timing settings in a single day, this combination will help you do it.? If you just want the cam gear, let me know and I will ship it to you.? If you are interested in both the gear and the modified timing cover, let me know, and I will work with you on a package price.? I'd like to see someone get these, who can put them to use again. .Best regards. 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Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65133 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 19:17:01 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 19:17:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Feb 7 01:44:58 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:44:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. Marcel Van: "fot" Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < [ mailto:adcronin at mi.rr.com | adcronin at mi.rr.com ] > wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 07:54:37 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Casket Cement of Figure 8 Gaskets References: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> I've read all the comments.? All I can share is my experience.? When I started racing, a long time TR-3 driver recommended just plain old brown Permatex on both sides of the gasket, and on the block and liners.? I'm old school, and believe, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".? In over 50 years of building race and street engines I have never had a leak in my Figure 8 gaskets.? And, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Sun Feb 7 08:11:50 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:11:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco > On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot > wrote: > >> hylomar. >> >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> >> Frank >> >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin > wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Feb 7 08:45:27 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> Message-ID: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. ? I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. ?Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. ?They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - ?if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. ?Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...?Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice.Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone.that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.?leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Feb 7 10:06:44 2021 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 11:06:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Casket Cement of Figure 8 Gaskets In-Reply-To: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1222219174.2746109.1612709677105@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack, Do you measure liner height before or after application of Permatex? This discussion (and numerous others) shows that everyone develops their own methods. They find something that works and then sticks with it. Obviously, there are multiple solutions to many of these problems. With regard to getting the landings clean, when building a new motor I used to bead blast the entire block. Can't believe I was once stout enough to heft it into the bead blaster. ?- Larry On 2/7/2021 8:54 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > I've read all the comments. All I can share is my experience.? 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URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Feb 7 10:06:46 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 09:06:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface. Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the surface condition. I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles. I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set them in place. I haven't pulled the liners. I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back together. I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent. The sealant is just added insurance. Dave H. > On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. > Marcel > > --------------------------------------------- > Van: "fot" > Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > hylomar. > > > > never sets up solid like silicone. > > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < adcronin at mi.rr.com mailto:adcronin at mi.rr.com > wrote: > > > > > > Folks > > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > > DC > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sun Feb 7 10:45:07 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:45:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <109952031.84463443.1612719907049.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" , "Dan Cronin" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. 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It won?t tear thin paper gaskets during disassembly. Great stuff. > On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. > The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. > Marcel > > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "Triumph List" , "fot" , "Dan Cronin" > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 12:18:09 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <95733269-4C56-4D60-B2A0-2629331AA354@att.net> <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512296237.3518071.1612725489784@mail.yahoo.com> When I last raced my TR3 in 2012, the engine had been together for a couple years and I had been using Joe Gibbs? XP1 oil for probably 5 years.? Never had any problems with it dissolving the Aviation Permatex on the rear seal enough to cause a leak, but I would find pieces of the sealant on the oil pick-up screens.? The engine is back together and in the car to race this year, assembled again with the Aviation Permatex on the rear seal.? I guess I will need to find another oil.? To save some research time, does anyone have suggestions of oil that does not attack the Aviation Permatex?? ?I have been using Shaffers race oils in my Miata.? I will need to check with them about compatibility.? It would make it easier to have just one flavor of oil in the garage and trailer.? Joe B. On Sunday, February 7, 2021, 10:49:28 AM EST, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ricco via Fot To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets FOT, I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. ? I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. ?Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. ?They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. My tought here - ?if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. ?Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. Paul Ricco On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...?Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice.Greg ?Lunker? HilyerAlbuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: hylomar. never sets up solid like silicone.that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.?leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. the best gasket dressing ever invented. Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:02:23 2021 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:02:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <109952031.84463443.1612719907049.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <012F7918-49CD-44BC-91E5-F114F92E8A69@gmail.com> I?ve never really understood the passion for aviation permeatex. It?s unpleasant stuff and makes a mess. I think it?s just handy and comes in a big can so once you buy some it?s hanging around in your shop forever. I have a can that?s probably 30 years old?it will probably be around long after I kick. I never use it. > On Feb 7, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John H. Hasty wrote: > > I used Yamabond #4 & #5 for 15 years on my race bikes, no gaskets at all?..great stuff. > > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney at Law > Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A. > 301 S. York St., > P.O. 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We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the federal Bankruptcy Code. > > > From: Fot On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 1:23 PM > To: Marcel Van Mulders > Cc: Frank Fisher ; fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > The Japanese motorcycle manufacturers solved the fundamental gasket-enhancement issue long ago, with two products that perform like Hylomar but IMHO are a bit better. Yamaha called them Yamabond #4 and #5. The product is actually made by Threebond, and about every MC company uses them and private labels the stuff, including Ducati. #4 is a heavier consistency and can be used in gasket-less applications. #5 is thin, flexible and non-hardening and works well for coating gaskets. It won?t tear thin paper gaskets during disassembly. Great stuff. > > > On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:45 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: > > Frank, indeed Hylomar is a right sealant and Silicone is not. Hylomar is a not-setting, non hardening product that allows metal to metal contact even when the cylinderhead is torqued down only after one day. > The purpose of the silicone sealants is to form a sheet when cured (by the moisture in the air) and cannot be compressed after some time. The Permatex brand : the brown stuff is ok, but Permatex blue RTV silicone is not. Curing by moisture is slower than anaerobic curing : one could apply silicone to the Fo8 gaskets and torque the cylhead down immediately, but that is taking risks and it is not the intended use of RTV silicone. > Marcel > > > > Van: "fot" > > Aan: "Triumph List" >, "fot" >, "Dan Cronin" > > Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 02:30:33 > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > hylomar. > > never sets up solid like silicone. > that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. > leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. > > the best gasket dressing ever invented. > > Frank > > On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin > wrote: > > > Folks > Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. > DC > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Feb 7 14:24:28 2021 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <627262633.2475258.1612733068182@mail.yahoo.com> I made a lapping tool out of a liner as well.Cut the cylinder & base off and welded a bridge piece across it with a big nut in the center to get a speed handle & socket on.Good old copper-coat to seal.Never any concerns at all w/figure-8s, just need good mating surfaces, correct liner height, and proper torque. Glen Efinger -----Original Message----- From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot To: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be; van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot ; Greg Hilyer Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface.? Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image of the surface condition.?? I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 miles.? I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set them in place.? I haven't pulled the liners.? I thought I'd just replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh the valves and seats and put it back together. I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent.? The sealant is just added insurance. Dave H. ? On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ? ? ? It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. Marcel Van: "fot" Cc: "Triumph List" , "fot" Verzonden: Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets ? ? Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...? Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: hylomar. ? never sets up solid like silicone. that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.? leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. ? the best gasket dressing ever invented. ? Frank On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < adcronin at mi.rr.com> wrote: Folks Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Feb 7 16:14:21 2021 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:14:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com> <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com> <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com> <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <9ed275aa-d486-d04e-1daa-03daf4a8f446@tonydrews.com> I suspect the reason so many sealants are successful is that it's not really required.? I personally use Gaskacinch on that surface, used to use it on head gaskets too before I switched to Cometic head gaskets. Regards, Tony Drews On 2/7/2021 11:06 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote: > I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface. > Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image > of the surface condition. > I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I > put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now > apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 > miles.? I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set > them in place.? I haven't pulled the liners. I thought I'd just > replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh > the valves and seats and put it back together. > I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is > necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent.? The sealant is > just added insurance. > Dave H. >> On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot >> wrote: >> It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 >> gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products >> won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these >> can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : >> the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will. >> Marcel >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Van: *"fot" >> *Cc: *"Triumph List" , "fot" >> >> *Verzonden: *Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01 >> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets >> Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... >> Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old >> liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve >> lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. >> Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> >> On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net >> > wrote: >> >> hylomar. >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, >> come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> Frank >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin < >> adcronin at mi.rr.com > wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on >> the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have >> worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And >> ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off >> list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit >> from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main >> crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the >> rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA >> conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and >> alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize >> intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy >> pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 >> removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. >> ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp >> edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of >> 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 >> copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head >> side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on >> each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets >> that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to >> 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . >> Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in >> trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:51:50 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:51:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> References: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Hello all, I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow! They came out very nice. I hope you enjoy them. If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience. I?ll ship once I receive payment. Thanks, Chuck > On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hi Amici, > > The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >> >> Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? >> >> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >> >> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >>> >>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>> >>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>> >>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> From kkjjk at aol.com Sun Feb 7 19:14:56 2021 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 02:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> References: <9DEDF2BE-A6B3-4B5E-B1CC-79473014A42D@gmail.com> <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Message-ID: <753381521.571809.1612750496708@mail.yahoo.com> Great, Chuck.? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee via Fot To: Amici Triumphi Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update Hello all, I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow!? They came out very nice.? I hope you enjoy them. If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience.? I?ll ship once I receive payment. Thanks, Chuck > On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Hi Amici, > > The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next.? If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so!? I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. > > Chuck > >> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, >> >> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt.? Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >> >> Thanks to those who have already paid.? If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all!? ? >> >> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight.? Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >> >> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for the great response.? This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it!? >>> >>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping.? They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>> >>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail.? Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40.? If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05.? You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>> >>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities.? Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct.? If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list.? Once all this is finalized we will place the order.? I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment.? Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut.? Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup.? These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>> >>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one.? Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well.? I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you?? Is anyone interested?? They would be white short sleeve.? Attached are some pics to illustrate.? The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>> >>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Gee >>>> >>>> This is the back: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrysopher at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 19:26:45 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:26:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] American Explosives tee shirts - update In-Reply-To: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> References: <96336746-F7A4-4354-A387-452CDEA0BB94@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02E04F7D-3E31-4DB7-A914-142A877337FA@gmail.com> Thanks Chuck! > On Feb 7, 2021, at 21:08, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > > ?Hello all, > > I received the tee shirts yesterday and will ship tomorrow! They came out very nice. I hope you enjoy them. > > If you haven?t paid yet, please send funds at your convenience. I?ll ship once I receive payment. > > Thanks, > > Chuck > >> On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:37 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >> >> ?Hi Amici, >> >> The tee shirt order has been placed and I expect to get them sometime this week or next. If you haven?t sent payment yet, please feel free to do so! I?ve heard from most so thank you very much. >> >> Chuck >> >>>> On Jan 15, 2021, at 5:55 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello all, >>> >>> I?ve sent an email with payment instructions to everyone who expressed interest in the shirt. Let me know if you didn?t get it and I?ll send again. >>> >>> Thanks to those who have already paid. If response is over the top tonight, I?m headed to Vegas tomorrow to spend it all! ? >>> >>> If you are still on the fence about ordering, I?m going to cut this off on Sunday at midnight. Once I have the totals, we will place the order and get them going. >>> >>> Thanks for the interest, I think you will all really like them! >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>>>> On Jan 13, 2021, at 6:23 PM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Hello all, >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone for the great response. This has gone very smooth so far and I appreciate it! >>>> >>>> We got the quotes back and the price for the shirts is $15 plus shipping. They are the thick beefy tees and will be nice. >>>> >>>> I?ll ship them via USPS Priority Mail. Not sure how many I can get in the padded envelope, but if I can ship them that way, the current cost is $8.40. If I have to use the medium box it will be $15.05. You can always come pick them up and if you do, there is a cold beer waiting for ya! >>>> >>>> Here?s the list of people who responded with sizes and quantities. Please double check the info and let me know if it is correct. If you don?t see your name and want one, please let me know and I?ll add you to the list. Once all this is finalized we will place the order. I?ll need addresses for everyone as well as payment. Checks will be fine as well as PayPal, as long as you send payment in a way where they take a cut. Not exactly sure how that is, but we?ll figure it out when the time comes. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:26 AM, chasgee22 at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> Way back in 2007 I made some tee shirts for the Kastner Cup. These were based on the design that a Friend of Kas? used back in the day to parody the Cobra shirts the Shelby guys were wearing. >>>>> >>>>> I ran across one of my shirts in the closet the other day and decided I needed a new one. Rather than make just one, I figured a lot of you might want one as well. I think we can keep the price somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the quantity, so what say you? Is anyone interested? They would be white short sleeve. Attached are some pics to illustrate. The front would just be the FOT logo, not the Kastner Cup 2007 reference. >>>>> >>>>> Steve Belfer has graciously agreed to help with the artwork (my original supplier is long gone), so you know they will be very classy. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Gee >>>>> >>>>> This is the back: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is the front (about 3? in size on the upper left, just the FOT logo though with some friends of triumph wording): >>>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From john at linneyweb.com Sun Feb 7 22:10:18 2021 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:10:18 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head head scratcher. Message-ID: I?m wondering if anyone has seen anything like this in the attached photo. I found some coolant pooled around the number 4 spark plug on my TR4 head. I took this photo about 10 minutes after cleaning it up. Stone cold engine. It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. ?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. Might I soon be in search of a new head, or is this repairable? Could it be a crack or is it corrosion? The head part number is 511695. Would love to know what you all think. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 509461 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Mon Feb 8 06:52:28 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 08:52:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses Message-ID: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> Listers All: I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists. Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23712 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 06:58:05 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 07:58:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: Dan I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal. I just googled it and Pegasus carries it. I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot wrote: > Listers All: > I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond > to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of > materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time today or > tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists. > Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular > product or brand?. > Dan > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3668.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23712 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adcronin at mi.rr.com Mon Feb 8 10:54:39 2021 From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (adcronin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:54:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: <9122508F-9036-4FF2-A2C1-66B1CB5CF6A3@mi.rr.com> Bob K You are correct in pointing out that the TR2/3supplement of the Workshop Manual does in fact mention Wellseal. My observation was based on the TR4 Manual and must admit to being too lazy to verify against the original third edition of the TR2,3 supplement in my library. In the TR4 first edition manual there is no mention of a specific product other than the mention ?Fit the new Figure ?8? gaskets coated with jointing compound?. On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: Dan I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal. I just googled it and Pegasus carries it. I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot > wrote: Listers All: I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists. Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Dan _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 11:13:46 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:13:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: <9122508F-9036-4FF2-A2C1-66B1CB5CF6A3@mi.rr.com> References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> <9122508F-9036-4FF2-A2C1-66B1CB5CF6A3@mi.rr.com> Message-ID: Dan I think I learned of it by perusing one of the Roadster Factory catalogs. Charles must have done the research to find that information in the supplement you refer to and they probably carry it too, on the same page in the catalog with the nuts and the TinTin stuff:) Good job with your sleuthing skills! Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:54 AM adcronin wrote: > Bob K > You are correct in pointing out that the TR2/3supplement of the Workshop > Manual does in fact mention Wellseal. My observation was based on the TR4 > Manual and must admit to being too lazy to verify against the original > third edition of the TR2,3 supplement in my library. In the TR4 first > edition manual there is no mention of a specific product other than the > mention *?Fit the new Figure ?8? gaskets coated with jointing compound?.* > > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > Dan > > I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal. I just > googled it and Pegasus carries it. I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is > relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99 > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot > wrote: > >> Listers All: >> I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to >> respond to my question. We have had more than 20 folks respond and the >> variety of materials used was impressive. I will spend a bit more time >> today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to >> both lists. Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a >> particular product or brand?. >> Dan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 12:43:33 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:43:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where did the information about a Driven oils not being compatible with Permatex Aviation come from? I contacted Driven and they are not aware of any incompatibility with Aviation Permatex. Joe B. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:49 AM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Great point, Paul; As both Dave and I have said in other threads, the Driven/Joe Gibbs oil we use dissolves the Permatex Aviation cement popular for rear main cap side seals and some have indicated they use on the fo8 gaskets. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Ricco via Fot > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2021 10:16 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets > > FOT, > > I have one thought to add to the sealant conversation and I am not intending to restart the entire oil debate by commenting on this. I know that many on the list feel that Brad Penn is the only oil, and that is OK if that is your belief. > > However, there are many good race oil choices on the market and more being added every day. Some of the synthetic and synthetic blend race oils have an additive package in them that is very aggressive to some of the traditional sealants. They will actually dissolve them even after they are cured. > > My tought here - if you have interest in trying a particular oil you should check with the oil manufacturers tech support regarding sealant compatibility. Do some homework upfront and it will save you from having to tear down a fresh engine to re-seal your rear main gasket, oil pan, etc, etc. > > Just my two-sense on the sealant subject. > > Paul Ricco > >> On Feb 6, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: >> > > Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but... > Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > > On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot wrote: > >> hylomar. >> >> never sets up solid like silicone. >> that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around. >> leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow. >> >> the best gasket dressing ever invented. >> >> Frank >> >> On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin wrote: >> >> >> Folks >> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. And any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can. >> DC >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users COPPER COAT, PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to go... One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the ?land? in the block. This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the land prior to using the ?hone?. On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney wrote: Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Basic Reasons: 1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways. 2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets. 3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks. Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid. I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it! Jonmac > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 14:19:59 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 21:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <763150331.2746260.1612814231568@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2047848177.2420423.1612712727839@mail.yahoo.com> <763150331.2746260.1612814231568@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks David.? Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.? They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is).? I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents.? The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents.? Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then).?? Thanks for bringing this issue to light.? Joe B. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: Hi Joe, Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. ?You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. ? Never happened before running the oil. ?Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 8 14:27:30 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:27:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe; We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). > > Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. > > > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 8 14:46:10 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses In-Reply-To: References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com> <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <00c701d6fe63$d0c24ba0$7246e2e0$@gmail.com> To specify the silicone: Two options: W?rth red special 250 RTV black 260 or more At least, the engine design is quite rough and not a NASA built. I guess most things would work. I try to keep it simple and what is handy and modern. The good thing with silicone?..it glues the sleeves in place. Very convenient at the track when you need to remove the head. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von adcronin via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 8. Februar 2021 21:45 An: John Macartney Cc: Triumph List ; FOT List Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT THREAD?Thanks again to all who contributed We had around 25 responses of one sort or another, several good suggestions and a couple of ?heads up? regarding ?aggressive? motor oil potential reaction with some sealants. Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users COPPER COAT, PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to go... One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the ?land? in the block. This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the land prior to using the ?hone?. On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney > wrote: Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?. Basic Reasons: 1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways. 2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets. 3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks. Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid. I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it! Jonmac Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 15:02:35 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: References: <1935248117.3971509.1612819199684@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant?? ?JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: Joe;We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases.In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! ?Thanks to Ken Knight for ?the recommendation.We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt....Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: ? Thanks David.? Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution.? They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is).? I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents.? The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents.? Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then).?? Thanks for bringing this issue to light.? Joe B. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: Hi Joe, Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. ?You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. ? Never happened before running the oil. ?Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Mon Feb 8 16:00:18 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:00:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part Message-ID: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 8 16:00:54 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:00:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> References: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D4C01EA-0056-43F0-8081-E4E5FF160A50@aol.com> Joe: We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume is full. It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, even with the key, when they get near the end. Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine. Hope this helps. Regards, Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant? JoeB. > >> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> >> >> Joe; >> We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. >> In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. >> We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... >> Phil Gott >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>> >> ? >> Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). >> >> Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: >> >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' > > Any suggestions are welcomed! > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:09:16 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> References: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: Larger body shops often throw out some pretty fine packing materials. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:01 PM Redmond via Fot wrote: > Friends, > > > I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to > Arizona. > > Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' > > Any suggestions are welcomed! > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack On Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:01:36 PM EST, Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! Todd _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Feb 8 16:58:46 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:58:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part Message-ID: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Mon Feb 8 17:11:14 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <573278962.8088.1612828820459@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <687CAB8B-E0D8-49E6-AFF5-F1582B9C7EF1@seiri.com> Another reasonable choice is Fastenal. If you have a crate, they have trucks going all over. And they will deliver to the nearest Fastenal for pickup. What?s, of course, you will not escape unscathed. ;) Bob > On Feb 8, 2021, at 19:01, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > ? > I endorse the Greyhound approach. They can take relatively large items for reasonable cost if you don?t need a guaranteed delivery time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > Sent: Feb 8, 2021 6:08 PM > To: Redmond > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net FOT at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Shipping a large part > > I have use uship.com twice. Good results. Once for a 17 foot sailboat and once for about 500 books. > > Recently, in working with the British Sports Car Museum & Hall of Fame, six huge display cases were shipped from Portland, OR to Petersburg, VA. > > Another choice might be Greyhound bus. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Redmond via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Friends, >> >> >> >> I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. >> >> Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' >> >> Any suggestions are welcomed! >> >> Todd >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 17:50:19 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Shipping a large part In-Reply-To: <1323556505.3215301.1612826724441@mail.yahoo.com> References: <305405855.1554063.1612825218096@mymail.optimum.net> <946482762.3217482.1612826684555@mail.yahoo.com> <1323556505.3215301.1612826724441@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <910956973.36475.1612831819012@mail.yahoo.com> Some years ago (5?) I was selling some Toyota Land Cruiser doors on Craigslist.? Someone from North Carolina contacted me when I was still in Connecticut that wanted them.? I was not going to box/crate them, but after the buyer paid me, I dropped them off at a UPS Store and they were going to work directly with the buyer to box/crate and ship them.? I think it was about $250 back then.? JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 06:44:52 PM EST, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jack Wheeler To: Redmond Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:24:44 PM ESTSubject: Re: [Fot] Shipping a large part I shipped a hard top for an E-Type to Japan by UPS.? I just dropped it off, they built the crate and shipped it off.? Not cheap (but the customer was paying). Jack On Monday, February 8, 2021, 6:01:36 PM EST, Redmond via Fot wrote: Friends, I'm looking for the best way to ship a large part from New Jersey to Arizona. Its the rear hatch from an Alfa with the glass. Approx. 3.5' x 3.5' Any suggestions are welcomed! 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URL: From jaboruch at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 17:59:01 2021 From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 00:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Application of Anaerobic Sealant In-Reply-To: <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB@aol.com> References: <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB.ref@aol.com> <0140E80B-FE3B-4442-805D-5810F1D8D5AB@aol.com> Message-ID: <1676017992.38581.1612832341925@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Phil.? The specs say for gaps up to 0.015".? The opening for the felt is much larger than that.? I'd be interested to hear how it sets up.? JoeB. On Monday, February 8, 2021, 06:21:55 PM EST, Phil Gott wrote: Here?s a photo of the experimental application of the gel to the rear main cap. The washer on the nozzle seals the trapezoidal opening. The blue gel is regular rtv which never completely set up. The red is the anaerobic gel. You can see the gels oozing out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. No, that not my race engine! 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Thanks for all your feedback and help! -john > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:33 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > > ? > If that's a static leak, a pressure test would likely confirm your suspicions. > I checked a cut-up head that I have, there's a good bit of meat around the plug hole but if there's heavy corrosion in the water jacket, that could be the culprit. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Linney via Fot > To: Fot > Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 12:10 am > Subject: [Fot] Cylinder head head scratcher. > > I?m wondering if anyone has seen anything like this in the attached photo. I found some coolant pooled around the number 4 spark plug on my TR4 head. I took this photo about 10 minutes after cleaning it up. Stone cold engine. It appears I?ve got coolant seeping through the head at that point. The crack is not in the threads as I had feared. Logic tells me this may not become a critical crack, but I don?t know the topology of those passages well enough to be certain. 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URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 06:14:05 2021 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:14:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets In-Reply-To: <4D4C01EA-0056-43F0-8081-E4E5FF160A50@aol.com> References: <265145790.4000265.1612821755578@mail.yahoo.com> <4D4C01EA-0056-43F0-8081-E4E5FF160A50@aol.com> Message-ID: Phil That anaerobic gasket maker may work but I think it is risky. I doubt it will ever dry out, with the outer layer setting up and sealing the inner layers. Maybe engine heat wil help. One man's opinion and we all know that everyone got one........ If I was going to try something I'd be tempted to use the Hylomar 101. It is ivory in color and is a room temperature vulcanising (RTV) silicone compound. They advertise that *Hylosil 101 has good resistance to oils and aqueous anti-freeze agents. Unlike general-purpose silicone* *sealants, Hylosil 101 contains no solvents and does not give off acetic acid during cure.* I used to use it to fill the gaps in the transmission mount, for better vibration resistance and to hold it together when it inevitably split. Now we have the ARE trans mount. This stuff is most easily acquired from a John Deere Dealership. [image: image.png] Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Joe: > We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all > surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the > trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one > of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel > into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the > chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the > trapezoidal volume is full. > > It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a > caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). > > One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, > even with the key, when they get near the end. > > Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if > you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. > You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the > pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the > uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you > prefer) and had it all set up just fine. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Phil > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, > or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic > sealant? JoeB. > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > Joe; > We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex > was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. > In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so > it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had > that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be > really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. > We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much > easier than soaked felt.... > Phil Gott > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > > ? > Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, > but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest > not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic > solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for > Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected > by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is > affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go > back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). > > Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. > > > > On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott < > triumphsix at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by > Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon > removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. > Never happened before running the oil. 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One man's opinion and we all know that everyone got one........ > > If I was going to try something I'd be tempted to use the Hylomar 101. It is ivory in color and is a room temperature vulcanising (RTV) silicone compound. They advertise that Hylosil 101 has good resistance to oils and aqueous anti-freeze agents. Unlike general-purpose silicone > sealants, Hylosil 101 contains no solvents and does not give off acetic acid during cure. > > I used to use it to fill the gaps in the transmission mount, for better vibration resistance and to hold it together when it inevitably split. Now we have the ARE trans mount. > > This stuff is most easily acquired from a John Deere Dealership. > > > > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Joe: >> We fill the gap completely with the anaerobic sealant. After cleaning all surfaces well I use the tapered nozzle they supply, cut it to fit into the trapezoid and then put a washer over the end to seal it up. Then I use one of those toothpaste tube keys to squeeze the tube, forcing the sealant gel into the trapezoid. Keep squeezing until I see the gel come out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That way I know the trapezoidal volume is full. >> >> It would probably be easier to buy a cartridge and put it in with a caulking gun, but that?s kinda pricey (~$50). >> >> One regular size tube will do two engines. They get very hard to squeeze, even with the key, when they get near the end. >> >> Because it is anaerobic, the gel won?t set up near the oil pan surface if you leave it exposed to air. Covering it with a piece of tape works well. You can then peel the tape off when you put the oil pan on. Or install the pan immediately. I have laid some ?Ultra? black rtv right on top of the uncured aerobic gel, then put on the oil pan (with or without gasket as you prefer) and had it all set up just fine. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> Phil >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Phil, how are you using the Anearobic sealant? Are you still using felt, or are you filling the gap where the felt would be with the Anearobic sealant? JoeB. >>> >>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 04:28:25 PM EST, Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >>> >>> >>> Joe; >>> We?ve used the two of them together in two different engines. The Permatex was washed away from the rear main seal cap sides in both cases. >>> In fairness, in that application it takes a very long time to dry, and so it may have not set completely before we ran the engine. But we never had that issue until using the Driven synthetic oil. Which, BTW, seems to be really good stuff! Thanks to Ken Knight for the recommendation. >>> We?ve switched to Permatex Anaerobic sealant and it works very well. Much easier than soaked felt.... >>> Phil Gott >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Feb 8, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Thanks David. Driven says that their oils should not cause your issue, but they think you may have an issue with fuel dilution. They did suggest not to use the Aviation Permatex, since it can be affected by aromatic solvents (which is what gasoline is). I looked at the instructions for Permatex Indian Head gasket shellac and it does not say that it is affected by aromatic solvents. The instructions for Aviation Permatex say that is affected by aromatic solvents. Looks like for my next build that I will go back to using Indian Head (if it has not been deemed to be un PC by then). >>>> >>>> Thanks for bringing this issue to light. Joe B. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 02:57:29 PM EST, David Gott wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Joe, >>>> >>>> Here?s some pictures of the felts in my engine after being washed clean by Driven XP3. You can see the cement is washed out of the felts upon removal, and also the permatex parted along the seam of the block/cap. Never happened before running the oil. Hondabond held up just fine afterwards. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at yahoo.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see the gels oozing out of the chamfered area at the base of the rear main cap. That told us the trapezoid was full. > No, that not my race engine! It is a spare, cracked block used for testing and a good counterweight for my drill press...... Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 787394 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you".? He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me.? There were over 100 bearings.? Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing.? To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going?? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races.? For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less).? I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets.? I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost.? The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear.? About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings?? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned.? The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment.? In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want.? Thanks. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 9 09:49:08 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 16:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings.? The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design.? I always installed my own cam bearings.? I made my own tool years ago.? When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block.? This kept the ends of the bearing aligned.? As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp.? Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block.? Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block.? When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in.? If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam.? If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over.? I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack,What a great story!??IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings.? The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block.?? I'm just curious. tnx-- jim? W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us.? I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager.? The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time.? I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine.? He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you".? He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me.? There were over 100 bearings.? Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing.? To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going?? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races.? For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less).? I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets.? I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost.? The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear.? About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings?? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned.? The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment.? In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want.? Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com -- jim? W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-)J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Feb 9 12:33:37 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:33:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071122770.91111108.1612899217115.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 10 01:12:52 2021 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:12:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A In-Reply-To: <1237354710.2182724.1612905224975@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1229901918.3385384.1612883901218@mail.yahoo.com> <1995415542.3429791.1612889348049@mail.yahoo.com> <1071122770.91111108.1612899217115.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1237354710.2182724.1612905224975@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <616969303.92146436.1612944772919.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Very nice crafted tool! More people may be interested. The dimensions can simply be deduced I think. My tool is similar, except that, instead of the long bar, I've used a threaded rod and I pull the bearings in the engine by spinning a nut on the bar, the nut is hold back by a large washer. This goes smoothly, but for the rearmost bearing, I have to remove the core plug. Marcel Van: "Jack Wheeler" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 22:13:43 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I started with a 1" steel rod about 2' long. Threaded into one end for a 1/2" bolt and made up a thick steel doughnut just slightly under the diameter of the cam bores in the block (about 1" thick). Then I made a second nylon doughnut sized to just slip inside the bearing. These 2 doughnuts have a 1/2" hole in the center, through which the bolt goes, and screws into the end of the 1" shaft (steel doughnut first, then the nylon one). Then I made up a third doughnut, this one also nylon, with one OD to fit into the bore in the front of the block where the front cam bearing goes, and another OD somewhat larger. This third doughnut holds the bar straight while you drive in the bearing. I will take a [picture and attach. If you are interested in the exact dimensions, I can measure it for you. Cheers. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 2:33:39 PM EST, wrote: Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com ] -- jim W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 20:25:33 2021 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! Thanks again for doing this Chuck... They?re ?the bomb?. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 20:54:39 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:54:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1525023981.66192.1613015679804@connect.xfinity.com> Yes! I got mine too. They are finished to a high standard. Thanks Chuck and Steve. Dave H. > On 02/10/2021 7:25 PM Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > > > Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! > Thanks again for doing this Chuck... > They?re ?the bomb?. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From agb at compsnw.com Wed Feb 10 21:15:41 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:15:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate Message-ID: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. Alec Buchan Bellingham, WA 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pjojhgabigcajona.png Type: image/png Size: 537382 bytes Desc: not available URL: From agb at compsnw.com Thu Feb 11 06:00:22 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 05:00:22 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Message-ID: <80aa7630-f36f-617a-f95c-9fbb261f6fe0@compsnw.com> Thank you, he has reached out to me. Best, Alec Buchan aka The Blue Caboose. On 2/11/2021 4:54 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Greg Solow should be a good source.? I think he is on the list but > someone may have his email address.? If I remember it right, his were > engineered a little better than some of the more common ones. > > Bob Kramer > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:18 PM Alec Buchan via Fot > > wrote: > > Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I > need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, > like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pjojhgabigcajona.png Type: image/png Size: 537382 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: emailsignature4.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22639 bytes Desc: not available URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Feb 11 06:37:38 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil filter sandwich plate. References: Message-ID: Is the one on the middle left the one you need? I have had thinkauto make one for me. Very accommodating. Phil Gott -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot 2021-02-11 at 8.35.38 AM.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 145880 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone From dlhogye at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 08:58:11 2021 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 07:58:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> Message-ID: <1409614004.964.1613059092982@connect.xfinity.com> Contact Greg Solow. Greg changed the passages so that the cooler gets regulated pressure. Unregulated pressure to the cooler can cause failure of the cooler. I've seen this happen to fairly new coolers. The cooler gets changed and then it happens again. Dave H. Greg Solow 831-429-1800 > On 02/10/2021 8:15 PM Alec Buchan via Fot wrote: > > > Looking for a little help locating an oil cooler sandwich plate. I need the kind with the fittings on opposite sides of each other, like this one which I am borrowing. Any insight is appreciated. > > > > Alec Buchan > Bellingham, WA > 1962 TR4 SOVREN #5 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TeriAnn From agb at compsnw.com Thu Feb 11 09:54:31 2021 From: agb at compsnw.com (Alec Buchan) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:54:31 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler Sandwich Plate In-Reply-To: <643007c2-74f6-a7e5-d951-ca85f9af5bab@gmail.com> References: <9a7880cd-c753-7303-fcd4-7476763bed97@compsnw.com> <643007c2-74f6-a7e5-d951-ca85f9af5bab@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08f16c78-a8a2-80ec-e1ba-88052cb83ebd@compsnw.com> Greg is looking for me to see if he has any left. Thank you all. On 2/11/2021 8:31 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > On 2/11/21 5:54 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: >> Greg Solow should be a good source.?? I think he is on the list but >> someone may have his email address.?? If I remember it right, his >> were engineered a little better than some of the more common ones. > > I have one of Greg's plates and have been very happy with it. Before > hand I had one I purchased from Moss and it always seemed to leak and > the fit seemed kinda iffy. > > TeriAnn > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/agb at compsnw.com > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Marcel Van: "Jack Wheeler" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Donderdag 11 februari 2021 21:21:44 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A Hi Marcel. When I sent this email to you I copied the FOT list, thinking others on the list might be interested. For some reason, sometimes when I send things to the FOT list with pictures attached, they bounce back. Not always, but this one did. I have attached the pictures to this email, and would like to share them with the FOT list. Could you please forward this email string, with the pictures to the FOT guys. Thanks. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 4:13:51 PM EST, Jack Wheeler wrote: I started with a 1" steel rod about 2' long. Threaded into one end for a 1/2" bolt and made up a thick steel doughnut just slightly under the diameter of the cam bores in the block (about 1" thick). Then I made a second nylon doughnut sized to just slip inside the bearing. These 2 doughnuts have a 1/2" hole in the center, through which the bolt goes, and screws into the end of the 1" shaft (steel doughnut first, then the nylon one). Then I made up a third doughnut, this one also nylon, with one OD to fit into the bore in the front of the block where the front cam bearing goes, and another OD somewhat larger. This third doughnut holds the bar straight while you drive in the bearing. I will take a [picture and attach. If you are interested in the exact dimensions, I can measure it for you. Cheers. Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 2:33:39 PM EST, wrote: Jack, what kind of driver do you use? I use a threaded rod and pull the bearings in. To keep the bearings straight, I had a cylinder of some 1" long, made on a lathe, with the outer diameter a bit smaller than the outer diameter of the bearing. Over a lenght of some 3mm the diameter of this cylinder is a bit smaller, the same as the inner diameter of the bearings, in order to slide it into the bearing, keeping the bearing straight. When the bearing was not aligned completely right, I bodged it sometimes by making the end of the securing bolt a little smaller :-). This driving tool is working great, but the core plug at the rear of the engine block has to be removed. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "J.C. Hassall" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 9 februari 2021 17:49:08 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Cam Bearings - TR-2 to 4A I've never seen any cam bearings that were solid rings. The Vandervell bearings may look like a complete ring, unless you look real closely and see the clench design. I always installed my own cam bearings. I made my own tool years ago. When installing non-Vandervell bearings, with a straight cut, I used to put a hose clamp around the bearing before I started driving it into the block. This kept the ends of the bearing aligned. As I drove the bearing into the block, it pushed out of the hose clamp. Obviously, before driving the bearing in, you needed to make sure the bearing was properly aligned and the oil holes and the securing bolt holes were properly lined up with the block. Not a difficult job if you have the right tools (driver, hose clamp and a flashlight), and have done it a few times. You can run into a problem if the holes in the bearing are not properly lined up with the holes where the cam bearing securing bolts screw into the block. When you screw the securing bolts in, they may catch part of the bearing, pushing it in. If this happens, the cam won't go in and if you force it you may score the cam. If this happens, you should get a new bearing, and start over. I speak from experience! Jack On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 10:46:43 AM EST, J.C. Hassall wrote: Hey Jack, What a great story! IFF I recall correctly, when I rebuilt my TR4 last time, the cam bearings were complete rings. The machine shop had a rough time aligning the bearing holes with the oiler holes in the block. I'm just curious. tnx -- jim W4BEA On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:20 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: I worked for a large diesel engine manufacturer and Vandervell was a major bearing supplier to us. I was working on a new product introduction team and one day the Vandervell rep was in visiting our purchasing manager. The purchasing manager introduced me to the rep, and during the course of our discussion I shared with him the fact that I was racing a TR-4 at the time. I had recently experienced problems getting Vandervell cam bearings and asked him about the status of bearing supply for the TR engine. He said he would look into it. A few weeks later, our purchasing manager walked into my office with a big box and said, "this is for you". He told me that the Vandervell rep had gone back to the UK and had one of his materials managers gather all of the TR-2/4 cam bearings from all of their major warehouses in the UK, and sent them to me. There were over 100 bearings. Since they were all the wide bearings, I had about a third of them cut down to the width of the narrow bearing. To make sure the oil holes lined up with the holes in the block, the machine shop had to cut an equal amount off each side of the bearing to get the appropriate width. Where is all this going? Well, I changed the cam bearings (because I had them) every time I rebuilt an engine, which was about every 4 races. For whatever reason, I kept a number of the used bearings with 4 race weekends on them (or less). I have a total of 17 wide bearings, plus one new wide AE bearing, and 9 narrow bearings, or about 9 sets. I don't know if anyone is interested in running used bearings in your race engines, but if you are, I am offering them to anyone on the list for the price of the shipping cost. The wear in these bearings is visible (see pictures), but barely perceptible when you run your finger over the areas of wear. About what you would expect after 3 or 4 pace weekends. What is the benefit of Vandervell cam bearings? The AE or all the other bearings that are on the market today (to my knowledge) have a straight split in the bearing, which can result in the ends of the bearing becoming misaligned. The Vandervell bearing has a design that looks like a jigsaw puzzle piece, where the ends of the bearing are clenched together, preventing misalignment. In the third picture attached I tried to get a good shot of this feature. If anyone is interested in one or more sets of these bearings, let me know how many you want. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhassall at gmail.com ] -- jim W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Cam Bearing Tool.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2951189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 14:35:10 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:35:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A few Decals & Posters Available Message-ID: <1AD96504-A95D-4BEE-B999-BCEA5AE59F46@gmail.com> It?s winter and I am sorting through stuff. Need to get shed of miscellaneous. Small FOT Decal. 2 for $10 Large Decal. 1 for $15.00 Poster 2020. $12.50. Extremely Collectible. 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Feb 14 09:07:21 2021 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:07:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bill Dentinger. RIP. AND the 25th Anniversary of the FOT List References: <304646FB-0C5C-45DB-877F-F45442DCD019.ref@cs.com> Message-ID: <304646FB-0C5C-45DB-877F-F45442DCD019@cs.com> FOT: I have had a couple inquiries about doing something for Bill Dentinger. May I suggest: That someone contact VSCDA regarding doing something at GRATTAN this year? At the same time, we could do some kind of 25th Anniversary thing for the FOT, along with issuing a 25th Anniversary T-Shirt. There?s lots of good reasons why we should do this. It will require someone to step forward to take a leadership role. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 09:26:37 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:26:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Decals and Posters. And a little bit about the future. Message-ID: <94A38729-E7DD-436E-95D4-0F6B2E68F51C@gmail.com> The demand has exceeded the supply. I will reluctantly pursue the cost of another run. Please stand by. I will get the costs as soon as I can. If someone else would like to volunteer to do this, please contact me personally. It is really great that we have this level of interest. It certainly is a group we can be proud of. Curt Johnston is working diligently on the next Kastner Cup at Portland. Henry Frye is working hard to revamp the FOT Website. I am working on the British Sports Car Museum and Hall of Fame. The FOT is and will be prominently represented there. Best Regards to everyone. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Feb 14 09:58:44 2021 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 16:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> Morning Chuck, Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. R Totten'64 Spit GT? autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Greg Hilyer via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! Thanks again for doing this Chuck... They?re ?the bomb?. Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Sun Feb 14 10:48:14 2021 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1400914885.1623968.1613321924762@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! > On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: > > ? > Morning Chuck, > > Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. > > > R Totten > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Hilyer via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm > Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! > > Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! > Thanks again for doing this Chuck... > They?re ?the bomb?. > Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Feb 14 12:01:28 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> Me too! Thanks Chuck!! > On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: > > ? > > Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Morning Chuck, >> >> Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. >> >> >> R Totten >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Hilyer via Fot >> To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com >> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm >> Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! >> >> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! >> Thanks again for doing this Chuck... >> They?re ?the bomb?. >> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >> Albuquerque NM >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Feb 14 15:18:17 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 17:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> References: <185AC264-AFF2-463B-8E82-F7525FD51262@optonline.net> Message-ID: <8B1DB8B6-C98A-4EBB-B006-5F0D423E67EA@aol.com> Mine arrived a few days ago. (If I wear it during the winter, it won?t seem as bright). Looks good- I?ll be glad to ?sport the colors? during race season! Rick McCurdy > On Feb 14, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Alfetta95 via Fot wrote: > > ? > Me too! > > Thanks Chuck!! > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> >> Got mine yesterday too. Looks great! Thanks!!! >> >>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 12:05, Bob Totten via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Morning Chuck, >>> >>> Got my Kastner Shirts and they look great, thanks for your efforts. >>> >>> >>> R Totten >>> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Greg Hilyer via Fot >>> To: fot at autox.team.net; chasgee22 at gmail.com >>> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 8:25 pm >>> Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! >>> >>> Got my shirts today. I had forgotten how white, white can be! >>> Thanks again for doing this Chuck... >>> They?re ?the bomb?. >>> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer >>> Albuquerque NM >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sun Feb 14 17:57:19 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1974 Solo Nationals in a '62 TR3B References: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231@mail.yahoo.com> Thought you guys might enjoy this video that I finally managed to post on you tube.Enjoy by clicking on the link.https://youtu.be/NADhqTOcKoQ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 14 20:43:41 2021 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:43:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Explosive Tee! In-Reply-To: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> References: <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A.ref@yahoo.com> <26F9A53E-5B4E-4B54-AC11-0C358AAD519A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yikes!? I think I haven't sent my money yet, better find? the email with the details. Recently opened a post office box again, don't want to these shirts to walk off my porch like the 2020 Kastner Cup shirts did. mjb. From fmccjr at aol.com Sun Feb 14 21:07:36 2021 From: fmccjr at aol.com (Rick McCurdy) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 23:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1974 Solo Nationals in a '62 TR3B In-Reply-To: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2119678519.1372319.1613350639231@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> Very cool, Phil! Belated (very) congrats! (Nothing like a red Tr3 to make ones day??) R McCurdy > On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:12 PM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thought you guys might enjoy this video that I finally managed to post on you tube. > Enjoy by clicking on the link. > https://youtu.be/NADhqTOcKoQ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 15 02:40:05 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 10:40:05 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels Message-ID: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 04:43:44 2021 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels In-Reply-To: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> References: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Chris, VTO wheels has what I think you are looking for; we?ve had good luck with their 8 spoke design, very robust for racing. They list a 4 spoke LeMans pattern in 15x6. ?Is this the right one?? Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service | | | Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service | | | 1961-1965? | | | 1961-1965 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 | | | Good luck!Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Guys, ? I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. ? Cheers Chris ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 15 05:55:00 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 07:55:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1974 Solo Nationals in a '62 TR3B In-Reply-To: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> References: <73B3F66C-EC64-4A13-B61E-2096C1912FF6@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Rick; Lots of fond memories of that car! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:07 PM, Rick McCurdy wrote: > > ? > Very cool, Phil! Belated (very) congrats! > (Nothing like a red Tr3 to make ones day??) > > R McCurdy > >>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:12 PM, vfracing--- via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? >> Thought you guys might enjoy this video that I finally managed to post on you tube. >> Enjoy by clicking on the link. >> https://youtu.be/NADhqTOcKoQ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fmccjr at aol.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 124756 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Feb 15 06:06:51 2021 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:06:51 +0100 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels In-Reply-To: <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> Hi David, thank you for the link. An order failed because of shipping terms. I need to check with them how the get the wheels to Germany. Cheers Chris Von: David Gott Gesendet: Montag, 15. Februar 2021 12:44 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels Hi Chris, VTO wheels has what I think you are looking for; we?ve had good luck with their 8 spoke design, very robust for racing. They list a 4 spoke LeMans pattern in 15x6. Is this the right one? Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service 1961-1965 1961-1965 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 Good luck! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot > wrote: Hi Guys, I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Feb 15 07:11:46 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:11:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries Message-ID: Who's making a good battery these days? I used to always go with the Sears Die-Hards. They lasted me 10 years and could sit in the GT6 all winter and then fire right up in the spring. What's a good one now? Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 07:29:57 2021 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. Ralph On Monday, February 15, 2021, 08:16:08 AM CST, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Who?s making a good battery these days? ? I used to always go with the Sears Die-Hards.? They lasted me 10 years and could sit in the GT6 all winter and then fire right up in the spring. ? What?s a good one now? ? Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 09:18:21 2021 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:18:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: > I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A > bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Feb 15 10:04:20 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:04:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> TeriAnn, BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. Paul Ricco > On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: > > On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. > I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. > > For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. > > TeriAnn > > -- > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada > 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write > > Because the world beckons and life waits for no one > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Feb 15 10:09:44 2021 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 17:09:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> References: <2058605550.1478709.1613399397046@mail.yahoo.com> , <86C4CB36-2900-476E-8837-B600509D367C@att.net> Message-ID: I believe Interstate is owned by Yuasa. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: ? TeriAnn, BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. Paul Ricco On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot > wrote: On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 11:54:37 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 18:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Anyone Building Headers? References: <807596373.1540804.1613415277037.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <807596373.1540804.1613415277037@mail.yahoo.com> Anyone interested in making their own headers?? When I was racing the TR-4, I used headers from a company called York.? I think they were in Pennsylvania, and they worked well.? A few years ago, my thoughts about making headers from scratch changed.? I had a friend build a set of headers for my Factory Five Cobra with a 351 Cleveland bored & stroked to 392.? They were beautiful.? He used stainless steel tubing and maintained the diameter of the tubing through the bends.? I took them up and had them powder coated and they looked as good as any professionally built headers. Anyway, I found a set of header plates (the plates that bolt up to the cylinder head) for a 4 cylinder TR high port cylinder head.? These appear to be very good quality.? The exhaust ports have tubing coming out about 2" from the plates.? The welds are very professional, and look like they would line up well with the ports on a competition head. I'll attach one photo to this email and will send another photo separately (I've had trouble sending more than one photo at a time). If anyone is interested in these plates, let me know.? They are free, just pay the shipping. Thanks, Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 Send Fot mailing list submissions to fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Feb 15 12:32:37 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:32:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Anyone Building Headers? Message-ID: Hi Jack I?d love to have a go at making a side exit system for my rally car - are you willing to ship to me in the UK . Happy to foot the bill of course! Regards Tony Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2021, at 19:02, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: ?Anyone interested in making their own headers? When I was racing the TR-4, I used headers from a company called York. I think they were in Pennsylvania, and they worked well. A few years ago, my thoughts about making headers from scratch changed. I had a friend build a set of headers for my Factory Five Cobra with a 351 Cleveland bored & stroked to 392. They were beautiful. He used stainless steel tubing and maintained the diameter of the tubing through the bends. I took them up and had them powder coated and they looked as good as any professionally built headers. Anyway, I found a set of header plates (the plates that bolt up to the cylinder head) for a 4 cylinder TR high port cylinder head. These appear to be very good quality. The exhaust ports have tubing coming out about 2" from the plates. The welds are very professional, and look like they would line up well with the ports on a competition head. I'll attach one photo to this email and will send another photo separately (I've had trouble sending more than one photo at a time). If anyone is interested in these plates, let me know. They are free, just pay the shipping. Thanks, Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony.sheach at live.co.uk From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Feb 15 12:33:44 2021 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:33:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] This car ! Message-ID: [cid:F662A34B-395A-46E5-B048-1ECADF6633BA] Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 13:19:28 2021 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 20:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> References: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <699820094.890372.1613420368565@mail.yahoo.com> Hi John,Agreed. ?VTO makes both the 4 spoke lemans and 8 spoke mini lights. ?If you scroll enough you?ll find the Lemans. ?But, I haven?t tried the Lemans, only the mini light knock?offs from VTO, that?s all I was trying to say! Thanks,Dave Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, February 15, 2021, 2:25 PM, John Davies via Fot wrote: Those "8-spoke" wheels are NOT "Le Mans" wheels!? They are usually called "Minilites" as so many Minis had them! The Le Mans Spitfires had wheels like these. https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/triumph-spitfire-l e-mans-wheels.845557/ Jigsaw Racing used to sell them, but they have closed down recently due to Mark Field's health.? He still posts on Facebook and has been selling off stock - he might have some left!? Or know where to get them. John -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulricco at att.net Mon Feb 15 13:30:41 2021 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:30:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 In-Reply-To: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> References: <058b01d703d0$5c0c4d70$1424e850$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Minilite is open and selling wheels out of the UK. They have wheels for the TR?s. The guy running the sales department owns TR?s. He understands all sizing, backspace and offsets that our cars run. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2021, at 1:36 PM, John Davies via Fot wrote: > > ?Those "8-spoke" wheels are NOT "Le Mans" wheels! They are usually called > "Minilites" as so many Minis had them! > > The Le Mans Spitfires had wheels like these. > https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/spitfire-and-gt6-forum.8/triumph-spitfire-l > e-mans-wheels.845557/ > Jigsaw Racing used to sell them, but they have closed down recently due to > Mark Field's health. He still posts on Facebook and has been selling off > stock - he might have some left! Or know where to get them. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of > fot-request at autox.team.net > Sent: 15 February 2021 18:56 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Fot Digest, Vol 104, Issue 52 > > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net > > From philhyer at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 13:32:24 2021 From: philhyer at gmail.com (Phil Hyer) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:32:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels In-Reply-To: <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> References: <002d01d7037e$8ab0bc80$a0123580$@gmail.com> <222163269.1817224.1613389424340@mail.yahoo.com> <008701d7039b$6d3c46c0$47b4d440$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris / FOT, I'm looking for 1 original A R Le Mans wheel 15 x 6 (with 4" backspacing) to complete a set. Let me know if anyone runs across one. Phil Hyer (954) 801-6694 On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 8:08 AM Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > Hi David, > > > > thank you for the link. > > An order failed because of shipping terms. > > I need to check with them how the get the wheels to Germany. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* David Gott > *Gesendet:* Montag, 15. Februar 2021 12:44 > *An:* tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] ARE Le Mans Type wheels > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > VTO wheels has what I think you are looking for; we?ve had good luck with > their 8 spoke design, very robust for racing. > > > > They list a 4 spoke LeMans pattern in 15x6. Is this the right one? Welcome > to VTO Wheels - Service > > > Welcome to VTO Wheels - Service > > > > > > > > 1961-1965 > > > 1961-1965 > > 1961-1965 - 1961-1965 Triumph TR4 Wheel Fitment Wheel SizeBolt > PatternOffsetLug NutVTO Wheels Hub > BoreNotes15x64x114.3mm3mm+7/16-2073.1mm-15x74x1 > > > > Good luck! > > Dave Gott > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, February 15, 2021, 4:40 AM, Chris Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > I?m searching for 6? x 15? ARE Le Mans wheels for my Triumph. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/philhyer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <1196528813.1771958.1613492183732.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1196528813.1771958.1613492183732@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I picked up some stuff from a guy who lost interest in a project and one of the items is a pair of 40DCOE 2 carbs I'm running the 40DCOE 151's, so these are of no interest to me at this time. It looks like they were probably jetted for a TR3/4 engine at one point, not sure. They have 32 mm chokes and there were some F15 emulsion tubes in the pile They aren't perfect, but they can be made whole fairly easily. Ping me off list if you have any interest - I'd consider even swaps for serviceable 40DCOE 151's. Regards,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Feb 16 12:13:36 2021 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:13:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Street car batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CFB5321-66FA-408A-86D0-9F48CB0B2CBE@wi.rr.com> Johnson Controls makes Interstate, Die Hard and Costco Kirkland batteries. They are the largest manufacturer of batteries in the USA followed by Exide and East Penn. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2021, at 11:10 AM, John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > > ? I believe Interstate is owned by Yuasa. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot wrote: >>> >> ? TeriAnn, >> >> BTW- Your book looks great. We look forward to receiving our copy. >> >> We have had good luck with Interstate as well. Very good batteries. Often used on big trucks and vehicles that need to start under bad conditions. >> >> Truthfully, most auto manufactures put very high quality batteries in new cars. Interstate is also a very high quality battery and they are an OEM supplier for some makes. >> >> If you think about it, most new car batteries last many years without trouble. Then when the original battery goes, people put in aftermarket batteries and most of them do not last very long. I have 7 year OEM old batteries in my diesel truck and it starts in below zero weather with no issues. In fact it started on a 10 degree below zero day last week after sitting out for a month without being run. No issues. We have tested them every fall for the last 3 years and they still test good. There are a lot reasons for this that I will not bore everyone with. The bottom line is that not all batteries are made the same and most OEM batteries are built to a high specification. >> >> Another option for people, if you know what size that you need, would be go to a GM dealer and buy a high quality battery from them. >> >> It is just another option for people. I have over 35 years experience in the automotive industry and there have been many tech bulletins written on this subject and why most aftermarket batteries do not last as long. Interstate excluded from the list that do not last well. They are a good battery. >> >> Paul Ricco >> >>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 10:18 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/15/21 7:29 AM, ralph hansen via Fot wrote: >>>> I've been using Optima's with great success for about 25 yrs now. A bit pricey, last much longer, got 10 yrs out of 1 and worry free. >>> I have been using several Optima yellow tops for a second battery. The ones I've had would go bad over a winter of often teen nights. Come spring I would go to my local NAPA, they would test it and replace it for free. last time they said this was my last free battery (I think it has been 6 or 7 now). They just don't seem to like being frozen for a few months at a time. But if you have warmer weather the Optima might work well for you. >>> >>> For a starting battery, I've had good luck with interstate. >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> >>> -- >>> Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada >>> 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write >>> >>> Because the world beckons and life waits for no one >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/paulricco at att.net >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We help people file for bankruptcy relief under the federal Bankruptcy Code. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 12907 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sat Feb 20 05:33:13 2021 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Redmond) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 07:33:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] RIP Bruce Meyers Message-ID: <623718513.1671741.1613824393244@mymail.optimum.net> Not quite Triumph related. Definitely car related. https://www.autoweek.com/news/people/a35567136/bruce-meyers-obit/?fbclid=IwAR1Do1c0dGJ3UEcsyGB1DoQ9p9Bqknp4bfRutKxzOMNaJ1t5KrxUSuabXQY Iconic Car. Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pethier7 at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:46:00 2021 From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 21:46:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RIP Bruce Meyers In-Reply-To: <623718513.1671741.1613824393244@mymail.optimum.net> References: <623718513.1671741.1613824393244@mymail.optimum.net> Message-ID: My uncle Lloyd Ethier died on the Bunker Hill. "We have all come to where we are as the result of considerable meandering" - Bruce Myers On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 6:33 AM Redmond via Fot wrote: > Not quite Triumph related. Definitely car related. > > > https://www.autoweek.com/news/people/a35567136/bruce-meyers-obit/?fbclid=IwAR1Do1c0dGJ3UEcsyGB1DoQ9p9Bqknp4bfRutKxzOMNaJ1t5KrxUSuabXQY > > Iconic Car. > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pethier at comcast.net > > > -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Feb 24 10:58:59 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:58:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Low port manifold gaskets References: <1610069A-3624-4090-B63C-71E9E01CE671.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <1610069A-3624-4090-B63C-71E9E01CE671@aol.com> ?A stack of 14 old but unused low port manifold gaskets. I picked these up in haste at a flea market years ago. Yours for packing and postage. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 739707 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From sjanzen at me.com Wed Feb 24 11:02:11 2021 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 13:02:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 piston compression height Message-ID: <083D62DA-CC93-4F67-917E-22E6E0EAD89D@me.com> I need to order some pistons - probably Wiseco or Venolia - for my TR6. I?ve got specs for the GT6 but not the TR6. Does anyone know the comp height for the TR6 pistons, and/or have a spec sheet from one of the above manufacturers that they can share? I?ll be using flat top pistons, stock rods, running about 10:1 compression. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 15:11:56 2021 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Triumph TR6 piston compression height In-Reply-To: <083D62DA-CC93-4F67-917E-22E6E0EAD89D@me.com> References: <083D62DA-CC93-4F67-917E-22E6E0EAD89D@me.com> Message-ID: <998065719.1735475.1614204716629@mail.yahoo.com> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 12:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: I need to order some pistons - probably Wiseco or Venolia - for my TR6. ?I?ve got specs for the GT6 but not the TR6. 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Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 26 08:34:26 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:34:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com Message-ID: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. Cheers Henry From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 08:39:34 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 09:39:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Thank you Henry......the FOT is really alive and well. And very well self policed, thankfully. Not bad for a non-organization. Everyone has elevated the importance and image of our Marque. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 26, 2021, at 9:35 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:01:18 2021 From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:01:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Very nice. Thank you. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad > On Feb 26, 2021, at 9:35 AM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com > > From terrysopher at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 09:53:06 2021 From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Henry - Just checked it out - Nice! Thanks, Terry > On Feb 26, 2021, at 10:35, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > ?The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/terrysopher at gmail.com > > From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Feb 26 11:03:18 2021 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:03:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com Message-ID: <1841747409.3317.1614362601566@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The last picture in the TR3 gallery .... last car is Harkness Here's a better solo picture of me than the one you have. That one has pretty awful resolution. This one not only has better resolution but it also has my FV Teammate behind me. Ah, the beauty of torque. And, here's a pic of Bob Wismer Mike -----Original Message----- >From: yellow04 via Fot >Sent: Feb 26, 2021 10:34 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com > >The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. >www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would >appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > >Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point >it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot >how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I >set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when >Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > >The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size >screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to >update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link >shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches >on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's >email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > >Cheers > >Henry >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Wismer.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 56678 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 9:34 AM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. > www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would > appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point > it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot > how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I > set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when > Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size > screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to > update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link > shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches > on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's > email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ah, the beauty of torque. > > And, here's a pic of Bob Wismer > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: yellow04 via Fot > >Sent: Feb 26, 2021 10:34 AM > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com > > > >The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. > >www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would > >appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > > >Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point > >it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot > >how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I > >set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when > >Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > > >The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size > >screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to > >update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link > >shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches > >on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's > >email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > > >Cheers > > > >Henry > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/emanteno at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Truthfully, I forgot how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website...The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link shortly when ready for submissions. 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Name: _I9I0459.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1084899 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tomstrange5 at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 12:56:05 2021 From: tomstrange5 at gmail.com (tom strange) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:56:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Announcing the new fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> References: <7b606d237df28bd0b271dea0996ef468@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: Looks great! Thanks for all the work done, (and yet to come)!!! Tom #4 white spit On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 10:35 AM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > The long overdue website refresh has been completed and is online. > www.fot-racing.com If anybody sees any blatant errors, I would > appreciate you bringing them to my attention. > > Yes, there is some new stuff thrown in here and there, but at this point > it is primarily a rehash of all the old content. Truthfully, I forgot > how much very cool content we had there, it was fun revisiting it as I > set it up in the new format. Hard to believe it was September, 2000 when > Joe and Mordy asked me to push the buttons on the website... > > The new site is now mobile-friendly, it can easily be viewed on any size > screen. For me, the biggest plus is new format makes it much simpler to > update. New content will be added as time permits, we will post a link > shortly when ready for submissions. I am putting the finishing touches > on a website for uploading files, so we will not be flooding Mark's > email server (and everybody's inboxes) with pictures. > > Cheers > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tomstrange5 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 26 16:06:39 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:06:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com Message-ID: If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different categories, so stay tuned! Again, the place to upload your picture is here... ---> www.ccfot.com <--- PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. Cheers From vfracing at aol.com Fri Feb 26 19:35:10 2021 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 02:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1354966609.226120.1614393310287@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks! ?Your efforts much appreciated.This looks like a great site!?Have uploaded an unusual TR racing photo.Blurry at speed, but still interesting.Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2021 6:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different categories, so stay tuned! Again, the place to upload your picture is here... ? --->? www.ccfot.com? <--- PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. Cheers _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 22:39:54 2021 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 21:39:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SoCal E-Ticket racers, Looks like at minimum, some updated images may be of value on the new FOT website, if all are good, I will upload one of my fairly current images of your cars. No go? Let me know! Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 3:07 PM yellow04 via Fot wrote: > If you would like a picture of your Triumph powered race car posted to > our website, fot-racing.com, we are accepting submissions now. PLEASE DO > NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL attaching your pictures! > > At this point, we are looking for pictures for the Triumph Race Car > pages. Send the best shot you have of your race car, preferably on > track. In the future we will be looking for additional content, but I am > trying to manage the submission process in phases. We are really light > on 6 cylinder race cars, you GT6 and TR6 folks need to step up here! > Specials as well, a race car with a Triumph engine. > > If you name the file as your name, I can easily caption the picture. If > not and I don't know who you are, no caption! I set up a website to > submit your pictures on, it should be pretty self-explanatory. Go to > www.ccfot.com and follow the instructions. > > In the near future the plan is to be asking for submissions in different > categories, so stay tuned! > > Again, the place to upload your picture is here... > > ---> www.ccfot.com <--- > > PS, the response to the new website has been positive, thanks for the > kudos. Also, please be patient! I'll get to everybody as soon as I can. > > Cheers > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Feb 27 05:05:37 2021 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 07:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Submit your race car pictures for fot-racing.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a team and event photos page where photos like the one Brad is talking about will go. At this point the E-Ticket and TxTriumph teams have galleries, albeit the vast majority of of the images are old. I think we can do some neat stuff with that page, expect a call for pictures like the one Brad is talking about soon. We have been getting some really, really good submissions. Exciting stuff. Here are a couple of outstanding examples, first one happens to be of our most recent Kastner Cup winner, Mike Munson: https://fot-racing.com/triumph-race-cars/tr5-tr250-tr6/b1963d89-9f4f-452c-b920-f80bd4d466f1/ Or Chris Marx redefining the concept of "4 off": https://fot-racing.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/e0.jpg - The file uploading process seems to be working well, so far I have not had to chase anybody down for "who is this", I appreciate that. Keep those pictures coming, our new website software makes it fast and easy for adding new content. On 2021-02-27 00:39, Brad Eells wrote: > SoCal E-Ticket racers, > > Looks like at minimum, some updated images may be of value on the new > FOT website, if all are good, I will upload one of my fairly current > images of your cars. > > No go? Let me know! From chasgee22 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:52:15 2021 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 18:52:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VARA high desert challenge Message-ID: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> Hello all, Who?s going? I just signed up with the Spitfire. Going to try and run every race this year! Chuck From alanb at alanberrydesign.com Sat Feb 27 22:07:41 2021 From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:07:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] VARA high desert challenge In-Reply-To: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> References: <8D05B125-1EA4-44A3-92F1-C51F594514BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: I plan to be there in the silver Spit 1300 that I will rent from Joe Siam of Checkered Flag Racing. Haven't signed up yet but just got back in town and will try to enter tomorrow. On Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 6:52 PM Chuck Gee via Fot wrote: > Hello all, > > Who?s going? I just signed up with the Spitfire. Going to try and run > every race this year! > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alanb at alanberrydesign.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sun Feb 28 06:09:36 2021 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 13:09:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Who's that on pole? Message-ID: Just got my invitation to the SCCA Super Tour Cumberland Classic event. The cover photo caught my eye. Is it just me or is that Mr. Sam Halkias taking the green on pole? [Image] Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All great stuff and it's on the event's page: https://fot-racing.com/fot-feature-events/mid-ohio-1992/ From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Feb 28 11:09:01 2021 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:09:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <8a1536064923c10dc5b592e206736dfc@tr4racer.com> References: <8a1536064923c10dc5b592e206736dfc@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: I was there, as a spectator. If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! Good times. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! 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URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 11:23:09 2021 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: References: <8a1536064923c10dc5b592e206736dfc@tr4racer.com> Message-ID: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> I was there as well.? That was when I was still racing my TR-4 in SCCA.? Charles Runyan had asked me to bring my car over and put it on display at The Roadster Factory tent.? I think TRF helped sponsor the event.? I towed my car over with my race van and brought my Harley along in the back of the van.? Once I dropped the race car off at the TRF tent, I parked my van & trailer and spent the rest of the weekend riding around on my Harley.? Great fun.? Great memories. Jack On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 1:10:07 PM EST, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: I was there, as a spectator.? If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! ? Good times. ? Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: yellow04 via Fot Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio ? A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! All great stuff and it's on the event's page: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffot-racing.com%2Ffot-feature-events%2Fmid-ohio-1992%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690200076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2cWY2G56x05pmtgzsDk8ZWob%2Bje3D8GcRg2A21QnWZE%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0YscLb9IaK9hBM4CPUXIv1kfMYEgjgP8cK43yuvlQ%2BM%3D&reserved=0 Donate: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Yky1S01gnBeYzlsDgJyK8Cd8EMmGdlCr7fEAmntI6SU%3D&reserved=0 Archive: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=zeALenM0RWp0tIidrJC7h6%2F%2BV9w7%2B55mUu08clGVrXc%3D&reserved=0https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=p5he%2FrT040JJZDPr%2Fa6%2Bd9ilzvKc5ekPiK06fwyI%2FYY%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe/Manage: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ftlizzard%40msn.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Uo4l56jbo%2B3LRdWTmTKbXU2uUjR%2FX1n4DxfQMxqUI%2Bk%3D&reserved=0 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 11:29:42 2021 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:29:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> References: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mid-Ohio was the beginning of something BIG for Triumphs. Tom Householder and some WPTA guys need to get serious credit for this. There were several people that attended that influenced them to join the vintage racing scene. The FOT and the Kastner Cup has built on that event. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 28, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I was there as well. That was when I was still racing my TR-4 in SCCA. Charles Runyan had asked me to bring my car over and put it on display at The Roadster Factory tent. I think TRF helped sponsor the event. I towed my car over with my race van and brought my Harley along in the back of the van. Once I dropped the race car off at the TRF tent, I parked my van & trailer and spent the rest of the weekend riding around on my Harley. Great fun. Great memories. > > Jack > > On Sunday, February 28, 2021, 1:10:07 PM EST, Terry Stetler via Fot wrote: > > > I was there, as a spectator. If you look real carefully, you can see me in my BRG TR3 with Revolution wheels and only front over riders (no bumper) pulling out on track for the parade laps. > > As we were waiting to go on track, Bob Tullius walked by and said he liked how I had my car set up! > > > > Good times. > > > > Terry Stetler > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: yellow04 via Fot > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:24 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio > > > > A while back we had a discussion about the 1992 Mid-Ohio event, and > folks shared great memories and more. Dan Styduhar shared some video he > took while attending the 1992 Mid-Ohio event. He just sent us a bunch of > pictures taken that weekend to compliment the video. Thanks Dan! > > All great stuff and it's on the event's page: > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffot-racing.com%2Ffot-feature-events%2Fmid-ohio-1992%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690200076%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2cWY2G56x05pmtgzsDk8ZWob%2Bje3D8GcRg2A21QnWZE%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0YscLb9IaK9hBM4CPUXIv1kfMYEgjgP8cK43yuvlQ%2BM%3D&reserved=0 > > Donate: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Yky1S01gnBeYzlsDgJyK8Cd8EMmGdlCr7fEAmntI6SU%3D&reserved=0 > Archive: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=zeALenM0RWp0tIidrJC7h6%2F%2BV9w7%2B55mUu08clGVrXc%3D&reserved=0 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=p5he%2FrT040JJZDPr%2Fa6%2Bd9ilzvKc5ekPiK06fwyI%2FYY%3D&reserved=0 > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ftlizzard%40msn.com&data=04%7C01%7C%7C597a539079fe4ce8b75a08d8dbfcf000%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637501226690210072%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Uo4l56jbo%2B3LRdWTmTKbXU2uUjR%2FX1n4DxfQMxqUI%2Bk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walje at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 28 11:54:40 2021 From: walje at sbcglobal.net (WALJE) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Radius arm brackets References: <632475118.1302066.1614538480204.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <632475118.1302066.1614538480204@mail.yahoo.com> I am in need of a pair (L & R) front radius arm brackets for a 68 GT6 MK1.? If anyone has a pair they could part with please contact me. Thanks Dennis Walje -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Sun Feb 28 12:54:11 2021 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 13:54:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The infamous 1992 event at Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: References: <985394128.567162.1614536589290@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I attended 1992 as a corner worker. I drove out in my TR6 and arrived Thursday early afternoon. I was immediately assigned to a corner. I worked a different corner every day including the Keyhole. On Sunday, I was assigned to Corner 1 so that I would be able to do the street car parade lap from the access road by the station. I roamed the paddock after the racing was finished each day, and it was there that I met Joe Alexander in the shiny and fresh #97. Good times for sure. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hankgiffin at cox.net Sun Feb 28 14:33:09 2021 From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 16:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Single Post Lift? Message-ID: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> FoTs, there was a dialogue a while ago about movable single post lifts. I thought I saved it, but can't find. Can anyone point me to a site or company? Thanks, Hank Hank Giffin 757-375-1491 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 16:38:44 2021 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 18:38:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Single Post Lift? In-Reply-To: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> References: <2db001d70e19$50bace30$f2306a90$@cox.net> Message-ID: Try Bend Pack (Pak?) They make a nice portable lift. Only rises about 3 feet though. I have one and for certain jobs it's great. Cheers, Bill On 2/28/2021 4:33 PM, Henry Giffin via Fot wrote: > > FoTs, there was a dialogue a while ago about movable single post > lifts. I thought I saved it, but can???t find.??? Can anyone point me to a > site or company???? Thanks, Hank > > Hank Giffin > > 757-375-1491 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: