From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 06:20:44 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 08:20:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GoPro Questions
In-Reply-To: <084401d6800f$ab45ee40$01d1cac0$@hot-tr6.com>
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Walter, I use the GoPro remote to start both cameras at once. To combine
the video I use Race Render from HPTuners. They have a free, mostly full
functionality, version for download from their site. I upgraded to the $40
for life version, mostly to remove their logo from my vids. Very easy to
use software in the editor. It lets you sync the two videos together, do a
picture in picture, side by side, edit the start and finish, set audio
levels etc. Once the editing is done, you select the output format (click a
box), ie, lower resolution for Youtube, full 4K for you Big Screen TV,
small screen to watch on a phone or PC.
Once you get this stuff worked out, go to the next level and get their free
phone app (Track Addict) and add GPS based lap times, Gforce and
speedo data to it as well (for another day).

Main Menu, select one of these templates and then it will guide you through
creating the video.
[image: image.png]

  One tip, if you use picture in picture and put the rear view in a small
box so it looks like it's in your mirror, use the flip mode (Horizontal) so
cars "in the mirror" coming up on the right enter the front camera view on
the right as well.
[image: image.png]

NFI, just a happy user.
http://racerender.com/Products/index.html

mike h

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:26 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8
> Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use?
>
> Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards
> while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi
> record then play back
>
> Via a split screen?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Walter Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  1 07:53:59 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:53:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GoPro Questions
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I also do what Mike does. ? But you have a bonus, Walter! ? That GoPro 8 will have all the telemetry built in. ? The RaceRender software will pull the data from the file and display a track map, speed, Gforce, lap times, etc. ? You?ll get to create an output like I have below off your setup, using the Racerender software, and playing a bit with data templates. They have plenty out of the box that makes it easy, too.
https://youtu.be/7r-C56tGTs8?

(I now need to read John Linneys site to go set up my cameras better!!!)
Hope that helps too!
Dave Gott
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 8:22 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Walter, I use the GoPro remote to start both cameras at once. To combine the video I use Race Render from HPTuners. They have a free, mostly full functionality, version for download from their site. I upgraded to the $40 for life version, mostly to remove their logo from my vids. Very easy to use software in the editor. It lets you sync the two videos together, do a picture in picture, side by side, edit the start and finish, set audio levels etc. Once the editing is done, you select the output format (click a box), ie, lower resolution for Youtube, full 4K for you Big Screen TV, small screen to watch on a phone or PC.Once you get this stuff worked out, go to the next level and get their free phone app (Track Addict) and add GPS based lap times, Gforce and speedo?data to it as well (for another day).

Main Menu, select one of these templates and then it will guide you through creating the video.

? One tip, if you use picture in picture and put the rear view in a small box so it looks like it's in your mirror, use the flip mode (Horizontal) so cars "in the mirror" coming up on the right enter the front camera view on the right as well.?


NFI, just a happy user.http://racerender.com/Products/index.html?
mike h?

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:26 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8 Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use? 

Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi record then play back

Via a split screen?

?

Thanks

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat Sep  5 18:48:48 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:48:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 front bumper bracket, PS
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Guys looking for the front bumper bracket that bolts to the frame and then goes up and supports the back side of the front apron and front bumper bar. We have the drivers side, looking for the passenger side. 

Picture is of the driver side bracket that we do have. 
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Thanks. 

Greg

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Mon Sep  7 19:52:07 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:52:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 front bumper bracket, PS
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Thanks for all the offers folks. There is a bracket in the mail. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Guys looking for the front bumper bracket that bolts to the frame and then goes up and supports the back side of the front apron and front bumper bar. We have the drivers side, looking for the passenger side. 
> 
> Picture is of the driver side bracket that we do have. 
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> 
> Thanks. 
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Thu Sep 10 06:54:34 2020
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:54:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
Message-ID: <DM6PR04MB4540AFCFE6EF01D4D51005EEB4270@DM6PR04MB4540.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)

Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago

Thanks
Mike

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3255 West 26th Street
Erie, PA 16506

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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 06:59:00 2020
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:59:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Mike - there is no miracle route from the east without really adding to the distance.  Your best compromise is to take 80/94 to 294 which loops out into the suburbs and past Ohare before hooking back up with 94. 

Good luck - we?re planning on being there with the Cheetah.  

Brian Garcia

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> I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)
>  
> Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago
>  
> Thanks
> Mike
>  
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Thu Sep 10 07:08:21 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Mike, go up and take the ferry across Lake Michigan. Going anywhere near 
Chicago is the pits (bad pun I guess!) I have a friend who doesn't like 
going to RA because of the Chicago traffic.

Nice being in Erie, isn't it? Close to Pittsburgh/Buffalo/Cleveland but 
no massive traffic. Also Presque Isle; I was there yesterday and it was 
gorgeous.

Have fun and stay safe.

Bill

On 9/10/2020 8:54 AM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote:
>
> I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh 
> (3 trailers)
>
> Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing 
> Chicago
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 3255 West 26^th Street
>
> Erie, PA 16506
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Thu Sep 10 09:14:19 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:14:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Sure. ?From the North. But I don't think it's worth the effort.
Bill Dentinger

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I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)
 
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Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago
 
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Thanks
 
Mike
 
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 09:24:28 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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 I've lived in the area at the IL/WI border just west of 94 all my adult life - I have never found a good way to miss the mess - take I80 west to I294 bypass (tollway) heading to WI - if you catch the time right you'll make pretty good time - the worst will be on I80 between I65 and I294, esp late in the afternoon, early evening - next would be around I290 to I94 when on I294 esp during the late afternoon early evening - fortunately with the bug traffic has been lighter than usual - I currently have no idea on any of the construction zones now
Ralph
    On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:15:38 AM CDT, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Sure. ?From the North. But I don't think it's worth the effort.
Bill Dentinger

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I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)
 
 ?
 
Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago
 
 ?
 
Thanks
 
Mike
 
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Michael T. Moore, CPA
 
3255 West 26th Street
 
Erie, PA 16506
 
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Fri Sep 11 06:38:04 2020
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:38:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chicago route
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Thanks for all the advice

Thanks
Mike

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Sep 11 13:43:24 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:43:24 +1000
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
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greetings folks, does anyone have any experiences ( positive or negative)
with LED lamp inserts for our cars sold by BRITTRIX in the USA

thanks, Terry O'Beirne , Australia
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From chip at theukmotorsports.com  Fri Sep 11 14:08:32 2020
From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:08:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
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truck lite

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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Sep 11 14:59:05 2020
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:59:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
In-Reply-To: <CABEZ9eELN0sPiD3m+hiSVNqAR0Q5v3mw1=nRYv5EuBWykrb5Bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UW8b0Lk65QiZTbXyunD+aHKuSq=uyV6SVQbHrFX-aTU2kc5g@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CABEZ9eELN0sPiD3m+hiSVNqAR0Q5v3mw1=nRYv5EuBWykrb5Bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE06DC9E-7FA9-4511-B72C-CEE52D6CE08F@mhc-law.com>

We got the ones from Moss USA for the TR3A Racer

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Chip Collingwood via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
truck lite

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:41 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
greetings folks, does anyone have any experiences ( positive or negative) with LED lamp inserts for our cars sold by BRITTRIX in the USA

thanks, Terry O'Beirne , Australia

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Sep 12 15:27:09 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
References: <DM6PR19MB4247E5C1B721BC59C0C096BE9C250@DM6PR19MB4247.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>

Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.

Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.





Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
> 
> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
> 
> Thanks,
> Marc
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 15:54:04 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>
References: <DM6PR19MB4247E5C1B721BC59C0C096BE9C250@DM6PR19MB4247.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>
Message-ID: <47C899D4-0F87-4AE6-9EB8-B356F3EC5B65@ponostyle.com>



> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Well, if he?s going to race it with a specific group he needs to know the regulations and requirements of the group. I?ve made that mistake before. I hope that little hairpin behind his head is just a mockup and not the actual rollbar. That?s another thing he needs to know from the organizing body. Some don?t require much, but in general the requirements for even a special are fairly strict. This is what Peyote?s frame and cage looks like, and yup, there?s a triumph frame under all that. My Ambro is somewhat similar now. 

https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg


> Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
> 
> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>> 
>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 15:56:25 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <47C899D4-0F87-4AE6-9EB8-B356F3EC5B65@ponostyle.com>
References: <DM6PR19MB4247E5C1B721BC59C0C096BE9C250@DM6PR19MB4247.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>
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There?s a few articles on the frame here: https://www.ponostyle.com/1134-2/ <https://www.ponostyle.com/1134-2/>

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Ponostyle <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Well, if he?s going to race it with a specific group he needs to know the regulations and requirements of the group. I?ve made that mistake before. I hope that little hairpin behind his head is just a mockup and not the actual rollbar. That?s another thing he needs to know from the organizing body. Some don?t require much, but in general the requirements for even a special are fairly strict. This is what Peyote?s frame and cage looks like, and yup, there?s a triumph frame under all that. My Ambro is somewhat similar now. 
> 
> https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg <https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg>
> 
> 
>> Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>> 
>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com <http://the-vintage-racer.com/>
>> Gasketinnovations.com <http://gasketinnovations.com/>
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com <mailto:marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>>
>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com <mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com <mailto:alex3rail at gmail.com>>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com <mailto:tipo61 at aol.com>>
>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>> 
>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marc
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>> 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 18:17:04 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>
References: <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CF9EA015-B670-4387-AB4A-760CE028971F@gmail.com>

He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?

CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
> 
> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>> 
>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 18:55:50 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:55:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <CF9EA015-B670-4387-AB4A-760CE028971F@gmail.com>
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Thanks Bob K and Bill B.

It?s a straight axle, but being a special it shouldn?t make any difference.

What brand and style of wheel is one question.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
> 
> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>> 
>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>> 
>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marc
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 19:06:44 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:06:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <ADCE4DD4-6870-4120-B37D-39EACE20045D@gmail.com>
References: <ADCE4DD4-6870-4120-B37D-39EACE20045D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C73BB3F-4F0F-40D0-9311-E707F73A85BE@gmail.com>

Multi-piece wheels are disallowed. Seems to me that personal preference should  rule the day. I would recommend Silverstone copies, but Wolf Racing 8 spokes work well too. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks Bob K and Bill B.
> 
> It?s a straight axle, but being a special it shouldn?t make any difference.
> 
> What brand and style of wheel is one question.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
>> 
>> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>>> 
>>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>>> 
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>>> 
>>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marc
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>> 
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 19:11:52 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 18:11:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations AMBRO PROJECT
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Message-ID: <MWHPR07MB3599EF740A6FA2F068FB65E3B2220@MWHPR07MB3599.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

      
  

 For the ? Goodwood? experience ( slipping- sliding)   , Dunlop L is the only way to go :-)   
  

  
  

  
I Actually think Those bricks - Ahem - Dunlop?s should be mandatory for every car / every class !!
  

  
  
>   
> On Sep 12, 2020 at 5:25 PM,  <Bob Kramer via Fot (mailto:fot at autox.team.net)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?  
>
>   
> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better.   
>   
>
>   
>
>   
> Sent from my iPhone
>   
>
>   
> > On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot  <fot at autox.team.net>  wrote:
> >   
>     
> >   
> > ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.  
> >
> >   
> > Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO    Chassis.        Thank you.
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > <image0.jpeg>
> >   
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > Joe Alexander  
> >   
> > 4505 Donald Dr
> >   
> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> >   
> > The-vintage-racer.com
> >   
> > Gasketinnovations.com
> >   
> > Cell:    319.464.4711
> >   
> >
> >       
> >
> >  Begin forwarded message:
> >   
> >   
> > >   
> > > From:  Marc McGahee  <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
> > >   Date:  September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
> > >   To:  Joe Alexander  <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander  <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio  <tipo61 at aol.com>
> > >   Subject:   Tire and wheel recommendations
> > >   
> > >     
> > >   
> > > ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
> > >   
> > >   Thanks,
> > >   Marc       _______________________________________________
> >   fot at autox.team.net
> >   
> >   http://www.fot-racing.com
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Sep 12 19:57:42 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 21:57:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 passenger door wanted
References: <71429331-034B-48DD-8A17-7A9363C70C26@catalystre.com>
Message-ID: <99B43CCE-E79E-4E94-98ED-BB92D3D4254E@me.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racecar request, but I?m looking for a straight rust free door for my ?69. The one on my street car apparently took a good hit at one time and was repaired but is not straight, and I?m thinking it might be easier to replace it with a good one, since the hit impacted the character line above the door handle.
I thought I could swap in a TR4A door I have, but the inner stamping, window mechanism and door latch area are different.  Not sure if they made running changes in these things - the outer skin is the same, but quite a few differences otherwise.

I?m in eastern PA - Philadelphia area - easiest if I can drive to pick this up.

Scott Janzen

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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 20:51:01 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:51:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations AMBRO PROJECT
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Message-ID: <B73F8230-120B-4A61-9FB9-44A76ADD4DDC@ponostyle.com>

Dunlops save wear on the diff but make up for it with bodywork modifications. On the plus side you don?t need limited slip, because it won?t help. And they never wear out. 
> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> For the ? Goodwood? experience ( slipping- sliding) , Dunlop L is the only way to go :-) 
> 
> I Actually think Those bricks - Ahem - Dunlop?s should be mandatory for every car / every class !!
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020 at 5:25 PM, <Bob Kramer via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
>> 
>> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>>> 
>>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>>> 
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>>> 
>>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marc
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>> 
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>> 
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Sep 13 06:37:45 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:37:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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I use the super lights 15x6 on the TR3. When I ran in group 4 with CVAR, i used the speedsters. Can?t wait to see this car at CVAR events. Maybe I?d run in group 4 again just to race with him. 

Greg

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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
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> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
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>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
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>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun Sep 13 11:37:50 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:37:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

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Aan: "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <tr4racing at gmail.com> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
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Cc: 'Kas Kastner' <kaskastner at gmail.com>; 'fot at autox. team. net' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] 
Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








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Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun Sep 13 11:42:40 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:42:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Aan: "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Aan: "Michael Deweerd" <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>, "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <tr4racing at gmail.com> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
An: 'Michael Deweerd' <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: 'Kas Kastner' <kaskastner at gmail.com>; 'fot at autox. team. net' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] 
Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun Sep 13 11:51:38 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:51:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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3rd attempt: 
[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO 
https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ 

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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




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Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
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Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Sep 13 13:40:51 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 21:40:51 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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Hold my beer, next year I?m coming back!

 

Cheers

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Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2020 19:38
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Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2

 

 

https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg 

https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ 

https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO

https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ 

This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th.

My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 

Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders".

Marcel.

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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ

Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front  where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space!

Marcel

 

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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm.

 

Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <mailto:tr4racing at gmail.com>  <tr4racing at gmail.com <mailto:tr4racing at gmail.com> > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18
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Mike,

 

my engine is really nothing special.

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all.

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear.

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Michael Deweerd <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com <mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com> > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54
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Cc: Kas Kastner <kaskastner at gmail.com <mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com> >; fot at autox. team. net <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!!  175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 

We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 

Mike 

 

 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners.

But Triumphs do better from my experience.

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Kas Kastner <kaskastner at gmail.com <mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com> > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11
An: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> >
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars.  EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s.  I also think  the MG's are  a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine.  Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable.


Never be beaten by equipment.

 

 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Very well driven.

 

Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick?

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-)

 

What power do they make?

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Another Grattan video.  Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.  13 minutes of full-on racing.



https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c



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From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 22:47:31 +0200 (CEST)
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Hi Chris, 
The video's marked "private" will be available "public" in a couple of hours, after midnight. 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 21:53:03 
Onderwerp: AW: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2 



Hi Marcel, 



your videos are marked ?private?. 

We can?t watch them. 



Cheers 

Chris 




Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2020 19:52 
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2 








3rd attempt: 


[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 



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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 


Thes links should be right. 






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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 








[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 


This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 


My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 


Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 


Marcel. 



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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 


Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 


Marcel 






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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




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Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
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Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



Cheers, Tony Drews 



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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 16:28:46 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 15:28:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.  It supposedly runs and is in good condition.  He?s asking $450.  Not sure what the going rate is but that seems about right.

I?d be happy to grab it for anyone in need.  Let me know.

Thanks,

Chuck Gee

From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Sep 13 17:07:10 2020
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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Chuck put that one in the 1500??

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 On?Sunday, September 13, 2020,?Chuck Gee via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

I just met a new neighbor.? He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.? It supposedly runs and is in good condition.? He?s asking $450.? Not sure what the going rate is but that seems about right.

I?d be happy to grab it for anyone in need.? Let me know.

Thanks,

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Sep 13 18:54:52 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:54:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.


Wonder which 1296 it is?

mjb.



From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 20:43:41 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:43:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.

Chuck

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
>> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.
> 
> 
> Wonder which 1296 it is?
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 21:25:19 2020
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:25:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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Yes, FE should be small journal Crank!

Terry

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 23:09, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
>>> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.
>> 
>> 
>> Wonder which 1296 it is?
>> 
>> mjb.
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Mon Sep 14 01:02:34 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:02:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort september 12th, 2nd race, 1st part
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[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfCc1QlbK0 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfCc1QlbK0 ] 
This is the correct link to the video of the first part of the 2nd race (I wrote O instead of 0 for the last figure of the link) 
Karl Chandeck is starting from last position 
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Mon Sep 14 03:26:14 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:26:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives? 
Marcel 


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 05:12:07 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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>From my website...

http://www.triumphspitfire.com/enginenumbers.html

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 10:09 PM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.
>
> Chuck
>
> > On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> >> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs
> and everything, for sale.
> >
> >
> > Wonder which 1296 it is?
> >
> > mjb.
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Sep 14 16:17:50 2020
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:17:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
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Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.


kekjacobsen at yahoo.com

Can I get a second?

Henry Morrison,

Salt Lake City, UT


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:46:56 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
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Second!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:45 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for
> the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive
> head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble
> beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really
> disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was
> perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in
> his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was
> going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving
> in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake
> when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice
> on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.
>
>
> kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
>
> Can I get a second?
>
> Henry Morrison,
>
> Salt Lake City, UT
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 17:10:00 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 16:10:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
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Seems like they are more than worthy of the nomination.  Second!
Welcome Erik and Karen.
Lief was always my "go to"  contact at Moss.  I miss his expert assistance since he has been transferred to the Miata side of Moss.  
Dave H.

>     On 09/14/2020 3:17 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.  
> 
> 
>     kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
> 
>     Can I get a second?
> 
>     Henry Morrison, 
> 
>     Salt Lake City, UT
> 
> 
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 17:29:20 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
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Is he going to join at Elkhart Lake this weekend?

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Second!
> 
> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
> Iowa British Car Club
> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
> 515-339-4228
> 
> 
> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:45 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.  
>> 
>> 
>> kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
>> 
>> Can I get a second?
>> 
>> Henry Morrison, 
>> 
>> Salt Lake City, UT
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 12:44:13 2020
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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I'd go with the too tight theory.
 The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced
them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
                               P.J.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor
> quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know
> of better alternatives?
> Marcel
>
> ------------------------------
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> *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
> *Verzonden: *Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
> *Onderwerp: *Misantroop seals
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 12:50:41 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:50:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: ecr
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CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.
Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured
with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now
longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.

The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy
brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of
brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but
I was braking earlier than I'm used to.

With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2
and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed
to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a
backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that
together as well.

This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday
practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.
Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to
Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.


https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s



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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 15:19:04 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Rear_Main_=E2=80=9CRope_Seal=E2=80=9Dupdate?=
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A while back many of you were kind enough to share your methods of sealing the felt or rope seal area of the rear main.
We have tried 2 of them should o far with mixed results and have arrived upon a third method I think is best.
Using Kas?s method with Aviation Cement has been our tried and true approach. However, the oil we are using, Driven XP, turns out to be a solvent for all but the most hardened of the Aviation Cement. And leaks develop over time.
We then tried diluting Hondabond HT with acetone and ?marinate? the felt in it. Using the Kas method, as in the shop manual, successfully packed the trapezoidal volume, and the Hondabond oozed out the sides. The acetone did not significantly thin the Hondabond, and penetration into the felt was very limited. Nonetheless, we think this will hold up, but worry a bit about the Hondabond not drying in the center of the Trapezoid, as contact with air (Moisture) is needed. It made a bloody mess as well.
So we looked further. Permatex has an Anaerobic version of rtv. Expensive at about $15 for a small tube, but we tried it. Cut off the usual tapered plastic nozzle to just fit into the trapezoid, fitted a 5/16 washer over the end to seal the trapezoid (see picture), and squeezed the tube to fill the hollow trapezoidal volume until the rtv came out the chamfered hole at the cap and block mating surface. The washer made a good seal, preventing the rtv from coming back out the end of the hole. For comparison, I did the same thing on the other side with regular rtv (Blue just because it was handy).
After 5 days I removed the main cap from the block and found that the anaerobic rtv had fully cured, but the regular, air-drying (really moisture activated) rtv to be still very much in putty form, just as squeezed from the tube. See pictures. Note the anaerobic rtv oozed into the space between the side of the cap and block much better than the blue regular rtv. I did not prep the block or cap with the recommended activator for the anaerobic rtv, which is said to improve the bond. 
Will be using the Anaerobic in this area from now on, once I test it for resistance to Driven XP.
Thought this might be helpful.
(Yes, it is a rusty and cracked old block used for experiments, having donated its body for science....)
Phil Gott
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Tue Sep 15 16:29:23 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 00:29:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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Hi P.J. Mckearn 
Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)? 
Marcel 

Van: "McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Dinsdag 15 september 2020 20:44:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals 

I'd go with the too tight theory. 
The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good.. 
P.J. 

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 



Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives? 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40 
Onderwerp: Misantroop seals 


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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Sep 15 17:54:51 2020
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:54:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.

Bud

Sent from my Commodore 64

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi P.J. Mckearn
> Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?
> Marcel
> Van: "McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com>
> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Dinsdag 15 september 2020 20:44:13
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
> 
> I'd go with the too tight theory.
>  The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
>                                P.J.
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com>
>> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
>> Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
>> Onderwerp: Misantroop seals
>> 
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 18:51:34 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:51:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Misab seals
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The rubber spring mounts washers and their little metal caps suck toads. You want multi-turn spring washers or flat wave washers. You tighten them down a little and check the gap with feeler gauges. It?s hard to find weber mount kits that come with them these days. I accidentally bought the squishy rubber ones once and they died in a weekend. 

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.
> 
> Bud
> 
> Sent from my Commodore 64
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi P.J. Mckearn
>> Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?
>> Marcel
>> Van: "McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com <mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com>>
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>> Verzonden: Dinsdag 15 september 2020 20:44:13
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
>> 
>> I'd go with the too tight theory.
>>  The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
>>                                P.J.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?
>> Marcel
>> 
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>> Onderwerp: Misantroop seals
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Tue Sep 15 19:37:44 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:37:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: ecr
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I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.

Greg

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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.  Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6.  The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected.  All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
> 
> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend.  I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to. 
> 
> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4.  I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday.  I will put that together as well.
> 
> This video is from the morning race on Saturday.  I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.  Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Wed Sep 16 02:04:48 2020
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:04:48 +0200 (CEST)
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Right link to 3rd video : 
[ https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbK0 | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbK0 ] 
This is the 1st part of the 2nd race. 
The engine is 2288cc (89mm bore) with 195 real hp at 6300rpm on the engine dyno and a flat power curve till 6800rpm. Maybe the powercurve can be flat because the cylinderhead is the limiting factor : I suppose the flow is about constant from say 6300 rpm onwards. 
At high rpm, a lot of power is lost in vibrations and friction. My engine has a bullet steel crankshaft with dummy mains and Nicasil wet liners in an attempt to counteract vibrations and friction losses. Changing gears is at 6800rpm, sometimes 7000 rpm. The valve gear is suffering the most from the high rpm, I use 2 chain tensioners slided in each other, but an hydraulic tensioner would be better. 
Marcel 


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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:51:38 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


3rd attempt: 
[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO 
https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ 

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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <tr4racing at gmail.com> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
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Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] 
Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



Cheers, Tony Drews 



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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 16 05:28:58 2020
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:28:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Misab seals
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 Hi,
I've used "thackery washers" for 25 years - never had a problem when installed correctly. The gaskets are the plastic things with o-rings on either side. Just don't crank then down - use a feeler gauge and look for a consistent gap, like .025.

I tried the rubber washers with zero success. The o-rings failed. That was a long time ago...
Regards,

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    On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 9:09:02 PM EDT, Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The rubber spring mounts washers and their little metal caps suck toads. You want multi-turn spring washers or flat wave washers. You tighten them down a little and check the gap with feeler gauges. It?s hard to find weber mount kits that come with them these days. I accidentally bought the squishy rubber ones once and they died in a weekend.?


On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.
Bud

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On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Hi P.J. MckearnThanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?MarcelVan:?"McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com>
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Onderwerp:?Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals

I'd go with the too tight theory.?The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?P.J.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?Marcel
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 As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36" structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
Bobby Whitehead

    On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not ?able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.
Greg

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend. Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to.?
With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that together as well.
This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout. Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.

https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s


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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 14:38:54 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 15:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Eagle Canyon Raceway.
Message-ID: <5A993617-1817-4022-B47D-765113455BF7@gmail.com>

My kind of track and my kind of people. 

Kas Kastner feels the same way, too, which is most important.

Kastner Cup Organizer. (Retired)

It was a great 18 years.....thank you everyone.



Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36" structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
> 
> Bobby Whitehead
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.  Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6.  The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected.  All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
>> 
>> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend.  I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to. 
>> 
>> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4.  I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday.  I will put that together as well.
>> 
>> This video is from the morning race on Saturday.  I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.  Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
>> 
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Bob Kramer
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 15:51:46 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:51:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Eagle Canyon Raceway.
In-Reply-To: <5A993617-1817-4022-B47D-765113455BF7@gmail.com>
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As a retired chief of the tribe you get to wax poetically and young bucks
can come to you for advice. So I ask you Joe,. if we wanted to host a
future K-Cup, say in 2022 or 2023, would the strategy just be to get the
Triumph racers behind it?

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:38 PM Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My kind of track and my kind of people.
>
> Kas Kastner feels the same way, too, which is most important.
>
> Kastner Cup Organizer. (Retired)
>
> It was a great 18 years.....thank you everyone.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member
> I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the
> Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio
> and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first
> year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there
> there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio
> said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a
> re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36"
> structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface
> is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and
> Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race
> Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored
> to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has
> SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past
> weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It
> is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner
> Cup event.
>
> Greg
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.
> Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured
> with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now
> longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
>
> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy
> brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of
> brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but
> I was braking earlier than I'm used to.
>
> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2
> and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed
> to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a
> backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that
> together as well.
>
> This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday
> practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.
> Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to
> Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
>
>
> https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s
>
>
>
> Bob Kramer
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From jdooley46 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 09:52:16 2020
From: jdooley46 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Dooley)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:52:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cannon intake manifold
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Hi Guys - I am looking for a late TR-6?Cannon intake manifold with linkage for Weber DOCE 40s.? Can anybody help me out???
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Sep 18 11:57:43 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 13:57:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Sep 18 15:36:39 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:36:39 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
In-Reply-To: <12301CE0-1B08-4E46-A382-7E835CA579CD@aol.com>
References: <12301CE0-1B08-4E46-A382-7E835CA579CD.ref@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+UW8b19YaEdWubCagowDjh2Z-hPFz-UBLfkrLWMN5usHACmbQ@mail.gmail.com>

yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines,
never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found
with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly
honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few
hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the
bolts were really ARP, or just copies

i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets ,
including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you
want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities
like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real
oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its
obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for
mom and dad shopping carts

Terry
Australia

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
> bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
> Phil Gott
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Sep 18 15:54:43 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:54:43 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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I like the idea of Chinese ARP bolts.
Remembers me about real American Chop suey burgers.

Cheers
Chris

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Betreff: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods

Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Sep 18 19:28:52 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:28:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to 

set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was going by )

If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the wrist pins sized or at least checked.

I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.

jim g

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track via Fot
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
To: Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
Cc: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods

 

yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines, never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the bolts were really ARP, or just copies

 

i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets , including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for mom and dad shopping carts

 

Terry

Australia

 

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Sep 19 00:09:25 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 16:09:25 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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i have a special con-rod re-sizing machine, its not a hone, but a grinder,
so we can get them perfect. Most production rods are honed and thats good
enough for most applications, but not if you are chasing perfection. Also,
hand honing on a machine designed for general applications like brake
cylinders etc , can be a disaster as they can looks good, but actually be
barrel shaped

Terry



On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm
> motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to
>
> set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was
> going by )
>
> If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the
> wrist pins sized or at least checked.
>
> I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the
> big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.
>
> jim g
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Enquiries Road &
> Track via Fot
> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
> *To:* Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
> *Cc:* Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
>
>
>
> yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines,
> never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found
> with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly
> honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few
> hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the
> bolts were really ARP, or just copies
>
>
>
> i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets ,
> including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you
> want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities
> like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real
> oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its
> obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for
> mom and dad shopping carts
>
>
>
> Terry
>
> Australia
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
> bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
> Phil Gott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sat Sep 19 03:41:59 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 05:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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Thanks everyone!
Good advice! Buy them, have the big ends checked for roundness and small end sized for the wrist pins I will install and then use them.
Regards,
Phil


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> On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:
> 
> ?
> i have a special con-rod re-sizing machine, its not a hone, but a grinder, so we can get them perfect. Most production rods are honed and thats good enough for most applications, but not if you are chasing perfection. Also, hand honing on a machine designed for general applications like brake cylinders etc , can be a disaster as they can looks good, but actually be barrel shaped
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to
>> 
>> set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was going by )
>> 
>> If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the wrist pins sized or at least checked.
>> 
>> I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.
>> 
>> jim g
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track via Fot
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
>> To: Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
>> Cc: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines, never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the bolts were really ARP, or just copies
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets , including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for mom and dad shopping carts
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Terry
>> 
>> Australia
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
>> Phil Gott
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 08:51:26 2020
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:51:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
Message-ID: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>

I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a
TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.

Thanks,

Brad
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From jeffreykelley at charter.net  Mon Sep 21 09:10:44 2020
From: jeffreykelley at charter.net (Jeff Kelley)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:10:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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The aluminum sump was available from Triumph as early as TR2s.  Below is the page from factory parts catalog. 

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Jeff Kelley

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad
> <20200921_100107x.jpg>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 09:50:37 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:50:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
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Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased 
from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just 
checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
TeriAnn

On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the 
> bottom flange.?? At one time I thought someone told me that it was an 
> original Triumph produced go fast part.?? This particular sump came 
> from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep 21 09:53:32 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:53:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
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I have an original installed on my street 1966 4A

From: Brad Kahler via Fot 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:51 AM
To: Friends of Triumph 
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318

I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s. 

Thanks,

Brad


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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 10:29:13 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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I ran one on my TR4A race car until I found the bottom fins being ground away by the pavement. Faced with the choice of raising the car or removing the sump, I opted for the latter. Still have it collecting dust. I could be persuaded to sell it if anyone is interested....
Phil Gott

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> On Sep 21, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have an original installed on my street 1966 4A
>  
> From: Brad Kahler via Fot
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:51 AM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
>  
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Brad
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 10:30:44 2020
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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Thanks all for the replies.  And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually
trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or
aftermarket, I just worded it poorly.  Considering it's age I'm guessing
it's an original.

For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it was,
which is why I was trying to find out more information about it.

Thanks!

Brad

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased
> from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just
> checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
> TeriAnn
>
> On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
>
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
> bottom flange.?  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
> original Triumph produced go fast part.?  This particular sump came from a
> TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From kaskastner at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 10:38:53 2020
From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:38:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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Back in the 50's the aluminum cast oil pan was an important piece .  In
those days we were not allowed an oil cooler and the pan had more capacity
and it also did a little cooling, but it also strengthened the block.  The
casting is thick and helped stabilize the Tr-3 block.  Valuable part in
days gone by. I admit I did grind the bottom of the pan on the track in
races but always used it for the cooling of the oil benefit (more due to
increased capacity than anything else)

*Never be beaten by equipment.*


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:31 AM Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks all for the replies.  And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually
> trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or
> aftermarket, I just worded it poorly.  Considering it's age I'm guessing
> it's an original.
>
> For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it
> was, which is why I was trying to find out more information about it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased
>> from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just
>> checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
>> TeriAnn
>>
>> On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
>>
>> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
>> bottom flange.?  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
>> original Triumph produced go fast part.?  This particular sump came from a
>> TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brad
>>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 11:16:04 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:16:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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On 9/21/20 9:29 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:
> I ran one on my TR4A race car until I found the bottom fins being 
> ground away by the pavement. Faced with the choice of raising the car 
> or removing the sump, I opted for the latter.
British Frame and Engine offers a shorter version for people just like you.
> Still have it collecting dust. I could be persuaded to sell it if 
> anyone is interested....
> Phil Gott


From billdentin at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:38:32 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:38:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
References: <1978326840.4943117.1600724312929.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Kas...
Mike Belfer and Kevin Potter, who prep'd my cars made an alteration to that oil sump (some sort of gravity driven wiper to help?keep the oil moving)
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Monday, September 21, 2020,?Kas Kastner via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

Back in the 50's the?aluminum cast?oil pan was an important piece .? In those days we were not allowed an oil cooler and the pan had more capacity and it also did a little cooling, but it also strengthened the block.? The casting is thick and helped stabilize the Tr-3 block.? Valuable part in days gone by. I admit I did grind the bottom of the pan on the track in races but always used it for the?cooling of the oil benefit?(more due to increased capacity than anything else)

Never be beaten by equipment.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:31 AM Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Thanks all for the replies.? And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or aftermarket,?I just worded it poorly.? Considering it's age I'm guessing it's an original.
For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it was, which is why I was trying to find out more information?about it.
Thanks!
Brad
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days. TeriAnn
  
  On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
  
 I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.?? At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.?? This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s. 
  Thanks, 
  Brad  
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From ajamys at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 22 20:02:17 2020
From: ajamys at yahoo.com (alex amys)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 02:02:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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I would like to nominate?Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with a car half finished and 5 times the questions!??
Can i get a second for Mike?mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com

Thanks?
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 20:04:50 2020
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 22:04:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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Second!

Jason Sukey

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wrote:

> I would like to nominate Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last
> year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about
> building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with
> a car half finished and 5 times the questions!
>
> Can i get a second for Mike?
> mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 05:00:41 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 06:00:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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Second!

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 9:03 PM alex amys via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I would like to nominate Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last
> year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about
> building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with
> a car half finished and 5 times the questions!
>
> Can i get a second for Mike?
> mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex Amys
>
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Sep 23 11:31:15 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:31:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Hi all,

I've been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It's 14 feet of "garage" space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

I've been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it's windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck's automatic trailer sway alarm (it's a big baby...).

So I've been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) - and it's what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I'd be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move.

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

Scott (B.)
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 11:40:04 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:40:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I have always run GMC 2500HD pickups until my recent F250 purchase. I have
had no issues towing with the last 2 trucks.  Both were sold with about
180,000 miles on the clock and they were on the original brakes. I don't
tow this way alot but I have a 28" box and I have loaded and carried 2
TR's. That puts it over 10,000 lbs, plus I carry a full pickup truck bed.
I have been wondering if I could downsize to one of the newer 1/2 max tow
trucks that are promoted to handle the weight.

I like the 3/4 ton trucks but gas mileage for the rest of the miles I drive
is a big trade off.

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:32 PM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
>
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
>
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
>
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Sep 23 11:58:09 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:58:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I don't know the situation now with 1/2 ton diesels, but that would be 
key to my decision. My setup was not that heavy. I towed with an 5.4L 
Expedition, then with a BMW X5 diesel. It made all the difference in the 
world.
 ?- Larry

On 9/23/2020 12:31 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years 
> now.? It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in 
> the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).? All in, full of 
> water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.? I load the trailer so I 
> have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a 
> little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting 
> towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp 
> and 470 ft lb torque. ?I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a 
> sway control strut. ?And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with 
> the extra load. ?Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just 
> fine.? But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, 
> wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway 
> alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super 
> duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. 
> An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs 
> of both trucks.? Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?? Are 
> there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice 
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what 
> I drive all winter.? The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably 
> crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).? 
> Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be 
> taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.? Which is 
> all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be 
> considerable before I would make the move.
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?? Is it worth the move?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
>
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Wed Sep 23 12:16:53 2020
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Scott,

I ended up trading a 2017 Chevy 1500 for a 2003 Dodge Ram dually last month.  My wife thought I was crazy, but I found one with just 87k miles and in great shape.  I can now haul both of my cars in a larger trailer.  The older Dodges of that era don't have all the smog equipment or use DEF that kills fuel mileage. 

I thought using a dually as a regular driver would be too impractical.  But around town I get nearly 20 MPG, which is better that the Chevy with the V8.  I targeted Dodges in the year range of 2003 to 2006 and waited until I found one in great shape.  Still cost over $20k however.  But that's better than $60-$70k for a new one that gets 10 miles per gallon.  Newer trucks have higher horsepower, but an engine programmer on an older Cummings diesel gives great results. 

Curt Johnston

>     On 09/23/2020 10:31 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Hi all,
> 
>      
> 
>     I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
> 
>      
> 
>     I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
> 
>      
> 
>     So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
> 
>      
> 
>     The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
> 
>      
> 
>     What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
> 
>      
> 
>     Scott (B.)
> 
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 12:46:39 2020
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 13:46:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
Good luck!

John Frymark

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Sep 23 13:27:01 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:27:01 +0000 (UTC)
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Its not how fast you can go.. its how fast you can stop if trailer brakes fail. Long grades offer the biggest test. ?Basic rule - never go faster on the down grade??than on the upgrade. ? Diesels with engine retarders are helpful.?

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 On?Wednesday, September 23, 2020,?John Frymark via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
Good luck!

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Sep 23 13:35:14 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:35:14 +0000 (UTC)
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Never exceed the GCRW of the towing vehicle. ?Insurance companies will not cover if over.?

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 On?Wednesday, September 23, 2020,?Mordy Dunst via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

Its not how fast you can go.. its how fast you can stop if trailer brakes fail. Long grades offer the biggest test. ?Basic rule - never go faster on the down grade??than on the upgrade. ? Diesels with engine retarders are helpful.?

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 On?Wednesday, September 23, 2020,?John Frymark via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
Good luck!

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 23 18:03:40 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 20:03:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 18:43:28 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:43:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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The things I pay attention to are the engine power (rarely a limiting
factor), transmission (if a tow package isn't fitted, expect to change
fluid at least twice as often as recommended; you don't want that fluid to
turn black), brakes (trailer brakes must be kept in excellent condition)
and stated tow limits including the tongue weight limitation and the gross
combined vehicle weight rating.  Remember the up/down, left/right and
fore/aft forces on your hitch are working the mounting points on your tow
vehicle, so towing with a 1/2 ton might mean you have to keep an eagle eye
on loading.  If you use a huge offset on your hitch (I've seen plenty of
lifted trucks using at least a 10" drop) you are significantly increasing
the torque effect of that long arm to the loading on the frame.

The 2007 Toyota Tundra I sold last year was rated at 10,600 towing capacity
and 1060 lb tongue weight (with a load distributing hitch; without one it
drops to 5000/500).  I could see that the frame rails where the hitch
attaches are very thick.  Empty weight on the truck is over 5250 lbs lbs
when completely empty and the GVWR is 6900 so to pull that load the truck
itself must be kept very lightly loaded.  Fuel fuel is 156 lbs.  Add a 180
lb driver and a few travel extras and that leaves a margin of 1300-ish lbs
for tongue weight.

One wants to be pretty accurate with the tongue weight when towing at
the GCVWR (I couldn't find this figure for the Tundra but assume it has to
be well over 15850, otherwise, assuming the trailer weight is 10,600, there
is zero capacity left for driver, fuel, etc.).  How many of us weigh our
total rig, the trailer weight, and just as important, the tongue weight?  I
tried one of those hitch balls with an integral weight scale but it was
junk.  Thankfully the local cotton gin charges very little to weigh
vehicles.  There are some salvage yards not far away from my home that also
will let me use their weighbridge but they always seem a lot busier than
the cotton gin.  You can use the trailer jack to put the hitch at the same
height used while towing if you're going to weigh the trailer tongue
separately.

These days we tow with a 170" WB Sprinter Roadtrek camper van with a
standard body and the 3.0 turbodiesel.  It's rated at 7000/700 lbs. but I
keep that to 6800 max when not traveling solo; however my typical weight
with a race car in the 18' enclosed box trailer is less than 6000.  No
problems so far, but I do change the transmission oil early and I keep an
eye on transmission fluid temperature (using a ScanGauge II that plugs into
the OBD-II terminal) when towing in the mountains.

By the way, I love my little Bluetooth camera on the back of the trailer.
Signal is strong enough and monitor image is fine.  I feel more confident
when returning to the right lane after passing.  The one I bought doesn't
seem to be offered any more but this model is what shows up when I look for
my previous Amazon order:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DW7981G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Duncan

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Scott,
>
> I ended up trading a 2017 Chevy 1500 for a 2003 Dodge Ram dually last
> month.  My wife thought I was crazy, but I found one with just 87k miles
> and in great shape.  I can now haul both of my cars in a larger trailer.
> The older Dodges of that era don't have all the smog equipment or use DEF
> that kills fuel mileage.
>
> I thought using a dually as a regular driver would be too impractical.
> But around town I get nearly 20 MPG, which is better that the Chevy with
> the V8.  I targeted Dodges in the year range of 2003 to 2006 and waited
> until I found one in great shape.  Still cost over $20k however.  But
> that's better than $60-$70k for a new one that gets 10 miles per gallon.
> Newer trucks have higher horsepower, but an engine programmer on an older
> Cummings diesel gives great results.
>
> Curt Johnston
>
> On 09/23/2020 10:31 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
>
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
>
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
>
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 18:48:39 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:48:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 


> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
> 
> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.
> 
> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
> 
> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
> 
> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.
> 
> Just my experience.
> Mike 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
> To: Amici Triumphi 
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>  
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>  
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>  
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
>  
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>  
> Scott (B.)
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 19:55:22 2020
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 21:55:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)

Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it.

Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy!

 

The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters.

 

Russ

 

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Mike Jackson
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings

 

I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 

 

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 

 

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 

 

 

On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 

I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:

I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.

 

It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.

 

Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.

 

And yes, it's my around town daily driver.

 

I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.

 

Just my experience.

Mike 

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
To: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 

Hi all,

 

I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

 

I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).

 

So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

 

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 

 

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

 

Scott (B.)

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Thu Sep 24 03:52:02 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:52:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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A Renault Alpine is not the usual towcar,but it served me well for 240,000kms, and I used it for towing a trailer for some years. At race week-ends, I stowed it full of spares and did sleep in it (the passenger seats were removed). 
It is a A610, with a turbo 3 litres 250 bhp, rear engined and of course rear drive.(same specs as the Porsche911 of that era, only more comfortable and quiet) It was a stable configuration. Once in Germany, the police arrested me for speeding, importing 70 litres of petrol and overtaking where it was not allowed. Only the ovetaking was fined, because the speedometer of their car was not an official device and I had a receipt for the fuel, confirming that it was bought in Germany (Germany has some petrol stations where fuel of 102 RON is sold). 
Marcel 
Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Aan: "Ponostyle" <ponobill at gmail.com>, "Mike Jackson" <grandwazoo at earthlink.net> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 24 september 2020 03:55:22 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 



An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it) 

Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it. 

Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy! 



The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters. 



Russ 




From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM 
To: Mike Jackson 
Cc: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 




I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 





But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 





My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 











On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





I realize everyone has their own preferred answer. That said: 


I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new. Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time. It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled. It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites. 





It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators. I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model. 





Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban. An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds. The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does. 





And yes, it's my around town daily driver. 





I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually. His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer. Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough. 





Just my experience. 


Mike 

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
To: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 


Hi all, 





I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now. It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area). All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs. I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad. 





I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque. I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut. And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load. Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine. But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?). 





So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks. Is that enough to make a noticeable difference? Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150? 





The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter. The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume). Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250. Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 





What say you, towing brain trust? Is it worth the move? 





Scott (B.) 


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An article in the newspaper this morning indicates Gayle Sayers, the Kansas Comet and Chicago Bears Super Star has passed away.
Gayle went through a Motorsports phase, and for a while was a frequent racer at BLACKHAWK.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Sep 24 07:47:42 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:47:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I think we can all agree that an F-250 or F-350 would tow a large load better and more safely than an F-150.  For all sorts of reasons.

I?ve gotten some really good suggestions on how to optimize the capacity of my F-150.  Using the F-150 is, admittedly, a compromise.  But figuring out how to get the most out of its capacity is the point of this thought experiment.

Two suggestions rise to the top of the list.  Ken Knight suggests that I may have my weight distributing hitch set up too tight ? distributing too much of the tongue weight and reducing my tongue weight from about 17.5% to?.well, something less.  That rings true to me.  Knowing that I?m pushing my luck with 1700 pounds of tongue weight on an F-150 (even with max tow package and Air Lift bladders), I tend to put a lot of preload on the spring bars.  With the weight distributed, maybe I don?t have as much tongue weight as I think I do.  That?s going to be my first experiment.

And Paul Ricco suggests I reorganize some of the bed load.  I tend to load five 5-gallon fuel jugs up against the tailgate.  After I try reducing the preload on the distributing hitch spring bars to see what that does, I?ll try reorganizing the load in the bed to move heavier items forward.

And I?ll take the whole rig to a Cat scale and see what I can learn there.

And maybe the right answer is ?get a bigger hammer?.  We?ll see.

Thanks for all the thoughts, guys!   I?ll let you know what I find out.

Scott (B.)



From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:55 PM
To: 'Ponostyle' <ponobill at gmail.com>; 'Mike Jackson' <grandwazoo at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings

An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)
Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it.
Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy!

The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters.

Russ

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Mike Jackson
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings

I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.


On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.

It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.

Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.

And yes, it's my around town daily driver.

I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.

Just my experience.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
To: Amici Triumphi
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
Hi all,

I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).

So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move.

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

Scott (B.)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 24 08:07:53 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:07:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Gee, on the one hand I wish I had to worry about towing a 20+ foot 
enclosed trailer, but all I have is a little single axle tilt trailer 
that fits a Spitfire just fine.? And still clinging to the idea that 
I'll get back into racing RealSoonNow I just upgraded my tow vehicle to 
a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder, 6,000 lbs capacity.? More than ample to my 
meager needs.? But back in the IVR days I had an E350 extended van that 
could probably tow a small town to the next county without breaking a 
sweat.? What a beast!

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 08:43:46 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 09:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and
recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have
changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were
virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for
the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works
just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get
better gas mileage.

This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research Fords versus
GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's question got me to
thinking about it. I found this short article which explains the Fords and
there are minor differences between the F250 and F350's as listed below.

In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is
less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I
suppose that an F350 would be harsher.

F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission

Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most
are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows
better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic,
and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t
one. *The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.*
F250 vs F350: Axles

Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle
may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which
is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is
slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel)
F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger
center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years
of the dually receive the Dana 80.
*Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.*You
can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60
<https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
F250 vs F350: Suspension

All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and
standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload
springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a
small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has
stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an
option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with
factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which
lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes
factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a
slightly higher tow rating.

To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block
compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?

Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will consider
the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance and
registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the
case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make
towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly
identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial,
> especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my
> Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first
> one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab
> ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world,
> but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in
> and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry)
> and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH
> better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an
> eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to
> Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.
>
> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in
> parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the
> trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t
> a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet,
> put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.
>
> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed
> two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as
> long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that
> helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and
> require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>
> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and
> alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our
> crew cab model.
>
> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or
> lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.
> The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>
> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>
> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I
> should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a
> thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel
> trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with
> broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide
> enough.
>
> Just my experience.
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
> To: Amici Triumphi
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
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From bownes at web9.com  Thu Sep 24 09:27:12 2020
From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:27:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Interesting discussion as I'm about to put my Avalanche 1500 on the market.

The 1500 Av suited my 16' enclosed trailer well, but the 24' was a bit of a
load. I've downsized the racing effort, gotten rid of the 24', am looking
for a newish 16'x7 to go with my new tow vehicle.

I don't haul big loads like I used to, so something smallish that suits a
<10,000 load and still gets ~20mpg about town, and is suitable for a long
cruise was warranted. Recently just such a vehicle appeared on the radar,
the wife needed new wheels, so we added a multi-purpose vehicle to the
fleet. And you know it tows pretty darn well. I used it to move ~6,000 lbs
of trailer and bridgeport mill after I tore out my Achilles a couple of
weeks ago and it just didn't care. I expect the FV or a Spit/GT6 in the
smaller enclosed trailer will be similar. So, as soon as I can get a
Triumph race car together, I'm hoping you all can make space in the FOT
paddock for us even if the tow vehicle is:

A Porsche. :)

2010 Cayanne with the tow package. There is nothing quite like backing up
to the trailer and hitting the 'raise' button on the suspension settings
and having the ball lift up into the receiver.

Bob


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:48 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and
> recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have
> changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were
> virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for
> the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works
> just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get
> better gas mileage.
>
> This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research
> Fords versus GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's
> question got me to thinking about it. I found this short article which
> explains the Fords and there are minor differences between the F250 and
> F350's as listed below.
>
> In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is
> less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I
> suppose that an F350 would be harsher.
>
> F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission
>
> Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most
> are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows
> better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic,
> and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t
> one. *The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.*
> F250 vs F350: Axles
>
> Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle
> may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which
> is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is
> slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel)
> F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger
> center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years
> of the dually receive the Dana 80.
> *Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.*You
> can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60
> <https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
> F250 vs F350: Suspension
>
> All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and
> standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload
> springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a
> small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has
> stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an
> option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with
> factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which
> lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes
> factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a
> slightly higher tow rating.
>
> To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block
> compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
> F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?
>
> Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will
> consider the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance
> and registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the
> case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make
> towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly
> identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
> Bob Kramer
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial,
>> especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my
>> Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first
>> one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab
>> ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world,
>> but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in
>> and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry)
>> and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH
>> better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an
>> eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to
>> Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.
>>
>> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me
>> in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the
>> trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t
>> a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet,
>> put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.
>>
>> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
>> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed
>> two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as
>> long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that
>> helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and
>> require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>>
>> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and
>> alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our
>> crew cab model.
>>
>> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or
>> lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.
>> The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>>
>> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>>
>> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I
>> should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a
>> thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel
>> trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with
>> broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide
>> enough.
>>
>> Just my experience.
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
>> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
>> To: Amici Triumphi
>> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
>> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
>> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
>> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
>> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
>> the truck, but not too bad.
>>
>> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
>> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
>> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
>> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
>> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
>> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
>> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>>
>> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
>> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
>> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
>> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
>> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>>
>> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
>> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
>> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
>> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
>> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
>> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
>> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
>> would make the move.
>>
>> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>>
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 09:35:51 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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A friend of mine sold her Tesla model S and bought a 2020 Cayanne Hybrid explicitly to tow a horse trailer. Sounded nuts to me until I read the specs. It?s actually well suited to her use. 

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, robert bownes <bownes at web9.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting discussion as I'm about to put my Avalanche 1500 on the market. 
> 
> The 1500 Av suited my 16' enclosed trailer well, but the 24' was a bit of a load. I've downsized the racing effort, gotten rid of the 24', am looking for a newish 16'x7 to go with my new tow vehicle. 
> 
> I don't haul big loads like I used to, so something smallish that suits a <10,000 load and still gets ~20mpg about town, and is suitable for a long cruise was warranted. Recently just such a vehicle appeared on the radar, the wife needed new wheels, so we added a multi-purpose vehicle to the fleet. And you know it tows pretty darn well. I used it to move ~6,000 lbs of trailer and bridgeport mill after I tore out my Achilles a couple of weeks ago and it just didn't care. I expect the FV or a Spit/GT6 in the smaller enclosed trailer will be similar. So, as soon as I can get a Triumph race car together, I'm hoping you all can make space in the FOT paddock for us even if the tow vehicle is:
> 
> A Porsche. :)
> 
> 2010 Cayanne with the tow package. There is nothing quite like backing up to the trailer and hitting the 'raise' button on the suspension settings and having the ball lift up into the receiver. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:48 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get better gas mileage.  
> 
> This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research Fords versus GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's question got me to thinking about it. I found this short article which explains the Fords and there are minor differences between the F250 and F350's as listed below.  
> 
> In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I suppose that an F350 would be harsher.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission
> 
> Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic, and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t one. The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Axles
> 
> Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel) F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years of the dually receive the Dana 80. Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.
> You can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60 <https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Suspension
> 
> All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a slightly higher tow rating.
> 
> To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?
> 
> Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will consider the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance and registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 
> 
> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 
> 
> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
>> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>> 
>> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.
>> 
>> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>> 
>> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>> 
>> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.
>> 
>> Just my experience.
>> Mike 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
>> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
>> To: Amici Triumphi 
>> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>>  
>> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>>  
>> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>>  
>> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
>>  
>> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>>  
>> Scott (B.)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 24 10:53:33 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:53:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Hardy. E type.

mjb.



From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Sep 24 11:15:00 2020
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:15:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations
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Apologies to those who have heard parts of this tale

Long long ago in a galaxy that seems oh so far away there were a few
british cars mailing lists, autocross mailing lists, and a smattering of
others run by our own MJB. One of the splinters was the land rovers mailing
list that included my college friend, garage partner, and  occasional
rallye sweep car partner, Bill Caloccia.

Bill took it upon himself in the very early days of the 'net to register
the 'team.net' domain. Bill was an enthusiast of the first order, driving a
109 coast to coast, owning an 88 pickup, an XR4Ti, always on hand for SCCA
events, VTR events, as well as all the 'family' gatherings we had here with
our good friends for the Jazz festival, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and the
like. When he needed a place to stash the motor out of his '88, I of course
volunteered a corner of the garage.

We lost Bill a few years back unfortunately, but that spare engine sat in
the corner of my garage for years. In the last year I've been working to
divest myself of unfinished projects, junk, and things I'm not using. But
that engine sat untouched. A month or so ago I had an idea and listed the
engine on the FB Marketplace. Last night, a 16 year old young man and his
dad picked up that engine. They are planning on working with a friend to
rebuild it and put it in his *second* 1966 88 Land Rover. The father (who
worked on MGs with his dad) and son took on a running 109 a year ago and
have spent great time getting all the little bits taken care of, and now
they are moving on to full on British Car Madness, having picked up an
engin-less '88 and another 109 for parts to build a complete car from.I
gave him the info to get on the rovers mailing list, told them the story of
Bill, the engine, the long procession of Land Rovers at his funeral
carrying the casket and the flowers, and his friends and LR/racing family.
I can't think of a better place for that engine to go. I feel like we've
just enabled a heart transplant.

But, as I promised myself, and promised my memory of Bill, the money from
that engine was donated this morning to team.net to keep the bits flowing.
Please consider doing the same from time to time, if not for Bill, or for
Mark's sanity, then for all the parents and children handing down
traditions of togetherness.

All the best,
Bob
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Sep 24 12:54:52 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:54:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations
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Donation done.  Oddly, the donation link doesn?t seem to be appearing at the bottom of the emails anymore.   It?s there on Mark?s recent email on Hardy Prentice, but not others.  Weird.

Nevertheless.  Done.

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of robert bownes via Fot
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:15 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations

Apologies to those who have heard parts of this tale

Long long ago in a galaxy that seems oh so far away there were a few british cars mailing lists, autocross mailing lists, and a smattering of others run by our own MJB. One of the splinters was the land rovers mailing list that included my college friend, garage partner, and  occasional rallye sweep car partner, Bill Caloccia.

Bill took it upon himself in the very early days of the 'net to register the 'team.net<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fteam.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cbde5d4645157415ed86c08d860addaaf%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637365647102094581&sdata=zoYQHxoKRb%2BNWPt3RM0yksfuw4oThGLKZFcRLv2X6a8%3D&reserved=0>' domain. Bill was an enthusiast of the first order, driving a 109 coast to coast, owning an 88 pickup, an XR4Ti, always on hand for SCCA events, VTR events, as well as all the 'family' gatherings we had here with our good friends for the Jazz festival, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and the like. When he needed a place to stash the motor out of his '88, I of course volunteered a corner of the garage.

We lost Bill a few years back unfortunately, but that spare engine sat in the corner of my garage for years. In the last year I've been working to divest myself of unfinished projects, junk, and things I'm not using. But that engine sat untouched. A month or so ago I had an idea and listed the engine on the FB Marketplace. Last night, a 16 year old young man and his dad picked up that engine. They are planning on working with a friend to rebuild it and put it in his second 1966 88 Land Rover. The father (who worked on MGs with his dad) and son took on a running 109 a year ago and have spent great time getting all the little bits taken care of, and now they are moving on to full on British Car Madness, having picked up an engin-less '88 and another 109 for parts to build a complete car from.I gave him the info to get on the rovers mailing list, told them the story of Bill, the engine, the long procession of Land Rovers at his funeral carrying the casket and the flowers, and his friends and LR/racing family. I can't think of a better place for that engine to go. I feel like we've just enabled a heart transplant.

But, as I promised myself, and promised my memory of Bill, the money from that engine was donated this morning to team.net<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fteam.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cbde5d4645157415ed86c08d860addaaf%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637365647102094581&sdata=zoYQHxoKRb%2BNWPt3RM0yksfuw4oThGLKZFcRLv2X6a8%3D&reserved=0> to keep the bits flowing. Please consider doing the same from time to time, if not for Bill, or for Mark's sanity, then for all the parents and children handing down traditions of togetherness.

All the best,
Bob

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Thu Sep 24 15:09:06 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 23:09:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice
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Quoting Mark J. Bradakis : "Hardy . E-type " 

Yes, in Kas Kastners Triumph Preparation Handbook, 
Marcel 


Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 24 september 2020 22:53:58 
Onderwerp: Hardy Prentice 


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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri Sep 25 02:10:35 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:10:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice
In-Reply-To: <0F8D9BB7-0221-4B7A-AB84-19C45523F359@gmail.com>
References: <1709891919.121725509.1600981745978.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
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Message-ID: <1041927843.1206495.1601021435993.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

There are some similarities with my Renault Alpine tow car. The Alpine has no homologation for towing, the engine is behind the rear axle. I had to make reinforcements from the rear suspension points onwards. 
Marcel 


Van: "Joe Alexander" <joealexandervintage at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 25 september 2020 02:11:17 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice 

I was at Hardy?s house and he still had the E-Type. He used the cross member/rear transmission mount to reinforce the spare tire pan so he could attach part of the hitch to flat tow the TR3. 
He also took out the back wall of the garage area so the garage extended into the living area. 

He is an extremely interesting person. He used the racing as an antidote to PSTD after his tour in Vietnam. 

Joe Alexander 
4505 Donald Dr 
Cedar Falls, IA 50613 
The-vintage-racer.com 
Gasketinnovations.com 
Cell: 319.464.4711 




On Sep 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 





BQ_BEGIN

Quoting Mark J. Bradakis : "Hardy . E-type " 

Yes, in Kas Kastners Triumph Preparation Handbook, 
Marcel 


Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 24 september 2020 22:53:58 
Onderwerp: Hardy Prentice 


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 06:20:44 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 08:20:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GoPro Questions
In-Reply-To: <084401d6800f$ab45ee40$01d1cac0$@hot-tr6.com>
References: <084401d6800f$ab45ee40$01d1cac0$@hot-tr6.com>
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Walter, I use the GoPro remote to start both cameras at once. To combine
the video I use Race Render from HPTuners. They have a free, mostly full
functionality, version for download from their site. I upgraded to the $40
for life version, mostly to remove their logo from my vids. Very easy to
use software in the editor. It lets you sync the two videos together, do a
picture in picture, side by side, edit the start and finish, set audio
levels etc. Once the editing is done, you select the output format (click a
box), ie, lower resolution for Youtube, full 4K for you Big Screen TV,
small screen to watch on a phone or PC.
Once you get this stuff worked out, go to the next level and get their free
phone app (Track Addict) and add GPS based lap times, Gforce and
speedo data to it as well (for another day).

Main Menu, select one of these templates and then it will guide you through
creating the video.
[image: image.png]

  One tip, if you use picture in picture and put the rear view in a small
box so it looks like it's in your mirror, use the flip mode (Horizontal) so
cars "in the mirror" coming up on the right enter the front camera view on
the right as well.
[image: image.png]

NFI, just a happy user.
http://racerender.com/Products/index.html

mike h

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:26 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8
> Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use?
>
> Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards
> while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi
> record then play back
>
> Via a split screen?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Walter Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  1 07:53:59 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:53:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GoPro Questions
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I also do what Mike does. ? But you have a bonus, Walter! ? That GoPro 8 will have all the telemetry built in. ? The RaceRender software will pull the data from the file and display a track map, speed, Gforce, lap times, etc. ? You?ll get to create an output like I have below off your setup, using the Racerender software, and playing a bit with data templates. They have plenty out of the box that makes it easy, too.
https://youtu.be/7r-C56tGTs8?

(I now need to read John Linneys site to go set up my cameras better!!!)
Hope that helps too!
Dave Gott
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 8:22 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Walter, I use the GoPro remote to start both cameras at once. To combine the video I use Race Render from HPTuners. They have a free, mostly full functionality, version for download from their site. I upgraded to the $40 for life version, mostly to remove their logo from my vids. Very easy to use software in the editor. It lets you sync the two videos together, do a picture in picture, side by side, edit the start and finish, set audio levels etc. Once the editing is done, you select the output format (click a box), ie, lower resolution for Youtube, full 4K for you Big Screen TV, small screen to watch on a phone or PC.Once you get this stuff worked out, go to the next level and get their free phone app (Track Addict) and add GPS based lap times, Gforce and speedo?data to it as well (for another day).

Main Menu, select one of these templates and then it will guide you through creating the video.

? One tip, if you use picture in picture and put the rear view in a small box so it looks like it's in your mirror, use the flip mode (Horizontal) so cars "in the mirror" coming up on the right enter the front camera view on the right as well.?


NFI, just a happy user.http://racerender.com/Products/index.html?
mike h?

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:26 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8 Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use? 

Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi record then play back

Via a split screen?

?

Thanks

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat Sep  5 18:48:48 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:48:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 front bumper bracket, PS
Message-ID: <7F103CCA-2325-4A0B-95DD-E0E9930A38E2@icloud.com>

Guys looking for the front bumper bracket that bolts to the frame and then goes up and supports the back side of the front apron and front bumper bar. We have the drivers side, looking for the passenger side. 

Picture is of the driver side bracket that we do have. 
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Thanks. 

Greg

Sent from my iPhone

From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Mon Sep  7 19:52:07 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:52:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 front bumper bracket, PS
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References: <7F103CCA-2325-4A0B-95DD-E0E9930A38E2@icloud.com>
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Thanks for all the offers folks. There is a bracket in the mail. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Guys looking for the front bumper bracket that bolts to the frame and then goes up and supports the back side of the front apron and front bumper bar. We have the drivers side, looking for the passenger side. 
> 
> Picture is of the driver side bracket that we do have. 
> <image0.jpeg>
> <image1.jpeg>
> <image2.jpeg>
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Greg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Thu Sep 10 06:54:34 2020
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:54:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
Message-ID: <DM6PR04MB4540AFCFE6EF01D4D51005EEB4270@DM6PR04MB4540.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)

Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago

Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
3255 West 26th Street
Erie, PA 16506

Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 06:59:00 2020
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:59:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Mike - there is no miracle route from the east without really adding to the distance.  Your best compromise is to take 80/94 to 294 which loops out into the suburbs and past Ohare before hooking back up with 94. 

Good luck - we?re planning on being there with the Cheetah.  

Brian Garcia

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> On Sep 10, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)
>  
> Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago
>  
> Thanks
> Mike
>  
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
> Erie, PA 16506
>  
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Thu Sep 10 07:08:21 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Mike, go up and take the ferry across Lake Michigan. Going anywhere near 
Chicago is the pits (bad pun I guess!) I have a friend who doesn't like 
going to RA because of the Chicago traffic.

Nice being in Erie, isn't it? Close to Pittsburgh/Buffalo/Cleveland but 
no massive traffic. Also Presque Isle; I was there yesterday and it was 
gorgeous.

Have fun and stay safe.

Bill

On 9/10/2020 8:54 AM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote:
>
> I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh 
> (3 trailers)
>
> Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing 
> Chicago
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 3255 West 26^th Street
>
> Erie, PA 16506
>
> Phone: 814-616-8652??? ext 100
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Thu Sep 10 09:14:19 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:14:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Sure. ?From the North. But I don't think it's worth the effort.
Bill Dentinger

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I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)
 
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Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago
 
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Thanks
 
Mike
 
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Michael T. Moore, CPA
 
3255 West 26th Street
 
Erie, PA 16506
 
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Phone:? 814-616-8652? ext 100
 
Fax:??????? 888-865-5279
 
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 09:24:28 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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 I've lived in the area at the IL/WI border just west of 94 all my adult life - I have never found a good way to miss the mess - take I80 west to I294 bypass (tollway) heading to WI - if you catch the time right you'll make pretty good time - the worst will be on I80 between I65 and I294, esp late in the afternoon, early evening - next would be around I290 to I94 when on I294 esp during the late afternoon early evening - fortunately with the bug traffic has been lighter than usual - I currently have no idea on any of the construction zones now
Ralph
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 Sure. ?From the North. But I don't think it's worth the effort.
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Fri Sep 11 06:38:04 2020
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:38:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chicago route
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Thanks for all the advice

Thanks
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Sep 11 13:43:24 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:43:24 +1000
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
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greetings folks, does anyone have any experiences ( positive or negative)
with LED lamp inserts for our cars sold by BRITTRIX in the USA

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From chip at theukmotorsports.com  Fri Sep 11 14:08:32 2020
From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:08:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
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truck lite

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fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> greetings folks, does anyone have any experiences ( positive or negative)
> with LED lamp inserts for our cars sold by BRITTRIX in the USA
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> thanks, Terry O'Beirne , Australia
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Sep 11 14:59:05 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:59:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
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We got the ones from Moss USA for the TR3A Racer

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On Sep 11, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Chip Collingwood via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
truck lite

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:41 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
greetings folks, does anyone have any experiences ( positive or negative) with LED lamp inserts for our cars sold by BRITTRIX in the USA

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Sep 12 15:27:09 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.

Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.





Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
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> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
> 
> Thanks,
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 15:54:04 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Well, if he?s going to race it with a specific group he needs to know the regulations and requirements of the group. I?ve made that mistake before. I hope that little hairpin behind his head is just a mockup and not the actual rollbar. That?s another thing he needs to know from the organizing body. Some don?t require much, but in general the requirements for even a special are fairly strict. This is what Peyote?s frame and cage looks like, and yup, there?s a triumph frame under all that. My Ambro is somewhat similar now. 

https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg


> Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
> 
> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>> 
>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 15:56:25 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <47C899D4-0F87-4AE6-9EB8-B356F3EC5B65@ponostyle.com>
References: <DM6PR19MB4247E5C1B721BC59C0C096BE9C250@DM6PR19MB4247.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>
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There?s a few articles on the frame here: https://www.ponostyle.com/1134-2/ <https://www.ponostyle.com/1134-2/>

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Ponostyle <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Well, if he?s going to race it with a specific group he needs to know the regulations and requirements of the group. I?ve made that mistake before. I hope that little hairpin behind his head is just a mockup and not the actual rollbar. That?s another thing he needs to know from the organizing body. Some don?t require much, but in general the requirements for even a special are fairly strict. This is what Peyote?s frame and cage looks like, and yup, there?s a triumph frame under all that. My Ambro is somewhat similar now. 
> 
> https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg <https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg>
> 
> 
>> Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>> 
>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com <http://the-vintage-racer.com/>
>> Gasketinnovations.com <http://gasketinnovations.com/>
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com <mailto:marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>>
>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com <mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com <mailto:alex3rail at gmail.com>>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com <mailto:tipo61 at aol.com>>
>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>> 
>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marc
>> _______________________________________________
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 18:17:04 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?

CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
> 
> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>> 
>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 18:55:50 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:55:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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Thanks Bob K and Bill B.

It?s a straight axle, but being a special it shouldn?t make any difference.

What brand and style of wheel is one question.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
> 
> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>> 
>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>> 
>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marc
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 19:06:44 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:06:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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Multi-piece wheels are disallowed. Seems to me that personal preference should  rule the day. I would recommend Silverstone copies, but Wolf Racing 8 spokes work well too. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks Bob K and Bill B.
> 
> It?s a straight axle, but being a special it shouldn?t make any difference.
> 
> What brand and style of wheel is one question.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
>> 
>> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>>> 
>>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>>> 
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>>> 
>>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marc
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 19:11:52 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 18:11:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations AMBRO PROJECT
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 For the ? Goodwood? experience ( slipping- sliding)   , Dunlop L is the only way to go :-)   
  

  
  

  
I Actually think Those bricks - Ahem - Dunlop?s should be mandatory for every car / every class !!
  

  
  
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> On Sep 12, 2020 at 5:25 PM,  <Bob Kramer via Fot (mailto:fot at autox.team.net)>  wrote:
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>   He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?  
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>   
> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better.   
>   
>
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>   
> > On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot  <fot at autox.team.net>  wrote:
> >   
>     
> >   
> > ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.  
> >
> >   
> > Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO    Chassis.        Thank you.
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> > Joe Alexander  
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> > The-vintage-racer.com
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> > >   Date:  September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
> > >   To:  Joe Alexander  <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander  <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio  <tipo61 at aol.com>
> > >   Subject:   Tire and wheel recommendations
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> > > ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Sep 12 19:57:42 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 21:57:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 passenger door wanted
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Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racecar request, but I?m looking for a straight rust free door for my ?69. The one on my street car apparently took a good hit at one time and was repaired but is not straight, and I?m thinking it might be easier to replace it with a good one, since the hit impacted the character line above the door handle.
I thought I could swap in a TR4A door I have, but the inner stamping, window mechanism and door latch area are different.  Not sure if they made running changes in these things - the outer skin is the same, but quite a few differences otherwise.

I?m in eastern PA - Philadelphia area - easiest if I can drive to pick this up.

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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 20:51:01 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:51:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations AMBRO PROJECT
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Dunlops save wear on the diff but make up for it with bodywork modifications. On the plus side you don?t need limited slip, because it won?t help. And they never wear out. 
> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> For the ? Goodwood? experience ( slipping- sliding) , Dunlop L is the only way to go :-) 
> 
> I Actually think Those bricks - Ahem - Dunlop?s should be mandatory for every car / every class !!
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020 at 5:25 PM, <Bob Kramer via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
>> 
>> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>>> 
>>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
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>>> <image0.jpeg>
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>>> 
>>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marc
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Sep 13 06:37:45 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:37:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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I use the super lights 15x6 on the TR3. When I ran in group 4 with CVAR, i used the speedsters. Can?t wait to see this car at CVAR events. Maybe I?d run in group 4 again just to race with him. 

Greg

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
> 
> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>> 
>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun Sep 13 11:37:50 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:37:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Aan: "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Aan: "Michael Deweerd" <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>, "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <tr4racing at gmail.com> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
An: 'Michael Deweerd' <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: 'Kas Kastner' <kaskastner at gmail.com>; 'fot at autox. team. net' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] 
Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
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Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



Cheers, Tony Drews 



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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun Sep 13 11:42:40 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:42:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Aan: "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




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Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
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Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
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I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




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Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



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3rd attempt: 
[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO 
https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ 

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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




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Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
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Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 21:40:51 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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Hold my beer, next year I?m coming back!

 

Cheers

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Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
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Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2

 

 

https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg 

https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ 

https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO

https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ 

This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th.

My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 

Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders".

Marcel.

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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ

Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front  where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space!

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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm.

 

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Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

Mike,

 

my engine is really nothing special.

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all.

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear.

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!!  175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 

We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 

Mike 

 

 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners.

But Triumphs do better from my experience.

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11
An: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> >
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars.  EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s.  I also think  the MG's are  a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine.  Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable.


Never be beaten by equipment.

 

 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Very well driven.

 

Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick?

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-)

 

What power do they make?

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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Another Grattan video.  Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.  13 minutes of full-on racing.



https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c



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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 22:47:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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Hi Chris, 
The video's marked "private" will be available "public" in a couple of hours, after midnight. 
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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 21:53:03 
Onderwerp: AW: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2 



Hi Marcel, 



your videos are marked ?private?. 

We can?t watch them. 



Cheers 

Chris 




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Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2020 19:52 
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Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2 








3rd attempt: 


[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 



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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 


Thes links should be right. 






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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 








[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 


This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 


My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 


Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 


Marcel. 



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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 


Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 


Marcel 






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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
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Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

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Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 16:28:46 2020
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 15:28:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.  It supposedly runs and is in good condition.  He?s asking $450.  Not sure what the going rate is but that seems about right.

I?d be happy to grab it for anyone in need.  Let me know.

Thanks,

Chuck Gee

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Chuck put that one in the 1500??

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I just met a new neighbor.? He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.? It supposedly runs and is in good condition.? He?s asking $450.? Not sure what the going rate is but that seems about right.

I?d be happy to grab it for anyone in need.? Let me know.

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Sep 13 18:54:52 2020
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:54:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.


Wonder which 1296 it is?

mjb.




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The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.

Chuck

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Yes, FE should be small journal Crank!

Terry

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 23:09, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
>>> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.
>> 
>> 
>> Wonder which 1296 it is?
>> 
>> mjb.
>> 
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Mon Sep 14 01:02:34 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:02:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort september 12th, 2nd race, 1st part
Message-ID: <131273699.76739165.1600066954090.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfCc1QlbK0 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfCc1QlbK0 ] 
This is the correct link to the video of the first part of the 2nd race (I wrote O instead of 0 for the last figure of the link) 
Karl Chandeck is starting from last position 
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Mon Sep 14 03:26:14 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:26:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives? 
Marcel 


Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40 
Onderwerp: Misantroop seals 


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 05:12:07 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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>From my website...

http://www.triumphspitfire.com/enginenumbers.html

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 10:09 PM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.
>
> Chuck
>
> > On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> >> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs
> and everything, for sale.
> >
> >
> > Wonder which 1296 it is?
> >
> > mjb.
> >
> >
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Sep 14 16:17:50 2020
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:17:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
Message-ID: <CY4PR16MB1512DD49CA0703937660F07A90230@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.


kekjacobsen at yahoo.com

Can I get a second?

Henry Morrison,

Salt Lake City, UT


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:46:56 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
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Second!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:45 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for
> the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive
> head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble
> beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really
> disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was
> perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in
> his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was
> going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving
> in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake
> when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice
> on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.
>
>
> kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
>
> Can I get a second?
>
> Henry Morrison,
>
> Salt Lake City, UT
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 17:10:00 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 16:10:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
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Seems like they are more than worthy of the nomination.  Second!
Welcome Erik and Karen.
Lief was always my "go to"  contact at Moss.  I miss his expert assistance since he has been transferred to the Miata side of Moss.  
Dave H.

>     On 09/14/2020 3:17 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.  
> 
> 
>     kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
> 
>     Can I get a second?
> 
>     Henry Morrison, 
> 
>     Salt Lake City, UT
> 
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 17:29:20 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
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Is he going to join at Elkhart Lake this weekend?

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Second!
> 
> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
> Iowa British Car Club
> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
> 515-339-4228
> 
> 
> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:45 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.  
>> 
>> 
>> kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
>> 
>> Can I get a second?
>> 
>> Henry Morrison, 
>> 
>> Salt Lake City, UT
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook
>> 
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 12:44:13 2020
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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I'd go with the too tight theory.
 The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced
them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
                               P.J.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor
> quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know
> of better alternatives?
> Marcel
>
> ------------------------------
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> *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
> *Verzonden: *Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
> *Onderwerp: *Misantroop seals
>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 12:50:41 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:50:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: ecr
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CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.
Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured
with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now
longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.

The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy
brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of
brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but
I was braking earlier than I'm used to.

With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2
and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed
to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a
backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that
together as well.

This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday
practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.
Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to
Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.


https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s



Bob Kramer
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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 15:19:04 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Rear_Main_=E2=80=9CRope_Seal=E2=80=9Dupdate?=
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A while back many of you were kind enough to share your methods of sealing the felt or rope seal area of the rear main.
We have tried 2 of them should o far with mixed results and have arrived upon a third method I think is best.
Using Kas?s method with Aviation Cement has been our tried and true approach. However, the oil we are using, Driven XP, turns out to be a solvent for all but the most hardened of the Aviation Cement. And leaks develop over time.
We then tried diluting Hondabond HT with acetone and ?marinate? the felt in it. Using the Kas method, as in the shop manual, successfully packed the trapezoidal volume, and the Hondabond oozed out the sides. The acetone did not significantly thin the Hondabond, and penetration into the felt was very limited. Nonetheless, we think this will hold up, but worry a bit about the Hondabond not drying in the center of the Trapezoid, as contact with air (Moisture) is needed. It made a bloody mess as well.
So we looked further. Permatex has an Anaerobic version of rtv. Expensive at about $15 for a small tube, but we tried it. Cut off the usual tapered plastic nozzle to just fit into the trapezoid, fitted a 5/16 washer over the end to seal the trapezoid (see picture), and squeezed the tube to fill the hollow trapezoidal volume until the rtv came out the chamfered hole at the cap and block mating surface. The washer made a good seal, preventing the rtv from coming back out the end of the hole. For comparison, I did the same thing on the other side with regular rtv (Blue just because it was handy).
After 5 days I removed the main cap from the block and found that the anaerobic rtv had fully cured, but the regular, air-drying (really moisture activated) rtv to be still very much in putty form, just as squeezed from the tube. See pictures. Note the anaerobic rtv oozed into the space between the side of the cap and block much better than the blue regular rtv. I did not prep the block or cap with the recommended activator for the anaerobic rtv, which is said to improve the bond. 
Will be using the Anaerobic in this area from now on, once I test it for resistance to Driven XP.
Thought this might be helpful.
(Yes, it is a rusty and cracked old block used for experiments, having donated its body for science....)
Phil Gott
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Tue Sep 15 16:29:23 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 00:29:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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Hi P.J. Mckearn 
Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)? 
Marcel 

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals 

I'd go with the too tight theory. 
The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good.. 
P.J. 

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 



Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives? 
Marcel 


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Onderwerp: Misantroop seals 


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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Sep 15 17:54:51 2020
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:54:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.

Bud

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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi P.J. Mckearn
> Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?
> Marcel
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> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
> 
> I'd go with the too tight theory.
>  The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
>                                P.J.
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?
>> Marcel
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>> Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
>> Onderwerp: Misantroop seals
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 18:51:34 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:51:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Misab seals
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The rubber spring mounts washers and their little metal caps suck toads. You want multi-turn spring washers or flat wave washers. You tighten them down a little and check the gap with feeler gauges. It?s hard to find weber mount kits that come with them these days. I accidentally bought the squishy rubber ones once and they died in a weekend. 

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.
> 
> Bud
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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi P.J. Mckearn
>> Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?
>> Marcel
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>> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be <mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>>
>> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>> Verzonden: Dinsdag 15 september 2020 20:44:13
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
>> 
>> I'd go with the too tight theory.
>>  The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
>>                                P.J.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?
>> Marcel
>> 
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>> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be <mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>>
>> Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
>> Onderwerp: Misantroop seals
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Tue Sep 15 19:37:44 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:37:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: ecr
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I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.

Greg

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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.  Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6.  The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected.  All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
> 
> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend.  I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to. 
> 
> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4.  I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday.  I will put that together as well.
> 
> This video is from the morning race on Saturday.  I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.  Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
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> https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Wed Sep 16 02:04:48 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
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Right link to 3rd video : 
[ https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbK0 | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbK0 ] 
This is the 1st part of the 2nd race. 
The engine is 2288cc (89mm bore) with 195 real hp at 6300rpm on the engine dyno and a flat power curve till 6800rpm. Maybe the powercurve can be flat because the cylinderhead is the limiting factor : I suppose the flow is about constant from say 6300 rpm onwards. 
At high rpm, a lot of power is lost in vibrations and friction. My engine has a bullet steel crankshaft with dummy mains and Nicasil wet liners in an attempt to counteract vibrations and friction losses. Changing gears is at 6800rpm, sometimes 7000 rpm. The valve gear is suffering the most from the high rpm, I use 2 chain tensioners slided in each other, but an hydraulic tensioner would be better. 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:51:38 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


3rd attempt: 
[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO 
https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ 

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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
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Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
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Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
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Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
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I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



Cheers, Tony Drews 



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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 16 05:28:58 2020
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:28:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Misab seals
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 Hi,
I've used "thackery washers" for 25 years - never had a problem when installed correctly. The gaskets are the plastic things with o-rings on either side. Just don't crank then down - use a feeler gauge and look for a consistent gap, like .025.

I tried the rubber washers with zero success. The o-rings failed. That was a long time ago...
Regards,

Bob Lang


    On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 9:09:02 PM EDT, Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The rubber spring mounts washers and their little metal caps suck toads. You want multi-turn spring washers or flat wave washers. You tighten them down a little and check the gap with feeler gauges. It?s hard to find weber mount kits that come with them these days. I accidentally bought the squishy rubber ones once and they died in a weekend.?


On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.
Bud

Sent from my Commodore 64
On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Hi P.J. MckearnThanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?MarcelVan:?"McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com>
Aan:?"van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
Cc:?"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Verzonden:?Dinsdag 15 september 2020 20:44:13
Onderwerp:?Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals

I'd go with the too tight theory.?The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?P.J.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?Marcel
Van:?"trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com>
Aan:?"van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
Verzonden:?Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
Onderwerp:?Misantroop seals


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From igofaster at att.net  Wed Sep 16 13:04:56 2020
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:04:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: ecr
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 As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36" structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
Bobby Whitehead

    On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not ?able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.
Greg

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend. Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to.?
With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that together as well.
This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout. Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.

https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s


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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 14:38:54 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 15:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Eagle Canyon Raceway.
Message-ID: <5A993617-1817-4022-B47D-765113455BF7@gmail.com>

My kind of track and my kind of people. 

Kas Kastner feels the same way, too, which is most important.

Kastner Cup Organizer. (Retired)

It was a great 18 years.....thank you everyone.



Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36" structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
> 
> Bobby Whitehead
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.  Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6.  The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected.  All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
>> 
>> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend.  I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to. 
>> 
>> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4.  I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday.  I will put that together as well.
>> 
>> This video is from the morning race on Saturday.  I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.  Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
>> 
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Bob Kramer
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 15:51:46 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:51:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Eagle Canyon Raceway.
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As a retired chief of the tribe you get to wax poetically and young bucks
can come to you for advice. So I ask you Joe,. if we wanted to host a
future K-Cup, say in 2022 or 2023, would the strategy just be to get the
Triumph racers behind it?

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:38 PM Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My kind of track and my kind of people.
>
> Kas Kastner feels the same way, too, which is most important.
>
> Kastner Cup Organizer. (Retired)
>
> It was a great 18 years.....thank you everyone.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member
> I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the
> Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio
> and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first
> year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there
> there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio
> said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a
> re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36"
> structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface
> is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and
> Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race
> Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored
> to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has
> SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past
> weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It
> is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner
> Cup event.
>
> Greg
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.
> Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured
> with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now
> longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
>
> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy
> brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of
> brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but
> I was braking earlier than I'm used to.
>
> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2
> and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed
> to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a
> backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that
> together as well.
>
> This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday
> practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.
> Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to
> Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
>
>
> https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s
>
>
>
> Bob Kramer
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From jdooley46 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 09:52:16 2020
From: jdooley46 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Dooley)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:52:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cannon intake manifold
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Hi Guys - I am looking for a late TR-6?Cannon intake manifold with linkage for Weber DOCE 40s.? Can anybody help me out???
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Sep 18 11:57:43 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 13:57:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Sep 18 15:36:39 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:36:39 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines,
never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found
with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly
honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few
hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the
bolts were really ARP, or just copies

i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets ,
including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you
want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities
like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real
oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its
obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for
mom and dad shopping carts

Terry
Australia

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
> bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
> Phil Gott
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Sep 18 15:54:43 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:54:43 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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I like the idea of Chinese ARP bolts.
Remembers me about real American Chop suey burgers.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Phil Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 18. September 2020 19:58
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Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Sep 18 19:28:52 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:28:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to 

set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was going by )

If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the wrist pins sized or at least checked.

I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.

jim g

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track via Fot
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
To: Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
Cc: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods

 

yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines, never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the bolts were really ARP, or just copies

 

i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets , including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for mom and dad shopping carts

 

Terry

Australia

 

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Sep 19 00:09:25 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 16:09:25 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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i have a special con-rod re-sizing machine, its not a hone, but a grinder,
so we can get them perfect. Most production rods are honed and thats good
enough for most applications, but not if you are chasing perfection. Also,
hand honing on a machine designed for general applications like brake
cylinders etc , can be a disaster as they can looks good, but actually be
barrel shaped

Terry



On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm
> motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to
>
> set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was
> going by )
>
> If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the
> wrist pins sized or at least checked.
>
> I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the
> big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.
>
> jim g
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Enquiries Road &
> Track via Fot
> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
> *To:* Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
> *Cc:* Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
>
>
>
> yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines,
> never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found
> with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly
> honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few
> hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the
> bolts were really ARP, or just copies
>
>
>
> i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets ,
> including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you
> want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities
> like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real
> oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its
> obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for
> mom and dad shopping carts
>
>
>
> Terry
>
> Australia
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
> bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
> Phil Gott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sat Sep 19 03:41:59 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 05:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0XXmBBV1cXwrJT11btJKLV-kdqXPOi5kMDr2B01OaH2w@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks everyone!
Good advice! Buy them, have the big ends checked for roundness and small end sized for the wrist pins I will install and then use them.
Regards,
Phil


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:
> 
> ?
> i have a special con-rod re-sizing machine, its not a hone, but a grinder, so we can get them perfect. Most production rods are honed and thats good enough for most applications, but not if you are chasing perfection. Also, hand honing on a machine designed for general applications like brake cylinders etc , can be a disaster as they can looks good, but actually be barrel shaped
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to
>> 
>> set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was going by )
>> 
>> If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the wrist pins sized or at least checked.
>> 
>> I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.
>> 
>> jim g
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track via Fot
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
>> To: Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
>> Cc: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines, never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the bolts were really ARP, or just copies
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets , including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for mom and dad shopping carts
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Terry
>> 
>> Australia
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
>> Phil Gott
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 08:51:26 2020
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:51:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
Message-ID: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>

I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a
TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.

Thanks,

Brad
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From jeffreykelley at charter.net  Mon Sep 21 09:10:44 2020
From: jeffreykelley at charter.net (Jeff Kelley)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:10:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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The aluminum sump was available from Triumph as early as TR2s.  Below is the page from factory parts catalog. 

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Jeff Kelley

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad
> <20200921_100107x.jpg>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 09:50:37 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:50:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
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Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased 
from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just 
checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
TeriAnn

On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the 
> bottom flange.?? At one time I thought someone told me that it was an 
> original Triumph produced go fast part.?? This particular sump came 
> from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep 21 09:53:32 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:53:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
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I have an original installed on my street 1966 4A

From: Brad Kahler via Fot 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:51 AM
To: Friends of Triumph 
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318

I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s. 

Thanks,

Brad


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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 10:29:13 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <181E5C0916504920A2183993056FFF1C@VlackTK121647>
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I ran one on my TR4A race car until I found the bottom fins being ground away by the pavement. Faced with the choice of raising the car or removing the sump, I opted for the latter. Still have it collecting dust. I could be persuaded to sell it if anyone is interested....
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have an original installed on my street 1966 4A
>  
> From: Brad Kahler via Fot
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:51 AM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
>  
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Brad
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 10:30:44 2020
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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Thanks all for the replies.  And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually
trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or
aftermarket, I just worded it poorly.  Considering it's age I'm guessing
it's an original.

For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it was,
which is why I was trying to find out more information about it.

Thanks!

Brad

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased
> from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just
> checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
> TeriAnn
>
> On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
>
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
> bottom flange.?  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
> original Triumph produced go fast part.?  This particular sump came from a
> TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From kaskastner at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 10:38:53 2020
From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:38:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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References: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
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Back in the 50's the aluminum cast oil pan was an important piece .  In
those days we were not allowed an oil cooler and the pan had more capacity
and it also did a little cooling, but it also strengthened the block.  The
casting is thick and helped stabilize the Tr-3 block.  Valuable part in
days gone by. I admit I did grind the bottom of the pan on the track in
races but always used it for the cooling of the oil benefit (more due to
increased capacity than anything else)

*Never be beaten by equipment.*


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:31 AM Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks all for the replies.  And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually
> trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or
> aftermarket, I just worded it poorly.  Considering it's age I'm guessing
> it's an original.
>
> For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it
> was, which is why I was trying to find out more information about it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased
>> from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just
>> checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
>> TeriAnn
>>
>> On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
>>
>> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
>> bottom flange.?  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
>> original Triumph produced go fast part.?  This particular sump came from a
>> TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 11:16:04 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:16:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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On 9/21/20 9:29 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:
> I ran one on my TR4A race car until I found the bottom fins being 
> ground away by the pavement. Faced with the choice of raising the car 
> or removing the sump, I opted for the latter.
British Frame and Engine offers a shorter version for people just like you.
> Still have it collecting dust. I could be persuaded to sell it if 
> anyone is interested....
> Phil Gott



From billdentin at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:38:32 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:38:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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Hi Kas...
Mike Belfer and Kevin Potter, who prep'd my cars made an alteration to that oil sump (some sort of gravity driven wiper to help?keep the oil moving)
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Monday, September 21, 2020,?Kas Kastner via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

Back in the 50's the?aluminum cast?oil pan was an important piece .? In those days we were not allowed an oil cooler and the pan had more capacity and it also did a little cooling, but it also strengthened the block.? The casting is thick and helped stabilize the Tr-3 block.? Valuable part in days gone by. I admit I did grind the bottom of the pan on the track in races but always used it for the?cooling of the oil benefit?(more due to increased capacity than anything else)

Never be beaten by equipment.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:31 AM Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Thanks all for the replies.? And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or aftermarket,?I just worded it poorly.? Considering it's age I'm guessing it's an original.
For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it was, which is why I was trying to find out more information?about it.
Thanks!
Brad
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days. TeriAnn
  
  On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
  
 I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.?? At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.?? This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s. 
  Thanks, 
  Brad  
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From ajamys at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 22 20:02:17 2020
From: ajamys at yahoo.com (alex amys)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 02:02:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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I would like to nominate?Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with a car half finished and 5 times the questions!??
Can i get a second for Mike?mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com

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From jsukey at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 20:04:50 2020
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 22:04:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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Second!

Jason Sukey

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:02 PM alex amys via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I would like to nominate Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last
> year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about
> building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with
> a car half finished and 5 times the questions!
>
> Can i get a second for Mike?
> mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex Amys
>
>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 05:00:41 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 06:00:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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Second!

Shawn Frank
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 9:03 PM alex amys via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I would like to nominate Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last
> year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about
> building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with
> a car half finished and 5 times the questions!
>
> Can i get a second for Mike?
> mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex Amys
>
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Sep 23 11:31:15 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:31:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420DA53AE930711A5560E6CE1380@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

I've been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It's 14 feet of "garage" space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

I've been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it's windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck's automatic trailer sway alarm (it's a big baby...).

So I've been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) - and it's what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I'd be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move.

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

Scott (B.)
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 11:40:04 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:40:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I have always run GMC 2500HD pickups until my recent F250 purchase. I have
had no issues towing with the last 2 trucks.  Both were sold with about
180,000 miles on the clock and they were on the original brakes. I don't
tow this way alot but I have a 28" box and I have loaded and carried 2
TR's. That puts it over 10,000 lbs, plus I carry a full pickup truck bed.
I have been wondering if I could downsize to one of the newer 1/2 max tow
trucks that are promoted to handle the weight.

I like the 3/4 ton trucks but gas mileage for the rest of the miles I drive
is a big trade off.

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:32 PM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
>
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
>
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
>
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Sep 23 11:58:09 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:58:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I don't know the situation now with 1/2 ton diesels, but that would be 
key to my decision. My setup was not that heavy. I towed with an 5.4L 
Expedition, then with a BMW X5 diesel. It made all the difference in the 
world.
 ?- Larry

On 9/23/2020 12:31 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years 
> now.? It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in 
> the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).? All in, full of 
> water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.? I load the trailer so I 
> have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a 
> little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting 
> towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp 
> and 470 ft lb torque. ?I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a 
> sway control strut. ?And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with 
> the extra load. ?Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just 
> fine.? But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, 
> wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway 
> alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super 
> duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. 
> An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs 
> of both trucks.? Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?? Are 
> there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice 
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what 
> I drive all winter.? The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably 
> crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).? 
> Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be 
> taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.? Which is 
> all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be 
> considerable before I would make the move.
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?? Is it worth the move?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
>
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Wed Sep 23 12:16:53 2020
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Scott,

I ended up trading a 2017 Chevy 1500 for a 2003 Dodge Ram dually last month.  My wife thought I was crazy, but I found one with just 87k miles and in great shape.  I can now haul both of my cars in a larger trailer.  The older Dodges of that era don't have all the smog equipment or use DEF that kills fuel mileage. 

I thought using a dually as a regular driver would be too impractical.  But around town I get nearly 20 MPG, which is better that the Chevy with the V8.  I targeted Dodges in the year range of 2003 to 2006 and waited until I found one in great shape.  Still cost over $20k however.  But that's better than $60-$70k for a new one that gets 10 miles per gallon.  Newer trucks have higher horsepower, but an engine programmer on an older Cummings diesel gives great results. 

Curt Johnston

>     On 09/23/2020 10:31 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Hi all,
> 
>      
> 
>     I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
> 
>      
> 
>     I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
> 
>      
> 
>     So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
> 
>      
> 
>     The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
> 
>      
> 
>     What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
> 
>      
> 
>     Scott (B.)
> 
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 12:46:39 2020
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 13:46:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
Good luck!

John Frymark

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Sep 23 13:27:01 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:27:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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Its not how fast you can go.. its how fast you can stop if trailer brakes fail. Long grades offer the biggest test. ?Basic rule - never go faster on the down grade??than on the upgrade. ? Diesels with engine retarders are helpful.?

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Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Sep 23 13:35:14 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:35:14 +0000 (UTC)
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Never exceed the GCRW of the towing vehicle. ?Insurance companies will not cover if over.?

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Its not how fast you can go.. its how fast you can stop if trailer brakes fail. Long grades offer the biggest test. ?Basic rule - never go faster on the down grade??than on the upgrade. ? Diesels with engine retarders are helpful.?

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Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 23 18:03:40 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 20:03:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 18:43:28 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:43:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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The things I pay attention to are the engine power (rarely a limiting
factor), transmission (if a tow package isn't fitted, expect to change
fluid at least twice as often as recommended; you don't want that fluid to
turn black), brakes (trailer brakes must be kept in excellent condition)
and stated tow limits including the tongue weight limitation and the gross
combined vehicle weight rating.  Remember the up/down, left/right and
fore/aft forces on your hitch are working the mounting points on your tow
vehicle, so towing with a 1/2 ton might mean you have to keep an eagle eye
on loading.  If you use a huge offset on your hitch (I've seen plenty of
lifted trucks using at least a 10" drop) you are significantly increasing
the torque effect of that long arm to the loading on the frame.

The 2007 Toyota Tundra I sold last year was rated at 10,600 towing capacity
and 1060 lb tongue weight (with a load distributing hitch; without one it
drops to 5000/500).  I could see that the frame rails where the hitch
attaches are very thick.  Empty weight on the truck is over 5250 lbs lbs
when completely empty and the GVWR is 6900 so to pull that load the truck
itself must be kept very lightly loaded.  Fuel fuel is 156 lbs.  Add a 180
lb driver and a few travel extras and that leaves a margin of 1300-ish lbs
for tongue weight.

One wants to be pretty accurate with the tongue weight when towing at
the GCVWR (I couldn't find this figure for the Tundra but assume it has to
be well over 15850, otherwise, assuming the trailer weight is 10,600, there
is zero capacity left for driver, fuel, etc.).  How many of us weigh our
total rig, the trailer weight, and just as important, the tongue weight?  I
tried one of those hitch balls with an integral weight scale but it was
junk.  Thankfully the local cotton gin charges very little to weigh
vehicles.  There are some salvage yards not far away from my home that also
will let me use their weighbridge but they always seem a lot busier than
the cotton gin.  You can use the trailer jack to put the hitch at the same
height used while towing if you're going to weigh the trailer tongue
separately.

These days we tow with a 170" WB Sprinter Roadtrek camper van with a
standard body and the 3.0 turbodiesel.  It's rated at 7000/700 lbs. but I
keep that to 6800 max when not traveling solo; however my typical weight
with a race car in the 18' enclosed box trailer is less than 6000.  No
problems so far, but I do change the transmission oil early and I keep an
eye on transmission fluid temperature (using a ScanGauge II that plugs into
the OBD-II terminal) when towing in the mountains.

By the way, I love my little Bluetooth camera on the back of the trailer.
Signal is strong enough and monitor image is fine.  I feel more confident
when returning to the right lane after passing.  The one I bought doesn't
seem to be offered any more but this model is what shows up when I look for
my previous Amazon order:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DW7981G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Duncan

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Scott,
>
> I ended up trading a 2017 Chevy 1500 for a 2003 Dodge Ram dually last
> month.  My wife thought I was crazy, but I found one with just 87k miles
> and in great shape.  I can now haul both of my cars in a larger trailer.
> The older Dodges of that era don't have all the smog equipment or use DEF
> that kills fuel mileage.
>
> I thought using a dually as a regular driver would be too impractical.
> But around town I get nearly 20 MPG, which is better that the Chevy with
> the V8.  I targeted Dodges in the year range of 2003 to 2006 and waited
> until I found one in great shape.  Still cost over $20k however.  But
> that's better than $60-$70k for a new one that gets 10 miles per gallon.
> Newer trucks have higher horsepower, but an engine programmer on an older
> Cummings diesel gives great results.
>
> Curt Johnston
>
> On 09/23/2020 10:31 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
>
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
>
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
>
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 18:48:39 2020
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:48:39 -0700
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I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 


> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
> 
> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.
> 
> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
> 
> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
> 
> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.
> 
> Just my experience.
> Mike 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
> To: Amici Triumphi 
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>  
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>  
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>  
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
>  
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>  
> Scott (B.)
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 19:55:22 2020
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 21:55:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)

Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it.

Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy!

 

The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters.

 

Russ

 

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Mike Jackson
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings

 

I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 

 

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 

 

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 

 

 

On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 

I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:

I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.

 

It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.

 

Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.

 

And yes, it's my around town daily driver.

 

I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.

 

Just my experience.

Mike 

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
To: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 

Hi all,

 

I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

 

I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).

 

So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

 

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 

 

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

 

Scott (B.)

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A Renault Alpine is not the usual towcar,but it served me well for 240,000kms, and I used it for towing a trailer for some years. At race week-ends, I stowed it full of spares and did sleep in it (the passenger seats were removed). 
It is a A610, with a turbo 3 litres 250 bhp, rear engined and of course rear drive.(same specs as the Porsche911 of that era, only more comfortable and quiet) It was a stable configuration. Once in Germany, the police arrested me for speeding, importing 70 litres of petrol and overtaking where it was not allowed. Only the ovetaking was fined, because the speedometer of their car was not an official device and I had a receipt for the fuel, confirming that it was bought in Germany (Germany has some petrol stations where fuel of 102 RON is sold). 
Marcel 
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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 



An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it) 

Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it. 

Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy! 



The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters. 



Russ 




From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot 
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM 
To: Mike Jackson 
Cc: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 




I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 





But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 





My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 











On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





I realize everyone has their own preferred answer. That said: 


I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new. Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time. It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled. It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites. 





It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators. I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model. 





Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban. An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds. The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does. 





And yes, it's my around town daily driver. 





I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually. His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer. Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough. 





Just my experience. 


Mike 

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
To: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 


Hi all, 





I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now. It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area). All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs. I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad. 





I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque. I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut. And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load. Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine. But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?). 





So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks. Is that enough to make a noticeable difference? Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150? 





The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter. The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume). Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250. Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 





What say you, towing brain trust? Is it worth the move? 





Scott (B.) 


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:28:46 +0000 (UTC)
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An article in the newspaper this morning indicates Gayle Sayers, the Kansas Comet and Chicago Bears Super Star has passed away.
Gayle went through a Motorsports phase, and for a while was a frequent racer at BLACKHAWK.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Sep 24 07:47:42 2020
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:47:42 +0000
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I think we can all agree that an F-250 or F-350 would tow a large load better and more safely than an F-150.  For all sorts of reasons.

I?ve gotten some really good suggestions on how to optimize the capacity of my F-150.  Using the F-150 is, admittedly, a compromise.  But figuring out how to get the most out of its capacity is the point of this thought experiment.

Two suggestions rise to the top of the list.  Ken Knight suggests that I may have my weight distributing hitch set up too tight ? distributing too much of the tongue weight and reducing my tongue weight from about 17.5% to?.well, something less.  That rings true to me.  Knowing that I?m pushing my luck with 1700 pounds of tongue weight on an F-150 (even with max tow package and Air Lift bladders), I tend to put a lot of preload on the spring bars.  With the weight distributed, maybe I don?t have as much tongue weight as I think I do.  That?s going to be my first experiment.

And Paul Ricco suggests I reorganize some of the bed load.  I tend to load five 5-gallon fuel jugs up against the tailgate.  After I try reducing the preload on the distributing hitch spring bars to see what that does, I?ll try reorganizing the load in the bed to move heavier items forward.

And I?ll take the whole rig to a Cat scale and see what I can learn there.

And maybe the right answer is ?get a bigger hammer?.  We?ll see.

Thanks for all the thoughts, guys!   I?ll let you know what I find out.

Scott (B.)



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Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:55 PM
To: 'Ponostyle' <ponobill at gmail.com>; 'Mike Jackson' <grandwazoo at earthlink.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings

An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)
Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it.
Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy!

The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters.

Russ

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Mike Jackson
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings

I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.


On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.

It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.

Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.

And yes, it's my around town daily driver.

I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.

Just my experience.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
To: Amici Triumphi
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
Hi all,

I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).

So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move.

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

Scott (B.)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 24 08:07:53 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:07:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Gee, on the one hand I wish I had to worry about towing a 20+ foot 
enclosed trailer, but all I have is a little single axle tilt trailer 
that fits a Spitfire just fine.? And still clinging to the idea that 
I'll get back into racing RealSoonNow I just upgraded my tow vehicle to 
a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder, 6,000 lbs capacity.? More than ample to my 
meager needs.? But back in the IVR days I had an E350 extended van that 
could probably tow a small town to the next county without breaking a 
sweat.? What a beast!

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 08:43:46 2020
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 09:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and
recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have
changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were
virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for
the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works
just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get
better gas mileage.

This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research Fords versus
GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's question got me to
thinking about it. I found this short article which explains the Fords and
there are minor differences between the F250 and F350's as listed below.

In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is
less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I
suppose that an F350 would be harsher.

F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission

Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most
are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows
better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic,
and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t
one. *The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.*
F250 vs F350: Axles

Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle
may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which
is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is
slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel)
F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger
center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years
of the dually receive the Dana 80.
*Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.*You
can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60
<https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
F250 vs F350: Suspension

All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and
standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload
springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a
small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has
stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an
option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with
factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which
lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes
factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a
slightly higher tow rating.

To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block
compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?

Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will consider
the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance and
registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the
case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make
towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly
identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial,
> especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my
> Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first
> one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab
> ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world,
> but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in
> and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry)
> and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH
> better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an
> eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to
> Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.
>
> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in
> parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the
> trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t
> a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet,
> put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.
>
> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed
> two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as
> long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that
> helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and
> require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>
> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and
> alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our
> crew cab model.
>
> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or
> lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.
> The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>
> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>
> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I
> should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a
> thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel
> trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with
> broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide
> enough.
>
> Just my experience.
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
> To: Amici Triumphi
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
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From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:27:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Interesting discussion as I'm about to put my Avalanche 1500 on the market.

The 1500 Av suited my 16' enclosed trailer well, but the 24' was a bit of a
load. I've downsized the racing effort, gotten rid of the 24', am looking
for a newish 16'x7 to go with my new tow vehicle.

I don't haul big loads like I used to, so something smallish that suits a
<10,000 load and still gets ~20mpg about town, and is suitable for a long
cruise was warranted. Recently just such a vehicle appeared on the radar,
the wife needed new wheels, so we added a multi-purpose vehicle to the
fleet. And you know it tows pretty darn well. I used it to move ~6,000 lbs
of trailer and bridgeport mill after I tore out my Achilles a couple of
weeks ago and it just didn't care. I expect the FV or a Spit/GT6 in the
smaller enclosed trailer will be similar. So, as soon as I can get a
Triumph race car together, I'm hoping you all can make space in the FOT
paddock for us even if the tow vehicle is:

A Porsche. :)

2010 Cayanne with the tow package. There is nothing quite like backing up
to the trailer and hitting the 'raise' button on the suspension settings
and having the ball lift up into the receiver.

Bob


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:48 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and
> recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have
> changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were
> virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for
> the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works
> just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get
> better gas mileage.
>
> This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research
> Fords versus GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's
> question got me to thinking about it. I found this short article which
> explains the Fords and there are minor differences between the F250 and
> F350's as listed below.
>
> In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is
> less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I
> suppose that an F350 would be harsher.
>
> F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission
>
> Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most
> are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows
> better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic,
> and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t
> one. *The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.*
> F250 vs F350: Axles
>
> Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle
> may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which
> is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is
> slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel)
> F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger
> center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years
> of the dually receive the Dana 80.
> *Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.*You
> can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60
> <https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
> F250 vs F350: Suspension
>
> All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and
> standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload
> springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a
> small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has
> stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an
> option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with
> factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which
> lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes
> factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a
> slightly higher tow rating.
>
> To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block
> compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
> F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?
>
> Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will
> consider the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance
> and registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the
> case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make
> towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly
> identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
> Bob Kramer
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial,
>> especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my
>> Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first
>> one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab
>> ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world,
>> but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in
>> and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry)
>> and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH
>> better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an
>> eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to
>> Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.
>>
>> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me
>> in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the
>> trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t
>> a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet,
>> put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.
>>
>> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
>> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed
>> two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as
>> long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that
>> helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and
>> require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>>
>> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and
>> alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our
>> crew cab model.
>>
>> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or
>> lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.
>> The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>>
>> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>>
>> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I
>> should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a
>> thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel
>> trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with
>> broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide
>> enough.
>>
>> Just my experience.
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
>> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
>> To: Amici Triumphi
>> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
>> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
>> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
>> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
>> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
>> the truck, but not too bad.
>>
>> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
>> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
>> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
>> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
>> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
>> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
>> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>>
>> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
>> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
>> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
>> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
>> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>>
>> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
>> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
>> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
>> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
>> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
>> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
>> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
>> would make the move.
>>
>> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>>
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 09:35:51 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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A friend of mine sold her Tesla model S and bought a 2020 Cayanne Hybrid explicitly to tow a horse trailer. Sounded nuts to me until I read the specs. It?s actually well suited to her use. 

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, robert bownes <bownes at web9.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting discussion as I'm about to put my Avalanche 1500 on the market. 
> 
> The 1500 Av suited my 16' enclosed trailer well, but the 24' was a bit of a load. I've downsized the racing effort, gotten rid of the 24', am looking for a newish 16'x7 to go with my new tow vehicle. 
> 
> I don't haul big loads like I used to, so something smallish that suits a <10,000 load and still gets ~20mpg about town, and is suitable for a long cruise was warranted. Recently just such a vehicle appeared on the radar, the wife needed new wheels, so we added a multi-purpose vehicle to the fleet. And you know it tows pretty darn well. I used it to move ~6,000 lbs of trailer and bridgeport mill after I tore out my Achilles a couple of weeks ago and it just didn't care. I expect the FV or a Spit/GT6 in the smaller enclosed trailer will be similar. So, as soon as I can get a Triumph race car together, I'm hoping you all can make space in the FOT paddock for us even if the tow vehicle is:
> 
> A Porsche. :)
> 
> 2010 Cayanne with the tow package. There is nothing quite like backing up to the trailer and hitting the 'raise' button on the suspension settings and having the ball lift up into the receiver. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:48 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get better gas mileage.  
> 
> This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research Fords versus GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's question got me to thinking about it. I found this short article which explains the Fords and there are minor differences between the F250 and F350's as listed below.  
> 
> In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I suppose that an F350 would be harsher.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission
> 
> Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic, and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t one. The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Axles
> 
> Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel) F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years of the dually receive the Dana 80. Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.
> You can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60 <https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Suspension
> 
> All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a slightly higher tow rating.
> 
> To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?
> 
> Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will consider the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance and registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 
> 
> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 
> 
> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
>> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>> 
>> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.
>> 
>> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>> 
>> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>> 
>> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.
>> 
>> Just my experience.
>> Mike 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
>> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
>> To: Amici Triumphi 
>> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>>  
>> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>>  
>> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>>  
>> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
>>  
>> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>>  
>> Scott (B.)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 24 10:53:33 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:53:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
In-Reply-To: <c2be7522-3827-f3ad-e4a7-988b887b328f@bradakis.com>
References: <1592988690.13853.1600905820684@wamui-berry.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <4a91f570-6e34-360a-26b9-c07c710e37a8@bradakis.com>

Hardy. E type.

mjb.




From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Sep 24 11:15:00 2020
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:15:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOTfUN9W2_67xTd-7=_R3jHWWnm5FfHPx1xDo10TT1tyOg@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies to those who have heard parts of this tale

Long long ago in a galaxy that seems oh so far away there were a few
british cars mailing lists, autocross mailing lists, and a smattering of
others run by our own MJB. One of the splinters was the land rovers mailing
list that included my college friend, garage partner, and  occasional
rallye sweep car partner, Bill Caloccia.

Bill took it upon himself in the very early days of the 'net to register
the 'team.net' domain. Bill was an enthusiast of the first order, driving a
109 coast to coast, owning an 88 pickup, an XR4Ti, always on hand for SCCA
events, VTR events, as well as all the 'family' gatherings we had here with
our good friends for the Jazz festival, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and the
like. When he needed a place to stash the motor out of his '88, I of course
volunteered a corner of the garage.

We lost Bill a few years back unfortunately, but that spare engine sat in
the corner of my garage for years. In the last year I've been working to
divest myself of unfinished projects, junk, and things I'm not using. But
that engine sat untouched. A month or so ago I had an idea and listed the
engine on the FB Marketplace. Last night, a 16 year old young man and his
dad picked up that engine. They are planning on working with a friend to
rebuild it and put it in his *second* 1966 88 Land Rover. The father (who
worked on MGs with his dad) and son took on a running 109 a year ago and
have spent great time getting all the little bits taken care of, and now
they are moving on to full on British Car Madness, having picked up an
engin-less '88 and another 109 for parts to build a complete car from.I
gave him the info to get on the rovers mailing list, told them the story of
Bill, the engine, the long procession of Land Rovers at his funeral
carrying the casket and the flowers, and his friends and LR/racing family.
I can't think of a better place for that engine to go. I feel like we've
just enabled a heart transplant.

But, as I promised myself, and promised my memory of Bill, the money from
that engine was donated this morning to team.net to keep the bits flowing.
Please consider doing the same from time to time, if not for Bill, or for
Mark's sanity, then for all the parents and children handing down
traditions of togetherness.

All the best,
Bob
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Sep 24 12:54:52 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:54:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOTfUN9W2_67xTd-7=_R3jHWWnm5FfHPx1xDo10TT1tyOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1+nOTfUN9W2_67xTd-7=_R3jHWWnm5FfHPx1xDo10TT1tyOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB34208B7F7DF1EEDA30A28874E1390@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Donation done.  Oddly, the donation link doesn?t seem to be appearing at the bottom of the emails anymore.   It?s there on Mark?s recent email on Hardy Prentice, but not others.  Weird.

Nevertheless.  Done.

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of robert bownes via Fot
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:15 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations

Apologies to those who have heard parts of this tale

Long long ago in a galaxy that seems oh so far away there were a few british cars mailing lists, autocross mailing lists, and a smattering of others run by our own MJB. One of the splinters was the land rovers mailing list that included my college friend, garage partner, and  occasional rallye sweep car partner, Bill Caloccia.

Bill took it upon himself in the very early days of the 'net to register the 'team.net<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fteam.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cbde5d4645157415ed86c08d860addaaf%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637365647102094581&sdata=zoYQHxoKRb%2BNWPt3RM0yksfuw4oThGLKZFcRLv2X6a8%3D&reserved=0>' domain. Bill was an enthusiast of the first order, driving a 109 coast to coast, owning an 88 pickup, an XR4Ti, always on hand for SCCA events, VTR events, as well as all the 'family' gatherings we had here with our good friends for the Jazz festival, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and the like. When he needed a place to stash the motor out of his '88, I of course volunteered a corner of the garage.

We lost Bill a few years back unfortunately, but that spare engine sat in the corner of my garage for years. In the last year I've been working to divest myself of unfinished projects, junk, and things I'm not using. But that engine sat untouched. A month or so ago I had an idea and listed the engine on the FB Marketplace. Last night, a 16 year old young man and his dad picked up that engine. They are planning on working with a friend to rebuild it and put it in his second 1966 88 Land Rover. The father (who worked on MGs with his dad) and son took on a running 109 a year ago and have spent great time getting all the little bits taken care of, and now they are moving on to full on British Car Madness, having picked up an engin-less '88 and another 109 for parts to build a complete car from.I gave him the info to get on the rovers mailing list, told them the story of Bill, the engine, the long procession of Land Rovers at his funeral carrying the casket and the flowers, and his friends and LR/racing family. I can't think of a better place for that engine to go. I feel like we've just enabled a heart transplant.

But, as I promised myself, and promised my memory of Bill, the money from that engine was donated this morning to team.net<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fteam.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cbde5d4645157415ed86c08d860addaaf%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637365647102094581&sdata=zoYQHxoKRb%2BNWPt3RM0yksfuw4oThGLKZFcRLv2X6a8%3D&reserved=0> to keep the bits flowing. Please consider doing the same from time to time, if not for Bill, or for Mark's sanity, then for all the parents and children handing down traditions of togetherness.

All the best,
Bob

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Thu Sep 24 15:09:06 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 23:09:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice
In-Reply-To: <CAAK6sVi=qo0yManx4w0BN_cmkxe1+pC113vQwfUXWSFcjztsmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAK6sVi=qo0yManx4w0BN_cmkxe1+pC113vQwfUXWSFcjztsmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1709891919.121725509.1600981745978.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

Quoting Mark J. Bradakis : "Hardy . E-type " 

Yes, in Kas Kastners Triumph Preparation Handbook, 
Marcel 


Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 24 september 2020 22:53:58 
Onderwerp: Hardy Prentice 


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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri Sep 25 02:10:35 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:10:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice
In-Reply-To: <0F8D9BB7-0221-4B7A-AB84-19C45523F359@gmail.com>
References: <1709891919.121725509.1600981745978.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
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Message-ID: <1041927843.1206495.1601021435993.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

There are some similarities with my Renault Alpine tow car. The Alpine has no homologation for towing, the engine is behind the rear axle. I had to make reinforcements from the rear suspension points onwards. 
Marcel 


Van: "Joe Alexander" <joealexandervintage at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 25 september 2020 02:11:17 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice 

I was at Hardy?s house and he still had the E-Type. He used the cross member/rear transmission mount to reinforce the spare tire pan so he could attach part of the hitch to flat tow the TR3. 
He also took out the back wall of the garage area so the garage extended into the living area. 

He is an extremely interesting person. He used the racing as an antidote to PSTD after his tour in Vietnam. 

Joe Alexander 
4505 Donald Dr 
Cedar Falls, IA 50613 
The-vintage-racer.com 
Gasketinnovations.com 
Cell: 319.464.4711 




On Sep 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 





BQ_BEGIN

Quoting Mark J. Bradakis : "Hardy . E-type " 

Yes, in Kas Kastners Triumph Preparation Handbook, 
Marcel 


Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 24 september 2020 22:53:58 
Onderwerp: Hardy Prentice 


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 06:20:44 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 08:20:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GoPro Questions
In-Reply-To: <084401d6800f$ab45ee40$01d1cac0$@hot-tr6.com>
References: <084401d6800f$ab45ee40$01d1cac0$@hot-tr6.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVZAWd8AThyacVcF=U_=mqYpynZ30HS73OsAf0XgY8KgrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Walter, I use the GoPro remote to start both cameras at once. To combine
the video I use Race Render from HPTuners. They have a free, mostly full
functionality, version for download from their site. I upgraded to the $40
for life version, mostly to remove their logo from my vids. Very easy to
use software in the editor. It lets you sync the two videos together, do a
picture in picture, side by side, edit the start and finish, set audio
levels etc. Once the editing is done, you select the output format (click a
box), ie, lower resolution for Youtube, full 4K for you Big Screen TV,
small screen to watch on a phone or PC.
Once you get this stuff worked out, go to the next level and get their free
phone app (Track Addict) and add GPS based lap times, Gforce and
speedo data to it as well (for another day).

Main Menu, select one of these templates and then it will guide you through
creating the video.
[image: image.png]

  One tip, if you use picture in picture and put the rear view in a small
box so it looks like it's in your mirror, use the flip mode (Horizontal) so
cars "in the mirror" coming up on the right enter the front camera view on
the right as well.
[image: image.png]

NFI, just a happy user.
http://racerender.com/Products/index.html

mike h

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:26 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8
> Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use?
>
> Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards
> while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi
> record then play back
>
> Via a split screen?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Walter Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  1 07:53:59 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:53:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] GoPro Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVZAWd8AThyacVcF=U_=mqYpynZ30HS73OsAf0XgY8KgrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <084401d6800f$ab45ee40$01d1cac0$@hot-tr6.com>
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Message-ID: <1297583078.1088269.1598968439919@mail.yahoo.com>

I also do what Mike does. ? But you have a bonus, Walter! ? That GoPro 8 will have all the telemetry built in. ? The RaceRender software will pull the data from the file and display a track map, speed, Gforce, lap times, etc. ? You?ll get to create an output like I have below off your setup, using the Racerender software, and playing a bit with data templates. They have plenty out of the box that makes it easy, too.
https://youtu.be/7r-C56tGTs8?

(I now need to read John Linneys site to go set up my cameras better!!!)
Hope that helps too!
Dave Gott
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, 8:22 AM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Walter, I use the GoPro remote to start both cameras at once. To combine the video I use Race Render from HPTuners. They have a free, mostly full functionality, version for download from their site. I upgraded to the $40 for life version, mostly to remove their logo from my vids. Very easy to use software in the editor. It lets you sync the two videos together, do a picture in picture, side by side, edit the start and finish, set audio levels etc. Once the editing is done, you select the output format (click a box), ie, lower resolution for Youtube, full 4K for you Big Screen TV, small screen to watch on a phone or PC.Once you get this stuff worked out, go to the next level and get their free phone app (Track Addict) and add GPS based lap times, Gforce and speedo?data to it as well (for another day).

Main Menu, select one of these templates and then it will guide you through creating the video.

? One tip, if you use picture in picture and put the rear view in a small box so it looks like it's in your mirror, use the flip mode (Horizontal) so cars "in the mirror" coming up on the right enter the front camera view on the right as well.?


NFI, just a happy user.http://racerender.com/Products/index.html?
mike h?

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:26 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


For my recent birthday my awesome wife bought me a new GroPro Hero 8 Black. Do any FOT members have any suggestions for settings for track use? 

Also, this camera replaces my Hero 4 which I am thinking of facing rewards while the 8 is facing forwards- can anybody guide me with how to semi record then play back

Via a split screen?

?

Thanks

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat Sep  5 18:48:48 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:48:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 front bumper bracket, PS
Message-ID: <7F103CCA-2325-4A0B-95DD-E0E9930A38E2@icloud.com>

Guys looking for the front bumper bracket that bolts to the frame and then goes up and supports the back side of the front apron and front bumper bar. We have the drivers side, looking for the passenger side. 

Picture is of the driver side bracket that we do have. 
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Thanks. 

Greg

Sent from my iPhone

From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Mon Sep  7 19:52:07 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:52:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 front bumper bracket, PS
In-Reply-To: <7F103CCA-2325-4A0B-95DD-E0E9930A38E2@icloud.com>
References: <7F103CCA-2325-4A0B-95DD-E0E9930A38E2@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <794EBC3F-FBC2-49C3-B222-D80F03AD39F4@icloud.com>

Thanks for all the offers folks. There is a bracket in the mail. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Guys looking for the front bumper bracket that bolts to the frame and then goes up and supports the back side of the front apron and front bumper bar. We have the drivers side, looking for the passenger side. 
> 
> Picture is of the driver side bracket that we do have. 
> <image0.jpeg>
> <image1.jpeg>
> <image2.jpeg>
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Greg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Thu Sep 10 06:54:34 2020
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:54:34 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
Message-ID: <DM6PR04MB4540AFCFE6EF01D4D51005EEB4270@DM6PR04MB4540.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)

Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago

Thanks
Mike

Michael T. Moore, CPA
3255 West 26th Street
Erie, PA 16506

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From cudapilot at comcast.net  Thu Sep 10 06:59:00 2020
From: cudapilot at comcast.net (Brian Garcia)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:59:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Mike - there is no miracle route from the east without really adding to the distance.  Your best compromise is to take 80/94 to 294 which loops out into the suburbs and past Ohare before hooking back up with 94. 

Good luck - we?re planning on being there with the Cheetah.  

Brian Garcia

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> On Sep 10, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Michael Moore via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)
>  
> Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing Chicago
>  
> Thanks
> Mike
>  
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Thu Sep 10 07:08:21 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Mike, go up and take the ferry across Lake Michigan. Going anywhere near 
Chicago is the pits (bad pun I guess!) I have a friend who doesn't like 
going to RA because of the Chicago traffic.

Nice being in Erie, isn't it? Close to Pittsburgh/Buffalo/Cleveland but 
no massive traffic. Also Presque Isle; I was there yesterday and it was 
gorgeous.

Have fun and stay safe.

Bill

On 9/10/2020 8:54 AM, Michael Moore via Fot wrote:
>
> I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh 
> (3 trailers)
>
> Those of you near Chicago can you tell me the best route for bypassing 
> Chicago
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
>
> 3255 West 26^th Street
>
> Erie, PA 16506
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Thu Sep 10 09:14:19 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:14:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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Sure. ?From the North. But I don't think it's worth the effort.
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I am going to Road America next week with some others from Pittsburgh (3 trailers)
 
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 09:24:28 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chicago Directions
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 I've lived in the area at the IL/WI border just west of 94 all my adult life - I have never found a good way to miss the mess - take I80 west to I294 bypass (tollway) heading to WI - if you catch the time right you'll make pretty good time - the worst will be on I80 between I65 and I294, esp late in the afternoon, early evening - next would be around I290 to I94 when on I294 esp during the late afternoon early evening - fortunately with the bug traffic has been lighter than usual - I currently have no idea on any of the construction zones now
Ralph
    On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 10:15:38 AM CDT, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Sure. ?From the North. But I don't think it's worth the effort.
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Thanks
 
Mike
 
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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com  Fri Sep 11 06:38:04 2020
From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:38:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chicago route
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Thanks for all the advice

Thanks
Mike

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Sep 11 13:43:24 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:43:24 +1000
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
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greetings folks, does anyone have any experiences ( positive or negative)
with LED lamp inserts for our cars sold by BRITTRIX in the USA

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From chip at theukmotorsports.com  Fri Sep 11 14:08:32 2020
From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:08:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
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truck lite

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fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> greetings folks, does anyone have any experiences ( positive or negative)
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri Sep 11 14:59:05 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:59:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] LED lamp inserts
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We got the ones from Moss USA for the TR3A Racer

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?
truck lite

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greetings folks, does anyone have any experiences ( positive or negative) with LED lamp inserts for our cars sold by BRITTRIX in the USA

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Sep 12 15:27:09 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.

Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.





Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
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> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 15:54:04 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Well, if he?s going to race it with a specific group he needs to know the regulations and requirements of the group. I?ve made that mistake before. I hope that little hairpin behind his head is just a mockup and not the actual rollbar. That?s another thing he needs to know from the organizing body. Some don?t require much, but in general the requirements for even a special are fairly strict. This is what Peyote?s frame and cage looks like, and yup, there?s a triumph frame under all that. My Ambro is somewhat similar now. 

https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg


> Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
> 
> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>> 
>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 15:56:25 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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References: <DM6PR19MB4247E5C1B721BC59C0C096BE9C250@DM6PR19MB4247.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>
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There?s a few articles on the frame here: https://www.ponostyle.com/1134-2/ <https://www.ponostyle.com/1134-2/>

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Ponostyle <ponobill at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> Well, if he?s going to race it with a specific group he needs to know the regulations and requirements of the group. I?ve made that mistake before. I hope that little hairpin behind his head is just a mockup and not the actual rollbar. That?s another thing he needs to know from the organizing body. Some don?t require much, but in general the requirements for even a special are fairly strict. This is what Peyote?s frame and cage looks like, and yup, there?s a triumph frame under all that. My Ambro is somewhat similar now. 
> 
> https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg <https://www.ponostyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pb260001.jpg>
> 
> 
>> Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>> 
>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com <http://the-vintage-racer.com/>
>> Gasketinnovations.com <http://gasketinnovations.com/>
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com <mailto:marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>>
>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com <mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com <mailto:alex3rail at gmail.com>>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com <mailto:tipo61 at aol.com>>
>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>> 
>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marc
>> _______________________________________________
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 18:17:04 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
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He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?

CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 


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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
> 
> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>> 
>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 18:55:50 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:55:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <CF9EA015-B670-4387-AB4A-760CE028971F@gmail.com>
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Thanks Bob K and Bill B.

It?s a straight axle, but being a special it shouldn?t make any difference.

What brand and style of wheel is one question.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
> 
> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>> 
>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>> 
>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marc
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 19:06:44 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:06:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <ADCE4DD4-6870-4120-B37D-39EACE20045D@gmail.com>
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Multi-piece wheels are disallowed. Seems to me that personal preference should  rule the day. I would recommend Silverstone copies, but Wolf Racing 8 spokes work well too. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks Bob K and Bill B.
> 
> It?s a straight axle, but being a special it shouldn?t make any difference.
> 
> What brand and style of wheel is one question.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
>> 
>> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>>> 
>>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>>> 
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>>> 
>>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marc
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Sep 12 19:11:52 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 18:11:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <CF9EA015-B670-4387-AB4A-760CE028971F@gmail.com>
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 For the ? Goodwood? experience ( slipping- sliding)   , Dunlop L is the only way to go :-)   
  

  
  

  
I Actually think Those bricks - Ahem - Dunlop?s should be mandatory for every car / every class !!
  

  
  
>   
> On Sep 12, 2020 at 5:25 PM,  <Bob Kramer via Fot (mailto:fot at autox.team.net)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?  
>
>   
> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better.   
>   
>
>   
>
>   
> Sent from my iPhone
>   
>
>   
> > On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot  <fot at autox.team.net>  wrote:
> >   
>     
> >   
> > ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.  
> >
> >   
> > Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO    Chassis.        Thank you.
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > <image0.jpeg>
> >   
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > Joe Alexander  
> >   
> > 4505 Donald Dr
> >   
> > Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> >   
> > The-vintage-racer.com
> >   
> > Gasketinnovations.com
> >   
> > Cell:    319.464.4711
> >   
> >
> >       
> >
> >  Begin forwarded message:
> >   
> >   
> > >   
> > > From:  Marc McGahee  <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
> > >   Date:  September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
> > >   To:  Joe Alexander  <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander  <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio  <tipo61 at aol.com>
> > >   Subject:   Tire and wheel recommendations
> > >   
> > >     
> > >   
> > > ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
> > >   
> > >   Thanks,
> > >   Marc       _______________________________________________
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat Sep 12 19:57:42 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 21:57:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 passenger door wanted
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Message-ID: <99B43CCE-E79E-4E94-98ED-BB92D3D4254E@me.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racecar request, but I?m looking for a straight rust free door for my ?69. The one on my street car apparently took a good hit at one time and was repaired but is not straight, and I?m thinking it might be easier to replace it with a good one, since the hit impacted the character line above the door handle.
I thought I could swap in a TR4A door I have, but the inner stamping, window mechanism and door latch area are different.  Not sure if they made running changes in these things - the outer skin is the same, but quite a few differences otherwise.

I?m in eastern PA - Philadelphia area - easiest if I can drive to pick this up.

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From ponobill at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 20:51:01 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:51:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tire and wheel recommendations AMBRO PROJECT
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Dunlops save wear on the diff but make up for it with bodywork modifications. On the plus side you don?t need limited slip, because it won?t help. And they never wear out. 
> On Sep 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> For the ? Goodwood? experience ( slipping- sliding) , Dunlop L is the only way to go :-) 
> 
> I Actually think Those bricks - Ahem - Dunlop?s should be mandatory for every car / every class !!
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020 at 5:25 PM, <Bob Kramer via Fot <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> He should go with Speedsters. They are legal most everywhere. Does a 15x6 rim work with an Ambro?
>> 
>> CVAR Group 4 should be his target run group. Based around 1961 PCS. The IRS should disqualify it but no one will know any better. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
>>> 
>>> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
>>> 
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>>>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>>>> 
>>>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marc
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Sep 13 06:37:45 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:37:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Tire and wheel recommendations   AMBRO PROJECT
In-Reply-To: <817BE0B3-FF07-4197-A0D8-D2D178A06A69@cs.com>
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I use the super lights 15x6 on the TR3. When I ran in group 4 with CVAR, i used the speedsters. Can?t wait to see this car at CVAR events. Maybe I?d run in group 4 again just to race with him. 

Greg

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Builder looking for recommendation on tires and wheels for Ambro build.
> 
> Will likely race with CVAR as he is in Texas. Triumph Running Gear and RATCO  Chassis.    Thank you.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Marc McGahee <marc.mcgahee at hotmail.com>
>> Date: September 12, 2020 at 4:12:14 PM CDT
>> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>, Sean Alexander <alex3rail at gmail.com>, Bill Binodio <tipo61 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Tire and wheel recommendations
>> 
>> ?I will need to get tires and wheels in the near future. Any recommendations? Looks and functionality are both important.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Marc
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun Sep 13 11:37:50 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:37:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Aan: "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Aan: "Michael Deweerd" <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>, "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <tr4racing at gmail.com> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
An: 'Michael Deweerd' <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: 'Kas Kastner' <kaskastner at gmail.com>; 'fot at autox. team. net' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] 
Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



Cheers, Tony Drews 



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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:42:40 +0200 (CEST)
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[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




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Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
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Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
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Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun Sep 13 11:51:38 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:51:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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3rd attempt: 
[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO 
https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ 

Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Aan: "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Aan: "Michael Deweerd" <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>, "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 20 augustus 2020 19:20:57 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <tr4racing at gmail.com> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
An: 'Michael Deweerd' <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: 'Kas Kastner' <kaskastner at gmail.com>; 'fot at autox. team. net' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] 
Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

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Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



Cheers, Tony Drews 



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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 21:40:51 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Grattan race 2
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Hold my beer, next year I?m coming back!

 

Cheers

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Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2020 19:38
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Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2

 

 

https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg 

https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ 

https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO

https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ 

This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th.

My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 

Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders".

Marcel.

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ

Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front  where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space!

Marcel

 

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm.

 

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Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

Mike,

 

my engine is really nothing special.

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all.

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear.

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4th because I accidently overtook under yellow)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!!  175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 

We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 

Mike 

 

 

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Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners.

But Triumphs do better from my experience.

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11
An: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com <mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com> >
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2

 

I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars.  EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s.  I also think  the MG's are  a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine.  Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable.


Never be beaten by equipment.

 

 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Very well driven.

 

Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick?

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-)

 

What power do they make?

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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Another Grattan video.  Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4.  13 minutes of full-on racing.



https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c



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Hi Chris, 
The video's marked "private" will be available "public" in a couple of hours, after midnight. 
Marcel 


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Onderwerp: AW: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2 



Hi Marcel, 



your videos are marked ?private?. 

We can?t watch them. 



Cheers 

Chris 




Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. September 2020 19:52 
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: Grattan race 2 








3rd attempt: 


[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 



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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 


Thes links should be right. 






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Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 








[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 


[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 


[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 


[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 


This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 


My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 


Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 


Marcel. 



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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 


Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 


Marcel 






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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




Von: [ mailto:tr4racing at gmail.com | tr4racing at gmail.com ] < [ mailto:tr4racing at gmail.com | tr4racing at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
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Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
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Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








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Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




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Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 16:28:46 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 15:28:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
Message-ID: <0E59544F-D092-47B1-AA00-AF1B115A991D@gmail.com>

I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.  It supposedly runs and is in good condition.  He?s asking $450.  Not sure what the going rate is but that seems about right.

I?d be happy to grab it for anyone in need.  Let me know.

Thanks,

Chuck Gee

From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun Sep 13 17:07:10 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <416993425.1832115.1600038430455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Chuck put that one in the 1500??

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 On?Sunday, September 13, 2020,?Chuck Gee via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

I just met a new neighbor.? He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.? It supposedly runs and is in good condition.? He?s asking $450.? Not sure what the going rate is but that seems about right.

I?d be happy to grab it for anyone in need.? Let me know.

Thanks,

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Sep 13 18:54:52 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:54:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
In-Reply-To: <0E59544F-D092-47B1-AA00-AF1B115A991D@gmail.com>
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On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.


Wonder which 1296 it is?

mjb.




From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 20:43:41 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:43:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
In-Reply-To: <d9172999-8bda-8d94-7ab8-a9741fa5f3d6@bradakis.com>
References: <d9172999-8bda-8d94-7ab8-a9741fa5f3d6@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <51B3CAAF-B2DD-4246-9793-DC09CF739D87@gmail.com>

The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.

Chuck

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
>> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.
> 
> 
> Wonder which 1296 it is?
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 21:25:19 2020
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 23:25:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
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Yes, FE should be small journal Crank!

Terry

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 23:09, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
>>> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs and everything, for sale.
>> 
>> 
>> Wonder which 1296 it is?
>> 
>> mjb.
>> 
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Mon Sep 14 01:02:34 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:02:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort september 12th, 2nd race, 1st part
Message-ID: <131273699.76739165.1600066954090.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfCc1QlbK0 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfCc1QlbK0 ] 
This is the correct link to the video of the first part of the 2nd race (I wrote O instead of 0 for the last figure of the link) 
Karl Chandeck is starting from last position 
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Mon Sep 14 03:26:14 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:26:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
In-Reply-To: <CAAK6sVjqW+Ye+fGUzEbhGtXkrnW71xgQgLY-Cc5CG7KC3XcMAA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives? 
Marcel 


Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40 
Onderwerp: Misantroop seals 


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 05:12:07 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Anyone need a 1296 Spitfire motor?
In-Reply-To: <51B3CAAF-B2DD-4246-9793-DC09CF739D87@gmail.com>
References: <d9172999-8bda-8d94-7ab8-a9741fa5f3d6@bradakis.com>
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>From my website...

http://www.triumphspitfire.com/enginenumbers.html

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 10:09 PM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> The block number is FE79627L, which I believe is a small journal crank.
>
> Chuck
>
> > On Sep 13, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?On 9/13/20 4:28 PM, Chuck Gee via Fot wrote:
> >> I just met a new neighbor.  He has a complete 1296 street motor, carbs
> and everything, for sale.
> >
> >
> > Wonder which 1296 it is?
> >
> > mjb.
> >
> >
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Sep 14 16:17:50 2020
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:17:50 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
Message-ID: <CY4PR16MB1512DD49CA0703937660F07A90230@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.


kekjacobsen at yahoo.com

Can I get a second?

Henry Morrison,

Salt Lake City, UT


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 16:46:56 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR16MB1512DD49CA0703937660F07A90230@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Second!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:45 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for
> the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive
> head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble
> beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really
> disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was
> perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in
> his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was
> going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving
> in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake
> when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice
> on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.
>
>
> kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
>
> Can I get a second?
>
> Henry Morrison,
>
> Salt Lake City, UT
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 17:10:00 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 16:10:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
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Seems like they are more than worthy of the nomination.  Second!
Welcome Erik and Karen.
Lief was always my "go to"  contact at Moss.  I miss his expert assistance since he has been transferred to the Miata side of Moss.  
Dave H.

>     On 09/14/2020 3:17 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.  
> 
> 
>     kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
> 
>     Can I get a second?
> 
>     Henry Morrison, 
> 
>     Salt Lake City, UT
> 
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Sep 14 17:29:20 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hey I've got a nomination!
In-Reply-To: <CAJRV2eYWtO-BVDA4Gpa0K6BO1BAKOJZx08RF2uvtTDECxsWfYg@mail.gmail.com>
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Is he going to join at Elkhart Lake this weekend?

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Second!
> 
> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
> Iowa British Car Club
> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
> 515-339-4228
> 
> 
> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 5:45 PM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Erik "Jake" Jacobsen of Elkhart Lake who has raced his yellow bugeye for the past five or six years with me couldn't resist the opportunity to dive head first into a TR-6 racecar.  His father raced back in the day at Pebble beach, Torrey Pines, and Willow Springs when it was dirt. He was really disappointed when the MGTD was introduced as in his mind the TC was perfect.  Jake's cousin Leif, is the guy who works at Moss and is always in his MG in the Moss ads. First thing he did was ask me where the Cup was going to be held. Jake's wife Karen may do the lions share of the driving in the 6.  I worked with her at Skip Barber back in '85 and she met Jake when he started with Skip in '86. Jake has always been my willing acomplice on any stupid car related adventure I've thrown out.  
>> 
>> 
>> kekjacobsen at yahoo.com
>> 
>> Can I get a second?
>> 
>> Henry Morrison, 
>> 
>> Salt Lake City, UT
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook
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From mckearn2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 12:44:13 2020
From: mckearn2 at gmail.com (McKearn McKearn)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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I'd go with the too tight theory.
 The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced
them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
                               P.J.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor
> quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know
> of better alternatives?
> Marcel
>
> ------------------------------
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> *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
> *Verzonden: *Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
> *Onderwerp: *Misantroop seals
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 12:50:41 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:50:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: ecr
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CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.
Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured
with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now
longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.

The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy
brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of
brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but
I was braking earlier than I'm used to.

With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2
and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed
to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a
backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that
together as well.

This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday
practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.
Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to
Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.


https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s



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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 15:19:04 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Rear_Main_=E2=80=9CRope_Seal=E2=80=9Dupdate?=
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A while back many of you were kind enough to share your methods of sealing the felt or rope seal area of the rear main.
We have tried 2 of them should o far with mixed results and have arrived upon a third method I think is best.
Using Kas?s method with Aviation Cement has been our tried and true approach. However, the oil we are using, Driven XP, turns out to be a solvent for all but the most hardened of the Aviation Cement. And leaks develop over time.
We then tried diluting Hondabond HT with acetone and ?marinate? the felt in it. Using the Kas method, as in the shop manual, successfully packed the trapezoidal volume, and the Hondabond oozed out the sides. The acetone did not significantly thin the Hondabond, and penetration into the felt was very limited. Nonetheless, we think this will hold up, but worry a bit about the Hondabond not drying in the center of the Trapezoid, as contact with air (Moisture) is needed. It made a bloody mess as well.
So we looked further. Permatex has an Anaerobic version of rtv. Expensive at about $15 for a small tube, but we tried it. Cut off the usual tapered plastic nozzle to just fit into the trapezoid, fitted a 5/16 washer over the end to seal the trapezoid (see picture), and squeezed the tube to fill the hollow trapezoidal volume until the rtv came out the chamfered hole at the cap and block mating surface. The washer made a good seal, preventing the rtv from coming back out the end of the hole. For comparison, I did the same thing on the other side with regular rtv (Blue just because it was handy).
After 5 days I removed the main cap from the block and found that the anaerobic rtv had fully cured, but the regular, air-drying (really moisture activated) rtv to be still very much in putty form, just as squeezed from the tube. See pictures. Note the anaerobic rtv oozed into the space between the side of the cap and block much better than the blue regular rtv. I did not prep the block or cap with the recommended activator for the anaerobic rtv, which is said to improve the bond. 
Will be using the Anaerobic in this area from now on, once I test it for resistance to Driven XP.
Thought this might be helpful.
(Yes, it is a rusty and cracked old block used for experiments, having donated its body for science....)
Phil Gott
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Tue Sep 15 16:29:23 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 00:29:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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Hi P.J. Mckearn 
Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)? 
Marcel 

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals 

I'd go with the too tight theory. 
The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good.. 
P.J. 

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 



Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives? 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40 
Onderwerp: Misantroop seals 


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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Sep 15 17:54:51 2020
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:54:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
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Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.

Bud

Sent from my Commodore 64

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi P.J. Mckearn
> Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?
> Marcel
> Van: "McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com>
> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Dinsdag 15 september 2020 20:44:13
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
> 
> I'd go with the too tight theory.
>  The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
>                                P.J.
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com>
>> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
>> Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
>> Onderwerp: Misantroop seals
>> 
>> 
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 18:51:34 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:51:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Misab seals
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The rubber spring mounts washers and their little metal caps suck toads. You want multi-turn spring washers or flat wave washers. You tighten them down a little and check the gap with feeler gauges. It?s hard to find weber mount kits that come with them these days. I accidentally bought the squishy rubber ones once and they died in a weekend. 

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.
> 
> Bud
> 
> Sent from my Commodore 64
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi P.J. Mckearn
>> Thanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?
>> Marcel
>> Van: "McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com <mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com>>
>> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be <mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>>
>> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>> Verzonden: Dinsdag 15 september 2020 20:44:13
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals
>> 
>> I'd go with the too tight theory.
>>  The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..
>>                                P.J.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com <mailto:trbelgium1 at gmail.com>>
>> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be <mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>>
>> Verzonden: Maandag 14 september 2020 11:21:40
>> Onderwerp: Misantroop seals
>> 
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Tue Sep 15 19:37:44 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:37:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: ecr
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I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.

Greg

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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.  Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6.  The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected.  All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
> 
> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend.  I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to. 
> 
> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4.  I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday.  I will put that together as well.
> 
> This video is from the morning race on Saturday.  I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.  Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
> 
> 
> https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s
> 
> 
>  
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Wed Sep 16 02:04:48 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:04:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Grattan race 2
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Right link to 3rd video : 
[ https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbK0 | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbK0 ] 
This is the 1st part of the 2nd race. 
The engine is 2288cc (89mm bore) with 195 real hp at 6300rpm on the engine dyno and a flat power curve till 6800rpm. Maybe the powercurve can be flat because the cylinderhead is the limiting factor : I suppose the flow is about constant from say 6300 rpm onwards. 
At high rpm, a lot of power is lost in vibrations and friction. My engine has a bullet steel crankshaft with dummy mains and Nicasil wet liners in an attempt to counteract vibrations and friction losses. Changing gears is at 6800rpm, sometimes 7000 rpm. The valve gear is suffering the most from the high rpm, I use 2 chain tensioners slided in each other, but an hydraulic tensioner would be better. 
Marcel 


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Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:51:38 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


3rd attempt: 
[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO 
https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ 

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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:42:40 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtu.be/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtu.be/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtu.be/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
Thes links should be right. 


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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Zondag 13 september 2020 19:37:50 
Onderwerp: Fwd: [Fot] Grattan race 2 


[ https://youtube/pyhOVGBw3rg | https://youtu.be/pyhOVGBw3rg ] 
[ https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ | https://youtube/ofR6plG_gwQ ] 
[ https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO | https://youtube/WDfCc1QlbKO ] 
[ https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ | https://youtube/6f57pyz9iiQ ] 
This should be links to the Zandvoort races (The Netherlands) of September the 11th and 12th. 
My friend Karl Chandeck drove the car all the time. He was very quick : pole position on a grid of 48 cars! But in the race he went off in the 1st lap. That was a big disappointment of course. We repaired the car for the 2nd race. He had to start from last position(45th). After 4 laps he was in 7th position. Then some bad luck came in : the spring inside one of the Weber carburettors broke and hindered the trottle shaft : the trottle stayed partly open and it was impossible to drive the car like that. We did 2 attempts to fix it. After the 1st pit stop, Karl could do some more laps and got the fastest overall laptime of the race with 2'00"490. Without the accident in the first race, he could have finished 1st or 2nd. It's a pity. Karl is a very safe driver, he very seldom has a spin. 
Some of these video's will only be available tomorrow and if the links don't work, you simply can search in youtube with "Marcel Van Mulders". 
Marcel. 

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Verzonden: Vrijdag 21 augustus 2020 09:24:13 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 

[ https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ | https://youtu.be/GP23e6fUosQ ] 
Some of you may have seen this video of my car at the Hockenheimring some weeks ago : it was eating MG's with ease and also all the other cars except for a lightweight jaguar E-type and a very fast TVR/driver with TR6 engine. So 2' 6" was good for 3rd position on the grid, only half a second slower than the TVR. The secret? IT WAS NOT ME AT THE WHEEL!! Karl Chandeck was driving for me : not a prof racer but very fast anyway. Sadly the engine broke : holed engine block and big fire. I was always faster than the MG's but now being 68yrs old, I got slower and slower in the last couple of years without noticing it. I thought it was my car and I worked on it, but I remained in the midfield instead of at the front where I used to be. My car getting faster and me getting slower : the result has been a steady state. With 68yrs one hasn't to be slow, but for me it has turned out like that. But I hope it is not a definite fate and Karl is learning me to be faster again. We'll see if I'll succeed, if not, Karl will take over the driving completely. Next race is at Zandvoort on septembre the 12th. Watch this space! 
Marcel 


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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 



Forgot to mention, my engine has 178 hp, but the torque is the secret?.225Nm. 




Von: tr4racing at gmail.com <tr4racing at gmail.com> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 19:18 
An: 'Michael Deweerd' <michaelndeweerd at gmail.com>; 'tr4racing at googlemail.com' <tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: 'Kas Kastner' <kaskastner at gmail.com>; 'fot at autox. team. net' <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: AW: [Fot] Grattan race 2 




Mike, 



my engine is really nothing special. 

Standard crank, standard valves, good ported head, good camshaft, Ford Rods (I remember Tony has organized them for me), Phoenix exhaust head, 48 Webers, that?s all. 

My car is handling great. With good brake pads the standard brakes do very fine. Cast iron drums at the rear, Swaybars at front and rear. 

There you have it. From last to win (okay?.I was sat back to 4 th because I accidently overtook under yellow) 

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaiCLm0yvV4 ] 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Michael Deweerd < [ mailto:michaelndeweerd at gmail.com | michaelndeweerd at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:54 
An: [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] 
Cc: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] >; fot at autox. team. net < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





Chris. I want what you have for breakfast!! 175-190hp ?? I?ve not had my new engine on a dyno but I don?t think I?ll have that number Of ponies. 


We should talk because there are some ?killer B?s? here in Canada that need squashing lol 


Mike 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





Yep, MGs are lighter and I think they have a tiny advantage on tight corners. 

But Triumphs do better from my experience. 

My TR4 with 88mm bore is doing quite well and is on most cases faster than a MG. 



Cheers 

Chris 






Von: Kas Kastner < [ mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com | kaskastner at gmail.com ] > 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2020 15:11 
An: MadMarx < [ mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com | tr4racing at googlemail.com ] > 
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Grattan race 2 





I see the same thing here with good Mg's quicker than the TR-4 cars. EXCEPT we have a couple TR-4's that are better prepared with the engine (bigger) and they are much better than the M.G.'s. I also think the MG's are a lot lighter in weight for all seem very quick out of a corner. I also think that the MG engine is a lot better design to start with than thee TR-4 engine. Way back in years I built MG engines and they were excellent in using high revs and very reliable. 


Never be beaten by equipment. 








On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:04 AM Chris Marx via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Very well driven. 



Wondering why these MGs and Porsches are that quick? 

Normally Triumphs eat MGs and Porsches for Breakfast ;-) 



What power do they make? 

Here in Europe MGs are in the 160Hp range, while TR 4s are about 175-190 Hp range. 



Cheers 

Chris 




On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 11:54 PM Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Another Grattan video. Fantastic battle with Scott Fohrman in an MGB 

and Michael Moore in his beautiful red TR-4. 13 minutes of full-on racing. 



[ https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c | https://youtu.be/m3kUFUW_t9c ] 



Cheers, Tony Drews 



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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 16 05:28:58 2020
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:28:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Misab seals
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 Hi,
I've used "thackery washers" for 25 years - never had a problem when installed correctly. The gaskets are the plastic things with o-rings on either side. Just don't crank then down - use a feeler gauge and look for a consistent gap, like .025.

I tried the rubber washers with zero success. The o-rings failed. That was a long time ago...
Regards,

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    On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 9:09:02 PM EDT, Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The rubber spring mounts washers and their little metal caps suck toads. You want multi-turn spring washers or flat wave washers. You tighten them down a little and check the gap with feeler gauges. It?s hard to find weber mount kits that come with them these days. I accidentally bought the squishy rubber ones once and they died in a weekend.?


On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bud Rolofson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
Weber soft mounts should be tightened to a specific spacing between the carbs and the intake manifold. I don't remember the spec offhand but the soft mount instructions tell you what the correct distance is.
Bud

Sent from my Commodore 64
On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:29 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


Hi P.J. MckearnThanks for that. What about using rubber grease (the stuff that is used on rubber brake parts)?MarcelVan:?"McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com>
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Verzonden:?Dinsdag 15 september 2020 20:44:13
Onderwerp:?Re: [Fot] Fwd: Misab seals

I'd go with the too tight theory.?The seals on my Gt6 did the same thing after very few miles . Replaced them with new and only slightly tightened and so far so good..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?P.J.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 4:49 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Thes misab Weber seals are almost new and deteriorating already. Poor quality? or does anyone know of another reason? Too tight? Does anyone know of better alternatives?Marcel
Van:?"trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com>
Aan:?"van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
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Onderwerp:?Misantroop seals


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From igofaster at att.net  Wed Sep 16 13:04:56 2020
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:04:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: ecr
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 As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36" structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
Bobby Whitehead

    On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not ?able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.
Greg

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend. Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to.?
With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that together as well.
This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout. Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.

https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s


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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 14:38:54 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 15:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Eagle Canyon Raceway.
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My kind of track and my kind of people. 

Kas Kastner feels the same way, too, which is most important.

Kastner Cup Organizer. (Retired)

It was a great 18 years.....thank you everyone.



Joe Alexander
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> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36" structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
> 
> Bobby Whitehead
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner Cup event.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.  Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6.  The track has been reconfigured with all of the drainage problems corrected.  All new pavement! It is now longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
>> 
>> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy brake pedal all weekend.  I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but I was braking earlier than I'm used to. 
>> 
>> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2 and 4.  I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday.  I will put that together as well.
>> 
>> This video is from the morning race on Saturday.  I missed the Friday practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.  Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
>> 
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s
>> 
>> 
>>  
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 15:51:46 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:51:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Eagle Canyon Raceway.
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As a retired chief of the tribe you get to wax poetically and young bucks
can come to you for advice. So I ask you Joe,. if we wanted to host a
future K-Cup, say in 2022 or 2023, would the strategy just be to get the
Triumph racers behind it?

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:38 PM Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My kind of track and my kind of people.
>
> Kas Kastner feels the same way, too, which is most important.
>
> Kastner Cup Organizer. (Retired)
>
> It was a great 18 years.....thank you everyone.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Bobby Whitehead via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> As your Race Chairman at the recent CVAR event there and still FoT member
> I think Eagles Canyon Raceway would be an exceptional destination for the
> Kastner Cup. FYI.. the track changed hands about 4-5 years ago with Livio
> and Paula Galanti buying the whole tract. As a guy an hour away, the first
> year or so if there wasn't engineering going on every time I went out there
> there wasn't one. Has to be a french drain now every 20' easy. As Livio
> said, we've had 4000 years of water flowing through here. AND, it was not a
> re-surface. He dug the whole thing up. You now have a base to the top a 36"
> structure. When the pavers started to pave, they didn't stop. The surface
> is perfect, there is just no other words for it. If I can help. Livio and
> Paula are my friends and I'm a member at the track as well. With Race
> Chairman experience (including our last Kastener Cup there) I'd be honored
> to help... Livio Galanti had GUESS watches in his company but now has
> SHINOLA...look them up.... GREAT product.
>
> Bobby Whitehead
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 8:39:29 PM CDT, Greg Blake via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> I?m in. Love that track. Unfortunately was not  able to make it this past
> weekend, but did make the preview race in December on the short track. It
> is an amazing new surface and great layout. Would make a wonderful Kastner
> Cup event.
>
> Greg
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> CVAR had 157 cars registered for the Eagles Canyon Race this past weekend.
> Only 3 Triumphs, two Spitfires and my TR6. The track has been reconfigured
> with all of the drainage problems corrected. All new pavement! It is now
> longer and without the ripples and bumps it's an awesome track.
>
> The TR6 did awesome all weekend even though I was experiencing a spongy
> brake pedal all weekend. I knew it was just the rears thanks to the pair of
> brake pressure gauges, but bleeding didn't help. Pumping them did work but
> I was braking earlier than I'm used to.
>
> With Covid restrictions I had no crew in place to start my Go Pro Hero 2
> and 4. I need to upgrade and get some sort of remotes. Most times I managed
> to turn them off instead of on sitting in the driver's seat. I do have a
> backwards facing video for the final race on Sunday. I will put that
> together as well.
>
> This video is from the morning race on Saturday. I missed the Friday
> practices due to work so there were my first race laps on the new layout.
> Look this over and tell me if you think we should invite everyone back to
> Texas for another K-Cup at Eagles Canyon.
>
>
> https://youtu.be/Ay-Ln2otH-s
>
>
>
> Bob Kramer
> _______________________________________________
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From jdooley46 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 17 09:52:16 2020
From: jdooley46 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Dooley)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:52:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cannon intake manifold
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Hi Guys - I am looking for a late TR-6?Cannon intake manifold with linkage for Weber DOCE 40s.? Can anybody help me out???
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri Sep 18 11:57:43 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 13:57:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
References: <12301CE0-1B08-4E46-A382-7E835CA579CD.ref@aol.com>
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Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone


From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Fri Sep 18 15:36:39 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:36:39 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
In-Reply-To: <12301CE0-1B08-4E46-A382-7E835CA579CD@aol.com>
References: <12301CE0-1B08-4E46-A382-7E835CA579CD.ref@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+UW8b19YaEdWubCagowDjh2Z-hPFz-UBLfkrLWMN5usHACmbQ@mail.gmail.com>

yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines,
never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found
with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly
honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few
hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the
bolts were really ARP, or just copies

i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets ,
including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you
want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities
like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real
oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its
obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for
mom and dad shopping carts

Terry
Australia

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
> bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
> Phil Gott
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Sep 18 15:54:43 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:54:43 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
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I like the idea of Chinese ARP bolts.
Remembers me about real American Chop suey burgers.

Cheers
Chris

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Betreff: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods

Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri Sep 18 19:28:52 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:28:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b19YaEdWubCagowDjh2Z-hPFz-UBLfkrLWMN5usHACmbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to 

set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was going by )

If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the wrist pins sized or at least checked.

I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.

jim g

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track via Fot
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
To: Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
Cc: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods

 

yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines, never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the bolts were really ARP, or just copies

 

i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets , including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for mom and dad shopping carts

 

Terry

Australia

 

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
Phil Gott

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Sat Sep 19 00:09:25 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 16:09:25 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
In-Reply-To: <001301d68e24$3c0648e0$b412daa0$@comcast.net>
References: <12301CE0-1B08-4E46-A382-7E835CA579CD.ref@aol.com>
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i have a special con-rod re-sizing machine, its not a hone, but a grinder,
so we can get them perfect. Most production rods are honed and thats good
enough for most applications, but not if you are chasing perfection. Also,
hand honing on a machine designed for general applications like brake
cylinders etc , can be a disaster as they can looks good, but actually be
barrel shaped

Terry



On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:

> I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm
> motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to
>
> set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was
> going by )
>
> If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the
> wrist pins sized or at least checked.
>
> I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the
> big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.
>
> jim g
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Enquiries Road &
> Track via Fot
> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
> *To:* Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
> *Cc:* Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
>
>
>
> yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines,
> never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found
> with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly
> honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few
> hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the
> bolts were really ARP, or just copies
>
>
>
> i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets ,
> including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you
> want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities
> like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real
> oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its
> obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for
> mom and dad shopping carts
>
>
>
> Terry
>
> Australia
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP
> bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
> Phil Gott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sat Sep 19 03:41:59 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 05:41:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
In-Reply-To: <CA+UW8b0XXmBBV1cXwrJT11btJKLV-kdqXPOi5kMDr2B01OaH2w@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks everyone!
Good advice! Buy them, have the big ends checked for roundness and small end sized for the wrist pins I will install and then use them.
Regards,
Phil


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Enquiries Road & Track <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote:
> 
> ?
> i have a special con-rod re-sizing machine, its not a hone, but a grinder, so we can get them perfect. Most production rods are honed and thats good enough for most applications, but not if you are chasing perfection. Also, hand honing on a machine designed for general applications like brake cylinders etc , can be a disaster as they can looks good, but actually be barrel shaped
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jim Gray <toodamnfunky at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I?ve used them for 10 years with no problems. That said I run a 6200 rpm motor but have had it to 7K when I forgot to
>> 
>> set a rev limiter and had a screeching 914/6 right next to me. ( as I was going by )
>> 
>> If your going to use them have the big ends checked for round and the wrist pins sized or at least checked.
>> 
>> I didn?t have any problem but I did hear a report from someone that the big ends on theirs weren?t perfectly round but correctable.
>> 
>> jim g
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Enquiries Road & Track via Fot
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 3:37 PM
>> To: Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
>> Cc: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Maxpeedingrods
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> yes, we used quite a few sets in our engine shop for high HP jap engines, never triumph. quality seems reasonable. the only on-going issue we found with cheap chinese rods like this is the big end tunnel is imperfectly honed. it was not uncommon to have to re-size them. in fact we did a few hundred for one importer at one time. we were never able to confirm if the bolts were really ARP, or just copies
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> i know of a factory in Taiwan that lists thousands of different sets , including various TR rods, and will brand them with whatever name/logo you want. their wholesale price is typcially US$45/rod, bought in quantities like 50. They will provide steel specs if asked. They have some real oddities , like 1mm longer or shorter for various applications, so its obvious they make for performance applications, not just replacement for mom and dad shopping carts
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Terry
>> 
>> Australia
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 3:58 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone used these? They look like Carrillo knockoffs. 4340 steel, ARP bolts, shotpeened. Priced right.
>> Phil Gott
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 08:51:26 2020
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:51:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
Message-ID: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>

I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a
TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.

Thanks,

Brad
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From jeffreykelley at charter.net  Mon Sep 21 09:10:44 2020
From: jeffreykelley at charter.net (Jeff Kelley)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:10:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
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The aluminum sump was available from Triumph as early as TR2s.  Below is the page from factory parts catalog. 

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Jeff Kelley

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brad
> <20200921_100107x.jpg>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 09:50:37 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:50:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c77b33e-2714-5a89-a7c9-89fa10ae3887@gmail.com>

Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased 
from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just 
checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
TeriAnn

On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the 
> bottom flange.?? At one time I thought someone told me that it was an 
> original Triumph produced go fast part.?? This particular sump came 
> from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Sep 21 09:53:32 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:53:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLG40f-yd+R1_-UM1VOBCLCUC+e=oxrGd_mwYJ7bbZHUmg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <181E5C0916504920A2183993056FFF1C@VlackTK121647>

I have an original installed on my street 1966 4A

From: Brad Kahler via Fot 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:51 AM
To: Friends of Triumph 
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318

I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s. 

Thanks,

Brad


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From vfracing at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 10:29:13 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
In-Reply-To: <181E5C0916504920A2183993056FFF1C@VlackTK121647>
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I ran one on my TR4A race car until I found the bottom fins being ground away by the pavement. Faced with the choice of raising the car or removing the sump, I opted for the latter. Still have it collecting dust. I could be persuaded to sell it if anyone is interested....
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have an original installed on my street 1966 4A
>  
> From: Brad Kahler via Fot
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 10:51 AM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
>  
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.  This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Brad
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 10:30:44 2020
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:30:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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Thanks all for the replies.  And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually
trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or
aftermarket, I just worded it poorly.  Considering it's age I'm guessing
it's an original.

For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it was,
which is why I was trying to find out more information about it.

Thanks!

Brad

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <
fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased
> from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just
> checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
> TeriAnn
>
> On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
>
> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
> bottom flange.?  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
> original Triumph produced go fast part.?  This particular sump came from a
> TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
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From kaskastner at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 10:38:53 2020
From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:38:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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Back in the 50's the aluminum cast oil pan was an important piece .  In
those days we were not allowed an oil cooler and the pan had more capacity
and it also did a little cooling, but it also strengthened the block.  The
casting is thick and helped stabilize the Tr-3 block.  Valuable part in
days gone by. I admit I did grind the bottom of the pan on the track in
races but always used it for the cooling of the oil benefit (more due to
increased capacity than anything else)

*Never be beaten by equipment.*


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:31 AM Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks all for the replies.  And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually
> trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or
> aftermarket, I just worded it poorly.  Considering it's age I'm guessing
> it's an original.
>
> For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it
> was, which is why I was trying to find out more information about it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased
>> from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just
>> checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days.
>> TeriAnn
>>
>> On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
>>
>> I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the
>> bottom flange.?  At one time I thought someone told me that it was an
>> original Triumph produced go fast part.?  This particular sump came from a
>> TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brad
>>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Sep 21 11:16:04 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:16:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
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On 9/21/20 9:29 AM, Phil Gott via Fot wrote:
> I ran one on my TR4A race car until I found the bottom fins being 
> ground away by the pavement. Faced with the choice of raising the car 
> or removing the sump, I opted for the latter.
British Frame and Engine offers a shorter version for people just like you.
> Still have it collecting dust. I could be persuaded to sell it if 
> anyone is interested....
> Phil Gott



From billdentin at aol.com  Mon Sep 21 15:38:32 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:38:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Cast oil sump - 301318
References: <1978326840.4943117.1600724312929.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1978326840.4943117.1600724312929@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Kas...
Mike Belfer and Kevin Potter, who prep'd my cars made an alteration to that oil sump (some sort of gravity driven wiper to help?keep the oil moving)
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Monday, September 21, 2020,?Kas Kastner via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

Back in the 50's the?aluminum cast?oil pan was an important piece .? In those days we were not allowed an oil cooler and the pan had more capacity and it also did a little cooling, but it also strengthened the block.? The casting is thick and helped stabilize the Tr-3 block.? Valuable part in days gone by. I admit I did grind the bottom of the pan on the track in races but always used it for the?cooling of the oil benefit?(more due to increased capacity than anything else)

Never be beaten by equipment.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:31 AM Brad Kahler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Thanks all for the replies.? And as TeriAnn points out, I was actually trying to ask a question as to whether the sump was Triumph or aftermarket,?I just worded it poorly.? Considering it's age I'm guessing it's an original.
For those that asked if it was for sale, I guess the best answer is it was, which is why I was trying to find out more information?about it.
Thanks!
Brad
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Was there supposed to be a question? I have your oil pans twin purchased from Ken Gillanders @ British Frame and Engine in late 1980s. Just checked, looks like new ones go for $600 these days. TeriAnn
  
  On 9/21/20 7:51 AM, Brad Kahler via Fot wrote:
  
 I have an old cast aluminum oil sump with part # 301318 cast into the bottom flange.?? At one time I thought someone told me that it was an original Triumph produced go fast part.?? This particular sump came from a TR3 that was last raced in the early to mid 70s. 
  Thanks, 
  Brad  
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From ajamys at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 22 20:02:17 2020
From: ajamys at yahoo.com (alex amys)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 02:02:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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I would like to nominate?Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with a car half finished and 5 times the questions!??
Can i get a second for Mike?mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com

Thanks?
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From jsukey at gmail.com  Tue Sep 22 20:04:50 2020
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 22:04:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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Second!

Jason Sukey

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:02 PM alex amys via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I would like to nominate Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last
> year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about
> building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with
> a car half finished and 5 times the questions!
>
> Can i get a second for Mike?
> mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex Amys
>
>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 05:00:41 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 06:00:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination!
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Second!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
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'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 9:03 PM alex amys via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I would like to nominate Mike Gwizdek to the group. I first met Mike last
> year at Road America's fall vintage event when he had some questions about
> building a GT6 race car. Fast forward one year and he came back to RA with
> a car half finished and 5 times the questions!
>
> Can i get a second for Mike?
> mike_gwizdek at yahoo.com
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex Amys
>
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Sep 23 11:31:15 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:31:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420DA53AE930711A5560E6CE1380@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

I've been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It's 14 feet of "garage" space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

I've been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it's windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck's automatic trailer sway alarm (it's a big baby...).

So I've been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) - and it's what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I'd be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move.

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

Scott (B.)
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 11:40:04 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:40:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I have always run GMC 2500HD pickups until my recent F250 purchase. I have
had no issues towing with the last 2 trucks.  Both were sold with about
180,000 miles on the clock and they were on the original brakes. I don't
tow this way alot but I have a 28" box and I have loaded and carried 2
TR's. That puts it over 10,000 lbs, plus I carry a full pickup truck bed.
I have been wondering if I could downsize to one of the newer 1/2 max tow
trucks that are promoted to handle the weight.

I like the 3/4 ton trucks but gas mileage for the rest of the miles I drive
is a big trade off.

Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:32 PM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
>
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
>
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
>
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Wed Sep 23 11:58:09 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:58:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I don't know the situation now with 1/2 ton diesels, but that would be 
key to my decision. My setup was not that heavy. I towed with an 5.4L 
Expedition, then with a BMW X5 diesel. It made all the difference in the 
world.
 ?- Larry

On 9/23/2020 12:31 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years 
> now.? It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in 
> the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).? All in, full of 
> water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.? I load the trailer so I 
> have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a 
> little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting 
> towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp 
> and 470 ft lb torque. ?I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a 
> sway control strut. ?And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with 
> the extra load. ?Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just 
> fine.? But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, 
> wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway 
> alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super 
> duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. 
> An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs 
> of both trucks.? Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?? Are 
> there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice 
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what 
> I drive all winter.? The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably 
> crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).? 
> Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be 
> taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.? Which is 
> all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be 
> considerable before I would make the move.
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?? Is it worth the move?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
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From curt.johnston at comcast.net  Wed Sep 23 12:16:53 2020
From: curt.johnston at comcast.net (Curt Johnston)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Scott,

I ended up trading a 2017 Chevy 1500 for a 2003 Dodge Ram dually last month.  My wife thought I was crazy, but I found one with just 87k miles and in great shape.  I can now haul both of my cars in a larger trailer.  The older Dodges of that era don't have all the smog equipment or use DEF that kills fuel mileage. 

I thought using a dually as a regular driver would be too impractical.  But around town I get nearly 20 MPG, which is better that the Chevy with the V8.  I targeted Dodges in the year range of 2003 to 2006 and waited until I found one in great shape.  Still cost over $20k however.  But that's better than $60-$70k for a new one that gets 10 miles per gallon.  Newer trucks have higher horsepower, but an engine programmer on an older Cummings diesel gives great results. 

Curt Johnston

>     On 09/23/2020 10:31 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Hi all,
> 
>      
> 
>     I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
> 
>      
> 
>     I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
> 
>      
> 
>     So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
> 
>      
> 
>     The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
> 
>      
> 
>     What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
> 
>      
> 
>     Scott (B.)
> 
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Wed Sep 23 12:46:39 2020
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 13:46:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Towing
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Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
Good luck!

John Frymark

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Its not how fast you can go.. its how fast you can stop if trailer brakes fail. Long grades offer the biggest test. ?Basic rule - never go faster on the down grade??than on the upgrade. ? Diesels with engine retarders are helpful.?

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Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
Good luck!

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Sep 23 13:35:14 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:35:14 +0000 (UTC)
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Never exceed the GCRW of the towing vehicle. ?Insurance companies will not cover if over.?

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Its not how fast you can go.. its how fast you can stop if trailer brakes fail. Long grades offer the biggest test. ?Basic rule - never go faster on the down grade??than on the upgrade. ? Diesels with engine retarders are helpful.?

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Everyone will have an opinion! It?s hard to beat a big diesel if you have a load like yours. I have a 07 F250 2wd camper special with 2000# of truckbed camper pulling 24? enclosed trailer weighing at least 6500# without a sweat, gets 12mpg and sounds like a diesel truck. I also have a 17 F250 FX4 off-road that?s much more ?sophisticated?. (Remember I?m in Texas). Also pulls like like there?s no trailer attached and gets 15+mpg towing. However. 800# tongue weight puts the suspension down on the stops. It needs air lifts if I tow more with it. 
Good luck!

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 23 18:03:40 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 20:03:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 18:43:28 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:43:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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The things I pay attention to are the engine power (rarely a limiting
factor), transmission (if a tow package isn't fitted, expect to change
fluid at least twice as often as recommended; you don't want that fluid to
turn black), brakes (trailer brakes must be kept in excellent condition)
and stated tow limits including the tongue weight limitation and the gross
combined vehicle weight rating.  Remember the up/down, left/right and
fore/aft forces on your hitch are working the mounting points on your tow
vehicle, so towing with a 1/2 ton might mean you have to keep an eagle eye
on loading.  If you use a huge offset on your hitch (I've seen plenty of
lifted trucks using at least a 10" drop) you are significantly increasing
the torque effect of that long arm to the loading on the frame.

The 2007 Toyota Tundra I sold last year was rated at 10,600 towing capacity
and 1060 lb tongue weight (with a load distributing hitch; without one it
drops to 5000/500).  I could see that the frame rails where the hitch
attaches are very thick.  Empty weight on the truck is over 5250 lbs lbs
when completely empty and the GVWR is 6900 so to pull that load the truck
itself must be kept very lightly loaded.  Fuel fuel is 156 lbs.  Add a 180
lb driver and a few travel extras and that leaves a margin of 1300-ish lbs
for tongue weight.

One wants to be pretty accurate with the tongue weight when towing at
the GCVWR (I couldn't find this figure for the Tundra but assume it has to
be well over 15850, otherwise, assuming the trailer weight is 10,600, there
is zero capacity left for driver, fuel, etc.).  How many of us weigh our
total rig, the trailer weight, and just as important, the tongue weight?  I
tried one of those hitch balls with an integral weight scale but it was
junk.  Thankfully the local cotton gin charges very little to weigh
vehicles.  There are some salvage yards not far away from my home that also
will let me use their weighbridge but they always seem a lot busier than
the cotton gin.  You can use the trailer jack to put the hitch at the same
height used while towing if you're going to weigh the trailer tongue
separately.

These days we tow with a 170" WB Sprinter Roadtrek camper van with a
standard body and the 3.0 turbodiesel.  It's rated at 7000/700 lbs. but I
keep that to 6800 max when not traveling solo; however my typical weight
with a race car in the 18' enclosed box trailer is less than 6000.  No
problems so far, but I do change the transmission oil early and I keep an
eye on transmission fluid temperature (using a ScanGauge II that plugs into
the OBD-II terminal) when towing in the mountains.

By the way, I love my little Bluetooth camera on the back of the trailer.
Signal is strong enough and monitor image is fine.  I feel more confident
when returning to the right lane after passing.  The one I bought doesn't
seem to be offered any more but this model is what shows up when I look for
my previous Amazon order:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DW7981G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Duncan

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Curt Johnston via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Scott,
>
> I ended up trading a 2017 Chevy 1500 for a 2003 Dodge Ram dually last
> month.  My wife thought I was crazy, but I found one with just 87k miles
> and in great shape.  I can now haul both of my cars in a larger trailer.
> The older Dodges of that era don't have all the smog equipment or use DEF
> that kills fuel mileage.
>
> I thought using a dually as a regular driver would be too impractical.
> But around town I get nearly 20 MPG, which is better that the Chevy with
> the V8.  I targeted Dodges in the year range of 2003 to 2006 and waited
> until I found one in great shape.  Still cost over $20k however.  But
> that's better than $60-$70k for a new one that gets 10 miles per gallon.
> Newer trucks have higher horsepower, but an engine programmer on an older
> Cummings diesel gives great results.
>
> Curt Johnston
>
> On 09/23/2020 10:31 AM Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
>
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
>
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
>
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
>
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
>
>
> Scott (B.)
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Wed Sep 23 18:48:39 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:48:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 


> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
> 
> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.
> 
> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
> 
> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
> 
> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.
> 
> Just my experience.
> Mike 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
> To: Amici Triumphi 
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>  
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>  
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>  
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
>  
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>  
> Scott (B.)
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From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com  Wed Sep 23 19:55:22 2020
From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 21:55:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)

Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it.

Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy!

 

The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters.

 

Russ

 

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I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 

 

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 

 

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 

 

 

On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 

I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:

I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.

 

It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.

 

Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.

 

And yes, it's my around town daily driver.

 

I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.

 

Just my experience.

Mike 

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
To: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 

Hi all,

 

I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

 

I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).

 

So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

 

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 

 

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

 

Scott (B.)

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A Renault Alpine is not the usual towcar,but it served me well for 240,000kms, and I used it for towing a trailer for some years. At race week-ends, I stowed it full of spares and did sleep in it (the passenger seats were removed). 
It is a A610, with a turbo 3 litres 250 bhp, rear engined and of course rear drive.(same specs as the Porsche911 of that era, only more comfortable and quiet) It was a stable configuration. Once in Germany, the police arrested me for speeding, importing 70 litres of petrol and overtaking where it was not allowed. Only the ovetaking was fined, because the speedometer of their car was not an official device and I had a receipt for the fuel, confirming that it was bought in Germany (Germany has some petrol stations where fuel of 102 RON is sold). 
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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 



An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it) 

Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it. 

Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy! 



The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters. 



Russ 




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Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM 
To: Mike Jackson 
Cc: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 




I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 





But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 





My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 











On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 





I realize everyone has their own preferred answer. That said: 


I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new. Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time. It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled. It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites. 





It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators. I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model. 





Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban. An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds. The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does. 





And yes, it's my around town daily driver. 





I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually. His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer. Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough. 





Just my experience. 


Mike 

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
To: Amici Triumphi 
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 


Hi all, 





I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now. It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area). All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs. I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad. 





I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque. I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut. And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load. Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine. But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?). 





So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance. An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks. Is that enough to make a noticeable difference? Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150? 





The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter. The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume). Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250. Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 





What say you, towing brain trust? Is it worth the move? 





Scott (B.) 


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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Sep 24 07:47:42 2020
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I think we can all agree that an F-250 or F-350 would tow a large load better and more safely than an F-150.  For all sorts of reasons.

I?ve gotten some really good suggestions on how to optimize the capacity of my F-150.  Using the F-150 is, admittedly, a compromise.  But figuring out how to get the most out of its capacity is the point of this thought experiment.

Two suggestions rise to the top of the list.  Ken Knight suggests that I may have my weight distributing hitch set up too tight ? distributing too much of the tongue weight and reducing my tongue weight from about 17.5% to?.well, something less.  That rings true to me.  Knowing that I?m pushing my luck with 1700 pounds of tongue weight on an F-150 (even with max tow package and Air Lift bladders), I tend to put a lot of preload on the spring bars.  With the weight distributed, maybe I don?t have as much tongue weight as I think I do.  That?s going to be my first experiment.

And Paul Ricco suggests I reorganize some of the bed load.  I tend to load five 5-gallon fuel jugs up against the tailgate.  After I try reducing the preload on the distributing hitch spring bars to see what that does, I?ll try reorganizing the load in the bed to move heavier items forward.

And I?ll take the whole rig to a Cat scale and see what I can learn there.

And maybe the right answer is ?get a bigger hammer?.  We?ll see.

Thanks for all the thoughts, guys!   I?ll let you know what I find out.

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To: 'Ponostyle' <ponobill at gmail.com>; 'Mike Jackson' <grandwazoo at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings

An F-350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3L turbo diesel is the hot ticket. I have an ?03 I bought damaged with 16K on it; replaced the front clip and frame and it?s been a great truck since. That was the last year of production for the 7.3 turbo option. Key improvements over a lesser truck are the brakes; axle ratings; suspension. This truck was fully loaded and has been trouble free after sorting a few things out that resulted when it came to a sudden stop prior to my purchase. (but not as sudden as the vehicle ahead of it)
Incredible torque and brakes up to the task. I tow a 24? enclosed dual axle trailer. I also use a 34? Ford based V-10 powered F-550 chassis motorhome when going to races. It?s a ?99 we ordered new and now has only 48K on it. The F-350 now has ~68K on it.
Not cats; no DEF to contend with. I did replace the exhaust w/ a 4?SS system which added power and mpg. Not noisy!

The chassis of the f-350 is treated every year before winter with Fluid Film, a rust preventive lanolin product. Great stuff and one of the few effective defenses against the rust in the Northeast winters.

Russ

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ponostyle via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 8:49 PM
To: Mike Jackson
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings

I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.

But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.

My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.


On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.

It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.

Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.

And yes, it's my around town daily driver.

I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.

Just my experience.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
To: Amici Triumphi
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
Hi all,

I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.

I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).

So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?

The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move.

What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?

Scott (B.)
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Gee, on the one hand I wish I had to worry about towing a 20+ foot 
enclosed trailer, but all I have is a little single axle tilt trailer 
that fits a Spitfire just fine.? And still clinging to the idea that 
I'll get back into racing RealSoonNow I just upgraded my tow vehicle to 
a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder, 6,000 lbs capacity.? More than ample to my 
meager needs.? But back in the IVR days I had an E350 extended van that 
could probably tow a small town to the next county without breaking a 
sweat.? What a beast!

mjb.


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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 08:43:46 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 09:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and
recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have
changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were
virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for
the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works
just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get
better gas mileage.

This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research Fords versus
GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's question got me to
thinking about it. I found this short article which explains the Fords and
there are minor differences between the F250 and F350's as listed below.

In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is
less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I
suppose that an F350 would be harsher.

F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission

Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most
are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows
better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic,
and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t
one. *The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.*
F250 vs F350: Axles

Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle
may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which
is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is
slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel)
F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger
center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years
of the dually receive the Dana 80.
*Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.*You
can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60
<https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
F250 vs F350: Suspension

All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and
standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload
springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a
small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has
stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an
option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with
factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which
lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes
factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a
slightly higher tow rating.

To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block
compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?

Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will consider
the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance and
registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the
case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make
towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly
identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
Bob Kramer


On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial,
> especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my
> Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first
> one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab
> ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world,
> but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in
> and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry)
> and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH
> better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an
> eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to
> Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.
>
> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in
> parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the
> trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t
> a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet,
> put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.
>
> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed
> two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as
> long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that
> helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and
> require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>
> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and
> alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our
> crew cab model.
>
> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or
> lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.
> The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>
> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>
> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I
> should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a
> thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel
> trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with
> broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide
> enough.
>
> Just my experience.
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
> To: Amici Triumphi
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
> the truck, but not too bad.
>
> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>
> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>
> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
> would make the move.
>
> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>
> Scott (B.)
>
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From bownes at web9.com  Thu Sep 24 09:27:12 2020
From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:27:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Interesting discussion as I'm about to put my Avalanche 1500 on the market.

The 1500 Av suited my 16' enclosed trailer well, but the 24' was a bit of a
load. I've downsized the racing effort, gotten rid of the 24', am looking
for a newish 16'x7 to go with my new tow vehicle.

I don't haul big loads like I used to, so something smallish that suits a
<10,000 load and still gets ~20mpg about town, and is suitable for a long
cruise was warranted. Recently just such a vehicle appeared on the radar,
the wife needed new wheels, so we added a multi-purpose vehicle to the
fleet. And you know it tows pretty darn well. I used it to move ~6,000 lbs
of trailer and bridgeport mill after I tore out my Achilles a couple of
weeks ago and it just didn't care. I expect the FV or a Spit/GT6 in the
smaller enclosed trailer will be similar. So, as soon as I can get a
Triumph race car together, I'm hoping you all can make space in the FOT
paddock for us even if the tow vehicle is:

A Porsche. :)

2010 Cayanne with the tow package. There is nothing quite like backing up
to the trailer and hitting the 'raise' button on the suspension settings
and having the ball lift up into the receiver.

Bob


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:48 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and
> recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have
> changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were
> virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for
> the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works
> just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get
> better gas mileage.
>
> This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research
> Fords versus GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's
> question got me to thinking about it. I found this short article which
> explains the Fords and there are minor differences between the F250 and
> F350's as listed below.
>
> In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is
> less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I
> suppose that an F350 would be harsher.
>
> F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission
>
> Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most
> are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows
> better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic,
> and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t
> one. *The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.*
> F250 vs F350: Axles
>
> Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle
> may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which
> is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is
> slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel)
> F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger
> center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years
> of the dually receive the Dana 80.
> *Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.*You
> can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60
> <https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
> F250 vs F350: Suspension
>
> All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and
> standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload
> springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a
> small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has
> stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an
> option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with
> factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which
> lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes
> factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a
> slightly higher tow rating.
>
> To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block
> compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
> F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?
>
> Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will
> consider the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance
> and registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the
> case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make
> towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly
> identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
> Bob Kramer
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial,
>> especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my
>> Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first
>> one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab
>> ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world,
>> but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in
>> and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry)
>> and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH
>> better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an
>> eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to
>> Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block.
>>
>> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me
>> in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the
>> trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t
>> a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet,
>> put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold.
>>
>> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
>> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed
>> two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as
>> long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that
>> helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and
>> require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>>
>> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and
>> alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our
>> crew cab model.
>>
>> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or
>> lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.
>> The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>>
>> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>>
>> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I
>> should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a
>> thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel
>> trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with
>> broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide
>> enough.
>>
>> Just my experience.
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot"
>> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM
>> To: Amici Triumphi
>> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.
>> It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front
>> (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded,
>> it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds
>> of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of
>> the truck, but not too bad.
>>
>> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing
>> capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft
>> lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control
>> strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.
>> Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s
>> windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set
>> off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>>
>> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty
>> would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250
>> is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both
>> trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other
>> factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>>
>> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice
>> street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I
>> drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier
>> mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to
>> mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on
>> another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that
>> the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I
>> would make the move.
>>
>> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From ponobill at gmail.com  Thu Sep 24 09:35:51 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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A friend of mine sold her Tesla model S and bought a 2020 Cayanne Hybrid explicitly to tow a horse trailer. Sounded nuts to me until I read the specs. It?s actually well suited to her use. 

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, robert bownes <bownes at web9.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting discussion as I'm about to put my Avalanche 1500 on the market. 
> 
> The 1500 Av suited my 16' enclosed trailer well, but the 24' was a bit of a load. I've downsized the racing effort, gotten rid of the 24', am looking for a newish 16'x7 to go with my new tow vehicle. 
> 
> I don't haul big loads like I used to, so something smallish that suits a <10,000 load and still gets ~20mpg about town, and is suitable for a long cruise was warranted. Recently just such a vehicle appeared on the radar, the wife needed new wheels, so we added a multi-purpose vehicle to the fleet. And you know it tows pretty darn well. I used it to move ~6,000 lbs of trailer and bridgeport mill after I tore out my Achilles a couple of weeks ago and it just didn't care. I expect the FV or a Spit/GT6 in the smaller enclosed trailer will be similar. So, as soon as I can get a Triumph race car together, I'm hoping you all can make space in the FOT paddock for us even if the tow vehicle is:
> 
> A Porsche. :)
> 
> 2010 Cayanne with the tow package. There is nothing quite like backing up to the trailer and hitting the 'raise' button on the suspension settings and having the ball lift up into the receiver. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 10:48 AM Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> I bought an F250!  I mentioned that I had a couple of GMC 2500HD's and recently switched to an F250.  I may be mis-informed or possibly they have changed the recipe on newer models, but the GM 2500 and 3500 HD's were virtually identical in every way other than rear axle ratios. I opted for the 3.73 in the 2500 versus the 4.10 in the 3500 because the 3.73 works just fine with 10,000 lbs and I lived under the illusion that I would get better gas mileage.  
> 
> This time around my wife wanted the F250 so I did not research Fords versus GM to find out if they did it the same way, but Bill's question got me to thinking about it. I found this short article which explains the Fords and there are minor differences between the F250 and F350's as listed below.  
> 
> In my comparison of the 2500HD's to the current F250, I find the Ford is less harsh over bumps and wavy pavement making my aging bones happier. I suppose that an F350 would be harsher.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Engine and Transmission
> 
> Both the F250 and the F350 are available with gas or diesel engines. Most are equipped with the diesel because it is more economical and hauls/tows better. Both the F250 and F350 are also available with both an automatic, and manual transmission. So what?s the drivetrain difference? There isn?t one. The F250 and F350 share the exact same drivetrain.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Axles
> 
> Depending on which year you Super Duty you?re looking at, the front axle may be a Dana 50 or Dana 60. Older F250s and F350s use the Dana 50, which is an excellent axle. Newer F250s and F350s use the Dana 60 which is slightly beefier than the Dana 50. All years of the SRW (Single Rear Wheel) F250 and F350 use the Ford/Sterling 10.75. The F350 gets a slightly larger center section, otherwise, it?s the same as the F250?s rear axle. All years of the dually receive the Dana 80. Basically the only difference is the SRW F350?s larger center section.
> You can read more about this in our Dana 44 vs Dana 60 <https://dustrunnersauto.com/dana-44-vs-dana-60/> article.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Suspension
> 
> All years of Super Duty trucks are available with heavy duty springs and standard springs. Both the F250 and the F350 have optional overload springs. The F350?s leaf springs are slightly stiffer, but it?s such a small difference you probably wouldn?t notice on the road. The F350 has stiffer springs up front as standard, the F250 has those same springs as an option. Something that surprised me is that both of these trucks come with factory blocks in the rear. The F250 is equipped with a 2.5? block, which lifts the rear up to help the truck sit level whilst towing. The F350 comes factory with a 4? rear block. The bigger rear block on the F350 gives it a slightly higher tow rating.
> 
> To put it simply, the F350 has marginally stiffer springs, and a 4? block compared to the F250?s 3.5? block.
> 
> F250 vs F350: Which One is Better?
> 
> Something I didn?t mention above is the fact that some states will consider the F350 to be a commercial vehicle. This will make your insurance and registration costs go up. If you live in a state where that is not the case, I would say get an F350. The slightly stiffer springs will make towing a little bit nicer. Prices for both the F250 and F350 are nearly identical, so there?s really no reason not to go with the F350.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:49 PM Ponostyle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> I?d say ?who buys F250?s?? The cost difference for an F350 is trivial, especially if you buy one off the lot instead of ordering. I tow my Airstream toy hauler with mine, it?s the second F350 I?ve owned. My first one developed a serious oil leak that would have required removing the cab ?!!? to fix. I gather that removing the cab is?t the worst job in to world, but all this happened when I needed my truck in a week, so I traded it in and got a 2018 F350. The new one came right off the lot (I was in a hurry) and didn?t have all the fancy shit my previous one had. But it?s a MUCH better truck, though I can?t park it for shit. It?s a twin cab with an eight foot bed. So long, as in REALLY long. I think it?s 22?. Hook it up to Fritz, my 34? Airstream Peyote Hauler, and it?s a solid city block. 
> 
> But the diesel engine is so quiet that people step right in front of me in parking lots?they don?t hear me coming. Weird for a Diesel. Without the trailer I get 19mpg on freeways. With the trailer I get 16 if there aren?t a lot of hills to climb. Keep your foot off the accelerator, or better yet, put it in cruise at 65?and you?re gold. 
> 
> My next truck will be a maxed out cybertruck. 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I realize everyone has their own preferred answer.  That said:
>> I've had our 2000 Ford F350 diesel since it was new.  Heck, we've killed two trailers in that time.  It'll hit 400K miles before the end of 2020 as long as we dont have any more races cancelled.  It has a swaybar hitch that helps but an 18 wheeler passing can still cause it to get a upset and require a bit of opposite lock to keep it between the whites.
>> 
>> It's been quite reliable with the exception of AC systems and alternators.  I now travel with a spare alt behind the rear seat of our crew cab model.
>> 
>> Previous tow vehicle was a Suburban.  An uphill departure from a fuel or lunch stop made a lot of noise but very little movement for a few seconds.  The F350 diesel is like a mule, say "go" and it does.
>> 
>> And yes, it's my around town daily driver.
>> 
>> I recall asking my sales guy when we ordered it from the factory if I should consider a dually.  His reply was that I should only buy such a thing if I liked buying rear fenders or was going to tow a 5th wheel trailer.  Shortly after that I started noticing lots of duallies with broken glass rear fenders from trying to turn in places just not quite wide enough.
>> 
>> Just my experience.
>> Mike 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" 
>> Sent: Sep 23, 2020 1:31 PM 
>> To: Amici Triumphi 
>> Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> I?ve been towing a 24-foot toy-hauler style trailer for a few years now.  It?s 14 feet of ?garage? space in the back and 10 feet of RV in the front (toilet, shower, fridge, kitchen area).  All in, full of water, car loaded, it weighs about 9,500 lbs.  I load the trailer so I have about 1,750 pounds of tongue weight, which is technically a little over the payload limit of the truck, but not too bad.
>>  
>> I?ve been towing with a 2017 F-150, with a max tow package putting towing capacity at about 12,000 lbs. V6 twin turbo EcoBoost with 375hp and 470 ft lb torque.  I use a good weight-distributing hitch and a sway control strut.  And I added Air Lift air suspension to help with the extra load.  Generally speaking, the F-150 has been doing just fine.  But when it?s windy the trailer gets a little tail-happy, wagging enough sometimes to set off the truck?s automatic trailer sway alarm (it?s a big baby?).
>>  
>> So I?ve been trying to determine whether moving up to an F-250 super duty would make an appreciable difference in the towing performance.  An F-250 is 1000-1500 pounds heavier than my F-150, depending on specs of both trucks.  Is that enough to make a noticeable difference?  Are there other factors that would make it that much better than an F-150?
>>  
>> The F-150 with the twin turbo V6 and 10-speed trans makes for a nice street car, with reasonable mileage (about 19 average) ? and it?s what I drive all winter.  The F-250 Super Duty will get considerably crappier mileage and will be a less friendly daily driver (I assume).  Not to mention that my F-150 is pretty close to paid off and I?d be taking on another boatload of debt to move up to the F-250.  Which is all to say that the towing performance improvement would need to be considerable before I would make the move. 
>>  
>> What say you, towing brain trust?  Is it worth the move?
>>  
>> Scott (B.)
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Sep 24 10:53:33 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:53:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings
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Hardy. E type.

mjb.




From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Sep 24 11:15:00 2020
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:15:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOTfUN9W2_67xTd-7=_R3jHWWnm5FfHPx1xDo10TT1tyOg@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies to those who have heard parts of this tale

Long long ago in a galaxy that seems oh so far away there were a few
british cars mailing lists, autocross mailing lists, and a smattering of
others run by our own MJB. One of the splinters was the land rovers mailing
list that included my college friend, garage partner, and  occasional
rallye sweep car partner, Bill Caloccia.

Bill took it upon himself in the very early days of the 'net to register
the 'team.net' domain. Bill was an enthusiast of the first order, driving a
109 coast to coast, owning an 88 pickup, an XR4Ti, always on hand for SCCA
events, VTR events, as well as all the 'family' gatherings we had here with
our good friends for the Jazz festival, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and the
like. When he needed a place to stash the motor out of his '88, I of course
volunteered a corner of the garage.

We lost Bill a few years back unfortunately, but that spare engine sat in
the corner of my garage for years. In the last year I've been working to
divest myself of unfinished projects, junk, and things I'm not using. But
that engine sat untouched. A month or so ago I had an idea and listed the
engine on the FB Marketplace. Last night, a 16 year old young man and his
dad picked up that engine. They are planning on working with a friend to
rebuild it and put it in his *second* 1966 88 Land Rover. The father (who
worked on MGs with his dad) and son took on a running 109 a year ago and
have spent great time getting all the little bits taken care of, and now
they are moving on to full on British Car Madness, having picked up an
engin-less '88 and another 109 for parts to build a complete car from.I
gave him the info to get on the rovers mailing list, told them the story of
Bill, the engine, the long procession of Land Rovers at his funeral
carrying the casket and the flowers, and his friends and LR/racing family.
I can't think of a better place for that engine to go. I feel like we've
just enabled a heart transplant.

But, as I promised myself, and promised my memory of Bill, the money from
that engine was donated this morning to team.net to keep the bits flowing.
Please consider doing the same from time to time, if not for Bill, or for
Mark's sanity, then for all the parents and children handing down
traditions of togetherness.

All the best,
Bob
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Sep 24 12:54:52 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:54:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOTfUN9W2_67xTd-7=_R3jHWWnm5FfHPx1xDo10TT1tyOg@mail.gmail.com>
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Donation done.  Oddly, the donation link doesn?t seem to be appearing at the bottom of the emails anymore.   It?s there on Mark?s recent email on Hardy Prentice, but not others.  Weird.

Nevertheless.  Done.

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of robert bownes via Fot
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:15 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] team.net, fot Bill Caloccia, and donations

Apologies to those who have heard parts of this tale

Long long ago in a galaxy that seems oh so far away there were a few british cars mailing lists, autocross mailing lists, and a smattering of others run by our own MJB. One of the splinters was the land rovers mailing list that included my college friend, garage partner, and  occasional rallye sweep car partner, Bill Caloccia.

Bill took it upon himself in the very early days of the 'net to register the 'team.net<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fteam.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cbde5d4645157415ed86c08d860addaaf%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637365647102094581&sdata=zoYQHxoKRb%2BNWPt3RM0yksfuw4oThGLKZFcRLv2X6a8%3D&reserved=0>' domain. Bill was an enthusiast of the first order, driving a 109 coast to coast, owning an 88 pickup, an XR4Ti, always on hand for SCCA events, VTR events, as well as all the 'family' gatherings we had here with our good friends for the Jazz festival, Thanksgiving, New Year's, and the like. When he needed a place to stash the motor out of his '88, I of course volunteered a corner of the garage.

We lost Bill a few years back unfortunately, but that spare engine sat in the corner of my garage for years. In the last year I've been working to divest myself of unfinished projects, junk, and things I'm not using. But that engine sat untouched. A month or so ago I had an idea and listed the engine on the FB Marketplace. Last night, a 16 year old young man and his dad picked up that engine. They are planning on working with a friend to rebuild it and put it in his second 1966 88 Land Rover. The father (who worked on MGs with his dad) and son took on a running 109 a year ago and have spent great time getting all the little bits taken care of, and now they are moving on to full on British Car Madness, having picked up an engin-less '88 and another 109 for parts to build a complete car from.I gave him the info to get on the rovers mailing list, told them the story of Bill, the engine, the long procession of Land Rovers at his funeral carrying the casket and the flowers, and his friends and LR/racing family. I can't think of a better place for that engine to go. I feel like we've just enabled a heart transplant.

But, as I promised myself, and promised my memory of Bill, the money from that engine was donated this morning to team.net<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fteam.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cbde5d4645157415ed86c08d860addaaf%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637365647102094581&sdata=zoYQHxoKRb%2BNWPt3RM0yksfuw4oThGLKZFcRLv2X6a8%3D&reserved=0> to keep the bits flowing. Please consider doing the same from time to time, if not for Bill, or for Mark's sanity, then for all the parents and children handing down traditions of togetherness.

All the best,
Bob

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Thu Sep 24 15:09:06 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 23:09:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice
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Quoting Mark J. Bradakis : "Hardy . E-type " 

Yes, in Kas Kastners Triumph Preparation Handbook, 
Marcel 


Van: "trbelgium1" <trbelgium1 at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 24 september 2020 22:53:58 
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri Sep 25 02:10:35 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 10:10:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice
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There are some similarities with my Renault Alpine tow car. The Alpine has no homologation for towing, the engine is behind the rear axle. I had to make reinforcements from the rear suspension points onwards. 
Marcel 


Van: "Joe Alexander" <joealexandervintage at gmail.com> 
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 25 september 2020 02:11:17 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Tow Vehicle Musings/Hardy Prentice 

I was at Hardy?s house and he still had the E-Type. He used the cross member/rear transmission mount to reinforce the spare tire pan so he could attach part of the hitch to flat tow the TR3. 
He also took out the back wall of the garage area so the garage extended into the living area. 

He is an extremely interesting person. He used the racing as an antidote to PSTD after his tour in Vietnam. 

Joe Alexander 
4505 Donald Dr 
Cedar Falls, IA 50613 
The-vintage-racer.com 
Gasketinnovations.com 
Cell: 319.464.4711 




On Sep 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 





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Quoting Mark J. Bradakis : "Hardy . E-type " 

Yes, in Kas Kastners Triumph Preparation Handbook, 
Marcel 


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Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 24 september 2020 22:53:58 
Onderwerp: Hardy Prentice 


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