From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Oct  1 15:49:33 2020
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 15:49:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] COTA
Message-ID: <016201d6983c$c020e7d0$4062b770$@hot-tr6.com>

I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by
SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday
the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track
is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap.   I will be driving my TR6 and I am
racing in Group 8.  I'm wondering if any other FOT members will be attending
this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support.  If any
other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Phone 505 362-4350

 



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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:30:59 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 00:30:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Testing
Message-ID: <002001d69842$89cdd5c0$9d698140$@gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

 

this year was a race fee year for me..but there was an opportunity to test
stuff..so I did.

https://youtu.be/4ZtOv89FQy8

 

Unfortunately the CanAm racer didn't like my testing when I lapped him.

 

Cheers

Chris

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu Oct  1 17:34:06 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 18:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] COTA
In-Reply-To: <016201d6983c$c020e7d0$4062b770$@hot-tr6.com>
References: <016201d6983c$c020e7d0$4062b770$@hot-tr6.com>
Message-ID: <4FBD156F-5D05-457F-932C-854EEFCE4257@icloud.com>

Walt,

We live about 45 minutes west of the track. I have full shop and can hack most things together. I should be around that weekend and maybe at the track doing tech. 

You can call me for support tools or even a beer if needed. Also have spare bedroom if you are looking for a place to crash. 

Greg

512-917-3880

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> On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap.   I will be driving my TR6 and I am racing in Group 8.  I?m wondering if any other FOT members will be attending this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support.  If any other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.
> Walter Hollowell
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
> Phone 505 362-4350
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From billdentin at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 19:45:56 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] COTA
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I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap. ??I will be driving my TR6 and I am racing in Group 8. ?I?m wondering if any other FOT members will be attending this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support. ?If any other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Phone 505 362-4350

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 15:12:36 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 21:12:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB45149DCACBB7CF059F40D69FBA0F0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I am in need of a cable style Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal assembly. Anybody have one in their parts pile?

Thanks,
Marty Sukey
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From candjmiller236 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 16:31:17 2020
From: candjmiller236 at yahoo.com (Judi & Craig Miller)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 22:31:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Gas pedal
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Marty,Is this what you need?
Craig

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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct  5 09:41:22 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 09:41:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB45149DCACBB7CF059F40D69FBA0F0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB45149DCACBB7CF059F40D69FBA0F0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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On 10/4/20 3:12 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote:
> I am in need of a cable style Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal assembly. Anybody 
> have one in their parts pile?


I probably have one on the rotting hulk I plan to cut up and scrap, 
hopefully somebody has one more readily available.


So I have to retell this story.? Back in the days when I actively 
autocrossed with the Utah Region SCCA, we procured a new site, the big E 
Center arena parking lot.? Pugs and I had just finished Killer the year 
before, only had a few events with the car thus far, including an IVR 
hillclimb.? Being a two driver car, things were such that for our first 
event at the new site, I was the very first driver to take to the 
course.? Every eye on site is watching me.


Up to the staging line. Green flag drops.? With the gearing and tires on 
Killer at that time, first gear was good for 20 - 25 feet. I lift for 
the shift to second gear, hit the throttle and nothing happens.? The 
engine is just purring at idle.? I cut through the cones, go through the 
finish gate to stop the clock and idle over to the side.


Turns out the ferrule on the end of the throttle cable, where it goes 
through the pedal assembly, had frayed off.? A quick fix was to get the 
cable through the steel rod, clamp a small pair of needle nose 
Vice-Grips onto it, hang the vise grips with some baling wire.? I 
thought I had a picture of the setup somewhere, no luck finding it at 
the moment.


Anyway, the Vice-Grips & baling wire hack lasted all season, finally got 
around to replacing the cable while going over the car during the winter.


Back to the event.? While fussing with Killer, Pugs and I decide we 
should move the car a bit more to the side, as I stopped pretty close to 
the finish gate.? So we push it about 10 feet further away.? And right 
about the time we do that, another two driver car finishes the course.? 
It was Harriet in the family BSP Corvette. No broken throttle for her, 
the opposite problem.? She kept accelerating the the finish, ended up 
hitting Abe's F250 pickup broadside about 100 feet from the lights, 
pushing it sideway about 10 feet.? Big bang, it was.


Yep, quite a festive way to break in a new site.


mjb.



From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 06:45:00 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 08:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Valve Shape: room for improvement?
References: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C@aol.com>

?Does anyone know why the 5/16 stem exhaust valve flares out in a cone shape to the valve head instead of maintaining the stem diameter diameter all the way to the head? I am thinking that there could be a gain if we can find a valve of correct dimensions without that flare.
Phil Gott



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Subject: [Fot] Fot member dropped off list
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 09:33:06 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 10:33:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Valve Shape: room for improvement?
In-Reply-To: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C@aol.com>
References: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C.ref@aol.com>
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I don't have definite engineering knowledge but I suspect there is more
than one reason for this.  Increasing the mass of the valve head near the
transition to the stem may have to do with heat transfer and resistance to
distortion, but I suspect the exiting flow of exhaust gas may determine the
shape as well.

You could reduce the overall mass by using smaller-diameter stems.

Duncan

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 7:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know why the 5/16 stem exhaust valve flares out in a cone
> shape to the valve head instead of maintaining the stem diameter diameter
> all the way to the head? I am thinking that there could be a gain if we can
> find a valve of correct dimensions without that flare.
> Phil Gott
>
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 09:39:11 2020
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:39:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
References: <1059261656.2339488.1601998751283.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1059261656.2339488.1601998751283@mail.yahoo.com>

All,Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group...Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well.
Thanks much!
Jake?
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue Oct  6 14:03:28 2020
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:03:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
In-Reply-To: <1059261656.2339488.1601998751283@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1059261656.2339488.1601998751283@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2C52A653-CF9E-4BC8-8B9D-1C640DF1FCE7@wi.rr.com>

I use Goodparts, Richard Good.
The exhaust pipe design is important too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> All,
> Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group...
> Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well.
> 
> Thanks much!
> 
> Jake 
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  7 02:59:10 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 09:59:10 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Valve profile
Message-ID: <007501d69c88$1f7ed760$5e7c8620$@btinternet.com>

The 'tulip' shape we see in our standard Triumph valves, and most other
production valves, has been in use and developed since poppet valves were
invented.     It provides a smooth flow through the valve under maximum flow
conditions.
The "penny-on-a-stick" profile is a development of that, and does allow
better flow when the valve is  partly open, so improving overall flow
especially under severe operation conditions, high revs and when the valve
seat has been purposely made shallow.     

But few Triumph drivers will use their car in this way, and will not benefit
from such mods.     Moreover, the combustion chamber shape suffers from the
valves being close to the wall, which inhibits flow, so that valve modifying
can have only a limited benefit.
Go for it if you like experimenting, but a lot of other mods may be needed
to see a benefit, if any.
John

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Wed Oct  7 03:02:39 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 11:02:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
In-Reply-To: <2C52A653-CF9E-4BC8-8B9D-1C640DF1FCE7@wi.rr.com>
References: <1059261656.2339488.1601998751283@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <44234676.49831481.1602061359230.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

The exhausts of Tony Law (TLE) are often used. It is a 6 into 3 into 1 design and seems to work well. They are relatively easy to fit. But of course there are other exhaust systems that are performing well. 
Marcel. 


Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Aan: "Erik Jacobsen" <kekjacobsen at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Dinsdag 6 oktober 2020 22:03:28 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers 

I use Goodparts, Richard Good. 
The exhaust pipe design is important too. 

Sent from my iPhone 



On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 





BQ_BEGIN

All, 
Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group... 
Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well. 

Thanks much! 

Jake 
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct  7 11:14:56 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 11:14:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve profile
In-Reply-To: <007501d69c88$1f7ed760$5e7c8620$@btinternet.com>
References: <007501d69c88$1f7ed760$5e7c8620$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d69ccd$6167a720$2436f560$@comcast.net>

The Penny on the stick valves can be purchased through British Frame &
Engine. The combustion chamber does suffer from Shrouding around the valves.

On the head shown in the pictures I did what I could to De-Shroud them but
you can only go so far due to the bore diameter.
I did a lot of flow testing on this head with clay mock ups in the ports and
combustion chamber. What you don't see is a Lot of welding and re-shaping in
the 
exhaust valve pockets to reduce that right angle turn the port takes to
exit.
jim g

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Davies via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 2:59 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Valve profile

The 'tulip' shape we see in our standard Triumph valves, and most other
production valves, has been in use and developed since poppet valves were
invented.     It provides a smooth flow through the valve under maximum flow
conditions.
The "penny-on-a-stick" profile is a development of that, and does allow
better flow when the valve is  partly open, so improving overall flow
especially under severe operation conditions, high revs and when the valve
seat has been purposely made shallow.     

But few Triumph drivers will use their car in this way, and will not benefit
from such mods.     Moreover, the combustion chamber shape suffers from the
valves being close to the wall, which inhibits flow, so that valve modifying
can have only a limited benefit.
Go for it if you like experimenting, but a lot of other mods may be needed
to see a benefit, if any.
John

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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 13:51:59 2020
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:51:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] [Mgs] threadlocker red
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 Hi Dan.? Reminds me of my brother who lives in California where they are pretty strict about those things.? He bought a new 1985 Honda Civic when he moved to CA and took a job there.? He has driven this car to work every day since (about a 30 mile commute each way).? His car now has something over 400,000 miles on it, and he has never had any major failures (engine, trans, rear end etc.)? Recently when he took it in for inspection, the cat convertor was bad and it wouldn't pass the emissions test.? He tried all over town (San Francisco area) to locate a new one and nobody carried them.? So, he asked me about used ones.? I suggested he try Ebay, and sure enough, he found a guy who lives within about 50 miles from him who specializes in restoring/maintaining '85/86 Honda Civics.? And, he of course, had a good used one.? True story.
Jack

    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 7:40:58 AM EDT, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 LOL, this is true! I've been working on cleaning?up the garage since my '76B has been in the shop, and came across some parts for it that I'd been holding on to for some reason, for years. Yesterday, I advertised a couple of Rostyles, an OEM jack, an oil pan and an exhaust downpipe. Guy contacted me about the down pipe and asked whether?I had the catalytic converter. I did, but didn't advertise it as I understand?that you're not supposed to sell used cats. It was actually in a garbage bag in preparation for getting tossed with the other trash Friday morning. He didn't want the pipe but I sold him the catcon!
Dan D'76B (in shop), '65BCentral NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:55 AM PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:

"If you haven't found a use for something yet you haven't kept it long enough"?If you can exchange it i.e. not have to pay again for the right stuff then fair enough.??
 ----- Original Message -----  
  
I accidentally bought some red thread locker.? I?m pretty sure I don?t want to use it and I plan on exchanging it for some blue.

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From afterapex at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 14:16:46 2020
From: afterapex at gmail.com (greg powell)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 13:16:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Mgs] threadlocker red
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My understanding of the rules (at least in CA) is that shops will not install a used Cat because the State wants to discourage the market for theft from cars.

I had a used Cat installed by a shop with the understanding it was because I needed to replace the pipe and muffler downstream.

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan.  Reminds me of my brother who lives in California where they are pretty strict about those things.  He bought a new 1985 Honda Civic when he moved to CA and took a job there.  He has driven this car to work every day since (about a 30 mile commute each way).  His car now has something over 400,000 miles on it, and he has never had any major failures (engine, trans, rear end etc.)  Recently when he took it in for inspection, the cat convertor was bad and it wouldn't pass the emissions test.  He tried all over town (San Francisco area) to locate a new one and nobody carried them.  So, he asked me about used ones.  I suggested he try Ebay, and sure enough, he found a guy who lives within about 50 miles from him who specializes in restoring/maintaining '85/86 Honda Civics.  And, he of course, had a good used one.  True story.
> 
> Jack
> 
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 7:40:58 AM EDT, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> LOL, this is true! I've been working on cleaning up the garage since my '76B has been in the shop, and came across some parts for it that I'd been holding on to for some reason, for years. Yesterday, I advertised a couple of Rostyles, an OEM jack, an oil pan and an exhaust downpipe. Guy contacted me about the down pipe and asked whether I had the catalytic converter. I did, but didn't advertise it as I understand that you're not supposed to sell used cats. It was actually in a garbage bag in preparation for getting tossed with the other trash Friday morning. He didn't want the pipe but I sold him the catcon!
> 
> Dan D
> '76B (in shop), '65B
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
> 
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:55 AM PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>> wrote:
> "If you haven't found a use for something yet you haven't kept it long enough"
>  
> If you can exchange it i.e. not have to pay again for the right stuff then fair enough.
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> I accidentally bought some red thread locker.  I?m pretty sure I don?t want to use it and I plan on exchanging it for some blue.
> 
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 02:57:24 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 09:57:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Race headers.
Message-ID: <01e901d69d51$0aa95670$1ffc0350$@btinternet.com>

Because the six has three pairs of pistons, moving in synch, but 360 degrees
out for ignition timing (EG No.1 on firing stroke, when No.6 is drawing
charge into the cylinder) a 6-2-1 design receives impulses into the
secondaries at irregular intervals.    A 6-3-1 gets an impulse regularly.
This impulse will be reflected back to the other of the pair, and if the
primary is the correct length, that impulse will be in its negative phase
when the exhaust valve opens.      This will improve flow out of the
cylinder, so that this design is called a "scavenger" or "extractor".    

The length of primary is critical.    The enclosed diagram refers to inlet
tuning but the same applies to exhaust manifolds.    As can be seen, the
usual length of 17-19" will boost extraction and power in the mid range,
where it will be most useful for a road car.    An out and out race engine
builder might consider longer, to gain at the top end.

For such pure race engines, 6-1 manifolds may be considered.     Look at any
F1 engine, or at the extraordinary manifold built by Gareth Thomas - see
enclosed.

John





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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 03:25:31 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 10:25:31 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Race Headers
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Very interesting, Jim, thank you for sharing your experience and pics!

Deshrouding by grinding into the squish area risks losing that effect, and
leaves a greater circumference of the valve still shrouded by the chamber
walls.
A while ago, I happened to acquire a head which someone had deshrouded by
grinding those walls around the valve, opposite the squish, without
encroaching on the bore diameter.
This looked most innovative and potentially an advantage, but in use was a
disaster!     The head persistently blew its gaskets!   I presume that the
thinner face around the bore had become less rigid and allowed the edge to
flex and leak.

John

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Oct  8 04:54:18 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:54:18 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Race headers.
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over the decades, Ive used a few different 6:3:1 designs and experimented
with all the published formula for length and pipe diameter,
 and found little (if any) measurable differences on my race cars

each one has its own unique sound but i cant say any one of them was "jsut
right"

maybe ive never managed to find the exact right combo of engine internal
design and exhaust design

i have noticed that pipes that turn sharply down where the exit from the
head sure dont work. the "best' result seems to be when the flow is more
towards the floor of the exhaust pipe and continues straight out from the
head a few inches before falling downwards

primary pipe lengths more like 22" seem to be better on race engines, but
as others have said, slightly shorter on road cars. some designs with
really short primarlies like those sold by Moss years ago, were no better
than factory cast-iron manifolds

terry
Australia


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 6:58 PM John Davies via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Because the six has three pairs of pistons, moving in synch, but 360
> degrees
> out for ignition timing (EG No.1 on firing stroke, when No.6 is drawing
> charge into the cylinder) a 6-2-1 design receives impulses into the
> secondaries at irregular intervals.    A 6-3-1 gets an impulse regularly.
> This impulse will be reflected back to the other of the pair, and if the
> primary is the correct length, that impulse will be in its negative phase
> when the exhaust valve opens.      This will improve flow out of the
> cylinder, so that this design is called a "scavenger" or "extractor".
>
> The length of primary is critical.    The enclosed diagram refers to inlet
> tuning but the same applies to exhaust manifolds.    As can be seen, the
> usual length of 17-19" will boost extraction and power in the mid range,
> where it will be most useful for a road car.    An out and out race engine
> builder might consider longer, to gain at the top end.
>
> For such pure race engines, 6-1 manifolds may be considered.     Look at
> any
> F1 engine, or at the extraordinary manifold built by Gareth Thomas - see
> enclosed.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri Oct  9 08:10:27 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 07:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage
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https://youtu.be/rrs2cBBpL2s 

Greetings FOT:

If you have not found Steve's Garage on YouTube you are in for a treat!
Steve is FOT's own Steve Belfer who races the TR-3 his dad raced in the 60's
when Steve was growing up.  Relax, enjoy and subscribe to his channel as it
is great fun.

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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:10:30 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 10:10:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
Message-ID: <CAGctxs5tLTkzVUir74PpU8uMJUh9Apnpd1GNx8hi+3AkJPmsog@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other
Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom
Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.

Cheers,
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 11 12:01:39 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:01:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
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Well done guys and congrats Mr Sargis

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
> 
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 12:07:04 2020
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:07:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
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Yes, Bravo Zulu & Congrats!


> On Oct 11, 2020, at 14:04, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Well done guys and congrats Mr Sargis
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Doug Mitchell
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 12:21:22 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:21:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
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The one SCCA race that I can recall racing with Steve Sargis was a few years ago at a Thompson Majors race.  I was in EP with my S2000.  Steve had the pole and finished first overall.  He was wicked fast.  Usually EP and FP cars are faster than HP cars, but that was not the case by far.  Congrats Steve.  JoeB

Sent from my iPhone

> 
> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
>> 
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>> Doug Mitchell
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:28:49 2020
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 11:28:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
Message-ID: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 

Ken Gano. 



Sent from my iPad

From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct 13 10:42:07 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 12:42:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
In-Reply-To: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8899539D6C924F439ED42DDCECF20D6B@VlackTK121647>

RIP Michael.

I always read his emails and posts to our lists. As you say his comments 
were always well thought through and very accurate. I noticed that not many 
recent comments were posted. Sad to hear this news. None of us are getting 
any younger and none of us are immortal.

JVV

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ken Gano via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:28 PM
To: Listserv Triumph ; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a 
long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week 
ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM.

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not 
been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home 
twice.

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points 
and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or 
saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely.

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. 
He will be sorely missed.

Ken Gano.



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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Oct 13 10:57:53 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 16:57:53 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
In-Reply-To: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>
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Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

Bye Michael.



-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Gano via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:29 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 

Ken Gano. 



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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Oct 13 11:08:45 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
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Thanks for sharing the sad news. I never met him but he sounds like a very kind and knowledgeable person. A nice part of the  FOT legacy.
Phil

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> On Oct 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
> 
> Bye Michael.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Gano via Fot
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:29 AM
> To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 
> 
> About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 
> 
> I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 
> 
> Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 
> 
> Ken Gano. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:13:35 2020
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Obituary
References: <18AA13C6-091C-4F97-83C2-4865A5DEC807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCDBCAAC-C0F9-448E-A7B2-080D8BF06A40@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Brenna Bihler <brenna.bihler at gmail.com>
> Date: October 16, 2020 at 6:40:13 AM CDT
> To: Ken Gano <1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com>
> Subject: Obituary
> 
> ?Hi Ken. The official one will be published in the Roswell Daily Record Sunday, but wanted to share this with you. This was in Hawaii when he was in the Army. 
> 
> Take Care, Brenna
> 
> 
>> ?
>> Michael David Porter, 73, of Roswell, NM, passed away Sunday, October 11, 2020
>> 
>> Michael was born July 26, 1947, in San Antonio, oTexas, the son of the late John David and Joy Marie (Brokaw) Porter. 
>> 
>> After serving in the U.S. Army, he received his master's degree in English from Western Michigan University. He worked in several different fields, including teaching and technical writing.
>> He was a patient problem solver, and a voracious reader of history and politics. He loved a good game of Scrabble, long conversations, and good wine. Restoring vintage Triumph cars was a lifelong passion. 
>> 
>> He is survived by his daughter, Brenna Bihler, her husband Jason, and granddaughter Bella, of Nashville, TN, along with siblings John Porter of Foxboro, MA, Dennis Porter of Framingham, MA, Kelley (Brian) Smith of Stow, MA, and Peggy (Ralph Colelli) Porter of Wilmington, NC. He also leaves nieces and nephews, grandnieces and grandnephews, and cousins. In addition to his parents, he was predeceased by his beloved daughter, Catherine Porter. He was loved, and will be missed.
>> 
>> 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Oct 16 09:13:51 2020
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:13:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
In-Reply-To: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>
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Michael came to Albuquerque and photographed the epic road race in 2000.  Epic as he was able to record all the awesome wipeouts that were happening all over the track.  I will miss him and am sorry to hear of this loss.

Henry Morrison

Salt Lake City, UT


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________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Ken Gano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:28 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM.

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice.

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely.

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed.

Ken Gano.



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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 17 19:58:31 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:58:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher?
Message-ID: <c2742cd4-5993-0b7a-060d-87db62c5b791@bradakis.com>

I've been wondering about the 2020 Kastner Cup shirts I ordered, haven't 
heard back from Ted S.? Just busy, health problems, or ???

mjb.



From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 18 16:15:52 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear hub bearings
Message-ID: <E7BDD9B6-22AC-4DCB-9DF8-9F04D6F85FC3@icloud.com>

Does anyone have the Timken numbers for the bearing and race for the stock late style TR3 rear axle hubs?  Rebuilding one for my son?s car and have all the differential bearings, but need to source new bearings for the hubs. 

Thanks. 

Greg

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 18 19:18:30 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear hub bearings
In-Reply-To: <E7BDD9B6-22AC-4DCB-9DF8-9F04D6F85FC3@icloud.com>
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Thanks everyone for the responses. 

They are:
Timken bearing is #2585
Timken race is #2523

I?ve ordered them from RockAuto

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone have the Timken numbers for the bearing and race for the stock late style TR3 rear axle hubs?  Rebuilding one for my son?s car and have all the differential bearings, but need to source new bearings for the hubs. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Greg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Oct 20 16:48:04 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 22:48:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs video is up!
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB342048289BB3B33BA2A792C0E11F0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>


https://www.scca.com/videos?categories=scca-2020-runoffs
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 21:57:55 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 22:57:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs video is up!
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR15MB342048289BB3B33BA2A792C0E11F0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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Wow! Steve Sargis in HP looked great narrowly dodging that first lap wreck and cruising on to the championship. And the other two Spitfires went the distance too, very impressive.

... and by my math this year starts Triumph?s 8th decade at the front of the pack.

Dusty Nicholson 
1955 TR3 EP #72

> On Oct 20, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
> https://www.scca.com/videos?categories=scca-2020-runoffs
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:04:09 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 07:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.

Chuck Gee

From steve at artwithcars.com  Wed Oct 21 09:12:17 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
 =?utf-8?q?_in_November=3F?=
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I?m racing.  New motor installed. We?ll see how it holds together!

Steve Belfer




> On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:14 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From alanb at alanberrydesign.com  Wed Oct 21 10:53:06 2020
From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:53:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
	=?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I
will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck.
Vittesse or Spitfire?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:12:46 2020
From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:12:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
	=?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I will likely not be racing, I have my Air Force Reserve weekend those
days, but I will still probably come down and say hello!
Looking forward to seeing you guys

Jon Wright

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:54 AM Alan Berry via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I
> will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck.
> Vittesse or Spitfire?
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:28:49 2020
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 19:28:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 
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Do a low flight over the track :)

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Jonathan Wright via Fot
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2020 19:13
An: Alan Berry <alanb at alanberrydesign.com>
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Who?s racing with VARA at Willow Springs in November?

 

I will likely not be racing, I have my Air Force Reserve weekend those days, but I will still probably come down and say hello! 

Looking forward to seeing you guys 

 

Jon Wright 

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:54 AM Alan Berry via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck. Vittesse or Spitfire?

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Oct 21 11:42:18 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:42:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 
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Ill come as a spectator. ??

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 On?Wednesday, October 21, 2020,?Steven Belfer via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

I?m racing.? New motor installed. We?ll see how it holds together!

Steve Belfer




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> 
> ?I am!? Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 21:58:57 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:58:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
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The Vitesse.  Still building a new spitfire motor.

Thanks,

Chuck

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Alan Berry <alanb at alanberrydesign.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck. Vittesse or Spitfire?
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 23:00:13 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Race videos from Blackhawk last weekend
Message-ID: <b7f89ebb-a799-ee8d-7308-967a1833da57@tonydrews.com>

Best video first - race 3, great dice with a spridget at the end, I end 
up victorious although not entirely by my own merits:

https://youtu.be/-Y6VSQKr9SE

Race 1, rain race which I also won:

https://youtu.be/VPtVDNUlbhM

Race 2, drying track, came in 2nd - shortened due to a Volvo gone turtle:

https://youtu.be/wPoI4kOD9JE

Cheers, Tony Drews


From walt at hot-tr6.com  Fri Oct 23 18:23:08 2020
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 18:23:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
Message-ID: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>

I'm racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire
pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7
wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier
TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi
front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don't want the pressures to exceed
34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have
recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?

 

Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico



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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:42:24 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 20:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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Walt,

We expect you to break Lewis Hamilton?s lap record on your new tires and wheels...

:-)

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>  
> Thanks as usual,
> Walt Hollowell
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 19:27:24 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and
end up with ~30 all round.

mike h

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire
> pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7
> wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some
> Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at
> 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to
> exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have
> recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>
>
>
> Thanks as usual,
>
> Walt Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Oct 23 21:36:19 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 03:36:19 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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Hoosier usually publishes recommendations for each of their tires.

Scott (B)

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:27:24 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question

Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.

mike h

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?



Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 02:42:08 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:42:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR15MB34205188E656BB0E8420CBFEE11B0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>
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Walt,
On the TDR?s on our TR4?s Dad and I have found it best to end up around 30 psi hot. ?They get really greasy above that. ? We start with a mix of 24-25 psi cold. ? I started at 23 last time at Thompson. ? I say a mix of pressures as we typically run opposite pressures higher/lower by 1 psi based on the different diffs at the rear of the cars; welded vs quaife. ?
Hope that helps!

Dave Gott
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, October 23, 2020, 11:37 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hoosier usually publishes recommendations for each of their tires.

Scott (B)

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:27:24 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question?Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
mike h
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?

?

Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From steveadams55 at sky.com  Sat Oct 24 02:56:28 2020
From: steveadams55 at sky.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:56:28 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
> 
> mike h
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks as usual,
>> 
>> Walt Hollowell
>> 
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>> 
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From steveadams55 at sky.com  Sat Oct 24 02:58:32 2020
From: steveadams55 at sky.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:58:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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The first line should read   In the cold and wet UK.  I run these pressures all weathers as there is never that much variance in the UK. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 09:56, Steve Adams <steveadams55 at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
>> 
>> mike h
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks as usual,
>>> 
>>> Walt Hollowell
>>> 
>>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>>> 
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 24 03:14:54 2020
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 12:14:54 +0300
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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References: <AD4E1ED2-5184-4172-B996-3980492E660F@sky.com>
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Hi Steve, 

I used to run my Yokohama?s at 20 front, 21 rear psi in the dry/warm (never really hot in the UK) on my TR6 and 23-24 in the wet with my rear anti roll-bar disconnected?these settings were after a load of testing at different circuits too.

Keith 

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 11:58, Steve Adams via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The first line should read   In the cold and wet UK.  I run these pressures all weathers as there is never that much variance in the UK. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 09:56, Steve Adams <steveadams55 at sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
>>> 
>>> mike h
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks as usual,
>>> 
>>> Walt Hollowell
>>> 
>>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>>> 
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Sat Oct 24 17:44:10 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 19:44:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ADVICE ON SELLING TR3 ROLLER
Message-ID: <000c01d6aa5f$9578df30$c06a9d90$@cox.net>

FOTs - I'd appreciate some advice on how to sell the former Abacus TR3
roller I previously advertised here.  The car is solid with no rust, needs
an engine and possibly an overdrive gearbox (I have a non-overdrive unit),
and the paint is pretty nice (BRG).

     The unassembled engine I had has been sold.  I also have a very nice
frame which has been sandblasted and painted.

     I'd appreciate your advice on what sites or other ideas on how to sell
this car.  I changed my plans and don't need it anymore.  It was very
successful when raced by Abacus.  I'd like to see it get back on the track.


     I'm asking $4500 - is this unreasonable?

     I hope to see some of you at Road Atlanta (VDCA) and Summit Point (VRG)
in Nov and Roebling Road (VDCA) in Dec.

     Take care, Hank

    

Hank Giffin

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 19:25:14 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 01:25:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
References: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>

I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.?
For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?? I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.? I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.? I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.? I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.? Joe B
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Oct 24 22:30:34 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 23:30:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I use the Cometic 91mm gasket.? I've purposely NOT taken more out of the 
intake pocket since it already goes way outside the bounds of the liner 
- I just took the sharp edges off to keep from getting a hot spot.

The Cometic does intrude into the combustion chamber next to the intake 
valve but not by very much.

I also make sure to not relieve the liner outside the bounds of the fire 
ring in the gasket so it's supported on at least one side and can pass 
the heat to the liner.? I don't blow head gaskets, but I also don't run 
one for more than 2 seasons, normally for just one season.

Regards, Tony

On 10/24/2020 8:25 PM, Joe Boruch via Fot wrote:
> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the 
> conversation a few months ago.
>
> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you 
> done much relieving around the intake valves?? I have not found any 
> such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.? 
> I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it 
> still protruded.? I have been using steel shim head gaskets with 
> copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set 
> up.? I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years 
> (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head 
> gasket.? Joe B
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct 25 06:39:29 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 08:39:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
In-Reply-To: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F82C8CDE61D34C55885FA7A6BEEA65D7@VlackTK121647>

Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.

Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.

My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.

JVV

From: Joe Boruch via Fot 
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
To: FOT List 
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 07:00:19 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:00:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
In-Reply-To: <F82C8CDE61D34C55885FA7A6BEEA65D7@VlackTK121647>
References: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>
 <F82C8CDE61D34C55885FA7A6BEEA65D7@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVbtop+uqTryXD62yUesCsrKe5+_anA6Pat5OJgnaC4yuA@mail.gmail.com>

Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a
Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and
another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes,
they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's
OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a
week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up
and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.

mike h

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing.
> 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve
> job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The
> shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the
> head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2
> years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I
> rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070
> milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing
> after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx.
> 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>
> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally
> show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets
> are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>
> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to
> your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it
> acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve
> used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a
> street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is
> worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>
> JVV
>
> *From:* Joe Boruch via Fot
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
> *To:* FOT List
> *Subject:* [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>
> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation
> a few months ago.
>
> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you
> done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such
> gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even
> bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still
> protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire
> o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held
> off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with
> S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct 25 07:10:34 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:10:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVbtop+uqTryXD62yUesCsrKe5+_anA6Pat5OJgnaC4yuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>
 <F82C8CDE61D34C55885FA7A6BEEA65D7@VlackTK121647>
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Message-ID: <BA6EE0DE59F948D8B6D81543484A66AE@VlackTK121647>

That?s an excellent point to be considered too.
JVV

From: Mike Harmuth 
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack 
Cc: Joe Boruch ; FOT List 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges. 

mike h

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
  I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
  The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.

  Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.

  My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.

  JVV

  From: Joe Boruch via Fot 
  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
  To: FOT List 
  Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

  I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

  For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun Oct 25 07:34:35 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:34:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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Joe:
Looks like I am old school here. Been using the steel shim gasket or the Bastuck equivalent coated with spray on Hylomar with good results. Been trimming the gaskets to fit the chamber so there is no protrusion. I make sure the liners protrude .005 to .007. No O-rings. Use ARP head studs torqued to the factory specs then Re torqued several times and heat cycles. I don?t exceed the factory specs to avoid cracking the block around the studs at the ends of the block.  We have one head that is staked per Kastner?s recommendation, and one that is not. Both equally good.
With careful cleaning I can reuse the same steel shim gasket as long as the head and block are the same as the previous installation. This reduces the pain of trimming a new gasket every time. The protruding liners do a job very similar to the copper O-rings.
Having said this, I?ll probably lose a head gasket next time out....
Phil Gott 

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> On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That?s an excellent point to be considered too.
> JVV
>  
> From: Mike Harmuth
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 9:00 AM
> To: Jerry Van Vlack
> Cc: Joe Boruch ; FOT List
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>  
> Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
>  
> mike h
>  
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
>> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
>> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>>  
>> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>>  
>> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>>  
>> JVV
>>  
>> From: Joe Boruch via Fot
>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
>> To: FOT List
>> Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>>  
>> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.
>>  
>> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 08:58:58 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 08:58:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I use Mordy?s solid copper gaskets, no o-ring, just copper coat.

My current gasket is on it?s second engine.

jim g

 

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To: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

 

I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

 

For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 14:43:33 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:43:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I?ll have to contact Cometic again.  It was probably 10 years ago that I called them.  They wanted me to give them a block and head and then order 100 gaskets.  Was not feasible.  Joe B

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> On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
> 
> mike h
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
>> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
>> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>>  
>> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>>  
>> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>>  
>> JVV
>>  
>> From: Joe Boruch via Fot
>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
>> To: FOT List
>> Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>>  
>> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.
>>  
>> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 06:38:43 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:38:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 
	=?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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Hi Guys,

I am unfortunately still stuck in New England until November 21st. Maybe I
can start my engine build that was supposed to happen in March when I
return.

Steve, good luck with the rocket motor!

Cheers,


*Brad Eells*
*Chino CA*
*#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3*
*#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4*
*1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!*




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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 11:17:41 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:17:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
In-Reply-To: <D58EAADA-D7BF-4D27-BC6C-7FD7E4ED18CD@yahoo.com>
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 I just checked with Cometic and they do not make a MLS head gasket for the TR3/4 engine.? Only copper or composite.? They cannot do a valve relief in the composite gasket - only round bores.? They can do a custom valve relief in copper, but those are already available from other sources.? They can do custom bigger bores for the composite gasket, such as a 91mm that another lister had posted a part number for back in July or August.?
They want $3-4000 to develop a MLS gasket so unless there was a huge interest, it is not feasible for me to do and go into the head gasket selling business.? Joe B
    On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 04:48:15 PM EDT, Joe via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?ll have to contact Cometic again. ?It was probably 10 years ago that I called them. ?They wanted me to give them a block and head and then order 100 gaskets. ?Was not feasible. ?Joe B

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On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:



?Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal?one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous?block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign?a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
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From candjmiller236 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 06:27:16 2020
From: candjmiller236 at yahoo.com (Judi & Craig Miller)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:27:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Wheels for GT6+
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Hi all,I have been in the process of rebuilding my 1969 GT6+ for quite a while.? It sat on stands for over 40 years and virtually every component has required rebuild or replacement.? I ran Minilight wheels when I raced the car during the 1970's but have decided that due to their age the Minilights are going to be used for rain tires after the car is back together.? I have decided to go with Panasport Prolites and am wondering if there is a dealer / distributor for Panasport out there that would work with me on ordering a new set.Thanks in advance,Craig Millercandjmiller236 at yahoo.com
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 31 09:41:39 2020
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 09:41:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Wheels for GT6+
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I bought my Panasports from Ted Schumacher.


> On October 31, 2020 at 6:27 AM Judi & Craig Miller via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>     Hi all,
>     I have been in the process of rebuilding my 1969 GT6+ for quite a while.  It sat on stands for over 40 years and virtually every component has required rebuild or replacement.  I ran Minilight wheels when I raced the car during the 1970's but have decided that due to their age the Minilights are going to be used for rain tires after the car is back together.  I have decided to go with Panasport Prolites and am wondering if there is a dealer / distributor for Panasport out there that would work with me on ordering a new set.
>     Thanks in advance,
>     Craig Miller
>     candjmiller236 at yahoo.com
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 10:35:23 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 11:35:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Cold_Air_Intake_for_7=E2=80=9D_headlamp_replacem?=
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FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat Oct 31 11:26:41 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
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Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?  It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?  If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 11:38:35 2020
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 17:38:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
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 The factory did that to "stake" the woodruff key.
It's normal and it's also where cracks start when you beat on the axles.
It should be okay for a street car, but you should crack test while its apart.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, October 31, 2020, 1:27:20 PM EDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?? It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?? If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg
 

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Oct 31 11:42:51 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 17:42:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 
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Great idea - please put it on a hinge - parked it?s closed - fully open at speed
:-)

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On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

<FullSizeRender.jpg>


Joe Alexander
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 11:47:38 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:47:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
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Thanks Tony.  Interesting idea.

I am seeing more and more cold intakes in vintage racing.

Pegasus has them for $200 in Carbon Fiber. We will have spun aluminum at a fraction of that cost. 

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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Gasketinnovations.com
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> On Oct 31, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ? Great idea - please put it on a hinge - parked it?s closed - fully open at speed 
> :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> FOT,
>> 
>> We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.
>> 
>> Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.
>> 
>> <FullSizeRender.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 12:28:46 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 18:28:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
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 Yeah it's to keep the key from going in too far and wedging up the ramp in the end of the keyway, and I 2nd crack-checking that thing once it's apart.
Glen Efinger
 
 
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From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2020 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car

 The factory did that to "stake" the woodruff key.
It's normal and it's also where cracks start when you beat on the axles.
It should be okay for a street car, but you should crack test while its apart.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, October 31, 2020, 1:27:20 PM EDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?? It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?? If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg
 

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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 31 14:20:16 2020
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:20:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
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Speaking of air. I have an air box on eBay right now. It's for the TR3 TR4 engine with SU or Stromberg carbs.

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Sent: ?10/?31/?2020 11:38 AM
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air Intake for 7? headlamp replacement.

FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Oct  1 15:49:33 2020
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 15:49:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] COTA
Message-ID: <016201d6983c$c020e7d0$4062b770$@hot-tr6.com>

I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by
SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday
the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track
is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap.   I will be driving my TR6 and I am
racing in Group 8.  I'm wondering if any other FOT members will be attending
this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support.  If any
other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Phone 505 362-4350

 



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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:30:59 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 00:30:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Testing
Message-ID: <002001d69842$89cdd5c0$9d698140$@gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

 

this year was a race fee year for me..but there was an opportunity to test
stuff..so I did.

https://youtu.be/4ZtOv89FQy8

 

Unfortunately the CanAm racer didn't like my testing when I lapped him.

 

Cheers

Chris

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu Oct  1 17:34:06 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 18:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] COTA
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Walt,

We live about 45 minutes west of the track. I have full shop and can hack most things together. I should be around that weekend and maybe at the track doing tech. 

You can call me for support tools or even a beer if needed. Also have spare bedroom if you are looking for a place to crash. 

Greg

512-917-3880

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> On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap.   I will be driving my TR6 and I am racing in Group 8.  I?m wondering if any other FOT members will be attending this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support.  If any other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.
> Walter Hollowell
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
> Phone 505 362-4350
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From billdentin at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 19:45:56 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] COTA
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I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap. ??I will be driving my TR6 and I am racing in Group 8. ?I?m wondering if any other FOT members will be attending this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support. ?If any other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Phone 505 362-4350

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 15:12:36 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 21:12:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB45149DCACBB7CF059F40D69FBA0F0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I am in need of a cable style Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal assembly. Anybody have one in their parts pile?

Thanks,
Marty Sukey
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From candjmiller236 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 16:31:17 2020
From: candjmiller236 at yahoo.com (Judi & Craig Miller)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 22:31:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Gas pedal
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Marty,Is this what you need?
Craig

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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct  5 09:41:22 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 09:41:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal
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On 10/4/20 3:12 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote:
> I am in need of a cable style Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal assembly. Anybody 
> have one in their parts pile?


I probably have one on the rotting hulk I plan to cut up and scrap, 
hopefully somebody has one more readily available.


So I have to retell this story.? Back in the days when I actively 
autocrossed with the Utah Region SCCA, we procured a new site, the big E 
Center arena parking lot.? Pugs and I had just finished Killer the year 
before, only had a few events with the car thus far, including an IVR 
hillclimb.? Being a two driver car, things were such that for our first 
event at the new site, I was the very first driver to take to the 
course.? Every eye on site is watching me.


Up to the staging line. Green flag drops.? With the gearing and tires on 
Killer at that time, first gear was good for 20 - 25 feet. I lift for 
the shift to second gear, hit the throttle and nothing happens.? The 
engine is just purring at idle.? I cut through the cones, go through the 
finish gate to stop the clock and idle over to the side.


Turns out the ferrule on the end of the throttle cable, where it goes 
through the pedal assembly, had frayed off.? A quick fix was to get the 
cable through the steel rod, clamp a small pair of needle nose 
Vice-Grips onto it, hang the vise grips with some baling wire.? I 
thought I had a picture of the setup somewhere, no luck finding it at 
the moment.


Anyway, the Vice-Grips & baling wire hack lasted all season, finally got 
around to replacing the cable while going over the car during the winter.


Back to the event.? While fussing with Killer, Pugs and I decide we 
should move the car a bit more to the side, as I stopped pretty close to 
the finish gate.? So we push it about 10 feet further away.? And right 
about the time we do that, another two driver car finishes the course.? 
It was Harriet in the family BSP Corvette. No broken throttle for her, 
the opposite problem.? She kept accelerating the the finish, ended up 
hitting Abe's F250 pickup broadside about 100 feet from the lights, 
pushing it sideway about 10 feet.? Big bang, it was.


Yep, quite a festive way to break in a new site.


mjb.




From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 06:45:00 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 08:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Valve Shape: room for improvement?
References: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C@aol.com>

?Does anyone know why the 5/16 stem exhaust valve flares out in a cone shape to the valve head instead of maintaining the stem diameter diameter all the way to the head? I am thinking that there could be a gain if we can find a valve of correct dimensions without that flare.
Phil Gott



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From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:27:28 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Fot member dropped off list
Message-ID: <20201006.112728.21768.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

Mark, I have been dropped of the list.  If my JABORUCH at NETZERO.NET address will not work, please use JABORUCH at YAHOO.COM.Thanks, Joe Boruch
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 09:33:06 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 10:33:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Valve Shape: room for improvement?
In-Reply-To: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C@aol.com>
References: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C.ref@aol.com>
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I don't have definite engineering knowledge but I suspect there is more
than one reason for this.  Increasing the mass of the valve head near the
transition to the stem may have to do with heat transfer and resistance to
distortion, but I suspect the exiting flow of exhaust gas may determine the
shape as well.

You could reduce the overall mass by using smaller-diameter stems.

Duncan

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 7:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know why the 5/16 stem exhaust valve flares out in a cone
> shape to the valve head instead of maintaining the stem diameter diameter
> all the way to the head? I am thinking that there could be a gain if we can
> find a valve of correct dimensions without that flare.
> Phil Gott
>
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 09:39:11 2020
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:39:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
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All,Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group...Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well.
Thanks much!
Jake?
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue Oct  6 14:03:28 2020
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:03:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
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I use Goodparts, Richard Good.
The exhaust pipe design is important too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> All,
> Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group...
> Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well.
> 
> Thanks much!
> 
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  7 02:59:10 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 09:59:10 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Valve profile
Message-ID: <007501d69c88$1f7ed760$5e7c8620$@btinternet.com>

The 'tulip' shape we see in our standard Triumph valves, and most other
production valves, has been in use and developed since poppet valves were
invented.     It provides a smooth flow through the valve under maximum flow
conditions.
The "penny-on-a-stick" profile is a development of that, and does allow
better flow when the valve is  partly open, so improving overall flow
especially under severe operation conditions, high revs and when the valve
seat has been purposely made shallow.     

But few Triumph drivers will use their car in this way, and will not benefit
from such mods.     Moreover, the combustion chamber shape suffers from the
valves being close to the wall, which inhibits flow, so that valve modifying
can have only a limited benefit.
Go for it if you like experimenting, but a lot of other mods may be needed
to see a benefit, if any.
John

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Wed Oct  7 03:02:39 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 11:02:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
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The exhausts of Tony Law (TLE) are often used. It is a 6 into 3 into 1 design and seems to work well. They are relatively easy to fit. But of course there are other exhaust systems that are performing well. 
Marcel. 


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Verzonden: Dinsdag 6 oktober 2020 22:03:28 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers 

I use Goodparts, Richard Good. 
The exhaust pipe design is important too. 

Sent from my iPhone 



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All, 
Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group... 
Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well. 

Thanks much! 

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct  7 11:14:56 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 11:14:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve profile
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The Penny on the stick valves can be purchased through British Frame &
Engine. The combustion chamber does suffer from Shrouding around the valves.

On the head shown in the pictures I did what I could to De-Shroud them but
you can only go so far due to the bore diameter.
I did a lot of flow testing on this head with clay mock ups in the ports and
combustion chamber. What you don't see is a Lot of welding and re-shaping in
the 
exhaust valve pockets to reduce that right angle turn the port takes to
exit.
jim g

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Subject: [Fot] Valve profile

The 'tulip' shape we see in our standard Triumph valves, and most other
production valves, has been in use and developed since poppet valves were
invented.     It provides a smooth flow through the valve under maximum flow
conditions.
The "penny-on-a-stick" profile is a development of that, and does allow
better flow when the valve is  partly open, so improving overall flow
especially under severe operation conditions, high revs and when the valve
seat has been purposely made shallow.     

But few Triumph drivers will use their car in this way, and will not benefit
from such mods.     Moreover, the combustion chamber shape suffers from the
valves being close to the wall, which inhibits flow, so that valve modifying
can have only a limited benefit.
Go for it if you like experimenting, but a lot of other mods may be needed
to see a benefit, if any.
John

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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 13:51:59 2020
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:51:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] [Mgs] threadlocker red
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 <C6FF4FA093BE439D95F7C6F8EEC1410E@paul>
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 Hi Dan.? Reminds me of my brother who lives in California where they are pretty strict about those things.? He bought a new 1985 Honda Civic when he moved to CA and took a job there.? He has driven this car to work every day since (about a 30 mile commute each way).? His car now has something over 400,000 miles on it, and he has never had any major failures (engine, trans, rear end etc.)? Recently when he took it in for inspection, the cat convertor was bad and it wouldn't pass the emissions test.? He tried all over town (San Francisco area) to locate a new one and nobody carried them.? So, he asked me about used ones.? I suggested he try Ebay, and sure enough, he found a guy who lives within about 50 miles from him who specializes in restoring/maintaining '85/86 Honda Civics.? And, he of course, had a good used one.? True story.
Jack

    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 7:40:58 AM EDT, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 LOL, this is true! I've been working on cleaning?up the garage since my '76B has been in the shop, and came across some parts for it that I'd been holding on to for some reason, for years. Yesterday, I advertised a couple of Rostyles, an OEM jack, an oil pan and an exhaust downpipe. Guy contacted me about the down pipe and asked whether?I had the catalytic converter. I did, but didn't advertise it as I understand?that you're not supposed to sell used cats. It was actually in a garbage bag in preparation for getting tossed with the other trash Friday morning. He didn't want the pipe but I sold him the catcon!
Dan D'76B (in shop), '65BCentral NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:55 AM PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com> wrote:

"If you haven't found a use for something yet you haven't kept it long enough"?If you can exchange it i.e. not have to pay again for the right stuff then fair enough.??
 ----- Original Message -----  
  
I accidentally bought some red thread locker.? I?m pretty sure I don?t want to use it and I plan on exchanging it for some blue.

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From afterapex at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 14:16:46 2020
From: afterapex at gmail.com (greg powell)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 13:16:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Mgs] threadlocker red
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My understanding of the rules (at least in CA) is that shops will not install a used Cat because the State wants to discourage the market for theft from cars.

I had a used Cat installed by a shop with the understanding it was because I needed to replace the pipe and muffler downstream.

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan.  Reminds me of my brother who lives in California where they are pretty strict about those things.  He bought a new 1985 Honda Civic when he moved to CA and took a job there.  He has driven this car to work every day since (about a 30 mile commute each way).  His car now has something over 400,000 miles on it, and he has never had any major failures (engine, trans, rear end etc.)  Recently when he took it in for inspection, the cat convertor was bad and it wouldn't pass the emissions test.  He tried all over town (San Francisco area) to locate a new one and nobody carried them.  So, he asked me about used ones.  I suggested he try Ebay, and sure enough, he found a guy who lives within about 50 miles from him who specializes in restoring/maintaining '85/86 Honda Civics.  And, he of course, had a good used one.  True story.
> 
> Jack
> 
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 7:40:58 AM EDT, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> LOL, this is true! I've been working on cleaning up the garage since my '76B has been in the shop, and came across some parts for it that I'd been holding on to for some reason, for years. Yesterday, I advertised a couple of Rostyles, an OEM jack, an oil pan and an exhaust downpipe. Guy contacted me about the down pipe and asked whether I had the catalytic converter. I did, but didn't advertise it as I understand that you're not supposed to sell used cats. It was actually in a garbage bag in preparation for getting tossed with the other trash Friday morning. He didn't want the pipe but I sold him the catcon!
> 
> Dan D
> '76B (in shop), '65B
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
> 
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:55 AM PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com <mailto:paulhunt73 at virginmedia.com>> wrote:
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>  
> If you can exchange it i.e. not have to pay again for the right stuff then fair enough.
>  
>  
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> I accidentally bought some red thread locker.  I?m pretty sure I don?t want to use it and I plan on exchanging it for some blue.
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 02:57:24 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 09:57:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Race headers.
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Because the six has three pairs of pistons, moving in synch, but 360 degrees
out for ignition timing (EG No.1 on firing stroke, when No.6 is drawing
charge into the cylinder) a 6-2-1 design receives impulses into the
secondaries at irregular intervals.    A 6-3-1 gets an impulse regularly.
This impulse will be reflected back to the other of the pair, and if the
primary is the correct length, that impulse will be in its negative phase
when the exhaust valve opens.      This will improve flow out of the
cylinder, so that this design is called a "scavenger" or "extractor".    

The length of primary is critical.    The enclosed diagram refers to inlet
tuning but the same applies to exhaust manifolds.    As can be seen, the
usual length of 17-19" will boost extraction and power in the mid range,
where it will be most useful for a road car.    An out and out race engine
builder might consider longer, to gain at the top end.

For such pure race engines, 6-1 manifolds may be considered.     Look at any
F1 engine, or at the extraordinary manifold built by Gareth Thomas - see
enclosed.

John





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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 03:25:31 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 10:25:31 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Race Headers
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Very interesting, Jim, thank you for sharing your experience and pics!

Deshrouding by grinding into the squish area risks losing that effect, and
leaves a greater circumference of the valve still shrouded by the chamber
walls.
A while ago, I happened to acquire a head which someone had deshrouded by
grinding those walls around the valve, opposite the squish, without
encroaching on the bore diameter.
This looked most innovative and potentially an advantage, but in use was a
disaster!     The head persistently blew its gaskets!   I presume that the
thinner face around the bore had become less rigid and allowed the edge to
flex and leak.

John

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Oct  8 04:54:18 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:54:18 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Race headers.
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over the decades, Ive used a few different 6:3:1 designs and experimented
with all the published formula for length and pipe diameter,
 and found little (if any) measurable differences on my race cars

each one has its own unique sound but i cant say any one of them was "jsut
right"

maybe ive never managed to find the exact right combo of engine internal
design and exhaust design

i have noticed that pipes that turn sharply down where the exit from the
head sure dont work. the "best' result seems to be when the flow is more
towards the floor of the exhaust pipe and continues straight out from the
head a few inches before falling downwards

primary pipe lengths more like 22" seem to be better on race engines, but
as others have said, slightly shorter on road cars. some designs with
really short primarlies like those sold by Moss years ago, were no better
than factory cast-iron manifolds

terry
Australia


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 6:58 PM John Davies via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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> Because the six has three pairs of pistons, moving in synch, but 360
> degrees
> out for ignition timing (EG No.1 on firing stroke, when No.6 is drawing
> charge into the cylinder) a 6-2-1 design receives impulses into the
> secondaries at irregular intervals.    A 6-3-1 gets an impulse regularly.
> This impulse will be reflected back to the other of the pair, and if the
> primary is the correct length, that impulse will be in its negative phase
> when the exhaust valve opens.      This will improve flow out of the
> cylinder, so that this design is called a "scavenger" or "extractor".
>
> The length of primary is critical.    The enclosed diagram refers to inlet
> tuning but the same applies to exhaust manifolds.    As can be seen, the
> usual length of 17-19" will boost extraction and power in the mid range,
> where it will be most useful for a road car.    An out and out race engine
> builder might consider longer, to gain at the top end.
>
> For such pure race engines, 6-1 manifolds may be considered.     Look at
> any
> F1 engine, or at the extraordinary manifold built by Gareth Thomas - see
> enclosed.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri Oct  9 08:10:27 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 07:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage
Message-ID: <000001d69e45$f4172d60$dc458820$@klaenv.com>

https://youtu.be/rrs2cBBpL2s 

Greetings FOT:

If you have not found Steve's Garage on YouTube you are in for a treat!
Steve is FOT's own Steve Belfer who races the TR-3 his dad raced in the 60's
when Steve was growing up.  Relax, enjoy and subscribe to his channel as it
is great fun.

Ken

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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:10:30 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 10:10:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
Message-ID: <CAGctxs5tLTkzVUir74PpU8uMJUh9Apnpd1GNx8hi+3AkJPmsog@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other
Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom
Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.

Cheers,
Doug Mitchell
dbm.spitfire at gmail.com
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 11 12:01:39 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:01:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
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Well done guys and congrats Mr Sargis

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
> 
> Cheers,
> Doug Mitchell
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 12:07:04 2020
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:07:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
In-Reply-To: <E267F4D4-5DB9-40FB-A210-26AFFCC38A6A@icloud.com>
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Yes, Bravo Zulu & Congrats!


> On Oct 11, 2020, at 14:04, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Well done guys and congrats Mr Sargis
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Doug Mitchell
>> dbm.spitfire at gmail.com
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 12:21:22 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:21:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
In-Reply-To: <E267F4D4-5DB9-40FB-A210-26AFFCC38A6A@icloud.com>
References: <E267F4D4-5DB9-40FB-A210-26AFFCC38A6A@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <AB699FCB-C086-4BF9-8487-D771EF67A36D@yahoo.com>

The one SCCA race that I can recall racing with Steve Sargis was a few years ago at a Thompson Majors race.  I was in EP with my S2000.  Steve had the pole and finished first overall.  He was wicked fast.  Usually EP and FP cars are faster than HP cars, but that was not the case by far.  Congrats Steve.  JoeB

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> 
> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
>> 
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>> Doug Mitchell
>> dbm.spitfire at gmail.com
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:28:49 2020
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 11:28:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
Message-ID: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 

Ken Gano. 



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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct 13 10:42:07 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 12:42:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
In-Reply-To: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>
References: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8899539D6C924F439ED42DDCECF20D6B@VlackTK121647>

RIP Michael.

I always read his emails and posts to our lists. As you say his comments 
were always well thought through and very accurate. I noticed that not many 
recent comments were posted. Sad to hear this news. None of us are getting 
any younger and none of us are immortal.

JVV

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ken Gano via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 12:28 PM
To: Listserv Triumph ; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a 
long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week 
ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM.

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not 
been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home 
twice.

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points 
and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or 
saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely.

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. 
He will be sorely missed.

Ken Gano.



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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Oct 13 10:57:53 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 16:57:53 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
In-Reply-To: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>
References: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>
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Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

Bye Michael.



-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Gano via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:29 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 

Ken Gano. 



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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Oct 13 11:08:45 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
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Thanks for sharing the sad news. I never met him but he sounds like a very kind and knowledgeable person. A nice part of the  FOT legacy.
Phil

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> On Oct 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
> 
> Bye Michael.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Gano via Fot
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:29 AM
> To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
> 
> It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 
> 
> About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 
> 
> I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 
> 
> Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 
> 
> Ken Gano. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:13:35 2020
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Obituary
References: <18AA13C6-091C-4F97-83C2-4865A5DEC807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCDBCAAC-C0F9-448E-A7B2-080D8BF06A40@gmail.com>



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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Brenna Bihler <brenna.bihler at gmail.com>
> Date: October 16, 2020 at 6:40:13 AM CDT
> To: Ken Gano <1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com>
> Subject: Obituary
> 
> ?Hi Ken. The official one will be published in the Roswell Daily Record Sunday, but wanted to share this with you. This was in Hawaii when he was in the Army. 
> 
> Take Care, Brenna
> 
> 
>> ?
>> Michael David Porter, 73, of Roswell, NM, passed away Sunday, October 11, 2020
>> 
>> Michael was born July 26, 1947, in San Antonio, oTexas, the son of the late John David and Joy Marie (Brokaw) Porter. 
>> 
>> After serving in the U.S. Army, he received his master's degree in English from Western Michigan University. He worked in several different fields, including teaching and technical writing.
>> He was a patient problem solver, and a voracious reader of history and politics. He loved a good game of Scrabble, long conversations, and good wine. Restoring vintage Triumph cars was a lifelong passion. 
>> 
>> He is survived by his daughter, Brenna Bihler, her husband Jason, and granddaughter Bella, of Nashville, TN, along with siblings John Porter of Foxboro, MA, Dennis Porter of Framingham, MA, Kelley (Brian) Smith of Stow, MA, and Peggy (Ralph Colelli) Porter of Wilmington, NC. He also leaves nieces and nephews, grandnieces and grandnephews, and cousins. In addition to his parents, he was predeceased by his beloved daughter, Catherine Porter. He was loved, and will be missed.
>> 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Oct 16 09:13:51 2020
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:13:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
In-Reply-To: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>
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Michael came to Albuquerque and photographed the epic road race in 2000.  Epic as he was able to record all the awesome wipeouts that were happening all over the track.  I will miss him and am sorry to hear of this loss.

Henry Morrison

Salt Lake City, UT


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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Ken Gano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:28 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM.

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice.

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely.

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed.

Ken Gano.



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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 17 19:58:31 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:58:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher?
Message-ID: <c2742cd4-5993-0b7a-060d-87db62c5b791@bradakis.com>

I've been wondering about the 2020 Kastner Cup shirts I ordered, haven't 
heard back from Ted S.? Just busy, health problems, or ???

mjb.




From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 18 16:15:52 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear hub bearings
Message-ID: <E7BDD9B6-22AC-4DCB-9DF8-9F04D6F85FC3@icloud.com>

Does anyone have the Timken numbers for the bearing and race for the stock late style TR3 rear axle hubs?  Rebuilding one for my son?s car and have all the differential bearings, but need to source new bearings for the hubs. 

Thanks. 

Greg

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 18 19:18:30 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear hub bearings
In-Reply-To: <E7BDD9B6-22AC-4DCB-9DF8-9F04D6F85FC3@icloud.com>
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Thanks everyone for the responses. 

They are:
Timken bearing is #2585
Timken race is #2523

I?ve ordered them from RockAuto

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> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone have the Timken numbers for the bearing and race for the stock late style TR3 rear axle hubs?  Rebuilding one for my son?s car and have all the differential bearings, but need to source new bearings for the hubs. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Greg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Oct 20 16:48:04 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 22:48:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs video is up!
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB342048289BB3B33BA2A792C0E11F0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>


https://www.scca.com/videos?categories=scca-2020-runoffs
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 21:57:55 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 22:57:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs video is up!
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR15MB342048289BB3B33BA2A792C0E11F0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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Wow! Steve Sargis in HP looked great narrowly dodging that first lap wreck and cruising on to the championship. And the other two Spitfires went the distance too, very impressive.

... and by my math this year starts Triumph?s 8th decade at the front of the pack.

Dusty Nicholson 
1955 TR3 EP #72

> On Oct 20, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:04:09 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 07:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.

Chuck Gee

From steve at artwithcars.com  Wed Oct 21 09:12:17 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I?m racing.  New motor installed. We?ll see how it holds together!

Steve Belfer




> On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:14 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From alanb at alanberrydesign.com  Wed Oct 21 10:53:06 2020
From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:53:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
	=?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I
will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck.
Vittesse or Spitfire?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:12:46 2020
From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:12:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
	=?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I will likely not be racing, I have my Air Force Reserve weekend those
days, but I will still probably come down and say hello!
Looking forward to seeing you guys

Jon Wright

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:54 AM Alan Berry via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I
> will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck.
> Vittesse or Spitfire?
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
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>> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:28:49 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 19:28:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 
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References: <D0FCFF5D-E165-4D55-8B0E-130C4D41C12E@gmail.com>
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Do a low flight over the track :)

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Jonathan Wright via Fot
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2020 19:13
An: Alan Berry <alanb at alanberrydesign.com>
Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Who?s racing with VARA at Willow Springs in November?

 

I will likely not be racing, I have my Air Force Reserve weekend those days, but I will still probably come down and say hello! 

Looking forward to seeing you guys 

 

Jon Wright 

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:54 AM Alan Berry via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck. Vittesse or Spitfire?

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Oct 21 11:42:18 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:42:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 
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Ill come as a spectator. ??

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 On?Wednesday, October 21, 2020,?Steven Belfer via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

I?m racing.? New motor installed. We?ll see how it holds together!

Steve Belfer




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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 21:58:57 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:58:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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The Vitesse.  Still building a new spitfire motor.

Thanks,

Chuck

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Alan Berry <alanb at alanberrydesign.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck. Vittesse or Spitfire?
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 23:00:13 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Race videos from Blackhawk last weekend
Message-ID: <b7f89ebb-a799-ee8d-7308-967a1833da57@tonydrews.com>

Best video first - race 3, great dice with a spridget at the end, I end 
up victorious although not entirely by my own merits:

https://youtu.be/-Y6VSQKr9SE

Race 1, rain race which I also won:

https://youtu.be/VPtVDNUlbhM

Race 2, drying track, came in 2nd - shortened due to a Volvo gone turtle:

https://youtu.be/wPoI4kOD9JE

Cheers, Tony Drews



From walt at hot-tr6.com  Fri Oct 23 18:23:08 2020
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 18:23:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
Message-ID: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>

I'm racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire
pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7
wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier
TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi
front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don't want the pressures to exceed
34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have
recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?

 

Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico



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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:42:24 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 20:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
In-Reply-To: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>
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Walt,

We expect you to break Lewis Hamilton?s lap record on your new tires and wheels...

:-)

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>  
> Thanks as usual,
> Walt Hollowell
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 19:27:24 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
In-Reply-To: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>
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Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and
end up with ~30 all round.

mike h

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire
> pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7
> wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some
> Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at
> 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to
> exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have
> recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>
>
>
> Thanks as usual,
>
> Walt Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Oct 23 21:36:19 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 03:36:19 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVbxDRCZLM0QQOe9jU-q8fLnDBZyFWko+vtyprKTqjYn8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>,
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Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB34205188E656BB0E8420CBFEE11B0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Hoosier usually publishes recommendations for each of their tires.

Scott (B)

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:27:24 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question

Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.

mike h

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?



Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 02:42:08 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:42:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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Walt,
On the TDR?s on our TR4?s Dad and I have found it best to end up around 30 psi hot. ?They get really greasy above that. ? We start with a mix of 24-25 psi cold. ? I started at 23 last time at Thompson. ? I say a mix of pressures as we typically run opposite pressures higher/lower by 1 psi based on the different diffs at the rear of the cars; welded vs quaife. ?
Hope that helps!

Dave Gott
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On Friday, October 23, 2020, 11:37 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hoosier usually publishes recommendations for each of their tires.

Scott (B)

Scott Barr
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Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:27:24 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question?Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
mike h
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?

?

Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From steveadams55 at sky.com  Sat Oct 24 02:56:28 2020
From: steveadams55 at sky.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:56:28 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
> 
> mike h
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks as usual,
>> 
>> Walt Hollowell
>> 
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>> 
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From steveadams55 at sky.com  Sat Oct 24 02:58:32 2020
From: steveadams55 at sky.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:58:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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The first line should read   In the cold and wet UK.  I run these pressures all weathers as there is never that much variance in the UK. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 09:56, Steve Adams <steveadams55 at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
>> 
>> mike h
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks as usual,
>>> 
>>> Walt Hollowell
>>> 
>>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>>> 
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 24 03:14:54 2020
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 12:14:54 +0300
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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Hi Steve, 

I used to run my Yokohama?s at 20 front, 21 rear psi in the dry/warm (never really hot in the UK) on my TR6 and 23-24 in the wet with my rear anti roll-bar disconnected?these settings were after a load of testing at different circuits too.

Keith 

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 11:58, Steve Adams via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The first line should read   In the cold and wet UK.  I run these pressures all weathers as there is never that much variance in the UK. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 09:56, Steve Adams <steveadams55 at sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
>>> 
>>> mike h
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks as usual,
>>> 
>>> Walt Hollowell
>>> 
>>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>>> 
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Sat Oct 24 17:44:10 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 19:44:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ADVICE ON SELLING TR3 ROLLER
Message-ID: <000c01d6aa5f$9578df30$c06a9d90$@cox.net>

FOTs - I'd appreciate some advice on how to sell the former Abacus TR3
roller I previously advertised here.  The car is solid with no rust, needs
an engine and possibly an overdrive gearbox (I have a non-overdrive unit),
and the paint is pretty nice (BRG).

     The unassembled engine I had has been sold.  I also have a very nice
frame which has been sandblasted and painted.

     I'd appreciate your advice on what sites or other ideas on how to sell
this car.  I changed my plans and don't need it anymore.  It was very
successful when raced by Abacus.  I'd like to see it get back on the track.


     I'm asking $4500 - is this unreasonable?

     I hope to see some of you at Road Atlanta (VDCA) and Summit Point (VRG)
in Nov and Roebling Road (VDCA) in Dec.

     Take care, Hank

    

Hank Giffin

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 19:25:14 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 01:25:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.?
For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?? I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.? I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.? I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.? I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.? Joe B
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Oct 24 22:30:34 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 23:30:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I use the Cometic 91mm gasket.? I've purposely NOT taken more out of the 
intake pocket since it already goes way outside the bounds of the liner 
- I just took the sharp edges off to keep from getting a hot spot.

The Cometic does intrude into the combustion chamber next to the intake 
valve but not by very much.

I also make sure to not relieve the liner outside the bounds of the fire 
ring in the gasket so it's supported on at least one side and can pass 
the heat to the liner.? I don't blow head gaskets, but I also don't run 
one for more than 2 seasons, normally for just one season.

Regards, Tony

On 10/24/2020 8:25 PM, Joe Boruch via Fot wrote:
> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the 
> conversation a few months ago.
>
> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you 
> done much relieving around the intake valves?? I have not found any 
> such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.? 
> I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it 
> still protruded.? I have been using steel shim head gaskets with 
> copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set 
> up.? I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years 
> (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head 
> gasket.? Joe B
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct 25 06:39:29 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 08:39:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.

Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.

My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.

JVV

From: Joe Boruch via Fot 
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
To: FOT List 
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 07:00:19 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:00:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a
Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and
another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes,
they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's
OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a
week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up
and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.

mike h

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing.
> 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve
> job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The
> shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the
> head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2
> years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I
> rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070
> milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing
> after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx.
> 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>
> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally
> show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets
> are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>
> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to
> your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it
> acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve
> used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a
> street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is
> worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>
> JVV
>
> *From:* Joe Boruch via Fot
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
> *To:* FOT List
> *Subject:* [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>
> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation
> a few months ago.
>
> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you
> done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such
> gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even
> bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still
> protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire
> o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held
> off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with
> S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct 25 07:10:34 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:10:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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That?s an excellent point to be considered too.
JVV

From: Mike Harmuth 
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack 
Cc: Joe Boruch ; FOT List 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges. 

mike h

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
  I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
  The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.

  Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.

  My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.

  JVV

  From: Joe Boruch via Fot 
  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
  To: FOT List 
  Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

  I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

  For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun Oct 25 07:34:35 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:34:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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Joe:
Looks like I am old school here. Been using the steel shim gasket or the Bastuck equivalent coated with spray on Hylomar with good results. Been trimming the gaskets to fit the chamber so there is no protrusion. I make sure the liners protrude .005 to .007. No O-rings. Use ARP head studs torqued to the factory specs then Re torqued several times and heat cycles. I don?t exceed the factory specs to avoid cracking the block around the studs at the ends of the block.  We have one head that is staked per Kastner?s recommendation, and one that is not. Both equally good.
With careful cleaning I can reuse the same steel shim gasket as long as the head and block are the same as the previous installation. This reduces the pain of trimming a new gasket every time. The protruding liners do a job very similar to the copper O-rings.
Having said this, I?ll probably lose a head gasket next time out....
Phil Gott 

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> On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That?s an excellent point to be considered too.
> JVV
>  
> From: Mike Harmuth
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 9:00 AM
> To: Jerry Van Vlack
> Cc: Joe Boruch ; FOT List
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>  
> Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
>  
> mike h
>  
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
>> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
>> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>>  
>> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>>  
>> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>>  
>> JVV
>>  
>> From: Joe Boruch via Fot
>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
>> To: FOT List
>> Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>>  
>> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.
>>  
>> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 08:58:58 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 08:58:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I use Mordy?s solid copper gaskets, no o-ring, just copper coat.

My current gasket is on it?s second engine.

jim g

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe Boruch via Fot
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 7:25 PM
To: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

 

I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

 

For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 14:43:33 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:43:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I?ll have to contact Cometic again.  It was probably 10 years ago that I called them.  They wanted me to give them a block and head and then order 100 gaskets.  Was not feasible.  Joe B

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
> 
> mike h
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
>> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
>> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>>  
>> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>>  
>> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>>  
>> JVV
>>  
>> From: Joe Boruch via Fot
>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
>> To: FOT List
>> Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>>  
>> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.
>>  
>> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 06:38:43 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:38:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 
	=?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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Hi Guys,

I am unfortunately still stuck in New England until November 21st. Maybe I
can start my engine build that was supposed to happen in March when I
return.

Steve, good luck with the rocket motor!

Cheers,


*Brad Eells*
*Chino CA*
*#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3*
*#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4*
*1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!*




On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:53 PM Mordy Dunst via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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> I?m racing.  New motor installed. We?ll see how it holds together!
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> Steve Belfer
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>
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 11:17:41 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:17:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
In-Reply-To: <D58EAADA-D7BF-4D27-BC6C-7FD7E4ED18CD@yahoo.com>
References: <CAO0FjVbtop+uqTryXD62yUesCsrKe5+_anA6Pat5OJgnaC4yuA@mail.gmail.com>
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 I just checked with Cometic and they do not make a MLS head gasket for the TR3/4 engine.? Only copper or composite.? They cannot do a valve relief in the composite gasket - only round bores.? They can do a custom valve relief in copper, but those are already available from other sources.? They can do custom bigger bores for the composite gasket, such as a 91mm that another lister had posted a part number for back in July or August.?
They want $3-4000 to develop a MLS gasket so unless there was a huge interest, it is not feasible for me to do and go into the head gasket selling business.? Joe B
    On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 04:48:15 PM EDT, Joe via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?ll have to contact Cometic again. ?It was probably 10 years ago that I called them. ?They wanted me to give them a block and head and then order 100 gaskets. ?Was not feasible. ?Joe B

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?Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal?one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous?block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign?a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
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From candjmiller236 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 06:27:16 2020
From: candjmiller236 at yahoo.com (Judi & Craig Miller)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:27:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Wheels for GT6+
References: <86014596.873675.1604147236474.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi all,I have been in the process of rebuilding my 1969 GT6+ for quite a while.? It sat on stands for over 40 years and virtually every component has required rebuild or replacement.? I ran Minilight wheels when I raced the car during the 1970's but have decided that due to their age the Minilights are going to be used for rain tires after the car is back together.? I have decided to go with Panasport Prolites and am wondering if there is a dealer / distributor for Panasport out there that would work with me on ordering a new set.Thanks in advance,Craig Millercandjmiller236 at yahoo.com
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 31 09:41:39 2020
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 09:41:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Wheels for GT6+
In-Reply-To: <86014596.873675.1604147236474@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <86014596.873675.1604147236474.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I bought my Panasports from Ted Schumacher.


> On October 31, 2020 at 6:27 AM Judi & Craig Miller via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>     Hi all,
>     I have been in the process of rebuilding my 1969 GT6+ for quite a while.  It sat on stands for over 40 years and virtually every component has required rebuild or replacement.  I ran Minilight wheels when I raced the car during the 1970's but have decided that due to their age the Minilights are going to be used for rain tires after the car is back together.  I have decided to go with Panasport Prolites and am wondering if there is a dealer / distributor for Panasport out there that would work with me on ordering a new set.
>     Thanks in advance,
>     Craig Miller
>     candjmiller236 at yahoo.com
> 


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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 10:35:23 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 11:35:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Cold_Air_Intake_for_7=E2=80=9D_headlamp_replacem?=
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FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

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The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat Oct 31 11:26:41 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
Message-ID: <BC914C5E-9ADD-43E4-BF62-2A6AB57E025B@icloud.com>

Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?  It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?  If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 11:38:35 2020
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 17:38:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
In-Reply-To: <BC914C5E-9ADD-43E4-BF62-2A6AB57E025B@icloud.com>
References: <BC914C5E-9ADD-43E4-BF62-2A6AB57E025B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <576640394.606387.1604165915670@mail.yahoo.com>

 The factory did that to "stake" the woodruff key.
It's normal and it's also where cracks start when you beat on the axles.
It should be okay for a street car, but you should crack test while its apart.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, October 31, 2020, 1:27:20 PM EDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?? It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?? If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg
 

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Oct 31 11:42:51 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 17:42:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Cold_Air_Intake_for_7=E2=80=9D_headlamp_replacem?=
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Message-ID: <MWHPR07MB3599C22A183E93FAF8797742B2120@MWHPR07MB3599.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Great idea - please put it on a hinge - parked it?s closed - fully open at speed
:-)

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On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 11:47:38 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:47:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Cold_Air_Intake_for_7=E2=80=9D_headlamp_replacem?=
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In-Reply-To: <MWHPR07MB3599C22A183E93FAF8797742B2120@MWHPR07MB3599.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Thanks Tony.  Interesting idea.

I am seeing more and more cold intakes in vintage racing.

Pegasus has them for $200 in Carbon Fiber. We will have spun aluminum at a fraction of that cost. 

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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Gasketinnovations.com
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> On Oct 31, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ? Great idea - please put it on a hinge - parked it?s closed - fully open at speed 
> :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> FOT,
>> 
>> We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.
>> 
>> Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.
>> 
>> <FullSizeRender.jpg>
>> 
>> 
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>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 12:28:46 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 18:28:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
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 Yeah it's to keep the key from going in too far and wedging up the ramp in the end of the keyway, and I 2nd crack-checking that thing once it's apart.
Glen Efinger
 
 
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To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2020 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car

 The factory did that to "stake" the woodruff key.
It's normal and it's also where cracks start when you beat on the axles.
It should be okay for a street car, but you should crack test while its apart.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, October 31, 2020, 1:27:20 PM EDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?? It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?? If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg
 

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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 31 14:20:16 2020
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:20:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
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Speaking of air. I have an air box on eBay right now. It's for the TR3 TR4 engine with SU or Stromberg carbs.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joe Alexander via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: ?10/?31/?2020 11:38 AM
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Cold Air Intake for 7? headlamp replacement.

FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Oct  1 15:49:33 2020
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 15:49:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] COTA
Message-ID: <016201d6983c$c020e7d0$4062b770$@hot-tr6.com>

I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by
SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday
the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track
is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap.   I will be driving my TR6 and I am
racing in Group 8.  I'm wondering if any other FOT members will be attending
this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support.  If any
other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.

Walter Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Phone 505 362-4350

 



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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:30:59 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 00:30:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Testing
Message-ID: <002001d69842$89cdd5c0$9d698140$@gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

 

this year was a race fee year for me..but there was an opportunity to test
stuff..so I did.

https://youtu.be/4ZtOv89FQy8

 

Unfortunately the CanAm racer didn't like my testing when I lapped him.

 

Cheers

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu Oct  1 17:34:06 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 18:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] COTA
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Message-ID: <4FBD156F-5D05-457F-932C-854EEFCE4257@icloud.com>

Walt,

We live about 45 minutes west of the track. I have full shop and can hack most things together. I should be around that weekend and maybe at the track doing tech. 

You can call me for support tools or even a beer if needed. Also have spare bedroom if you are looking for a place to crash. 

Greg

512-917-3880

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> On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?
> I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap.   I will be driving my TR6 and I am racing in Group 8.  I?m wondering if any other FOT members will be attending this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support.  If any other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.
> Walter Hollowell
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From billdentin at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 19:45:56 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] COTA
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I have registered for a race at Circuit of the Americas being sponsored by SVRA this coming November 6-8. I will be arriving at the track on Wednesday the 4th for technical inspection then the 5th is practice laps. This track is 3.46 miles and 20 corners per lap. ??I will be driving my TR6 and I am racing in Group 8. ?I?m wondering if any other FOT members will be attending this event and if so maybe we can pit near each other for support. ?If any other FOT members are planning on attending this race please reach out.

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 15:12:36 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 21:12:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB45149DCACBB7CF059F40D69FBA0F0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I am in need of a cable style Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal assembly. Anybody have one in their parts pile?

Thanks,
Marty Sukey
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From candjmiller236 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 16:31:17 2020
From: candjmiller236 at yahoo.com (Judi & Craig Miller)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 22:31:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Gas pedal
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Marty,Is this what you need?
Craig

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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct  5 09:41:22 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 09:41:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB45149DCACBB7CF059F40D69FBA0F0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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On 10/4/20 3:12 PM, marty sukey via Fot wrote:
> I am in need of a cable style Spitfire/GT6 gas pedal assembly. Anybody 
> have one in their parts pile?


I probably have one on the rotting hulk I plan to cut up and scrap, 
hopefully somebody has one more readily available.


So I have to retell this story.? Back in the days when I actively 
autocrossed with the Utah Region SCCA, we procured a new site, the big E 
Center arena parking lot.? Pugs and I had just finished Killer the year 
before, only had a few events with the car thus far, including an IVR 
hillclimb.? Being a two driver car, things were such that for our first 
event at the new site, I was the very first driver to take to the 
course.? Every eye on site is watching me.


Up to the staging line. Green flag drops.? With the gearing and tires on 
Killer at that time, first gear was good for 20 - 25 feet. I lift for 
the shift to second gear, hit the throttle and nothing happens.? The 
engine is just purring at idle.? I cut through the cones, go through the 
finish gate to stop the clock and idle over to the side.


Turns out the ferrule on the end of the throttle cable, where it goes 
through the pedal assembly, had frayed off.? A quick fix was to get the 
cable through the steel rod, clamp a small pair of needle nose 
Vice-Grips onto it, hang the vise grips with some baling wire.? I 
thought I had a picture of the setup somewhere, no luck finding it at 
the moment.


Anyway, the Vice-Grips & baling wire hack lasted all season, finally got 
around to replacing the cable while going over the car during the winter.


Back to the event.? While fussing with Killer, Pugs and I decide we 
should move the car a bit more to the side, as I stopped pretty close to 
the finish gate.? So we push it about 10 feet further away.? And right 
about the time we do that, another two driver car finishes the course.? 
It was Harriet in the family BSP Corvette. No broken throttle for her, 
the opposite problem.? She kept accelerating the the finish, ended up 
hitting Abe's F250 pickup broadside about 100 feet from the lights, 
pushing it sideway about 10 feet.? Big bang, it was.


Yep, quite a festive way to break in a new site.


mjb.




From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 06:45:00 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 08:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Valve Shape: room for improvement?
References: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C@aol.com>

?Does anyone know why the 5/16 stem exhaust valve flares out in a cone shape to the valve head instead of maintaining the stem diameter diameter all the way to the head? I am thinking that there could be a gain if we can find a valve of correct dimensions without that flare.
Phil Gott



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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 09:33:06 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 10:33:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Valve Shape: room for improvement?
In-Reply-To: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C@aol.com>
References: <1BE6F607-7912-4097-B299-2480A038E36C.ref@aol.com>
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I don't have definite engineering knowledge but I suspect there is more
than one reason for this.  Increasing the mass of the valve head near the
transition to the stem may have to do with heat transfer and resistance to
distortion, but I suspect the exiting flow of exhaust gas may determine the
shape as well.

You could reduce the overall mass by using smaller-diameter stems.

Duncan

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 7:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know why the 5/16 stem exhaust valve flares out in a cone
> shape to the valve head instead of maintaining the stem diameter diameter
> all the way to the head? I am thinking that there could be a gain if we can
> find a valve of correct dimensions without that flare.
> Phil Gott
>
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From kekjacobsen at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 09:39:11 2020
From: kekjacobsen at yahoo.com (Erik Jacobsen)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:39:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
References: <1059261656.2339488.1601998751283.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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All,Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group...Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well.
Thanks much!
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue Oct  6 14:03:28 2020
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:03:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
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References: <1059261656.2339488.1601998751283@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2C52A653-CF9E-4BC8-8B9D-1C640DF1FCE7@wi.rr.com>

I use Goodparts, Richard Good.
The exhaust pipe design is important too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> All,
> Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group...
> Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well.
> 
> Thanks much!
> 
> Jake 
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  7 02:59:10 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 09:59:10 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Valve profile
Message-ID: <007501d69c88$1f7ed760$5e7c8620$@btinternet.com>

The 'tulip' shape we see in our standard Triumph valves, and most other
production valves, has been in use and developed since poppet valves were
invented.     It provides a smooth flow through the valve under maximum flow
conditions.
The "penny-on-a-stick" profile is a development of that, and does allow
better flow when the valve is  partly open, so improving overall flow
especially under severe operation conditions, high revs and when the valve
seat has been purposely made shallow.     

But few Triumph drivers will use their car in this way, and will not benefit
from such mods.     Moreover, the combustion chamber shape suffers from the
valves being close to the wall, which inhibits flow, so that valve modifying
can have only a limited benefit.
Go for it if you like experimenting, but a lot of other mods may be needed
to see a benefit, if any.
John

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Wed Oct  7 03:02:39 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 11:02:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers
In-Reply-To: <2C52A653-CF9E-4BC8-8B9D-1C640DF1FCE7@wi.rr.com>
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The exhausts of Tony Law (TLE) are often used. It is a 6 into 3 into 1 design and seems to work well. They are relatively easy to fit. But of course there are other exhaust systems that are performing well. 
Marcel. 


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Aan: "Erik Jacobsen" <kekjacobsen at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Dinsdag 6 oktober 2020 22:03:28 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR6 Race Headers 

I use Goodparts, Richard Good. 
The exhaust pipe design is important too. 

Sent from my iPhone 



On Oct 6, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote: 





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All, 
Hope this is the approved way to ask a question of the group... 
Any preferences for a TR6 header? This is for a high compression, big cam race motor. Don't particularly care about finish, just looking for something that flows well. 

Thanks much! 

Jake 
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct  7 11:14:56 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 11:14:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve profile
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References: <007501d69c88$1f7ed760$5e7c8620$@btinternet.com>
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The Penny on the stick valves can be purchased through British Frame &
Engine. The combustion chamber does suffer from Shrouding around the valves.

On the head shown in the pictures I did what I could to De-Shroud them but
you can only go so far due to the bore diameter.
I did a lot of flow testing on this head with clay mock ups in the ports and
combustion chamber. What you don't see is a Lot of welding and re-shaping in
the 
exhaust valve pockets to reduce that right angle turn the port takes to
exit.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Davies via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 2:59 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Valve profile

The 'tulip' shape we see in our standard Triumph valves, and most other
production valves, has been in use and developed since poppet valves were
invented.     It provides a smooth flow through the valve under maximum flow
conditions.
The "penny-on-a-stick" profile is a development of that, and does allow
better flow when the valve is  partly open, so improving overall flow
especially under severe operation conditions, high revs and when the valve
seat has been purposely made shallow.     

But few Triumph drivers will use their car in this way, and will not benefit
from such mods.     Moreover, the combustion chamber shape suffers from the
valves being close to the wall, which inhibits flow, so that valve modifying
can have only a limited benefit.
Go for it if you like experimenting, but a lot of other mods may be needed
to see a benefit, if any.
John

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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 13:51:59 2020
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:51:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] [Mgs] threadlocker red
In-Reply-To: <CABxEc+kVUQL98qMq7R49=mMgvvzspCMoOCChRfugA-Bk=ERATw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501d69c1d$9c417b10$d4c47130$@ranteer.com>
 <C6FF4FA093BE439D95F7C6F8EEC1410E@paul>
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Message-ID: <1532283692.291981.1602100319414@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Dan.? Reminds me of my brother who lives in California where they are pretty strict about those things.? He bought a new 1985 Honda Civic when he moved to CA and took a job there.? He has driven this car to work every day since (about a 30 mile commute each way).? His car now has something over 400,000 miles on it, and he has never had any major failures (engine, trans, rear end etc.)? Recently when he took it in for inspection, the cat convertor was bad and it wouldn't pass the emissions test.? He tried all over town (San Francisco area) to locate a new one and nobody carried them.? So, he asked me about used ones.? I suggested he try Ebay, and sure enough, he found a guy who lives within about 50 miles from him who specializes in restoring/maintaining '85/86 Honda Civics.? And, he of course, had a good used one.? True story.
Jack

    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 7:40:58 AM EDT, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 LOL, this is true! I've been working on cleaning?up the garage since my '76B has been in the shop, and came across some parts for it that I'd been holding on to for some reason, for years. Yesterday, I advertised a couple of Rostyles, an OEM jack, an oil pan and an exhaust downpipe. Guy contacted me about the down pipe and asked whether?I had the catalytic converter. I did, but didn't advertise it as I understand?that you're not supposed to sell used cats. It was actually in a garbage bag in preparation for getting tossed with the other trash Friday morning. He didn't want the pipe but I sold him the catcon!
Dan D'76B (in shop), '65BCentral NJ USA
http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/

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"If you haven't found a use for something yet you haven't kept it long enough"?If you can exchange it i.e. not have to pay again for the right stuff then fair enough.??
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I accidentally bought some red thread locker.? I?m pretty sure I don?t want to use it and I plan on exchanging it for some blue.

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From afterapex at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 14:16:46 2020
From: afterapex at gmail.com (greg powell)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 13:16:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [Mgs] threadlocker red
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My understanding of the rules (at least in CA) is that shops will not install a used Cat because the State wants to discourage the market for theft from cars.

I had a used Cat installed by a shop with the understanding it was because I needed to replace the pipe and muffler downstream.

> On Oct 7, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan.  Reminds me of my brother who lives in California where they are pretty strict about those things.  He bought a new 1985 Honda Civic when he moved to CA and took a job there.  He has driven this car to work every day since (about a 30 mile commute each way).  His car now has something over 400,000 miles on it, and he has never had any major failures (engine, trans, rear end etc.)  Recently when he took it in for inspection, the cat convertor was bad and it wouldn't pass the emissions test.  He tried all over town (San Francisco area) to locate a new one and nobody carried them.  So, he asked me about used ones.  I suggested he try Ebay, and sure enough, he found a guy who lives within about 50 miles from him who specializes in restoring/maintaining '85/86 Honda Civics.  And, he of course, had a good used one.  True story.
> 
> Jack
> 
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 7:40:58 AM EDT, Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> LOL, this is true! I've been working on cleaning up the garage since my '76B has been in the shop, and came across some parts for it that I'd been holding on to for some reason, for years. Yesterday, I advertised a couple of Rostyles, an OEM jack, an oil pan and an exhaust downpipe. Guy contacted me about the down pipe and asked whether I had the catalytic converter. I did, but didn't advertise it as I understand that you're not supposed to sell used cats. It was actually in a garbage bag in preparation for getting tossed with the other trash Friday morning. He didn't want the pipe but I sold him the catcon!
> 
> Dan D
> '76B (in shop), '65B
> Central NJ USA
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 02:57:24 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 09:57:24 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Race headers.
Message-ID: <01e901d69d51$0aa95670$1ffc0350$@btinternet.com>

Because the six has three pairs of pistons, moving in synch, but 360 degrees
out for ignition timing (EG No.1 on firing stroke, when No.6 is drawing
charge into the cylinder) a 6-2-1 design receives impulses into the
secondaries at irregular intervals.    A 6-3-1 gets an impulse regularly.
This impulse will be reflected back to the other of the pair, and if the
primary is the correct length, that impulse will be in its negative phase
when the exhaust valve opens.      This will improve flow out of the
cylinder, so that this design is called a "scavenger" or "extractor".    

The length of primary is critical.    The enclosed diagram refers to inlet
tuning but the same applies to exhaust manifolds.    As can be seen, the
usual length of 17-19" will boost extraction and power in the mid range,
where it will be most useful for a road car.    An out and out race engine
builder might consider longer, to gain at the top end.

For such pure race engines, 6-1 manifolds may be considered.     Look at any
F1 engine, or at the extraordinary manifold built by Gareth Thomas - see
enclosed.

John





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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 03:25:31 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davies)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 10:25:31 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Race Headers
Message-ID: <000e01d69d54$f85dd140$e91973c0$@btinternet.com>

Very interesting, Jim, thank you for sharing your experience and pics!

Deshrouding by grinding into the squish area risks losing that effect, and
leaves a greater circumference of the valve still shrouded by the chamber
walls.
A while ago, I happened to acquire a head which someone had deshrouded by
grinding those walls around the valve, opposite the squish, without
encroaching on the bore diameter.
This looked most innovative and potentially an advantage, but in use was a
disaster!     The head persistently blew its gaskets!   I presume that the
thinner face around the bore had become less rigid and allowed the edge to
flex and leak.

John

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu Oct  8 04:54:18 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:54:18 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Race headers.
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over the decades, Ive used a few different 6:3:1 designs and experimented
with all the published formula for length and pipe diameter,
 and found little (if any) measurable differences on my race cars

each one has its own unique sound but i cant say any one of them was "jsut
right"

maybe ive never managed to find the exact right combo of engine internal
design and exhaust design

i have noticed that pipes that turn sharply down where the exit from the
head sure dont work. the "best' result seems to be when the flow is more
towards the floor of the exhaust pipe and continues straight out from the
head a few inches before falling downwards

primary pipe lengths more like 22" seem to be better on race engines, but
as others have said, slightly shorter on road cars. some designs with
really short primarlies like those sold by Moss years ago, were no better
than factory cast-iron manifolds

terry
Australia


On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 6:58 PM John Davies via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Because the six has three pairs of pistons, moving in synch, but 360
> degrees
> out for ignition timing (EG No.1 on firing stroke, when No.6 is drawing
> charge into the cylinder) a 6-2-1 design receives impulses into the
> secondaries at irregular intervals.    A 6-3-1 gets an impulse regularly.
> This impulse will be reflected back to the other of the pair, and if the
> primary is the correct length, that impulse will be in its negative phase
> when the exhaust valve opens.      This will improve flow out of the
> cylinder, so that this design is called a "scavenger" or "extractor".
>
> The length of primary is critical.    The enclosed diagram refers to inlet
> tuning but the same applies to exhaust manifolds.    As can be seen, the
> usual length of 17-19" will boost extraction and power in the mid range,
> where it will be most useful for a road car.    An out and out race engine
> builder might consider longer, to gain at the top end.
>
> For such pure race engines, 6-1 manifolds may be considered.     Look at
> any
> F1 engine, or at the extraordinary manifold built by Gareth Thomas - see
> enclosed.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri Oct  9 08:10:27 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (kknight at klaenv.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 07:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Steve's Garage
Message-ID: <000001d69e45$f4172d60$dc458820$@klaenv.com>

https://youtu.be/rrs2cBBpL2s 

Greetings FOT:

If you have not found Steve's Garage on YouTube you are in for a treat!
Steve is FOT's own Steve Belfer who races the TR-3 his dad raced in the 60's
when Steve was growing up.  Relax, enjoy and subscribe to his channel as it
is great fun.

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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:10:30 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 10:10:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
Message-ID: <CAGctxs5tLTkzVUir74PpU8uMJUh9Apnpd1GNx8hi+3AkJPmsog@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other
Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom
Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.

Cheers,
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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 11 12:01:39 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:01:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
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Well done guys and congrats Mr Sargis

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
> 
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From terrysopher at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 12:07:04 2020
From: terrysopher at gmail.com (Terry Sopher)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:07:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
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Yes, Bravo Zulu & Congrats!


> On Oct 11, 2020, at 14:04, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?Well done guys and congrats Mr Sargis
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
>> 
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 12:21:22 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:21:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs HP
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The one SCCA race that I can recall racing with Steve Sargis was a few years ago at a Thompson Majors race.  I was in EP with my S2000.  Steve had the pole and finished first overall.  He was wicked fast.  Usually EP and FP cars are faster than HP cars, but that was not the case by far.  Congrats Steve.  JoeB

Sent from my iPhone

> 
> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Doug Mitchell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Congratulations to Steve Sargis, HP winner at Road America. Two other Spitfires also finished. 07, driven by Andrew Wright and 90 driven by Tom Broring. Andrew finished in 12th, and Tom finished in 10th.
>> 
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:28:49 2020
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 11:28:49 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
Message-ID: <177E6D05-1518-4DC7-B318-3FB3CF32ACFC@gmail.com>

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 

Ken Gano. 



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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct 13 10:42:07 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 12:42:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
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RIP Michael.

I always read his emails and posts to our lists. As you say his comments 
were always well thought through and very accurate. I noticed that not many 
recent comments were posted. Sad to hear this news. None of us are getting 
any younger and none of us are immortal.

JVV

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From: Ken Gano via Fot
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Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a 
long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week 
ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM.

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not 
been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home 
twice.

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points 
and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or 
saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely.

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. 
He will be sorely missed.

Ken Gano.



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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Oct 13 10:57:53 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 16:57:53 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
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Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

Bye Michael.



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:29 AM
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Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 

Ken Gano. 



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From vfracing at aol.com  Tue Oct 13 11:08:45 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
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Thanks for sharing the sad news. I never met him but he sounds like a very kind and knowledgeable person. A nice part of the  FOT legacy.
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
> 
> Bye Michael.
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
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> It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM. 
> 
> About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice. 
> 
> I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely. 
> 
> Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed. 
> 
> Ken Gano. 
> 
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:13:35 2020
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Obituary
References: <18AA13C6-091C-4F97-83C2-4865A5DEC807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCDBCAAC-C0F9-448E-A7B2-080D8BF06A40@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Brenna Bihler <brenna.bihler at gmail.com>
> Date: October 16, 2020 at 6:40:13 AM CDT
> To: Ken Gano <1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com>
> Subject: Obituary
> 
> ?Hi Ken. The official one will be published in the Roswell Daily Record Sunday, but wanted to share this with you. This was in Hawaii when he was in the Army. 
> 
> Take Care, Brenna
> 
> 
>> ?
>> Michael David Porter, 73, of Roswell, NM, passed away Sunday, October 11, 2020
>> 
>> Michael was born July 26, 1947, in San Antonio, oTexas, the son of the late John David and Joy Marie (Brokaw) Porter. 
>> 
>> After serving in the U.S. Army, he received his master's degree in English from Western Michigan University. He worked in several different fields, including teaching and technical writing.
>> He was a patient problem solver, and a voracious reader of history and politics. He loved a good game of Scrabble, long conversations, and good wine. Restoring vintage Triumph cars was a lifelong passion. 
>> 
>> He is survived by his daughter, Brenna Bihler, her husband Jason, and granddaughter Bella, of Nashville, TN, along with siblings John Porter of Foxboro, MA, Dennis Porter of Framingham, MA, Kelley (Brian) Smith of Stow, MA, and Peggy (Ralph Colelli) Porter of Wilmington, NC. He also leaves nieces and nephews, grandnieces and grandnephews, and cousins. In addition to his parents, he was predeceased by his beloved daughter, Catherine Porter. He was loved, and will be missed.
>> 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Oct 16 09:13:51 2020
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:13:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter
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Michael came to Albuquerque and photographed the epic road race in 2000.  Epic as he was able to record all the awesome wipeouts that were happening all over the track.  I will miss him and am sorry to hear of this loss.

Henry Morrison

Salt Lake City, UT


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________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Ken Gano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:28 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Michael D. Porter

It is with great sadness that I must pass along news of the passing of a long term list member and contributor, Michael Porter. Michael died a week ago Saturday in his home in Roswell, NM.

About 20 years ago we started playing on line Scrabble and there has not been a day since when we did not exchange emails. He has visited our home twice.

I recall trying to set up Weber carbs and Michael taking three data points and recommending jetting that turned out to be spot on. He never heard or saw the car run but was able to ?do the math? remotely.

Michael was a great friend and one of the most knowledgeable people around. He will be sorely missed.

Ken Gano.



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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct 17 19:58:31 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:58:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Ted Schumacher?
Message-ID: <c2742cd4-5993-0b7a-060d-87db62c5b791@bradakis.com>

I've been wondering about the 2020 Kastner Cup shirts I ordered, haven't 
heard back from Ted S.? Just busy, health problems, or ???

mjb.




From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 18 16:15:52 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear hub bearings
Message-ID: <E7BDD9B6-22AC-4DCB-9DF8-9F04D6F85FC3@icloud.com>

Does anyone have the Timken numbers for the bearing and race for the stock late style TR3 rear axle hubs?  Rebuilding one for my son?s car and have all the differential bearings, but need to source new bearings for the hubs. 

Thanks. 

Greg

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sun Oct 18 19:18:30 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear hub bearings
In-Reply-To: <E7BDD9B6-22AC-4DCB-9DF8-9F04D6F85FC3@icloud.com>
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Thanks everyone for the responses. 

They are:
Timken bearing is #2585
Timken race is #2523

I?ve ordered them from RockAuto

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone have the Timken numbers for the bearing and race for the stock late style TR3 rear axle hubs?  Rebuilding one for my son?s car and have all the differential bearings, but need to source new bearings for the hubs. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Greg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Oct 20 16:48:04 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 22:48:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs video is up!
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https://www.scca.com/videos?categories=scca-2020-runoffs
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 21:57:55 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 22:57:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Runoffs video is up!
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Wow! Steve Sargis in HP looked great narrowly dodging that first lap wreck and cruising on to the championship. And the other two Spitfires went the distance too, very impressive.

... and by my math this year starts Triumph?s 8th decade at the front of the pack.

Dusty Nicholson 
1955 TR3 EP #72

> On Oct 20, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:04:09 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 07:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.

Chuck Gee

From steve at artwithcars.com  Wed Oct 21 09:12:17 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
 =?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I?m racing.  New motor installed. We?ll see how it holds together!

Steve Belfer




> On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:14 AM, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From alanb at alanberrydesign.com  Wed Oct 21 10:53:06 2020
From: alanb at alanberrydesign.com (Alan Berry)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:53:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
	=?utf-8?q?Who=E2=80=99s_racing_with_VARA_at_Willow_Springs?=
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I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I
will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck.
Vittesse or Spitfire?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:12:46 2020
From: jon.wright.lbc at gmail.com (Jonathan Wright)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:12:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
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I will likely not be racing, I have my Air Force Reserve weekend those
days, but I will still probably come down and say hello!
Looking forward to seeing you guys

Jon Wright

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:54 AM Alan Berry via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I
> will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck.
> Vittesse or Spitfire?
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 11:28:49 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 19:28:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 
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Do a low flight over the track :)

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Jonathan Wright via Fot
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 2020 19:13
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Betreff: Re: [Fot] Who?s racing with VARA at Willow Springs in November?

 

I will likely not be racing, I have my Air Force Reserve weekend those days, but I will still probably come down and say hello! 

Looking forward to seeing you guys 

 

Jon Wright 

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:54 AM Alan Berry via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck. Vittesse or Spitfire?

 

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I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Oct 21 11:42:18 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:42:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 
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Ill come as a spectator. ??

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 On?Wednesday, October 21, 2020,?Steven Belfer via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

I?m racing.? New motor installed. We?ll see how it holds together!

Steve Belfer




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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 21:58:57 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:58:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 
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The Vitesse.  Still building a new spitfire motor.

Thanks,

Chuck

> On Oct 21, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Alan Berry <alanb at alanberrydesign.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm entered with Kevin Ayers old ride (silver Spitfire 1300). Not sure I will be able to make it but am trying. Hope to see you there Chuck. Vittesse or Spitfire?
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 7:14 AM Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I am!  Haven?t signed up yet but looking forward to it.
>> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Oct 21 23:00:13 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Race videos from Blackhawk last weekend
Message-ID: <b7f89ebb-a799-ee8d-7308-967a1833da57@tonydrews.com>

Best video first - race 3, great dice with a spridget at the end, I end 
up victorious although not entirely by my own merits:

https://youtu.be/-Y6VSQKr9SE

Race 1, rain race which I also won:

https://youtu.be/VPtVDNUlbhM

Race 2, drying track, came in 2nd - shortened due to a Volvo gone turtle:

https://youtu.be/wPoI4kOD9JE

Cheers, Tony Drews



From walt at hot-tr6.com  Fri Oct 23 18:23:08 2020
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 18:23:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
Message-ID: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>

I'm racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire
pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7
wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier
TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi
front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don't want the pressures to exceed
34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have
recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?

 

Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico



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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:42:24 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 20:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
In-Reply-To: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>
References: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>
Message-ID: <F0253A5D-CCC6-4AD8-BD8C-546567A814C8@gmail.com>

Walt,

We expect you to break Lewis Hamilton?s lap record on your new tires and wheels...

:-)

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>  
> Thanks as usual,
> Walt Hollowell
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 19:27:24 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
In-Reply-To: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>
References: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVbxDRCZLM0QQOe9jU-q8fLnDBZyFWko+vtyprKTqjYn8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and
end up with ~30 all round.

mike h

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire
> pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7
> wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some
> Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at
> 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to
> exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have
> recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>
>
>
> Thanks as usual,
>
> Walt Hollowell
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Oct 23 21:36:19 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 03:36:19 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVbxDRCZLM0QQOe9jU-q8fLnDBZyFWko+vtyprKTqjYn8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005701d6a99b$d9b39ba0$8d1ad2e0$@hot-tr6.com>,
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Hoosier usually publishes recommendations for each of their tires.

Scott (B)

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233

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Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:27:24 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question

Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.

mike h

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?



Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 02:42:08 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:42:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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Walt,
On the TDR?s on our TR4?s Dad and I have found it best to end up around 30 psi hot. ?They get really greasy above that. ? We start with a mix of 24-25 psi cold. ? I started at 23 last time at Thompson. ? I say a mix of pressures as we typically run opposite pressures higher/lower by 1 psi based on the different diffs at the rear of the cars; welded vs quaife. ?
Hope that helps!

Dave Gott
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, October 23, 2020, 11:37 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hoosier usually publishes recommendations for each of their tires.

Scott (B)

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:27:24 PM
To: walt at hot-tr6.com <walt at hot-tr6.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question?Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
mike h
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:


I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?

?

Thanks as usual,

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


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From steveadams55 at sky.com  Sat Oct 24 02:56:28 2020
From: steveadams55 at sky.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:56:28 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVbxDRCZLM0QQOe9jU-q8fLnDBZyFWko+vtyprKTqjYn8Q@mail.gmail.com>
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In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
> 
> mike h
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks as usual,
>> 
>> Walt Hollowell
>> 
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>> 
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From steveadams55 at sky.com  Sat Oct 24 02:58:32 2020
From: steveadams55 at sky.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:58:32 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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The first line should read   In the cold and wet UK.  I run these pressures all weathers as there is never that much variance in the UK. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 09:56, Steve Adams <steveadams55 at sky.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
>> 
>> mike h
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks as usual,
>>> 
>>> Walt Hollowell
>>> 
>>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>>> 
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 24 03:14:54 2020
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 12:14:54 +0300
Subject: [Fot] Tire Pressures Question
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Hi Steve, 

I used to run my Yokohama?s at 20 front, 21 rear psi in the dry/warm (never really hot in the UK) on my TR6 and 23-24 in the wet with my rear anti roll-bar disconnected?these settings were after a load of testing at different circuits too.

Keith 

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 11:58, Steve Adams via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The first line should read   In the cold and wet UK.  I run these pressures all weathers as there is never that much variance in the UK. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 09:56, Steve Adams <steveadams55 at sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?In the cold and wet up I run my 185/60 13 Yokohama?s at 21 to 22.  First lap can be a bit lively but they are much better for the duration. ESP at end when higher pressures send the tyres off and it becomes a slidefest. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 02:38, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Walt, on my Spitfire, with 13" TD-Rs I start with 26 front / 24 rear and end up with ~30 all round.
>>> 
>>> mike h
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> I?m racing my TR6 at COTA in a few days and have a question about tire pressures. Normally on a big track I run Hoosier SM7S 205 50 15s on my 15X7 wheels however SVRA requires I run treaded tires so I purchased some Hoosier TD R 23.0X75-15s. With my SM 7s I typically start my tires cold at 30 psi front and 25 in the rear and when hot I don?t want the pressures to exceed 34 front and 28 rear. With this in mind do any FOT members have recommendations on tire pressures both cold and hot for my TD Rs?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks as usual,
>>> 
>>> Walt Hollowell
>>> 
>>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Sat Oct 24 17:44:10 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 19:44:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ADVICE ON SELLING TR3 ROLLER
Message-ID: <000c01d6aa5f$9578df30$c06a9d90$@cox.net>

FOTs - I'd appreciate some advice on how to sell the former Abacus TR3
roller I previously advertised here.  The car is solid with no rust, needs
an engine and possibly an overdrive gearbox (I have a non-overdrive unit),
and the paint is pretty nice (BRG).

     The unassembled engine I had has been sold.  I also have a very nice
frame which has been sandblasted and painted.

     I'd appreciate your advice on what sites or other ideas on how to sell
this car.  I changed my plans and don't need it anymore.  It was very
successful when raced by Abacus.  I'd like to see it get back on the track.


     I'm asking $4500 - is this unreasonable?

     I hope to see some of you at Road Atlanta (VDCA) and Summit Point (VRG)
in Nov and Roebling Road (VDCA) in Dec.

     Take care, Hank

    

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 19:25:14 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 01:25:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
References: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>

I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.?
For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?? I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.? I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.? I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.? I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.? Joe B
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Oct 24 22:30:34 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 23:30:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
In-Reply-To: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>
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I use the Cometic 91mm gasket.? I've purposely NOT taken more out of the 
intake pocket since it already goes way outside the bounds of the liner 
- I just took the sharp edges off to keep from getting a hot spot.

The Cometic does intrude into the combustion chamber next to the intake 
valve but not by very much.

I also make sure to not relieve the liner outside the bounds of the fire 
ring in the gasket so it's supported on at least one side and can pass 
the heat to the liner.? I don't blow head gaskets, but I also don't run 
one for more than 2 seasons, normally for just one season.

Regards, Tony

On 10/24/2020 8:25 PM, Joe Boruch via Fot wrote:
> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the 
> conversation a few months ago.
>
> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you 
> done much relieving around the intake valves?? I have not found any 
> such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.? 
> I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it 
> still protruded.? I have been using steel shim head gaskets with 
> copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set 
> up.? I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years 
> (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head 
> gasket.? Joe B
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct 25 06:39:29 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 08:39:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
In-Reply-To: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F82C8CDE61D34C55885FA7A6BEEA65D7@VlackTK121647>

Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.

Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.

My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.

JVV

From: Joe Boruch via Fot 
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
To: FOT List 
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 07:00:19 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:00:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
In-Reply-To: <F82C8CDE61D34C55885FA7A6BEEA65D7@VlackTK121647>
References: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1299630452.267111.1603589114762@mail.yahoo.com>
 <F82C8CDE61D34C55885FA7A6BEEA65D7@VlackTK121647>
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Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a
Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and
another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes,
they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's
OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a
week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up
and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.

mike h

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing.
> 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve
> job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The
> shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the
> head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2
> years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I
> rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070
> milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing
> after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx.
> 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>
> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally
> show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets
> are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>
> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to
> your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it
> acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve
> used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a
> street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is
> worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>
> JVV
>
> *From:* Joe Boruch via Fot
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
> *To:* FOT List
> *Subject:* [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>
> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation
> a few months ago.
>
> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you
> done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such
> gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even
> bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still
> protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire
> o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held
> off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with
> S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Oct 25 07:10:34 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:10:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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References: <1299630452.267111.1603589114762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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That?s an excellent point to be considered too.
JVV

From: Mike Harmuth 
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack 
Cc: Joe Boruch ; FOT List 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges. 

mike h

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
  I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
  The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.

  Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.

  My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.

  JVV

  From: Joe Boruch via Fot 
  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
  To: FOT List 
  Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

  I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

  For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun Oct 25 07:34:35 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:34:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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Joe:
Looks like I am old school here. Been using the steel shim gasket or the Bastuck equivalent coated with spray on Hylomar with good results. Been trimming the gaskets to fit the chamber so there is no protrusion. I make sure the liners protrude .005 to .007. No O-rings. Use ARP head studs torqued to the factory specs then Re torqued several times and heat cycles. I don?t exceed the factory specs to avoid cracking the block around the studs at the ends of the block.  We have one head that is staked per Kastner?s recommendation, and one that is not. Both equally good.
With careful cleaning I can reuse the same steel shim gasket as long as the head and block are the same as the previous installation. This reduces the pain of trimming a new gasket every time. The protruding liners do a job very similar to the copper O-rings.
Having said this, I?ll probably lose a head gasket next time out....
Phil Gott 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> That?s an excellent point to be considered too.
> JVV
>  
> From: Mike Harmuth
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 9:00 AM
> To: Jerry Van Vlack
> Cc: Joe Boruch ; FOT List
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>  
> Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
>  
> mike h
>  
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
>> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
>> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>>  
>> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>>  
>> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>>  
>> JVV
>>  
>> From: Joe Boruch via Fot
>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
>> To: FOT List
>> Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>>  
>> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.
>>  
>> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 08:58:58 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 08:58:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I use Mordy?s solid copper gaskets, no o-ring, just copper coat.

My current gasket is on it?s second engine.

jim g

 

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Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 7:25 PM
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Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited

 

I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago. 

 

For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B

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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 14:43:33 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:43:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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I?ll have to contact Cometic again.  It was probably 10 years ago that I called them.  They wanted me to give them a block and head and then order 100 gaskets.  Was not feasible.  Joe B

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> On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
> 
> mike h
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Joe, my experience is only with a hot street engine but worth expressing. 87mm pistons and liners, .090 milled from head and Kastner D cam.
>> I ran a stock AE330 for almost 40 years with no issues then I did a valve job and hardened EX seats because of recession in #4 EX valve seat. The shop took another approx. .010 off the head (so now approx. .100 off the head) . I used the Cometic 91mm gasket and it burned through at #4 in 2 years of street driving. Maybe 15,000 miles.
>> The engine was tired by this time having been rebuilt in the 80?s. I rebuilt the engine and decided to use another AE330 with a new head at .070 milled. That gasket leaked because of my dumb mistake not re-torqueing after a few heat cycles. Replaced with another AE330 and now have approx. 10,000 miles with no issues. I did re-torque a couple of times.
>>  
>> Original AE330 copper gaskets are getting hard to find but occasionally show up on EBay, I just bought one. The ?new? repro AE 330 copper gaskets are not the same especially in the valve pocket area, I?ve compared them.
>>  
>> My point in al of this is take a look at how an original AE330 fits to your head and block and give it consideration, you might find it acceptable. Or continue to use the steel with thin copper wire that you?ve used. I am not a fan of the Cometic but admittedly mine was used on a street engine with no plans to change it every year. Tony?s experience is worthy of attention, he hammers that engine pretty hard.
>>  
>> JVV
>>  
>> From: Joe Boruch via Fot
>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:25 PM
>> To: FOT List
>> Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
>>  
>> I was not receiving list emails for a while, so I missed the conversation a few months ago.
>>  
>> For those of you using the composite or even Cometic gaskets, have you done much relieving around the intake valves?  I have not found any such gasket that would not protrude out into the combustion chamber.  I even bought one from BPNW that was good for up to 92mm bore, but it still protruded.  I have been using steel shim head gaskets with copper wire o-rings in the fire rings, but would like a simpler set up.  I have held off on putting my TR3 engine back together for years (while playing with S2000s and Miatas) waiting for a better head gasket.  Joe B
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 06:38:43 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:38:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 
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Hi Guys,

I am unfortunately still stuck in New England until November 21st. Maybe I
can start my engine build that was supposed to happen in March when I
return.

Steve, good luck with the rocket motor!

Cheers,


*Brad Eells*
*Chino CA*
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*#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4*
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From jaboruch at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 11:17:41 2020
From: jaboruch at yahoo.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:17:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Best head gasket revisited
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 I just checked with Cometic and they do not make a MLS head gasket for the TR3/4 engine.? Only copper or composite.? They cannot do a valve relief in the composite gasket - only round bores.? They can do a custom valve relief in copper, but those are already available from other sources.? They can do custom bigger bores for the composite gasket, such as a 91mm that another lister had posted a part number for back in July or August.?
They want $3-4000 to develop a MLS gasket so unless there was a huge interest, it is not feasible for me to do and go into the head gasket selling business.? Joe B
    On Sunday, October 25, 2020, 04:48:15 PM EDT, Joe via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 I?ll have to contact Cometic again. ?It was probably 10 years ago that I called them. ?They wanted me to give them a block and head and then order 100 gaskets. ?Was not feasible. ?Joe B

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On Oct 25, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:



?Cometic will do a custom gasket for a minimal?one time charge. I've had a Spitfire gasket made thick to make up for an over zealous?block milling and another one with a wider piston opening. Once they make the design changes, they send you a PDF with the dimensions listed for your approval. When it's OK, they assign?a part number and CNC it out. Design turn around is about a week and another week to make it. After the first one is made, just call up and order replacements with your customer number, no extra charges.
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From candjmiller236 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 06:27:16 2020
From: candjmiller236 at yahoo.com (Judi & Craig Miller)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:27:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Wheels for GT6+
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Hi all,I have been in the process of rebuilding my 1969 GT6+ for quite a while.? It sat on stands for over 40 years and virtually every component has required rebuild or replacement.? I ran Minilight wheels when I raced the car during the 1970's but have decided that due to their age the Minilights are going to be used for rain tires after the car is back together.? I have decided to go with Panasport Prolites and am wondering if there is a dealer / distributor for Panasport out there that would work with me on ordering a new set.Thanks in advance,Craig Millercandjmiller236 at yahoo.com
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 31 09:41:39 2020
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 09:41:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Wheels for GT6+
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I bought my Panasports from Ted Schumacher.


> On October 31, 2020 at 6:27 AM Judi & Craig Miller via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>     Hi all,
>     I have been in the process of rebuilding my 1969 GT6+ for quite a while.  It sat on stands for over 40 years and virtually every component has required rebuild or replacement.  I ran Minilight wheels when I raced the car during the 1970's but have decided that due to their age the Minilights are going to be used for rain tires after the car is back together.  I have decided to go with Panasport Prolites and am wondering if there is a dealer / distributor for Panasport out there that would work with me on ordering a new set.
>     Thanks in advance,
>     Craig Miller
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 10:35:23 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 11:35:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Cold_Air_Intake_for_7=E2=80=9D_headlamp_replacem?=
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FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

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From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Sat Oct 31 11:26:41 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:26:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
Message-ID: <BC914C5E-9ADD-43E4-BF62-2A6AB57E025B@icloud.com>

Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?  It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?  If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 11:38:35 2020
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 17:38:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
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 The factory did that to "stake" the woodruff key.
It's normal and it's also where cracks start when you beat on the axles.
It should be okay for a street car, but you should crack test while its apart.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, October 31, 2020, 1:27:20 PM EDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?? It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?? If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg
 

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Sat Oct 31 11:42:51 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 17:42:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 
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Great idea - please put it on a hinge - parked it?s closed - fully open at speed
:-)

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On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 11:47:38 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:47:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 
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Thanks Tony.  Interesting idea.

I am seeing more and more cold intakes in vintage racing.

Pegasus has them for $200 in Carbon Fiber. We will have spun aluminum at a fraction of that cost. 

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> On Oct 31, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com> wrote:
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> ? Great idea - please put it on a hinge - parked it?s closed - fully open at speed 
> :-)
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>>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> FOT,
>> 
>> We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.
>> 
>> Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 12:28:46 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 18:28:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car
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 Yeah it's to keep the key from going in too far and wedging up the ramp in the end of the keyway, and I 2nd crack-checking that thing once it's apart.
Glen Efinger
 
 
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From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2020 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 rear axle inspection - road car

 The factory did that to "stake" the woodruff key.
It's normal and it's also where cracks start when you beat on the axles.
It should be okay for a street car, but you should crack test while its apart.
Regards,Bob Lang

    On Saturday, October 31, 2020, 1:27:20 PM EDT, Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Rebuilding Will?s TR3 rear axle this weekend and found little notches at the end of the shear key on both axles. The picture is if the passenger side which is the worst. 

1). How does this happen?? It doesn?t look like a crack more like punch or chisel marks at the end of the key. 

2). Is this problematic as a stress riser for a street car?? If so, can I just grind and smooth these marks out and be good?

Thanks. 

Greg
 

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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 31 14:20:16 2020
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:20:16 -0500
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Speaking of air. I have an air box on eBay right now. It's for the TR3 TR4 engine with SU or Stromberg carbs.

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Subject: [Fot] Cold Air Intake for 7? headlamp replacement.

FOT,

We now have the tooling designed to produce a cold air intake with 3? tube, to mate with our current headlamp replacement.

Any interest?  Trying to set priorities.

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