From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri May  1 04:35:44 2020
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 06:35:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bb37bfad7d997607ddd97bb86ac450c@tr4racer.com>

FWIW, the Moldex crank I bought back back in the early 2000's has 
counterweights that foul the webbing in the block as well. I talked to 
Ken Gilanders about it, he said that is what you want, use an angle 
grinder to make notches in the block for clearance. I think you need to 
grind two, maybe three webs.

It is much easier if you remember to do that before you take the block 
to the machine shop and get it cleaned!

On 2020-04-30 18:29, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote:
> I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from
> Joe Flowers in June 2017.  I received it in September 2017.  At my
> next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the
> prepared engine block.  It would not completely rotate as the
> counterweight hit the engine block.  The counterweights had not been
> completely machined.  I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone
> call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.  In about 2-1/2 weeks I
> received the crank back.  I finished the engine rebuild, took the
> engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.
> Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely
> tapped.  The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke
> a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again
> called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to
> Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks.
> Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no
> problems.
> 
> I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in
> shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.
> Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the
> shipping costs.  Twice I was told a check had been sent.  I have not
> received the $130 as of this date.
> 
> This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a
> billet crankshaft from Moldex.

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May  1 04:54:05 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 10:54:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms  - Rick Cline Record
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References: <DM6PR15MB34202E6B0B7949DCDC67D39FE1AD0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
 <115853340.1946699.1588263555912@mail.yahoo.com>,
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Yes, it was.  And that 1.7 miles didn't include what is now the slowest corner on the track - 3A (or 3D if you prefer).  Blackhawk is also not 1.95 miles these days, as advertised.  It's more like 1.75.  But 3A really slows things down, which was the intent.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233


________________________________
From: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020, 6:43 PM
To: Robert M. Lang
Cc: Fot; Barr, Scott
Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms - Rick Cline Record

FoT,

Note the track length of 1.70 miles. This was before they added 3A and expanded the track to 1.950 miles.

Allen Washatko
TR6 - #6



> On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> <FB_IMG_1588202837544.jpg>


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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri May  1 04:54:36 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 06:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] J Fray Badges
Message-ID: <EB2C110E-7B25-4B35-BD99-9E91314DC1FD@columbus.rr.com>

Joseph Fray LTD made badges for the British cars amoung others.  Somewhere along the line a magazine or club Newsletter did an article on this company that described their Manufacturing process. I?m sure I saved it but may have been digital and lost on an old computer. Would like to find again if anyone can help 

Tom

From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May  1 05:47:36 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 07:47:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
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References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO0FjVYs8b15de-r5Xbp7CxeYAbgkJa2ovTHBT_9unCSfrgu8w@mail.gmail.com>

I went with a Moldex "ghost main" style crank last year and had to do a
small bit of block relief as well. It wasn't unexpected since this style
crank doesn't have the same profile as a stock crankshaft. I was working
with a "new" block anyway so I had the machine shop do a test fitting
before full prep and it really wasn't a big issue.

mike h

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 6:36 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> FWIW, the Moldex crank I bought back back in the early 2000's has
> counterweights that foul the webbing in the block as well. I talked to
> Ken Gilanders about it, he said that is what you want, use an angle
> grinder to make notches in the block for clearance. I think you need to
> grind two, maybe three webs.
>
> It is much easier if you remember to do that before you take the block
> to the machine shop and get it cleaned!
>
> On 2020-04-30 18:29, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote:
> > I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from
> > Joe Flowers in June 2017.  I received it in September 2017.  At my
> > next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the
> > prepared engine block.  It would not completely rotate as the
> > counterweight hit the engine block.  The counterweights had not been
> > completely machined.  I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone
> > call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.  In about 2-1/2 weeks I
> > received the crank back.  I finished the engine rebuild, took the
> > engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.
> > Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely
> > tapped.  The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke
> > a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again
> > called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to
> > Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks.
> > Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no
> > problems.
> >
> > I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in
> > shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.
> > Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the
> > shipping costs.  Twice I was told a check had been sent.  I have not
> > received the $130 as of this date.
> >
> > This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a
> > billet crankshaft from Moldex.
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May  1 06:18:21 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 08:18:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS rear axles and converted Corvair rear hubs
Message-ID: <63B38A97A5A7446386CE3E7DBD8431BA@VlackTK121647>

I have a set of upgraded Goodparts iRS rear axles (U-Joint style) assembled to modified Corvair hubs made by Marty Sukey that I don?t need any longer. I?d like them to go to someone who might need them. They are in excellent condition.

I replaced them on my 4A when I converted to the R-200 diff and Goodparts CV axles. I also have a pair of modified 4A trailing arms (they are different than TR6 trailing arms, not sure what 250?s used) for these axles with Keensert  inserts installed for the 6 hub mounting studs.

Make me an offer if interested. Will consider selling axles and hubs separately.

Note, if interested for a TR6 you must modify your trailing arms for U-joint clearance. The 4A trailing arms have a different bump stop arrangement and will not work on a TR6. 

Regards,

JVV
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May  1 08:38:37 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 07:38:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
Message-ID: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>

On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella's name on it
which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.  

 

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small
businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll
costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when
it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and
straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.
It is a waste of money to have these guys 'help' you.

 

Second, I don't mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a
partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as
they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing
us, I don't mean hiding the 'opt out' button in the fine print where it is
easy to miss.

 

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is
the issue.  A bit sad I think.

 

Ken

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri May  1 12:01:22 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:01:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
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Message-ID: <499811661.421660517.1588356082892.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

When this happens, you cannot have confidence in the part anymore. Who knows what other flaws may be present. Luckily you have raced it without a problem. 
Marcel. 


Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19 
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft 



I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017. I received it in September 2017. At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block. It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block. The counterweights had not been completely machined. I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem. In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back. I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on. Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped. The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. 



I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice. Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs. Twice I was told a check had been sent. I have not received the $130 as of this date. 



This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. 



Tim Murphy 

1961 Triumph TR4 #317 



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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May  1 14:32:54 2020
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:32:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
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 Ken
Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.

Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver. ?Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.

?

In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual ?loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding. ?

?

We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast. ?You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.

?

Regards,

?

Tony

?

Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.

?

Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX? 76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

tony at svra.com



    On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:  
 
  Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.
   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDTSubject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
 
On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.? 

 ?

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.? My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.? Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your? payroll the application is a snap.? It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.

 ?

Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.? By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.

 ?

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.? A bit sad I think.

 ?

Ken
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From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com  Fri May  1 14:34:59 2020
From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:34:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
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Well written Tony.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2020, at 1:33 PM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Ken

Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.


Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.



In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.



We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.



Regards,



Tony



Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.



Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX  76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

tony at svra.com<mailto:tony at svra.com>

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On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:


Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements


On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.



First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.



Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.



Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.



Ken

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May  1 15:04:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:04:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
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 I was going to stay out of this Moldex thread but I guess I'm not the only one who has had problems.First, it's not uncommon to have to relieve areas in the block for counterweight clearance, that isn't necessarily the fault of the manufacturer.
 Now what is their fault, considering that Moldex was #1 in my experience, not too many years ago, I ordered 3 TR-3/4 cranks, and gave them 2 numbers for journal size, rods & mains, no guessing on journal size +/-.4-5 months AFTER the scheduled delivery date I got them.BE journal size was good, the mains were fat by .0009, damned near a full thou!So much for oil clearance...No machine shop wants to touch a job that sensitive so they had to go back to Moldex.When I finally got them back, then I discovered the problem on 2 of them with the flywheel bolt holes not being indexed properly and several poorly tapped holes.
We also had one fail once when very badly over-revved, but I noticed something peculiar in the failed section and sent it back to them for analysis, curiosity more than anything, never heard a word back...FWIWGlen
 
-----Original Message-----
From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: timmmurphh <timmmurphh at gmail.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 1, 2020 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

#yiv0541564891 #yiv0541564891 p.yiv0541564891MsoNormal, #yiv0541564891 li.yiv0541564891MsoNormal, #yiv0541564891 div.yiv0541564891MsoNormal {margin-top:0.0in;margin-right:0.0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:0.0in;line-height:106.0%;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;}#yiv0541564891 span.yiv0541564891EmailStyle17 {font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv0541564891 *.yiv0541564891MsoChpDefault {font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;}#yiv0541564891 div.yiv0541564891WordSection1 {}#yiv0541564891 When this happens, you cannot have confidence in the part anymore. Who knows what other flaws? may be present. Luckily you have raced it without a problem.Marcel.
Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems.?I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date.?This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex.?Tim Murphy1961 Triumph TR4 #317?
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May  1 15:04:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:04:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <499811661.421660517.1588356082892.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
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 I was going to stay out of this Moldex thread but I guess I'm not the only one who has had problems.First, it's not uncommon to have to relieve areas in the block for counterweight clearance, that isn't necessarily the fault of the manufacturer.
 Now what is their fault, considering that Moldex was #1 in my experience, not too many years ago, I ordered 3 TR-3/4 cranks, and gave them 2 numbers for journal size, rods & mains, no guessing on journal size +/-.4-5 months AFTER the scheduled delivery date I got them.BE journal size was good, the mains were fat by .0009, damned near a full thou!So much for oil clearance...No machine shop wants to touch a job that sensitive so they had to go back to Moldex.When I finally got them back, then I discovered the problem on 2 of them with the flywheel bolt holes not being indexed properly and several poorly tapped holes.
We also had one fail once when very badly over-revved, but I noticed something peculiar in the failed section and sent it back to them for analysis, curiosity more than anything, never heard a word back...FWIWGlen
 
-----Original Message-----
From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: timmmurphh <timmmurphh at gmail.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 1, 2020 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

#yiv0541564891 #yiv0541564891 p.yiv0541564891MsoNormal, #yiv0541564891 li.yiv0541564891MsoNormal, #yiv0541564891 div.yiv0541564891MsoNormal {margin-top:0.0in;margin-right:0.0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:0.0in;line-height:106.0%;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;}#yiv0541564891 span.yiv0541564891EmailStyle17 {font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv0541564891 *.yiv0541564891MsoChpDefault {font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;}#yiv0541564891 div.yiv0541564891WordSection1 {}#yiv0541564891 When this happens, you cannot have confidence in the part anymore. Who knows what other flaws? may be present. Luckily you have raced it without a problem.Marcel.
Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems.?I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date.?This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex.?Tim Murphy1961 Triumph TR4 #317?
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 15:50:06 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
In-Reply-To: <14061827.398419.1588365174274@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>
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Message-ID: <CABFvdWummUsw8eN1Mmu5E9TcuqYRn0neF=Fvk9vAEjUGFS=D0A@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,

Please don't take me off any mailing lists for saying this,  For a lot of
folks vintage racing has been a non-profit, club activity for a very long
time. The thought of doing things differently and following a well run
business model that would include something like this can run counter to
some guys vintage club DNA.  Through the wrong filter, something with
honorable intentions like this offer can be seen as wrong-minded. On a bad
day the sun doesn't ever shine.

To get the right filter we have to consciously change the lens.  In our
pre-covid world tracks were already struggling with generating enough
revenue to make business sense. Now the future is even more scary.   Any
track, or any organization that wants to be in the business of promoting
events has a huge challenge in front of them post pandemic. They have to
try new and different things, they have to take care of their people, and
find a way to do that while paying all the bills. The SVRA has been doing
that since you took over. I don't agree with everything the SVRA does
that's okay.

Can I recruit some backers for the Woodstock 6 social distancing festival?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:33 PM Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Ken
>
> Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about
> SVRA on FOT.
>
> Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup
> driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must
> admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off
> base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this
> directly to me if you had questions.
>
>
>
> In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP
> applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and
> several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans
> processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner
> workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process
> small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook
> Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook
> Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help
> people get their much needed funding.
>
>
>
> We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like
> the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness
> for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special
> membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by
> our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change
> my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure
> you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing
> nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our
> customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my
> name is spelled Parella.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.
>
>
>
> *Tony Parella*
>
> *CEO/SVRA*
>
> *Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company*
>
> *1312 Regency Court*
>
> *Southlake, TX  76092*
>
> *214-475-8088 ? Cell*
>
> *tony at svra.com* <tony at svra.com>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing
> us again.
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
> *Subject:* [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
>
> On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it
> which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.
>
>
>
> First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help
> small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover
> payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this
> application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.
> Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the
> application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help?
> you.
>
>
>
> Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a
> partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as
> they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing
> us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is
> easy to miss.
>
>
>
> Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money
> is the issue.  A bit sad I think.
>
>
>
> Ken
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May  2 06:43:17 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 14:43:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
Message-ID: <1522169191.424885287.1588423397604.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sat May  2 07:08:37 2020
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 13:08:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
Message-ID: <CY4PR16MB1512682C9FFF1094C45A095390A80@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!

Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more.

it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!

I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!

I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.

Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th.

This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates?

my finger's on the trigger.

Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)



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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat May  2 09:42:25 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 10:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR16MB1512682C9FFF1094C45A095390A80@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Any lightweight flywheels for a Spit 1300?

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided
> it would be a better idea to race a Healey!
>
> Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their
> way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings
> to hook me up with more.
>
> it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack
> of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front
> hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An
> aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!
>
> I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is
> threatened unless you step up!
>
> I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it
> all down 10 years ago.
>
> Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability
> to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in
> Salt lake about July 15th.
>
> This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure
> plates?
>
> my finger's on the trigger.
>
> Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who
> had a use for it)
>
>
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sat May  2 09:59:30 2020
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 15:59:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
In-Reply-To: <CAJRV2ebSb02KhF_gJMn3v05X+6rndNiYc9xPooUakWce1BzqHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CY4PR16MB1512682C9FFF1094C45A095390A80@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
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Message-ID: <5a937178501044c2b1f451a0b7d0bb0c@dieselperformanceparts.com>

Shawn I have an aluminum one set up for  7.25" clutch. Has like 20 LAPD on it. It is NOT a Fidanza brand. The steel ring gear is thru bolted not sealed with a bolt 1/2 in the aluminum and the other 1/2 in the ring gear. Custom done correctly so it won't separate down the road.  I  have gone to a Tilton hydraulic slave/release bearing set up. All my stuff has to be between 0.175 -0.250 between the clutch fingers and the release bearing. Ive gone with steel flywheels so all the engines can just bolt the tranny on and not have to readjust the spacing.  So now I  have this really nice flywheel and won't be using it. You or someone needs it.



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/2/20 10:46 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Henry A. Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
Cc: fot <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?

Any lightweight flywheels for a Spit 1300?

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!

Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more.

it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!

I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!

I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.

Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th.

This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates?

my finger's on the trigger.

Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)



Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat May  2 10:07:38 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 10:07:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Shawn, which 1300?? Not that I have one, but it might help your search.

mjb.



From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat May  2 10:15:13 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 11:15:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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References: <CY4PR16MB1512682C9FFF1094C45A095390A80@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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Large bearing, late 1300

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 11:07 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Shawn, which 1300?  Not that I have one, but it might help your search.
>
> mjb.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tony at svra.com  Fri May  1 14:14:39 2020
From: tony at svra.com (Tony Parella)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:14:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FW:  SVRA Advertisements
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Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.

 

In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.  

 

We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony

 

Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today. 

 

Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX  76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

 <mailto:tony at svra.com> tony at svra.com



 

 

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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >

Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT

Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements

 

On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.  

 

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.

 

Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.

 

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.

 

Ken

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From tony at svra.com  Fri May  1 16:14:12 2020
From: tony at svra.com (Tony Parella)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 18:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
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Bob, thank for note. It?s a crazy time in our history. We were so excited to help so many people get funded that other email really was hurtful. It goes with being in public. Hopefully we will be racing at Indy and mid- ohio. We will be putting out all the steps we are taking to try and make it safer than going shopping to buy groceries. Safe safe, TP

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 1, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Tony,
> 
> Please don't take me off any mailing lists for saying this,  For a lot of folks vintage racing has been a non-profit, club activity for a very long time. The thought of doing things differently and following a well run business model that would include something like this can run counter to some guys vintage club DNA.  Through the wrong filter, something with honorable intentions like this offer can be seen as wrong-minded. On a bad day the sun doesn't ever shine.
> 
> To get the right filter we have to consciously change the lens.  In our pre-covid world tracks were already struggling with generating enough revenue to make business sense. Now the future is even more scary.   Any track, or any organization that wants to be in the business of promoting events has a huge challenge in front of them post pandemic. They have to try new and different things, they have to take care of their people, and find a way to do that while paying all the bills. The SVRA has been doing that since you took over. I don't agree with everything the SVRA does that's okay. 
> 
> Can I recruit some backers for the Woodstock 6 social distancing festival? 
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:33 PM Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Ken
>> 
>> Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.
>> 
>> Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.
>>  
>> In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.  
>>  
>> We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Tony
>>  
>> Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.
>>  
>> Tony Parella
>> CEO/SVRA
>> Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company
>> 1312 Regency Court
>> Southlake, TX  76092
>> 214-475-8088 ? Cell
>> tony at svra.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.
>> 
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
>> Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
>> 
>> On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat May  2 13:29:59 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 21:29:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hello Marcel,

 

Your engine has leaking valves.

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .

Something to make sure about.

 

Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?

PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?

Marcel

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May  2 14:30:25 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 22:30:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 

Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 

Chris 




Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot 
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43 
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 





A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 


PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 


Marcel 

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat May  2 15:30:42 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 15:30:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Marcel,

By any chance do you flush out your valve guides in the ports? The reason I ask is it raises hell with the valve grinder when they try to get a good square grind

for some reason.

jim g

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 2:30 PM
To: tr4racing <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

Hallo Chris,

of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).

Marcel

 

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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

Hello Marcel,

 

Your engine has leaking valves.

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .

Something to make sure about.

 

Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?

PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?

Marcel


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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat May  2 15:36:31 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 17:36:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hallo Chris,
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
Marcel

Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

Hello Marcel,
 
Your engine has leaking valves.
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
Something to make sure about.
 
Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
 
A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
Marcel

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From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 20:38:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky
TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash
adjustment.


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or
> to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust
> valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them
> wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing
> overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really
> aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the
> cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>
> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hallo Chris,
> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put
> the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings
> that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe
> the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I
> will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve
> clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will
> reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a
> racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with
> increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash :
> I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a
> race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances,
> the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot
> upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with
> normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the
> compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the
> engine has a race camshaft).
> Marcel
>
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Aan: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>
> Hello Marcel,
>
>
> Your engine has leaking valves.
> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
> Something to make sure about.
>
>
> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the
> valve train.
>
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *van.mulders.marcel---
> via Fot
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
> *An:* fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>
>
> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl
> no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2
> (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The
> compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with
> a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high
> overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I
> did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" :
> compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on
> cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went
> up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a
> lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder
> if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when
> the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be
> risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to
> perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot
> of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
> Marcel
>
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun May  3 00:25:38 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:25:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hi Scott, 
The 110? degrees is really the valve overlap, in crankshaft degrees, as you understand it, but at the recommended operating valve lash, 0.016". Checking at 0.050" would result in much lower overlap. Installed at 103?(=advanced a bit) , inlet valve is opening 53? before TDC and exhaust valve is closing at 57? after TDC. But 110? is a lot of overlap :the BFE24 grind has 112? but most racecams are between 95 and 105? it seems. The cam in my engine is installed at 104?, I'm thinking of trying to advance it to 100? ; then the inlet valve is closing earlier. Now the engine has a REAL 210 hp, with the leaking valves and I'm just starting the testing on my engine dyno. People who are racing TR6 engines are easily talking about 230 and 250hp but you never know what that means. But 210? is disappointing, it should go up, more so because the displacement is 2720cc (evenly spaced bores of 78mm) 
Marcel 


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Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be> 
Cc: "tr4racing" <tr4racing at googlemail.com>, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 23:36:31 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 

Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution? Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine. 

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 

Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 
Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 
Chris 



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An: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun May  3 00:28:47 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:28:47 +0200 (CEST)
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Hi Jim, 
The valve guides have an oval shape in the ports, but are not shortened. 
Marcel 


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Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



Marcel, 

By any chance do you flush out your valve guides in the ports? The reason I ask is it raises hell with the valve grinder when they try to get a good square grind 

for some reason. 

jim g 




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Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 





Hallo Chris, 


of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 


Marcel 






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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 





Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 

Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 

Chris 




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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 





A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 


PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 


Marcel 



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From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
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The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is 110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC) 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Zondag 3 mei 2020 02:38:14 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 

I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA). The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA. LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment. 


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 



Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution? Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine. 

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 

Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 
Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 
Chris 



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Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43 
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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 

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Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Mr. Morrison,
Any chance you have a set of GT6 hubs and uprights in your "box o' hubs" ?
Thanks!?
V/r,
M. Huovinen

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 #yiv8242677350 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!
Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more. ?
it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!? How about old transmissions?? An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?? It nearly fits!
I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!
I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.?
Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th. ?
This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates??
my finger's on the trigger.
Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May  3 05:44:59 2020
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Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 07:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Marcel:
There are many variables that influence the absolute value of the maximum pressure you record in a compression test. The purpose of the test is not to determine your compression ratio, but to detect differences in pressure between cylinders. Significant differences are an indication of an incipient failure or worn parts. The best practice would be to do an initial compression test after engine break in and then periodically after that, making sure to duplicate as much as possible the conditions of your initial test. That way you can track the relative health of the cylinder components.
Phil Gott 

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> On May 3, 2020, at 2:51 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is  110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC)
> Marcel
> 
> Van: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> Aan: "Scott Janzen" <sjanzen at me.com>
> Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Zondag 3 mei 2020 02:38:14
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
> 
> I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>> 
>> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo Chris,
>> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>> 
>> Hello Marcel,
>>  
>> Your engine has leaking valves.
>> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
>> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
>> Something to make sure about.
>>  
>> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
>>  
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>  
>> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
>> An: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>>  
>> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
>> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
>> Marcel
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May  3 05:44:59 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 07:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Marcel:
There are many variables that influence the absolute value of the maximum pressure you record in a compression test. The purpose of the test is not to determine your compression ratio, but to detect differences in pressure between cylinders. Significant differences are an indication of an incipient failure or worn parts. The best practice would be to do an initial compression test after engine break in and then periodically after that, making sure to duplicate as much as possible the conditions of your initial test. That way you can track the relative health of the cylinder components.
Phil Gott 

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> On May 3, 2020, at 2:51 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is  110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC)
> Marcel
> 
> Van: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> Aan: "Scott Janzen" <sjanzen at me.com>
> Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Zondag 3 mei 2020 02:38:14
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
> 
> I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>> 
>> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo Chris,
>> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>> 
>> Hello Marcel,
>>  
>> Your engine has leaking valves.
>> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
>> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
>> Something to make sure about.
>>  
>> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
>>  
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>  
>> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
>> An: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>>  
>> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
>> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
>> Marcel
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun May  3 07:04:20 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 09:04:20 -0400
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I see.  Difficult for me to compare, as all of the cam opening/closing data I have is at 50/1000, not the recommended operating clearances.  I do agree with Phil Gott?s email that the compression numbers are primarily useful as relative checks against each other.  If something is out of line it indicates an issue.

On May 3, 2020, at 2:25 AM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote:

Hi Scott,
The 110? degrees is really the valve overlap, in crankshaft degrees, as you understand it, but at the recommended operating valve lash, 0.016". Checking at 0.050" would result in much lower overlap. Installed at 103?(=advanced a bit) , inlet valve is opening 53? before TDC and exhaust valve is closing at 57? after TDC. But 110? is a lot of overlap :the  BFE24 grind has 112? but most racecams are between 95 and 105? it seems. The cam in my engine is installed at 104?, I'm thinking of trying to advance it to 100? ; then the inlet valve is closing earlier. Now the engine has a REAL 210 hp, with the leaking valves and I'm just starting the testing on my engine dyno. People who are racing TR6 engines are easily talking about 230 and 250hp but you never know what that means. But 210? is disappointing, it should go up, more so because the displacement is 2720cc (evenly spaced bores of 78mm)
Marcel

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Hallo Chris,
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
Marcel

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

Hello Marcel,
 
Your engine has leaking valves.
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
Something to make sure about.
 
Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
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Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
 
A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
Marcel

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May  4 01:13:08 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 09:13:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio - Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <002401d621e3$7753c600$65fb5200$@gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

 

I have plans to come over to USA to race with you.

About 6 weeks to go.

As far I know there is a 14 days quarantine for foreigners to enter the USA and maybe also in Europe on the way back.

Currently I have no idea if I can make it because 14 days more in USA is not on my flight schedule and time scale with my job.

 

Depending on the situation in the next 2 weeks I?m prepared to cancel the flights for Harry, Holger and me.

 

Hopefully Corona will fade out quickly to make Mid Ohio happen for us but I have small hopes.

 

Cheers

Chris

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From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au  Mon May  4 16:54:11 2020
From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (geoff byrne)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 08:54:11 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Lucas Fuel Injection
Message-ID: <018c01d62266$edf20c80$c9d62580$@optusnet.com.au>

Amici

Does anyone on this forum know of any six cylinder Triumphs racing with the
mechanical fuel cam operated by the throttle . This system was widely used
in race cars of the 1960 and 70 and available at the time through Lucas. Kas
reports in one of his publications of experimenting with this system to
overcome the limitations of the vacuum driven fuel cam. The throttle driven
fuel control system is currently available through Kinsler  in the US.  I'm
currently using a throttle driven fuel control mechanism on my TR6 race car
but am using the existing fuel cam to comply with current regulations. This
however greatly limits the ability to accurately control the AFR over the
full rev range . The adoption of the Kinsler unit overcomes this problem but
you no longer have a choke of WOT adjustment as you have on the standard
Lucas unit.

I am interested in corresponding with any racer who has fitted the Kinsler
unit.

Kind Regards 

Geoff Byrne 

TR6 racer down under

 

PS I've self-isolated in my machine shop , lots to do

 

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon May  4 21:51:19 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 13:51:19 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Lucas Fuel Injection
In-Reply-To: <018c01d62266$edf20c80$c9d62580$@optusnet.com.au>
References: <018c01d62266$edf20c80$c9d62580$@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b10=EZ8UiKPoXOzWL5vOUYzMJ=vDmc9H+_4B5-tZ6LOjw@mail.gmail.com>

this is the Lucas race set up for those who have never seen it. . i
rebuilt/tuned quite a few back in the day. horrible job juggling/grinding
fuel cams. was used on lots of race engine, 6, 6, 8 and 12. with both 6mm
and 8mm internal shuttle sizes (tiumph were 6mm)

Terry

[image: 6 mm metering units 1.JPG]





On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:54 AM geoff byrne via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici
>
> Does anyone on this forum know of any six cylinder Triumphs racing with
> the mechanical fuel cam operated by the throttle . This system was widely
> used in race cars of the 1960 and 70 and available at the time through
> Lucas. Kas reports in one of his publications of experimenting with this
> system to overcome the limitations of the vacuum driven fuel cam. The
> throttle driven  fuel control system is currently available through
> Kinsler  in the US.  I?m currently using a throttle driven fuel control
> mechanism on my TR6 race car but am using the existing fuel cam to comply
> with current regulations. This however greatly limits the ability to
> accurately control the AFR over the full rev range . The adoption of the
> Kinsler unit overcomes this problem but you no longer have a choke of WOT
> adjustment as you have on the standard Lucas unit.
>
> I am interested in corresponding with any racer who has fitted the Kinsler
> unit.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Geoff Byrne
>
> TR6 racer down under
>
>
>
> PS I?ve self-isolated in my machine shop , lots to do
>
>
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Wed May  6 12:24:52 2020
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 14:24:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
Message-ID: <77C0A922-08F5-41EF-9C80-F54AA71423F9@gmail.com>

Hey all,

Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!

Thanks!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319




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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May  6 14:44:27 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:44:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
In-Reply-To: <77C0A922-08F5-41EF-9C80-F54AA71423F9@gmail.com>
References: <77C0A922-08F5-41EF-9C80-F54AA71423F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCA4052F-420D-4BD5-B473-C1F2D898803B@aol.com>

Jeff;
I bought a stock Laycock TR6 pressure plate from Rimmer Bros or Miss (can?t recall which) and then sent it to California Clutch for uprating. I believe they installed a stiffer diaphragm.  So far, so good.
If you have a flat faced throwout bearing, you need a pressure plate with curved diaphragm fingers. If using a stock TR6 throwout bearing with a curved face, you need a diaphragm with flat fingers. Flat on flat will work but may not be as smooth.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey all,
> 
> Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May  6 14:44:27 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:44:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
In-Reply-To: <77C0A922-08F5-41EF-9C80-F54AA71423F9@gmail.com>
References: <77C0A922-08F5-41EF-9C80-F54AA71423F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCA4052F-420D-4BD5-B473-C1F2D898803B@aol.com>

Jeff;
I bought a stock Laycock TR6 pressure plate from Rimmer Bros or Miss (can?t recall which) and then sent it to California Clutch for uprating. I believe they installed a stiffer diaphragm.  So far, so good.
If you have a flat faced throwout bearing, you need a pressure plate with curved diaphragm fingers. If using a stock TR6 throwout bearing with a curved face, you need a diaphragm with flat fingers. Flat on flat will work but may not be as smooth.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey all,
> 
> Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  6 18:48:46 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 00:48:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>


I received this from SVRA last night. It has some important items that will apply to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio.  I hope to have some info regarding over crew passes after they meet with the track next week. As of right now SVRA still says its a go, Mid-Ohio still says its a go. The Governor of Ohio is slowly relaxing things.  We will have to be conscious of social distancing while still hanging out together. Based on what is currently happening in Ohio you should plan on making, buying, borrowing, stealing, some sort of mask to wear. Maybe we should have some kind of award for the most creative mask. ?  I expect to be making a bunch of updates come June so please keep an eye on the list as things start shaking out. Things are still very fluid currently. There are presently 56 Triumphs registered.

Marty Sukey




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Getting Back On Track


"Our goal is to make racing with SVRA safer than going to the grocery store."

The health and safety of our racers, staff and workers is our top priority.  Anticipating our return to racing?we have been working with the tracks, public health experts and public safety professionals, to prepare a comprehensive operating plan that addresses COVID-19 and meets or exceeds, the health and safety standards and directives put forth by the CDC.

We are ready to go racing and committed to doing it responsibly!  Following are many of the procedures and processes that we will be implementing to create a safe event experience.

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Registrars and Tech to wear shields
  *   Social Distancing ? 6 feet
LOAD-IN
  *   Social Distancing to be followed during the process
  *   Supply masks to truck drivers if they don?t have them
REGISTRATION
  *   Registrars to wear masks, gloves and shields
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DRIVERS MEETING
  *   Meeting via services like ?Zoom? at pre-determined and published times
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  *   Area to be sanitized each day
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RACE CONTROL
  *   Area to be sanitized each day
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  *   ?No contact? trophy presentations
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  *   Family and team members need to maintain Social Distancing
CAR SHOW
  *   Cars lined up at least 6 ft apart
  *   Car information card filled out by entrant
BANQUET
  *   No Banquets or large gatherings until Social Distancing rules are lifted     CORNER WORKER/EMERGENCY SERVICES
  *   Chief Steward to meet with corner workers and emergency services staff to ensure they understand and follow Social Distancing and safety processes and procedures
IN CASE of ILLNESS DURING the EVENT
  *   Isolate the person
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  *   SVRA team to notify Race Director and President of situation

If you have questions or need additional information, send a request to info at svra.com.

Your continued support of SVRA is important to us. Please take care, I look forward to seeing you at the track soon.

Best Regards,

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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Wed May  6 22:37:33 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 00:37:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Devin Body/TR6 frame
Message-ID: <00d601d62429$3b632260$b2296720$@cox.net>

FOT - I thought I sent this a few weeks ago but received no response(s) and
a friend said he never received it.  So am resending.

      I have a Devin fiberglass body in primer (believed to be a Vanquist?)
that has never been mounted on a frame.  It comes with doors, a bonnet and
trunk with fairing.  The body is sitting on a TR6 bare frame (no suspension,
no engine, gearbox, etc) but not mounted on it.  The frame has floorboards.
The former owner started to modify the frame for a V8 engine, but went on to
another project.  I received the Devin in a deal with the former owner.  I
never intended to build it.  The frame sits on a rolling wood base.

    The photos don't show the bonnet and trunk, which I have.  There is also
a mold for the bonnet and the trunk.

     This would be a major project but the Devins are rare and this would be
a fun race or street car.

     I will accept any reasonable offer.  The body is in Virginia Beach.  If
no one is interested I will try Barn Finds, Bring-a Trailer or Ebay.  If you
want to see some completed Devins, go to past auctions on Bring a Trailer.  

     Call to discuss.  I am available days and nights until 10PM.

     Take care and stay safe.  Hank

     

 

Hank Giffin

757-375-1491

 

 

 

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Thu May  7 05:43:09 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (grandwazoo at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 07:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Devin Body/TR6 frame
Message-ID: <c9b5e245-ffc9-45ed-b457-7e0752261276@Mikes-iPhoneq>


Got it! Sadly, I?m not yer buyer

Mike

Sent from EarthLink Mobile mail

On 5/7/20, 12:37 AM, Henry Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

FOT ? I thought I sent this a few weeks ago but received no response(s) and a friend said he never received it. So am resending.

I have a Devin fiberglass body in primer (believed to be a Vanquist?) that has never been mounted on a frame. It comes with doors, a bonnet and trunk with fairing. The body is sitting on a TR6 bare frame (no suspension, no engine, gearbox, etc) but not mounted on it. The frame has floorboards. The former owner started to modify the frame for a V8 engine, but went on to another project. I received the Devin in a deal with the former owner. I never intended to build it. The frame sits on a rolling wood base.

The photos don?t show the bonnet and trunk, which I have. There is also a mold for the bonnet and the trunk.

This would be a major project but the Devins are rare and this would be a fun race or street car.

I will accept any reasonable offer. The body is in Virginia Beach. If no one is interested I will try Barn Finds, Bring-a Trailer or Ebay. If you want to see some completed Devins, go to past auctions on Bring a Trailer.

Call to discuss. I am available days and nights until 10PM.

Take care and stay safe. Hank

Hank Giffin

757-375-1491

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From bfloyd6677 at aol.com  Thu May  7 08:38:11 2020
From: bfloyd6677 at aol.com (Bryan Floyd)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 14:38:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.? So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.? Price is?$9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.? Details and many photos available upon request.? We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.? Includes parts to run FP or GTL? If interested let's talk....
Fresh build 1500cc engine:

?????????Pauter Rods

?????????Weisco Pistons

?????????Cyl. Head new 1 test day

?????????Baffled pan with windage tray

?????????Accusump

?????????Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares

?????????Oil to water cooler

?????????Gear Reduction starter w/new spare

?????????Stahl header with spares

?????????Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate

?????????New Tilton annular slave

?????????HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils


?
?????????Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder headw/matching intake & Cam 


?
Drivetrain/suspension

?????????Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans

?????????Multiple assembled Diffs

?????????Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums

?????????Multiple rear spring options

?????????Adjustable rear uprights

?????????AVO adjustable shocks

?????????Multiple front sway bars

?????????Tilton pedals w/new cylinders

Misc.

?????????2nd Chassis w/race body GlennGraham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook

?????????Spare new f-glass quarters + several used piecesincluding hood

?????????3 sets Revolution wheels 

?????????Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019

?????????Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019

?????????Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019

?????????Spare trans

?????????Driveshaft & Axles 

?????????Large usable spares pkg


?
BryanFloyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com? five one three?405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades??

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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu May  7 09:08:59 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 16:08:59 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 145
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Geoff,

No immediate advice from Sideways, no one has said that they have used it.
But you made me recall an article by Kas, about this mod, that appeared in
the UK magazine "Triumph World".
I enclose a PDF of the article.

John

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May  7 09:57:28 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 15:57:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
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That?s a pretty good price for a lot of neat stuff!

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bryan Floyd via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 9:38 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale


So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested let's talk....


Fresh build 1500cc engine:

?         Pauter Rods

?         Weisco Pistons

?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day

?         Baffled pan with windage tray

?         Accusump

?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares

?         Oil to water cooler

?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare

?         Stahl header with spares

?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate

?         New Tilton annular slave

?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils



?         Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder head w/matching intake & Cam


Drivetrain/suspension

?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans

?         Multiple assembled Diffs

?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums

?         Multiple rear spring options

?         Adjustable rear uprights

?         AVO adjustable shocks

?         Multiple front sway bars

?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
Misc.

?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook

?         Spare new f-glass quarters + several used pieces including hood

?         3 sets Revolution wheels

?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019

?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019

?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019

?         Spare trans

?         Driveshaft & Axles

?         Large usable spares pkg



Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com<mailto:bfloyd6677 at aol.com>  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades?
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu May  7 10:19:26 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 10:19:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.



From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu May  7 11:53:14 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 12:53:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>

Looks like a great deal, but there has to be a good story behind such a specific asking price. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Floyd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested let's talk....
> 
> Fresh build 1500cc engine:
> ?         Pauter Rods
> ?         Weisco Pistons
> ?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day
> ?         Baffled pan with windage tray
> ?         Accusump
> ?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares
> ?         Oil to water cooler
> ?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare
> ?         Stahl header with spares
> ?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate
> ?         New Tilton annular slave
> ?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils
>  
> ?         Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder head w/matching intake & Cam
>  
> Drivetrain/suspension
> ?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans
> ?         Multiple assembled Diffs
> ?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums
> ?         Multiple rear spring options
> ?         Adjustable rear uprights
> ?         AVO adjustable shocks
> ?         Multiple front sway bars
> ?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
> Misc.
> ?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook
> ?         Spare new f-glass quarters + several used pieces including hood
> ?         3 sets Revolution wheels
> ?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019
> ?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019
> ?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019
> ?         Spare trans
> ?         Driveshaft & Axles
> ?         Large usable spares pkg
>  
> Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades? 
> <20200507_094912_resized.jpg>
> <Spitfire Sell Sheet.docx>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May  7 12:44:55 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
 <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>
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If it is not an exact calculation of what he has in it  here's my guess.
It is an "anchor price" as defined by Chris Voss, an FBI negotiation expert
and author of Never Split the Difference. It tells you that he has worked
out the value/price calculation to the last penny and should elicit a
response that starts a buyer at a higher price, or to just say, "that's
fair", I'll take it.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:53 PM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Looks like a great deal, but there has to be a good story behind such a
> specific asking price.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 7, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Floyd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my
> H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47
> OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not
> cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made
> some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will
> actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested
> let's talk....
>
> Fresh build 1500cc engine:
> ?         Pauter Rods
> ?         Weisco Pistons
> ?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day
> ?         Baffled pan with windage tray
> ?         Accusump
> ?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares
> ?         Oil to water cooler
> ?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare
> ?         Stahl header with spares
> ?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate
> ?         New Tilton annular slave
> ?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils
>
> ?         Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder head w/matching intake
> & Cam
>
> Drivetrain/suspension
> ?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans
> ?         Multiple assembled Diffs
> ?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums
> ?         Multiple rear spring options
> ?         Adjustable rear uprights
> ?         AVO adjustable shocks
> ?         Multiple front sway bars
> ?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
> Misc.
> ?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car
> w/logbook
> ?         Spare new f-glass quarters + several used pieces including hood
> ?         3 sets Revolution wheels
> ?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019
> ?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019
> ?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019
> ?         Spare trans
> ?         Driveshaft & Axles
> ?         Large usable spares pkg
>
> Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA
> 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades?
> <20200507_094912_resized.jpg>
> <Spitfire Sell Sheet.docx>
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May  7 14:47:25 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 16:47:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
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If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about
all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> "Events will be closed to spectators"
>
> Not what I wanted to hear.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Thu May  7 15:13:25 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 21:13:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
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 <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>,
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Message-ID: <9E60B7D3-B76D-4B2D-8633-92D9567696A9@mhc-law.com>



Sent from my iPhone
Yea, just announced here that they don?t expect the virus to reach its peak until late July...stay at home still in place
On May 7, 2020, at 4:47 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.


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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu May  7 16:14:00 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 08:14:00 +1000
Subject: [Fot] COVID motorsport impact
In-Reply-To: <9E60B7D3-B76D-4B2D-8633-92D9567696A9@mhc-law.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
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 <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>
 <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+UW8b3BBs45T8BHPYYdqjyX4WVcYTDbvEACFcohPQ9X2vixog@mail.gmail.com>

just saying Hi from the other side of the world (australia).

like you guys, we have been affected by COVID 19, but not nearly as bad it
seems , as our Federal and State Governments moved very quickly to
effectively lock-down the country and close state borders. restrictions are
just starting to ease after about 100 days in force. we have had nothing
like the outbreaks we hear about in NY .

anyhow, motorsport here is still effectively banned due to a combination of
social distancing and maximum crowd numbers. I was a bit amazed to see
Kastner Cup is still scheduled

our large local track is planning to re-open for very limited use next
week; basically private practise and such like, with strict rules re social
distancing.

another nearbye track operator has told us that he cannot get
insurance coverage for any sort of  event until the Government removes all
forms of restrictions on gatherings, so thats what is stopping him opening,
and possibly many other similar tracks.

I  wish you all the very best. see you in 2021 i hope

Terry


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu May  7 19:13:35 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 01:13:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
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All parties involved including the state of Ohio are doing their best trying to read the future of a very fluid situation that we all know changes weekly. I can guarantee that no matter what decision is made somebody is not going to like it. In the end it is a personal choice each will have to make when the time comes. Some have already chose to stay home and that is ok.

Marty

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:47 PM
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update

If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.


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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 03:18:36 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 10:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 145
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1588701602.18536.fot@autox.team.net>
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Further, about directly controlled Lucas Pi.
You will now that several other manufacturers used Lucas Pi.  Developed on
racing Jaguars, it was used by Maserati for production cars and Ford on
racing Capris.    A UK race engineer, Ric Wood, uses direct control Pi on
his current 
race Capri.      His website is at https://ricwood.com/

I can't see anything about Lucas pi there, but maybe he would help you?

John

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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri May  8 09:43:48 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 11:43:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale
Message-ID: <ae520fe7-9b1c-7621-a3c1-a7e9d5969164@bright.net>

 ? Just got in a Lotus Europa parts "stash".? Part of the collection are 
2 sets of 13" alloy wheels. 1 set Ansen 13" x 6" w/4" back space.? Other 
set is Cosmic 13" x 5.5" w/4" back space. 5 Cosmic wheels are pictured 
but one has severe curb damage. Wheels weigh 13# each for either brand.? 
Street car or rain tire spares. Thanks for your time. Ted

Pictures at http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/salvagearrivals.html

-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
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103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:22:09 2020
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 12:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch Pressure Plate Sourced
Message-ID: <BE9ED2A6-365C-4DA7-8E37-557511AC92A8@gmail.com>

Thanks to Richard Good at Goodparts I sourced a heavy duty Borg & Beck clutch kit for the TR3 vintage race car spare engine.  Don?t need the disc and bearing, but that?s the only way to get one of the good pressure plates it appears.  

Thanks to all the input from fellow FOTers!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319




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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:30:18 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 11:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch Pressure Plate Sourced
In-Reply-To: <BE9ED2A6-365C-4DA7-8E37-557511AC92A8@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABFvdWuesmN4=ZMdkU3RfiGVRVK9RW3aSC8HJmaVa7OX_uFreA@mail.gmail.com>

When the gyms open again you need to work that left leg!

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks to Richard Good at Goodparts I sourced a heavy duty Borg & Beck
> clutch kit for the TR3 vintage race car spare engine.  Don?t need the disc
> and bearing, but that?s the only way to get one of the good pressure plates
> it appears.
>
> Thanks to all the input from fellow FOTers!
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  8 11:20:58 2020
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 12:20:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale
In-Reply-To: <ae520fe7-9b1c-7621-a3c1-a7e9d5969164@bright.net>
References: <ae520fe7-9b1c-7621-a3c1-a7e9d5969164@bright.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.112.1588958498.2961.fot@autox.team.net>

...and for the Stag folks. I have a set of OEM alloy  wheels I'd like to sell.
Thanks
Dennis 

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Sent: ?5/?8/?2020 10:45 AM
To: "FOT" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale

 ? Just got in a Lotus Europa parts "stash".? Part of the collection are 
2 sets of 13" alloy wheels. 1 set Ansen 13" x 6" w/4" back space.? Other 
set is Cosmic 13" x 5.5" w/4" back space. 5 Cosmic wheels are pictured 
but one has severe curb damage. Wheels weigh 13# each for either brand.? 
Street car or rain tire spares. Thanks for your time. Ted

Pictures at http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/salvagearrivals.html

-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
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Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
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From biznzman at pacbell.net  Sun May 10 14:55:44 2020
From: biznzman at pacbell.net (STEPHEN BOROWSKI)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:55:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Request for the Spec sheet for the Kastner G3 TR4 Camshaft
References: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All,Does anyone have a copy of the valve timing specification for the Kastner G3 camshaft. I am installing the camshaft in my TR4 race engine and the spec sheet I have is in my garage in San Diego and naturally I'm in Florida.
Thank You,Steve B
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sun May 10 15:31:29 2020
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Request for the Spec sheet for the Kastner G3 TR4 Camshaft
In-Reply-To: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2014165858.1074337.1589146289323@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Steve.? I don't have a spec sheet on the G-3, but the specs are in Kas's Competition Preparation Manual. 

 G-3 Camshaft:Inlet opens 51 degrees BTDCInlet closes 79 degrees ABDCExhaust opens 79 degrees BBDCExhaust closes 51 degrees ATDC
Duration is 309 degreesTotal lift at the valve is .499When using a degree wheel, checking clearance is .011 at the camshaft.The rocker arm adjustment is .016 hot.
I hope this helps.
Jack


    On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 5:02:19 PM EDT, STEPHEN BOROWSKI via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hello All,Does anyone have a copy of the valve timing specification for the Kastner G3 camshaft. I am installing the camshaft in my TR4 race engine and the spec sheet I have is in my garage in San Diego and naturally I'm in Florida.
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 10 18:18:36 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
References: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66@aol.com>

Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 10 19:19:08 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66@aol.com>
References: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DF58F8F1-2893-4B7C-AFF1-072D577345E9@gmail.com>

Have you got Kas? last book? It has a chapter on ?avoiding oil leaks in wet sleeve engines?. It discussed the real seals and rope seals

Commercial Message: We have that book at a very low price to FOT. And we just received a batch of Viton Seals. Will discount.

We also have new runs of front and rear engine plates in aluminum.

Thanks,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 10, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May 13 14:46:34 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:46:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
In-Reply-To: <003101d62949$93dd65c0$bb983140$@uprichard.net>
References: <003101d62949$93dd65c0$bb983140$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>


Some of you have already seen this, many of you know Randall from Team 
Net and elsewhere.

mjb.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
Date: 	Wed, 13 May 2020 13:11:42 -0400
From: 	andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 	triumphs at autox.team.net



I have gone back and forth about posting this, but Randall is a friend 
of all of us, and I don?t think he would mind me sharing.

Last week I left a couple of vm messages, saying we were worried about 
him. This morning when I got up, I saw he had called and left a message 
at 3am EDT.

The message was very garbled and disjointed but he said he was in a 
hospital and I heard other voices in the background, one of whom was 
saying ?I?m your nurse, remember??

It was definitely Randall and I have no reason to believe the call was 
not genuine. If he is in hospital, I don?t know why (but I can guess).

I did try to call back, but didn?t get through. I left him a message 
saying I was sorry to hear he was in hospital but that there were a lot 
of people who would be rooting for him.? Please keep him in your 
thoughts and prayers.

Andrew

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May 13 15:45:20 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:45:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Possible Team Net outage
Message-ID: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>

We had some severe wind gusts in Salt Lake Monday afternoon, about half 
of a large tree blew over, sort of hitting the garage and some cars.? 
Take a look at http://bradakis.com/net_wire.jpg to get an idea of what 
happened.? Inside that marked off area you can see a black wire.? That 
is Team Net's connection to the world. Getting all the fallen branches 
off that wire is beyond my capabilities.? We've contacted some 
professional tree removers, haven't heard back yet, so not sure when the 
mess will be cleaned up.

So basically if we get more wind gusts over the next day or two all that 
debris could shift and take out that network cable.? And Team Net would 
be off the air for who knows how long.? So be aware of that 
possibility.? If it happens, you might be seeing a status message from 
hoosierq at gmail.com that may look suspicious at first glance.? It will be 
from me.

And another note, the old problem of delayed email seems to be occurring 
again.? Currently the delay is one the order of an hour or so, I'll be 
looking into the situation.

Fun times indeed!

mjb.



From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed May 13 15:50:52 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
In-Reply-To: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>
References: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B7A9A006-E3B2-4BE0-8BA5-20D1E0862AAB@gmail.com>

Thank you for sharing. He came on the FOT very early on and is a treasure trove of Triumph information.

He has been a good friend over the years. I hope he is OK or will be.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 13, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Some of you have already seen this, many of you know Randall from Team Net and elsewhere.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:    [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
> Date:    Wed, 13 May 2020 13:11:42 -0400
> From:    andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> To:    triumphs at autox.team.net
> 
> 
> 
> I have gone back and forth about posting this, but Randall is a friend of all of us, and I don?t think he would mind me sharing.
> 
> Last week I left a couple of vm messages, saying we were worried about him. This morning when I got up, I saw he had called and left a message at 3am EDT.
> 
> The message was very garbled and disjointed but he said he was in a hospital and I heard other voices in the background, one of whom was saying ?I?m your nurse, remember??
> 
> It was definitely Randall and I have no reason to believe the call was not genuine. If he is in hospital, I don?t know why (but I can guess).
> 
> I did try to call back, but didn?t get through. I left him a message saying I was sorry to hear he was in hospital but that there were a lot of people who would be rooting for him.  Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers.
> 
> Andrew
> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed May 13 17:20:11 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:20:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible Team Net outage
In-Reply-To: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>
References: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVaYeG2ByJp5upi7haT-Zfbu+d5oj7iFN9jY7ym8oUpd_A@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, screw the cable, they'll make more. Save the cars.

mike h

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> We had some severe wind gusts in Salt Lake Monday afternoon, about half
> of a large tree blew over, sort of hitting the garage and some cars.
> Take a look at http://bradakis.com/net_wire.jpg to get an idea of what
> happened.  Inside that marked off area you can see a black wire.  That
> is Team Net's connection to the world. Getting all the fallen branches
> off that wire is beyond my capabilities.  We've contacted some
> professional tree removers, haven't heard back yet, so not sure when the
> mess will be cleaned up.
>
> So basically if we get more wind gusts over the next day or two all that
> debris could shift and take out that network cable.  And Team Net would
> be off the air for who knows how long.  So be aware of that
> possibility.  If it happens, you might be seeing a status message from
> hoosierq at gmail.com that may look suspicious at first glance.  It will be
> from me.
>
> And another note, the old problem of delayed email seems to be occurring
> again.  Currently the delay is one the order of an hour or so, I'll be
> looking into the situation.
>
> Fun times indeed!
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu May 14 06:29:40 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 08:29:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Farndon (UK) steel cranks forf TR3/TR4
Message-ID: <3cf2849b-ef6b-40e0-0218-febdb5791456@bright.net>

Hi List. We have 2 new Farndon steel cranks in the UK. These are a 
"dummy" 5 main configuration.? Pictures are attached.? Price is $2350 
landed in Pandora, OH.? Can deliver to Mid-Ohio.? Thanks for your time. Ted

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tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu May 14 08:17:54 2020
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:17:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>

 

I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.

 

"I am Mike Cook's son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing
a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted
Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of
characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young,
Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group
44 livery. Thanks"

 

Can I get a second?

 

Thanks

Paul

 

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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu May 14 08:26:46 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:26:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
Message-ID: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>

It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a classic car.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu May 14 08:01:26 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:01:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] steel cranks -version 2
Message-ID: <9a07b13c-927d-1810-a0ec-8067f29a80da@bright.net>

 ?Hi Guys. Sorry about that. Not all pics went out. Yes there is a "long 
tail" (early) TR6 crank as well. Here are pics of TR3/4. Ted

-- 
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Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

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From paulricco at att.net  Thu May 14 09:13:51 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:13:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
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Message-ID: <D0965A56-6FB6-4475-A26B-B3DE74F07C29@att.net>

Second.

Paul Ricco

> On May 14, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
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From paulricco at att.net  Thu May 14 09:13:51 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:13:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <D0965A56-6FB6-4475-A26B-B3DE74F07C29@att.net>

Second.

Paul Ricco

> On May 14, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:26:50 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eaZf+ShQi3B9j125KhPFky05kB2JpTEK8Fc3+FRD7M9_g@mail.gmail.com>

Second!!!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:09 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

>
>
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
> Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>
>
>
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire
> towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got
> from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very
> colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius,
> Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to
> Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>
>
>
> Can I get a second?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
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>
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:36:39 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <57480370-B121-40F1-B3EF-B4B631FDC670@gmail.com>

Second, of course.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 14, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:39:41 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:39:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
In-Reply-To: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
References: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVZfwn2U8ayC2SHzKXLmpHQcTBpCTjMy=j8zDdDHNBoW0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Seems like a good price for a driver quality car. Maybe there's hope for
GT-6s as well.

mike h

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:09 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not
> exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a
> classic car.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:59:24 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAGctxs42VeytMoNCaizThtwbKKeBKhkhj07ZTDGjov_PgVyPzA@mail.gmail.com>

Seconded.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 11:08 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

>
>
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
> Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>
>
>
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire
> towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got
> from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very
> colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius,
> Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to
> Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>
>
>
> Can I get a second?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
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>
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 10:03:33 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 16:03:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
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Message-ID: <2057622648.155603.1589472213594@mail.yahoo.com>

 second

    On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 10:08:59 AM CDT, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
?

I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.

 ?

?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?

 ?

Can I get a second?

 ?

Thanks

Paul

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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May 14 15:39:07 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 17:39:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVZfwn2U8ayC2SHzKXLmpHQcTBpCTjMy=j8zDdDHNBoW0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
 <CAO0FjVZfwn2U8ayC2SHzKXLmpHQcTBpCTjMy=j8zDdDHNBoW0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcGMEZ294j73hd3M7-5f4nGvq1R4d+pQ=W9x4AHEx0-Hzg@mail.gmail.com>

The swing in bids for a TR6 is about $20K, according to data from BAT.  No
TR6 will be trouble free no matter how well prepared.  Never buy a Triumph
without first looking at the underside on a lift.


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Seems like a good price for a driver quality car. Maybe there's hope for
> GT-6s as well.
>
> mike h
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:09 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not
>> exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a
>> classic car.
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Thu May 14 21:33:43 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 03:33:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>

Local news here in Ohio announced tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio
races at the end of this month. FYI
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 15 06:50:26 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 12:50:26 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514701652F55DBB385D46B3BABD0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Yesterday Governors reports showed more venues being allowed to open May 26 allowing softball game and other sports as well as campgrounds. Nothing about racetracks yet but I'm sure bigger fish are in the fire. I would expect more releases as time goes on. I have been in contact with SVRA and Mid-Ohio and they are anticipating the Kastner Cup taking place. Things are still in a bit of uncertainty but I'm hoping for the best. I will post changes as I hear them from SVRA and the track.

Marty

________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of T. R. Householder via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:33 PM
To: 'fot at autox.team.net' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio

Local news here in Ohio announced  tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio races at the end of this month. FYI
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 15 07:06:02 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:06:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
Message-ID: <f883d60b-db3e-2050-6606-738ef12ae052@bradakis.com>

On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> Local news here in Ohio announced? tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio 
> races at the end of this month. FYI 

 From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.

mjb.



From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May 15 07:26:28 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <f883d60b-db3e-2050-6606-738ef12ae052@bradakis.com>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
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Message-ID: <9922C353C97D428383A50AD307E12C5A@VlackTK121647>

Exactly, the post just added confusion to an already confusing situation.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 9:06 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio

On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> Local news here in Ohio announced  tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio races 
> at the end of this month. FYI

>From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.

mjb.


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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 07:52:10 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
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Thanks to all who replied.

I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
Hope to see you in Ohio,

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> 
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
> Erie, PA 16506
> 
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> Fax:        888-865-5279
> Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
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> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> 
> Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 07:52:10 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR04MB6935735653B421292CF2C044B4BD0@CH2PR04MB6935.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR04MB6935735653B421292CF2C044B4BD0@CH2PR04MB6935.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C815C470-204C-4879-A7AA-F7400BE567A7@aol.com>

Thanks to all who replied.

I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
Hope to see you in Ohio,

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> 
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
> Erie, PA 16506
> 
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> Fax:        888-865-5279
> Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
> 
> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> 
> Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Fri May 15 08:02:16 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <9922C353C97D428383A50AD307E12C5A@VlackTK121647>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
 <f883d60b-db3e-2050-6606-738ef12ae052@bradakis.com>
 <9922C353C97D428383A50AD307E12C5A@VlackTK121647>
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What I just read, referring to the NASCAR Xfinity race scheduled for the
end of the month.

On Fri, May 15, 2020, 9:52 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Exactly, the post just added confusion to an already confusing situation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 9:06 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio
>
> On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> > Local news here in Ohio announced  tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio
> races
> > at the end of this month. FYI
>
> From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.
>
> mjb.
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 15 08:45:32 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:45:32 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Car purchase intermediary?
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB34208DD9EBFA02213177A952E1BD0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Has anybody used a good car purchase intermediary?  I have a client who wants to buy a Corvette from a remote location and both buyer and seller are justifiably nervous.
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:47:00 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:47:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
References: <291708787.810321.1589554020315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Amici...
Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Fri May 15 08:55:59 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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Nice thought, but not with a Triumph, however.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:53 AM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici...
>
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse
> power...
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:57:19 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:57:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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I?d run out of paint.....

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Amici...
> 
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:57:19 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:57:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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I?d run out of paint.....

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Amici...
> 
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri May 15 09:05:20 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
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I recently disassembled the engine from my TR3 and the rear main area was dry.  This was my first TR engine build.  I used the orange RTV and carefully watched it just squeeze through gaps and cracks around the bearing cap as I installed the rope covered in RTV.  That is the only place I used the orange RTV on the engine or anywhere else.  I made a rope install tool just like Kas suggests in his book.  What I did find was that the front engine plate was leaking between the plate and engine at the bottom.  Oil from this leak makes it's way all over the oil pan and drips off the bolts and back from there.  Also, my trans front seal was leaking and that slings fluid around inside the bell housing then drips out the hole at the bottom.  The slinging oil also finds it's way out around the clutch fork shaft exiting the bell housing.  These two leaks made it difficult to tell if the rear main was leaking or not.  I also found trans fluid coming from one of the bolts holding the tail housing on.  These obviously need to be sealed up better than they were.  At least the rear main wasn't leaking.  I'll be more confident installing the rope seal this time around.  
Dave H.
> On May 15, 2020 at 6:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to all who replied.
> 
> I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
> Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
> Hope to see you in Ohio,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Mike
> > 
> > Michael T. Moore, CPA
> > 3255 West 26th Street
> > Erie, PA 16506
> > 
> > Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> > Fax:        888-865-5279
> > Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
> > 
> > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> > To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> > 
> > Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> > Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> > Phil Gott
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 15 09:29:56 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:29:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
In-Reply-To: <291708787.810321.1589554020315@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <291708787.810321.1589554020315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <291708787.810321.1589554020315@mail.yahoo.com>
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My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.



From bownes at web9.com  Fri May 15 09:56:43 2020
From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 11:56:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
In-Reply-To: <DD88CF2E-F140-4D3A-ADCB-D65F7C5D1BC3@aol.com>
References: <291708787.810321.1589554020315@mail.yahoo.com>
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I'd run out of oil.


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 11:25 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?d run out of paint.....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Amici...
>
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse
> power...
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 15 10:04:36 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 16:04:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
References: <858068590.855745.1589558676709.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <858068590.855745.1589558676709@mail.yahoo.com>

Just another sign that you're going FAST.
Bill

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 On?Friday, May 15, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.


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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 15 11:42:46 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 12:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <637019605.265946.1589555120112@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CH2PR04MB6935735653B421292CF2C044B4BD0@CH2PR04MB6935.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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Isn't the leak from the trans front oil seal a short term solution for
lubing the cross shaft? I have yet to keep one of these totally dry.

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:25 AM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I recently disassembled the engine from my TR3 and the rear main area was
> dry.  This was my first TR engine build.  I used the orange RTV and
> carefully watched it just squeeze through gaps and cracks around the
> bearing cap as I installed the rope covered in RTV.  That is the only place
> I used the orange RTV on the engine or anywhere else.  I made a rope
> install tool just like Kas suggests in his book.  What I did find was that
> the front engine plate was leaking between the plate and engine at the
> bottom.  Oil from this leak makes it's way all over the oil pan and drips
> off the bolts and back from there.  Also, my trans front seal was leaking
> and that slings fluid around inside the bell housing then drips out the
> hole at the bottom.  The slinging oil also finds it's way out around the
> clutch fork shaft exiting the bell housing.  These two leaks made it
> difficult to tell if the rear main was leaking or not.  I also found trans
> fluid coming from one of the bolts holding the tail housing on.  These
> obviously need to be sealed up better than they were.  At least the rear
> main wasn't leaking.  I'll be more confident installing the rope seal this
> time around.
> Dave H.
> > On May 15, 2020 at 6:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks to all who replied.
> >
> > I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried
> that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the
> rings.
> > Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this
> email. Some very clever!
> > Hope to see you in Ohio,
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Fri May 15 12:14:31 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:14:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
In-Reply-To: <5ebed6dd.1c69fb81.c22aa.c1f2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
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Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be
taken in our vintage racing machines...


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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri May 15 13:07:21 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:07:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFQXnUhs=dek7THPBpx-mcEhd1ee5F2Mv9CF7fn+DVr2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5ebed6dd.1c69fb81.c22aa.c1f2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>,
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Message-ID: <8AB41BFF-38EE-48FB-BDB1-9577897683F1@mhc-law.com>

Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

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Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 15 13:32:16 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:32:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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References: <5ebed6dd.1c69fb81.c22aa.c1f2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>,
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Someone let me know when it's officially canceled.

Marty



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From: "John H. Hasty via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/15/20 3:23 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>, WPTA Secretary/Webmaster <wpta.webmaster at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled

Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com<mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...



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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 15 14:43:39 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:43:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
In-Reply-To: <8AB41BFF-38EE-48FB-BDB1-9577897683F1@mhc-law.com>
References: <5ebed6dd.1c69fb81.c22aa.c1f2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)<autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.? We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...?

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.? There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 15:02:11 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the Glen... ?(not naming names ?)
Oh, wrong kind of stripe!
Dave G


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On Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Just another sign that you're going FAST.
Bill

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 On?Friday, May 15, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May 15 15:17:07 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 17:17:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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White stripes

[image: Rick.JPG]

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:10 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the
> Glen...  (not naming names ?)
>
> Oh, wrong kind of stripe!
>
> Dave G
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Just another sign that you're going FAST.
>
> Bill
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> On Friday, May 15, 2020, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>
> My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 15 17:05:15 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 17:05:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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Yep, I?ve left a white line before, a couple times. Oil dry all the way from my pit to the grid at Hastings. I didn?t know it at the time but my oil cooler blew

and I drove all the way to the grid leaking oil. Good enough you can see it from space. This from google images.

Not so fondly remembered by the grid workers as the Gray Line. They were still pissed about it years later.

 



 

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To: David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What's enough horse power?

 

White stripes

 



 

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:10 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the Glen...  (not naming names ?)

 

Oh, wrong kind of stripe!

 

Dave G


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On Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Just another sign that you're going FAST.

 

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My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.


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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri May 15 21:09:51 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 03:09:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio announcement
Message-ID: <067144f40c527d89cd87e6b923d3a788e214de16@webmail>

Posted 3 hours ago on Triumph Register of America site. Mid Ohio
Kastner Cup will be a non spectator event
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Sat May 16 14:29:52 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 16:29:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
In-Reply-To: <1246650471.1027930.1589575419366@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5ebed6dd.1c69fb81.c22aa.c1f2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
 <CAMJWJcFQXnUhs=dek7THPBpx-mcEhd1ee5F2Mv9CF7fn+DVr2w@mail.gmail.com>
 <8AB41BFF-38EE-48FB-BDB1-9577897683F1@mhc-law.com>
 <1246650471.1027930.1589575419366@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcFTHjgLrAPM8GgaRYfb1QgY-0_c3KfT6xXchq9gwqzuSg@mail.gmail.com>

The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one
of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is
> opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>
> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4,
> VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>
> Gary Schneider
> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>
> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)* <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>
>
> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
> annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
> we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
> be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
> racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
> we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
> year...
>
> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
> thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
> have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
> 2021 and beyond.
>
> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to
> be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>
>
> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber
> since May 2014 (Unsubscribe
> <https://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/public.unsubscribe/c/FEA8677E-C415-1C2E-8E90D328B1D46836/d/B9C4622E-454C-4B31-9C4F59345C52536A/v/f9da1c5698055a67b87bfbec35160f39?utm_source=motorsportreg&utm_medium=email&utm_content=unsubscribe&utm_campaign=email_admin_center>)
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Sat May 16 19:19:29 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:19:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFTHjgLrAPM8GgaRYfb1QgY-0_c3KfT6xXchq9gwqzuSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJWJcFTHjgLrAPM8GgaRYfb1QgY-0_c3KfT6xXchq9gwqzuSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A329F34B-FF70-4CFB-ADC8-AD3930DE9D00@gmail.com>

VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 

The car count looks about half of normal.

A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 

California has not ?Reopened?...

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>> 
>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>>> 
>>> Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 121 Drivers Edge, Traverse City, Michigan 49684, USA. Report abuse.
>>> 
>>> 
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 16 21:22:46 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
In-Reply-To: <A329F34B-FF70-4CFB-ADC8-AD3930DE9D00@gmail.com>
References: <A329F34B-FF70-4CFB-ADC8-AD3930DE9D00@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94084A31-90A6-4576-ABAA-C6EA6FE0B3F7@sbcglobal.net>

The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
> 
> The car count looks about half of normal.
> 
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
> 
> California has not ?Reopened?...
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>>>> 
>>>> Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 121 Drivers Edge, Traverse City, Michigan 49684, USA. Report abuse.
>>>> 
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 16 21:22:46 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
In-Reply-To: <A329F34B-FF70-4CFB-ADC8-AD3930DE9D00@gmail.com>
References: <A329F34B-FF70-4CFB-ADC8-AD3930DE9D00@gmail.com>
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The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
> 
> The car count looks about half of normal.
> 
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
> 
> California has not ?Reopened?...
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>>>> 
>>>> Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 121 Drivers Edge, Traverse City, Michigan 49684, USA. Report abuse.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun May 17 06:22:52 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:22:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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Some good news, Watkins Glen can re open on June 1st.

New York will allow motor sports at Watkins Glen International raceway and
horse racing at tracks across the state to proceed without spectators
beginning June 1, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday.

mike h

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:23 PM Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?]
> hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the
> law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers
> usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some
> states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in
> section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the
> basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time
> before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is
> a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to
> delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses,
> until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and
> parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race
> or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.
> Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus
> symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot
> dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but
> to escort you out.
>
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
>
> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.
>
> The car count looks about half of normal.
>
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held.
>
> California has not ?Reopened?...
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one
> of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is
>> opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4,
>> VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: *Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)* <autopilot at motorsportreg.com
>> >
>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
>> annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
>> we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
>> be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
>> racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
>> we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
>> year...
>>
>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
>> thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
>> have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
>> 2021 and beyond.
>>
>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to
>> be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>
>>
>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com,
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun May 17 07:05:48 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:05:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
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Ok folks, shirts are now on order. We drug our feet as long as we could before actually pulling the trigger to see what was going to happen but if we were going to have the shirts ready for the Mid-Ohio race we had to start the ball rolling now. So, all of you that have ordered shirts it is now time to contact Ted and make arrangements for payments.  See below for instructions from Ted, he spells it out pretty clearly. They are going to be awesome. A big thanks to Jim Hassall for handling the coordination of the orders!


 It is time
for members to get payment and pick-up/shipping info to me.
Visa/MasterCard, Discover, PayPal (call/email us for details on using
PayPal).  Need name, card number & expiration date and billing address
if different from shipping address and email address. Will email buyers
invoice with total amount. Our FAX is MIA so call or email.  Contact
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 17 07:11:00 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:11:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
Message-ID: <A4B6075D-89E3-4069-84B3-FEB7E694694E@gmail.com>

Clark Lincoln on artwork?

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
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The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 17, 2020, at 8:07 AM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun May 17 07:25:33 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:25:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
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Duh, I was so focused on the current state of the shirts I forgot how the whole shirt project started. Yes, without Clark the whole shirt thing would have never happened. Thanks Clark (and thanks Joe for pointing out my omission).

Marty

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Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 9:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts

Clark Lincoln on artwork?

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> On May 17, 2020, at 8:07 AM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 17 07:33:53 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clark
Message-ID: <A3598435-3DD2-48EB-A49C-BB2EBFAC7C58@gmail.com>

I hope my message to you didn?t go back thru the FOT.

I didn?t mean it to.

And I was also thinking of that unfortunate dust up between Clark & Jerry.

What a strange year.

Joe Alexander
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Gasketinnovations.com
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sun May 17 08:32:30 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 14:32:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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 some things that a lot of people are forgetting is there are actually two factors that will drive entry numbers this year - 1) as we all know is the bug? 2) is the financial impact that so many are facing - racing is far down on the list of necessary (I know it is to all of us) items, its mostly paid for by extra cash we might have saved, found, got lucky in the lottery or whatever, if not affected directly (we all are with higher prices) we have a close friend or family member who is - this will take a looong time to fix itself - the lockdowns are killing business all over the map, this affects all of us in a direct way - more prices will go up (less competition or just plain gouging) and we all know taxes will be killer before too long, more in some states than others - unfortunately I'm sure entries for all events will suffer for a few years

    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 07:24:48 AM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Some good news, Watkins Glen can re open?on?June 1st.
New York will allow motor sports at?Watkins Glen International raceway and horse racing at tracks across the state to proceed without spectators beginning June 1, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday.??

mike h
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:23 PM Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).? Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.? If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.? Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad

On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.?
The car count looks about half of normal.
A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held.?
California has not ?Reopened?...

Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)<autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.? We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...?

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.? There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...

?
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From paulricco at att.net  Sun May 17 12:06:01 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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FOT,

Dale - Thank you for the insights below.  They are helpful.

It is sad to hear of the cancellations.  Good for VARA making it possible to allow people a choice.  Those that feel comfortable going to track can go, and those who do not can choose not to go.  Sounds American to me.

We own a business that has been damaged by many of the decisions that that the government has made.  

The two previously stated reason for registrations being down in this thread:  Financial and Fear of COVID.

There are more reasons fo it, than just those two.

We have a 3rd reason for not registering: The policies and procedures that are having to be put in place for an event to happen. 

We have a lot of respect for the race organizers at SVRA, VSCDA, Midwest Council and a few others.  They are dealing with a lot to make events a possibility.

However, we feel that the insurance companies, the government agencies and others are really over reaching with some of the policies that they are recommending or forcing on business owners.  Therefore, we are not entering events until all of this settles down.  We value our time at the track very highly.  We enjoy the track time and we especially the time with people whose company we really enjoy.  We feel that the polices that are in place will detract greatly from both of those things happening.

Again, we do not fault the organizations for what they are doing.  We just will not participate based on some of the procedures and polices being put in place.

Hopefully, there are brighter times ahead for those of who enjoy motorsports.  Kind of like the golfers that we see out on courses when we drive-by courses in the area (BTW-We do not play golf).  Seems like Covid does not exist for those who play golf, it is business as usual for them.

Look forward to seeing people at the track in the future.

Paul Ricco

> On May 16, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
>> 
>> The car count looks about half of normal.
>> 
>> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
>> 
>> California has not ?Reopened?...
>> 
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com <http://motorsportreg.com/>) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com <mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 14:52:46 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 20:52:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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 I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.

I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 

Gary

    On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?). ?Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed. ?If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises. ?Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad



On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 




  
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 16:56:21 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk.  Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts).  Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches.  The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

>> On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ?
> I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.
> 
> I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf>
> <2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 16:56:21 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk.  Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts).  Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches.  The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

>> On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ?
> I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.
> 
> I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf>
> <2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 18:47:17 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 00:47:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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Dale,
The insurance-required waiver does not seem to be your main issue. All Covid19-related procedures are at the behest of the state and the track owner and are required to be enforced by the sponsoring clubs. No track owner or club can take a chance on being found to operate illegally. None of us have a choice in this matter, there is no negotiation involved (esp. since schedules are overfilled): you can follow track rules or not have an event. If you are going racing this year, you are going to find new constraints everywhere in the country. The VSCDA Covid document closely mirrors SCCA, Midwestern Council, AMA  and SVRA guidelines. 

Gary


    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 5:56:27 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle <dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk. ?Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts). ?Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches. ?The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad

On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:



? I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.

I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 

Gary

    On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?). ?Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed. ?If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises. ?Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad



On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 




  <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf><2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
  
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sun May 17 20:40:42 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 02:40:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
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John, Henry:
You asked me to take a look at the VARAC release. I generally agree with Dale?s analysis of the waiver, and as Gary observed, all but Section 1 is what insurance companies have been asking us to sign over the years.  First let?s all understand that waviers/releases/covenants not so sue relating to events which are to happen in the future are generally enforceable except for acts on the part of the releases of reckless, intentional or gross negligence.  (in other words some act on the part of the sanctioning body and its agents which no reasonable person would have anticipated to expose themselves to by entering the event)  Other than Section 1, the release is over-broad on purpose placing layers of attempted release language which can be used by defense counsel (of which I am one) to delay and as a result increase the costs of pursuing litigation against the sanctioning body.  It also plants in the participant?s mind that it would be useless to attempt action for injuries he/she may have received.  (By mentioning increased costs, I would comment that these could be in the tens of thousands of dollars)
            Now, let?s talk about Section 1.  First, set the stage.  All scientific information available to us today says that for us to practice safety from the virus we should shelter at home, practice social distances of 6 feet from other individuals while on necessary trips to obtain essential items such as food etc. and wear a mask when near others.  In addition the states have instituted various executive orders declaring what enterprises are safe conduct in the virus infected atmosphere.  Participating in racing events to my knowledge is not one of them.   In the face of these facts come VSCDA, SVRA, SCCA and perhaps others who wish to stage events where hundreds of people will mingle with one another and compete in a relatively limited area.  On the question of whether their desires to stage these events are as a result of the overwhelming clamor from their members to stage events in this virus pandemic or because of their own financial interests I will not opine.  So, how do these sanctioning bodies entice people to disobey the advice of the scientific community and attend their events?  They come up with a long list of things, changes to normal policy, that they are going to enforce in order to make it safe for you to come to their event. No driver?s meeting, no social events, sanitizing this thing and that thing, pages of actions that they will take to make it safe for you to attend their event.  But how do the sanctioning bodies protect themselves from the claims of people who relied on their representations that it would be safe to attend their events who do in fact become infected with the virus or some other injury?  Enter Section 1 which, in spite of the sanction bodies representations of safety,  places the burden on you to determine whether you ?feel safe? to be at the event.  There is also the issue of what responsibility would be attributed to you should you be a carrier of the virus which infected another person?  It has never been clear to me whether these sanctioning bodies carry participant liability insurance or whether such off track liability would be covered, but you should be aware of this potential liability as well.  Whether Section 1 would be enforceable given the representations of safety made by the sanctioning bodies would be an issue, but here again an issue which could cost you thousands of dollars to try and overcome in a court of law.
            Again, I do not opine on whether the sanctioning bodies should be encouraging people to enter their events or whether it is reasonable and one should, as the release states, ?feel safe? under the present conditions to participate in these events.  It?s entirely up to you.
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From: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
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To: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled

Here is the adult waiver.  John, I hope you are safe and healthy.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:14 PM John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com<mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com>> wrote:
Send me a copy & I?ll look it over....even if the event is on, where do we eat?.. the host hotel is closed now & not certain about the future ...7 1/2 drive with no rest rooms open...@ 84 I am really beginning to wonder if it?s worth taking a chance on getting what could well be my death warrant.  I am also told that Kastner is not coming, so what?s the point of it?
Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2020, at 4:30 PM, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>> wrote:
?
The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net<mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.

Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary Schneider
Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


Can mid Ohio be far behind?
Sent from my iPhone


On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com<mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>


After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...


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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 18 12:50:00 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 14:50:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
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Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Dale Oesterle <dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: May 18, 2020 at 2:46:36 PM EDT
> To: "John H. Hasty" <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
> Subject: Re:  [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
> 
> ?John, the analysis gets very complicated in a hurry.  You assume only club, track and safety worker defendants. The waiver protects drivers and their crew as well as the club and track from participant lawsuits. A driver defendant may lose the protection if he/she 1) does not feel safe and runs anyway and if 2) the driver does not follow anything in the complex new package of safety rules (which may include an implied duty to rat on other participants who do not follow all the rules).  This is not good.  Best practice is an Indy style waiver and a separate agreement on new safety rules with specified penalties for breach.
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 10:42 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> John, Henry: 
>> You asked me to take a look at the VARAC release. I generally agree with Dale?s analysis of the waiver, and as Gary observed, all but Section 1 is what insurance companies have been asking us to sign over the years.  First let?s all understand that waviers/releases/covenants not so sue relating to events which are to happen in the future are generally enforceable except for acts on the part of the releases of reckless, intentional or gross negligence.  (in other words some act on the part of the sanctioning body and its agents which no reasonable person would have anticipated to expose themselves to by entering the event)  Other than Section 1, the release is over-broad on purpose placing layers of attempted release language which can be used by defense counsel (of which I am one) to delay and as a result increase the costs of pursuing litigation against the sanctioning body.  It also plants in the participant?s mind that it would be useless to attempt action for injuries he/she may have received.  (By mentioning increased costs, I would comment that these could be in the tens of thousands of dollars)
>>             Now, let?s talk about Section 1.  First, set the stage.  All scientific information available to us today says that for us to practice safety from the virus we should shelter at home, practice social distances of 6 feet from other individuals while on necessary trips to obtain essential items such as food etc. and wear a mask when near others.  In addition the states have instituted various executive orders declaring what enterprises are safe conduct in the virus infected atmosphere.  Participating in racing events to my knowledge is not one of them.   In the face of these facts come VSCDA, SVRA, SCCA and perhaps others who wish to stage events where hundreds of people will mingle with one another and compete in a relatively limited area.  On the question of whether their desires to stage these events are as a result of the overwhelming clamor from their members to stage events in this virus pandemic or because of their own financial interests I will not opine.  So, how do these sanctioning bodies entice people to disobey the advice of the scientific community and attend their events?  They come up with a long list of things, changes to normal policy, that they are going to enforce in order to make it safe for you to come to their event. No driver?s meeting, no social events, sanitizing this thing and that thing, pages of actions that they will take to make it safe for you to attend their event.  But how do the sanctioning bodies protect themselves from the claims of people who relied on their representations that it would be safe to attend their events who do in fact become infected with the virus or some other injury?  Enter Section 1 which, in spite of the sanction bodies representations of safety,  places the burden on you to determine whether you ?feel safe? to be at the event.  There is also the issue of what responsibility would be attributed to you should you be a carrier of the virus which infected another person?  It has never been clear to me whether these sanctioning bodies carry participant liability insurance or whether such off track liability would be covered, but you should be aware of this potential liability as well.  Whether Section 1 would be enforceable given the representations of safety made by the sanctioning bodies would be an issue, but here again an issue which could cost you thousands of dollars to try and overcome in a court of law.
>>             Again, I do not opine on whether the sanctioning bodies should be encouraging people to enter their events or whether it is reasonable and one should, as the release states, ?feel safe? under the present conditions to participate in these events.  It?s entirely up to you.
>> <image001.png>
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>> From: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:05 PM
>> To: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>  
>> Here is the adult waiver.  John, I hope you are safe and healthy.  
>>  
>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:14 PM John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
>> Send me a copy & I?ll look it over....even if the event is on, where do we eat?.. the host hotel is closed now & not certain about the future ...7 1/2 drive with no rest rooms open...@ 84 I am really beginning to wonder if it?s worth taking a chance on getting what could well be my death warrant.  I am also told that Kastner is not coming, so what?s the point of it?  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 4:30 PM, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>>  
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>  
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>  
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>  
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>  
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>  
>> 
>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>> 
>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>> 
>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>> 
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Mon May 18 14:59:27 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 16:59:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Roller for sale
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FOT, another Spring project for someone interested. 

     I am selling the former Abacus Racing BRG TR3 (TS57917L).  There was a
video of Mike Jackson and Bill Thummel racing at Mid Ohio posted here
earlier in the year.  Bill won the race on Sat but Mike took it on Sunday.
It has a ready to assemble engine and a non-overdrive gearbox, with stock
TR3 rear end.  It has 5 good panasport wheels.  

     Abacus took a clean no rust street car and converted it for vintage
racing in 1991.  The SVRA logbook shows 28 races from 1991 to 1997.  Abacus
then took the engine and gearbox for their TR4.  The car sat in a dry garage
until I purchased it last year.  I intended to make a race car for my son in
law and my grandson, or even turn it back to a streetcar.  I have since
found some Turners that I think will be better for them, and the TR3 is now
available with parts. 

     I purchased a ready to assemble engine from Dave Spiwak and that will
go with the car for what I paid Dave (list attached)

     It comes with a very nice sandblasted and painted TR3 frame.  

     It has a New Mexico title.  

     The car looks solid, and has a heavy sway bar in the front.  All
instruments are there, including an overdrive button on the steering wheel.
There is a small dent in the left rear fender which looks like it can be
banged out.  I have a fiberglass tunnel.  The roll bar includes door impact
protection.  

     Abacus was very successful with the car.  More info and photos
available.

     Roller and frame for $5500.  Engine ready to assemble $5000 (pls see
attachment - I paid $5K, Dave spent $7721), and the additional below parts I
purchased from Dave ($535):

Fidanza flywheel $200

Tilton clutch $150

Starter $70

Auto Pro Rev Limiter $15

Detroit Locker $100

      I was quoted $1000 to $1500 for engine assembly by Abacus Machine
shop.  Car needs a fuel cell, tires, brake rebuild, and normal stuff done
after a car has been sitting.

     Car and frame are in Va Bch, engine parts are still in PA and I will
pick up or have shipped as soon as Dave can get home.  

     So everything totals $11,350.  I prefer it all to go together.  Anyone
interested?

     Thanks, Hank

     

Hank Giffin

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon May 18 16:23:56 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:23:56 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass of bourbon calling my name...?..


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 16:34:18 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 17:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
the punches.

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
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515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>
>
> Marty
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon May 18 16:38:15 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 16:38:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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Sounds quite confusing.? At the moment I'm about 80% convinced I should 
stay home and work on my own cars.? But this could very well be one not 
to miss.? Not sure how my friend in Indianapolis is feeling about 
tagging along and making a road trip of it.? If I do attend it may be 
fly in to the closest airport, stay in the motel and fly out Sunday 
evening.? If I do show up and get in as a crew member, I promise to do 
at least activity that a crew member might do, like check tire pressure, 
wipe oil off a wrench, or get the charcoal lit for grilling dinner.

mjb.


From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 16:50:28 2020
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 18:50:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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Agreed - hear hear Marty! we're rooting for you and Kastner Cup 2020!

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
> think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
> the punches.
>
> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
> Iowa British Car Club
> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
> 515-339-4228
>
>
> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
>> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
>> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
>> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
>> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
>> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
>> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
>> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
>> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
>> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
>> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
>> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>>
>>
>> Marty
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Mon May 18 17:15:29 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 19:15:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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Make this happen, my wife is looking forward to me being out of her hair
for a couple of days.

mike h

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Agreed - hear hear Marty! we're rooting for you and Kastner Cup 2020!
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
>> think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
>> the punches.
>>
>> Shawn Frank
>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
>> Iowa British Car Club
>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
>> 515-339-4228
>>
>>
>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
>>> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
>>> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
>>> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
>>> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
>>> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
>>> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
>>> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
>>> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
>>> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
>>> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
>>> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>>>
>>>
>>> Marty
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Mon May 18 19:15:26 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 21:15:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
In-Reply-To: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
References: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>

HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific
to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They
also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john styduhar

2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation


The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage
racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race
tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at
Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and
social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.


Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the
Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee
series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not
easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet
dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.


Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the
Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a
race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster
track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will
once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American
Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.


Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You
simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging
wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We
hope to see you there!


REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/>

Stacey Donato

Office Manager

[image: VSCDA Logo]

*Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association*

*1600 W. Market Street*

*Logansport, IN  46947*

*Office 616-916-2650 *

*Cell 574-721-1109*

*FAX 574-753-4115*


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From paulricco at att.net  Mon May 18 21:07:22 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>

John,

I agree with you.  Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms.  I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality.  They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far. 

We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down.  We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going. 

We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there.   So we will wait and see before we start spending money. 

Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> john styduhar
> 
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
> 
>  
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
> 
>  
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
> 
>  
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
> 
>  
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!
> 
>  
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE
> 
> Stacey Donato
> Office Manager
> 
> Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association
> 1600 W. Market Street
> Logansport, IN  46947
> Office 616-916-2650
> Cell 574-721-1109
> FAX 574-753-4115
> 
> To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the following link 
> <BH Adult Waiver.pdf>
> <Minor Waiver - Two Pages.pdf>
> <Car Prep Sheet RCIS 2020.docx>
> <2020 Drivers Good Faith Medial Statement.docx>
> <2020 Medical Form.docx>
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> 
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From paulricco at att.net  Mon May 18 21:07:22 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>

John,

I agree with you.  Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms.  I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality.  They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far. 

We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down.  We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going. 

We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there.   So we will wait and see before we start spending money. 

Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> john styduhar
> 
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
> 
>  
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
> 
>  
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
> 
>  
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
> 
>  
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!
> 
>  
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE
> 
> Stacey Donato
> Office Manager
> 
> Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association
> 1600 W. Market Street
> Logansport, IN  46947
> Office 616-916-2650
> Cell 574-721-1109
> FAX 574-753-4115
> 
> To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the following link 
> <BH Adult Waiver.pdf>
> <Minor Waiver - Two Pages.pdf>
> <Car Prep Sheet RCIS 2020.docx>
> <2020 Drivers Good Faith Medial Statement.docx>
> <2020 Medical Form.docx>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May 18 23:50:19 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:50:19 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
 <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002001d62da1$617a06e0$246e14a0$@gmail.com>

As owner of an international racing license I need a medical check yearly and a cardio check all 2 years.

The order form of the license has to be signed by a doctor.

The good thing?..it forces men to visit doctors and if you?re there you can use the visits for more tests?.like blood tests, cancer and stuff like that.

 

Without the racing license I wouldn?t have seen a doc for years.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von John Styduhar via Fot
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Mai 2020 03:15
An: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

 

 

HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org <mailto:vscda at mail.vscda.org> >
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com> >

 



john styduhar

2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation

  

The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.

  

Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.

  

Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.

  

Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!

  

REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/> 

Stacey Donato

Office Manager

Fehler! Es wurde kein Dateiname angegeben.

Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association

1600 W. Market Street

Logansport, IN  46947

Office 616-916-2650 

Cell 574-721-1109

FAX 574-753-4115


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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 06:07:32 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:07:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <002001d62da1$617a06e0$246e14a0$@gmail.com>
References: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
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 <002001d62da1$617a06e0$246e14a0$@gmail.com>
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I started racing at age 40, about the time I had to give up on playing
basketball and softball due to accumulated injuries. I hadn't had a
physical in many years, just surgical patch jobs on a couple of joints.
These days licensing requires an annual physical and EKG and I have no
complaints. Racing changed my life for the better in a lot of ways and
watching my health is one of them.

After that first physical they put me on a statin drug for high Cholesterol
and later high blood pressure medicine. I did not like being on a statin so
I changed my diet, started taking an herbal supplement  and got my
cholesterol  under control to get off the drug. Due to family history of
heart issues I still have to take HBP medicine.  I started cycling about 10
years later and fixed both.

There is a book out there called "Younger Next Year".  I highly
recommend it.

Bob Kramer


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:58 AM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> As owner of an international racing license I need a medical check yearly
> and a cardio check all 2 years.
>
> The order form of the license has to be signed by a doctor.
>
> The good thing?..it forces men to visit doctors and if you?re there you
> can use the visits for more tests?.like blood tests, cancer and stuff like
> that.
>
>
>
> Without the racing license I wouldn?t have seen a doc for years.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *John Styduhar
> via Fot
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 19. Mai 2020 03:15
> *An:* Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
> open
>
>
>
>
>
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"
> specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to
> participation.   They also want permission to access your health
> information.  Not on my life!
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association* <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>
>
>
> [image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]
>
> john styduhar
>
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
>
>
>
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage
> racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race
> tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at
> Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and
> social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
>
>
>
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the
> Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee
> series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not
> easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet
> dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
>
>
>
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the
> Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a
> race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster
> track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will
> once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American
> Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
>
>
>
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You
> simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging
> wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We
> hope to see you there!
>
>
>
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/>
>
> Stacey Donato
>
> Office Manager
>
> *Fehler! Es wurde kein Dateiname angegeben.*
>
> *Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association*
>
> *1600 W. Market Street*
>
> *Logansport, IN  46947*
>
> *Office 616-916-2650 *
>
> *Cell 574-721-1109*
>
> *FAX 574-753-4115*
>
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Tue May 19 08:14:48 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:14:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
Message-ID: <74520295.1466516.1589897688408@mail.yahoo.com>

Paul...
As one of the earliest VSCDA members, I recall their Medical Form was meant to get a respected medical expert (a doctor) to say, "I know of no medical reasons that should prevent this VSCDA member from racing.".? I remember thinking, "Who the hell would want to sign that?"? But they did.
Now, if VSCDA is going to start second guessing these "experts", I wonder if it is something their insurance carrier is encouraging.? Regardless, they're opening a can of worms.? My guess is there is one (or several) people they are worried about.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.? Certainly a member with boarderline medicals can find some doctor, somewhere to sign his form.? If the Board feels qualified to second guess this stuff, they must feel it is important, because when you start drawing such lines (not accepting signed medicals), you've opened a can of worms.
Bill Dentinger


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

John,
I agree with you. ?Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms. ?I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality. ?They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far.?
We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down. ?We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going.?
We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there. ? So we will wait and see before we start spending money.?
Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"? specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.? ?They also want permission to access your health information.? Not on my life!
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john?styduhar2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation?The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.?Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.?Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.?Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!?REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HEREStacey DonatoOffice ManagerVintage Sports Car Drivers Association1600 W. Market StreetLogansport, IN? 46947Office 616-916-2650 Cell 574-721-1109FAX 574-753-4115
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From billdentin at aol.com  Tue May 19 08:14:48 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:14:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
Message-ID: <74520295.1466516.1589897688408@mail.yahoo.com>

Paul...
As one of the earliest VSCDA members, I recall their Medical Form was meant to get a respected medical expert (a doctor) to say, "I know of no medical reasons that should prevent this VSCDA member from racing.".? I remember thinking, "Who the hell would want to sign that?"? But they did.
Now, if VSCDA is going to start second guessing these "experts", I wonder if it is something their insurance carrier is encouraging.? Regardless, they're opening a can of worms.? My guess is there is one (or several) people they are worried about.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.? Certainly a member with boarderline medicals can find some doctor, somewhere to sign his form.? If the Board feels qualified to second guess this stuff, they must feel it is important, because when you start drawing such lines (not accepting signed medicals), you've opened a can of worms.
Bill Dentinger


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

John,
I agree with you. ?Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms. ?I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality. ?They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far.?
We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down. ?We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going.?
We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there. ? So we will wait and see before we start spending money.?
Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"? specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.? ?They also want permission to access your health information.? Not on my life!
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john?styduhar2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation?The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.?Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.?Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.?Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!?REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HEREStacey DonatoOffice ManagerVintage Sports Car Drivers Association1600 W. Market StreetLogansport, IN? 46947Office 616-916-2650 Cell 574-721-1109FAX 574-753-4115
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Tue May 19 08:22:52 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:22:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions
Message-ID: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>

Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.

Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?




https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 08:55:59 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 08:55:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
In-Reply-To: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
References: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6c38029-558c-84b6-8298-2a0402edc336@bradakis.com>

On 5/19/20 8:22 AM, J Wagner via Fot wrote:
> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
>
Maybe not a Triumph guy, but a Ferrari guy with 3 Testa Rosas ?

mjb.



From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue May 19 09:44:05 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 08:44:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
In-Reply-To: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
References: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2768FBD0-8A03-48B1-8F76-6219D0B06F8E@ponostyle.com>

I?ve had a few, but it?s not me. 

> On May 19, 2020, at 7:22 AM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
> 
> Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 19 11:34:06 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:34:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6408189A937A0D879E986D1ABA080@CH2PR02MB6408.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR04MB6126E92FAEADBC4640E10F2BBA4B0@MN2PR04MB6126.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
 <BN8PR02MB5860FD67C1A169058AE395CCBA4E0@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <BN8PR02MB5860A5A80DDD7C45F5045092BA460@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CH2PR02MB6408189A937A0D879E986D1ABA080@CH2PR02MB6408.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514B5995146506B37BE882FBAB90@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.

Marty



From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: FOT SWAG


Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.


Give it a try.


Marty Sukey


1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/

2, set up an account for yourself and log in.

3, pick an item you might want.

4, click on apply logo,

5, select the FOT logo,

6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.

7, select location.

8, hit apply logo.

9, hit cancel or add to bag.

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue May 19 12:43:15 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:43:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514B5995146506B37BE882FBAB90@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR04MB6126E92FAEADBC4640E10F2BBA4B0@MN2PR04MB6126.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
 <BN8PR02MB5860FD67C1A169058AE395CCBA4E0@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <BN8PR02MB5860A5A80DDD7C45F5045092BA460@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6408189A937A0D879E986D1ABA080@CH2PR02MB6408.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514B5995146506B37BE882FBAB90@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVY8FMZ4JFHiDMUm9sfq3m90aMr-ARBGgbA7EVYLVnXZWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"
Thanks Marty, nice idea

mike
[image: P1014738.JPG]

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols
> currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask
> be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with
> what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you
> don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka
> draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you!
> Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End
> storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT
> insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask
> but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in
> case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log
> in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you
> need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay
> attention.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
> *From:* marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* FOT SWAG
>
>
> Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There
> is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the
> instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered
> on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am
> starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012
> special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is
> pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends
> Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of
> all you can return things.
>
>
> Give it a try.
>
>
> Marty Sukey
>
>
> 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/
>
> 2, set up an account for yourself and log in.
>
> 3, pick an item you might want.
>
> 4, click on apply logo,
>
> 5, select the FOT logo,
>
> 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing
> colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If
> you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try
> putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then
> you can tweak it as needed.
>
> 7, select location.
>
> 8, hit apply logo.
>
> 9, hit cancel or add to bag.
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 19 14:44:28 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:44:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVY8FMZ4JFHiDMUm9sfq3m90aMr-ARBGgbA7EVYLVnXZWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN2PR04MB6126E92FAEADBC4640E10F2BBA4B0@MN2PR04MB6126.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
 <BN8PR02MB5860FD67C1A169058AE395CCBA4E0@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <BN8PR02MB5860A5A80DDD7C45F5045092BA460@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6408189A937A0D879E986D1ABA080@CH2PR02MB6408.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514B5995146506B37BE882FBAB90@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAO0FjVY8FMZ4JFHiDMUm9sfq3m90aMr-ARBGgbA7EVYLVnXZWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <784348971.1742326.1589921068913@mail.yahoo.com>

 Only if you're in the pre-war group Gary

    On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:00:07 PM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"Thanks Marty, nice idea

mike

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the?virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers? babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!? I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.? So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.? Log in and just type? "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.
Marty


From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: FOT SWAG?
Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability? of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.




Give it a try.




Marty Sukey?




1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/

2, set up an account for yourself and log in.

3, pick an item you might want.

4, click on apply logo,

5, select the FOT logo,

6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better??????suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.

7, select location.

8, hit apply logo.

9, hit cancel or add to bag.

_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue May 19 16:27:29 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:27:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
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It says it has a new chassis & suspension. I would have to ask why.



 

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Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.

 

Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?

 

 

 

 

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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue May 19 17:48:38 2020
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 19:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
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Lol.   
I raced one of those around Mont Tremblant a couple years back.    Although I had a blast, some of the other cars/drivers didn?t. 

Enough said. 
Todd



> On May 19, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> It says it has a new chassis & suspension. I would have to ask why.
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> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
>  
> Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?
>  
>  
>  
>  
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 17:48:47 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:48:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
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Reminds me of the first Utah Fast Pass event back in 2006.? High dollar 
cars, low talent drivers.? Wonder why the unlimited high speed event was 
removed from subsequent events?

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue May 19 18:55:59 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
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What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
Darwin at work

mike h

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 8:00 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Reminds me of the first Utah Fast Pass event back in 2006.  High dollar
> cars, low talent drivers.  Wonder why the unlimited high speed event was
> removed from subsequent events?
>
> mjb.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 19:27:49 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 19:27:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
> Darwin at work

There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route 
we picked out.? My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.? 
We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this 
spot.? And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown 
Vic along the route seemed fine.? But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.

The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.? 
About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.? It 
finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.? The event was a 
fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund 
or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance 
to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker 
on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph 
clocked at the finish.? After already shelling out something like 5 
grand for the entry fee.

Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off 
in the Enzo.? We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, 
and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.? A 
rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's 
position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.? The spotter who saw it 
at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when 
the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different 
direction than the rest of the car.? So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 
7 times.? At 200 mph.? The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks 
scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.? Left 
rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.? But as 
you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon 
fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.? Some fine engineering.? 
Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect 
given the details of the mishap.

And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back 
together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land 
speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.

And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the 
event the following year.

mjb.



From kkjjk at aol.com  Tue May 19 19:52:47 2020
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 01:52:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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 What a story!
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions

On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
> Darwin at work

There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route 
we picked out.? My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.? 
We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this 
spot.? And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown 
Vic along the route seemed fine.? But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.

The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.? 
About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.? It 
finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.? The event was a 
fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund 
or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance 
to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker 
on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph 
clocked at the finish.? After already shelling out something like 5 
grand for the entry fee.

Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off 
in the Enzo.? We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, 
and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.? A 
rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's 
position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.? The spotter who saw it 
at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when 
the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different 
direction than the rest of the car.? So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 
7 times.? At 200 mph.? The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks 
scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.? Left 
rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.? But as 
you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon 
fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.? Some fine engineering.? 
Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect 
given the details of the mishap.

And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back 
together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land 
speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.

And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the 
event the following year.

mjb.


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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue May 19 19:58:00 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
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The guy had seat covers installed.  Duh.  He was trying to preserve the condition of the seats.  Well, after the brown stained covers were removed they were still like new.  The rest of the car was scrap.  
Dave H. 
Sent from my iPad

> On May 19, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
>> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
>> Darwin at work
> 
> There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route we picked out.  My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.  We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this spot.  And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown Vic along the route seemed fine.  But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.
> 
> The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.  About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.  It finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.  The event was a fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph clocked at the finish.  After already shelling out something like 5 grand for the entry fee.
> 
> Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off in the Enzo.  We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.  A rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.  The spotter who saw it at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different direction than the rest of the car.  So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 7 times.  At 200 mph.  The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.  Left rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.  But as you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.  Some fine engineering.  Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect given the details of the mishap.
> 
> And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.
> 
> And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the event the following year.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue May 19 21:08:04 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
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Balaclavas for all!

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Gary Schneider via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Only if you're in the pre-war group 
> Gary
> 
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:00:07 PM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"
> Thanks Marty, nice idea
> 
> mike
> <P1014738.JPG>
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.
> 
> Marty
> 
> 
> 
> From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: FOT SWAG
>  
> Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.
> 
> 
> 
> Give it a try.
> 
> 
> 
> Marty Sukey 
> 
> 
> 
> 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/
> 
> 2, set up an account for yourself and log in.
> 
> 3, pick an item you might want.
> 
> 4, click on apply logo,
> 
> 5, select the FOT logo,
> 
> 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.
> 
> 7, select location.
> 
> 8, hit apply logo.
> 
> 9, hit cancel or add to bag.
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May 20 06:09:29 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:09:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Summary of "Rope Seal Alternatives"
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Thanks for all who replied. ?There were a number of good suggestions, including a validation/clarification of the factory approach by Kas. ?That's in the book recommended by Joe Alexander (that book also discusses at 290 HP TR2....!)
Several of you replied only to me. ?There was a request to know all the responses, and a failure on my part to get my email to include the entire chain of responses in anything I sent out (as far as I can tell, anyway). Because this particular chain might prove helpful and ought to be included in any future books on TR prep, I compiled all the responses and their authors, in a pdf document, ?Please find it attached.
I should clarify at this point that I was seeking to avoid the mess made by the Aviation Cement during assembly. ?A number of responses went, quite naturally, to avoiding the mess of the oil leaks themselves. ?My concern was that I was re-assembling the bottom end with cylinders and pistons and rings all in place. ?I had nightmares of the aviation cement dripping down into the cylinder/piston space and fouling the ring pack. ?Hopefully I avoided that....
Hope to see you all in Ohio. ?We'll have a fun time trying to guess who we're talking to as we will be masked. ?Heck, I can't remember names even without masks.....
Thanks again, Amici!
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 20 10:24:41 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 16:24:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Jack Stand Recall
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420BBF937233FB9ED8365B9E1B60@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I'm sure we're all getting this from every angle today, but ...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a32600586/harbor-freight-jack-stands-recalled-for-risk-of-collapsing/?fbclid=IwAR1xworyzT5N0DZLL3UYEkvHl1weR4tIjO6w7sjlqsK3BRmSADHxAqd-wRI<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.roadandtrack.com%2Fcar-culture%2Fbuying-maintenance%2Fa32600586%2Fharbor-freight-jack-stands-recalled-for-risk-of-collapsing%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1xworyzT5N0DZLL3UYEkvHl1weR4tIjO6w7sjlqsK3BRmSADHxAqd-wRI&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce84b54bf98c14be4b63508d7fcce86c6%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637255836273407358&sdata=%2F0tJVl7wlI6V4rgYKBCz9jWvleNj6DTKdTT%2F0MhpQuM%3D&reserved=0>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu May 21 12:19:47 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:19:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.



From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu May 21 13:22:06 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:22:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <72b1efd1-305e-a5c1-baf9-8b4e0ed2b7e6@bradakis.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <72b1efd1-305e-a5c1-baf9-8b4e0ed2b7e6@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1342797300.2008267.1590088926143@mail.yahoo.com>

 Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think that there would be much discussion about the event.(maybe I'm not and there is)
Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk category, concern is obviously justified.On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this event unique.
Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if postponing the event is possible?Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
Glen
Battle of Britain Racing
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18

I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.


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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu May 21 13:43:30 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:43:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
Message-ID: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com>

Something I have wondered about for years.

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to 
that question.

TeriAnn

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu May 21 13:53:34 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:53:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
In-Reply-To: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com>
References: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1905359486.2020444.1590090814605@mail.yahoo.com>

 I don't know that it would affect RPM but the harmonics are very complex and there are different types/levels/orders; I can't see how that big heavy mass spinning on the back of the shaft can't help but affect things, torsional loads at the least, but I can't even spell injuneer...A smart person will jump in here and answer that one!Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 3:43 pm
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

  Something I have wondered about for years. Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. TeriAnn
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu May 21 14:10:33 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:10:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
In-Reply-To: <1771B6A6-29B9-4AD0-ADD4-269C0BDD3437@artwithcars.com>
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 <1771B6A6-29B9-4AD0-ADD4-269C0BDD3437@artwithcars.com>
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On 5/21/20 12:50 PM, Steven Belfer wrote:
> A heavier flywheel just takes a bit longer to get up to the higher 
> revs but the total max rpm is the same. If it is balanced properly, 
> there is no change to vibration. Most race cars utilize a harmonic 
> balancer to absorb those strange vibrations
I think the harmonic balancer is specifically to address the big 
harmonic at around 5200 ish RPM. What happens to the crank harmonics 
when the weight at the back of the crank changes?
>
>> On May 21, 2020, at 12:43 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Something I have wondered about for years.
>>
>> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
>> harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer 
>> to that question.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 14:24:42 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <1342797300.2008267.1590088926143@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <72b1efd1-305e-a5c1-baf9-8b4e0ed2b7e6@bradakis.com>
 <1342797300.2008267.1590088926143@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWuffPUzF3c2E9zf9=Nk7heVtyCeQQMHjLpiUfsMd+GOBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Glen

There may be a few folks like me that are sitting back still hoping for the
best. I had been waiting until I found out if it was really going to
happen. I didn't expect that it would be hey, we can check that box. After
that, I had issues with taking time off from work because we split our team
to work every other day, alternating teams from home so we could protect
1/2 the team to operate the business in the case the other half got
quarantined. Fortunately that just ended but we did that with 15% reduction
in force and now I don't know if I can get away  with, or will be allowed
to take time off. After that I still have to decide if I am comfortable to
the string of hotels on a round trip from central Texas. As of now, if I
can get free from work I will go.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!
> I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think
> that there would be much discussion about the event.
> (maybe I'm not and there is)
> Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk
> category, concern is obviously justified.
> On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from
> overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number
> of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
> I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events
> but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this
> event unique.
> Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?
> I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure
> Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if
> postponing the event is possible?
> Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
> Glen
> Battle of Britain Racing
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
>
> I've decided to stay home.  Hope those who will still attend have great
> weekend.
>
> mjb.
>
>
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu May 21 14:36:38 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:36:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
References: <5220956E-91E7-4381-AC1D-B3D8E76809AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>


>> 
>> ?FOT:
>> 
>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner Cup. One is forthcoming.
>> 
>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to blink first.
>> 
>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone from attending or entering.  However:
>> 
>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
>> 
>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
>> 
>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new leadership. It is hoped that it will.
>> 
>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there electronically in the Hospitality Area.
>> 
>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of solid information.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 


From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 14:52:52 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:52:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <CABFvdWuffPUzF3c2E9zf9=Nk7heVtyCeQQMHjLpiUfsMd+GOBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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 <1342797300.2008267.1590088926143@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <741426086.2043034.1590094372729@mail.yahoo.com>

I?m in with both feet! ?But then I?m not really considered high risk... ? hope to see many of you at 6 feet distances!
Dave Gott and crew


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 4:32 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Glen
There may be a few folks like me that are sitting back still hoping for the best. I had been waiting until I found out if it was really?going to happen. I didn't expect that?it would be hey, we can check that box. After that, I had issues with taking time off from work because we split our team to work every other day, alternating teams from home so we could protect 1/2 the team to operate the business in the case the other half got quarantined. Fortunately that just ended but we did that with?15% reduction in force and now I don't know if I can get away? with, or will be allowed to take time off. After that I still have to decide if I am comfortable?to the string of hotels on a round trip from central Texas. As of now, if I can get free from work I will go.
Bob Kramer

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think that there would be much discussion about the event.(maybe I'm not and there is)
Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk category, concern is obviously justified.On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this event unique.
Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if postponing the event is possible?Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
Glen
Battle of Britain Racing
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18

I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.


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From steve at artwithcars.com  Thu May 21 14:53:29 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:53:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
In-Reply-To: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>
References: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>
Message-ID: <786EB439-A24B-43FF-B7AE-3582A698CBC1@artwithcars.com>

Due to the global pandemic, I?m not racing until further notice. I canceled my reservations To OH. I?m limiting my excursions to essentials only. 

~Steve Belfer 


> On May 21, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>>> 
>>> ?FOT:
>>> 
>>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner Cup. One is forthcoming.
>>> 
>>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to blink first.
>>> 
>>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone from attending or entering.  However:
>>> 
>>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
>>> 
>>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
>>> 
>>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new leadership. It is hoped that it will.
>>> 
>>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there electronically in the Hospitality Area.
>>> 
>>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of solid information.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
> 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 15:04:30 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 16:04:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
In-Reply-To: <786EB439-A24B-43FF-B7AE-3582A698CBC1@artwithcars.com>
References: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>
 <786EB439-A24B-43FF-B7AE-3582A698CBC1@artwithcars.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWuibJLHzX3xjtF+9kn1d72-Dvkq_ksJuwHA4+yWG9mTwg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not surprised, you were exposed to some very aggressive and mobile
viral germ bombs at least 10 times.

[image: image.png]

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:53 PM Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Due to the global pandemic, I?m not racing until further notice. I
> canceled my reservations To OH. I?m limiting my excursions to essentials
> only.
>
> ~Steve Belfer
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> >>>
> >>> ?FOT:
> >>>
> >>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner
> Cup. One is forthcoming.
> >>>
> >>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the
> event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to
> blink first.
> >>>
> >>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone
> from attending or entering.  However:
> >>>
> >>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN
> IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
> >>>
> >>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will
> be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
> >>>
> >>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new
> leadership. It is hoped that it will.
> >>>
> >>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be
> limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence
> on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there
> electronically in the Hospitality Area.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of
> solid information.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Joe Alexander
> >>> 4505 Donald Dr
> >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> >>> The-vintage-racer.com
> >>> Gasketinnovations.com
> >>> Cell:  319.464.4711
> >>>
> >
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu May 21 15:29:16 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 21:29:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB45144F02216B1698476237CABAB70@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Glen and all, I hear your concerns. Let me say without hesitation that not an hour goes by each day that I don't worry the shit about this whole situation. In reality its probably more like 15 minutes. Joes earlier reply was spot on. The cliff notes version is if SVRA races next month at Mid-Ohio we are locked in. Spectators are still a subject of debate.  SVRA said no but it looks like the track has pulled rank as I expect they kind of like the gate revenue. So, if the race goes on some of us will be there and make due the best we can. Patience (and distance ) will be appreciated. I will post any updates as soon as I get them.

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu May 21 15:40:07 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 23:40:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21
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References: <BL0PR02MB45144F02216B1698476237CABAB70@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Her in Germany things are brightening up.

The infections are going down.

Not sure about the economic damage that will hit us.

 

Hope you folks around the planet stay safe and have fun.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von marty sukey via Fot
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2020 23:29
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21

 

Glen and all, I hear your concerns. Let me say without hesitation that not
an hour goes by each day that I don't worry the shit about this whole
situation. In reality its probably more like 15 minutes. Joes earlier reply
was spot on. The cliff notes version is if SVRA races next month at Mid-Ohio
we are locked in. Spectators are still a subject of debate.  SVRA said no
but it looks like the track has pulled rank as I expect they kind of like
the gate revenue. So, if the race goes on some of us will be there and make
due the best we can. Patience (and distance ) will be appreciated. I will
post any updates as soon as I get them.

 

Marty

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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May 21 17:11:35 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:11:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix 2020 canceled
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcEyTSxvozCHrTnKPmPpAM4TFnwx5_rTK-gKtYF15rc=tA@mail.gmail.com>

://
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From timmmurphh at gmail.com  Thu May 21 17:07:37 2020
From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 18:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
In-Reply-To: <016b01d62fc4$735d05e0$5a1711a0$@gmail.com>
References: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com>
 <016b01d62fc4$735d05e0$5a1711a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com>

 

 

From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

 

The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.  The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.  The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.  Inertia increases as the square of the radius.  It is not a linear function of the radius.

 

An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.  I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.  I have never seen a calculation for it.  It would be complex.  Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine.

 

Tim Murphy

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

 

Something I have wondered about for years.

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.

TeriAnn

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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu May 21 18:16:55 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
References: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>

I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially to us ?FOGs.?
A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks when not in our cars. For me that
means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever?
Thanks,
Phil



Sent from my iPhone

From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 21 19:17:07 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:17:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
References: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C546C44F-8039-451B-BF13-D273BA6E0CA4@gmail.com>

Fair Question Phil:

?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good time. This can be one of those events.

?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio? would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the Kastner Cup.

So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it. 

It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.

It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t. But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.

The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other groups.

So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most Significant.

We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the paddock, and our friends at hand. 

What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially to us ?FOGs.?
> A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks when not in our cars. For me that
> means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> Thanks,
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu May 21 19:28:43 2020
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:28:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
References: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E.ref@aol.com>
 <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <40B64FF35A4D459D9A96C9AFB02DC8FA@Rocky>

An anti-fog spray is good. Both for glasses and visors.

https://www.amazon.com/Optix-55-Anti-Fog-Prevents-Binoculars/dp/B07P7J48VT

--Rocky Entriken

-----Original Message----- 
From: Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:16 PM
To: Friends Of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup

I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this 
will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal 
circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve 
attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a 
great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything 
in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially 
to us ?FOGs.?
A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I 
can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been 
canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks 
when not in our cars. For me that
means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most 
significant Kastner Cup ever?
Thanks,
Phil



Sent from my iPhone
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 21 19:56:19 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
In-Reply-To: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com>
References: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <603426AD-D1BF-4A2A-AA7B-78B20E2F7B18@gmail.com>

On my street TR4A, the harmonics came in about 2800 RPM and again at 5600 RPM.

It was an interesting sensation. Hard to describe.

I never noticed it in any of the race engines.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 21, 2020, at 6:14 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
>  
> From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>  
> The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.  The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.  The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.  Inertia increases as the square of the radius.  It is not a linear function of the radius.
>  
> An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.  I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.  I have never seen a calculation for it.  It would be complex.  Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine.
>  
> Tim Murphy
>  
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>  
> Something I have wondered about for years.
> 
> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu May 21 22:33:13 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 23:33:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
In-Reply-To: <603426AD-D1BF-4A2A-AA7B-78B20E2F7B18@gmail.com>
References: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <56ed86fb-5eeb-7a15-eb0d-7bdcf7663ad5@tonydrews.com>

I noticed it on track at 5600 rpm because it foamed the fuel in the 
float bowl, not because I actually felt it.

- Tony

On 5/21/2020 8:56 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> On my street TR4A, the harmonics came in about 2800 RPM and again at 
> 5600 RPM.
>
> It was an interesting sensation. Hard to describe.
>
> I never noticed it in any of the race engines.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell: ?319.464.4711
>
>
>> On May 21, 2020, at 6:14 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> *From:* timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
>> *To:* 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>>
>> The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic 
>> frequency.? The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic 
>> frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to 
>> the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is 
>> at greater radius than the other rotating masses.? Inertia increases 
>> as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius.
>>
>> An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.? I had always 
>> heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.? I have never seen a 
>> calculation for it. It would be complex.? Note that lighter pistons 
>> and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as 
>> they would reduce the inertia in the engine.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of *TeriAnn J. 
>> Wakeman via Fot
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
>> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>> *Subject:* [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>>
>> Something I have wondered about for years.
>>
>> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
>> harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer 
>> to that question.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 23:08:46 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 00:08:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <C546C44F-8039-451B-BF13-D273BA6E0CA4@gmail.com>
References: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
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I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but would
love to see everyone there.

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
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515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Thu, May 21, 2020, 8:29 PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Fair Question Phil:
>
> ?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate
> events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good
> time. This can be one of those events.
>
> ?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of
> something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio?
> would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for
> combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th
> Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it.
>
> It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s
> out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to
> the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.
>
> It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of
> ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t.
> But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.
>
> The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect
> on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the
> sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and
> Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other
> groups.
>
> So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most
> Significant.
>
> We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the
> paddock, and our friends at hand.
>
> What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told
> this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal
> circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve
> attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a
> great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing
> everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks,
> especially to us ?FOGs.?
> > A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as
> I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been
> canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks
> when not in our cars. For me that
> > means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> > Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> > But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and
> most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri May 22 00:16:31 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:16:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Hi TeriAnn, 
In theory, a lighter flywheel would make shift the harmonics to higher rpm and the load on the crankshaft (torsion forces) would be less. I believe this is a reality in the case of the 4 cyl TR crank. The heavy flywheel is there for smoother running, I don't know if there are other advantages? As you know (i.e. of the books of Kas Kastner), the harmonics of the 6 cyl TR crank are much more detrimental with high levering loads on the flywheel bolts. 
Maybe the front pulley can be made lighter when the flywheel is lighter. 
Respectfully yours, 
Marcel Van Mulders. 

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Something I have wondered about for years. 

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. 

TeriAnn 

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 05:28:09 2020
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:28:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods 
 That's a BIG gain, it gets some of that recip/bending load out of the mains. 
Glen
 
 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 22 06:40:02 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 07:40:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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The future is a big unknown and having been involved with organizing two
K-Cups I have a couple of observations and one big fear. I'll start the
spit-balling I think and I think that Joe thinks we need to develop a plan
to keep us getting together.

I'll start with the fear because it can be overcome if we face it now. I
ride MS150's. I've done 9 years in a row until this year. Both the Houston/
to Austin and the Dallas to Ft Worth rides were both cancelled this year.
When you do these 180 mile rides it is best to be on a team. The Team I
began riding with is no more. The founder, lead organizer, and
facilitator of the 35 member team passed away a few years ago. It was a
tragic, unexpected loss.  His "Wheels of Love Team" faltered because there
was not a clear path forward. There were some questions as to whether his
wife wanted the team to continue and without his leadership the team has
just faded. It was built around his leadership.We have had that type of
leadership and legacy in the Kastner Cup with Kas and Joe. If we are going
to keep this going we need a leader who can organize and facilitate, and
inspire participation. That person has to have the time and the
wherewithal to do it and the support of the rest of us. We have to want
this to continue and we have to show up to keep it going.

Observations:
Smaller 20 something car events, like the the Hallett and Eagles Canyon
K-Cups are fun but for me, larger participation numbers are even more fun.
We are getting older and some have and others will retire from racing. Will
we continue to have enough racers to keep the K-Cup viable?
We are spread out all across America and unlike Europe, it is
unrealistic to expect us all to get together once a year. Is there a place
we could do that?
If the K-Cup is to be "retired" , what will be the focus of the next "cup".
Should we consider collecting an All British race group like the Euro's do?
We have an obvious turning point after this race. We don't have to try to
do the exact same thing going forward. How else could we keep this going?

Like I said, spit-balling.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Fair Question Phil:
>
> ?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate
> events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good
> time. This can be one of those events.
>
> ?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of
> something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio?
> would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for
> combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th
> Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it.
>
> It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s
> out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to
> the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.
>
> It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of
> ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t.
> But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.
>
> The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect
> on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the
> sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and
> Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other
> groups.
>
> So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most
> Significant.
>
> We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the
> paddock, and our friends at hand.
>
> What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told
> this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal
> circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve
> attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a
> great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing
> everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks,
> especially to us ?FOGs.?
> > A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as
> I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been
> canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks
> when not in our cars. For me that
> > means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> > Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> > But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and
> most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 22 06:42:53 2020
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 06:42:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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On 5/21/20 11:08 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote:
> I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but 
> would love to see everyone there.

The times I'll be sitting at my computer looking? at pics and videos of 
the event and thinking "Wish I was there!" will probably be about 100 
times more common than the times I'll be thinking "Glad I stayed home."

mjb.



From britcars at bellsouth.net  Fri May 22 06:57:40 2020
From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:57:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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 Back in 1980, Fred Baker won the run-offs at Road Atlanta in a Jag XKE. One thing that he said helped was making the flywheel and harmonic damper as close to the same weight as possible. He used some big American car damper. They had trouble making maximum RPM and ran the engine on a dyno with a strobe light on the flywheel and noticed a severe flex to the crank. They increased the damper weight and the vibration was reduced giving close to 1,000 more RPM. The cranks "wiggle" at high RPM. Matching the weight at both ends reduced that. They did blow the engine the next week when giving writers a test ride. I used this theory on my TR4A using a factory crank that I modified and lightened, I used an ATI custom damper and a lightened aluminum flywheel (less than 18 lbs for flywheel, PP and disc) and was able to turn the engine to 7,300. I also used a custom 1/4" plate bolted to the oil pan rail and across to the center main caps. Maybe some one can get more info on this theory.
Barry Rosenberg
    On Friday, May 22, 2020, 07:32:38 AM EDT, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  

Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods 
 That's a BIG gain, it gets some of that recip/bending load out of the mains. 
Glen
 
 
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? ?From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
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Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 ?The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.? The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.? The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.? Inertia increases as the square of the radius.? It is not a linear function of the radius. ?An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.? I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.? I have never seen a calculation for it.? It would be complex.? Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. ?Tim Murphy ?From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
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Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 ?Something I have wondered about for years.Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.TeriAnn_______________________________________________
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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May 22 08:21:22 2020
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:21:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Everything resonates at it own natural frequency including us haha, and if your crank and flywheel are close in that particular freq you will have a problem so changing the weight will change the freq. subtracting weight does help but to what measure on your application I can't say, adding weight may help but it could also have the effect of compounding the problem. I am partial to using a front pulley as light and small as possible (no damper) and also a huge fan of light weight flywheels and small diameter clutches for this very reason. The most expensive thing you can do to help your the problem is a super light crankshaft. I recently build a motor for a guy with a custom crank that knocked off 12 lbs and I could tell the difference on the dyno before it ever went in the car, the typical vibrations were gone. I asked the driver after his first session how he liked the motor and the only thing he kept saying was "it's so smooth" over and over, it audibly sounded different on track as well, crazy. The really bad part is when the Harmonic frequency gets transferred to the valve train, then you will have a serious disaster. 4 cylinders are known for this problem and some guys won't even run one on their Dyno and I personally have thrown more flywheels off on the Dyno than I would care to admit and this very problem has forced me to look at the options if for no other reason than to make my life easier. Not looking for work here but I would be willing to build a crank for anyone wanting to take their stuff to the next level but it would cost about $3000.
Thanks, Rick
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    On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 03:43:54 PM EDT, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
   
Something I have wondered about for years.
 
Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.
 
TeriAnn
 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 22 08:25:34 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:25:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
Message-ID: <dcd573d2-9094-0043-410d-a0aabe554ba4@bradakis.com>

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire 
group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen 
<https://www.facebook.com/eric.vandiggelen?__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU&tn-str=%2AF&hc_location=group_dialog>

12 hrs <https://www.facebook.com/eric.vandiggelen/posts/10216645173190818>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in 
a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this 
Stolen Car Please Share"


mjb.


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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May 22 08:36:12 2020
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:36:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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Don't worry Phil we will still have fun it will just look a little different this year. SVRA will not be the the Covid 19 police when it comes to what is going on in the Paddock. The SVRA team will be using self imposed strict guidelines to protect everyone we come in contact with as a professional courtesy to all our friends and competitors but the track dictates how things work in the Paddock, I suspect by the time the race rolls around things may die down a bit, fingers crossed.
I'm looking forward to seeing all of you and for the ones who choose not to come I totally get it and respect your position, just know you will be missed.
Rick

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    On Friday, May 22, 2020, 08:45:18 AM EDT, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 On 5/21/20 11:08 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote:
> I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but 
> would love to see everyone there.

The times I'll be sitting at my computer looking? at pics and videos of 
the event and thinking "Wish I was there!" will probably be about 100 
times more common than the times I'll be thinking "Glad I stayed home."

mjb.


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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 22 08:49:52 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:49:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
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Wow!  Interesting low-line bonnet on that one.  Looks like it's been sectioned.  Cool.  Hope they find it.

Scott (B.)

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Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%3F__tn__%3D%252Cd%252AF%252AF-R%26eid%3DARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU%26tn-str%3D%252AF%26hc_location%3Dgroup_dialog&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=9jhlfmgj0SL%2BCrFQRVxtpog2gmSTNUA9jr6PK8bitU8%3D&amp;reserved=0>

12 hrs <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%2Fposts%2F10216645173190818&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=z0pOPTAJA00fPBz2Vvjr6nVw4YiQuv%2FsvXTkrDXL8J0%3D&amp;reserved=0>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this Stolen Car Please Share"


mjb.



From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:21:36 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:21:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>

Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.

The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.

It?s what we make of it.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 

From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:35:46 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:35:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>
References: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>

I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.

Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people
worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
>
> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
>
> It?s what we make of it.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:47:47 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <422BFCDB-D4BF-4009-A12C-E07A59C83295@gmail.com>

Well, that sounded a little unkind on my part. Sorry.

I am not trying to finish the seriousness of the Pandemic.  The Spanish was known as the Spanish Flu because they were the first ones to recognize the problem. In the meantime it was killing millions of people, exacerbated by troop movements in The Great War.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.
> 
> Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online
>  
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html
> 
>> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
>> 
>> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
>> 
>> It?s what we make of it.
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> > 
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 22 09:50:05 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:50:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR15MB342079AD8BC864252C661E9EE1B40@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <dcd573d2-9094-0043-410d-a0aabe554ba4@bradakis.com>
 <DM6PR15MB342079AD8BC864252C661E9EE1B40@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <009e01d63050$aabedb80$003c9280$@comcast.net>

Nice catch Scott, looks like 2.5 - 3" section. I'm guessing it's fiberglass. Good looking car.
The FB post says the trailer was recovered but the car is gone. I have often wondered about stolen race cars and why they were stolen.
More often that not it seems they are after the trailers and or tools, not so much the car.
In this case they kept the car. What do you do? strip it for parts, certainly not show up at a track and race it with another paint job.
I don't have anything on my trailer to suggest there is a race car inside. A drag racer friend of mine paints his car number on the roof of the trailer.
A thief wouldn't know it and law enforcement can identify it from the air. Very helpful if you have a GPS tracker.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 8:50 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Wow!  Interesting low-line bonnet on that one.  Looks like it's been sectioned.  Cool.  Hope they find it.

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:26 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%3F__tn__%3D%252Cd%252AF%252AF-R%26eid%3DARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU%26tn-str%3D%252AF%26hc_location%3Dgroup_dialog&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=9jhlfmgj0SL%2BCrFQRVxtpog2gmSTNUA9jr6PK8bitU8%3D&amp;reserved=0>

12 hrs <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%2Fposts%2F10216645173190818&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=z0pOPTAJA00fPBz2Vvjr6nVw4YiQuv%2FsvXTkrDXL8J0%3D&amp;reserved=0>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this Stolen Car Please Share"


mjb.


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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 22 09:54:27 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:54:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>
 <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a001d63051$46206260$d2612720$@comcast.net>

In 1968 we didn?t have a 24 hour news cycle or the interweb.

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:36 AM
To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup

 

I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.

 

Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.

The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.

It?s what we make of it.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 10:10:58 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:10:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <00a001d63051$46206260$d2612720$@comcast.net>
References: <00a001d63051$46206260$d2612720$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAAF81E7-C818-4A31-880D-ACD1534D60C8@aol.com>

Thanks Joe, Rick and others.
Good to know what can and cannot be expected at the event. Thanks for your straightforward answers. Tough decision....
Regards,
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In 1968 we didn?t have a 24 hour news cycle or the interweb.
>  
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:36 AM
> To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
>  
> I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.
>  
> Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online
>  
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html
>  
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
> 
> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
> 
> It?s what we make of it.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 10:35:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:35:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
References: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>

I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.Glen Efinger
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 11:26:32 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:26:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
Message-ID: <000901d6305e$2375f380$6a61da80$@klaenv.com>

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It
appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are
one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?

 

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a
death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.

 

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves
?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.

 

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a
vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some
60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to
develop antibodies against the virus.

 

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000
Americans to have had the virus.

 

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would
perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the
demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see
some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.

 

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross
your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the
indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to
varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers
and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple
of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.

 

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think
this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we
would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until
they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their
hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all
the very best of luck.

 

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 22 11:37:31 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:37:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
In-Reply-To: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWsqSffi3baikeTBu04EZOk4RNXicj_PxfM-t6BV-c-v4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Flashback

I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am
I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
> I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of
> the same feelings.
> Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health
> concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the
> consequences can be major.
> I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of
> one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
> I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could
> top that!
> Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who
> have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
> Glen Efinger
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 12:34:39 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:34:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
In-Reply-To: <CABFvdWsqSffi3baikeTBu04EZOk4RNXicj_PxfM-t6BV-c-v4Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 Man that's ringing a bell but...We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.I can account for bats and gators though...Glen
 
 
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To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses

Flashback
I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.? Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?
Bob Kramer

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.Glen Efinger
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 22 12:42:07 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:42:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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Some interesting stuff here indeed.

In truth the whole pandemic thing has me thinking about my health in 
general, looking at the long term picture.? Sure, I am diabetic, but it 
is not to the point of daily blood sugar testing, just every three 
months or so go in and see the doctor with a quick A1C blood test.? Will 
I improve, or get worse?? I'll be checking out that "Younger Next Year" 
book previously mentioned. Of course being only 66 years old now makes 
me a youngster compared to some on this list.

The gist of it has me questioning my goals.? Is it really worth it for 
me to return Killer to the track, and take on full fledged wheel to 
wheel vintage racing again, or should I ease off and just put together a 
nice, peppy streetable driver that can handle an autocross or two?? 
There's no easy way to objectively measure effort put in versus rewards 
gained.? It is a question of spirit, of adventure, excitement, a 
question of following your heart balanced with the real world.

I've posted this before in various venues, I really wish I knew who 
wrote it.? I'm not into motorcycles, but this transcends the hardware, 
and gets right into it.? Where lays the heart, where lays the soul of an 
old dinosaur like me?

=====

As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
perfect machines.? Their bikes are precision instruments built by
precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.

About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
Rolled up to a stop sign.? A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
the wick, and thumped on up the hill.? I shut nort down to listen
to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.? I was
thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
I choke, and tears fill my eyes.? As that quiet thump, thump,
thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
perfect Marin autumn days.? Back then, me and my dinosaur could
still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.

These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
the Rockies.? But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.? But I wonder,
where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?




From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri May 22 12:56:37 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:56:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <685a55c7-d5c4-a268-a07a-bd8e171d521b@bright.net>

It's "Show Time" for shirt orders. Many of you have already contacted me 
with payment details. But, would really like to hear from all by this 
week-end.? Once all info is logged, we can go ahead with production.? 
Here is what we need - name, method of payment and are we shipping or 
being picked up at event.? Names, addresses and contact details are on 
Jim Hassal's order spread sheet so we are good to go once you contact 
me.? Our FAX seems to be MIA so phone or email, please.? Thanks to all. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May 22 13:03:43 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:03:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
In-Reply-To: <610380588.781603.1590172479743@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>
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I think the chicken is a VTR thing awarded to someone who had a failure of some sort.

From: fubog1 via Fot 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:34 PM
To: rkramer56 at gmail.com 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses

Man that's ringing a bell but...
We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.
I can account for bats and gators though...
Glen






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To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses


Flashback 

I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
  I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.
  Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.
  I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
  I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!

  Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
  Glen Efinger

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 13:25:51 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:25:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
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There was a Rubber Chicken Racing in the Pacific Northwest. I think there was one hanging out of Alfa trunk. 

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 2:04 PM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Man that's ringing a bell but...
> We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.
> I can account for bats and gators though...
> Glen
> <Kates & gator & TR.jpg>
> <P1000720.JPG>
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
> To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
> Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses
> 
> Flashback
> 
> I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
> I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.
> Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.
> I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
> I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
> Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
> Glen Efinger
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 13:59:39 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
References: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
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Mark;
I love it!!
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
> I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
> these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
> perfect machines.  Their bikes are precision instruments built by
> precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.
> 
> About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
> coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
> Rolled up to a stop sign.  A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
> around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
> the wick, and thumped on up the hill.  I shut nort down to listen
> to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.  I was
> thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
> All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
> I choke, and tears fill my eyes.  As that quiet thump, thump,
> thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
> It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
> perfect Marin autumn days.  Back then, me and my dinosaur could
> still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
> primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
> so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.
> 
> These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
> the Rockies.  But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
> I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
> fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.  But I wonder,
> where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?
> 


From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 13:59:39 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
References: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <C280389B-7663-4FCA-B1A3-03B562316FCE@aol.com>

Mark;
I love it!!
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
> I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
> these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
> perfect machines.  Their bikes are precision instruments built by
> precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.
> 
> About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
> coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
> Rolled up to a stop sign.  A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
> around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
> the wick, and thumped on up the hill.  I shut nort down to listen
> to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.  I was
> thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
> All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
> I choke, and tears fill my eyes.  As that quiet thump, thump,
> thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
> It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
> perfect Marin autumn days.  Back then, me and my dinosaur could
> still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
> primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
> so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.
> 
> These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
> the Rockies.  But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
> I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
> fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.  But I wonder,
> where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?
> 


From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 14:08:45 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:08:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <000901d6305e$2375f380$6a61da80$@klaenv.com>
References: <000901d6305e$2375f380$6a61da80$@klaenv.com>
Message-ID: <3855EE48-552B-4FE7-91E6-C367FBA4C76F@gmail.com>

I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.

?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?


That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 

Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.

If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  

The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!





Let?s all take a reality pill here.  




You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin











> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>  
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>  
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>  
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>  
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>  
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>  
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>  
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>  
> Ken
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri May 22 14:23:49 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:23:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <3855EE48-552B-4FE7-91E6-C367FBA4C76F@gmail.com>
References: <000901d6305e$2375f380$6a61da80$@klaenv.com>,
 <3855EE48-552B-4FE7-91E6-C367FBA4C76F@gmail.com>
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IMHO?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.


?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?

That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited.

Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.

If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.

The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.

?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!


<image1.png>

Let?s all take a reality pill here.

<image1.png>


You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin








On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.

Ken
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 14:45:36 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:45:36 -0700
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From don at dcphotos.com  Fri May 22 15:00:42 2020
From: don at dcphotos.com (don at dcphotos.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:00:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
Message-ID: <7F032F28-8B35-4D5A-8CA6-3D8C09CD767F@dcphotos.com>

All, 
I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.

You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may

go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.

Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.

rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.

I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.

I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 

If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.

It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 

Keep the F in FOT,

Don





From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:44:10 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:44:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <20200522204545.5E5D7A192F@autox.team.net>
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Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  

I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.

A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.

Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.

Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  

This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.

I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.

And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   

Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.

I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  

Never be beaten by a virus!

?Justin






> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
> 
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
> 
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
> 
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
> 
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
> 
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
>  
> 
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
> 
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
> 
>  
> 
> Ken
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:49:27 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:49:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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On 5/22/20 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote:
> ?it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.

When some of us reach herd immunity. Maybe after sacrificing the lives 
of a couple hundred thousand Americans, maybe more, maybe a few million 
people around the world.

*I thought this was a list for Triumphs, not to argue over the virus 
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:51:14 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> All, 
> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
> 
> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
> 
> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
> 
> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
> 
> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
> 
> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
> 
> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
> 
> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
> 
> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
> 
> Keep the F in FOT,
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lunkercars at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 16:04:04 2020
From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:04:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Please... just stop!

> 

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 22 16:10:58 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:10:58 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Kastner Cup shirts
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Come on folks, don't leave Ted hanging. These are a special shirt all will be happy with. They are ordered, nows we gots to pay da man before he sends out Guido!

Marty

________________________________
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:56 PM
To: FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Kastner Cup shirts

It's "Show Time" for shirt orders. Many of you have already contacted me
with payment details. But, would really like to hear from all by this
week-end.  Once all info is logged, we can go ahead with production.
Here is what we need - name, method of payment and are we shipping or
being picked up at event.  Names, addresses and contact details are on
Jim Hassal's order spread sheet so we are good to go once you contact
me.  Our FAX seems to be MIA so phone or email, please.  Thanks to all. Ted

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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri May 22 16:16:48 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
Everyone has an opinion on this.  So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
Everything else is dangerous territory.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Please... just stop!
> 
>> 
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 16:17:48 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:17:48 -0700
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 16:29:56 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:29:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
> 
> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
> 
> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
> 
> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
> 
> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
> 
> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
> 
> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
> 
> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
> 
> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
> 
> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
> 
> Never be beaten by a virus!
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
> 
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
> 
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
> 
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
> 
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
> 
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
>  
> 
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
> 
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
> 
>  
> 
> Ken
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 16:30:35 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <ECAB81A5-0CAA-4A9B-A3A0-AFDD82515205@mhc-law.com>
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In my humble opinion

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:23 PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
> 
> IMHO?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>> 
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>> 
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>> 
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>> 
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>> 
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <image1.png>
>> 
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>> 
>> <image1.png>
>> 
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>>>  
>>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>>>  
>>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>>>  
>>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>>>  
>>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>>>  
>>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>>>  
>>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>>>  
>>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>>>  
>>> Ken
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri May 22 16:33:07 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Hey, it's Friday and here on the west coast, very close to beer thirty.  
Thumbs up, smilie face. 
Cheers! 
Dave H.  

Sent from my iPad

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
> Everyone has an opinion on this.  So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
> I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
> Everything else is dangerous territory.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Please... just stop!
>> 
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Fri May 22 16:37:19 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 23:37:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 163
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Delighted to hear that the Cup is on at Mid-Ohio!      But as there's almost
certain to be no racing before then in the UK, I'm not going to ship mine
all that way without even a shake down.  Even if I was allowed into your
fair country!
So have a good one guys, and there's always next year!

Bests
John

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 16:39:11 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:39:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Hey everybody, look at these cool Triumph parts!





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On Friday, May 22, 2020, 6:16 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
Everyone has an opinion on this.? So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
Everything else is dangerous territory.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Please... just stop!
> 
>> 
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 22 16:48:26 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:48:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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I think Mr Hasty knows you know what IMHO means. ?
I suspect he is questioning if in fact your opinion?is humble.
Well! As Joe always said, "NO DUES. ?NO RULES"
I guess that's why the FOT works.
Bill Dentinger


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 On?Friday, May 22, 2020,?J Wagner via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

In my humble opinion
On May 22, 2020, at 1:23 PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:



IMHO?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.

?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.? This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?

That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited.?
Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all. ?And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe. ?And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves. ?The rest need to get on with their lives. ?
The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....? ??

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality. ?The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity. ?

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there. ?We?re heading into our Summer!


<image1.png>
Let?s all take a reality pill here. ?
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You said,??We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.?I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes. ?So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies. ? That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed? ? What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening? ?What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia? ?Car accidents? ?Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin












On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:




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The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.? It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.? What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
 
 ?
 
As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.? Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
 
 ?
 
Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.? This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
 
 ?
 
It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
 
 ?
 
The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
 
 ?
 
If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.? Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
 
 ?
 
Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.? You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.? We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.? It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
 
 ?
 
We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.? I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ??I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.? I wish all the very best of luck.
 
 ?
 
Ken
 
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From john at linneyweb.com  Fri May 22 17:16:06 2020
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058


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>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> <image1.jpeg>
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> All, 
>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>> 
>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>> 
>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>> 
>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>> 
>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>> 
>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>> 
>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>> 
>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>> 
>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>> 
>> Keep the F in FOT,
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 17:58:04 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
In-Reply-To: <47C524A9-B875-4206-8B80-939FD5D0DB65@linneyweb.com>
References: <133B7CEA-4035-4093-ACCD-21DDC208B565@gmail.com>
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California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns

> On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
> 
> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> <image1.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All, 
>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>>> 
>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>>> 
>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>>> 
>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>> 
>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>> 
>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>>> 
>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>>> 
>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>> 
>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>>> 
>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Fri May 22 18:14:28 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:14:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
In-Reply-To: <47C524A9-B875-4206-8B80-939FD5D0DB65@linneyweb.com>
References: <133B7CEA-4035-4093-ACCD-21DDC208B565@gmail.com>
 <47C524A9-B875-4206-8B80-939FD5D0DB65@linneyweb.com>
Message-ID: <36eb35a4-088f-9484-50c0-b3b4db32151b@verizon.net>

Mineself I will put my trust in the experts in the field. Those Drs who 
have devoted their lives to research. And the scientists doing research.

I also read history and study it. "Those who don't learn from the 
mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them." Read up on the Spanish 
Flu of a century ago.

And people revolting against the lock downs: they don't have things 
nearly as bad as our ancestors did. Two months? Seriously? Most of our 
parents lived through the Great Depression. For years. And made the best 
of it.

When the experts say there will be a second round and say it will be 
worse I believe them. "You can pay me now or pay me later." Fram 
advertisement.

And to all the doctors nurses first responders and all in the Health 
Care field: Thank You. I worked in a hospital for 29 years and saw a 
lot. I have a real soft spot for nurses.

Best wishes to everyone and stay safe.

Bill

On 5/22/2020 7:16 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote:
> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before 
> Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days 
> like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in 
> the US.??Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by 
> many means.?You can play with the data and make your own mind up. 
> https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058 
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> <image1.jpeg>
>>
>>
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in 
>>> this current Covid world we are in.
>>>
>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what 
>>> you are asking others to do so you may
>>>
>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech 
>>> inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is 
>>> packed with others of unknown health status.
>>>
>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three 
>>> others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight 
>>> hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>>
>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>>
>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must 
>>> make this choice for themselves.
>>>
>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are 
>>> certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will 
>>> get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever,
>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months.
>>>
>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop 
>>> that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>>
>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is 
>>> about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. 
>>> Being hit by lightning is not contagious.
>>>
>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 18:35:03 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:35:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
In-Reply-To: <36eb35a4-088f-9484-50c0-b3b4db32151b@verizon.net>
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Coronavirus: Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause 'irreparable damage'

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/dr-anthony-fauci-says-staying-closed-for-too-long-could-cause-irreparable-damage.html

> On May 22, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Mineself I will put my trust in the experts in the field. Those Drs who have devoted their lives to research. And the scientists doing research.
> 
> I also read history and study it. "Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them." Read up on the Spanish Flu of a century ago.
> 
> And people revolting against the lock downs: they don't have things nearly as bad as our ancestors did. Two months? Seriously? Most of our parents lived through the Great Depression. For years. And made the best of it.
> 
> When the experts say there will be a second round and say it will be worse I believe them. "You can pay me now or pay me later." Fram advertisement.
> 
> And to all the doctors nurses first responders and all in the Health Care field: Thank You. I worked in a hospital for 29 years and saw a lot. I have a real soft spot for nurses.
> 
> Best wishes to everyone and stay safe.
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On 5/22/2020 7:16 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote:
>> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All, 
>>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>>>> 
>>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>>>> 
>>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more                   will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>>>> 
>>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>>> 
>>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>>>> 
>>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>>>> 
>>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>>> 
>>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>>>> 
>>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>>> 
>>>> Don
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>> 
>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri May 22 21:02:19 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 23:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
Message-ID: <FC1C7482-7D31-4883-99AE-B96FBF2E66B3@me.com>

Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.

So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.

Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?

Having fun in the garage these days!!!

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 22 21:03:40 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 03:03:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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References: <133B7CEA-4035-4093-ACCD-21DDC208B565@gmail.com>
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Ohmygawdpleasedropitalready.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233

________________________________
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:58:04 PM
To: John Linney <john at linneyweb.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)


California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Fcalifornia-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca8289f6d24414947a94e08d7feacaa4f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257889879480049&sdata=YW8D%2FheRwilylCYZaaNJLVeVQvYByNkKrffkhB5RpqQ%3D&reserved=0>

On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com<mailto:john at linneyweb.com>> wrote:

Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmur.com%2Farticle%2Fcoronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states%2F32380058&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca8289f6d24414947a94e08d7feacaa4f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257889879490044&sdata=x3yQx1HinFgRUMULGWSRUK6RsYU5KrlwhqOoYPHR0Gc%3D&reserved=0>

<image0.jpeg>
Sent from my iPad

On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

?
<image1.jpeg>


On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

All,
I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.

You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may

go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.

Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.

rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.

I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.

I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever,
we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months.

If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.

It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious.

Keep the F in FOT,

Don




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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May 23 03:19:54 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:19:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Friends of triumph friends, 
It all depends how hard the pandemic will still be active by the time of the Kcup, but no one knows. 
The heavy outbreak of Corona in Italy was caused by some big events in Northern Italy, the ski holydays, the Bergamo football match and a third one I did forget. It is generally accepted that a virus can spread easily where lots of people are together for some time. 
On the other hand, a pandemic can turn down, and mostly does so, before herd immunity is reached. The seasonal influenza epidemic comes and goes without reaching herd immunity of 60%. Unfortunately, this corona virus is much more dangerous than the influenza viruses, not because it is more contagious but you are much better off with a flu than with the covid-19 infection. People die from influenza too, but if that happens it is because of complications like bacterial pneumonie and other surinfections (things that doctors can do something about) but this corona virus is killing people on its own by causing pneumonia, vascular damage and so on and even if you are in hospital (intensive care), all the doctors can do is give support and often the patients die and they can do nothing but watch it. 
Anyway this virus has a big influence on our way of living, we can't deny it and go on as if it would not be there. Organising a big event is very complicated now. 

Marcel 

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race) 

Ohmygawdpleasedropitalready. 

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California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns 


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Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US. Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. [ https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmur.com%2Farticle%2Fcoronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states%2F32380058&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca8289f6d24414947a94e08d7feacaa4f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257889879490044&sdata=x3yQx1HinFgRUMULGWSRUK6RsYU5KrlwhqOoYPHR0Gc%3D&reserved=0 | https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058 ] 

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You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may 

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go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant 

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metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status. 

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Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant. 

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rinse, lather and repeat and head back home. 

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I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves. 

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I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 

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we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 

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If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months. 

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It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 

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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat May 23 04:58:31 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 06:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies 
home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old 
tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. 
Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep 
and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white 
car in the background!

Cheers Bill

On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy 
> Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s 
> been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest 
> vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and 
> I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at 
> everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, 
> has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not 
> rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
>
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil 
> every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks 
> all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake 
> lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. 
> ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny 
> bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those 
> if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks 
> need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the 
> local shop.
>
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the 
> engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good 
> non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
>
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:06:02 2020
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:06:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 06:19:05 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 07:19:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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#35 is probably Dennis Shea. I bought that car from his widow a while after he passed from a motorcycle accident. My son drove it in 3 Kastner Cups and now it is my vintage racer. 
Bob Kramet

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> On May 23, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:26:45 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:26:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat May 23 06:36:31 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:36:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.

As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.

A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.

Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.

Terry Stetler

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From: Bill Tobin via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars


Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill
On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.

So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.

Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?

Having fun in the garage these days!!!

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:43:32 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:43:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?  take 3
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat May 23 06:44:10 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:44:10 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Mike, I was at that race as a spectator.  I drove my TR3 street car down from Bowling Green.

Terry Stetler

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From: Mike Jackson via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:06 AM
To: FOT<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?

FOT -

As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.

You will find attached three things:

  *   Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
  use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2F2mhrjgqwwzrse9n%2FTriumph%2520reunion%25201992%2520numbered.pdf%3Fdl%3D0&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd35318ecf3934a297cd508d7ff11af02%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637258323716599510&sdata=6RQnd%2FS7Q0iazs2NUI9VSza5l7QFQlc2vQZ%2FNhUnON0%3D&reserved=0>  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
  *   The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
  *   A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.

Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat May 23 06:50:33 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:50:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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 There might be an add-on filter available for it.Back in the mid-70s I had a 53 Chevy work pickup with a 216 CI 6 cyl and it had one fitted.Yours may have that engine, BTW it has babbited bearings.I would tend to use 30 straight weight.Glenps- yeah I remember the starter switch too!
 
 
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Subject: [Fot] Old Cars

Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
Having fun in the garage these days!!!
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From harveykinnard at gmail.com  Sat May 23 07:08:22 2020
From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:08:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Great pic. Viewed it on my iPhone, easy please. Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 07:29:39 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 13:29:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions - take two
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Others will know better, but isn?t #10 Sean Alexander? ??
Fun fact: ?my Dad helped Bill Colom with his engine and tuning, I believe. ? I see you already have him named?correctly!
Dave Gott


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On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 8:51 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

<!--#yiv4721964351 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Argh, the list didnt take the scan of the entry list.? So, it's now in Dropbox as well.
Reminder.....you must use the links to get the pic and now the entry list from some 1992 source
The picture? -?https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0
The old list from the event -?https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8f0zm05zif9e7r/Entry%20list%20SVRA%20Mid%20Ohio%201992.jpg?dl=0
My list IS attached.? It's a small Excel file so hopefully it will go thru
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat May 23 08:11:10 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:11:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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 Although not officially a K-Cup event, I'm sure that we would all agree that Kas was there in spirit; for many of us, he is one of the prime motivators behind us doing what we do.It was truly a spectacular event.Glen #7ps- Mike you look like a kid ha ha!

This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.? But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
 
 
 
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From: Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?

<!--#yiv4409331454 DIV {margin:0px;}-->FOT -
As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.? This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.? But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
You will find attached three things:   
   - Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.? There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!? I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.? I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.? So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.? I'm no Dropbox expert!? But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.? If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.   
? use this link? ? ?https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0? you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.   
   

   - The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.   
   

   - A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.? Clearly not an official SVRA document.? Not sure of the origin.? Also attached
The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.? Hey!? It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.? But, the resolution is pretty good.? If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.? Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.? I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.? Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat May 23 08:28:28 2020
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:28:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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I was also there, as a corner worker. I arrived Thursday afternoon in my
TR6, and was immediately dispatched to a corner. Each day I worked
a different corner. On Sunday, I was at corner 1, which allowed me access
to the track for the TRiumph touring lap. It was a fabulous weekend, and
Peter Egan gave it a big write up in R&T.I still have my copy.

I introduced myself to Joe and Sean Alexander in the paddock. I had just
purchased my TR4 and was beginning the process of converting it to vintage
from SCCA preparation. Their TR4 was super fresh, maybe their first event
in #97?

Good times.

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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat May 23 08:29:27 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 10:29:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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thanks Bill, see you again one of these days.

On May 23, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill
On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
> 
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
> 
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
> 
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
> 
> <IMG_1012.jpg><IMG_1011.jpg>
> 
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 08:52:19 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Mark, may I use this photo and info on www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs and
in The Vintage Triumph Magazine?

I will be covering the Kastner Cup 2020 (spectators or no spectators,
pending government mandates as their date is May 26th) and this would be a
cool introduction/bookend photo with valued info. Photo credit would go to
you, of course.

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On Sat, May 23, 2020, 7:06 AM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> FOT -
>
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in
> 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the
> Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at
> the time.
>
> You will find attached three things:
>
>    - Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just
>    about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so
>    that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able
>    to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I
>    guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get
>    is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to
>    your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the
>    detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the
>    race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>      use this link
>    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0
>    you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
>
>    - The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we
>    think we have right is an attached file.
>
>    - A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his
>    files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.
>    Also attached
>
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's
> about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it
> scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the
> missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help
> correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive,
> much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if
> more than a handful of us still race.
>
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From 6t9gt6 at toast.net  Sat May 23 09:33:22 2020
From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it's members and competitors.  

   

With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.  

   

Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?   

   

I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  "Life is racing, the rest is just waiting." For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.  

   

Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, "you catch more bee's with honey than vinegar"  After all, this post is called "Friends of Triumph". 
  
  
  

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 From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race   
 Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
  
 Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
 On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   
 Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don't go over and hug folk. I don't visit retirement homes.  if I did, I'd wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
  
 I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad's death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what's going to take us.
  
 A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
  
 Really, look at the numbers.   We can't live in a bubble.
  
 Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
  
 This is not the pandemic where it's so bad every family will be touched and it's ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It's not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
  
 I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your "Russian Roulette with an automatic." was way off base.
  
 And by the way, "While you are getting through Covid with no problems"... you mean like how I'm unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there'd be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
  
 Your scare mongering is going "to be a real bitch when someone we personally love" faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How's it feel to have people's deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn't have gone there.
  
 I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
  
 Never be beaten by a virus!
  
 -Justin
  
  
  
  
  
  
 On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
   Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
  
 Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
 On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:    
   
 I'm sorry Ken, IMHO, you're way off base.
  

"....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves 'low risk'.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic...." 
  
 That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
  
 Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves "low risk" and no, it's not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it's certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
  
 If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
  
 The flu didn't stop vintage racing.

"If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then...."     

That "current rate" is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn't just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.    

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We're heading into our Summer! 
  
  

  
 Let's all take a reality pill here.  
  

   

You said, "We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. "  

Yes.  So enough with the "russian roulette with an automatic" analogies.   That's gross hyperbole, not science.  

It's a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.  

What's the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What's the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What's the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?  

Yet we all get on with our lives.  

-Justin  

   

  
  
  
  
  
  

On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
   

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?  

   

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.  

   

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves 'low risk'.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.  

   

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve "Herd Immunity" which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.  

   

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.  

   

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.  

   

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.  

   

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.  

   

Ken 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 10:02:15 2020
From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:02:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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?
?That is the race that started it all for me.  My dad and I went to that race because Paul Smock and Bill Burroughs were going to make the cross country trip to be in it.  They chickened out, but we still went.  I remember the group 44 TR8 being really quick.  I also remember seeing Tulius and other group 44 people there with one of their XJS race cars for sale.  I don?t remember any details except they were selling it for $7K.  Hindsight is 20-20!

I bought an SCCA Spitfire after that and the rest, shall we say, is history.

The number 14 car was raced by Ralph Thomas.  That?s the Kastner Brophy Vitesse which I have now.  It will be coming back to Mid-Ohio for the Kastner Cup.

Chuck

>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:49:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Thanks, Terry, really great advice.  As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer.  The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings.  At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right.  Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.

Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it".  After 73 years, however, I?m going to check.  It also  says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?.  I?ll try 90W and see what happens.  You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there.  However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.

Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.

While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots.  Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.  

On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
 
As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.  
 
A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
 
Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
 
Terry Stetler
 
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Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill

On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet. 
 
So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
 
Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
 
Having fun in the garage these days!!!
 
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:58:22 -0700
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Hi Scott,

If it is a recirculating ball steering box, this is what a lot of people use for lube when rebuilding.

https://www.amazon.com/John-Deere-Corn-Head-Grease/dp/B00CSBOLL8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=john+deere+corn+head+grease&qid=1590260015&sr=8-1

It?s kind of in between grease and oil in that it stays in contact with the parts that need lube but doesn?t leak past the seals.  Gear oil will probably leak past the seals and grease will ?channel.?  I think that means the moving parts will move the grease out of the way and not allow it to lube properly.

Sounds like a fun project.  Good luck!

Chuck

> On May 23, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks, Terry, really great advice.  As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer.  The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings.  At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right.  Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.
> 
> Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it".  After 73 years, however, I?m going to check.  It also  says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?.  I?ll try 90W and see what happens.  You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there.  However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.
> 
> Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.
> 
> While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots.  Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.  
> 
> On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
>  
> As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.  
>  
> A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
>  
> Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bill Tobin via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!
> 
> As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.
> 
> I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!
> 
> Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!
> 
> Cheers Bill
> 
> On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet. 
>  
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
>  
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>  
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 17:25:59 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.

Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.

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> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
>  
> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>  
> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>  
> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>  
> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>  
> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>  
>  
>  
> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>  
> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>  
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>  
> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>  
> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>  
> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>  
> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>  
> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>  
> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>  
> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>  
> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>  
> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>  
> Never be beaten by a virus!
>  
> ?Justin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>  
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>  
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
>  
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>  
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>  
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>  
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
> 
>  
>  
> 
>  
> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>  
> 
>  
> 
> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
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> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
>  
> 
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
> 
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 18:48:49 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:48:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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I agree, cornhead grease (?cornhead? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.??I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Duncan
On May 23, 2020, 3:04 PM -0400, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>, wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> If it is a recirculating ball steering box, this is what a lot of people use for lube when rebuilding.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/John-Deere-Corn-Head-Grease/dp/B00CSBOLL8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=john+deere+corn+head+grease&qid=1590260015&sr=8-1
>
> It?s kind of in between grease and oil in that it stays in contact with the parts that need lube but doesn?t leak past the seals. ?Gear oil will probably leak past the seals and grease will ?channel.? ?I think that means the moving parts will move the grease out of the way and not allow it to lube properly.
>
> Sounds like a fun project. ?Good luck!
>
> Chuck
>
> > On May 23, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Terry, really great advice. ?As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer. ?The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings. ?At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right. ?Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.
> >
> > Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it". ?After 73 years, however, I?m going to check. ?It also ?says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?. ?I?ll try 90W and see what happens. ?You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there. ?However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.
> >
> > Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.
> >
> > While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots. ?Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.
> >
> > On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.? As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil, ?and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.? Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.? If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.? Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.? If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
> >
> > As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.? Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.? Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.? The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.? The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.? It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.? I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.? It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.
> >
> > A word about those old drum brakes.? If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.? Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.? Really, this is a thing.? I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.? It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
> >
> > Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
> >
> > Terry Stetler
> >
> > Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10
> >
> > From:?Bill Tobin via Fot
> > Sent:?Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
> > To:?fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject:?Re: [Fot] Old Cars
> >
> > Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!
> > As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.
> > I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!
> > Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!
> > Cheers Bill
> > On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> > > Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
> > >
> > > So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
> > >
> > > Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> > > Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
> > >
> > > Having fun in the garage these days!!!
> > >
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat May 23 19:33:11 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:33:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking 
> harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid 
> grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.??I had a Morgan 
> steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease 
> (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any 
> agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering 
boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement 
from oil leaking out of the swivels.

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From 6t9gt6 at toast.net  Sun May 24 00:34:54 2020
From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 02:34:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
Message-ID: <31da84972ab44d61a0df068279b3ff44@toast.net>

 

I hope this post reaches its intended readership.   

   

As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it's members and competitors.  

   

With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.  

   

Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?   

   

I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  "Life is racing, the rest is just waiting." For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.  

   

Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, "you catch more bee's with sugar than vinegar."  After all, this post site is called "Friends of Triumph".  

   

   

   

   

   

    

  
  
  

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From steve at artwithcars.com  Sun May 24 00:43:24 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 23:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
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Ask your doctor if there?s a right or wrong answer 

~Steve


> On May 23, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I hope this post reaches its intended readership. 
>  
> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>  
> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>  
> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>  
> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>  
> Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with sugar than vinegar.?  After all, this post site is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>  
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sun May 24 05:12:54 2020
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:12:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
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Extremely well said, and prudent.
Thank you



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone



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From: Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/24/20 1:43 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 6t9gt6 at toast.net
Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones

Ask your doctor if there?s a right or wrong answer

~Steve


On May 23, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

I hope this post reaches its intended readership.



As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.



With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.



Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?



I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.



Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with sugar than vinegar.?  After all, this post site is called ?Friends of Triumph?.

















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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun May 24 05:51:23 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:51:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.

Terry Stetler

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From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.

TeriAnn

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sun May 24 07:15:02 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 08:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
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From chip at theukmotorsports.com  Sun May 24 07:21:15 2020
From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 09:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <FC1C7482-7D31-4883-99AE-B96FBF2E66B3@me.com>
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Congratulations Scott,

That is an outstanding score. I'm sure you'll hear from Dean...he has some
amazing old American iron that he sports around in. Have fun,
Chip

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 11:21 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy
> Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been
> sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve
> ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on
> it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this
> came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life,
> and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I
> haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
>
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil
> every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all
> around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights),
> manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel
> bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a
> date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25
> mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for
> a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
>
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine,
> 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good
> non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun May 24 07:34:06 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 13:34:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <46C500B1-3827-49BC-A743-93A426672254@gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR05MB680893F0D5031029F0AE46D6C3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
 <46C500B1-3827-49BC-A743-93A426672254@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR05MB6808265695FB32186200C35AC3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.

Terry Stetler

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From: Bob Kramer<mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
To: Terry Stetler<mailto:tlizzard at msn.com>
Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman<mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>; fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions.
Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.

Terry Stetler

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Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.

TeriAnn

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 24 08:44:50 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:44:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Has anyone tried it in the U-joint housing of the Ford Or Chevy torque tube driveline cars and light trucks? It would eventually get diluted with SAE 90 gear oil....  getting proper lube into that joint always worries me. 
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bob Kramer
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
> To: Terry Stetler
> Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>  
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 24 08:44:50 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:44:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR05MB6808265695FB32186200C35AC3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Has anyone tried it in the U-joint housing of the Ford Or Chevy torque tube driveline cars and light trucks? It would eventually get diluted with SAE 90 gear oil....  getting proper lube into that joint always worries me. 
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bob Kramer
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
> To: Terry Stetler
> Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>  
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun May 24 13:29:44 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:29:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
References: <1384627428.630729.1590348584667.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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As a pulmonary Critical Care physician-?? I have taken care of pstients with Sars/Covid 19 syndromes. ?
23 y/o to 78 y/o. ?

? We have a special negative ?pressure ward to isolate these folks.?? Interesting to note that in past two weeks ?there has been a dramatic increase at our facility. ?Go figure. Just when we were feeling that we should ?open? up .?
Its more than just ?pneumonia?.?
Yes,?we have access to?medications but, they are not easy to get. ?
If you live on a farm / open country without comingling with others your risk is low. ?
Internet is full of?Risk assesment strategies but,??ask your Physician.?
Mordy?
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun May 24 13:51:57 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:51:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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 Succinct and point well made, thanks for posting it MordyThis is a dynamic situation...Glen
 
 
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)

As a pulmonary Critical Care physician-?? I have taken care of pstients with Sars/Covid 19 syndromes. ?
23 y/o to 78 y/o. ?

? We have a special negative ?pressure ward to isolate these folks.?? Interesting to note that in past two weeks ?there has been a dramatic increase at our facility. ?Go figure. Just when we were feeling that we should ?open? up .?
Its more than just ?pneumonia?.?
Yes,?we have access to?medications but, they are not easy to get. ?
If you live on a farm / open country without comingling with others your risk is low. ?
Internet is full of?Risk assesment strategies but,??ask your Physician.?
Mordy?
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun May 24 14:22:05 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 15:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 ?- Larry Young
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun May 24 16:28:47 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Very cool. Love the disc wheels. I?d like a model t roadster some day. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.
> 
> I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
>  - Larry Young
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From billdentin at aol.com  Sun May 24 16:40:41 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 22:40:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 ?- Larry Young
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun May 24 16:41:49 2020
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:41:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup
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From: Robert Johns 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 6:22 PM
To: FOT team ; Robert Johns 
Subject: FW: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Johns
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:10 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup

 

My father had a 1947 Cheve pickup that was his daily driver and I could us it any time I wanted to. You say, what has that got to do with sports cars?   Well I will tell you.  I was planning to go to the races at Watkins Glen in 1952 and planned to sleep overnight before the race. As I had been to the race in 1951 and wanted to do things different this time.  I scouted up some metal rods from the oil field, that we lived in, and bent them into hoops to make a covered wagon top on the Cheve.  So off my buddy and I went off to the race.  You race historians will remember that the race in 1952 was the last race through town and the race was stopped after a child was hit and killed on Main Street.  So the sleeping facility worked well but the race viewing turned out to be a bust.    

 

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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun May 24 17:05:33 2020
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:05:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
Message-ID: <B76E099A8E2C428F854D281B0E81BC84@DESKTOPF2062B6>

Someone was wondering when detergent oils were initiated.  I grew up right down the street from the Kendall Refinery, and the addition of detergents was a big deal.  The detergents addition to old curded engines was a problem as the curd could-would break loose and plug up the oil pump screen.  Any way, as I remember the switch over was 1951/1952 period.  It is hard to find non-detergent these days in the better grades of oil. 
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun May 24 17:59:20 2020
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 17:59:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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On 5/24/2020 5:05 PM, Bob Johns via Fot wrote:
> Someone was wondering when detergent oils were initiated.? I grew up 
> right down the street from the Kendall Refinery, and the addition of 
> detergents was a big deal. The detergents addition to old curded 
> engines was a problem as the curd could-would break loose and plug up 
> the oil pump screen.? Any way, as I remember the switch over was 
> 1951/1952 period.? It is hard to find non-detergent these days in the 
> better grades of oil.


The problem was not just plugging up oil screens.? Engines of the time 
used babbitted bearings, which were sealed in place with paraffin-soaked 
wicking and similar materials that became carbonized as the hot metal 
was poured.? Detergents dislodged all that carbonized material and, 
oops!, what little oil pressure such engines had went away.

Detergents were introduced when manufacturers upgraded to shell bearings 
(which were greatly refined during the war years in aircraft engines).? 
Detergents tended to keep particles suspended in the oil, which 
minimized the chance of them becoming embedded in shell bearings, which 
was not so much a problem with babbitt metal.? The tin in babbitt metal 
was soft enough (and thick enough) for them to get pounded down so they 
didn't stick up much from the surface, thus minimizing the damage to 
often unhardened crankshafts.? The layer of soft metal in shell bearings 
is very thin, so the prospect of something getting stuck in them and 
being available to wear the crank required rethinking the oils used.

I suspect that the changeover to detergents was accompanied by the same 
sorts of problems that the changeover to synthetics presented.? If the 
engine is designed for the new oils, no problem.? If it wasn't, well, 
/caveat emptor /(my father, IIRC, blew up two engines in his `46 
Plymouth in the space of eight months around the time detergents became 
available).? In the late `70s, I remember reading some horror stories 
about engines converted to full synthetics that burned bearings because 
the synthetics ran out of the bearings a lot more quickly, with an 
attendant loss of oil pressure.? Around the same time, I worked with a 
guy who raced snowmobiles along with his brother.? He thought he'd try 
Mobil1, thinking he'd get another horsepower or so.? First time out, 
burned a bearing.? But, his engine had some hours on it, so they tried 
it in his brother's sled the next weekend, which had a fresh engine.? 
Burned a bearing.? Engines designed for the stuff ultimately had tighter 
clearances and higher-volume pumps.? Still remember some nitwit Navy 
lieutenant screaming at me that "jet engines used synthetics," so why 
couldn't he use it in his Toyota Celica (this after complaining about 
noisy operation only after he converted to Arco Graphite, which at the 
time was something like 0W-15... in Florida, in the summertime--its hot 
viscosity was less than water).? Trying patiently to explain that it's 
fine if it's designed for that oil and pointing to the owner's manual 
just didn't work....


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 18:46:53 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.

(It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)

Dusty Nicholson 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
> 
> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>>  
>>  
>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>  
>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>  
>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>  
>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>  
>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>  
>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>  
>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>  
>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>  
>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>  
>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>  
>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>  
>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>  
>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>  
>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>  
>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>  
>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>  
>> ?Justin
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>  
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>>  
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>  
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>  
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>  
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 18:46:53 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <28BD097F-8D6D-4262-8C66-B67C3198E00F@gmail.com>
References: <28BD097F-8D6D-4262-8C66-B67C3198E00F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C12EB9A-5FD3-4EAE-B595-2E131B2B31FE@yahoo.com>

YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.

(It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)

Dusty Nicholson 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
> 
> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>>  
>>  
>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>  
>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>  
>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>  
>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>  
>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>  
>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>  
>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>  
>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>  
>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>  
>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>  
>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>  
>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>  
>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>  
>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>  
>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>  
>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>  
>> ?Justin
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>  
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>>  
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>  
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>  
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>  
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
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From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:25:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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I third that request.  Thanks.
Dave H.  

Sent from my iPad

> On May 24, 2020, at 5:46 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.
> 
> (It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)
> 
> Dusty Nicholson 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
>> 
>> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
>> 
>> Bob Kramer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>>  
>>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>>  
>>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>>  
>>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>>  
>>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>>  
>>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>>  
>>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>>  
>>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>>  
>>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>>  
>>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>>  
>>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>>  
>>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>>  
>>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>>  
>>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>>  
>>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>>  
>>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>>  
>>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>>  
>>> ?Justin
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>>  
>>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>>  
>>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>>  
>>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>>  
>>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>>  
>>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>>> 
>>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>>> 
>>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>>> 
>>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>>> 
>>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>>> 
>>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>>> 
>>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>>> 
>>> ?Justin
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 24 21:00:06 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:00:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] User names
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On 5/24/20 6:46 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote:
> YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign 
> their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.
>
> (It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t 
> have this problem)
>
> Dusty Nicholson


If the software on your computer behaves differently than the software 
on your phone there isn't anything I can do about it on my end.

mjb.



From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 24 21:11:36 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] User names
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Actually maybe there is something I can tweak on this end, involving 
DMARC header munging.? And chances are you won't know what that means, 
don't worry, no need to sweat those details.

But I need to get to work now, more on this tomorrow.

mjb.



From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon May 25 08:18:38 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 09:18:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Yes, I was wondering if anyone would know what that bicycle pump does. - 
Larry

On 5/24/2020 5:40 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote:
> Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
>
> Bill Dentinger
>


From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon May 25 08:51:25 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:51:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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 Ah the manual fuel pump!Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring.He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros.Both with the handle on the left.We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both.The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun!Glen Efinger

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 ?- Larry Young
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon May 25 10:45:59 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 16:45:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?  Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.
Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels.

Terry Stetler

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From: fubog1<mailto:fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

Ah the manual fuel pump!
Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring.
He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros.
Both with the handle on the left.
We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both.
The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun!
Glen Efinger




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?

Bill Dentinger

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On Sunday, May 24, 2020, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?).
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling,
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication.
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards).
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time.
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 - Larry Young

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon May 25 11:14:36 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 17:14:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR05MB6808B150BB32CC4C9F712DC7C3B30@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1274162210.694466.1590360041252.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

#yiv1482693213 #yiv1482693213 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv1482693213 #yiv1482693213 p.yiv1482693213MsoNormal, #yiv1482693213 li.yiv1482693213MsoNormal, #yiv1482693213 div.yiv1482693213MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1482693213 a:link, #yiv1482693213 span.yiv1482693213MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1482693213 .yiv1482693213MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {}#yiv1482693213 div.yiv1482693213WordSection1 {}#yiv1482693213 Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?? Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May 25 12:14:49 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 20:14:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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The pump pressurize the tank to force the fuel to the carburetors.
This pump is operated by the codriver.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Mai 2020 16:19
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Yes, I was wondering if anyone would know what that bicycle pump does. -
Larry

On 5/24/2020 5:40 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote:
> Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
>
> Bill Dentinger
>

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue May 26 05:33:43 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:33:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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References: <1274162210.694466.1590360041252.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Well last year my brother in law?s boat developed a fuel problem, and I came to realize pressurizing the tank manually got us back home. ? My trumpet lungs came in handy! ?Too bad there wasn?t a pump handy! ??
(Priming bulb didn?t work as turns out the leak was in the tank fitting)


Dave Gott


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On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 2:10 AM, fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> wrote:

 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

#yiv0203242680 -- filtered {}#yiv0203242680 filtered {}#yiv0203242680 filtered {}#yiv0203242680 p.yiv0203242680MsoNormal, #yiv0203242680 li.yiv0203242680MsoNormal, #yiv0203242680 div.yiv0203242680MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv0203242680 a:link, #yiv0203242680 span.yiv0203242680MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0203242680 .yiv0203242680MsoChpDefault {}#yiv0203242680 filtered {}#yiv0203242680 div.yiv0203242680WordSection1 {}#yiv0203242680 Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?? Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue May 26 05:51:16 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:51:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
In-Reply-To: <906181901.3205937.1590492823758@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1274162210.694466.1590360041252.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Classic!No further comment, I'm gonna leave that one alone...Glen Efinger
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; tlizzard at msn.com <tlizzard at msn.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 26, 2020 7:33 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

Well last year my brother in law?s boat developed a fuel problem, and I came to realize pressurizing the tank manually got us back home. ? My trumpet lungs came in handy! ?Too bad there wasn?t a pump handy! ??
(Priming bulb didn?t work as turns out the leak was in the tank fitting)


Dave Gott


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 2:10 AM, fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> wrote:
 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

#yiv6672880800 -- filtered {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 p.yiv6672880800MsoNormal, #yiv6672880800 li.yiv6672880800MsoNormal, #yiv6672880800 div.yiv6672880800MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6672880800 a:link, #yiv6672880800 span.yiv6672880800MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6672880800 .yiv6672880800MsoChpDefault {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 div.yiv6672880800WordSection1 {}#yiv6672880800 Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?? Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From dennis at motorsportranch.com  Tue May 26 10:43:47 2020
From: dennis at motorsportranch.com (Dennis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:43:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
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Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?  I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?  Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue May 26 10:45:19 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 09:45:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
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From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News

 

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CSRG's "Contact Patch" 

 

	

 


Greetings! 

 

	



 

David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12

 

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Nine Frequently Asked Questions 

 

1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.

 

2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No

 

3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.

 

4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.

 

5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.

 

6) Are spectators allowed?: No

 

7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.

 

8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled

 

9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg

 

We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every 

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful, 

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your 

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.

 

We hope everything comes together 

& we can hold a safe, fun event. 

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Helmets for 2020

 


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There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year. 

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept. 

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.

 

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Mentoring

 

Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

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2020 CSRG Race Schedule

 


Spring Races at Thunderhill 

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled


David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12


17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4


Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1

 

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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.

 

Driver Conduct

 

(A compilation of the most common infractions)

*	If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

*	If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

*	When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

*	Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

*	Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

*	The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook) 

*	If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

*	If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

*	If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately. 

*	Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

*	Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

Click here to see a larger, printable version:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvpQwy5bcqjzvDdm_TbXW0bIm8LO7rrBB4ql60zmdXtZ19XInNdMGP8VD2NUyEmj9sTaNcCO4m0-EiYMAMr3zFkpXhjFkjGJvR3xnChj1m9X11XZ5ayjWTE8BYWSykgZJxnbPpSYBEpaJcUlcCCyWuM4HF0ytX0ZtdzsxpzE9mb9xw942sjSygxpvbOieWanoQnDnaX-cThdx&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Driver Conduct 

 

If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.  

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Digital Links

 

There are a lot of CSRG related videos on YouTube, but did you know that CSRG also has a YouTube Channel? Click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avk_mYB1HIxZ1ARqqrFTGba-t8968Niepb6iolhDs4MCy5fodOZNrLVDbPoD2qAolSCwEq8ywSvV-WsxxcqK8y3Hz-7n66M1h9e3FgROKlvSgW38c4ltIy4vRbro0HeRbuaAPmpDzxC5GrnbXol1liXwXXTt8floam1zkszo-Xpfr4eGKKLyn1rs=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Videos

 

Did you know that CSRG has not only a club website ( <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuZmtnB7JWKjVSurggigPMpMED7Fwd0wXtWDwGt0ENNjwrgbgEBT8DWU3ic9pakSp_zdqRCWHhdWzsNbxAKXnIXamQu13dFKW96RB4oLxB_WIbswsVMxiOjXr3K2C5doFQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.csrgracing.org) but also:

 

David Love Vintage Races Site:  

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Charity Challenge Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrD7LPyYXVCidoAKFxpBuapiXrG03NfYM9aK9d3WURfXXt1Zj3PLCbJAcM9ZYLgHZOuJ0CDIDDDTMdbe7hoJJowVpUTioYItetpO_1dNUmA0JfnOO6CZCDWxMl-oMg3udw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CC

 

Crossflow Cup Site:  

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USRRC Group 4 Site:  

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John Morton Cup Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avm158MabuNS4euat5qEn9fRsZZ7C_QuOtndgk7VpSAdG96B3qFXlL1QfOF_dUBn7qrgNKA2ATslidgtWY9xTTfmv5D3kHZAx4BeOkzAntnjOK2zHWMKt1JcJ2uJqk6Khiw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Morton Cup

 

CSRG Facebook:  

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Race Group Tire Rules

 

Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups. 

 

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Click here to go to the HMP site:  

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Production Car Sub-Groups

 

Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set. 

 

However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set 

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.

 

The A, B & C Classes are:

 

'A'=prepped to 1962 rules 

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules 

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer) 

 

Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.

 

If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:

 


Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars 

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Scott Brown

British Cars

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

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For People Who Love Cars

 

Please support those who support 

the Classic Sports Racing Group

 

To go to the Hagerty site, click here:  

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Driving Bruce McLaren's M6

 


 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuLmBludazDgDdVV3NuzPqLLSheJHFE7htEavDRgCD8kLfjFvWahHaNMvC7oVLhuS2MZOGLwXiyVb3MVb0PD6MqCReHEuO0yLDEYNjM1qF55hd34TSmORrrGJLKZlJq3j-qq8M8XbYFekhyxEQM7Qpw=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Image removed by sender. Being Bruce: Driving Bruce McLaren's M6A

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Cars & Parts Classifieds

(Instructions for placing an ad follow the classifieds)

 

Cars for Sale

 

1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000

 

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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at  <mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net> tajlab at sbcglobal.net

 

EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10

 

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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com 

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee

 

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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000  

Buck Jones 831-917-5952 

 

1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior

 

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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus at Laguna $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or  <mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com> prtrenholme at gmail.com  

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Fantasy Junction

 

145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555

 

1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible

 

Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by 

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership 

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented 

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.

 

For more details & photos, please click on:  1968 GT500

 

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Parts/Trailers for Sale

 

2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price

 

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Multiple extras, including winch, canopy, heavy duty axles, cabinets, work table, ceiling vent, and other accessories. Purchased new 2013 for $30,800.  Low mileage and still under the 10 year factory warranty. Click here to see detailed invoice for all features:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFSHv0-2bUX4WuCcsp3eJ5MDOo8wpsQ_LhnIqQDNEq-7Z0js_og1hjuo0F1Vr2k5oTVAq7Bc47WyMSUOYOwVF3fpmj9MOOrVdcRgdt4znJIIp-YyqjLg9CPlRkADN-fKlxMP1tGCYbZepoL_b2En6GJkmqTJtLPkNEywRrRc6Y_93D4H7TLtC6n9pG4cpnZ4wCg6fkmIQYW&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Trailer Specs.. $10,000/OBO. Contact Mike Callaham at: <mailto:sushi43 at comcast.net> sushi43 at comcast.net

 

 

2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer

 

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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at:  <mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> jgrosseto at icloud.com Price. $10,000 offers considered

 

Formula Junior Engine

 

109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.

 

Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.

 

20 ft custom Alumalite trailer 

 

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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels

 

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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle. 

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> here to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

 

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Want to place an ad?

 

Here are the guidelines:

*	Ads are available only to CSRG members & are free of charge.
*	Ads will run for 4-6 CPs, depending upon volume.
*	Ads should be 50-60 words, excluding contact info. Include either an email address, home phone or cell phone number.
*	At the very least include a first name.
*	Include a link to a more detailed description, if possible.
*	Include an asking price.
*	Include a photo.

Email your ad to  <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com. 

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Contacts & Memberships

 

 CSRG Board


President

Locke de Bretteville

 <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com


Vice President

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Treasurer

Steve Torp

 <mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org> treasurer at csrgweb.org


Secretary

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com


Director

Ed Lamantia

 <mailto:piclhead at msn.com> piclhead at msn.com


Director

Scott Brown

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Director

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

CSRG Race Personnel


Race Director

Geoff Pitts

 <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org


Registrar

Petey Thorton

 <mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org> registrar at csrgweb.org


Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

 <mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com> h.boverhuis at gmail.com

510.541.0883

	
Car Eligibility

	


Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com


Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com

 

Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at    <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> csrg.motorsportreg.com. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org

 

 

Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at   <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org or Petey Thornton at  <mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org> Registrar at csrgweb.org

 


To the land we love and the love we land,

 

Mort Canard

 

	

 


Miscellaneous Information

 

Membership Renewals: If you can't remember whether you renewed for this season, you can check your Profile at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG MotorsportsReg or ask the Race Director.

Tech inspection sheets  

 

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Event registration  

 

Click here to be directed to  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG.MotorsportReg for online registration.  Be sure to bookmark or save it as a favorite for quick access in the future. 

 

Despite the use of on-line membership applications & entries by the vast majority of our membership, there are still a few, very few, holdouts who insist on paper entries. For those individuals mail-in forms can be obtained by clicking on the "Event Schedule" button on our home page at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avl0gq4AJgw3zvkR3y99_fSYxJq3-r5_GAiJ0ZK3Vkk3CJmgNJOo8br5jsI-eoibRnxF-01jgZ7MKVH4hQLyt_hd7DphWM1jvMC9oixkBlEl0lgG5FI7_eP0=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.CSRGracing.org or by clicking on:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avo0DRTr83T_V7pViffZXJIxpLc3tcMCDNKP7suG4roqo8B2EZa4CqAoAyVE7rC0hzMy6YApIRFFqfM5C4WAdnVDmZ4ov5UF6oI6PRMOUZbW8L7uJ-rqZPkrtJ7lyRHJ7tGvD1IX7VR3kQapVIBW8JfTRltRQ3GND8g==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> EventSchedule. Note: Mail-in entry forms are specific for each event and will usually appear on the site 6 to 8 weeks before an event. 

CSRG Medical Form

 

Click on  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjCnAskhoJuwmBUUL25iJB0SxpbsMahhMXqNZ1GELd9GaK_v4HiYKqcPf_ZHSgrKGSIP6QtvDdhTfTc0xw9XOLY83sTubyhdz5s282RVGmORBKex9TzJNNePmF4VGbEoWgeV6use5WESR1y527Sn3KtMMrml0SpSd2arI8VaS0VuviGElnA1hDDY5joUxowlNM&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Med Form to download a copy of the form.  You do not need to send in the original Medical Form with the "wet" signature to CSRG.  You can now keep your original and either mail a clear  photocopy or, better yet, scan the complete two page form and email it  to:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> Race.Director at csrgweb.org.  

 

It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.  

 

Email  <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> Race.Director at CSRGweb.org if you have problems or additional questions.

 

Mailing Address:

 

CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.   

 

Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:  

 

CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.

 

New Members? We welcome drivers who believe in the spirit of vintage racing.  Curious?  Do you want to join CSRG or need more info? Email:  

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From jsukey at gmail.com  Tue May 26 10:57:33 2020
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 12:57:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
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Hi Dennis,
         I have a warmed up TR6 engine and gearbox in my street GT6.  The
extra low end grunt is so much fun!  The basic engine block is the same, so
mounting is a non issue.  The GT6 sump will need a little massaging with a
hammer to clear the longer crank throws of the 2.5L.  I've als heard that
aftermarket rods will reduce the need to modify the sump for clearance, but
can't verify first hand.

If you retain the TR6 intake manifold, you'll have bonnet clearance
issues.  A GT6+ or MK3 intake will bolt to the wide port TR6 head without
issue.  If you plan to rev it much, you will want to look into 1.75" carbs
for sure.

The stock gearbox might not like the extra torque, going to a TR6 gearbox
is highly recommended.  Not that hard to fit.  You'll need to fab up a rear
mounting bracket, bend the clutch arm to clear the frame, and have a custom
driveshaft made.

Jason Sukey

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:44 PM Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:

>
> Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?
> I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine.
>
> Will it fit?  Any modifications needed?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dennis Walje
>
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue May 26 11:31:21 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:31:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
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This announcement came from CSRG about how they are approaching trying to race in the near future.  It is worth reading.  In the forward not all the information was sent along.  If you want to read it go the CSRG website and take a look.  I think it is worth a few minutes to see how they are handling trying to get back to racing.

 

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Knight
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:45 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News

 

 

 

From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News

 

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CSRG's "Contact Patch" 

 

	

 


Greetings! 

 

	



 

David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12

 

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Nine Frequently Asked Questions 

 

1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.

 

2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No

 

3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.

 

4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.

 

5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.

 

6) Are spectators allowed?: No

 

7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.

 

8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled

 

9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg

 

We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every 

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful, 

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your 

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.

 

We hope everything comes together 

& we can hold a safe, fun event. 

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Helmets for 2020

 


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There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year. 

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept. 

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.

 

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Mentoring

 

Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

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2020 CSRG Race Schedule

 


Spring Races at Thunderhill 

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled


David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12


17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4


Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1

 

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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.

 

Driver Conduct

 

(A compilation of the most common infractions)

*	If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

*	If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

*	When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

*	Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

*	Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

*	The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook) 

*	If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

*	If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

*	If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately. 

*	Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

*	Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

Click here to see a larger, printable version:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvpQwy5bcqjzvDdm_TbXW0bIm8LO7rrBB4ql60zmdXtZ19XInNdMGP8VD2NUyEmj9sTaNcCO4m0-EiYMAMr3zFkpXhjFkjGJvR3xnChj1m9X11XZ5ayjWTE8BYWSykgZJxnbPpSYBEpaJcUlcCCyWuM4HF0ytX0ZtdzsxpzE9mb9xw942sjSygxpvbOieWanoQnDnaX-cThdx&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Driver Conduct 

 

If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.  

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Digital Links

 

There are a lot of CSRG related videos on YouTube, but did you know that CSRG also has a YouTube Channel? Click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avk_mYB1HIxZ1ARqqrFTGba-t8968Niepb6iolhDs4MCy5fodOZNrLVDbPoD2qAolSCwEq8ywSvV-WsxxcqK8y3Hz-7n66M1h9e3FgROKlvSgW38c4ltIy4vRbro0HeRbuaAPmpDzxC5GrnbXol1liXwXXTt8floam1zkszo-Xpfr4eGKKLyn1rs=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Videos

 

Did you know that CSRG has not only a club website ( <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuZmtnB7JWKjVSurggigPMpMED7Fwd0wXtWDwGt0ENNjwrgbgEBT8DWU3ic9pakSp_zdqRCWHhdWzsNbxAKXnIXamQu13dFKW96RB4oLxB_WIbswsVMxiOjXr3K2C5doFQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.csrgracing.org) but also:

 

David Love Vintage Races Site:  

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Charity Challenge Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrD7LPyYXVCidoAKFxpBuapiXrG03NfYM9aK9d3WURfXXt1Zj3PLCbJAcM9ZYLgHZOuJ0CDIDDDTMdbe7hoJJowVpUTioYItetpO_1dNUmA0JfnOO6CZCDWxMl-oMg3udw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CC

 

Crossflow Cup Site:  

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USRRC Group 4 Site:  

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John Morton Cup Site:  

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CSRG Facebook:  

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Race Group Tire Rules

 

Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups. 

 

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Click here to go to the HMP site:  

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Production Car Sub-Groups

 

Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set. 

 

However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set 

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.

 

The A, B & C Classes are:

 

'A'=prepped to 1962 rules 

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules 

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer) 

 

Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.

 

If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:

 


Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars 

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Scott Brown

British Cars

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

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For People Who Love Cars

 

Please support those who support 

the Classic Sports Racing Group

 

To go to the Hagerty site, click here:  

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Driving Bruce McLaren's M6

 


 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuLmBludazDgDdVV3NuzPqLLSheJHFE7htEavDRgCD8kLfjFvWahHaNMvC7oVLhuS2MZOGLwXiyVb3MVb0PD6MqCReHEuO0yLDEYNjM1qF55hd34TSmORrrGJLKZlJq3j-qq8M8XbYFekhyxEQM7Qpw=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Image removed by sender. Being Bruce: Driving Bruce McLaren's M6A

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Cars & Parts Classifieds

(Instructions for placing an ad follow the classifieds)

 

Cars for Sale

 

1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000

 

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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at  <mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net> tajlab at sbcglobal.net

 

EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10

 

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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com 

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee

 

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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000  

Buck Jones 831-917-5952 

 

1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior

 

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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus at Laguna $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or  <mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com> prtrenholme at gmail.com  

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Fantasy Junction

 

145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555

 

1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible

 

Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by 

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership 

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented 

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.

 

For more details & photos, please click on:  1968 GT500

 

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Parts/Trailers for Sale

 

2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price

 

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Multiple extras, including winch, canopy, heavy duty axles, cabinets, work table, ceiling vent, and other accessories. Purchased new 2013 for $30,800.  Low mileage and still under the 10 year factory warranty. Click here to see detailed invoice for all features:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFSHv0-2bUX4WuCcsp3eJ5MDOo8wpsQ_LhnIqQDNEq-7Z0js_og1hjuo0F1Vr2k5oTVAq7Bc47WyMSUOYOwVF3fpmj9MOOrVdcRgdt4znJIIp-YyqjLg9CPlRkADN-fKlxMP1tGCYbZepoL_b2En6GJkmqTJtLPkNEywRrRc6Y_93D4H7TLtC6n9pG4cpnZ4wCg6fkmIQYW&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Trailer Specs.. $10,000/OBO. Contact Mike Callaham at: <mailto:sushi43 at comcast.net> sushi43 at comcast.net

 

 

2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer

 

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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at:  <mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> jgrosseto at icloud.com Price. $10,000 offers considered

 

Formula Junior Engine

 

109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.

 

Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.

 

20 ft custom Alumalite trailer 

 

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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels

 

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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle. 

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> here to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

 

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Want to place an ad?

 

Here are the guidelines:

*	Ads are available only to CSRG members & are free of charge.
*	Ads will run for 4-6 CPs, depending upon volume.
*	Ads should be 50-60 words, excluding contact info. Include either an email address, home phone or cell phone number.
*	At the very least include a first name.
*	Include a link to a more detailed description, if possible.
*	Include an asking price.
*	Include a photo.

Email your ad to  <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com. 

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Contacts & Memberships

 

 CSRG Board


President

Locke de Bretteville

 <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com


Vice President

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Treasurer

Steve Torp

 <mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org> treasurer at csrgweb.org


Secretary

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com


Director

Ed Lamantia

 <mailto:piclhead at msn.com> piclhead at msn.com


Director

Scott Brown

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Director

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

CSRG Race Personnel


Race Director

Geoff Pitts

 <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org


Registrar

Petey Thorton

 <mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org> registrar at csrgweb.org


Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

 <mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com> h.boverhuis at gmail.com

510.541.0883

	
Car Eligibility

	


Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com


Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com

 

Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at    <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> csrg.motorsportreg.com. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org

 

 

Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at   <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org or Petey Thornton at  <mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org> Registrar at csrgweb.org

 


To the land we love and the love we land,

 

Mort Canard

 

	

 


Miscellaneous Information

 

Membership Renewals: If you can't remember whether you renewed for this season, you can check your Profile at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG MotorsportsReg or ask the Race Director.

Tech inspection sheets  

 

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Event registration  

 

Click here to be directed to  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG.MotorsportReg for online registration.  Be sure to bookmark or save it as a favorite for quick access in the future. 

 

Despite the use of on-line membership applications & entries by the vast majority of our membership, there are still a few, very few, holdouts who insist on paper entries. For those individuals mail-in forms can be obtained by clicking on the "Event Schedule" button on our home page at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avl0gq4AJgw3zvkR3y99_fSYxJq3-r5_GAiJ0ZK3Vkk3CJmgNJOo8br5jsI-eoibRnxF-01jgZ7MKVH4hQLyt_hd7DphWM1jvMC9oixkBlEl0lgG5FI7_eP0=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.CSRGracing.org or by clicking on:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avo0DRTr83T_V7pViffZXJIxpLc3tcMCDNKP7suG4roqo8B2EZa4CqAoAyVE7rC0hzMy6YApIRFFqfM5C4WAdnVDmZ4ov5UF6oI6PRMOUZbW8L7uJ-rqZPkrtJ7lyRHJ7tGvD1IX7VR3kQapVIBW8JfTRltRQ3GND8g==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> EventSchedule. Note: Mail-in entry forms are specific for each event and will usually appear on the site 6 to 8 weeks before an event. 

CSRG Medical Form

 

Click on  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjCnAskhoJuwmBUUL25iJB0SxpbsMahhMXqNZ1GELd9GaK_v4HiYKqcPf_ZHSgrKGSIP6QtvDdhTfTc0xw9XOLY83sTubyhdz5s282RVGmORBKex9TzJNNePmF4VGbEoWgeV6use5WESR1y527Sn3KtMMrml0SpSd2arI8VaS0VuviGElnA1hDDY5joUxowlNM&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Med Form to download a copy of the form.  You do not need to send in the original Medical Form with the "wet" signature to CSRG.  You can now keep your original and either mail a clear  photocopy or, better yet, scan the complete two page form and email it  to:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> Race.Director at csrgweb.org.  

 

It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.  

 

Email  <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> Race.Director at CSRGweb.org if you have problems or additional questions.

 

Mailing Address:

 

CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.   

 

Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:  

 

CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.

 

New Members? We welcome drivers who believe in the spirit of vintage racing.  Curious?  Do you want to join CSRG or need more info? Email:  

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From britracer89 at yahoo.com  Tue May 26 12:07:15 2020
From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 18:07:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
In-Reply-To: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
References: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
Message-ID: <1050180216.5081491.1590516435447@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Dennis,Although I run the 2.0L in my spitsix race car the TR6 is the same block and will fit using GT6 mounts. As already stated use the GT6 sump with some mild modification.? I also use the TR6 gearbox with a simple rear gearbox bracket to mount the stock TR6 mount. Driveshaft is a sliding spline yoke MGB shaft with GT6 flanges. The TR6 gearbox flange is simply re-drilled to accept the GT6 flange. Due to the u-joint size I do not recommend dumping the clutch to do burnouts.
Good luck!Brian Dennis

    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 12:52:20 PM EDT, Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:  
 
 
Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?? I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?? Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 26 13:53:27 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 19:53:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
In-Reply-To: <001f01d63383$79346ea0$6b9d4be0$@klaenv.com>
References: <1134245857481.1102166611696.1951435901.0.1501204JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com>
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Ken, maybe its my computer but I don't see anything but individual questions, no info. I went to the CSRG website and don't see anything there? Help. ?

Marty

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Kenneth Knight <kknight at klaenv.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:31 PM
To: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News


This announcement came from CSRG about how they are approaching trying to race in the near future.  It is worth reading.  In the forward not all the information was sent along.  If you want to read it go the CSRG website and take a look.  I think it is worth a few minutes to see how they are handling trying to get back to racing.



From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Knight
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:45 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News







From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News







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CSRG's "Contact Patch"





Greetings!





David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12



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Nine Frequently Asked Questions



1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.



2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No



3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.



4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.



5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.



6) Are spectators allowed?: No



7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.



8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled



9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg



We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful,

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.



We hope everything comes together

& we can hold a safe, fun event.

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Helmets for 2020



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There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year.

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept.

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.



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Mentoring



Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.



Thank you in advance!



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2020 CSRG Race Schedule



Spring Races at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled

David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12

17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4

Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1



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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.



Driver Conduct



(A compilation of the most common infractions)

  *   If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

  *   If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

  *   When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

  *   Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

  *   Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

  *   The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook)

  *   If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

  *   If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

  *   If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately.

  *   Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

  *   Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

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If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.

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Digital Links



There are a lot of CSRG related videos on YouTube, but did you know that CSRG also has a YouTube Channel? Click here: CSRG Videos<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avk_mYB1HIxZ1ARqqrFTGba-t8968Niepb6iolhDs4MCy5fodOZNrLVDbPoD2qAolSCwEq8ywSvV-WsxxcqK8y3Hz-7n66M1h9e3FgROKlvSgW38c4ltIy4vRbro0HeRbuaAPmpDzxC5GrnbXol1liXwXXTt8floam1zkszo-Xpfr4eGKKLyn1rs%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579655355&sdata=lggf6cwK8lUEcT6jGdG4C8mdYA2a66gPka2cVUYRedA%3D&reserved=0>



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David Love Vintage Races Site:

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Charity Challenge Site:

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Crossflow Cup Site:

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USRRC Group 4 Site:

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John Morton Cup Site:

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CSRG Facebook:

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Race Group Tire Rules



Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups.



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Click here to go to the HMP site:

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Production Car Sub-Groups



Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set.



However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.



The A, B & C Classes are:



'A'=prepped to 1962 rules

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer)



Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.



If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:



Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Scott Brown

British Cars

scott at scottbrowndesign.com<mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com>

Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>



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For People Who Love Cars



Please support those who support

the Classic Sports Racing Group



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Driving Bruce McLaren's M6



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Cars & Parts Classifieds

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Cars for Sale



1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000



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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here: Lotus<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579705326&sdata=4Y2SS8pEnSLBIzWAIr5A7VDF7ALz4Mf%2FAz7J31tdeT4%3D&reserved=0>. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at tajlab at sbcglobal.net<mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net>



EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10



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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel rfeds at bendcable.com<mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com>

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603



1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee



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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000

Buck Jones 831-917-5952



1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or prichins at jps.net<mailto:prichins at jps.net>



1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior



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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video: Lotus at Laguna<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579705326&sdata=Chi4u4Xy%2BoL%2BNc%2BVodGSGzCX9F%2FJaMbKE6qMBZz%2BBSs%3D&reserved=0> $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or prtrenholme at gmail.com<mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com>

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Fantasy Junction



145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555



1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible



Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.



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Parts/Trailers for Sale



2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price



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Multiple extras, including winch, canopy, heavy duty axles, cabinets, work table, ceiling vent, and other accessories. Purchased new 2013 for $30,800.  Low mileage and still under the 10 year factory warranty. Click here to see detailed invoice for all features: Trailer Specs.<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFSHv0-2bUX4WuCcsp3eJ5MDOo8wpsQ_LhnIqQDNEq-7Z0js_og1hjuo0F1Vr2k5oTVAq7Bc47WyMSUOYOwVF3fpmj9MOOrVdcRgdt4znJIIp-YyqjLg9CPlRkADN-fKlxMP1tGCYbZepoL_b2En6GJkmqTJtLPkNEywRrRc6Y_93D4H7TLtC6n9pG4cpnZ4wCg6fkmIQYW%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579715323&sdata=f7BIf1N3NWBCZ%2FakJA0rf3tjccHnRDtQ0%2FsKKyQNjbs%3D&reserved=0>. $10,000/OBO. Contact Mike Callaham at:sushi43 at comcast.net<mailto:sushi43 at comcast.net>





2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer



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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at: jgrosseto at icloud.com<mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> Price. $10,000 offers considered



Formula Junior Engine



109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.



Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.



20 ft custom Alumalite trailer



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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel rfeds at bendcable.com<mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com>

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603



Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels



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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle.

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click here<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579725317&sdata=WdrJpIuV%2FNRlgK3AWmAz4mJKu4UrxKJq2ukY7Uzj2vs%3D&reserved=0> to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or prichins at jps.net<mailto:prichins at jps.net>





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Contacts & Memberships



 CSRG Board

President

Locke de Bretteville

csrglocke at gmail.com<mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com>

Vice President

Jon Norman

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Treasurer

Steve Torp

treasurer at csrgweb.org<mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org>

Secretary

Ethan Shippert

eshippert55 at gmail.com<mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com>

Director

Ed Lamantia

piclhead at msn.com<mailto:piclhead at msn.com>

Director

Scott Brown

scott at scottbrowndesign.com<mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com>

Director

Dan Wardman

d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>



CSRG Race Personnel

Race Director

Geoff Pitts

race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org>

Registrar

Petey Thorton

registrar at csrgweb.org<mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org>

Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

h.boverhuis at gmail.com<mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com>

510.541.0883

Car Eligibility

Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

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d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>

Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

eshippert55 at gmail.com<mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com>



Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at   csrg.motorsportreg.com<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579725317&sdata=HX%2FPdWt2g8sZVb455IDwhx8pJFM%2BSNsvFzxIw0HNH6M%3D&reserved=0>. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him: race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org>





Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at  race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> or Petey Thornton at Registrar at csrgweb.org<mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org>



To the land we love and the love we land,



Mort Canard





Miscellaneous Information



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Tech inspection sheets



You can get a head start on your Tech Inspection tasks by downloading the Pre-Tech Inspection Forms.  These forms are not meant to replace the sheets you will receive by e-mail with your information packet but are provided as information and as a work sheet so you may inspect and gather all the data necessary to complete the official form.  Click TechWorksheet<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjlDDJh3d_lQRWDjZbSrXEsRVdnh8vhkQz4ouKaBxaB8CMqTNh6a-3kOWTZ64ktLGiGx0UMBfLnE6y8SPx_3FpfJqgbTlE9lCpX9QY8SqatsgLmR-JfynWOpBK1uoMetxGRemjsGTarh2TC2AEXi0cLUPU1mGvV6Xn70yLOtg5IgybtFi6hoe_XxcmsdHX7-VuP6DJSUPKgzY%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579735309&sdata=R4FvPHs%2FKAvOXPmF0HSub83ZYg%2FYObveasn36bbEQN8%3D&reserved=0> to print your copy of the worksheet.

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It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.



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Mailing Address:



CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.



Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:



CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.



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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 26 14:02:51 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 15:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514238F6BAD6B4D3E7461EBBAB00@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1134245857481.1102166611696.1951435901.0.1501204JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com>
 <000901d6337d$0b112590$213370b0$@klaenv.com>
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Message-ID: <77ac2692-868d-1309-1d24-30d8ea26b6d5@tonydrews.com>

The text ended up black on black.? I find if I highlight the text in the 
e-mail I can read it.

- Tony Drews

On 5/26/2020 2:53 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>
> *To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.*
>
> *_2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?:_**No*
>
> *_3) What procedural changes will there be?:_**Our goal is to have the 
> three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & 
> Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we 
> will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are 
> considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John 
> Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.*
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From britcars at bellsouth.net  Tue May 26 17:48:12 2020
From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 23:48:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
In-Reply-To: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
References: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
Message-ID: <386019367.112062.1590536892387@mail.yahoo.com>

 I am finishing a GT6 running gear into a 1964 Herald. Not quite a bolt in but not far from it.
Barry Rosenberg
    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 12:45:27 PM EDT, Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:  
 
 
Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?? I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?? Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 04:35:47 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:35:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420A594B7F69F7DF385B12DE1B10@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....

"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

[Image]



Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Wed May 27 05:29:26 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 07:29:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3A for sale in Dallas TX
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcGfbdV60OL3dDs21dzUMU=ztWgJmR24mFxLnNUXOTzTtA@mail.gmail.com>

A friend lives in New England and is interested in buying this car and
asked if someone on our site could take a personal look and provide some
feedback before he makes an offer.   Car is located in Dallas, TX and a
private sale.  He is willing to pay for this service if anyone has the time
and knowledge.


https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/triumph/tr3a/2398208.html

Thanks

John Styduhar
724-699-8594
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 07:06:30 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:06:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I recall it was "The Front Straight Blues", but what do I know.

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk

This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....

"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

[Image]



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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 08:11:21 2020
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:11:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Lol I thought it was the Porsche Blues


Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 8:14 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:

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I recall it was ?The Front Straight Blues?, but what do I know.
 
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Scott (B.)
 
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
 
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This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
 
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"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
 
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From dennis at motorsportranch.com  Wed May 27 08:49:01 2020
From: dennis at motorsportranch.com (Dennis)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 09:49:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 drive train into GT6
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Thanks all for the great info. Sounds like best option is to stick with GT6 motor and upgrade trans and rear suspension. 

Dennis Walje

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed May 27 08:51:26 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 09:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFJldHVybiB0byBNaWQtT2hpb+KAnS4gICAgVGhl?=
 =?utf-8?q?_Kastner_Cup_Poster_for_2020=2E?=
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FOT:   No surprise, we are getting requests for the event poster.

THE POSTERS ARE NOW AVAILABLE FOR DISTRIBUTION.

If you are an entrant or contributed to the Kastner Cup, they are GRATIS.

If you require a poster to be mailed, they are $12.50 by PAYPAL or Check.

They will be available at the track for a fee.

This Poster, by CLARK LINCOLN, is a Historical Grid of Kas? Cars, or cars he had associations with. This poster is the last in a series since 2008 and is very collectible.

The offer goes first to the FOT, and then to the Triumph Community at large. I will try my best to get the mailed tubes out before the Cup.

Best Regards,
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PAYPAL: n197tr4 at cs.com
Joe Alexander
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 09:55:18 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Awww.? Good memories, good times.

- Tony Drews

On 5/27/2020 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:
>
> I recall it was ?The Front Straight Blues?, but what do I know.
>
> Scott (B.)
>
> *From:*Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Barr, Scott
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
> *To:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>
> This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
>
> "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, 
> and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk 
> Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
>
> Image
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From kenandtweety at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 10:20:33 2020
From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 16:20:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 In 2001 I was fortunate enough to get a copy of Jack's racing songs. They rode with me to my racing trips until I no longer had a cassette player in my tow vehicle. What a great group of guys who added to the weekend fun. It is always surprising to learn of someone's talent. You can't see the harmonica in the group photo that John was playing when not singing also. After Bill's untimely death I don't believe this happened anymore.

Ken Suhre     On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 05:44:13 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 12:19:19 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 18:19:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From emanteno at comcast.net  Wed May 27 12:33:22 2020
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:33:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the
> great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a
> Terabyte of storage.
>
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one
of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of
copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 12:47:28 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 18:47:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)

Scott (B.)

From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk



On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net<mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.

Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.

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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 13:14:58 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
>  
> Scott (B.)
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
>  
> Irv Korey
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 13:14:58 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
>  
> Scott (B.)
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
>  
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 14:18:57 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 15:18:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or 
download to your favorite device.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1

Regards, Tony Drews

On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund 
> or whatever.
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.? And 
>> I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that 
>> makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>>
>> *From:*Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
>> *To:* Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider 
>> <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to
>>     record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in
>>     our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>>
>> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have 
>> one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a 
>> couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost.
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Wed May 27 14:28:24 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 20:28:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Wednesday, May 27, 2020,?Gary Schneider?<garygret at sbcglobal.net>?wrote:

 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From steve at artwithcars.com  Wed May 27 14:36:45 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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These songs are CLASSIC!!!!!

~Steve Belfer

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice.  Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here).  And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
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> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> Gary
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
> 
> "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
> 
> <FB_IMG_1590575426058.jpg>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Wed May 27 14:44:55 2020
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 20:44:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Beady Eye has two to add, if I can find them.? They are on a cassette somewhere.? One "Cover of Victory Lane" is a take off on Cover of Rolling Stone.? And the other is a take off on the old Elvis tune called "You don't have to let me pass you, just let me catch up."? I'll have to look for them.
Bill Dentinger

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These songs are CLASSIC!!!!!
~Steve Belfer

On May 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com> wrote:
A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
Bill Dentinger

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 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 14:53:34 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 15:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Dad always felt bad that they didn't think to invite W.S. Thompson to 
the recording session in Bill Dalton's studio.? Kinda eerie listening to 
them now, but bring back great memories (and a tear to my eye).

- Tony

On 5/27/2020 3:28 PM, Bill Dentinger wrote:
> A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a 
> great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And 
> Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record
>     the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our
>     pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>     Gary
>
>
>     On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott
>     <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>
>
>     This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
>
>     "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John
>     Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The
>     Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
>
>     Image
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed May 27 15:38:33 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:38:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wtd: TR 3 RR
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Help !! Anyone have a usable RR body corner they want to sell ? 

Yes , I can make the patch panels ... just seeing what?s available:-) 

Cheers
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 21:43:03 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 03:43:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 Tony,You da Man! If I close my eyes I can still see them playing.Thanks a ton! Hope to see you next month.Gary

    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:22:40 PM CDT, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:  
 
  
Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
 
 
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1 
 
 
Regards, Tony Drews
 
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 Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever. Gary
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
 
 
  
 ? 
 
I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.? And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
 
 ?
 
Scott (B.)
 
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 ?
   
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On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  
    
Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
    
 ?
 
  
Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost. 
   
 ?
   
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Wed May 27 22:32:19 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 00:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I haven?t really followed this tread but in the interest of Triumph songs  here is a song my son and i wrote traveling to a national meeting,,,,,, great time ,,,,,,,,, 


> On May 27, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Tony,
> You da Man! If I close my eyes I can still see them playing.
> Thanks a ton! Hope to see you next month.
> Gary
> 
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:22:40 PM CDT, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1 <https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1> 
> Regards, Tony Drews
> On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> 
> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
> Gary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> <mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
> 
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
> 
>  
> Scott (B.)
> 
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> <mailto:emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
> 
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> 
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> 
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
> 
>  
> Irv Korey
> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed May 27 22:36:53 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Oh my, oh my.  Thank you very much for sharing these songs, Tony.  They are absolutely wonderful.  What a pleasure to hear them.  Who wrote the lyrics?  Real treasures.  Really nice and smooth guitar too.  Hoagy Carmichael wrote Georgia, a great modern/classic.  This arrangement, with appropriate lyrics is very enjoyable.  Again, thanks for sharing these.  I will indeed download them and include them in my shuffled music play list.  
When I was a kid attending Catholic school near Cleveland, Ohio, even the nuns knew of Hoagy Carmichael, but I didn't at the time.  They always mentioned him when I was introduced to them. 
I wish I had become involved in racing Triumphs a few years earlier. I would have so enjoyed seeing and hearing these guys play during a race weekend.  I'm sure that knowing Jack just a little would have been really sweet too.
"Porsches aren't allowed in heaven".
Dave Hogye


> On May 27, 2020 at 1:18 PM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
> 
>     https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1
> 
>     Regards, Tony Drews
> 
>     On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> 
>         > > Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
> >         Gary
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > 
> >             > > > On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             Scott (B.)
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> mailto:emanteno at comcast.net
> > >             Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> > >             To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net
> > >             Cc: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net ; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> > >             Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> > > > 
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >             Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             Irv Korey
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> > 
> >         _______________________________________________
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 22:51:47 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 23:51:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
In-Reply-To: <1315924170.77940.1590640613768@connect.xfinity.com>
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Jack came up with the lyrics.? They were somewhat honed at the track 
parties organized by William Severin Thompson the 3rd.? I miss those 
Thicko parties.? Eventually Bill Dalton invited Jack to come up to his 
place and record them in his studio.? All of the instruments in the 
songs are Bill Dalton.? I was surprised at how good a musicians my 
fellow racers are.? The Road America Blues lyrics immortalizes several 
of the group that hung out at those parties.

Regards, Tony

On 5/27/2020 11:36 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote:
> Oh my, oh my.? Thank you very much for sharing these songs, Tony.? 
> They are absolutely wonderful.? What a pleasure to hear them.? Who 
> wrote the lyrics?? Real treasures.? Really nice and smooth guitar too. 
> Hoagy Carmichael wrote Georgia, a great modern/classic.? This 
> arrangement, with appropriate lyrics is very enjoyable.? Again, thanks 
> for sharing these.? I will indeed download them and include them in my 
> shuffled music play list.
> When I was a kid attending Catholic school near Cleveland, Ohio, even 
> the nuns knew of Hoagy Carmichael, but I didn't at the time.? They 
> always mentioned him when I was introduced to them.
> I wish I had become involved in racing Triumphs a few years earlier. I 
> would have so enjoyed seeing and hearing these guys play during a race 
> weekend.? I'm sure that knowing Jack just a little would have been 
> really sweet too.
> "Porsches aren't allowed in heaven".
> Dave Hogye
>
>> On May 27, 2020 at 1:18 PM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or 
>> download to your favorite device.
>>
>> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1
>>
>> Regards, Tony Drews
>>
>> On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>>> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer 
>>> fund or whatever.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> 
>>>> <mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced. And 
>>>> I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that 
>>>> makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
>>>>
>>>> Scott (B.)
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> <mailto:emanteno at comcast.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
>>>> *To:* Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> 
>>>> <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>; Barr, Scott 
>>>> <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> <mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider 
>>>> <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to
>>>>     record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in
>>>>     our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>>>>
>>>> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I 
>>>> have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony 
>>>> has a couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost.
>>>>
>>>> Irv Korey
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 29 10:06:01 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 16:06:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 5/29
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514623341F5D4A5FD49C8F4BA8F0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Good morning all. I'm looking for some help in this planning stuff. I'm trying to figure out paddock space and other things for the race weekend. With all the Covid-19 stuff going on I really don't have a handle on how many people are planning on showing up. I am asking that if you have registered for the race with SVRA and you are not planning on attending could you please shoot me an email direct at trmarty at hotmail.com and let me know? If you have already notified me no need to do it again. I don't want to turn this into an on line discussion about all the reasons for or against, just drop me a line so I can accommodate those that are coming in the best possible way.   I am still hoping to be able to give some meaningful updates in the next couple of weeks but so far the track has refused to comment to me. SVRA sent out that well thought out reply a week or so ago that I forwarded to you and I expect some additional details from them shortly.

Thanks,

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From dale.oesterle at gmail.com  Sat May 30 09:40:13 2020
From: dale.oesterle at gmail.com (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 11:40:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ohio
Message-ID: <EA8A2E03-1ADF-4F64-BE41-02BFFB6355E3@gmail.com>

The state yesterday extended the no-gathering over 10 order with a few narrow exceptions that do not seem to include an amateur race meeting.  

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri May  1 04:35:44 2020
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 06:35:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bb37bfad7d997607ddd97bb86ac450c@tr4racer.com>

FWIW, the Moldex crank I bought back back in the early 2000's has 
counterweights that foul the webbing in the block as well. I talked to 
Ken Gilanders about it, he said that is what you want, use an angle 
grinder to make notches in the block for clearance. I think you need to 
grind two, maybe three webs.

It is much easier if you remember to do that before you take the block 
to the machine shop and get it cleaned!

On 2020-04-30 18:29, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote:
> I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from
> Joe Flowers in June 2017.  I received it in September 2017.  At my
> next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the
> prepared engine block.  It would not completely rotate as the
> counterweight hit the engine block.  The counterweights had not been
> completely machined.  I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone
> call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.  In about 2-1/2 weeks I
> received the crank back.  I finished the engine rebuild, took the
> engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.
> Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely
> tapped.  The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke
> a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again
> called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to
> Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks.
> Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no
> problems.
> 
> I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in
> shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.
> Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the
> shipping costs.  Twice I was told a check had been sent.  I have not
> received the $130 as of this date.
> 
> This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a
> billet crankshaft from Moldex.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May  1 04:54:05 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 10:54:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms  - Rick Cline Record
In-Reply-To: <728963C3-4BCB-4605-A8E5-5ABF257457F3@wi.rr.com>
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Yes, it was.  And that 1.7 miles didn't include what is now the slowest corner on the track - 3A (or 3D if you prefer).  Blackhawk is also not 1.95 miles these days, as advertised.  It's more like 1.75.  But 3A really slows things down, which was the intent.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233


________________________________
From: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020, 6:43 PM
To: Robert M. Lang
Cc: Fot; Barr, Scott
Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms - Rick Cline Record

FoT,

Note the track length of 1.70 miles. This was before they added 3A and expanded the track to 1.950 miles.

Allen Washatko
TR6 - #6



> On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> <FB_IMG_1588202837544.jpg>


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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri May  1 04:54:36 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 06:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] J Fray Badges
Message-ID: <EB2C110E-7B25-4B35-BD99-9E91314DC1FD@columbus.rr.com>

Joseph Fray LTD made badges for the British cars amoung others.  Somewhere along the line a magazine or club Newsletter did an article on this company that described their Manufacturing process. I?m sure I saved it but may have been digital and lost on an old computer. Would like to find again if anyone can help 

Tom

From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May  1 05:47:36 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 07:47:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
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References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO0FjVYs8b15de-r5Xbp7CxeYAbgkJa2ovTHBT_9unCSfrgu8w@mail.gmail.com>

I went with a Moldex "ghost main" style crank last year and had to do a
small bit of block relief as well. It wasn't unexpected since this style
crank doesn't have the same profile as a stock crankshaft. I was working
with a "new" block anyway so I had the machine shop do a test fitting
before full prep and it really wasn't a big issue.

mike h

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 6:36 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> FWIW, the Moldex crank I bought back back in the early 2000's has
> counterweights that foul the webbing in the block as well. I talked to
> Ken Gilanders about it, he said that is what you want, use an angle
> grinder to make notches in the block for clearance. I think you need to
> grind two, maybe three webs.
>
> It is much easier if you remember to do that before you take the block
> to the machine shop and get it cleaned!
>
> On 2020-04-30 18:29, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote:
> > I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from
> > Joe Flowers in June 2017.  I received it in September 2017.  At my
> > next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the
> > prepared engine block.  It would not completely rotate as the
> > counterweight hit the engine block.  The counterweights had not been
> > completely machined.  I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone
> > call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.  In about 2-1/2 weeks I
> > received the crank back.  I finished the engine rebuild, took the
> > engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.
> > Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely
> > tapped.  The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke
> > a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again
> > called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to
> > Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks.
> > Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no
> > problems.
> >
> > I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in
> > shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.
> > Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the
> > shipping costs.  Twice I was told a check had been sent.  I have not
> > received the $130 as of this date.
> >
> > This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a
> > billet crankshaft from Moldex.
> _______________________________________________
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May  1 06:18:21 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 08:18:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS rear axles and converted Corvair rear hubs
Message-ID: <63B38A97A5A7446386CE3E7DBD8431BA@VlackTK121647>

I have a set of upgraded Goodparts iRS rear axles (U-Joint style) assembled to modified Corvair hubs made by Marty Sukey that I don?t need any longer. I?d like them to go to someone who might need them. They are in excellent condition.

I replaced them on my 4A when I converted to the R-200 diff and Goodparts CV axles. I also have a pair of modified 4A trailing arms (they are different than TR6 trailing arms, not sure what 250?s used) for these axles with Keensert  inserts installed for the 6 hub mounting studs.

Make me an offer if interested. Will consider selling axles and hubs separately.

Note, if interested for a TR6 you must modify your trailing arms for U-joint clearance. The 4A trailing arms have a different bump stop arrangement and will not work on a TR6. 

Regards,

JVV
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May  1 08:38:37 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 07:38:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
Message-ID: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>

On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella's name on it
which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.  

 

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small
businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll
costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when
it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and
straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.
It is a waste of money to have these guys 'help' you.

 

Second, I don't mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a
partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as
they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing
us, I don't mean hiding the 'opt out' button in the fine print where it is
easy to miss.

 

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is
the issue.  A bit sad I think.

 

Ken

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri May  1 12:01:22 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:01:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
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References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499811661.421660517.1588356082892.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

When this happens, you cannot have confidence in the part anymore. Who knows what other flaws may be present. Luckily you have raced it without a problem. 
Marcel. 


Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19 
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft 



I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017. I received it in September 2017. At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block. It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block. The counterweights had not been completely machined. I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem. In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back. I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on. Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped. The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. 



I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice. Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs. Twice I was told a check had been sent. I have not received the $130 as of this date. 



This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. 



Tim Murphy 

1961 Triumph TR4 #317 



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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May  1 14:32:54 2020
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:32:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
In-Reply-To: <993989056.354596.1588358628439@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>
 <993989056.354596.1588358628439@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14061827.398419.1588365174274@mail.yahoo.com>

 Ken
Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.

Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver. ?Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.

?

In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual ?loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding. ?

?

We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast. ?You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.

?

Regards,

?

Tony

?

Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.

?

Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX? 76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

tony at svra.com



    On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:  
 
  Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.
   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDTSubject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
 
On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.? 

 ?

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.? My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.? Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your? payroll the application is a snap.? It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.

 ?

Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.? By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.

 ?

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.? A bit sad I think.

 ?

Ken
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From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com  Fri May  1 14:34:59 2020
From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:34:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
In-Reply-To: <14061827.398419.1588365174274@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>
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Well written Tony.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2020, at 1:33 PM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Ken

Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.


Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.



In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.



We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.



Regards,



Tony



Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.



Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX  76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

tony at svra.com<mailto:tony at svra.com>

[Inline image 1]

On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:


Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements


On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.



First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.



Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.



Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.



Ken

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May  1 15:04:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:04:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <499811661.421660517.1588356082892.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
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 I was going to stay out of this Moldex thread but I guess I'm not the only one who has had problems.First, it's not uncommon to have to relieve areas in the block for counterweight clearance, that isn't necessarily the fault of the manufacturer.
 Now what is their fault, considering that Moldex was #1 in my experience, not too many years ago, I ordered 3 TR-3/4 cranks, and gave them 2 numbers for journal size, rods & mains, no guessing on journal size +/-.4-5 months AFTER the scheduled delivery date I got them.BE journal size was good, the mains were fat by .0009, damned near a full thou!So much for oil clearance...No machine shop wants to touch a job that sensitive so they had to go back to Moldex.When I finally got them back, then I discovered the problem on 2 of them with the flywheel bolt holes not being indexed properly and several poorly tapped holes.
We also had one fail once when very badly over-revved, but I noticed something peculiar in the failed section and sent it back to them for analysis, curiosity more than anything, never heard a word back...FWIWGlen
 
-----Original Message-----
From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: timmmurphh <timmmurphh at gmail.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 1, 2020 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

#yiv0541564891 #yiv0541564891 p.yiv0541564891MsoNormal, #yiv0541564891 li.yiv0541564891MsoNormal, #yiv0541564891 div.yiv0541564891MsoNormal {margin-top:0.0in;margin-right:0.0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:0.0in;line-height:106.0%;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;}#yiv0541564891 span.yiv0541564891EmailStyle17 {font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv0541564891 *.yiv0541564891MsoChpDefault {font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;}#yiv0541564891 div.yiv0541564891WordSection1 {}#yiv0541564891 When this happens, you cannot have confidence in the part anymore. Who knows what other flaws? may be present. Luckily you have raced it without a problem.Marcel.
Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems.?I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date.?This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex.?Tim Murphy1961 Triumph TR4 #317?
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May  1 15:04:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:04:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <499811661.421660517.1588356082892.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
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 I was going to stay out of this Moldex thread but I guess I'm not the only one who has had problems.First, it's not uncommon to have to relieve areas in the block for counterweight clearance, that isn't necessarily the fault of the manufacturer.
 Now what is their fault, considering that Moldex was #1 in my experience, not too many years ago, I ordered 3 TR-3/4 cranks, and gave them 2 numbers for journal size, rods & mains, no guessing on journal size +/-.4-5 months AFTER the scheduled delivery date I got them.BE journal size was good, the mains were fat by .0009, damned near a full thou!So much for oil clearance...No machine shop wants to touch a job that sensitive so they had to go back to Moldex.When I finally got them back, then I discovered the problem on 2 of them with the flywheel bolt holes not being indexed properly and several poorly tapped holes.
We also had one fail once when very badly over-revved, but I noticed something peculiar in the failed section and sent it back to them for analysis, curiosity more than anything, never heard a word back...FWIWGlen
 
-----Original Message-----
From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: timmmurphh <timmmurphh at gmail.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 1, 2020 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

#yiv0541564891 #yiv0541564891 p.yiv0541564891MsoNormal, #yiv0541564891 li.yiv0541564891MsoNormal, #yiv0541564891 div.yiv0541564891MsoNormal {margin-top:0.0in;margin-right:0.0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:0.0in;line-height:106.0%;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;}#yiv0541564891 span.yiv0541564891EmailStyle17 {font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv0541564891 *.yiv0541564891MsoChpDefault {font-family:Calibri , sans-serif;}#yiv0541564891 div.yiv0541564891WordSection1 {}#yiv0541564891 When this happens, you cannot have confidence in the part anymore. Who knows what other flaws? may be present. Luckily you have raced it without a problem.Marcel.
Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems.?I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date.?This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex.?Tim Murphy1961 Triumph TR4 #317?
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 15:50:06 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
In-Reply-To: <14061827.398419.1588365174274@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>
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Tony,

Please don't take me off any mailing lists for saying this,  For a lot of
folks vintage racing has been a non-profit, club activity for a very long
time. The thought of doing things differently and following a well run
business model that would include something like this can run counter to
some guys vintage club DNA.  Through the wrong filter, something with
honorable intentions like this offer can be seen as wrong-minded. On a bad
day the sun doesn't ever shine.

To get the right filter we have to consciously change the lens.  In our
pre-covid world tracks were already struggling with generating enough
revenue to make business sense. Now the future is even more scary.   Any
track, or any organization that wants to be in the business of promoting
events has a huge challenge in front of them post pandemic. They have to
try new and different things, they have to take care of their people, and
find a way to do that while paying all the bills. The SVRA has been doing
that since you took over. I don't agree with everything the SVRA does
that's okay.

Can I recruit some backers for the Woodstock 6 social distancing festival?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:33 PM Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Ken
>
> Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about
> SVRA on FOT.
>
> Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup
> driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must
> admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off
> base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this
> directly to me if you had questions.
>
>
>
> In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP
> applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and
> several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans
> processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner
> workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process
> small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook
> Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook
> Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help
> people get their much needed funding.
>
>
>
> We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like
> the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness
> for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special
> membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by
> our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change
> my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure
> you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing
> nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our
> customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my
> name is spelled Parella.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.
>
>
>
> *Tony Parella*
>
> *CEO/SVRA*
>
> *Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company*
>
> *1312 Regency Court*
>
> *Southlake, TX  76092*
>
> *214-475-8088 ? Cell*
>
> *tony at svra.com* <tony at svra.com>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing
> us again.
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
> *Subject:* [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
>
> On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it
> which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.
>
>
>
> First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help
> small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover
> payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this
> application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.
> Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the
> application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help?
> you.
>
>
>
> Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a
> partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as
> they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing
> us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is
> easy to miss.
>
>
>
> Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money
> is the issue.  A bit sad I think.
>
>
>
> Ken
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May  2 06:43:17 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 14:43:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
Message-ID: <1522169191.424885287.1588423397604.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sat May  2 07:08:37 2020
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 13:08:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
Message-ID: <CY4PR16MB1512682C9FFF1094C45A095390A80@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!

Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more.

it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!

I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!

I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.

Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th.

This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates?

my finger's on the trigger.

Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)



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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat May  2 09:42:25 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 10:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Any lightweight flywheels for a Spit 1300?

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided
> it would be a better idea to race a Healey!
>
> Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their
> way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings
> to hook me up with more.
>
> it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack
> of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front
> hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An
> aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!
>
> I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is
> threatened unless you step up!
>
> I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it
> all down 10 years ago.
>
> Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability
> to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in
> Salt lake about July 15th.
>
> This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure
> plates?
>
> my finger's on the trigger.
>
> Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who
> had a use for it)
>
>
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sat May  2 09:59:30 2020
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 15:59:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Shawn I have an aluminum one set up for  7.25" clutch. Has like 20 LAPD on it. It is NOT a Fidanza brand. The steel ring gear is thru bolted not sealed with a bolt 1/2 in the aluminum and the other 1/2 in the ring gear. Custom done correctly so it won't separate down the road.  I  have gone to a Tilton hydraulic slave/release bearing set up. All my stuff has to be between 0.175 -0.250 between the clutch fingers and the release bearing. Ive gone with steel flywheels so all the engines can just bolt the tranny on and not have to readjust the spacing.  So now I  have this really nice flywheel and won't be using it. You or someone needs it.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/2/20 10:46 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Henry A. Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
Cc: fot <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?

Any lightweight flywheels for a Spit 1300?

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!

Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more.

it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!

I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!

I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.

Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th.

This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates?

my finger's on the trigger.

Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)



Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat May  2 10:07:38 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 10:07:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Shawn, which 1300?? Not that I have one, but it might help your search.

mjb.




From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat May  2 10:15:13 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 11:15:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Large bearing, late 1300

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 11:07 AM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Shawn, which 1300?  Not that I have one, but it might help your search.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From tony at svra.com  Fri May  1 14:14:39 2020
From: tony at svra.com (Tony Parella)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:14:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FW:  SVRA Advertisements
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 <993989056.354596.1588358628439@mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <003701d61ff5$256430e0$702c92a0$@svra.com>

 

Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.

 

In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.  

 

We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony

 

Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today. 

 

Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX  76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

 <mailto:tony at svra.com> tony at svra.com



 

 

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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >

Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT

Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements

 

On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.  

 

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.

 

Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.

 

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.

 

Ken

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From tony at svra.com  Fri May  1 16:14:12 2020
From: tony at svra.com (Tony Parella)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 18:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
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Bob, thank for note. It?s a crazy time in our history. We were so excited to help so many people get funded that other email really was hurtful. It goes with being in public. Hopefully we will be racing at Indy and mid- ohio. We will be putting out all the steps we are taking to try and make it safer than going shopping to buy groceries. Safe safe, TP

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 1, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Tony,
> 
> Please don't take me off any mailing lists for saying this,  For a lot of folks vintage racing has been a non-profit, club activity for a very long time. The thought of doing things differently and following a well run business model that would include something like this can run counter to some guys vintage club DNA.  Through the wrong filter, something with honorable intentions like this offer can be seen as wrong-minded. On a bad day the sun doesn't ever shine.
> 
> To get the right filter we have to consciously change the lens.  In our pre-covid world tracks were already struggling with generating enough revenue to make business sense. Now the future is even more scary.   Any track, or any organization that wants to be in the business of promoting events has a huge challenge in front of them post pandemic. They have to try new and different things, they have to take care of their people, and find a way to do that while paying all the bills. The SVRA has been doing that since you took over. I don't agree with everything the SVRA does that's okay. 
> 
> Can I recruit some backers for the Woodstock 6 social distancing festival? 
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:33 PM Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Ken
>> 
>> Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.
>> 
>> Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.
>>  
>> In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.  
>>  
>> We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Tony
>>  
>> Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.
>>  
>> Tony Parella
>> CEO/SVRA
>> Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company
>> 1312 Regency Court
>> Southlake, TX  76092
>> 214-475-8088 ? Cell
>> tony at svra.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.
>> 
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
>> Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
>> 
>> On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat May  2 13:29:59 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 21:29:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hello Marcel,

 

Your engine has leaking valves.

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .

Something to make sure about.

 

Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?

PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?

Marcel

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May  2 14:30:25 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 22:30:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 

Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 

Chris 




Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot 
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43 
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A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 


PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 


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Marcel,

By any chance do you flush out your valve guides in the ports? The reason I ask is it raises hell with the valve grinder when they try to get a good square grind

for some reason.

jim g

 

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Hallo Chris,

of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).

Marcel

 

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Hello Marcel,

 

Your engine has leaking valves.

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .

Something to make sure about.

 

Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?

PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?

Marcel


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Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 17:36:31 -0400
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Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hallo Chris,
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
Marcel

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Hello Marcel,
 
Your engine has leaking valves.
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
Something to make sure about.
 
Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
 
A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
Marcel

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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Sat May  2 18:38:14 2020
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I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky
TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash
adjustment.


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or
> to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust
> valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them
> wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing
> overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really
> aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the
> cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>
> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hallo Chris,
> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put
> the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings
> that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe
> the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I
> will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve
> clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will
> reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a
> racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with
> increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash :
> I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a
> race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances,
> the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot
> upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with
> normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the
> compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the
> engine has a race camshaft).
> Marcel
>
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Aan: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>
> Hello Marcel,
>
>
> Your engine has leaking valves.
> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
> Something to make sure about.
>
>
> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the
> valve train.
>
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *van.mulders.marcel---
> via Fot
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
> *An:* fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>
>
> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl
> no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2
> (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The
> compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with
> a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high
> overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I
> did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" :
> compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on
> cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went
> up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a
> lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder
> if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when
> the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be
> risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to
> perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot
> of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
> Marcel
>
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun May  3 00:25:38 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:25:38 +0200 (CEST)
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Hi Scott, 
The 110? degrees is really the valve overlap, in crankshaft degrees, as you understand it, but at the recommended operating valve lash, 0.016". Checking at 0.050" would result in much lower overlap. Installed at 103?(=advanced a bit) , inlet valve is opening 53? before TDC and exhaust valve is closing at 57? after TDC. But 110? is a lot of overlap :the BFE24 grind has 112? but most racecams are between 95 and 105? it seems. The cam in my engine is installed at 104?, I'm thinking of trying to advance it to 100? ; then the inlet valve is closing earlier. Now the engine has a REAL 210 hp, with the leaking valves and I'm just starting the testing on my engine dyno. People who are racing TR6 engines are easily talking about 230 and 250hp but you never know what that means. But 210? is disappointing, it should go up, more so because the displacement is 2720cc (evenly spaced bores of 78mm) 
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Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution? Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine. 

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 

Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 
Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 
Chris 



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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 

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Hi Jim, 
The valve guides have an oval shape in the ports, but are not shortened. 
Marcel 


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Marcel, 

By any chance do you flush out your valve guides in the ports? The reason I ask is it raises hell with the valve grinder when they try to get a good square grind 

for some reason. 

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Hallo Chris, 


of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 


Marcel 






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Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 

Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 

Chris 




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A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 


PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 


Marcel 



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The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is 110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC) 
Marcel 


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I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA). The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA. LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment. 


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 



Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution? Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine. 

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


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Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 
Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 
Chris 



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A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 

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Mr. Morrison,
Any chance you have a set of GT6 hubs and uprights in your "box o' hubs" ?
Thanks!?
V/r,
M. Huovinen

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 #yiv8242677350 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!
Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more. ?
it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!? How about old transmissions?? An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?? It nearly fits!
I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!
I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.?
Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th. ?
This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates??
my finger's on the trigger.
Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)

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Marcel:
There are many variables that influence the absolute value of the maximum pressure you record in a compression test. The purpose of the test is not to determine your compression ratio, but to detect differences in pressure between cylinders. Significant differences are an indication of an incipient failure or worn parts. The best practice would be to do an initial compression test after engine break in and then periodically after that, making sure to duplicate as much as possible the conditions of your initial test. That way you can track the relative health of the cylinder components.
Phil Gott 

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> On May 3, 2020, at 2:51 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is  110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC)
> Marcel
> 
> Van: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> Aan: "Scott Janzen" <sjanzen at me.com>
> Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Zondag 3 mei 2020 02:38:14
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
> 
> I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>> 
>> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo Chris,
>> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>> 
>> Hello Marcel,
>>  
>> Your engine has leaking valves.
>> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
>> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
>> Something to make sure about.
>>  
>> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
>>  
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>  
>> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
>> An: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>>  
>> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
>> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
>> Marcel
>> 
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Marcel:
There are many variables that influence the absolute value of the maximum pressure you record in a compression test. The purpose of the test is not to determine your compression ratio, but to detect differences in pressure between cylinders. Significant differences are an indication of an incipient failure or worn parts. The best practice would be to do an initial compression test after engine break in and then periodically after that, making sure to duplicate as much as possible the conditions of your initial test. That way you can track the relative health of the cylinder components.
Phil Gott 

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> On May 3, 2020, at 2:51 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is  110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC)
> Marcel
> 
> Van: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> Aan: "Scott Janzen" <sjanzen at me.com>
> Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Zondag 3 mei 2020 02:38:14
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
> 
> I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>> 
>> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo Chris,
>> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>> 
>> Hello Marcel,
>>  
>> Your engine has leaking valves.
>> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
>> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
>> Something to make sure about.
>>  
>> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
>>  
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>  
>> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
>> An: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>>  
>> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
>> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
>> Marcel
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun May  3 07:04:20 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 09:04:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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I see.  Difficult for me to compare, as all of the cam opening/closing data I have is at 50/1000, not the recommended operating clearances.  I do agree with Phil Gott?s email that the compression numbers are primarily useful as relative checks against each other.  If something is out of line it indicates an issue.

On May 3, 2020, at 2:25 AM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote:

Hi Scott,
The 110? degrees is really the valve overlap, in crankshaft degrees, as you understand it, but at the recommended operating valve lash, 0.016". Checking at 0.050" would result in much lower overlap. Installed at 103?(=advanced a bit) , inlet valve is opening 53? before TDC and exhaust valve is closing at 57? after TDC. But 110? is a lot of overlap :the  BFE24 grind has 112? but most racecams are between 95 and 105? it seems. The cam in my engine is installed at 104?, I'm thinking of trying to advance it to 100? ; then the inlet valve is closing earlier. Now the engine has a REAL 210 hp, with the leaking valves and I'm just starting the testing on my engine dyno. People who are racing TR6 engines are easily talking about 230 and 250hp but you never know what that means. But 210? is disappointing, it should go up, more so because the displacement is 2720cc (evenly spaced bores of 78mm)
Marcel

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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 23:36:31
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Hallo Chris,
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
Marcel

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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

Hello Marcel,
 
Your engine has leaking valves.
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
Something to make sure about.
 
Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
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Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
 
A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
Marcel

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May  4 01:13:08 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 09:13:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio - Kastner Cup
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Hi Folks,

 

I have plans to come over to USA to race with you.

About 6 weeks to go.

As far I know there is a 14 days quarantine for foreigners to enter the USA and maybe also in Europe on the way back.

Currently I have no idea if I can make it because 14 days more in USA is not on my flight schedule and time scale with my job.

 

Depending on the situation in the next 2 weeks I?m prepared to cancel the flights for Harry, Holger and me.

 

Hopefully Corona will fade out quickly to make Mid Ohio happen for us but I have small hopes.

 

Cheers

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From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au  Mon May  4 16:54:11 2020
From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (geoff byrne)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 08:54:11 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Lucas Fuel Injection
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Amici

Does anyone on this forum know of any six cylinder Triumphs racing with the
mechanical fuel cam operated by the throttle . This system was widely used
in race cars of the 1960 and 70 and available at the time through Lucas. Kas
reports in one of his publications of experimenting with this system to
overcome the limitations of the vacuum driven fuel cam. The throttle driven
fuel control system is currently available through Kinsler  in the US.  I'm
currently using a throttle driven fuel control mechanism on my TR6 race car
but am using the existing fuel cam to comply with current regulations. This
however greatly limits the ability to accurately control the AFR over the
full rev range . The adoption of the Kinsler unit overcomes this problem but
you no longer have a choke of WOT adjustment as you have on the standard
Lucas unit.

I am interested in corresponding with any racer who has fitted the Kinsler
unit.

Kind Regards 

Geoff Byrne 

TR6 racer down under

 

PS I've self-isolated in my machine shop , lots to do

 

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon May  4 21:51:19 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 13:51:19 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Lucas Fuel Injection
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this is the Lucas race set up for those who have never seen it. . i
rebuilt/tuned quite a few back in the day. horrible job juggling/grinding
fuel cams. was used on lots of race engine, 6, 6, 8 and 12. with both 6mm
and 8mm internal shuttle sizes (tiumph were 6mm)

Terry

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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:54 AM geoff byrne via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici
>
> Does anyone on this forum know of any six cylinder Triumphs racing with
> the mechanical fuel cam operated by the throttle . This system was widely
> used in race cars of the 1960 and 70 and available at the time through
> Lucas. Kas reports in one of his publications of experimenting with this
> system to overcome the limitations of the vacuum driven fuel cam. The
> throttle driven  fuel control system is currently available through
> Kinsler  in the US.  I?m currently using a throttle driven fuel control
> mechanism on my TR6 race car but am using the existing fuel cam to comply
> with current regulations. This however greatly limits the ability to
> accurately control the AFR over the full rev range . The adoption of the
> Kinsler unit overcomes this problem but you no longer have a choke of WOT
> adjustment as you have on the standard Lucas unit.
>
> I am interested in corresponding with any racer who has fitted the Kinsler
> unit.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Geoff Byrne
>
> TR6 racer down under
>
>
>
> PS I?ve self-isolated in my machine shop , lots to do
>
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Wed May  6 12:24:52 2020
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 14:24:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
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Hey all,

Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!

Thanks!

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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May  6 14:44:27 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:44:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
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Jeff;
I bought a stock Laycock TR6 pressure plate from Rimmer Bros or Miss (can?t recall which) and then sent it to California Clutch for uprating. I believe they installed a stiffer diaphragm.  So far, so good.
If you have a flat faced throwout bearing, you need a pressure plate with curved diaphragm fingers. If using a stock TR6 throwout bearing with a curved face, you need a diaphragm with flat fingers. Flat on flat will work but may not be as smooth.
Phil Gott

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> On May 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey all,
> 
> Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May  6 14:44:27 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:44:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
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Jeff;
I bought a stock Laycock TR6 pressure plate from Rimmer Bros or Miss (can?t recall which) and then sent it to California Clutch for uprating. I believe they installed a stiffer diaphragm.  So far, so good.
If you have a flat faced throwout bearing, you need a pressure plate with curved diaphragm fingers. If using a stock TR6 throwout bearing with a curved face, you need a diaphragm with flat fingers. Flat on flat will work but may not be as smooth.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey all,
> 
> Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
> 
> 
> 
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  6 18:48:46 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 00:48:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
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I received this from SVRA last night. It has some important items that will apply to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio.  I hope to have some info regarding over crew passes after they meet with the track next week. As of right now SVRA still says its a go, Mid-Ohio still says its a go. The Governor of Ohio is slowly relaxing things.  We will have to be conscious of social distancing while still hanging out together. Based on what is currently happening in Ohio you should plan on making, buying, borrowing, stealing, some sort of mask to wear. Maybe we should have some kind of award for the most creative mask. ?  I expect to be making a bunch of updates come June so please keep an eye on the list as things start shaking out. Things are still very fluid currently. There are presently 56 Triumphs registered.

Marty Sukey




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Getting Back On Track


"Our goal is to make racing with SVRA safer than going to the grocery store."

The health and safety of our racers, staff and workers is our top priority.  Anticipating our return to racing?we have been working with the tracks, public health experts and public safety professionals, to prepare a comprehensive operating plan that addresses COVID-19 and meets or exceeds, the health and safety standards and directives put forth by the CDC.

We are ready to go racing and committed to doing it responsibly!  Following are many of the procedures and processes that we will be implementing to create a safe event experience.

  *   Pre-Event: Information sent to staff and participants that outline the safety changes to procedures and processes
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Wed May  6 22:37:33 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 00:37:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Devin Body/TR6 frame
Message-ID: <00d601d62429$3b632260$b2296720$@cox.net>

FOT - I thought I sent this a few weeks ago but received no response(s) and
a friend said he never received it.  So am resending.

      I have a Devin fiberglass body in primer (believed to be a Vanquist?)
that has never been mounted on a frame.  It comes with doors, a bonnet and
trunk with fairing.  The body is sitting on a TR6 bare frame (no suspension,
no engine, gearbox, etc) but not mounted on it.  The frame has floorboards.
The former owner started to modify the frame for a V8 engine, but went on to
another project.  I received the Devin in a deal with the former owner.  I
never intended to build it.  The frame sits on a rolling wood base.

    The photos don't show the bonnet and trunk, which I have.  There is also
a mold for the bonnet and the trunk.

     This would be a major project but the Devins are rare and this would be
a fun race or street car.

     I will accept any reasonable offer.  The body is in Virginia Beach.  If
no one is interested I will try Barn Finds, Bring-a Trailer or Ebay.  If you
want to see some completed Devins, go to past auctions on Bring a Trailer.  

     Call to discuss.  I am available days and nights until 10PM.

     Take care and stay safe.  Hank

     

 

Hank Giffin

757-375-1491

 

 

 

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Thu May  7 05:43:09 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (grandwazoo at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 07:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Devin Body/TR6 frame
Message-ID: <c9b5e245-ffc9-45ed-b457-7e0752261276@Mikes-iPhoneq>


Got it! Sadly, I?m not yer buyer

Mike

Sent from EarthLink Mobile mail

On 5/7/20, 12:37 AM, Henry Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

FOT ? I thought I sent this a few weeks ago but received no response(s) and a friend said he never received it. So am resending.

I have a Devin fiberglass body in primer (believed to be a Vanquist?) that has never been mounted on a frame. It comes with doors, a bonnet and trunk with fairing. The body is sitting on a TR6 bare frame (no suspension, no engine, gearbox, etc) but not mounted on it. The frame has floorboards. The former owner started to modify the frame for a V8 engine, but went on to another project. I received the Devin in a deal with the former owner. I never intended to build it. The frame sits on a rolling wood base.

The photos don?t show the bonnet and trunk, which I have. There is also a mold for the bonnet and the trunk.

This would be a major project but the Devins are rare and this would be a fun race or street car.

I will accept any reasonable offer. The body is in Virginia Beach. If no one is interested I will try Barn Finds, Bring-a Trailer or Ebay. If you want to see some completed Devins, go to past auctions on Bring a Trailer.

Call to discuss. I am available days and nights until 10PM.

Take care and stay safe. Hank

Hank Giffin

757-375-1491

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From bfloyd6677 at aol.com  Thu May  7 08:38:11 2020
From: bfloyd6677 at aol.com (Bryan Floyd)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 14:38:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>

So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.? So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.? Price is?$9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.? Details and many photos available upon request.? We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.? Includes parts to run FP or GTL? If interested let's talk....
Fresh build 1500cc engine:

?????????Pauter Rods

?????????Weisco Pistons

?????????Cyl. Head new 1 test day

?????????Baffled pan with windage tray

?????????Accusump

?????????Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares

?????????Oil to water cooler

?????????Gear Reduction starter w/new spare

?????????Stahl header with spares

?????????Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate

?????????New Tilton annular slave

?????????HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils


?
?????????Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder headw/matching intake & Cam 


?
Drivetrain/suspension

?????????Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans

?????????Multiple assembled Diffs

?????????Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums

?????????Multiple rear spring options

?????????Adjustable rear uprights

?????????AVO adjustable shocks

?????????Multiple front sway bars

?????????Tilton pedals w/new cylinders

Misc.

?????????2nd Chassis w/race body GlennGraham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook

?????????Spare new f-glass quarters + several used piecesincluding hood

?????????3 sets Revolution wheels 

?????????Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019

?????????Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019

?????????Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019

?????????Spare trans

?????????Driveshaft & Axles 

?????????Large usable spares pkg


?
BryanFloyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com? five one three?405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades??

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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu May  7 09:08:59 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 16:08:59 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 145
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1588701602.18536.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.0.1588701602.18536.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <005501d62481$71b77d40$552677c0$@btinternet.com>

Geoff,

No immediate advice from Sideways, no one has said that they have used it.
But you made me recall an article by Kas, about this mod, that appeared in
the UK magazine "Triumph World".
I enclose a PDF of the article.

John

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May  7 09:57:28 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 15:57:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420C4CA294FF918ED9D5422E1A50@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

That?s a pretty good price for a lot of neat stuff!

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bryan Floyd via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 9:38 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale


So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested let's talk....


Fresh build 1500cc engine:

?         Pauter Rods

?         Weisco Pistons

?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day

?         Baffled pan with windage tray

?         Accusump

?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares

?         Oil to water cooler

?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare

?         Stahl header with spares

?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate

?         New Tilton annular slave

?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils



?         Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder head w/matching intake & Cam


Drivetrain/suspension

?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans

?         Multiple assembled Diffs

?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums

?         Multiple rear spring options

?         Adjustable rear uprights

?         AVO adjustable shocks

?         Multiple front sway bars

?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
Misc.

?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook

?         Spare new f-glass quarters + several used pieces including hood

?         3 sets Revolution wheels

?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019

?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019

?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019

?         Spare trans

?         Driveshaft & Axles

?         Large usable spares pkg



Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com<mailto:bfloyd6677 at aol.com>  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades?
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu May  7 10:19:26 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 10:19:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>

"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.




From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu May  7 11:53:14 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 12:53:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>

Looks like a great deal, but there has to be a good story behind such a specific asking price. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Floyd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested let's talk....
> 
> Fresh build 1500cc engine:
> ?         Pauter Rods
> ?         Weisco Pistons
> ?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day
> ?         Baffled pan with windage tray
> ?         Accusump
> ?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares
> ?         Oil to water cooler
> ?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare
> ?         Stahl header with spares
> ?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate
> ?         New Tilton annular slave
> ?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils
>  
> ?         Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder head w/matching intake & Cam
>  
> Drivetrain/suspension
> ?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans
> ?         Multiple assembled Diffs
> ?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums
> ?         Multiple rear spring options
> ?         Adjustable rear uprights
> ?         AVO adjustable shocks
> ?         Multiple front sway bars
> ?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
> Misc.
> ?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook
> ?         Spare new f-glass quarters + several used pieces including hood
> ?         3 sets Revolution wheels
> ?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019
> ?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019
> ?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019
> ?         Spare trans
> ?         Driveshaft & Axles
> ?         Large usable spares pkg
>  
> Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades? 
> <20200507_094912_resized.jpg>
> <Spitfire Sell Sheet.docx>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May  7 12:44:55 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
 <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWvt_aFTwjatxq9k5B_AWxpWN3pQRckopNWnKx62W6uAbA@mail.gmail.com>

If it is not an exact calculation of what he has in it  here's my guess.
It is an "anchor price" as defined by Chris Voss, an FBI negotiation expert
and author of Never Split the Difference. It tells you that he has worked
out the value/price calculation to the last penny and should elicit a
response that starts a buyer at a higher price, or to just say, "that's
fair", I'll take it.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:53 PM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Looks like a great deal, but there has to be a good story behind such a
> specific asking price.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 7, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Floyd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my
> H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47
> OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not
> cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made
> some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will
> actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested
> let's talk....
>
> Fresh build 1500cc engine:
> ?         Pauter Rods
> ?         Weisco Pistons
> ?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day
> ?         Baffled pan with windage tray
> ?         Accusump
> ?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares
> ?         Oil to water cooler
> ?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare
> ?         Stahl header with spares
> ?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate
> ?         New Tilton annular slave
> ?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils
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> & Cam
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> Drivetrain/suspension
> ?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans
> ?         Multiple assembled Diffs
> ?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums
> ?         Multiple rear spring options
> ?         Adjustable rear uprights
> ?         AVO adjustable shocks
> ?         Multiple front sway bars
> ?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
> Misc.
> ?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car
> w/logbook
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> ?         3 sets Revolution wheels
> ?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019
> ?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019
> ?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019
> ?         Spare trans
> ?         Driveshaft & Axles
> ?         Large usable spares pkg
>
> Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May  7 14:47:25 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 16:47:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>

If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about
all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> "Events will be closed to spectators"
>
> Not what I wanted to hear.
>
> mjb.
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Thu May  7 15:13:25 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 21:13:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>,
 <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E60B7D3-B76D-4B2D-8633-92D9567696A9@mhc-law.com>



Sent from my iPhone
Yea, just announced here that they don?t expect the virus to reach its peak until late July...stay at home still in place
On May 7, 2020, at 4:47 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.


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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu May  7 16:14:00 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 08:14:00 +1000
Subject: [Fot] COVID motorsport impact
In-Reply-To: <9E60B7D3-B76D-4B2D-8633-92D9567696A9@mhc-law.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>
 <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <9E60B7D3-B76D-4B2D-8633-92D9567696A9@mhc-law.com>
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b3BBs45T8BHPYYdqjyX4WVcYTDbvEACFcohPQ9X2vixog@mail.gmail.com>

just saying Hi from the other side of the world (australia).

like you guys, we have been affected by COVID 19, but not nearly as bad it
seems , as our Federal and State Governments moved very quickly to
effectively lock-down the country and close state borders. restrictions are
just starting to ease after about 100 days in force. we have had nothing
like the outbreaks we hear about in NY .

anyhow, motorsport here is still effectively banned due to a combination of
social distancing and maximum crowd numbers. I was a bit amazed to see
Kastner Cup is still scheduled

our large local track is planning to re-open for very limited use next
week; basically private practise and such like, with strict rules re social
distancing.

another nearbye track operator has told us that he cannot get
insurance coverage for any sort of  event until the Government removes all
forms of restrictions on gatherings, so thats what is stopping him opening,
and possibly many other similar tracks.

I  wish you all the very best. see you in 2021 i hope

Terry


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu May  7 19:13:35 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 01:13:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514D9535954E43717E784B6BAA20@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

All parties involved including the state of Ohio are doing their best trying to read the future of a very fluid situation that we all know changes weekly. I can guarantee that no matter what decision is made somebody is not going to like it. In the end it is a personal choice each will have to make when the time comes. Some have already chose to stay home and that is ok.

Marty

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:47 PM
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update

If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.


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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 03:18:36 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 10:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 145
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Further, about directly controlled Lucas Pi.
You will now that several other manufacturers used Lucas Pi.  Developed on
racing Jaguars, it was used by Maserati for production cars and Ford on
racing Capris.    A UK race engineer, Ric Wood, uses direct control Pi on
his current 
race Capri.      His website is at https://ricwood.com/

I can't see anything about Lucas pi there, but maybe he would help you?

John

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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri May  8 09:43:48 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 11:43:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale
Message-ID: <ae520fe7-9b1c-7621-a3c1-a7e9d5969164@bright.net>

 ? Just got in a Lotus Europa parts "stash".? Part of the collection are 
2 sets of 13" alloy wheels. 1 set Ansen 13" x 6" w/4" back space.? Other 
set is Cosmic 13" x 5.5" w/4" back space. 5 Cosmic wheels are pictured 
but one has severe curb damage. Wheels weigh 13# each for either brand.? 
Street car or rain tire spares. Thanks for your time. Ted

Pictures at http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/salvagearrivals.html

-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:22:09 2020
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 12:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch Pressure Plate Sourced
Message-ID: <BE9ED2A6-365C-4DA7-8E37-557511AC92A8@gmail.com>

Thanks to Richard Good at Goodparts I sourced a heavy duty Borg & Beck clutch kit for the TR3 vintage race car spare engine.  Don?t need the disc and bearing, but that?s the only way to get one of the good pressure plates it appears.  

Thanks to all the input from fellow FOTers!

Jeff Snook
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:30:18 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 11:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch Pressure Plate Sourced
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When the gyms open again you need to work that left leg!

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks to Richard Good at Goodparts I sourced a heavy duty Borg & Beck
> clutch kit for the TR3 vintage race car spare engine.  Don?t need the disc
> and bearing, but that?s the only way to get one of the good pressure plates
> it appears.
>
> Thanks to all the input from fellow FOTers!
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  8 11:20:58 2020
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 12:20:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale
In-Reply-To: <ae520fe7-9b1c-7621-a3c1-a7e9d5969164@bright.net>
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...and for the Stag folks. I have a set of OEM alloy  wheels I'd like to sell.
Thanks
Dennis 

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Sent: ?5/?8/?2020 10:45 AM
To: "FOT" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale

 ? Just got in a Lotus Europa parts "stash".? Part of the collection are 
2 sets of 13" alloy wheels. 1 set Ansen 13" x 6" w/4" back space.? Other 
set is Cosmic 13" x 5.5" w/4" back space. 5 Cosmic wheels are pictured 
but one has severe curb damage. Wheels weigh 13# each for either brand.? 
Street car or rain tire spares. Thanks for your time. Ted

Pictures at http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/salvagearrivals.html

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tedtsimx at bright.net
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From biznzman at pacbell.net  Sun May 10 14:55:44 2020
From: biznzman at pacbell.net (STEPHEN BOROWSKI)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:55:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Request for the Spec sheet for the Kastner G3 TR4 Camshaft
References: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All,Does anyone have a copy of the valve timing specification for the Kastner G3 camshaft. I am installing the camshaft in my TR4 race engine and the spec sheet I have is in my garage in San Diego and naturally I'm in Florida.
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sun May 10 15:31:29 2020
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Request for the Spec sheet for the Kastner G3 TR4 Camshaft
In-Reply-To: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2014165858.1074337.1589146289323@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Steve.? I don't have a spec sheet on the G-3, but the specs are in Kas's Competition Preparation Manual. 

 G-3 Camshaft:Inlet opens 51 degrees BTDCInlet closes 79 degrees ABDCExhaust opens 79 degrees BBDCExhaust closes 51 degrees ATDC
Duration is 309 degreesTotal lift at the valve is .499When using a degree wheel, checking clearance is .011 at the camshaft.The rocker arm adjustment is .016 hot.
I hope this helps.
Jack


    On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 5:02:19 PM EDT, STEPHEN BOROWSKI via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hello All,Does anyone have a copy of the valve timing specification for the Kastner G3 camshaft. I am installing the camshaft in my TR4 race engine and the spec sheet I have is in my garage in San Diego and naturally I'm in Florida.
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 10 18:18:36 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
References: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66.ref@aol.com>
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Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone


From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 10 19:19:08 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <DF58F8F1-2893-4B7C-AFF1-072D577345E9@gmail.com>

Have you got Kas? last book? It has a chapter on ?avoiding oil leaks in wet sleeve engines?. It discussed the real seals and rope seals

Commercial Message: We have that book at a very low price to FOT. And we just received a batch of Viton Seals. Will discount.

We also have new runs of front and rear engine plates in aluminum.

Thanks,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 10, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May 13 14:46:34 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:46:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
In-Reply-To: <003101d62949$93dd65c0$bb983140$@uprichard.net>
References: <003101d62949$93dd65c0$bb983140$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>


Some of you have already seen this, many of you know Randall from Team 
Net and elsewhere.

mjb.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
Date: 	Wed, 13 May 2020 13:11:42 -0400
From: 	andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 	triumphs at autox.team.net



I have gone back and forth about posting this, but Randall is a friend 
of all of us, and I don?t think he would mind me sharing.

Last week I left a couple of vm messages, saying we were worried about 
him. This morning when I got up, I saw he had called and left a message 
at 3am EDT.

The message was very garbled and disjointed but he said he was in a 
hospital and I heard other voices in the background, one of whom was 
saying ?I?m your nurse, remember??

It was definitely Randall and I have no reason to believe the call was 
not genuine. If he is in hospital, I don?t know why (but I can guess).

I did try to call back, but didn?t get through. I left him a message 
saying I was sorry to hear he was in hospital but that there were a lot 
of people who would be rooting for him.? Please keep him in your 
thoughts and prayers.

Andrew

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May 13 15:45:20 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:45:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Possible Team Net outage
Message-ID: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>

We had some severe wind gusts in Salt Lake Monday afternoon, about half 
of a large tree blew over, sort of hitting the garage and some cars.? 
Take a look at http://bradakis.com/net_wire.jpg to get an idea of what 
happened.? Inside that marked off area you can see a black wire.? That 
is Team Net's connection to the world. Getting all the fallen branches 
off that wire is beyond my capabilities.? We've contacted some 
professional tree removers, haven't heard back yet, so not sure when the 
mess will be cleaned up.

So basically if we get more wind gusts over the next day or two all that 
debris could shift and take out that network cable.? And Team Net would 
be off the air for who knows how long.? So be aware of that 
possibility.? If it happens, you might be seeing a status message from 
hoosierq at gmail.com that may look suspicious at first glance.? It will be 
from me.

And another note, the old problem of delayed email seems to be occurring 
again.? Currently the delay is one the order of an hour or so, I'll be 
looking into the situation.

Fun times indeed!

mjb.




From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed May 13 15:50:52 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
In-Reply-To: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>
References: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B7A9A006-E3B2-4BE0-8BA5-20D1E0862AAB@gmail.com>

Thank you for sharing. He came on the FOT very early on and is a treasure trove of Triumph information.

He has been a good friend over the years. I hope he is OK or will be.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 13, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Some of you have already seen this, many of you know Randall from Team Net and elsewhere.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:    [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
> Date:    Wed, 13 May 2020 13:11:42 -0400
> From:    andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> To:    triumphs at autox.team.net
> 
> 
> 
> I have gone back and forth about posting this, but Randall is a friend of all of us, and I don?t think he would mind me sharing.
> 
> Last week I left a couple of vm messages, saying we were worried about him. This morning when I got up, I saw he had called and left a message at 3am EDT.
> 
> The message was very garbled and disjointed but he said he was in a hospital and I heard other voices in the background, one of whom was saying ?I?m your nurse, remember??
> 
> It was definitely Randall and I have no reason to believe the call was not genuine. If he is in hospital, I don?t know why (but I can guess).
> 
> I did try to call back, but didn?t get through. I left him a message saying I was sorry to hear he was in hospital but that there were a lot of people who would be rooting for him.  Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> <Attached Message Part>
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed May 13 17:20:11 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:20:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible Team Net outage
In-Reply-To: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>
References: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVaYeG2ByJp5upi7haT-Zfbu+d5oj7iFN9jY7ym8oUpd_A@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, screw the cable, they'll make more. Save the cars.

mike h

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> We had some severe wind gusts in Salt Lake Monday afternoon, about half
> of a large tree blew over, sort of hitting the garage and some cars.
> Take a look at http://bradakis.com/net_wire.jpg to get an idea of what
> happened.  Inside that marked off area you can see a black wire.  That
> is Team Net's connection to the world. Getting all the fallen branches
> off that wire is beyond my capabilities.  We've contacted some
> professional tree removers, haven't heard back yet, so not sure when the
> mess will be cleaned up.
>
> So basically if we get more wind gusts over the next day or two all that
> debris could shift and take out that network cable.  And Team Net would
> be off the air for who knows how long.  So be aware of that
> possibility.  If it happens, you might be seeing a status message from
> hoosierq at gmail.com that may look suspicious at first glance.  It will be
> from me.
>
> And another note, the old problem of delayed email seems to be occurring
> again.  Currently the delay is one the order of an hour or so, I'll be
> looking into the situation.
>
> Fun times indeed!
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu May 14 06:29:40 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 08:29:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Farndon (UK) steel cranks forf TR3/TR4
Message-ID: <3cf2849b-ef6b-40e0-0218-febdb5791456@bright.net>

Hi List. We have 2 new Farndon steel cranks in the UK. These are a 
"dummy" 5 main configuration.? Pictures are attached.? Price is $2350 
landed in Pandora, OH.? Can deliver to Mid-Ohio.? Thanks for your time. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu May 14 08:17:54 2020
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:17:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>

 

I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.

 

"I am Mike Cook's son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing
a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted
Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of
characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young,
Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group
44 livery. Thanks"

 

Can I get a second?

 

Thanks

Paul

 

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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu May 14 08:26:46 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:26:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
Message-ID: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>

It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a classic car.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu May 14 08:01:26 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:01:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] steel cranks -version 2
Message-ID: <9a07b13c-927d-1810-a0ec-8067f29a80da@bright.net>

 ?Hi Guys. Sorry about that. Not all pics went out. Yes there is a "long 
tail" (early) TR6 crank as well. Here are pics of TR3/4. Ted

-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
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Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
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From paulricco at att.net  Thu May 14 09:13:51 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:13:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <D0965A56-6FB6-4475-A26B-B3DE74F07C29@att.net>

Second.

Paul Ricco

> On May 14, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
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From paulricco at att.net  Thu May 14 09:13:51 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:13:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <D0965A56-6FB6-4475-A26B-B3DE74F07C29@att.net>

Second.

Paul Ricco

> On May 14, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:26:50 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eaZf+ShQi3B9j125KhPFky05kB2JpTEK8Fc3+FRD7M9_g@mail.gmail.com>

Second!!!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
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515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:09 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

>
>
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
> Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>
>
>
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire
> towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got
> from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very
> colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius,
> Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to
> Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>
>
>
> Can I get a second?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
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>
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:36:39 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <57480370-B121-40F1-B3EF-B4B631FDC670@gmail.com>

Second, of course.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 14, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:39:41 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:39:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
In-Reply-To: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
References: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVZfwn2U8ayC2SHzKXLmpHQcTBpCTjMy=j8zDdDHNBoW0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Seems like a good price for a driver quality car. Maybe there's hope for
GT-6s as well.

mike h

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:09 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not
> exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a
> classic car.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:59:24 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
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Seconded.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 11:08 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

>
>
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
> Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>
>
>
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire
> towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got
> from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very
> colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius,
> Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to
> Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>
>
>
> Can I get a second?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 10:03:33 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 16:03:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
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 second

    On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 10:08:59 AM CDT, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
?

I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.

 ?

?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?

 ?

Can I get a second?

 ?

Thanks

Paul

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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May 14 15:39:07 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 17:39:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVZfwn2U8ayC2SHzKXLmpHQcTBpCTjMy=j8zDdDHNBoW0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
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The swing in bids for a TR6 is about $20K, according to data from BAT.  No
TR6 will be trouble free no matter how well prepared.  Never buy a Triumph
without first looking at the underside on a lift.


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Seems like a good price for a driver quality car. Maybe there's hope for
> GT-6s as well.
>
> mike h
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:09 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not
>> exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a
>> classic car.
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Thu May 14 21:33:43 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 03:33:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>

Local news here in Ohio announced tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio
races at the end of this month. FYI
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 15 06:50:26 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 12:50:26 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514701652F55DBB385D46B3BABD0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Yesterday Governors reports showed more venues being allowed to open May 26 allowing softball game and other sports as well as campgrounds. Nothing about racetracks yet but I'm sure bigger fish are in the fire. I would expect more releases as time goes on. I have been in contact with SVRA and Mid-Ohio and they are anticipating the Kastner Cup taking place. Things are still in a bit of uncertainty but I'm hoping for the best. I will post changes as I hear them from SVRA and the track.

Marty

________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of T. R. Householder via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:33 PM
To: 'fot at autox.team.net' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio

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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 15 07:06:02 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:06:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
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On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> Local news here in Ohio announced? tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio 
> races at the end of this month. FYI 

 From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.

mjb.




From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May 15 07:26:28 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <f883d60b-db3e-2050-6606-738ef12ae052@bradakis.com>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
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Message-ID: <9922C353C97D428383A50AD307E12C5A@VlackTK121647>

Exactly, the post just added confusion to an already confusing situation.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 9:06 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio

On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> Local news here in Ohio announced  tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio races 
> at the end of this month. FYI

>From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.

mjb.


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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 07:52:10 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR04MB6935735653B421292CF2C044B4BD0@CH2PR04MB6935.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR04MB6935735653B421292CF2C044B4BD0@CH2PR04MB6935.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C815C470-204C-4879-A7AA-F7400BE567A7@aol.com>

Thanks to all who replied.

I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
Hope to see you in Ohio,

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> 
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
> Erie, PA 16506
> 
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> Fax:        888-865-5279
> Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
> 
> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> 
> Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 07:52:10 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR04MB6935735653B421292CF2C044B4BD0@CH2PR04MB6935.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR04MB6935735653B421292CF2C044B4BD0@CH2PR04MB6935.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C815C470-204C-4879-A7AA-F7400BE567A7@aol.com>

Thanks to all who replied.

I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
Hope to see you in Ohio,

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> 
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
> Erie, PA 16506
> 
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> Fax:        888-865-5279
> Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
> 
> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> 
> Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
> 
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Fri May 15 08:02:16 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <9922C353C97D428383A50AD307E12C5A@VlackTK121647>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
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 <9922C353C97D428383A50AD307E12C5A@VlackTK121647>
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What I just read, referring to the NASCAR Xfinity race scheduled for the
end of the month.

On Fri, May 15, 2020, 9:52 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Exactly, the post just added confusion to an already confusing situation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 9:06 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio
>
> On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> > Local news here in Ohio announced  tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio
> races
> > at the end of this month. FYI
>
> From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 15 08:45:32 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:45:32 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Car purchase intermediary?
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB34208DD9EBFA02213177A952E1BD0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Has anybody used a good car purchase intermediary?  I have a client who wants to buy a Corvette from a remote location and both buyer and seller are justifiably nervous.
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:47:00 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:47:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
References: <291708787.810321.1589554020315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Amici...
Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Fri May 15 08:55:59 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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Nice thought, but not with a Triumph, however.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:53 AM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici...
>
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse
> power...
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:57:19 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:57:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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I?d run out of paint.....

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Amici...
> 
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
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> Bill Dentinger
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:57:19 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:57:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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I?d run out of paint.....

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> ?
> Amici...
> 
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
> 
> Bill Dentinger
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri May 15 09:05:20 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
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I recently disassembled the engine from my TR3 and the rear main area was dry.  This was my first TR engine build.  I used the orange RTV and carefully watched it just squeeze through gaps and cracks around the bearing cap as I installed the rope covered in RTV.  That is the only place I used the orange RTV on the engine or anywhere else.  I made a rope install tool just like Kas suggests in his book.  What I did find was that the front engine plate was leaking between the plate and engine at the bottom.  Oil from this leak makes it's way all over the oil pan and drips off the bolts and back from there.  Also, my trans front seal was leaking and that slings fluid around inside the bell housing then drips out the hole at the bottom.  The slinging oil also finds it's way out around the clutch fork shaft exiting the bell housing.  These two leaks made it difficult to tell if the rear main was leaking or not.  I also found trans fluid coming from one of the bolts holding the tail housing on.  These obviously need to be sealed up better than they were.  At least the rear main wasn't leaking.  I'll be more confident installing the rope seal this time around.  
Dave H.
> On May 15, 2020 at 6:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to all who replied.
> 
> I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
> Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
> Hope to see you in Ohio,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Mike
> > 
> > Michael T. Moore, CPA
> > 3255 West 26th Street
> > Erie, PA 16506
> > 
> > Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> > Fax:        888-865-5279
> > Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
> > 
> > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> > To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> > 
> > Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> > Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> > Phil Gott
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 15 09:29:56 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:29:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.




From bownes at web9.com  Fri May 15 09:56:43 2020
From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 11:56:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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I'd run out of oil.


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 11:25 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?d run out of paint.....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Amici...
>
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse
> power...
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 15 10:04:36 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 16:04:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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Just another sign that you're going FAST.
Bill

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 On?Friday, May 15, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.


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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 15 11:42:46 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 12:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
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Isn't the leak from the trans front oil seal a short term solution for
lubing the cross shaft? I have yet to keep one of these totally dry.

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:25 AM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I recently disassembled the engine from my TR3 and the rear main area was
> dry.  This was my first TR engine build.  I used the orange RTV and
> carefully watched it just squeeze through gaps and cracks around the
> bearing cap as I installed the rope covered in RTV.  That is the only place
> I used the orange RTV on the engine or anywhere else.  I made a rope
> install tool just like Kas suggests in his book.  What I did find was that
> the front engine plate was leaking between the plate and engine at the
> bottom.  Oil from this leak makes it's way all over the oil pan and drips
> off the bolts and back from there.  Also, my trans front seal was leaking
> and that slings fluid around inside the bell housing then drips out the
> hole at the bottom.  The slinging oil also finds it's way out around the
> clutch fork shaft exiting the bell housing.  These two leaks made it
> difficult to tell if the rear main was leaking or not.  I also found trans
> fluid coming from one of the bolts holding the tail housing on.  These
> obviously need to be sealed up better than they were.  At least the rear
> main wasn't leaking.  I'll be more confident installing the rope seal this
> time around.
> Dave H.
> > On May 15, 2020 at 6:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks to all who replied.
> >
> > I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried
> that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the
> rings.
> > Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this
> email. Some very clever!
> > Hope to see you in Ohio,
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know
> if the is a less messy way to do it.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Michael T. Moore, CPA
> > > 3255 West 26th Street
> > > Erie, PA 16506
> > >
> > > Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> > > Fax:        888-865-5279
> > > Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
> > >
> > > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally
> privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the
> reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby
> notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this
> message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the
> sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> > > To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > > Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> > >
> > > Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope
> seals the mess gets worse and worse.
> > > Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals
> entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no
> air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better
> way to do it.
> > > Phil Gott
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Fri May 15 12:14:31 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:14:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

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After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri May 15 13:07:21 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:07:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

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?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

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Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 15 13:32:16 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:32:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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Someone let me know when it's officially canceled.

Marty



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From: "John H. Hasty via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/15/20 3:23 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>, WPTA Secretary/Webmaster <wpta.webmaster at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled

Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com<mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...



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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 15 14:43:39 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:43:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

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?FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)<autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.? We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...?

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.? There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 15:02:11 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the Glen... ?(not naming names ?)
Oh, wrong kind of stripe!
Dave G


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On Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Just another sign that you're going FAST.
Bill

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 On?Friday, May 15, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May 15 15:17:07 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 17:17:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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White stripes

[image: Rick.JPG]

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:10 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the
> Glen...  (not naming names ?)
>
> Oh, wrong kind of stripe!
>
> Dave G
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Just another sign that you're going FAST.
>
> Bill
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> On Friday, May 15, 2020, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.
>
> mjb.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 15 17:05:15 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 17:05:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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Yep, I?ve left a white line before, a couple times. Oil dry all the way from my pit to the grid at Hastings. I didn?t know it at the time but my oil cooler blew

and I drove all the way to the grid leaking oil. Good enough you can see it from space. This from google images.

Not so fondly remembered by the grid workers as the Gray Line. They were still pissed about it years later.

 



 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 3:17 PM
To: David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What's enough horse power?

 

White stripes

 



 

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:10 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the Glen...  (not naming names ?)

 

Oh, wrong kind of stripe!

 

Dave G


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Just another sign that you're going FAST.

 

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My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.


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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri May 15 21:09:51 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 03:09:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio announcement
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Posted 3 hours ago on Triumph Register of America site. Mid Ohio
Kastner Cup will be a non spectator event
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Sat May 16 14:29:52 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 16:29:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one
of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is
> opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>
> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4,
> VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>
> Gary Schneider
> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>
> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)* <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>
>
> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
> annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
> we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
> be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
> racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
> we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
> year...
>
> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
> thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
> have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
> 2021 and beyond.
>
> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to
> be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>
>
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Sat May 16 19:19:29 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:19:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 

The car count looks about half of normal.

A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 

California has not ?Reopened?...

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>> 
>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 16 21:22:46 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
> 
> The car count looks about half of normal.
> 
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
> 
> California has not ?Reopened?...
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>>>> 
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 16 21:22:46 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
In-Reply-To: <A329F34B-FF70-4CFB-ADC8-AD3930DE9D00@gmail.com>
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The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
> 
> The car count looks about half of normal.
> 
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
> 
> California has not ?Reopened?...
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>>>> 
>>>> Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 121 Drivers Edge, Traverse City, Michigan 49684, USA. Report abuse.
>>>> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun May 17 06:22:52 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:22:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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References: <A329F34B-FF70-4CFB-ADC8-AD3930DE9D00@gmail.com>
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Some good news, Watkins Glen can re open on June 1st.

New York will allow motor sports at Watkins Glen International raceway and
horse racing at tracks across the state to proceed without spectators
beginning June 1, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday.

mike h

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:23 PM Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?]
> hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the
> law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers
> usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some
> states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in
> section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the
> basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time
> before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is
> a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to
> delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses,
> until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and
> parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race
> or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.
> Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus
> symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot
> dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but
> to escort you out.
>
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
>
> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.
>
> The car count looks about half of normal.
>
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held.
>
> California has not ?Reopened?...
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one
> of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is
>> opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4,
>> VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: *Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)* <autopilot at motorsportreg.com
>> >
>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
>> annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
>> we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
>> be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
>> racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
>> we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
>> year...
>>
>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
>> thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
>> have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
>> 2021 and beyond.
>>
>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to
>> be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>
>>
>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com,
>> subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe
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>>
>>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun May 17 07:05:48 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:05:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
In-Reply-To: <d016a404-7edd-42da-76ce-4e873ac5c590@bright.net>
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Ok folks, shirts are now on order. We drug our feet as long as we could before actually pulling the trigger to see what was going to happen but if we were going to have the shirts ready for the Mid-Ohio race we had to start the ball rolling now. So, all of you that have ordered shirts it is now time to contact Ted and make arrangements for payments.  See below for instructions from Ted, he spells it out pretty clearly. They are going to be awesome. A big thanks to Jim Hassall for handling the coordination of the orders!


 It is time
for members to get payment and pick-up/shipping info to me.
Visa/MasterCard, Discover, PayPal (call/email us for details on using
PayPal).  Need name, card number & expiration date and billing address
if different from shipping address and email address. Will email buyers
invoice with total amount. Our FAX is MIA so call or email.  Contact
details on signature line of this email.

 Ted

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 17 07:11:00 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:11:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
Message-ID: <A4B6075D-89E3-4069-84B3-FEB7E694694E@gmail.com>

Clark Lincoln on artwork?

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 17, 2020, at 8:07 AM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun May 17 07:25:33 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:25:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
In-Reply-To: <A4B6075D-89E3-4069-84B3-FEB7E694694E@gmail.com>
References: <A4B6075D-89E3-4069-84B3-FEB7E694694E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB45148006A2AFBA241856F84DBABB0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Duh, I was so focused on the current state of the shirts I forgot how the whole shirt project started. Yes, without Clark the whole shirt thing would have never happened. Thanks Clark (and thanks Joe for pointing out my omission).

Marty

________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 9:11 AM
To: marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts

Clark Lincoln on artwork?

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 17, 2020, at 8:07 AM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
_______________________________________________
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 17 07:33:53 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clark
Message-ID: <A3598435-3DD2-48EB-A49C-BB2EBFAC7C58@gmail.com>

I hope my message to you didn?t go back thru the FOT.

I didn?t mean it to.

And I was also thinking of that unfortunate dust up between Clark & Jerry.

What a strange year.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711



From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sun May 17 08:32:30 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 14:32:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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 some things that a lot of people are forgetting is there are actually two factors that will drive entry numbers this year - 1) as we all know is the bug? 2) is the financial impact that so many are facing - racing is far down on the list of necessary (I know it is to all of us) items, its mostly paid for by extra cash we might have saved, found, got lucky in the lottery or whatever, if not affected directly (we all are with higher prices) we have a close friend or family member who is - this will take a looong time to fix itself - the lockdowns are killing business all over the map, this affects all of us in a direct way - more prices will go up (less competition or just plain gouging) and we all know taxes will be killer before too long, more in some states than others - unfortunately I'm sure entries for all events will suffer for a few years

    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 07:24:48 AM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Some good news, Watkins Glen can re open?on?June 1st.
New York will allow motor sports at?Watkins Glen International raceway and horse racing at tracks across the state to proceed without spectators beginning June 1, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday.??

mike h
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:23 PM Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).? Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.? If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.? Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad

On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.?
The car count looks about half of normal.
A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held.?
California has not ?Reopened?...

Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)<autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.? We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...?

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.? There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...

?
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From paulricco at att.net  Sun May 17 12:06:01 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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FOT,

Dale - Thank you for the insights below.  They are helpful.

It is sad to hear of the cancellations.  Good for VARA making it possible to allow people a choice.  Those that feel comfortable going to track can go, and those who do not can choose not to go.  Sounds American to me.

We own a business that has been damaged by many of the decisions that that the government has made.  

The two previously stated reason for registrations being down in this thread:  Financial and Fear of COVID.

There are more reasons fo it, than just those two.

We have a 3rd reason for not registering: The policies and procedures that are having to be put in place for an event to happen. 

We have a lot of respect for the race organizers at SVRA, VSCDA, Midwest Council and a few others.  They are dealing with a lot to make events a possibility.

However, we feel that the insurance companies, the government agencies and others are really over reaching with some of the policies that they are recommending or forcing on business owners.  Therefore, we are not entering events until all of this settles down.  We value our time at the track very highly.  We enjoy the track time and we especially the time with people whose company we really enjoy.  We feel that the polices that are in place will detract greatly from both of those things happening.

Again, we do not fault the organizations for what they are doing.  We just will not participate based on some of the procedures and polices being put in place.

Hopefully, there are brighter times ahead for those of who enjoy motorsports.  Kind of like the golfers that we see out on courses when we drive-by courses in the area (BTW-We do not play golf).  Seems like Covid does not exist for those who play golf, it is business as usual for them.

Look forward to seeing people at the track in the future.

Paul Ricco

> On May 16, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
>> 
>> The car count looks about half of normal.
>> 
>> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
>> 
>> California has not ?Reopened?...
>> 
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com <http://motorsportreg.com/>) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com <mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>> 
>>>>  
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 14:52:46 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 20:52:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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 I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.

I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 

Gary

    On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?). ?Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed. ?If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises. ?Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad



On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 




  
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 16:56:21 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk.  Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts).  Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches.  The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

>> On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ?
> I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.
> 
> I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf>
> <2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 16:56:21 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk.  Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts).  Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches.  The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

>> On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ?
> I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.
> 
> I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf>
> <2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 18:47:17 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 00:47:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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Dale,
The insurance-required waiver does not seem to be your main issue. All Covid19-related procedures are at the behest of the state and the track owner and are required to be enforced by the sponsoring clubs. No track owner or club can take a chance on being found to operate illegally. None of us have a choice in this matter, there is no negotiation involved (esp. since schedules are overfilled): you can follow track rules or not have an event. If you are going racing this year, you are going to find new constraints everywhere in the country. The VSCDA Covid document closely mirrors SCCA, Midwestern Council, AMA  and SVRA guidelines. 

Gary


    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 5:56:27 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle <dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk. ?Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts). ?Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches. ?The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad

On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:



? I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.

I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 

Gary

    On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?). ?Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed. ?If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises. ?Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad



On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 




  <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf><2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
  
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sun May 17 20:40:42 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 02:40:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
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John, Henry:
You asked me to take a look at the VARAC release. I generally agree with Dale?s analysis of the waiver, and as Gary observed, all but Section 1 is what insurance companies have been asking us to sign over the years.  First let?s all understand that waviers/releases/covenants not so sue relating to events which are to happen in the future are generally enforceable except for acts on the part of the releases of reckless, intentional or gross negligence.  (in other words some act on the part of the sanctioning body and its agents which no reasonable person would have anticipated to expose themselves to by entering the event)  Other than Section 1, the release is over-broad on purpose placing layers of attempted release language which can be used by defense counsel (of which I am one) to delay and as a result increase the costs of pursuing litigation against the sanctioning body.  It also plants in the participant?s mind that it would be useless to attempt action for injuries he/she may have received.  (By mentioning increased costs, I would comment that these could be in the tens of thousands of dollars)
            Now, let?s talk about Section 1.  First, set the stage.  All scientific information available to us today says that for us to practice safety from the virus we should shelter at home, practice social distances of 6 feet from other individuals while on necessary trips to obtain essential items such as food etc. and wear a mask when near others.  In addition the states have instituted various executive orders declaring what enterprises are safe conduct in the virus infected atmosphere.  Participating in racing events to my knowledge is not one of them.   In the face of these facts come VSCDA, SVRA, SCCA and perhaps others who wish to stage events where hundreds of people will mingle with one another and compete in a relatively limited area.  On the question of whether their desires to stage these events are as a result of the overwhelming clamor from their members to stage events in this virus pandemic or because of their own financial interests I will not opine.  So, how do these sanctioning bodies entice people to disobey the advice of the scientific community and attend their events?  They come up with a long list of things, changes to normal policy, that they are going to enforce in order to make it safe for you to come to their event. No driver?s meeting, no social events, sanitizing this thing and that thing, pages of actions that they will take to make it safe for you to attend their event.  But how do the sanctioning bodies protect themselves from the claims of people who relied on their representations that it would be safe to attend their events who do in fact become infected with the virus or some other injury?  Enter Section 1 which, in spite of the sanction bodies representations of safety,  places the burden on you to determine whether you ?feel safe? to be at the event.  There is also the issue of what responsibility would be attributed to you should you be a carrier of the virus which infected another person?  It has never been clear to me whether these sanctioning bodies carry participant liability insurance or whether such off track liability would be covered, but you should be aware of this potential liability as well.  Whether Section 1 would be enforceable given the representations of safety made by the sanctioning bodies would be an issue, but here again an issue which could cost you thousands of dollars to try and overcome in a court of law.
            Again, I do not opine on whether the sanctioning bodies should be encouraging people to enter their events or whether it is reasonable and one should, as the release states, ?feel safe? under the present conditions to participate in these events.  It?s entirely up to you.
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From: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:05 PM
To: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled

Here is the adult waiver.  John, I hope you are safe and healthy.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:14 PM John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com<mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com>> wrote:
Send me a copy & I?ll look it over....even if the event is on, where do we eat?.. the host hotel is closed now & not certain about the future ...7 1/2 drive with no rest rooms open...@ 84 I am really beginning to wonder if it?s worth taking a chance on getting what could well be my death warrant.  I am also told that Kastner is not coming, so what?s the point of it?
Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2020, at 4:30 PM, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>> wrote:
?
The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net<mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.

Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary Schneider
Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


Can mid Ohio be far behind?
Sent from my iPhone


On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com<mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>


After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...


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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 18 12:50:00 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 14:50:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
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Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Dale Oesterle <dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: May 18, 2020 at 2:46:36 PM EDT
> To: "John H. Hasty" <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
> Subject: Re:  [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
> 
> ?John, the analysis gets very complicated in a hurry.  You assume only club, track and safety worker defendants. The waiver protects drivers and their crew as well as the club and track from participant lawsuits. A driver defendant may lose the protection if he/she 1) does not feel safe and runs anyway and if 2) the driver does not follow anything in the complex new package of safety rules (which may include an implied duty to rat on other participants who do not follow all the rules).  This is not good.  Best practice is an Indy style waiver and a separate agreement on new safety rules with specified penalties for breach.
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 10:42 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> John, Henry: 
>> You asked me to take a look at the VARAC release. I generally agree with Dale?s analysis of the waiver, and as Gary observed, all but Section 1 is what insurance companies have been asking us to sign over the years.  First let?s all understand that waviers/releases/covenants not so sue relating to events which are to happen in the future are generally enforceable except for acts on the part of the releases of reckless, intentional or gross negligence.  (in other words some act on the part of the sanctioning body and its agents which no reasonable person would have anticipated to expose themselves to by entering the event)  Other than Section 1, the release is over-broad on purpose placing layers of attempted release language which can be used by defense counsel (of which I am one) to delay and as a result increase the costs of pursuing litigation against the sanctioning body.  It also plants in the participant?s mind that it would be useless to attempt action for injuries he/she may have received.  (By mentioning increased costs, I would comment that these could be in the tens of thousands of dollars)
>>             Now, let?s talk about Section 1.  First, set the stage.  All scientific information available to us today says that for us to practice safety from the virus we should shelter at home, practice social distances of 6 feet from other individuals while on necessary trips to obtain essential items such as food etc. and wear a mask when near others.  In addition the states have instituted various executive orders declaring what enterprises are safe conduct in the virus infected atmosphere.  Participating in racing events to my knowledge is not one of them.   In the face of these facts come VSCDA, SVRA, SCCA and perhaps others who wish to stage events where hundreds of people will mingle with one another and compete in a relatively limited area.  On the question of whether their desires to stage these events are as a result of the overwhelming clamor from their members to stage events in this virus pandemic or because of their own financial interests I will not opine.  So, how do these sanctioning bodies entice people to disobey the advice of the scientific community and attend their events?  They come up with a long list of things, changes to normal policy, that they are going to enforce in order to make it safe for you to come to their event. No driver?s meeting, no social events, sanitizing this thing and that thing, pages of actions that they will take to make it safe for you to attend their event.  But how do the sanctioning bodies protect themselves from the claims of people who relied on their representations that it would be safe to attend their events who do in fact become infected with the virus or some other injury?  Enter Section 1 which, in spite of the sanction bodies representations of safety,  places the burden on you to determine whether you ?feel safe? to be at the event.  There is also the issue of what responsibility would be attributed to you should you be a carrier of the virus which infected another person?  It has never been clear to me whether these sanctioning bodies carry participant liability insurance or whether such off track liability would be covered, but you should be aware of this potential liability as well.  Whether Section 1 would be enforceable given the representations of safety made by the sanctioning bodies would be an issue, but here again an issue which could cost you thousands of dollars to try and overcome in a court of law.
>>             Again, I do not opine on whether the sanctioning bodies should be encouraging people to enter their events or whether it is reasonable and one should, as the release states, ?feel safe? under the present conditions to participate in these events.  It?s entirely up to you.
>> <image001.png>
>>  
>> John H. Hasty
>> Attorney at Law
>> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
>> 301 S. York St.,
>> P.O. Box 488
>> Gastonia, NC 28053
>> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
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>>  
>> From: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:05 PM
>> To: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>  
>> Here is the adult waiver.  John, I hope you are safe and healthy.  
>>  
>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:14 PM John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
>> Send me a copy & I?ll look it over....even if the event is on, where do we eat?.. the host hotel is closed now & not certain about the future ...7 1/2 drive with no rest rooms open...@ 84 I am really beginning to wonder if it?s worth taking a chance on getting what could well be my death warrant.  I am also told that Kastner is not coming, so what?s the point of it?  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 4:30 PM, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>>  
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>  
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>  
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>  
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>  
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>  
>> 
>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>> 
>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>> 
>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Mon May 18 14:59:27 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 16:59:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Roller for sale
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FOT, another Spring project for someone interested. 

     I am selling the former Abacus Racing BRG TR3 (TS57917L).  There was a
video of Mike Jackson and Bill Thummel racing at Mid Ohio posted here
earlier in the year.  Bill won the race on Sat but Mike took it on Sunday.
It has a ready to assemble engine and a non-overdrive gearbox, with stock
TR3 rear end.  It has 5 good panasport wheels.  

     Abacus took a clean no rust street car and converted it for vintage
racing in 1991.  The SVRA logbook shows 28 races from 1991 to 1997.  Abacus
then took the engine and gearbox for their TR4.  The car sat in a dry garage
until I purchased it last year.  I intended to make a race car for my son in
law and my grandson, or even turn it back to a streetcar.  I have since
found some Turners that I think will be better for them, and the TR3 is now
available with parts. 

     I purchased a ready to assemble engine from Dave Spiwak and that will
go with the car for what I paid Dave (list attached)

     It comes with a very nice sandblasted and painted TR3 frame.  

     It has a New Mexico title.  

     The car looks solid, and has a heavy sway bar in the front.  All
instruments are there, including an overdrive button on the steering wheel.
There is a small dent in the left rear fender which looks like it can be
banged out.  I have a fiberglass tunnel.  The roll bar includes door impact
protection.  

     Abacus was very successful with the car.  More info and photos
available.

     Roller and frame for $5500.  Engine ready to assemble $5000 (pls see
attachment - I paid $5K, Dave spent $7721), and the additional below parts I
purchased from Dave ($535):

Fidanza flywheel $200

Tilton clutch $150

Starter $70

Auto Pro Rev Limiter $15

Detroit Locker $100

      I was quoted $1000 to $1500 for engine assembly by Abacus Machine
shop.  Car needs a fuel cell, tires, brake rebuild, and normal stuff done
after a car has been sitting.

     Car and frame are in Va Bch, engine parts are still in PA and I will
pick up or have shipped as soon as Dave can get home.  

     So everything totals $11,350.  I prefer it all to go together.  Anyone
interested?

     Thanks, Hank

     

Hank Giffin

757-375-1491

 

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon May 18 16:23:56 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:23:56 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass of bourbon calling my name...?..


Marty
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 16:34:18 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 17:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2ea1pPNmP7ovQpXY8ZoDdtjw5aOBDzumoMogUYPgiWxFUw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
the punches.

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>
>
> Marty
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon May 18 16:38:15 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 16:38:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <a2a71e98-5b81-dabb-0979-da7ac702a71a@bradakis.com>

Sounds quite confusing.? At the moment I'm about 80% convinced I should 
stay home and work on my own cars.? But this could very well be one not 
to miss.? Not sure how my friend in Indianapolis is feeling about 
tagging along and making a road trip of it.? If I do attend it may be 
fly in to the closest airport, stay in the motel and fly out Sunday 
evening.? If I do show up and get in as a crew member, I promise to do 
at least activity that a crew member might do, like check tire pressure, 
wipe oil off a wrench, or get the charcoal lit for grilling dinner.

mjb.



From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 16:50:28 2020
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 18:50:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <CAJRV2ea1pPNmP7ovQpXY8ZoDdtjw5aOBDzumoMogUYPgiWxFUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAJRV2ea1pPNmP7ovQpXY8ZoDdtjw5aOBDzumoMogUYPgiWxFUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG9YvYM7C-iUVO=b6zWboPj+sm+WNjj-igPLRdMo=ajuHp2A2g@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed - hear hear Marty! we're rooting for you and Kastner Cup 2020!

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
> think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
> the punches.
>
> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
> Iowa British Car Club
> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
> 515-339-4228
>
>
> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
>> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
>> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
>> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
>> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
>> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
>> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
>> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
>> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
>> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
>> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
>> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>>
>>
>> Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Mon May 18 17:15:29 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 19:15:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <CAG9YvYM7C-iUVO=b6zWboPj+sm+WNjj-igPLRdMo=ajuHp2A2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO0FjVZ6HjH52O70Dw8P7qw_kpJD+ROAW_j8o5PSkG-GxmE6Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Make this happen, my wife is looking forward to me being out of her hair
for a couple of days.

mike h

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Agreed - hear hear Marty! we're rooting for you and Kastner Cup 2020!
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
>> think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
>> the punches.
>>
>> Shawn Frank
>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
>> Iowa British Car Club
>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
>> 515-339-4228
>>
>>
>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
>>> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
>>> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
>>> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
>>> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
>>> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
>>> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
>>> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
>>> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
>>> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
>>> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
>>> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>>>
>>>
>>> Marty
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage <http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage>:
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Mon May 18 19:15:26 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 21:15:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
In-Reply-To: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
References: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>

HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific
to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They
also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john styduhar

2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation


The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage
racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race
tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at
Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and
social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.


Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the
Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee
series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not
easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet
dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.


Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the
Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a
race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster
track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will
once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American
Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.


Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You
simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging
wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We
hope to see you there!


REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/>

Stacey Donato

Office Manager

[image: VSCDA Logo]

*Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association*

*1600 W. Market Street*

*Logansport, IN  46947*

*Office 616-916-2650 *

*Cell 574-721-1109*

*FAX 574-753-4115*


To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the
following link
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From paulricco at att.net  Mon May 18 21:07:22 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>

John,

I agree with you.  Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms.  I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality.  They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far. 

We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down.  We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going. 

We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there.   So we will wait and see before we start spending money. 

Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> john styduhar
> 
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
> 
>  
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
> 
>  
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
> 
>  
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
> 
>  
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!
> 
>  
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE
> 
> Stacey Donato
> Office Manager
> 
> Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association
> 1600 W. Market Street
> Logansport, IN  46947
> Office 616-916-2650
> Cell 574-721-1109
> FAX 574-753-4115
> 
> To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the following link 
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From paulricco at att.net  Mon May 18 21:07:22 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>

John,

I agree with you.  Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms.  I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality.  They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far. 

We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down.  We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going. 

We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there.   So we will wait and see before we start spending money. 

Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> john styduhar
> 
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
> 
>  
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
> 
>  
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
> 
>  
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
> 
>  
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!
> 
>  
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE
> 
> Stacey Donato
> Office Manager
> 
> Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association
> 1600 W. Market Street
> Logansport, IN  46947
> Office 616-916-2650
> Cell 574-721-1109
> FAX 574-753-4115
> 
> To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the following link 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May 18 23:50:19 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:50:19 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
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As owner of an international racing license I need a medical check yearly and a cardio check all 2 years.

The order form of the license has to be signed by a doctor.

The good thing?..it forces men to visit doctors and if you?re there you can use the visits for more tests?.like blood tests, cancer and stuff like that.

 

Without the racing license I wouldn?t have seen a doc for years.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von John Styduhar via Fot
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Mai 2020 03:15
An: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

 

 

HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org <mailto:vscda at mail.vscda.org> >
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com> >

 



john styduhar

2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation

  

The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.

  

Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.

  

Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.

  

Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!

  

REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/> 

Stacey Donato

Office Manager

Fehler! Es wurde kein Dateiname angegeben.

Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association

1600 W. Market Street

Logansport, IN  46947

Office 616-916-2650 

Cell 574-721-1109

FAX 574-753-4115


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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 06:07:32 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:07:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <002001d62da1$617a06e0$246e14a0$@gmail.com>
References: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
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I started racing at age 40, about the time I had to give up on playing
basketball and softball due to accumulated injuries. I hadn't had a
physical in many years, just surgical patch jobs on a couple of joints.
These days licensing requires an annual physical and EKG and I have no
complaints. Racing changed my life for the better in a lot of ways and
watching my health is one of them.

After that first physical they put me on a statin drug for high Cholesterol
and later high blood pressure medicine. I did not like being on a statin so
I changed my diet, started taking an herbal supplement  and got my
cholesterol  under control to get off the drug. Due to family history of
heart issues I still have to take HBP medicine.  I started cycling about 10
years later and fixed both.

There is a book out there called "Younger Next Year".  I highly
recommend it.

Bob Kramer


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:58 AM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> As owner of an international racing license I need a medical check yearly
> and a cardio check all 2 years.
>
> The order form of the license has to be signed by a doctor.
>
> The good thing?..it forces men to visit doctors and if you?re there you
> can use the visits for more tests?.like blood tests, cancer and stuff like
> that.
>
>
>
> Without the racing license I wouldn?t have seen a doc for years.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *John Styduhar
> via Fot
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 19. Mai 2020 03:15
> *An:* Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
> open
>
>
>
>
>
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"
> specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to
> participation.   They also want permission to access your health
> information.  Not on my life!
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association* <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>
>
>
> [image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]
>
> john styduhar
>
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
>
>
>
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage
> racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race
> tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at
> Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and
> social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
>
>
>
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the
> Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee
> series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not
> easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet
> dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
>
>
>
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the
> Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a
> race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster
> track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will
> once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American
> Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
>
>
>
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You
> simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging
> wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We
> hope to see you there!
>
>
>
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/>
>
> Stacey Donato
>
> Office Manager
>
> *Fehler! Es wurde kein Dateiname angegeben.*
>
> *Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association*
>
> *1600 W. Market Street*
>
> *Logansport, IN  46947*
>
> *Office 616-916-2650 *
>
> *Cell 574-721-1109*
>
> *FAX 574-753-4115*
>
>
> To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the
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From billdentin at aol.com  Tue May 19 08:14:48 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:14:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
Message-ID: <74520295.1466516.1589897688408@mail.yahoo.com>

Paul...
As one of the earliest VSCDA members, I recall their Medical Form was meant to get a respected medical expert (a doctor) to say, "I know of no medical reasons that should prevent this VSCDA member from racing.".? I remember thinking, "Who the hell would want to sign that?"? But they did.
Now, if VSCDA is going to start second guessing these "experts", I wonder if it is something their insurance carrier is encouraging.? Regardless, they're opening a can of worms.? My guess is there is one (or several) people they are worried about.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.? Certainly a member with boarderline medicals can find some doctor, somewhere to sign his form.? If the Board feels qualified to second guess this stuff, they must feel it is important, because when you start drawing such lines (not accepting signed medicals), you've opened a can of worms.
Bill Dentinger


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

John,
I agree with you. ?Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms. ?I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality. ?They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far.?
We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down. ?We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going.?
We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there. ? So we will wait and see before we start spending money.?
Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"? specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.? ?They also want permission to access your health information.? Not on my life!
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john?styduhar2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation?The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.?Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.?Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.?Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!?REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HEREStacey DonatoOffice ManagerVintage Sports Car Drivers Association1600 W. Market StreetLogansport, IN? 46947Office 616-916-2650 Cell 574-721-1109FAX 574-753-4115
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From billdentin at aol.com  Tue May 19 08:14:48 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:14:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
Message-ID: <74520295.1466516.1589897688408@mail.yahoo.com>

Paul...
As one of the earliest VSCDA members, I recall their Medical Form was meant to get a respected medical expert (a doctor) to say, "I know of no medical reasons that should prevent this VSCDA member from racing.".? I remember thinking, "Who the hell would want to sign that?"? But they did.
Now, if VSCDA is going to start second guessing these "experts", I wonder if it is something their insurance carrier is encouraging.? Regardless, they're opening a can of worms.? My guess is there is one (or several) people they are worried about.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.? Certainly a member with boarderline medicals can find some doctor, somewhere to sign his form.? If the Board feels qualified to second guess this stuff, they must feel it is important, because when you start drawing such lines (not accepting signed medicals), you've opened a can of worms.
Bill Dentinger


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

John,
I agree with you. ?Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms. ?I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality. ?They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far.?
We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down. ?We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going.?
We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there. ? So we will wait and see before we start spending money.?
Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"? specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.? ?They also want permission to access your health information.? Not on my life!
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john?styduhar2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation?The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.?Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.?Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.?Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!?REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HEREStacey DonatoOffice ManagerVintage Sports Car Drivers Association1600 W. Market StreetLogansport, IN? 46947Office 616-916-2650 Cell 574-721-1109FAX 574-753-4115
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Tue May 19 08:22:52 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:22:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions
Message-ID: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>

Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.

Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?




https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 08:55:59 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 08:55:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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Message-ID: <a6c38029-558c-84b6-8298-2a0402edc336@bradakis.com>

On 5/19/20 8:22 AM, J Wagner via Fot wrote:
> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
>
Maybe not a Triumph guy, but a Ferrari guy with 3 Testa Rosas ?

mjb.




From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue May 19 09:44:05 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 08:44:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
In-Reply-To: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
References: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2768FBD0-8A03-48B1-8F76-6219D0B06F8E@ponostyle.com>

I?ve had a few, but it?s not me. 

> On May 19, 2020, at 7:22 AM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
> 
> Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/
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> 
> 



From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 19 11:34:06 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:34:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6408189A937A0D879E986D1ABA080@CH2PR02MB6408.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR04MB6126E92FAEADBC4640E10F2BBA4B0@MN2PR04MB6126.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
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Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.

Marty



From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: FOT SWAG


Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.


Give it a try.


Marty Sukey


1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/

2, set up an account for yourself and log in.

3, pick an item you might want.

4, click on apply logo,

5, select the FOT logo,

6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.

7, select location.

8, hit apply logo.

9, hit cancel or add to bag.

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue May 19 12:43:15 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:43:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514B5995146506B37BE882FBAB90@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR04MB6126E92FAEADBC4640E10F2BBA4B0@MN2PR04MB6126.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
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 <BN8PR02MB5860A5A80DDD7C45F5045092BA460@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"
Thanks Marty, nice idea

mike
[image: P1014738.JPG]

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols
> currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask
> be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with
> what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you
> don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka
> draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you!
> Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End
> storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT
> insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask
> but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in
> case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log
> in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you
> need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay
> attention.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
> *From:* marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* FOT SWAG
>
>
> Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There
> is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the
> instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered
> on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am
> starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012
> special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is
> pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends
> Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of
> all you can return things.
>
>
> Give it a try.
>
>
> Marty Sukey
>
>
> 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/
>
> 2, set up an account for yourself and log in.
>
> 3, pick an item you might want.
>
> 4, click on apply logo,
>
> 5, select the FOT logo,
>
> 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing
> colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If
> you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try
> putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then
> you can tweak it as needed.
>
> 7, select location.
>
> 8, hit apply logo.
>
> 9, hit cancel or add to bag.
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 19 14:44:28 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:44:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVY8FMZ4JFHiDMUm9sfq3m90aMr-ARBGgbA7EVYLVnXZWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 Only if you're in the pre-war group Gary

    On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:00:07 PM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"Thanks Marty, nice idea

mike

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the?virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers? babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!? I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.? So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.? Log in and just type? "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.
Marty


From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: FOT SWAG?
Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability? of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.




Give it a try.




Marty Sukey?




1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/

2, set up an account for yourself and log in.

3, pick an item you might want.

4, click on apply logo,

5, select the FOT logo,

6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better??????suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.

7, select location.

8, hit apply logo.

9, hit cancel or add to bag.

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue May 19 16:27:29 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:27:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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It says it has a new chassis & suspension. I would have to ask why.



 

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of J Wagner via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:23 AM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions

 

Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.

 

Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?

 

 

 

 

 <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/

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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue May 19 17:48:38 2020
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 19:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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Lol.   
I raced one of those around Mont Tremblant a couple years back.    Although I had a blast, some of the other cars/drivers didn?t. 

Enough said. 
Todd



> On May 19, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> It says it has a new chassis & suspension. I would have to ask why.
> <image001.jpg>
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of J Wagner via Fot
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:23 AM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions
>  
> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
>  
> Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?
>  
>  
>  
>  
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 17:48:47 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:48:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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Reminds me of the first Utah Fast Pass event back in 2006.? High dollar 
cars, low talent drivers.? Wonder why the unlimited high speed event was 
removed from subsequent events?

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue May 19 18:55:59 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
Darwin at work

mike h

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 8:00 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Reminds me of the first Utah Fast Pass event back in 2006.  High dollar
> cars, low talent drivers.  Wonder why the unlimited high speed event was
> removed from subsequent events?
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 19:27:49 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 19:27:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
> Darwin at work

There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route 
we picked out.? My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.? 
We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this 
spot.? And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown 
Vic along the route seemed fine.? But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.

The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.? 
About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.? It 
finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.? The event was a 
fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund 
or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance 
to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker 
on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph 
clocked at the finish.? After already shelling out something like 5 
grand for the entry fee.

Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off 
in the Enzo.? We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, 
and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.? A 
rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's 
position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.? The spotter who saw it 
at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when 
the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different 
direction than the rest of the car.? So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 
7 times.? At 200 mph.? The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks 
scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.? Left 
rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.? But as 
you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon 
fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.? Some fine engineering.? 
Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect 
given the details of the mishap.

And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back 
together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land 
speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.

And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the 
event the following year.

mjb.




From kkjjk at aol.com  Tue May 19 19:52:47 2020
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 01:52:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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Message-ID: <1972102641.1969461.1589939567274@mail.yahoo.com>

 What a story!
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions

On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
> Darwin at work

There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route 
we picked out.? My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.? 
We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this 
spot.? And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown 
Vic along the route seemed fine.? But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.

The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.? 
About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.? It 
finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.? The event was a 
fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund 
or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance 
to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker 
on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph 
clocked at the finish.? After already shelling out something like 5 
grand for the entry fee.

Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off 
in the Enzo.? We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, 
and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.? A 
rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's 
position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.? The spotter who saw it 
at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when 
the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different 
direction than the rest of the car.? So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 
7 times.? At 200 mph.? The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks 
scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.? Left 
rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.? But as 
you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon 
fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.? Some fine engineering.? 
Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect 
given the details of the mishap.

And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back 
together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land 
speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.

And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the 
event the following year.

mjb.


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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue May 19 19:58:00 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
In-Reply-To: <c261eea0-c975-afbf-33e5-f2349bef1ad8@bradakis.com>
References: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
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The guy had seat covers installed.  Duh.  He was trying to preserve the condition of the seats.  Well, after the brown stained covers were removed they were still like new.  The rest of the car was scrap.  
Dave H. 
Sent from my iPad

> On May 19, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
>> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
>> Darwin at work
> 
> There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route we picked out.  My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.  We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this spot.  And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown Vic along the route seemed fine.  But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.
> 
> The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.  About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.  It finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.  The event was a fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph clocked at the finish.  After already shelling out something like 5 grand for the entry fee.
> 
> Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off in the Enzo.  We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.  A rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.  The spotter who saw it at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different direction than the rest of the car.  So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 7 times.  At 200 mph.  The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.  Left rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.  But as you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.  Some fine engineering.  Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect given the details of the mishap.
> 
> And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.
> 
> And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the event the following year.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue May 19 21:08:04 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <784348971.1742326.1589921068913@mail.yahoo.com>
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Balaclavas for all!

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Gary Schneider via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Only if you're in the pre-war group 
> Gary
> 
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:00:07 PM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"
> Thanks Marty, nice idea
> 
> mike
> <P1014738.JPG>
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.
> 
> Marty
> 
> 
> 
> From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: FOT SWAG
>  
> Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.
> 
> 
> 
> Give it a try.
> 
> 
> 
> Marty Sukey 
> 
> 
> 
> 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/
> 
> 2, set up an account for yourself and log in.
> 
> 3, pick an item you might want.
> 
> 4, click on apply logo,
> 
> 5, select the FOT logo,
> 
> 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.
> 
> 7, select location.
> 
> 8, hit apply logo.
> 
> 9, hit cancel or add to bag.
> 
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May 20 06:09:29 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:09:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Summary of "Rope Seal Alternatives"
References: <675400076.1392987.1589976569010.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Thanks for all who replied. ?There were a number of good suggestions, including a validation/clarification of the factory approach by Kas. ?That's in the book recommended by Joe Alexander (that book also discusses at 290 HP TR2....!)
Several of you replied only to me. ?There was a request to know all the responses, and a failure on my part to get my email to include the entire chain of responses in anything I sent out (as far as I can tell, anyway). Because this particular chain might prove helpful and ought to be included in any future books on TR prep, I compiled all the responses and their authors, in a pdf document, ?Please find it attached.
I should clarify at this point that I was seeking to avoid the mess made by the Aviation Cement during assembly. ?A number of responses went, quite naturally, to avoiding the mess of the oil leaks themselves. ?My concern was that I was re-assembling the bottom end with cylinders and pistons and rings all in place. ?I had nightmares of the aviation cement dripping down into the cylinder/piston space and fouling the ring pack. ?Hopefully I avoided that....
Hope to see you all in Ohio. ?We'll have a fun time trying to guess who we're talking to as we will be masked. ?Heck, I can't remember names even without masks.....
Thanks again, Amici!
Phil Gott
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 20 10:24:41 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 16:24:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Jack Stand Recall
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420BBF937233FB9ED8365B9E1B60@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I'm sure we're all getting this from every angle today, but ...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a32600586/harbor-freight-jack-stands-recalled-for-risk-of-collapsing/?fbclid=IwAR1xworyzT5N0DZLL3UYEkvHl1weR4tIjO6w7sjlqsK3BRmSADHxAqd-wRI<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.roadandtrack.com%2Fcar-culture%2Fbuying-maintenance%2Fa32600586%2Fharbor-freight-jack-stands-recalled-for-risk-of-collapsing%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1xworyzT5N0DZLL3UYEkvHl1weR4tIjO6w7sjlqsK3BRmSADHxAqd-wRI&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce84b54bf98c14be4b63508d7fcce86c6%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637255836273407358&sdata=%2F0tJVl7wlI6V4rgYKBCz9jWvleNj6DTKdTT%2F0MhpQuM%3D&reserved=0>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu May 21 12:19:47 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:19:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.




From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu May 21 13:22:06 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:22:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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 Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think that there would be much discussion about the event.(maybe I'm not and there is)
Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk category, concern is obviously justified.On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this event unique.
Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if postponing the event is possible?Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
Glen
Battle of Britain Racing
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18

I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.


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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu May 21 13:43:30 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:43:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
Message-ID: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com>

Something I have wondered about for years.

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to 
that question.

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu May 21 13:53:34 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:53:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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 I don't know that it would affect RPM but the harmonics are very complex and there are different types/levels/orders; I can't see how that big heavy mass spinning on the back of the shaft can't help but affect things, torsional loads at the least, but I can't even spell injuneer...A smart person will jump in here and answer that one!Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 3:43 pm
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

  Something I have wondered about for years. Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. TeriAnn
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu May 21 14:10:33 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:10:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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On 5/21/20 12:50 PM, Steven Belfer wrote:
> A heavier flywheel just takes a bit longer to get up to the higher 
> revs but the total max rpm is the same. If it is balanced properly, 
> there is no change to vibration. Most race cars utilize a harmonic 
> balancer to absorb those strange vibrations
I think the harmonic balancer is specifically to address the big 
harmonic at around 5200 ish RPM. What happens to the crank harmonics 
when the weight at the back of the crank changes?
>
>> On May 21, 2020, at 12:43 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Something I have wondered about for years.
>>
>> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
>> harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer 
>> to that question.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 14:24:42 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <1342797300.2008267.1590088926143@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Glen

There may be a few folks like me that are sitting back still hoping for the
best. I had been waiting until I found out if it was really going to
happen. I didn't expect that it would be hey, we can check that box. After
that, I had issues with taking time off from work because we split our team
to work every other day, alternating teams from home so we could protect
1/2 the team to operate the business in the case the other half got
quarantined. Fortunately that just ended but we did that with 15% reduction
in force and now I don't know if I can get away  with, or will be allowed
to take time off. After that I still have to decide if I am comfortable to
the string of hotels on a round trip from central Texas. As of now, if I
can get free from work I will go.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!
> I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think
> that there would be much discussion about the event.
> (maybe I'm not and there is)
> Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk
> category, concern is obviously justified.
> On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from
> overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number
> of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
> I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events
> but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this
> event unique.
> Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?
> I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure
> Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if
> postponing the event is possible?
> Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
> Glen
> Battle of Britain Racing
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
>
> I've decided to stay home.  Hope those who will still attend have great
> weekend.
>
> mjb.
>
>
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu May 21 14:36:38 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:36:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
References: <5220956E-91E7-4381-AC1D-B3D8E76809AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>


>> 
>> ?FOT:
>> 
>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner Cup. One is forthcoming.
>> 
>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to blink first.
>> 
>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone from attending or entering.  However:
>> 
>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
>> 
>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
>> 
>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new leadership. It is hoped that it will.
>> 
>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there electronically in the Hospitality Area.
>> 
>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of solid information.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 



From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 14:52:52 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:52:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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I?m in with both feet! ?But then I?m not really considered high risk... ? hope to see many of you at 6 feet distances!
Dave Gott and crew


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 4:32 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Glen
There may be a few folks like me that are sitting back still hoping for the best. I had been waiting until I found out if it was really?going to happen. I didn't expect that?it would be hey, we can check that box. After that, I had issues with taking time off from work because we split our team to work every other day, alternating teams from home so we could protect 1/2 the team to operate the business in the case the other half got quarantined. Fortunately that just ended but we did that with?15% reduction in force and now I don't know if I can get away? with, or will be allowed to take time off. After that I still have to decide if I am comfortable?to the string of hotels on a round trip from central Texas. As of now, if I can get free from work I will go.
Bob Kramer

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think that there would be much discussion about the event.(maybe I'm not and there is)
Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk category, concern is obviously justified.On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this event unique.
Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if postponing the event is possible?Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
Glen
Battle of Britain Racing
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18

I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.


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From steve at artwithcars.com  Thu May 21 14:53:29 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:53:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
In-Reply-To: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>
References: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>
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Due to the global pandemic, I?m not racing until further notice. I canceled my reservations To OH. I?m limiting my excursions to essentials only. 

~Steve Belfer 


> On May 21, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>>> 
>>> ?FOT:
>>> 
>>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner Cup. One is forthcoming.
>>> 
>>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to blink first.
>>> 
>>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone from attending or entering.  However:
>>> 
>>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
>>> 
>>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
>>> 
>>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new leadership. It is hoped that it will.
>>> 
>>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there electronically in the Hospitality Area.
>>> 
>>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of solid information.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
> 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 15:04:30 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 16:04:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
In-Reply-To: <786EB439-A24B-43FF-B7AE-3582A698CBC1@artwithcars.com>
References: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>
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Message-ID: <CABFvdWuibJLHzX3xjtF+9kn1d72-Dvkq_ksJuwHA4+yWG9mTwg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not surprised, you were exposed to some very aggressive and mobile
viral germ bombs at least 10 times.

[image: image.png]

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:53 PM Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Due to the global pandemic, I?m not racing until further notice. I
> canceled my reservations To OH. I?m limiting my excursions to essentials
> only.
>
> ~Steve Belfer
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> >>>
> >>> ?FOT:
> >>>
> >>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner
> Cup. One is forthcoming.
> >>>
> >>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the
> event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to
> blink first.
> >>>
> >>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone
> from attending or entering.  However:
> >>>
> >>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN
> IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
> >>>
> >>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will
> be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
> >>>
> >>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new
> leadership. It is hoped that it will.
> >>>
> >>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be
> limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence
> on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there
> electronically in the Hospitality Area.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of
> solid information.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Joe Alexander
> >>> 4505 Donald Dr
> >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> >>> The-vintage-racer.com
> >>> Gasketinnovations.com
> >>> Cell:  319.464.4711
> >>>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu May 21 15:29:16 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 21:29:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB45144F02216B1698476237CABAB70@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Glen and all, I hear your concerns. Let me say without hesitation that not an hour goes by each day that I don't worry the shit about this whole situation. In reality its probably more like 15 minutes. Joes earlier reply was spot on. The cliff notes version is if SVRA races next month at Mid-Ohio we are locked in. Spectators are still a subject of debate.  SVRA said no but it looks like the track has pulled rank as I expect they kind of like the gate revenue. So, if the race goes on some of us will be there and make due the best we can. Patience (and distance ) will be appreciated. I will post any updates as soon as I get them.

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu May 21 15:40:07 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 23:40:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21
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Her in Germany things are brightening up.

The infections are going down.

Not sure about the economic damage that will hit us.

 

Hope you folks around the planet stay safe and have fun.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von marty sukey via Fot
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2020 23:29
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21

 

Glen and all, I hear your concerns. Let me say without hesitation that not
an hour goes by each day that I don't worry the shit about this whole
situation. In reality its probably more like 15 minutes. Joes earlier reply
was spot on. The cliff notes version is if SVRA races next month at Mid-Ohio
we are locked in. Spectators are still a subject of debate.  SVRA said no
but it looks like the track has pulled rank as I expect they kind of like
the gate revenue. So, if the race goes on some of us will be there and make
due the best we can. Patience (and distance ) will be appreciated. I will
post any updates as soon as I get them.

 

Marty

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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May 21 17:11:35 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:11:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix 2020 canceled
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcEyTSxvozCHrTnKPmPpAM4TFnwx5_rTK-gKtYF15rc=tA@mail.gmail.com>

://
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From timmmurphh at gmail.com  Thu May 21 17:07:37 2020
From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 18:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Message-ID: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com>

 

 

From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

 

The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.  The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.  The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.  Inertia increases as the square of the radius.  It is not a linear function of the radius.

 

An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.  I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.  I have never seen a calculation for it.  It would be complex.  Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine.

 

Tim Murphy

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

 

Something I have wondered about for years.

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.

TeriAnn

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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu May 21 18:16:55 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially to us ?FOGs.?
A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks when not in our cars. For me that
means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever?
Thanks,
Phil



Sent from my iPhone


From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 21 19:17:07 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:17:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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Fair Question Phil:

?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good time. This can be one of those events.

?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio? would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the Kastner Cup.

So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it. 

It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.

It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t. But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.

The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other groups.

So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most Significant.

We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the paddock, and our friends at hand. 

What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially to us ?FOGs.?
> A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks when not in our cars. For me that
> means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> Thanks,
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu May 21 19:28:43 2020
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:28:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <40B64FF35A4D459D9A96C9AFB02DC8FA@Rocky>

An anti-fog spray is good. Both for glasses and visors.

https://www.amazon.com/Optix-55-Anti-Fog-Prevents-Binoculars/dp/B07P7J48VT

--Rocky Entriken

-----Original Message----- 
From: Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:16 PM
To: Friends Of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup

I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this 
will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal 
circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve 
attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a 
great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything 
in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially 
to us ?FOGs.?
A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I 
can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been 
canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks 
when not in our cars. For me that
means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most 
significant Kastner Cup ever?
Thanks,
Phil



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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 21 19:56:19 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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On my street TR4A, the harmonics came in about 2800 RPM and again at 5600 RPM.

It was an interesting sensation. Hard to describe.

I never noticed it in any of the race engines.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 21, 2020, at 6:14 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
>  
> From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>  
> The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.  The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.  The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.  Inertia increases as the square of the radius.  It is not a linear function of the radius.
>  
> An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.  I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.  I have never seen a calculation for it.  It would be complex.  Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine.
>  
> Tim Murphy
>  
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>  
> Something I have wondered about for years.
> 
> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu May 21 22:33:13 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 23:33:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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I noticed it on track at 5600 rpm because it foamed the fuel in the 
float bowl, not because I actually felt it.

- Tony

On 5/21/2020 8:56 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> On my street TR4A, the harmonics came in about 2800 RPM and again at 
> 5600 RPM.
>
> It was an interesting sensation. Hard to describe.
>
> I never noticed it in any of the race engines.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell: ?319.464.4711
>
>
>> On May 21, 2020, at 6:14 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> *From:* timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
>> *To:* 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>>
>> The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic 
>> frequency.? The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic 
>> frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to 
>> the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is 
>> at greater radius than the other rotating masses.? Inertia increases 
>> as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius.
>>
>> An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.? I had always 
>> heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.? I have never seen a 
>> calculation for it. It would be complex.? Note that lighter pistons 
>> and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as 
>> they would reduce the inertia in the engine.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of *TeriAnn J. 
>> Wakeman via Fot
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
>> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>> *Subject:* [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>>
>> Something I have wondered about for years.
>>
>> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
>> harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer 
>> to that question.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 23:08:46 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 00:08:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but would
love to see everyone there.

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
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On Thu, May 21, 2020, 8:29 PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Fair Question Phil:
>
> ?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate
> events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good
> time. This can be one of those events.
>
> ?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of
> something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio?
> would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for
> combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th
> Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it.
>
> It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s
> out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to
> the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.
>
> It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of
> ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t.
> But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.
>
> The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect
> on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the
> sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and
> Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other
> groups.
>
> So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most
> Significant.
>
> We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the
> paddock, and our friends at hand.
>
> What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told
> this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal
> circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve
> attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a
> great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing
> everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks,
> especially to us ?FOGs.?
> > A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as
> I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been
> canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks
> when not in our cars. For me that
> > means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> > Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> > But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and
> most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri May 22 00:16:31 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:16:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Hi TeriAnn, 
In theory, a lighter flywheel would make shift the harmonics to higher rpm and the load on the crankshaft (torsion forces) would be less. I believe this is a reality in the case of the 4 cyl TR crank. The heavy flywheel is there for smoother running, I don't know if there are other advantages? As you know (i.e. of the books of Kas Kastner), the harmonics of the 6 cyl TR crank are much more detrimental with high levering loads on the flywheel bolts. 
Maybe the front pulley can be made lighter when the flywheel is lighter. 
Respectfully yours, 
Marcel Van Mulders. 

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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Donderdag 21 mei 2020 21:43:30 
Onderwerp: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 



Something I have wondered about for years. 

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. 

TeriAnn 

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 05:28:09 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:28:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods 
 That's a BIG gain, it gets some of that recip/bending load out of the mains. 
Glen
 
 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 22 06:40:02 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 07:40:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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The future is a big unknown and having been involved with organizing two
K-Cups I have a couple of observations and one big fear. I'll start the
spit-balling I think and I think that Joe thinks we need to develop a plan
to keep us getting together.

I'll start with the fear because it can be overcome if we face it now. I
ride MS150's. I've done 9 years in a row until this year. Both the Houston/
to Austin and the Dallas to Ft Worth rides were both cancelled this year.
When you do these 180 mile rides it is best to be on a team. The Team I
began riding with is no more. The founder, lead organizer, and
facilitator of the 35 member team passed away a few years ago. It was a
tragic, unexpected loss.  His "Wheels of Love Team" faltered because there
was not a clear path forward. There were some questions as to whether his
wife wanted the team to continue and without his leadership the team has
just faded. It was built around his leadership.We have had that type of
leadership and legacy in the Kastner Cup with Kas and Joe. If we are going
to keep this going we need a leader who can organize and facilitate, and
inspire participation. That person has to have the time and the
wherewithal to do it and the support of the rest of us. We have to want
this to continue and we have to show up to keep it going.

Observations:
Smaller 20 something car events, like the the Hallett and Eagles Canyon
K-Cups are fun but for me, larger participation numbers are even more fun.
We are getting older and some have and others will retire from racing. Will
we continue to have enough racers to keep the K-Cup viable?
We are spread out all across America and unlike Europe, it is
unrealistic to expect us all to get together once a year. Is there a place
we could do that?
If the K-Cup is to be "retired" , what will be the focus of the next "cup".
Should we consider collecting an All British race group like the Euro's do?
We have an obvious turning point after this race. We don't have to try to
do the exact same thing going forward. How else could we keep this going?

Like I said, spit-balling.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Fair Question Phil:
>
> ?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate
> events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good
> time. This can be one of those events.
>
> ?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of
> something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio?
> would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for
> combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th
> Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it.
>
> It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s
> out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to
> the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.
>
> It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of
> ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t.
> But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.
>
> The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect
> on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the
> sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and
> Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other
> groups.
>
> So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most
> Significant.
>
> We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the
> paddock, and our friends at hand.
>
> What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told
> this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal
> circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve
> attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a
> great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing
> everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks,
> especially to us ?FOGs.?
> > A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as
> I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been
> canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks
> when not in our cars. For me that
> > means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> > Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> > But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and
> most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 22 06:42:53 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 06:42:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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On 5/21/20 11:08 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote:
> I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but 
> would love to see everyone there.

The times I'll be sitting at my computer looking? at pics and videos of 
the event and thinking "Wish I was there!" will probably be about 100 
times more common than the times I'll be thinking "Glad I stayed home."

mjb.




From britcars at bellsouth.net  Fri May 22 06:57:40 2020
From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:57:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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 Back in 1980, Fred Baker won the run-offs at Road Atlanta in a Jag XKE. One thing that he said helped was making the flywheel and harmonic damper as close to the same weight as possible. He used some big American car damper. They had trouble making maximum RPM and ran the engine on a dyno with a strobe light on the flywheel and noticed a severe flex to the crank. They increased the damper weight and the vibration was reduced giving close to 1,000 more RPM. The cranks "wiggle" at high RPM. Matching the weight at both ends reduced that. They did blow the engine the next week when giving writers a test ride. I used this theory on my TR4A using a factory crank that I modified and lightened, I used an ATI custom damper and a lightened aluminum flywheel (less than 18 lbs for flywheel, PP and disc) and was able to turn the engine to 7,300. I also used a custom 1/4" plate bolted to the oil pan rail and across to the center main caps. Maybe some one can get more info on this theory.
Barry Rosenberg
    On Friday, May 22, 2020, 07:32:38 AM EDT, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  

Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods 
 That's a BIG gain, it gets some of that recip/bending load out of the mains. 
Glen
 
 
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Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

? ?From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
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Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 ?The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.? The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.? The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.? Inertia increases as the square of the radius.? It is not a linear function of the radius. ?An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.? I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.? I have never seen a calculation for it.? It would be complex.? Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. ?Tim Murphy ?From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
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Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 ?Something I have wondered about for years.Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.TeriAnn_______________________________________________
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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May 22 08:21:22 2020
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:21:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Everything resonates at it own natural frequency including us haha, and if your crank and flywheel are close in that particular freq you will have a problem so changing the weight will change the freq. subtracting weight does help but to what measure on your application I can't say, adding weight may help but it could also have the effect of compounding the problem. I am partial to using a front pulley as light and small as possible (no damper) and also a huge fan of light weight flywheels and small diameter clutches for this very reason. The most expensive thing you can do to help your the problem is a super light crankshaft. I recently build a motor for a guy with a custom crank that knocked off 12 lbs and I could tell the difference on the dyno before it ever went in the car, the typical vibrations were gone. I asked the driver after his first session how he liked the motor and the only thing he kept saying was "it's so smooth" over and over, it audibly sounded different on track as well, crazy. The really bad part is when the Harmonic frequency gets transferred to the valve train, then you will have a serious disaster. 4 cylinders are known for this problem and some guys won't even run one on their Dyno and I personally have thrown more flywheels off on the Dyno than I would care to admit and this very problem has forced me to look at the options if for no other reason than to make my life easier. Not looking for work here but I would be willing to build a crank for anyone wanting to take their stuff to the next level but it would cost about $3000.
Thanks, Rick
General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge"
 

    On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 03:43:54 PM EDT, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
   
Something I have wondered about for years.
 
Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.
 
TeriAnn
 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 22 08:25:34 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:25:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
Message-ID: <dcd573d2-9094-0043-410d-a0aabe554ba4@bradakis.com>

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire 
group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen 
<https://www.facebook.com/eric.vandiggelen?__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU&tn-str=%2AF&hc_location=group_dialog>

12 hrs <https://www.facebook.com/eric.vandiggelen/posts/10216645173190818>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in 
a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this 
Stolen Car Please Share"


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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May 22 08:36:12 2020
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:36:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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Don't worry Phil we will still have fun it will just look a little different this year. SVRA will not be the the Covid 19 police when it comes to what is going on in the Paddock. The SVRA team will be using self imposed strict guidelines to protect everyone we come in contact with as a professional courtesy to all our friends and competitors but the track dictates how things work in the Paddock, I suspect by the time the race rolls around things may die down a bit, fingers crossed.
I'm looking forward to seeing all of you and for the ones who choose not to come I totally get it and respect your position, just know you will be missed.
Rick

General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge"
 

    On Friday, May 22, 2020, 08:45:18 AM EDT, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 On 5/21/20 11:08 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote:
> I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but 
> would love to see everyone there.

The times I'll be sitting at my computer looking? at pics and videos of 
the event and thinking "Wish I was there!" will probably be about 100 
times more common than the times I'll be thinking "Glad I stayed home."

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 22 08:49:52 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:49:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
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Wow!  Interesting low-line bonnet on that one.  Looks like it's been sectioned.  Cool.  Hope they find it.

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:26 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%3F__tn__%3D%252Cd%252AF%252AF-R%26eid%3DARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU%26tn-str%3D%252AF%26hc_location%3Dgroup_dialog&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=9jhlfmgj0SL%2BCrFQRVxtpog2gmSTNUA9jr6PK8bitU8%3D&amp;reserved=0>

12 hrs <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%2Fposts%2F10216645173190818&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=z0pOPTAJA00fPBz2Vvjr6nVw4YiQuv%2FsvXTkrDXL8J0%3D&amp;reserved=0>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this Stolen Car Please Share"


mjb.



From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:21:36 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:21:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>

Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.

The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.

It?s what we make of it.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
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> On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 


From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:35:46 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:35:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.

Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people
worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
>
> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
>
> It?s what we make of it.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:47:47 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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Well, that sounded a little unkind on my part. Sorry.

I am not trying to finish the seriousness of the Pandemic.  The Spanish was known as the Spanish Flu because they were the first ones to recognize the problem. In the meantime it was killing millions of people, exacerbated by troop movements in The Great War.

Joe Alexander
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> On May 22, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.
> 
> Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online
>  
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html
> 
>> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
>> 
>> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
>> 
>> It?s what we make of it.
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> _______________________________________________
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 22 09:50:05 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:50:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
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Nice catch Scott, looks like 2.5 - 3" section. I'm guessing it's fiberglass. Good looking car.
The FB post says the trailer was recovered but the car is gone. I have often wondered about stolen race cars and why they were stolen.
More often that not it seems they are after the trailers and or tools, not so much the car.
In this case they kept the car. What do you do? strip it for parts, certainly not show up at a track and race it with another paint job.
I don't have anything on my trailer to suggest there is a race car inside. A drag racer friend of mine paints his car number on the roof of the trailer.
A thief wouldn't know it and law enforcement can identify it from the air. Very helpful if you have a GPS tracker.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 8:50 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Wow!  Interesting low-line bonnet on that one.  Looks like it's been sectioned.  Cool.  Hope they find it.

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:26 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%3F__tn__%3D%252Cd%252AF%252AF-R%26eid%3DARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU%26tn-str%3D%252AF%26hc_location%3Dgroup_dialog&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=9jhlfmgj0SL%2BCrFQRVxtpog2gmSTNUA9jr6PK8bitU8%3D&amp;reserved=0>

12 hrs <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%2Fposts%2F10216645173190818&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=z0pOPTAJA00fPBz2Vvjr6nVw4YiQuv%2FsvXTkrDXL8J0%3D&amp;reserved=0>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this Stolen Car Please Share"


mjb.


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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 22 09:54:27 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:54:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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In 1968 we didn?t have a 24 hour news cycle or the interweb.

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:36 AM
To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup

 

I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.

 

Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.

The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.

It?s what we make of it.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 10:10:58 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:10:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <00a001d63051$46206260$d2612720$@comcast.net>
References: <00a001d63051$46206260$d2612720$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAAF81E7-C818-4A31-880D-ACD1534D60C8@aol.com>

Thanks Joe, Rick and others.
Good to know what can and cannot be expected at the event. Thanks for your straightforward answers. Tough decision....
Regards,
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In 1968 we didn?t have a 24 hour news cycle or the interweb.
>  
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:36 AM
> To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
>  
> I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.
>  
> Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online
>  
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html
>  
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
> 
> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
> 
> It?s what we make of it.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 10:35:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:35:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
References: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>

I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.Glen Efinger
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 11:26:32 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:26:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
Message-ID: <000901d6305e$2375f380$6a61da80$@klaenv.com>

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It
appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are
one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?

 

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a
death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.

 

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves
?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.

 

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a
vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some
60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to
develop antibodies against the virus.

 

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000
Americans to have had the virus.

 

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would
perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the
demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see
some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.

 

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross
your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the
indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to
varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers
and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple
of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.

 

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think
this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we
would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until
they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their
hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all
the very best of luck.

 

Ken

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 22 11:37:31 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:37:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
In-Reply-To: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWsqSffi3baikeTBu04EZOk4RNXicj_PxfM-t6BV-c-v4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Flashback

I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am
I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
> I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of
> the same feelings.
> Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health
> concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the
> consequences can be major.
> I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of
> one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
> I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could
> top that!
> Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who
> have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
> Glen Efinger
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 12:34:39 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:34:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
In-Reply-To: <CABFvdWsqSffi3baikeTBu04EZOk4RNXicj_PxfM-t6BV-c-v4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CABFvdWsqSffi3baikeTBu04EZOk4RNXicj_PxfM-t6BV-c-v4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <610380588.781603.1590172479743@mail.yahoo.com>

 Man that's ringing a bell but...We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.I can account for bats and gators though...Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses

Flashback
I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.? Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?
Bob Kramer

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.Glen Efinger
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 22 12:42:07 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:42:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <000901d6305e$2375f380$6a61da80$@klaenv.com>
References: <000901d6305e$2375f380$6a61da80$@klaenv.com>
Message-ID: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>

Some interesting stuff here indeed.

In truth the whole pandemic thing has me thinking about my health in 
general, looking at the long term picture.? Sure, I am diabetic, but it 
is not to the point of daily blood sugar testing, just every three 
months or so go in and see the doctor with a quick A1C blood test.? Will 
I improve, or get worse?? I'll be checking out that "Younger Next Year" 
book previously mentioned. Of course being only 66 years old now makes 
me a youngster compared to some on this list.

The gist of it has me questioning my goals.? Is it really worth it for 
me to return Killer to the track, and take on full fledged wheel to 
wheel vintage racing again, or should I ease off and just put together a 
nice, peppy streetable driver that can handle an autocross or two?? 
There's no easy way to objectively measure effort put in versus rewards 
gained.? It is a question of spirit, of adventure, excitement, a 
question of following your heart balanced with the real world.

I've posted this before in various venues, I really wish I knew who 
wrote it.? I'm not into motorcycles, but this transcends the hardware, 
and gets right into it.? Where lays the heart, where lays the soul of an 
old dinosaur like me?

=====

As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
perfect machines.? Their bikes are precision instruments built by
precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.

About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
Rolled up to a stop sign.? A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
the wick, and thumped on up the hill.? I shut nort down to listen
to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.? I was
thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
I choke, and tears fill my eyes.? As that quiet thump, thump,
thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
perfect Marin autumn days.? Back then, me and my dinosaur could
still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.

These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
the Rockies.? But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.? But I wonder,
where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?





From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri May 22 12:56:37 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:56:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <685a55c7-d5c4-a268-a07a-bd8e171d521b@bright.net>

It's "Show Time" for shirt orders. Many of you have already contacted me 
with payment details. But, would really like to hear from all by this 
week-end.? Once all info is logged, we can go ahead with production.? 
Here is what we need - name, method of payment and are we shipping or 
being picked up at event.? Names, addresses and contact details are on 
Jim Hassal's order spread sheet so we are good to go once you contact 
me.? Our FAX seems to be MIA so phone or email, please.? Thanks to all. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022



From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May 22 13:03:43 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:03:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
In-Reply-To: <610380588.781603.1590172479743@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CABFvdWsqSffi3baikeTBu04EZOk4RNXicj_PxfM-t6BV-c-v4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <610380588.781603.1590172479743@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2D3B02DCF7C648EF8CE8346BED6E55D5@VlackTK121647>

I think the chicken is a VTR thing awarded to someone who had a failure of some sort.

From: fubog1 via Fot 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:34 PM
To: rkramer56 at gmail.com 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses

Man that's ringing a bell but...
We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.
I can account for bats and gators though...
Glen






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses


Flashback 

I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
  I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.
  Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.
  I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
  I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!

  Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
  Glen Efinger

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 13:25:51 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:25:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
In-Reply-To: <610380588.781603.1590172479743@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <610380588.781603.1590172479743@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <484BB1B7-0046-486D-9402-6223F30715AD@gmail.com>

There was a Rubber Chicken Racing in the Pacific Northwest. I think there was one hanging out of Alfa trunk. 

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 2:04 PM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Man that's ringing a bell but...
> We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.
> I can account for bats and gators though...
> Glen
> <Kates & gator & TR.jpg>
> <P1000720.JPG>
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
> To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
> Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses
> 
> Flashback
> 
> I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
> I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.
> Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.
> I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
> I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
> Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
> Glen Efinger
> _______________________________________________
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 13:59:39 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
References: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <C280389B-7663-4FCA-B1A3-03B562316FCE@aol.com>

Mark;
I love it!!
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
> I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
> these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
> perfect machines.  Their bikes are precision instruments built by
> precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.
> 
> About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
> coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
> Rolled up to a stop sign.  A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
> around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
> the wick, and thumped on up the hill.  I shut nort down to listen
> to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.  I was
> thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
> All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
> I choke, and tears fill my eyes.  As that quiet thump, thump,
> thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
> It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
> perfect Marin autumn days.  Back then, me and my dinosaur could
> still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
> primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
> so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.
> 
> These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
> the Rockies.  But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
> I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
> fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.  But I wonder,
> where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?
> 



From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 13:59:39 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
References: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <C280389B-7663-4FCA-B1A3-03B562316FCE@aol.com>

Mark;
I love it!!
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
> I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
> these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
> perfect machines.  Their bikes are precision instruments built by
> precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.
> 
> About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
> coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
> Rolled up to a stop sign.  A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
> around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
> the wick, and thumped on up the hill.  I shut nort down to listen
> to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.  I was
> thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
> All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
> I choke, and tears fill my eyes.  As that quiet thump, thump,
> thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
> It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
> perfect Marin autumn days.  Back then, me and my dinosaur could
> still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
> primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
> so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.
> 
> These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
> the Rockies.  But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
> I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
> fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.  But I wonder,
> where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?
> 



From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 14:08:45 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:08:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.

?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?


That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 

Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.

If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  

The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!





Let?s all take a reality pill here.  




You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin











> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>  
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>  
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>  
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>  
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>  
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>  
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>  
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>  
> Ken
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri May 22 14:23:49 2020
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:23:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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IMHO?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.


?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?

That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited.

Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.

If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.

The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.

?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!


<image1.png>

Let?s all take a reality pill here.

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You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin








On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.

Ken
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 14:45:36 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:45:36 -0700
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From don at dcphotos.com  Fri May 22 15:00:42 2020
From: don at dcphotos.com (don at dcphotos.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:00:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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All, 
I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.

You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may

go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.

Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.

rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.

I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.

I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 

If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.

It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 

Keep the F in FOT,

Don






From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:44:10 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:44:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  

I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.

A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.

Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.

Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  

This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.

I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.

And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   

Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.

I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  

Never be beaten by a virus!

?Justin






> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
> 
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
> 
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
> 
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
> 
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
> 
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
>  
> 
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
> 
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
> 
>  
> 
> Ken
> 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:49:27 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:49:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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On 5/22/20 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote:
> ?it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.

When some of us reach herd immunity. Maybe after sacrificing the lives 
of a couple hundred thousand Americans, maybe more, maybe a few million 
people around the world.

*I thought this was a list for Triumphs, not to argue over the virus 
casualties.*

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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:51:14 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> All, 
> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
> 
> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
> 
> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
> 
> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
> 
> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
> 
> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
> 
> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
> 
> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
> 
> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
> 
> Keep the F in FOT,
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lunkercars at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 16:04:04 2020
From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:04:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Please... just stop!

> 


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 22 16:10:58 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:10:58 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Kastner Cup shirts
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Come on folks, don't leave Ted hanging. These are a special shirt all will be happy with. They are ordered, nows we gots to pay da man before he sends out Guido!

Marty

________________________________
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:56 PM
To: FOT <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Kastner Cup shirts

It's "Show Time" for shirt orders. Many of you have already contacted me
with payment details. But, would really like to hear from all by this
week-end.  Once all info is logged, we can go ahead with production.
Here is what we need - name, method of payment and are we shipping or
being picked up at event.  Names, addresses and contact details are on
Jim Hassal's order spread sheet so we are good to go once you contact
me.  Our FAX seems to be MIA so phone or email, please.  Thanks to all. Ted

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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri May 22 16:16:48 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
Everyone has an opinion on this.  So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
Everything else is dangerous territory.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Please... just stop!
> 
>> 
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 16:17:48 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:17:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 16:29:56 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:29:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
> 
> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
> 
> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
> 
> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
> 
> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
> 
> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
> 
> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
> 
> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
> 
> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
> 
> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
> 
> Never be beaten by a virus!
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
> 
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
> 
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
> 
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
> 
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
> 
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
>  
> 
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
> 
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
> 
>  
> 
> Ken
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 16:30:35 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
In-Reply-To: <ECAB81A5-0CAA-4A9B-A3A0-AFDD82515205@mhc-law.com>
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In my humble opinion

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:23 PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
> 
> IMHO?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>> 
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>> 
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>> 
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>> 
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>> 
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <image1.png>
>> 
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>> 
>> <image1.png>
>> 
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>>>  
>>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>>>  
>>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>>>  
>>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>>>  
>>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>>>  
>>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>>>  
>>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>>>  
>>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>>>  
>>> Ken
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>> 
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri May 22 16:33:07 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Hey, it's Friday and here on the west coast, very close to beer thirty.  
Thumbs up, smilie face. 
Cheers! 
Dave H.  

Sent from my iPad

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
> Everyone has an opinion on this.  So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
> I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
> Everything else is dangerous territory.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Please... just stop!
>> 
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Fri May 22 16:37:19 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 23:37:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 163
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Delighted to hear that the Cup is on at Mid-Ohio!      But as there's almost
certain to be no racing before then in the UK, I'm not going to ship mine
all that way without even a shake down.  Even if I was allowed into your
fair country!
So have a good one guys, and there's always next year!

Bests
John

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 16:39:11 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:39:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Hey everybody, look at these cool Triumph parts!





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On Friday, May 22, 2020, 6:16 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
Everyone has an opinion on this.? So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
Everything else is dangerous territory.

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> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Please... just stop!
> 
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 22 16:48:26 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:48:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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I think Mr Hasty knows you know what IMHO means. ?
I suspect he is questioning if in fact your opinion?is humble.
Well! As Joe always said, "NO DUES. ?NO RULES"
I guess that's why the FOT works.
Bill Dentinger


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 On?Friday, May 22, 2020,?J Wagner via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

In my humble opinion
On May 22, 2020, at 1:23 PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:



IMHO?

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On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.

?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.? This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?

That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited.?
Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all. ?And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe. ?And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves. ?The rest need to get on with their lives. ?
The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....? ??

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality. ?The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity. ?

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there. ?We?re heading into our Summer!


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Let?s all take a reality pill here. ?
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You said,??We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.?I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes. ?So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies. ? That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed? ? What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening? ?What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia? ?Car accidents? ?Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin












On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:




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The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.? It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.? What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
 
 ?
 
As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.? Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
 
 ?
 
Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.? This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
 
 ?
 
It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
 
 ?
 
The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
 
 ?
 
If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.? Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
 
 ?
 
Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.? You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.? We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.? It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
 
 ?
 
We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.? I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ??I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.? I wish all the very best of luck.
 
 ?
 
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From john at linneyweb.com  Fri May 22 17:16:06 2020
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058


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>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> <image1.jpeg>
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> All, 
>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>> 
>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>> 
>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>> 
>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>> 
>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>> 
>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>> 
>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>> 
>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>> 
>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>> 
>> Keep the F in FOT,
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 17:58:04 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns

> On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
> 
> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> <image1.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All, 
>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>>> 
>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>>> 
>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>>> 
>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>> 
>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>> 
>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>>> 
>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>>> 
>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>> 
>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>>> 
>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Fri May 22 18:14:28 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:14:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Mineself I will put my trust in the experts in the field. Those Drs who 
have devoted their lives to research. And the scientists doing research.

I also read history and study it. "Those who don't learn from the 
mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them." Read up on the Spanish 
Flu of a century ago.

And people revolting against the lock downs: they don't have things 
nearly as bad as our ancestors did. Two months? Seriously? Most of our 
parents lived through the Great Depression. For years. And made the best 
of it.

When the experts say there will be a second round and say it will be 
worse I believe them. "You can pay me now or pay me later." Fram 
advertisement.

And to all the doctors nurses first responders and all in the Health 
Care field: Thank You. I worked in a hospital for 29 years and saw a 
lot. I have a real soft spot for nurses.

Best wishes to everyone and stay safe.

Bill

On 5/22/2020 7:16 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote:
> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before 
> Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days 
> like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in 
> the US.??Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by 
> many means.?You can play with the data and make your own mind up. 
> https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058 
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> <image1.jpeg>
>>
>>
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in 
>>> this current Covid world we are in.
>>>
>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what 
>>> you are asking others to do so you may
>>>
>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech 
>>> inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is 
>>> packed with others of unknown health status.
>>>
>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three 
>>> others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight 
>>> hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>>
>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>>
>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must 
>>> make this choice for themselves.
>>>
>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are 
>>> certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will 
>>> get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever,
>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months.
>>>
>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop 
>>> that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>>
>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is 
>>> about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. 
>>> Being hit by lightning is not contagious.
>>>
>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 18:35:03 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:35:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Coronavirus: Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause 'irreparable damage'

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/dr-anthony-fauci-says-staying-closed-for-too-long-could-cause-irreparable-damage.html

> On May 22, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Mineself I will put my trust in the experts in the field. Those Drs who have devoted their lives to research. And the scientists doing research.
> 
> I also read history and study it. "Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them." Read up on the Spanish Flu of a century ago.
> 
> And people revolting against the lock downs: they don't have things nearly as bad as our ancestors did. Two months? Seriously? Most of our parents lived through the Great Depression. For years. And made the best of it.
> 
> When the experts say there will be a second round and say it will be worse I believe them. "You can pay me now or pay me later." Fram advertisement.
> 
> And to all the doctors nurses first responders and all in the Health Care field: Thank You. I worked in a hospital for 29 years and saw a lot. I have a real soft spot for nurses.
> 
> Best wishes to everyone and stay safe.
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On 5/22/2020 7:16 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote:
>> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All, 
>>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>>>> 
>>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>>>> 
>>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more                   will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>>>> 
>>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>>> 
>>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>>>> 
>>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>>>> 
>>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>>> 
>>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>>>> 
>>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>>> 
>>>> Don
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri May 22 21:02:19 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 23:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.

So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.

Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?

Having fun in the garage these days!!!

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 22 21:03:40 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 03:03:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns


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Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmur.com%2Farticle%2Fcoronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states%2F32380058&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca8289f6d24414947a94e08d7feacaa4f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257889879490044&sdata=x3yQx1HinFgRUMULGWSRUK6RsYU5KrlwhqOoYPHR0Gc%3D&reserved=0>

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On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

All,
I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.

You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may

go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.

Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.

rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.

I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.

I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever,
we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months.

If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.

It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious.

Keep the F in FOT,

Don




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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May 23 03:19:54 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:19:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Friends of triumph friends, 
It all depends how hard the pandemic will still be active by the time of the Kcup, but no one knows. 
The heavy outbreak of Corona in Italy was caused by some big events in Northern Italy, the ski holydays, the Bergamo football match and a third one I did forget. It is generally accepted that a virus can spread easily where lots of people are together for some time. 
On the other hand, a pandemic can turn down, and mostly does so, before herd immunity is reached. The seasonal influenza epidemic comes and goes without reaching herd immunity of 60%. Unfortunately, this corona virus is much more dangerous than the influenza viruses, not because it is more contagious but you are much better off with a flu than with the covid-19 infection. People die from influenza too, but if that happens it is because of complications like bacterial pneumonie and other surinfections (things that doctors can do something about) but this corona virus is killing people on its own by causing pneumonia, vascular damage and so on and even if you are in hospital (intensive care), all the doctors can do is give support and often the patients die and they can do nothing but watch it. 
Anyway this virus has a big influence on our way of living, we can't deny it and go on as if it would not be there. Organising a big event is very complicated now. 

Marcel 

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Ohmygawdpleasedropitalready. 

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California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns 


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On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, John Linney < [ mailto:john at linneyweb.com | john at linneyweb.com ] > wrote: 




Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US. Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. [ https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmur.com%2Farticle%2Fcoronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states%2F32380058&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca8289f6d24414947a94e08d7feacaa4f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257889879490044&sdata=x3yQx1HinFgRUMULGWSRUK6RsYU5KrlwhqOoYPHR0Gc%3D&reserved=0 | https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058 ] 

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I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 

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we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 

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It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 

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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat May 23 04:58:31 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 06:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies 
home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old 
tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. 
Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep 
and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white 
car in the background!

Cheers Bill

On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy 
> Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s 
> been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest 
> vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and 
> I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at 
> everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, 
> has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not 
> rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
>
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil 
> every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks 
> all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake 
> lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. 
> ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny 
> bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those 
> if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks 
> need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the 
> local shop.
>
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the 
> engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good 
> non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
>
>
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:06:02 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:06:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:18:41 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:18:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 Triumph reunion - forgot the two lists
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 06:19:05 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 07:19:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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#35 is probably Dennis Shea. I bought that car from his widow a while after he passed from a motorcycle accident. My son drove it in 3 Kastner Cups and now it is my vintage racer. 
Bob Kramet

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> On May 23, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:26:45 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:26:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat May 23 06:36:31 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:36:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.

As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.

A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.

Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.

Terry Stetler

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From: Bill Tobin via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars


Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill
On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.

So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.

Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?

Having fun in the garage these days!!!

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:43:32 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:43:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat May 23 06:44:10 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:44:10 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Mike, I was at that race as a spectator.  I drove my TR3 street car down from Bowling Green.

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From: Mike Jackson via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:06 AM
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Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?

FOT -

As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.

You will find attached three things:

  *   Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
  use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2F2mhrjgqwwzrse9n%2FTriumph%2520reunion%25201992%2520numbered.pdf%3Fdl%3D0&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd35318ecf3934a297cd508d7ff11af02%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637258323716599510&sdata=6RQnd%2FS7Q0iazs2NUI9VSza5l7QFQlc2vQZ%2FNhUnON0%3D&reserved=0>  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
  *   The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
  *   A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.

Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat May 23 06:50:33 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:50:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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 There might be an add-on filter available for it.Back in the mid-70s I had a 53 Chevy work pickup with a 216 CI 6 cyl and it had one fitted.Yours may have that engine, BTW it has babbited bearings.I would tend to use 30 straight weight.Glenps- yeah I remember the starter switch too!
 
 
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Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 11:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars

Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
Having fun in the garage these days!!!
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From harveykinnard at gmail.com  Sat May 23 07:08:22 2020
From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:08:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Great pic. Viewed it on my iPhone, easy please. Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 07:29:39 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 13:29:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions - take two
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Others will know better, but isn?t #10 Sean Alexander? ??
Fun fact: ?my Dad helped Bill Colom with his engine and tuning, I believe. ? I see you already have him named?correctly!
Dave Gott


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On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 8:51 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

<!--#yiv4721964351 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Argh, the list didnt take the scan of the entry list.? So, it's now in Dropbox as well.
Reminder.....you must use the links to get the pic and now the entry list from some 1992 source
The picture? -?https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0
The old list from the event -?https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8f0zm05zif9e7r/Entry%20list%20SVRA%20Mid%20Ohio%201992.jpg?dl=0
My list IS attached.? It's a small Excel file so hopefully it will go thru
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat May 23 08:11:10 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:11:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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 Although not officially a K-Cup event, I'm sure that we would all agree that Kas was there in spirit; for many of us, he is one of the prime motivators behind us doing what we do.It was truly a spectacular event.Glen #7ps- Mike you look like a kid ha ha!

This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.? But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
 
 
 
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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 8:06 am
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?

<!--#yiv4409331454 DIV {margin:0px;}-->FOT -
As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.? This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.? But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
You will find attached three things:   
   - Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.? There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!? I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.? I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.? So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.? I'm no Dropbox expert!? But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.? If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.   
? use this link? ? ?https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0? you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.   
   

   - The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.   
   

   - A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.? Clearly not an official SVRA document.? Not sure of the origin.? Also attached
The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.? Hey!? It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.? But, the resolution is pretty good.? If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.? Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.? I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.? Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat May 23 08:28:28 2020
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:28:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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I was also there, as a corner worker. I arrived Thursday afternoon in my
TR6, and was immediately dispatched to a corner. Each day I worked
a different corner. On Sunday, I was at corner 1, which allowed me access
to the track for the TRiumph touring lap. It was a fabulous weekend, and
Peter Egan gave it a big write up in R&T.I still have my copy.

I introduced myself to Joe and Sean Alexander in the paddock. I had just
purchased my TR4 and was beginning the process of converting it to vintage
from SCCA preparation. Their TR4 was super fresh, maybe their first event
in #97?

Good times.

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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat May 23 08:29:27 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 10:29:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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thanks Bill, see you again one of these days.

On May 23, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill
On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
> 
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
> 
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
> 
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
> 
> <IMG_1012.jpg><IMG_1011.jpg>
> 
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 08:52:19 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Mark, may I use this photo and info on www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs and
in The Vintage Triumph Magazine?

I will be covering the Kastner Cup 2020 (spectators or no spectators,
pending government mandates as their date is May 26th) and this would be a
cool introduction/bookend photo with valued info. Photo credit would go to
you, of course.

Shawn Frank
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On Sat, May 23, 2020, 7:06 AM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> FOT -
>
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in
> 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the
> Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at
> the time.
>
> You will find attached three things:
>
>    - Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just
>    about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so
>    that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able
>    to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I
>    guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get
>    is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to
>    your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the
>    detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the
>    race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>      use this link
>    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0
>    you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
>
>    - The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we
>    think we have right is an attached file.
>
>    - A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his
>    files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.
>    Also attached
>
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's
> about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it
> scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the
> missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help
> correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive,
> much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if
> more than a handful of us still race.
>
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From 6t9gt6 at toast.net  Sat May 23 09:33:22 2020
From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it's members and competitors.  

   

With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.  

   

Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?   

   

I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  "Life is racing, the rest is just waiting." For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.  

   

Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, "you catch more bee's with honey than vinegar"  After all, this post is called "Friends of Triumph". 
  
  
  

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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race   
 Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
  
 Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
 On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   
 Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don't go over and hug folk. I don't visit retirement homes.  if I did, I'd wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
  
 I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad's death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what's going to take us.
  
 A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
  
 Really, look at the numbers.   We can't live in a bubble.
  
 Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
  
 This is not the pandemic where it's so bad every family will be touched and it's ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It's not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
  
 I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your "Russian Roulette with an automatic." was way off base.
  
 And by the way, "While you are getting through Covid with no problems"... you mean like how I'm unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there'd be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
  
 Your scare mongering is going "to be a real bitch when someone we personally love" faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How's it feel to have people's deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn't have gone there.
  
 I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
  
 Never be beaten by a virus!
  
 -Justin
  
  
  
  
  
  
 On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
   Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
  
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 On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:    
   
 I'm sorry Ken, IMHO, you're way off base.
  

"....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves 'low risk'.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic...." 
  
 That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
  
 Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves "low risk" and no, it's not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it's certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
  
 If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
  
 The flu didn't stop vintage racing.

"If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then...."     

That "current rate" is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn't just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.    

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We're heading into our Summer! 
  
  

  
 Let's all take a reality pill here.  
  

   

You said, "We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. "  

Yes.  So enough with the "russian roulette with an automatic" analogies.   That's gross hyperbole, not science.  

It's a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.  

What's the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What's the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What's the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?  

Yet we all get on with our lives.  

-Justin  

   

  
  
  
  
  
  

On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
   

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?  

   

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.  

   

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves 'low risk'.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.  

   

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve "Herd Immunity" which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.  

   

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.  

   

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.  

   

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.  

   

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.  

   

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Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:02:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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?That is the race that started it all for me.  My dad and I went to that race because Paul Smock and Bill Burroughs were going to make the cross country trip to be in it.  They chickened out, but we still went.  I remember the group 44 TR8 being really quick.  I also remember seeing Tulius and other group 44 people there with one of their XJS race cars for sale.  I don?t remember any details except they were selling it for $7K.  Hindsight is 20-20!

I bought an SCCA Spitfire after that and the rest, shall we say, is history.

The number 14 car was raced by Ralph Thomas.  That?s the Kastner Brophy Vitesse which I have now.  It will be coming back to Mid-Ohio for the Kastner Cup.

Chuck

>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:49:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Thanks, Terry, really great advice.  As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer.  The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings.  At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right.  Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.

Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it".  After 73 years, however, I?m going to check.  It also  says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?.  I?ll try 90W and see what happens.  You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there.  However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.

Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.

While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots.  Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.  

On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
 
As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.  
 
A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
 
Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
 
Terry Stetler
 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
 
Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill

On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet. 
 
So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
 
Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
 
Having fun in the garage these days!!!
 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 12:58:22 2020
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Hi Scott,

If it is a recirculating ball steering box, this is what a lot of people use for lube when rebuilding.

https://www.amazon.com/John-Deere-Corn-Head-Grease/dp/B00CSBOLL8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=john+deere+corn+head+grease&qid=1590260015&sr=8-1

It?s kind of in between grease and oil in that it stays in contact with the parts that need lube but doesn?t leak past the seals.  Gear oil will probably leak past the seals and grease will ?channel.?  I think that means the moving parts will move the grease out of the way and not allow it to lube properly.

Sounds like a fun project.  Good luck!

Chuck

> On May 23, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks, Terry, really great advice.  As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer.  The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings.  At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right.  Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.
> 
> Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it".  After 73 years, however, I?m going to check.  It also  says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?.  I?ll try 90W and see what happens.  You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there.  However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.
> 
> Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.
> 
> While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots.  Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.  
> 
> On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
>  
> As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.  
>  
> A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
>  
> Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bill Tobin via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!
> 
> As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.
> 
> I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!
> 
> Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!
> 
> Cheers Bill
> 
> On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet. 
>  
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
>  
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>  
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 17:25:59 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.

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> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>  
> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
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> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>  
> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>  
> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
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> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>  
> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>  
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>  
> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>  
> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>  
> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>  
> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>  
> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>  
> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>  
> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>  
> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>  
> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>  
> Never be beaten by a virus!
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> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>  
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>  
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
>  
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>  
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>  
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>  
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
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> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
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> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
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> ?Justin
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> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
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> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
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> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
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> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
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> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
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> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
> 
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 18:48:49 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:48:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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I agree, cornhead grease (?cornhead? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.??I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Duncan
On May 23, 2020, 3:04 PM -0400, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>, wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> If it is a recirculating ball steering box, this is what a lot of people use for lube when rebuilding.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/John-Deere-Corn-Head-Grease/dp/B00CSBOLL8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=john+deere+corn+head+grease&qid=1590260015&sr=8-1
>
> It?s kind of in between grease and oil in that it stays in contact with the parts that need lube but doesn?t leak past the seals. ?Gear oil will probably leak past the seals and grease will ?channel.? ?I think that means the moving parts will move the grease out of the way and not allow it to lube properly.
>
> Sounds like a fun project. ?Good luck!
>
> Chuck
>
> > On May 23, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Terry, really great advice. ?As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer. ?The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings. ?At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right. ?Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.
> >
> > Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it". ?After 73 years, however, I?m going to check. ?It also ?says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?. ?I?ll try 90W and see what happens. ?You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there. ?However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.
> >
> > Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.
> >
> > While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots. ?Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.
> >
> > On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.? As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil, ?and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.? Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.? If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.? Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.? If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
> >
> > As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.? Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.? Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.? The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.? The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.? It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.? I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.? It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.
> >
> > A word about those old drum brakes.? If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.? Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.? Really, this is a thing.? I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.? It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
> >
> > Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
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> > Terry Stetler
> >
> > Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10
> >
> > From:?Bill Tobin via Fot
> > Sent:?Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
> > To:?fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject:?Re: [Fot] Old Cars
> >
> > Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!
> > As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.
> > I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!
> > Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!
> > Cheers Bill
> > On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> > > Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
> > >
> > > So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
> > >
> > > Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> > > Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
> > >
> > > Having fun in the garage these days!!!
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat May 23 19:33:11 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:33:11 -0700
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On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking 
> harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid 
> grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.??I had a Morgan 
> steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease 
> (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any 
> agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering 
boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement 
from oil leaking out of the swivels.

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From 6t9gt6 at toast.net  Sun May 24 00:34:54 2020
From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 02:34:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
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I hope this post reaches its intended readership.   

   

As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it's members and competitors.  

   

With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.  

   

Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?   

   

I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  "Life is racing, the rest is just waiting." For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.  

   

Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, "you catch more bee's with sugar than vinegar."  After all, this post site is called "Friends of Triumph".  

   

   

   

   

   

    

  
  
  

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From steve at artwithcars.com  Sun May 24 00:43:24 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 23:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
In-Reply-To: <31da84972ab44d61a0df068279b3ff44@toast.net>
References: <31da84972ab44d61a0df068279b3ff44@toast.net>
Message-ID: <769FDA62-4392-444B-A227-56149AF0FC86@artwithcars.com>

Ask your doctor if there?s a right or wrong answer 

~Steve


> On May 23, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I hope this post reaches its intended readership. 
>  
> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>  
> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>  
> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>  
> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>  
> Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with sugar than vinegar.?  After all, this post site is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sun May 24 05:12:54 2020
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:12:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
In-Reply-To: <769FDA62-4392-444B-A227-56149AF0FC86@artwithcars.com>
References: <31da84972ab44d61a0df068279b3ff44@toast.net>,
 <769FDA62-4392-444B-A227-56149AF0FC86@artwithcars.com>
Message-ID: <f61133209fa0493282ebf9b5732afbb8@dieselperformanceparts.com>

Extremely well said, and prudent.
Thank you



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/24/20 1:43 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 6t9gt6 at toast.net
Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones

Ask your doctor if there?s a right or wrong answer

~Steve


On May 23, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

I hope this post reaches its intended readership.



As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.



With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.



Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?



I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.



Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with sugar than vinegar.?  After all, this post site is called ?Friends of Triumph?.

















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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun May 24 05:51:23 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:51:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <1a212c5f-c726-b61a-2370-8dc3142734f2@gmail.com>
References: <75DFEE2A-3448-463D-BBD8-E6777F252F22@me.com>
 <331B6712-1C87-4849-802B-83DBAACF3F62@gmail.com>
 <147afa18-6be4-438d-8475-e2867df6f62a@Spark>,
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Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.

Terry Stetler

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From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.

TeriAnn

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sun May 24 07:15:02 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 08:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR05MB680893F0D5031029F0AE46D6C3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR05MB680893F0D5031029F0AE46D6C3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <46C500B1-3827-49BC-A743-93A426672254@gmail.com>

Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>  
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From chip at theukmotorsports.com  Sun May 24 07:21:15 2020
From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 09:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <FC1C7482-7D31-4883-99AE-B96FBF2E66B3@me.com>
References: <FC1C7482-7D31-4883-99AE-B96FBF2E66B3@me.com>
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Congratulations Scott,

That is an outstanding score. I'm sure you'll hear from Dean...he has some
amazing old American iron that he sports around in. Have fun,
Chip

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 11:21 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy
> Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been
> sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve
> ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on
> it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this
> came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life,
> and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I
> haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
>
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil
> every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all
> around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights),
> manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel
> bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a
> date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25
> mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for
> a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
>
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine,
> 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good
> non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun May 24 07:34:06 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 13:34:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <46C500B1-3827-49BC-A743-93A426672254@gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR05MB680893F0D5031029F0AE46D6C3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
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Message-ID: <CH2PR05MB6808265695FB32186200C35AC3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.

Terry Stetler

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Bob Kramer<mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
To: Terry Stetler<mailto:tlizzard at msn.com>
Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman<mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>; fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions.
Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.

Terry Stetler

Sent from Mail<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7C%7C92915c154d2a403424c108d7ffe47899%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637259229040545034&sdata=gLcDHaj%2FucyyUORUD78XHWhSD95Alo0hNMl40twrsxU%3D&reserved=0> for Windows 10

From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.

TeriAnn

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 24 08:44:50 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:44:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR05MB6808265695FB32186200C35AC3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR05MB6808265695FB32186200C35AC3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1FBE06AD-5D9C-4FAF-B1A5-7462DC84690A@aol.com>

Has anyone tried it in the U-joint housing of the Ford Or Chevy torque tube driveline cars and light trucks? It would eventually get diluted with SAE 90 gear oil....  getting proper lube into that joint always worries me. 
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bob Kramer
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
> To: Terry Stetler
> Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>  
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 24 08:44:50 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:44:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR05MB6808265695FB32186200C35AC3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR05MB6808265695FB32186200C35AC3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Has anyone tried it in the U-joint housing of the Ford Or Chevy torque tube driveline cars and light trucks? It would eventually get diluted with SAE 90 gear oil....  getting proper lube into that joint always worries me. 
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bob Kramer
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
> To: Terry Stetler
> Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>  
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun May 24 13:29:44 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:29:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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As a pulmonary Critical Care physician-?? I have taken care of pstients with Sars/Covid 19 syndromes. ?
23 y/o to 78 y/o. ?

? We have a special negative ?pressure ward to isolate these folks.?? Interesting to note that in past two weeks ?there has been a dramatic increase at our facility. ?Go figure. Just when we were feeling that we should ?open? up .?
Its more than just ?pneumonia?.?
Yes,?we have access to?medications but, they are not easy to get. ?
If you live on a farm / open country without comingling with others your risk is low. ?
Internet is full of?Risk assesment strategies but,??ask your Physician.?
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun May 24 13:51:57 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:51:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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 Succinct and point well made, thanks for posting it MordyThis is a dynamic situation...Glen
 
 
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As a pulmonary Critical Care physician-?? I have taken care of pstients with Sars/Covid 19 syndromes. ?
23 y/o to 78 y/o. ?

? We have a special negative ?pressure ward to isolate these folks.?? Interesting to note that in past two weeks ?there has been a dramatic increase at our facility. ?Go figure. Just when we were feeling that we should ?open? up .?
Its more than just ?pneumonia?.?
Yes,?we have access to?medications but, they are not easy to get. ?
If you live on a farm / open country without comingling with others your risk is low. ?
Internet is full of?Risk assesment strategies but,??ask your Physician.?
Mordy?
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun May 24 14:22:05 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 15:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 ?- Larry Young
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun May 24 16:28:47 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Very cool. Love the disc wheels. I?d like a model t roadster some day. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.
> 
> I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
>  - Larry Young
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From billdentin at aol.com  Sun May 24 16:40:41 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 22:40:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
References: <1274162210.694466.1590360041252.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 ?- Larry Young
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun May 24 16:41:49 2020
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:41:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup
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From: Robert Johns 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 6:22 PM
To: FOT team ; Robert Johns 
Subject: FW: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Johns
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:10 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup

 

My father had a 1947 Cheve pickup that was his daily driver and I could us it any time I wanted to. You say, what has that got to do with sports cars?   Well I will tell you.  I was planning to go to the races at Watkins Glen in 1952 and planned to sleep overnight before the race. As I had been to the race in 1951 and wanted to do things different this time.  I scouted up some metal rods from the oil field, that we lived in, and bent them into hoops to make a covered wagon top on the Cheve.  So off my buddy and I went off to the race.  You race historians will remember that the race in 1952 was the last race through town and the race was stopped after a child was hit and killed on Main Street.  So the sleeping facility worked well but the race viewing turned out to be a bust.    

 

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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun May 24 17:05:33 2020
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:05:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
Message-ID: <B76E099A8E2C428F854D281B0E81BC84@DESKTOPF2062B6>

Someone was wondering when detergent oils were initiated.  I grew up right down the street from the Kendall Refinery, and the addition of detergents was a big deal.  The detergents addition to old curded engines was a problem as the curd could-would break loose and plug up the oil pump screen.  Any way, as I remember the switch over was 1951/1952 period.  It is hard to find non-detergent these days in the better grades of oil. 
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun May 24 17:59:20 2020
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 17:59:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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On 5/24/2020 5:05 PM, Bob Johns via Fot wrote:
> Someone was wondering when detergent oils were initiated.? I grew up 
> right down the street from the Kendall Refinery, and the addition of 
> detergents was a big deal. The detergents addition to old curded 
> engines was a problem as the curd could-would break loose and plug up 
> the oil pump screen.? Any way, as I remember the switch over was 
> 1951/1952 period.? It is hard to find non-detergent these days in the 
> better grades of oil.


The problem was not just plugging up oil screens.? Engines of the time 
used babbitted bearings, which were sealed in place with paraffin-soaked 
wicking and similar materials that became carbonized as the hot metal 
was poured.? Detergents dislodged all that carbonized material and, 
oops!, what little oil pressure such engines had went away.

Detergents were introduced when manufacturers upgraded to shell bearings 
(which were greatly refined during the war years in aircraft engines).? 
Detergents tended to keep particles suspended in the oil, which 
minimized the chance of them becoming embedded in shell bearings, which 
was not so much a problem with babbitt metal.? The tin in babbitt metal 
was soft enough (and thick enough) for them to get pounded down so they 
didn't stick up much from the surface, thus minimizing the damage to 
often unhardened crankshafts.? The layer of soft metal in shell bearings 
is very thin, so the prospect of something getting stuck in them and 
being available to wear the crank required rethinking the oils used.

I suspect that the changeover to detergents was accompanied by the same 
sorts of problems that the changeover to synthetics presented.? If the 
engine is designed for the new oils, no problem.? If it wasn't, well, 
/caveat emptor /(my father, IIRC, blew up two engines in his `46 
Plymouth in the space of eight months around the time detergents became 
available).? In the late `70s, I remember reading some horror stories 
about engines converted to full synthetics that burned bearings because 
the synthetics ran out of the bearings a lot more quickly, with an 
attendant loss of oil pressure.? Around the same time, I worked with a 
guy who raced snowmobiles along with his brother.? He thought he'd try 
Mobil1, thinking he'd get another horsepower or so.? First time out, 
burned a bearing.? But, his engine had some hours on it, so they tried 
it in his brother's sled the next weekend, which had a fresh engine.? 
Burned a bearing.? Engines designed for the stuff ultimately had tighter 
clearances and higher-volume pumps.? Still remember some nitwit Navy 
lieutenant screaming at me that "jet engines used synthetics," so why 
couldn't he use it in his Toyota Celica (this after complaining about 
noisy operation only after he converted to Arco Graphite, which at the 
time was something like 0W-15... in Florida, in the summertime--its hot 
viscosity was less than water).? Trying patiently to explain that it's 
fine if it's designed for that oil and pointing to the owner's manual 
just didn't work....


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 18:46:53 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.

(It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)

Dusty Nicholson 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
> 
> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>>  
>>  
>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>  
>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>  
>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>  
>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>  
>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>  
>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>  
>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>  
>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>  
>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>  
>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>  
>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>  
>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>  
>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>  
>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>  
>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>  
>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>  
>> ?Justin
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>  
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>>  
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>  
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>  
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>  
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
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>> 
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 18:46:53 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.

(It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)

Dusty Nicholson 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
> 
> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>>  
>>  
>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>  
>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>  
>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>  
>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>  
>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>  
>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>  
>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>  
>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>  
>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>  
>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>  
>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>  
>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>  
>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>  
>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>  
>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>  
>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>  
>> ?Justin
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>  
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>>  
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>  
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>  
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>  
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun May 24 19:25:14 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:25:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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I third that request.  Thanks.
Dave H.  

Sent from my iPad

> On May 24, 2020, at 5:46 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.
> 
> (It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)
> 
> Dusty Nicholson 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
>> 
>> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
>> 
>> Bob Kramer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>>  
>>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>>  
>>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>>  
>>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>>  
>>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>>  
>>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>>  
>>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>>  
>>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>>  
>>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>>  
>>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>>  
>>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>>  
>>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>>  
>>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>>  
>>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>>  
>>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>>  
>>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>>  
>>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>>  
>>> ?Justin
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>>  
>>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>>  
>>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>>  
>>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>>  
>>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>>  
>>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>>> 
>>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>>> 
>>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>>> 
>>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>>> 
>>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>>> 
>>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>>> 
>>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>>> 
>>> ?Justin
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>> 
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>> 
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
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>>> 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 24 21:00:06 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:00:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] User names
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References: <28BD097F-8D6D-4262-8C66-B67C3198E00F@gmail.com>
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On 5/24/20 6:46 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote:
> YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign 
> their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.
>
> (It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t 
> have this problem)
>
> Dusty Nicholson


If the software on your computer behaves differently than the software 
on your phone there isn't anything I can do about it on my end.

mjb.




From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 24 21:11:36 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] User names
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Actually maybe there is something I can tweak on this end, involving 
DMARC header munging.? And chances are you won't know what that means, 
don't worry, no need to sweat those details.

But I need to get to work now, more on this tomorrow.

mjb.




From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon May 25 08:18:38 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 09:18:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Yes, I was wondering if anyone would know what that bicycle pump does. - 
Larry

On 5/24/2020 5:40 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote:
> Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
>
> Bill Dentinger
>



From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon May 25 08:51:25 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:51:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
In-Reply-To: <1274162210.694466.1590360041252@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Ah the manual fuel pump!Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring.He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros.Both with the handle on the left.We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both.The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun!Glen Efinger

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
Bill Dentinger

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com
 On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 ?- Larry Young
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon May 25 10:45:59 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 16:45:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?  Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.
Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels.

Terry Stetler

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: fubog1<mailto:fubog1 at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

Ah the manual fuel pump!
Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring.
He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros.
Both with the handle on the left.
We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both.
The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun!
Glen Efinger




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?

Bill Dentinger

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On Sunday, May 24, 2020, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?).
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling,
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication.
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards).
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time.
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 - Larry Young

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon May 25 11:14:36 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 17:14:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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References: <1274162210.694466.1590360041252.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

#yiv1482693213 #yiv1482693213 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv1482693213 #yiv1482693213 p.yiv1482693213MsoNormal, #yiv1482693213 li.yiv1482693213MsoNormal, #yiv1482693213 div.yiv1482693213MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1482693213 a:link, #yiv1482693213 span.yiv1482693213MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1482693213 .yiv1482693213MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {}#yiv1482693213 div.yiv1482693213WordSection1 {}#yiv1482693213 Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?? Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May 25 12:14:49 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 20:14:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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The pump pressurize the tank to force the fuel to the carburetors.
This pump is operated by the codriver.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Mai 2020 16:19
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Yes, I was wondering if anyone would know what that bicycle pump does. -
Larry

On 5/24/2020 5:40 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote:
> Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
>
> Bill Dentinger
>

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue May 26 05:33:43 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:33:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
In-Reply-To: <1316367576.3005126.1590426876813@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1274162210.694466.1590360041252.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Well last year my brother in law?s boat developed a fuel problem, and I came to realize pressurizing the tank manually got us back home. ? My trumpet lungs came in handy! ?Too bad there wasn?t a pump handy! ??
(Priming bulb didn?t work as turns out the leak was in the tank fitting)


Dave Gott


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On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 2:10 AM, fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> wrote:

 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

#yiv0203242680 -- filtered {}#yiv0203242680 filtered {}#yiv0203242680 filtered {}#yiv0203242680 p.yiv0203242680MsoNormal, #yiv0203242680 li.yiv0203242680MsoNormal, #yiv0203242680 div.yiv0203242680MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv0203242680 a:link, #yiv0203242680 span.yiv0203242680MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0203242680 .yiv0203242680MsoChpDefault {}#yiv0203242680 filtered {}#yiv0203242680 div.yiv0203242680WordSection1 {}#yiv0203242680 Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?? Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue May 26 05:51:16 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:51:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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 Classic!No further comment, I'm gonna leave that one alone...Glen Efinger
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; tlizzard at msn.com <tlizzard at msn.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 26, 2020 7:33 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

Well last year my brother in law?s boat developed a fuel problem, and I came to realize pressurizing the tank manually got us back home. ? My trumpet lungs came in handy! ?Too bad there wasn?t a pump handy! ??
(Priming bulb didn?t work as turns out the leak was in the tank fitting)


Dave Gott


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 2:10 AM, fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> wrote:
 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

#yiv6672880800 -- filtered {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 p.yiv6672880800MsoNormal, #yiv6672880800 li.yiv6672880800MsoNormal, #yiv6672880800 div.yiv6672880800MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6672880800 a:link, #yiv6672880800 span.yiv6672880800MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6672880800 .yiv6672880800MsoChpDefault {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 div.yiv6672880800WordSection1 {}#yiv6672880800 Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?? Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From dennis at motorsportranch.com  Tue May 26 10:43:47 2020
From: dennis at motorsportranch.com (Dennis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:43:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
Message-ID: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>


Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?  I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?  Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue May 26 10:45:19 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 09:45:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
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Message-ID: <000901d6337d$0b112590$213370b0$@klaenv.com>

 

 

From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News

 

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CSRG's "Contact Patch" 

 

	

 


Greetings! 

 

	



 

David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12

 

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Nine Frequently Asked Questions 

 

1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.

 

2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No

 

3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.

 

4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.

 

5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.

 

6) Are spectators allowed?: No

 

7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.

 

8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled

 

9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg

 

We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every 

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful, 

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your 

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.

 

We hope everything comes together 

& we can hold a safe, fun event. 

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Helmets for 2020

 


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There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year. 

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept. 

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.

 

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Mentoring

 

Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

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2020 CSRG Race Schedule

 


Spring Races at Thunderhill 

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled


David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12


17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4


Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1

 

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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.

 

Driver Conduct

 

(A compilation of the most common infractions)

*	If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

*	If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

*	When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

*	Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

*	Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

*	The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook) 

*	If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

*	If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

*	If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately. 

*	Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

*	Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

Click here to see a larger, printable version:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvpQwy5bcqjzvDdm_TbXW0bIm8LO7rrBB4ql60zmdXtZ19XInNdMGP8VD2NUyEmj9sTaNcCO4m0-EiYMAMr3zFkpXhjFkjGJvR3xnChj1m9X11XZ5ayjWTE8BYWSykgZJxnbPpSYBEpaJcUlcCCyWuM4HF0ytX0ZtdzsxpzE9mb9xw942sjSygxpvbOieWanoQnDnaX-cThdx&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Driver Conduct 

 

If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvpQwy5bcqjzvoH5M9zlDjqLZMUvSf9UKRFocmOoTed1NKOFSuMNN0fRwHXULH-p-IMiWvcyT_8u9vts0fBoNY5G15jd3i5clIBCsADLLCrm5PDiH2j-Z0Rzupk9hNSWxGpNrDv4p3owC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> http://bit.ly/CSRG_driver_handbook

 

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Digital Links

 

There are a lot of CSRG related videos on YouTube, but did you know that CSRG also has a YouTube Channel? Click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avk_mYB1HIxZ1ARqqrFTGba-t8968Niepb6iolhDs4MCy5fodOZNrLVDbPoD2qAolSCwEq8ywSvV-WsxxcqK8y3Hz-7n66M1h9e3FgROKlvSgW38c4ltIy4vRbro0HeRbuaAPmpDzxC5GrnbXol1liXwXXTt8floam1zkszo-Xpfr4eGKKLyn1rs=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Videos

 

Did you know that CSRG has not only a club website ( <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuZmtnB7JWKjVSurggigPMpMED7Fwd0wXtWDwGt0ENNjwrgbgEBT8DWU3ic9pakSp_zdqRCWHhdWzsNbxAKXnIXamQu13dFKW96RB4oLxB_WIbswsVMxiOjXr3K2C5doFQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.csrgracing.org) but also:

 

David Love Vintage Races Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvlPB5a_7Xrq32IcIV8NlS5jAbiFMse5cGKtEXnEcnaGb8JkZUNBfMXYG4USeRv0yNPS7lAv8jOQ6nJ58J3ginioALyCmCpqGGIOndpMdVqYinM10qPoZ1Sgw2QSFMa1eNoOxcrS8n5Xv&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> DLVR

 

Charity Challenge Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrD7LPyYXVCidoAKFxpBuapiXrG03NfYM9aK9d3WURfXXt1Zj3PLCbJAcM9ZYLgHZOuJ0CDIDDDTMdbe7hoJJowVpUTioYItetpO_1dNUmA0JfnOO6CZCDWxMl-oMg3udw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CC

 

Crossflow Cup Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvoKTL7_h3taifD7wlh96GbHVthQ9wX8y4MWK0v9tOnvyzqq9qMvr9YTEUewL4ZWSMNH3TNtvsy96oFgV-10MBX3Jc8pF20AMnKY6xXeNNQVVxmsLQ5OS3logByjgyTLG6A==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Crossflow

 

USRRC Group 4 Site:  

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John Morton Cup Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avm158MabuNS4euat5qEn9fRsZZ7C_QuOtndgk7VpSAdG96B3qFXlL1QfOF_dUBn7qrgNKA2ATslidgtWY9xTTfmv5D3kHZAx4BeOkzAntnjOK2zHWMKt1JcJ2uJqk6Khiw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Morton Cup

 

CSRG Facebook:  

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Race Group Tire Rules

 

Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups. 

 

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Click here to go to the HMP site:  

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Production Car Sub-Groups

 

Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set. 

 

However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set 

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.

 

The A, B & C Classes are:

 

'A'=prepped to 1962 rules 

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules 

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer) 

 

Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.

 

If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:

 


Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars 

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Scott Brown

British Cars

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

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For People Who Love Cars

 

Please support those who support 

the Classic Sports Racing Group

 

To go to the Hagerty site, click here:  

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Driving Bruce McLaren's M6

 


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Cars & Parts Classifieds

(Instructions for placing an ad follow the classifieds)

 

Cars for Sale

 

1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000

 

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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at  <mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net> tajlab at sbcglobal.net

 

EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10

 

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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com 

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee

 

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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000  

Buck Jones 831-917-5952 

 

1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior

 

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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus at Laguna $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or  <mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com> prtrenholme at gmail.com  

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Fantasy Junction

 

145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555

 

1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible

 

Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by 

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership 

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented 

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.

 

For more details & photos, please click on:  1968 GT500

 

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Parts/Trailers for Sale

 

2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price

 

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Multiple extras, including winch, canopy, heavy duty axles, cabinets, work table, ceiling vent, and other accessories. Purchased new 2013 for $30,800.  Low mileage and still under the 10 year factory warranty. Click here to see detailed invoice for all features:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFSHv0-2bUX4WuCcsp3eJ5MDOo8wpsQ_LhnIqQDNEq-7Z0js_og1hjuo0F1Vr2k5oTVAq7Bc47WyMSUOYOwVF3fpmj9MOOrVdcRgdt4znJIIp-YyqjLg9CPlRkADN-fKlxMP1tGCYbZepoL_b2En6GJkmqTJtLPkNEywRrRc6Y_93D4H7TLtC6n9pG4cpnZ4wCg6fkmIQYW&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Trailer Specs.. $10,000/OBO. Contact Mike Callaham at: <mailto:sushi43 at comcast.net> sushi43 at comcast.net

 

 

2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer

 

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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at:  <mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> jgrosseto at icloud.com Price. $10,000 offers considered

 

Formula Junior Engine

 

109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.

 

Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.

 

20 ft custom Alumalite trailer 

 

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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels

 

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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle. 

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> here to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

 

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Want to place an ad?

 

Here are the guidelines:

*	Ads are available only to CSRG members & are free of charge.
*	Ads will run for 4-6 CPs, depending upon volume.
*	Ads should be 50-60 words, excluding contact info. Include either an email address, home phone or cell phone number.
*	At the very least include a first name.
*	Include a link to a more detailed description, if possible.
*	Include an asking price.
*	Include a photo.

Email your ad to  <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com. 

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Contacts & Memberships

 

 CSRG Board


President

Locke de Bretteville

 <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com


Vice President

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Treasurer

Steve Torp

 <mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org> treasurer at csrgweb.org


Secretary

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com


Director

Ed Lamantia

 <mailto:piclhead at msn.com> piclhead at msn.com


Director

Scott Brown

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Director

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

CSRG Race Personnel


Race Director

Geoff Pitts

 <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org


Registrar

Petey Thorton

 <mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org> registrar at csrgweb.org


Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

 <mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com> h.boverhuis at gmail.com

510.541.0883

	
Car Eligibility

	


Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com


Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com

 

Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at    <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> csrg.motorsportreg.com. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org

 

 

Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at   <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org or Petey Thornton at  <mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org> Registrar at csrgweb.org

 


To the land we love and the love we land,

 

Mort Canard

 

	

 


Miscellaneous Information

 

Membership Renewals: If you can't remember whether you renewed for this season, you can check your Profile at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG MotorsportsReg or ask the Race Director.

Tech inspection sheets  

 

You can get a head start on your Tech Inspection tasks by downloading the Pre-Tech Inspection Forms.  These forms are not meant to replace the sheets you will receive by e-mail with your information packet but are provided as information and as a work sheet so you may inspect and gather all the data necessary to complete the official form.  Click  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjlDDJh3d_lQRWDjZbSrXEsRVdnh8vhkQz4ouKaBxaB8CMqTNh6a-3kOWTZ64ktLGiGx0UMBfLnE6y8SPx_3FpfJqgbTlE9lCpX9QY8SqatsgLmR-JfynWOpBK1uoMetxGRemjsGTarh2TC2AEXi0cLUPU1mGvV6Xn70yLOtg5IgybtFi6hoe_XxcmsdHX7-VuP6DJSUPKgzY=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> TechWorksheet to print your copy of the worksheet.

Event registration  

 

Click here to be directed to  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG.MotorsportReg for online registration.  Be sure to bookmark or save it as a favorite for quick access in the future. 

 

Despite the use of on-line membership applications & entries by the vast majority of our membership, there are still a few, very few, holdouts who insist on paper entries. For those individuals mail-in forms can be obtained by clicking on the "Event Schedule" button on our home page at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avl0gq4AJgw3zvkR3y99_fSYxJq3-r5_GAiJ0ZK3Vkk3CJmgNJOo8br5jsI-eoibRnxF-01jgZ7MKVH4hQLyt_hd7DphWM1jvMC9oixkBlEl0lgG5FI7_eP0=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.CSRGracing.org or by clicking on:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avo0DRTr83T_V7pViffZXJIxpLc3tcMCDNKP7suG4roqo8B2EZa4CqAoAyVE7rC0hzMy6YApIRFFqfM5C4WAdnVDmZ4ov5UF6oI6PRMOUZbW8L7uJ-rqZPkrtJ7lyRHJ7tGvD1IX7VR3kQapVIBW8JfTRltRQ3GND8g==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> EventSchedule. Note: Mail-in entry forms are specific for each event and will usually appear on the site 6 to 8 weeks before an event. 

CSRG Medical Form

 

Click on  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjCnAskhoJuwmBUUL25iJB0SxpbsMahhMXqNZ1GELd9GaK_v4HiYKqcPf_ZHSgrKGSIP6QtvDdhTfTc0xw9XOLY83sTubyhdz5s282RVGmORBKex9TzJNNePmF4VGbEoWgeV6use5WESR1y527Sn3KtMMrml0SpSd2arI8VaS0VuviGElnA1hDDY5joUxowlNM&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Med Form to download a copy of the form.  You do not need to send in the original Medical Form with the "wet" signature to CSRG.  You can now keep your original and either mail a clear  photocopy or, better yet, scan the complete two page form and email it  to:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> Race.Director at csrgweb.org.  

 

It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.  

 

Email  <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> Race.Director at CSRGweb.org if you have problems or additional questions.

 

Mailing Address:

 

CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.   

 

Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:  

 

CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.

 

New Members? We welcome drivers who believe in the spirit of vintage racing.  Curious?  Do you want to join CSRG or need more info? Email:  

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From jsukey at gmail.com  Tue May 26 10:57:33 2020
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 12:57:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
In-Reply-To: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
References: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmo4o9RhY89OZKJc1YgGGC+_dAtFLqV7WzyYqCCzfWi83bLmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dennis,
         I have a warmed up TR6 engine and gearbox in my street GT6.  The
extra low end grunt is so much fun!  The basic engine block is the same, so
mounting is a non issue.  The GT6 sump will need a little massaging with a
hammer to clear the longer crank throws of the 2.5L.  I've als heard that
aftermarket rods will reduce the need to modify the sump for clearance, but
can't verify first hand.

If you retain the TR6 intake manifold, you'll have bonnet clearance
issues.  A GT6+ or MK3 intake will bolt to the wide port TR6 head without
issue.  If you plan to rev it much, you will want to look into 1.75" carbs
for sure.

The stock gearbox might not like the extra torque, going to a TR6 gearbox
is highly recommended.  Not that hard to fit.  You'll need to fab up a rear
mounting bracket, bend the clutch arm to clear the frame, and have a custom
driveshaft made.

Jason Sukey

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:44 PM Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:

>
> Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?
> I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine.
>
> Will it fit?  Any modifications needed?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dennis Walje
>
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue May 26 11:31:21 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:31:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
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This announcement came from CSRG about how they are approaching trying to race in the near future.  It is worth reading.  In the forward not all the information was sent along.  If you want to read it go the CSRG website and take a look.  I think it is worth a few minutes to see how they are handling trying to get back to racing.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:45 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News

 

 

 

From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News

 

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CSRG's "Contact Patch" 

 

	

 


Greetings! 

 

	



 

David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12

 

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Nine Frequently Asked Questions 

 

1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.

 

2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No

 

3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.

 

4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.

 

5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.

 

6) Are spectators allowed?: No

 

7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.

 

8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled

 

9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg

 

We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every 

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful, 

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your 

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.

 

We hope everything comes together 

& we can hold a safe, fun event. 

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Helmets for 2020

 


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There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year. 

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept. 

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.

 

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Mentoring

 

Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

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2020 CSRG Race Schedule

 


Spring Races at Thunderhill 

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled


David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12


17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4


Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1

 

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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.

 

Driver Conduct

 

(A compilation of the most common infractions)

*	If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

*	If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

*	When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

*	Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

*	Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

*	The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook) 

*	If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

*	If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

*	If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately. 

*	Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

*	Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

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If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.  

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Digital Links

 

There are a lot of CSRG related videos on YouTube, but did you know that CSRG also has a YouTube Channel? Click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avk_mYB1HIxZ1ARqqrFTGba-t8968Niepb6iolhDs4MCy5fodOZNrLVDbPoD2qAolSCwEq8ywSvV-WsxxcqK8y3Hz-7n66M1h9e3FgROKlvSgW38c4ltIy4vRbro0HeRbuaAPmpDzxC5GrnbXol1liXwXXTt8floam1zkszo-Xpfr4eGKKLyn1rs=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Videos

 

Did you know that CSRG has not only a club website ( <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuZmtnB7JWKjVSurggigPMpMED7Fwd0wXtWDwGt0ENNjwrgbgEBT8DWU3ic9pakSp_zdqRCWHhdWzsNbxAKXnIXamQu13dFKW96RB4oLxB_WIbswsVMxiOjXr3K2C5doFQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.csrgracing.org) but also:

 

David Love Vintage Races Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvlPB5a_7Xrq32IcIV8NlS5jAbiFMse5cGKtEXnEcnaGb8JkZUNBfMXYG4USeRv0yNPS7lAv8jOQ6nJ58J3ginioALyCmCpqGGIOndpMdVqYinM10qPoZ1Sgw2QSFMa1eNoOxcrS8n5Xv&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> DLVR

 

Charity Challenge Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrD7LPyYXVCidoAKFxpBuapiXrG03NfYM9aK9d3WURfXXt1Zj3PLCbJAcM9ZYLgHZOuJ0CDIDDDTMdbe7hoJJowVpUTioYItetpO_1dNUmA0JfnOO6CZCDWxMl-oMg3udw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CC

 

Crossflow Cup Site:  

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USRRC Group 4 Site:  

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John Morton Cup Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avm158MabuNS4euat5qEn9fRsZZ7C_QuOtndgk7VpSAdG96B3qFXlL1QfOF_dUBn7qrgNKA2ATslidgtWY9xTTfmv5D3kHZAx4BeOkzAntnjOK2zHWMKt1JcJ2uJqk6Khiw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Morton Cup

 

CSRG Facebook:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avlylu93ObPnwuMHuIMb-Gy00eIg5ErwEGW7ZF02kTh3vZ4xFmOuAWFaYCCHjRs7KAUANMmsICFIs8UFzuEi94Up0d1WEQVsMniORHaLjZWy8FM7WMhY_S8vMCHvwwzVMFLVI079Gfpyd&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG FB

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Race Group Tire Rules

 

Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups. 

 

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Click here to go to the HMP site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvkJ46AMshCZWc0mFcr13Ob28vBJ6IKTf1uRmYJpM8HHmLVoD9DiugMFZl5IxK1ky0fwPzQV5936oOcGfxCZNTHSIruyO8uCsnKgWZLo9etTb5Ub88eNsyv4EMj0S17NCcA==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> HMP

 

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Production Car Sub-Groups

 

Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set. 

 

However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set 

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.

 

The A, B & C Classes are:

 

'A'=prepped to 1962 rules 

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules 

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer) 

 

Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.

 

If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:

 


Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars 

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Scott Brown

British Cars

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

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For People Who Love Cars

 

Please support those who support 

the Classic Sports Racing Group

 

To go to the Hagerty site, click here:  

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Driving Bruce McLaren's M6

 


 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuLmBludazDgDdVV3NuzPqLLSheJHFE7htEavDRgCD8kLfjFvWahHaNMvC7oVLhuS2MZOGLwXiyVb3MVb0PD6MqCReHEuO0yLDEYNjM1qF55hd34TSmORrrGJLKZlJq3j-qq8M8XbYFekhyxEQM7Qpw=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Image removed by sender. Being Bruce: Driving Bruce McLaren's M6A

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Cars & Parts Classifieds

(Instructions for placing an ad follow the classifieds)

 

Cars for Sale

 

1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000

 

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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at  <mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net> tajlab at sbcglobal.net

 

EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10

 

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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com 

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee

 

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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000  

Buck Jones 831-917-5952 

 

1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior

 

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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus at Laguna $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or  <mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com> prtrenholme at gmail.com  

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Fantasy Junction

 

145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555

 

1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible

 

Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by 

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership 

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented 

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.

 

For more details & photos, please click on:  1968 GT500

 

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Parts/Trailers for Sale

 

2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price

 

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Multiple extras, including winch, canopy, heavy duty axles, cabinets, work table, ceiling vent, and other accessories. Purchased new 2013 for $30,800.  Low mileage and still under the 10 year factory warranty. Click here to see detailed invoice for all features:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFSHv0-2bUX4WuCcsp3eJ5MDOo8wpsQ_LhnIqQDNEq-7Z0js_og1hjuo0F1Vr2k5oTVAq7Bc47WyMSUOYOwVF3fpmj9MOOrVdcRgdt4znJIIp-YyqjLg9CPlRkADN-fKlxMP1tGCYbZepoL_b2En6GJkmqTJtLPkNEywRrRc6Y_93D4H7TLtC6n9pG4cpnZ4wCg6fkmIQYW&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Trailer Specs.. $10,000/OBO. Contact Mike Callaham at: <mailto:sushi43 at comcast.net> sushi43 at comcast.net

 

 

2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer

 

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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at:  <mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> jgrosseto at icloud.com Price. $10,000 offers considered

 

Formula Junior Engine

 

109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.

 

Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.

 

20 ft custom Alumalite trailer 

 

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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels

 

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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle. 

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> here to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

 

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Want to place an ad?

 

Here are the guidelines:

*	Ads are available only to CSRG members & are free of charge.
*	Ads will run for 4-6 CPs, depending upon volume.
*	Ads should be 50-60 words, excluding contact info. Include either an email address, home phone or cell phone number.
*	At the very least include a first name.
*	Include a link to a more detailed description, if possible.
*	Include an asking price.
*	Include a photo.

Email your ad to  <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com. 

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Contacts & Memberships

 

 CSRG Board


President

Locke de Bretteville

 <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com


Vice President

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Treasurer

Steve Torp

 <mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org> treasurer at csrgweb.org


Secretary

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com


Director

Ed Lamantia

 <mailto:piclhead at msn.com> piclhead at msn.com


Director

Scott Brown

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Director

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

CSRG Race Personnel


Race Director

Geoff Pitts

 <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org


Registrar

Petey Thorton

 <mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org> registrar at csrgweb.org


Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

 <mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com> h.boverhuis at gmail.com

510.541.0883

	
Car Eligibility

	


Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com


Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com

 

Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at    <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> csrg.motorsportreg.com. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org

 

 

Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at   <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org or Petey Thornton at  <mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org> Registrar at csrgweb.org

 


To the land we love and the love we land,

 

Mort Canard

 

	

 


Miscellaneous Information

 

Membership Renewals: If you can't remember whether you renewed for this season, you can check your Profile at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG MotorsportsReg or ask the Race Director.

Tech inspection sheets  

 

You can get a head start on your Tech Inspection tasks by downloading the Pre-Tech Inspection Forms.  These forms are not meant to replace the sheets you will receive by e-mail with your information packet but are provided as information and as a work sheet so you may inspect and gather all the data necessary to complete the official form.  Click  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjlDDJh3d_lQRWDjZbSrXEsRVdnh8vhkQz4ouKaBxaB8CMqTNh6a-3kOWTZ64ktLGiGx0UMBfLnE6y8SPx_3FpfJqgbTlE9lCpX9QY8SqatsgLmR-JfynWOpBK1uoMetxGRemjsGTarh2TC2AEXi0cLUPU1mGvV6Xn70yLOtg5IgybtFi6hoe_XxcmsdHX7-VuP6DJSUPKgzY=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> TechWorksheet to print your copy of the worksheet.

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Despite the use of on-line membership applications & entries by the vast majority of our membership, there are still a few, very few, holdouts who insist on paper entries. For those individuals mail-in forms can be obtained by clicking on the "Event Schedule" button on our home page at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avl0gq4AJgw3zvkR3y99_fSYxJq3-r5_GAiJ0ZK3Vkk3CJmgNJOo8br5jsI-eoibRnxF-01jgZ7MKVH4hQLyt_hd7DphWM1jvMC9oixkBlEl0lgG5FI7_eP0=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.CSRGracing.org or by clicking on:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avo0DRTr83T_V7pViffZXJIxpLc3tcMCDNKP7suG4roqo8B2EZa4CqAoAyVE7rC0hzMy6YApIRFFqfM5C4WAdnVDmZ4ov5UF6oI6PRMOUZbW8L7uJ-rqZPkrtJ7lyRHJ7tGvD1IX7VR3kQapVIBW8JfTRltRQ3GND8g==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> EventSchedule. Note: Mail-in entry forms are specific for each event and will usually appear on the site 6 to 8 weeks before an event. 

CSRG Medical Form

 

Click on  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjCnAskhoJuwmBUUL25iJB0SxpbsMahhMXqNZ1GELd9GaK_v4HiYKqcPf_ZHSgrKGSIP6QtvDdhTfTc0xw9XOLY83sTubyhdz5s282RVGmORBKex9TzJNNePmF4VGbEoWgeV6use5WESR1y527Sn3KtMMrml0SpSd2arI8VaS0VuviGElnA1hDDY5joUxowlNM&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Med Form to download a copy of the form.  You do not need to send in the original Medical Form with the "wet" signature to CSRG.  You can now keep your original and either mail a clear  photocopy or, better yet, scan the complete two page form and email it  to:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> Race.Director at csrgweb.org.  

 

It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.  

 

Email  <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> Race.Director at CSRGweb.org if you have problems or additional questions.

 

Mailing Address:

 

CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.   

 

Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:  

 

CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.

 

New Members? We welcome drivers who believe in the spirit of vintage racing.  Curious?  Do you want to join CSRG or need more info? Email:  

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From britracer89 at yahoo.com  Tue May 26 12:07:15 2020
From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 18:07:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
In-Reply-To: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
References: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
Message-ID: <1050180216.5081491.1590516435447@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Dennis,Although I run the 2.0L in my spitsix race car the TR6 is the same block and will fit using GT6 mounts. As already stated use the GT6 sump with some mild modification.? I also use the TR6 gearbox with a simple rear gearbox bracket to mount the stock TR6 mount. Driveshaft is a sliding spline yoke MGB shaft with GT6 flanges. The TR6 gearbox flange is simply re-drilled to accept the GT6 flange. Due to the u-joint size I do not recommend dumping the clutch to do burnouts.
Good luck!Brian Dennis

    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 12:52:20 PM EDT, Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:  
 
 
Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?? I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?? Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 26 13:53:27 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 19:53:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
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References: <1134245857481.1102166611696.1951435901.0.1501204JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com>
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Ken, maybe its my computer but I don't see anything but individual questions, no info. I went to the CSRG website and don't see anything there? Help. ?

Marty

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Kenneth Knight <kknight at klaenv.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:31 PM
To: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News


This announcement came from CSRG about how they are approaching trying to race in the near future.  It is worth reading.  In the forward not all the information was sent along.  If you want to read it go the CSRG website and take a look.  I think it is worth a few minutes to see how they are handling trying to get back to racing.



From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Knight
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:45 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News







From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News







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CSRG's "Contact Patch"





Greetings!





David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12



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Nine Frequently Asked Questions



1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.



2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No



3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.



4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.



5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.



6) Are spectators allowed?: No



7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.



8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled



9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg



We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful,

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.



We hope everything comes together

& we can hold a safe, fun event.

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Helmets for 2020



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There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year.

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept.

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.



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Mentoring



Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.



Thank you in advance!



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2020 CSRG Race Schedule



Spring Races at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled

David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12

17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4

Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1



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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.



Driver Conduct



(A compilation of the most common infractions)

  *   If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

  *   If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

  *   When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

  *   Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

  *   Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

  *   The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook)

  *   If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

  *   If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

  *   If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately.

  *   Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

  *   Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

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If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.

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Digital Links



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Did you know that CSRG has not only a club website (www.csrgracing.org<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuZmtnB7JWKjVSurggigPMpMED7Fwd0wXtWDwGt0ENNjwrgbgEBT8DWU3ic9pakSp_zdqRCWHhdWzsNbxAKXnIXamQu13dFKW96RB4oLxB_WIbswsVMxiOjXr3K2C5doFQ%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579655355&sdata=SIEZa%2B%2BLOritT1PvDYRgx5jCdYvSTZohwtmlPX%2BkXO8%3D&reserved=0>) but also:



David Love Vintage Races Site:

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Charity Challenge Site:

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Crossflow Cup Site:

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USRRC Group 4 Site:

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John Morton Cup Site:

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CSRG Facebook:

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Race Group Tire Rules



Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups.



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Click here to go to the HMP site:

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Production Car Sub-Groups



Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set.



However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.



The A, B & C Classes are:



'A'=prepped to 1962 rules

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer)



Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.



If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:



Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Scott Brown

British Cars

scott at scottbrowndesign.com<mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com>

Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>



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For People Who Love Cars



Please support those who support

the Classic Sports Racing Group



To go to the Hagerty site, click here:

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Driving Bruce McLaren's M6



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Cars & Parts Classifieds

(Instructions for placing an ad follow the classifieds)



Cars for Sale



1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000



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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here: Lotus<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579705326&sdata=4Y2SS8pEnSLBIzWAIr5A7VDF7ALz4Mf%2FAz7J31tdeT4%3D&reserved=0>. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at tajlab at sbcglobal.net<mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net>



EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10



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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel rfeds at bendcable.com<mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com>

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603



1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee



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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000

Buck Jones 831-917-5952



1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or prichins at jps.net<mailto:prichins at jps.net>



1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior



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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video: Lotus at Laguna<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579705326&sdata=Chi4u4Xy%2BoL%2BNc%2BVodGSGzCX9F%2FJaMbKE6qMBZz%2BBSs%3D&reserved=0> $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or prtrenholme at gmail.com<mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com>

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Fantasy Junction



145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555



1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible



Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.



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Parts/Trailers for Sale



2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price



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Multiple extras, including winch, canopy, heavy duty axles, cabinets, work table, ceiling vent, and other accessories. Purchased new 2013 for $30,800.  Low mileage and still under the 10 year factory warranty. Click here to see detailed invoice for all features: Trailer Specs.<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFSHv0-2bUX4WuCcsp3eJ5MDOo8wpsQ_LhnIqQDNEq-7Z0js_og1hjuo0F1Vr2k5oTVAq7Bc47WyMSUOYOwVF3fpmj9MOOrVdcRgdt4znJIIp-YyqjLg9CPlRkADN-fKlxMP1tGCYbZepoL_b2En6GJkmqTJtLPkNEywRrRc6Y_93D4H7TLtC6n9pG4cpnZ4wCg6fkmIQYW%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579715323&sdata=f7BIf1N3NWBCZ%2FakJA0rf3tjccHnRDtQ0%2FsKKyQNjbs%3D&reserved=0>. $10,000/OBO. Contact Mike Callaham at:sushi43 at comcast.net<mailto:sushi43 at comcast.net>





2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer



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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at: jgrosseto at icloud.com<mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> Price. $10,000 offers considered



Formula Junior Engine



109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.



Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.



20 ft custom Alumalite trailer



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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel rfeds at bendcable.com<mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com>

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603



Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels



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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle.

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click here<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579725317&sdata=WdrJpIuV%2FNRlgK3AWmAz4mJKu4UrxKJq2ukY7Uzj2vs%3D&reserved=0> to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or prichins at jps.net<mailto:prichins at jps.net>





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Want to place an ad?



Here are the guidelines:

  *   Ads are available only to CSRG members & are free of charge.
  *   Ads will run for 4-6 CPs, depending upon volume.
  *   Ads should be 50-60 words, excluding contact info. Include either an email address, home phone or cell phone number.
  *   At the very least include a first name.
  *   Include a link to a more detailed description, if possible.
  *   Include an asking price.
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Contacts & Memberships



 CSRG Board

President

Locke de Bretteville

csrglocke at gmail.com<mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com>

Vice President

Jon Norman

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Treasurer

Steve Torp

treasurer at csrgweb.org<mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org>

Secretary

Ethan Shippert

eshippert55 at gmail.com<mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com>

Director

Ed Lamantia

piclhead at msn.com<mailto:piclhead at msn.com>

Director

Scott Brown

scott at scottbrowndesign.com<mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com>

Director

Dan Wardman

d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>



CSRG Race Personnel

Race Director

Geoff Pitts

race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org>

Registrar

Petey Thorton

registrar at csrgweb.org<mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org>

Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

h.boverhuis at gmail.com<mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com>

510.541.0883

Car Eligibility

Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

scott at scottbrowndesign.com<mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com>

d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>

Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

eshippert55 at gmail.com<mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com>



Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at   csrg.motorsportreg.com<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579725317&sdata=HX%2FPdWt2g8sZVb455IDwhx8pJFM%2BSNsvFzxIw0HNH6M%3D&reserved=0>. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him: race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org>





Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at  race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> or Petey Thornton at Registrar at csrgweb.org<mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org>



To the land we love and the love we land,



Mort Canard





Miscellaneous Information



Membership Renewals: If you can't remember whether you renewed for this season, you can check your Profile at CSRG MotorsportsReg<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579735309&sdata=%2BURJInkZb3yr53320u%2BNKF%2BBJ96ZYmAjqOkggJAf2E4%3D&reserved=0> or ask the Race Director.

Tech inspection sheets



You can get a head start on your Tech Inspection tasks by downloading the Pre-Tech Inspection Forms.  These forms are not meant to replace the sheets you will receive by e-mail with your information packet but are provided as information and as a work sheet so you may inspect and gather all the data necessary to complete the official form.  Click TechWorksheet<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjlDDJh3d_lQRWDjZbSrXEsRVdnh8vhkQz4ouKaBxaB8CMqTNh6a-3kOWTZ64ktLGiGx0UMBfLnE6y8SPx_3FpfJqgbTlE9lCpX9QY8SqatsgLmR-JfynWOpBK1uoMetxGRemjsGTarh2TC2AEXi0cLUPU1mGvV6Xn70yLOtg5IgybtFi6hoe_XxcmsdHX7-VuP6DJSUPKgzY%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579735309&sdata=R4FvPHs%2FKAvOXPmF0HSub83ZYg%2FYObveasn36bbEQN8%3D&reserved=0> to print your copy of the worksheet.

Event registration



Click here to be directed to CSRG.MotorsportReg<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579745302&sdata=VdBUNOTxnlPXDzHyajdzOtW5bosLqFcRubWeNS%2B66LU%3D&reserved=0> for online registration.  Be sure to bookmark or save it as a favorite for quick access in the future.



Despite the use of on-line membership applications & entries by the vast majority of our membership, there are still a few, very few, holdouts who insist on paper entries. For those individuals mail-in forms can be obtained by clicking on the "Event Schedule" button on our home page at www.CSRGracing.org<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avl0gq4AJgw3zvkR3y99_fSYxJq3-r5_GAiJ0ZK3Vkk3CJmgNJOo8br5jsI-eoibRnxF-01jgZ7MKVH4hQLyt_hd7DphWM1jvMC9oixkBlEl0lgG5FI7_eP0%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579745302&sdata=MB3DYkNwOgBZh2E0%2F9X9S%2FfrmztW6tlfGkYklHqXNHI%3D&reserved=0> or by clicking on: EventSchedule<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avo0DRTr83T_V7pViffZXJIxpLc3tcMCDNKP7suG4roqo8B2EZa4CqAoAyVE7rC0hzMy6YApIRFFqfM5C4WAdnVDmZ4ov5UF6oI6PRMOUZbW8L7uJ-rqZPkrtJ7lyRHJ7tGvD1IX7VR3kQapVIBW8JfTRltRQ3GND8g%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579745302&sdata=m1K%2FxQ5KQJ8%2F1HaZ5SsZsq00UyatH1Js4T6gwFaMscU%3D&reserved=0>. Note: Mail-in entry forms are specific for each event and will usually appear on the site 6 to 8 weeks before an event.

CSRG Medical Form



Click on CSRG Med Form<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjCnAskhoJuwmBUUL25iJB0SxpbsMahhMXqNZ1GELd9GaK_v4HiYKqcPf_ZHSgrKGSIP6QtvDdhTfTc0xw9XOLY83sTubyhdz5s282RVGmORBKex9TzJNNePmF4VGbEoWgeV6use5WESR1y527Sn3KtMMrml0SpSd2arI8VaS0VuviGElnA1hDDY5joUxowlNM%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579755305&sdata=ZmO7lybXDScpg%2BgvNTz4rFY7%2BU79VMNVr88a1T3fyPE%3D&reserved=0> to download a copy of the form.  You do not need to send in the original Medical Form with the "wet" signature to CSRG.  You can now keep your original and either mail a clear  photocopy or, better yet, scan the complete two page form and email it  to: Race.Director at csrgweb.org<mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org>.



It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.



Email Race.Director at CSRGweb.org<mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> if you have problems or additional questions.



Mailing Address:



CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.



Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:



CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.



New Members? We welcome drivers who believe in the spirit of vintage racing.  Curious?  Do you want to join CSRG or need more info? Email:

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 26 14:02:51 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 15:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514238F6BAD6B4D3E7461EBBAB00@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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The text ended up black on black.? I find if I highlight the text in the 
e-mail I can read it.

- Tony Drews

On 5/26/2020 2:53 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>
> *To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.*
>
> *_2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?:_**No*
>
> *_3) What procedural changes will there be?:_**Our goal is to have the 
> three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & 
> Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we 
> will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are 
> considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John 
> Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.*
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From britcars at bellsouth.net  Tue May 26 17:48:12 2020
From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 23:48:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
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 I am finishing a GT6 running gear into a 1964 Herald. Not quite a bolt in but not far from it.
Barry Rosenberg
    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 12:45:27 PM EDT, Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:  
 
 
Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?? I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?? Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 04:35:47 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:35:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420A594B7F69F7DF385B12DE1B10@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....

"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Wed May 27 05:29:26 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 07:29:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3A for sale in Dallas TX
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcGfbdV60OL3dDs21dzUMU=ztWgJmR24mFxLnNUXOTzTtA@mail.gmail.com>

A friend lives in New England and is interested in buying this car and
asked if someone on our site could take a personal look and provide some
feedback before he makes an offer.   Car is located in Dallas, TX and a
private sale.  He is willing to pay for this service if anyone has the time
and knowledge.


https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/triumph/tr3a/2398208.html

Thanks

John Styduhar
724-699-8594
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 07:06:30 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:06:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I recall it was "The Front Straight Blues", but what do I know.

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk

This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....

"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

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Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 08:11:21 2020
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:11:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Lol I thought it was the Porsche Blues


Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 8:14 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:

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I recall it was ?The Front Straight Blues?, but what do I know.
 
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Scott (B.)
 
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
 
 ?
 
This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
 
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"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
 
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Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
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From dennis at motorsportranch.com  Wed May 27 08:49:01 2020
From: dennis at motorsportranch.com (Dennis)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 09:49:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 drive train into GT6
Message-ID: <A7127696-6AAB-4B0C-A9D3-1370524679D7@motorsportranch.com>


Thanks all for the great info. Sounds like best option is to stick with GT6 motor and upgrade trans and rear suspension. 

Dennis Walje

Sent from my iPhone


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed May 27 08:51:26 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 09:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFJldHVybiB0byBNaWQtT2hpb+KAnS4gICAgVGhl?=
 =?utf-8?q?_Kastner_Cup_Poster_for_2020=2E?=
References: <23D24FB1-312B-494F-9B96-A37E50143F83.ref@cs.com>
Message-ID: <23D24FB1-312B-494F-9B96-A37E50143F83@cs.com>

FOT:   No surprise, we are getting requests for the event poster.

THE POSTERS ARE NOW AVAILABLE FOR DISTRIBUTION.

If you are an entrant or contributed to the Kastner Cup, they are GRATIS.

If you require a poster to be mailed, they are $12.50 by PAYPAL or Check.

They will be available at the track for a fee.

This Poster, by CLARK LINCOLN, is a Historical Grid of Kas? Cars, or cars he had associations with. This poster is the last in a series since 2008 and is very collectible.

The offer goes first to the FOT, and then to the Triumph Community at large. I will try my best to get the mailed tubes out before the Cup.

Best Regards,
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PAYPAL: n197tr4 at cs.com
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 09:55:18 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Message-ID: <830f0a3c-bff4-46de-c15e-86f3fdcc1705@tonydrews.com>

Awww.? Good memories, good times.

- Tony Drews

On 5/27/2020 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:
>
> I recall it was ?The Front Straight Blues?, but what do I know.
>
> Scott (B.)
>
> *From:*Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Barr, Scott
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
> *To:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>
> This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
>
> "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, 
> and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk 
> Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
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> Image
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From kenandtweety at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 10:20:33 2020
From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 16:20:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 In 2001 I was fortunate enough to get a copy of Jack's racing songs. They rode with me to my racing trips until I no longer had a cassette player in my tow vehicle. What a great group of guys who added to the weekend fun. It is always surprising to learn of someone's talent. You can't see the harmonica in the group photo that John was playing when not singing also. After Bill's untimely death I don't believe this happened anymore.

Ken Suhre     On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 05:44:13 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 12:19:19 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 18:19:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From emanteno at comcast.net  Wed May 27 12:33:22 2020
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:33:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the
> great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a
> Terabyte of storage.
>
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one
of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of
copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 12:47:28 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 18:47:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)

Scott (B.)

From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk



On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net<mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.

Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.

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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 13:14:58 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
>  
> Scott (B.)
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
>  
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 13:14:58 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
>  
> Scott (B.)
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
>  
> Irv Korey
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 14:18:57 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 15:18:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
In-Reply-To: <96E4EE9C-48BF-463E-A5AC-A7EC1E5AF375@sbcglobal.net>
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Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or 
download to your favorite device.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1

Regards, Tony Drews

On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund 
> or whatever.
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.? And 
>> I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that 
>> makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>>
>> *From:*Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
>> *To:* Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider 
>> <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to
>>     record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in
>>     our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>>
>> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have 
>> one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a 
>> couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost.
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Wed May 27 14:28:24 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 20:28:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Wednesday, May 27, 2020,?Gary Schneider?<garygret at sbcglobal.net>?wrote:

 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From steve at artwithcars.com  Wed May 27 14:36:45 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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These songs are CLASSIC!!!!!

~Steve Belfer

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice.  Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here).  And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
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> 
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> Gary
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
> 
> "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
> 
> <FB_IMG_1590575426058.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
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From billdentin at aol.com  Wed May 27 14:44:55 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 20:44:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Beady Eye has two to add, if I can find them.? They are on a cassette somewhere.? One "Cover of Victory Lane" is a take off on Cover of Rolling Stone.? And the other is a take off on the old Elvis tune called "You don't have to let me pass you, just let me catch up."? I'll have to look for them.
Bill Dentinger

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Sent: Wed, May 27, 2020 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk

These songs are CLASSIC!!!!!
~Steve Belfer

On May 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com> wrote:
A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Wednesday, May 27, 2020,?Gary Schneider?<garygret at sbcglobal.net>?wrote:

 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 14:53:34 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 15:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Dad always felt bad that they didn't think to invite W.S. Thompson to 
the recording session in Bill Dalton's studio.? Kinda eerie listening to 
them now, but bring back great memories (and a tear to my eye).

- Tony

On 5/27/2020 3:28 PM, Bill Dentinger wrote:
> A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a 
> great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And 
> Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
>
> Bill Dentinger
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> On?Wednesday, May 27, 2020,?Gary 
> Schneider?<garygret at sbcglobal.net>?wrote:
>
>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record
>     the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our
>     pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>     Gary
>
>
>     On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott
>     <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>
>
>     This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
>
>     "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John
>     Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The
>     Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
>
>     Image
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed May 27 15:38:33 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:38:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wtd: TR 3 RR
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Help !! Anyone have a usable RR body corner they want to sell ? 

Yes , I can make the patch panels ... just seeing what?s available:-) 

Cheers
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 21:43:03 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 03:43:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 Tony,You da Man! If I close my eyes I can still see them playing.Thanks a ton! Hope to see you next month.Gary

    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:22:40 PM CDT, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:  
 
  
Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
 
 
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1 
 
 
Regards, Tony Drews
 
 On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
  
 
 Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever. Gary
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
 
 
  
 ? 
 
I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.? And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
 
 ?
 
Scott (B.)
 
 ?
 
From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
 To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
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 Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
 
 ?
   
 ?
  
 ?
   
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  
    
Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
    
 ?
 
  
Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost. 
   
 ?
   
Irv Korey
     
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Wed May 27 22:32:19 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 00:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I haven?t really followed this tread but in the interest of Triumph songs  here is a song my son and i wrote traveling to a national meeting,,,,,, great time ,,,,,,,,, 


> On May 27, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Tony,
> You da Man! If I close my eyes I can still see them playing.
> Thanks a ton! Hope to see you next month.
> Gary
> 
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:22:40 PM CDT, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1 <https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1> 
> Regards, Tony Drews
> On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> 
> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
> Gary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> <mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
> 
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
> 
>  
> Scott (B.)
> 
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> <mailto:emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> <mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
> 
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> 
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> 
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
> 
>  
> Irv Korey
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed May 27 22:36:53 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Oh my, oh my.  Thank you very much for sharing these songs, Tony.  They are absolutely wonderful.  What a pleasure to hear them.  Who wrote the lyrics?  Real treasures.  Really nice and smooth guitar too.  Hoagy Carmichael wrote Georgia, a great modern/classic.  This arrangement, with appropriate lyrics is very enjoyable.  Again, thanks for sharing these.  I will indeed download them and include them in my shuffled music play list.  
When I was a kid attending Catholic school near Cleveland, Ohio, even the nuns knew of Hoagy Carmichael, but I didn't at the time.  They always mentioned him when I was introduced to them. 
I wish I had become involved in racing Triumphs a few years earlier. I would have so enjoyed seeing and hearing these guys play during a race weekend.  I'm sure that knowing Jack just a little would have been really sweet too.
"Porsches aren't allowed in heaven".
Dave Hogye


> On May 27, 2020 at 1:18 PM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
> 
>     https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1
> 
>     Regards, Tony Drews
> 
>     On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> 
>         > > Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
> >         Gary
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > 
> >             > > > On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             Scott (B.)
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> mailto:emanteno at comcast.net
> > >             Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> > >             To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net
> > >             Cc: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net ; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> > >             Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> > > > 
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >             Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             Irv Korey
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> > 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 22:51:47 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 23:51:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Jack came up with the lyrics.? They were somewhat honed at the track 
parties organized by William Severin Thompson the 3rd.? I miss those 
Thicko parties.? Eventually Bill Dalton invited Jack to come up to his 
place and record them in his studio.? All of the instruments in the 
songs are Bill Dalton.? I was surprised at how good a musicians my 
fellow racers are.? The Road America Blues lyrics immortalizes several 
of the group that hung out at those parties.

Regards, Tony

On 5/27/2020 11:36 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote:
> Oh my, oh my.? Thank you very much for sharing these songs, Tony.? 
> They are absolutely wonderful.? What a pleasure to hear them.? Who 
> wrote the lyrics?? Real treasures.? Really nice and smooth guitar too. 
> Hoagy Carmichael wrote Georgia, a great modern/classic.? This 
> arrangement, with appropriate lyrics is very enjoyable.? Again, thanks 
> for sharing these.? I will indeed download them and include them in my 
> shuffled music play list.
> When I was a kid attending Catholic school near Cleveland, Ohio, even 
> the nuns knew of Hoagy Carmichael, but I didn't at the time.? They 
> always mentioned him when I was introduced to them.
> I wish I had become involved in racing Triumphs a few years earlier. I 
> would have so enjoyed seeing and hearing these guys play during a race 
> weekend.? I'm sure that knowing Jack just a little would have been 
> really sweet too.
> "Porsches aren't allowed in heaven".
> Dave Hogye
>
>> On May 27, 2020 at 1:18 PM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or 
>> download to your favorite device.
>>
>> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1
>>
>> Regards, Tony Drews
>>
>> On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>>> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer 
>>> fund or whatever.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> 
>>>> <mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced. And 
>>>> I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that 
>>>> makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
>>>>
>>>> Scott (B.)
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> <mailto:emanteno at comcast.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
>>>> *To:* Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> 
>>>> <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>; Barr, Scott 
>>>> <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> <mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider 
>>>> <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to
>>>>     record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in
>>>>     our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>>>>
>>>> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I 
>>>> have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony 
>>>> has a couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost.
>>>>
>>>> Irv Korey
>>>>
>>>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 29 10:06:01 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 16:06:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 5/29
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514623341F5D4A5FD49C8F4BA8F0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Good morning all. I'm looking for some help in this planning stuff. I'm trying to figure out paddock space and other things for the race weekend. With all the Covid-19 stuff going on I really don't have a handle on how many people are planning on showing up. I am asking that if you have registered for the race with SVRA and you are not planning on attending could you please shoot me an email direct at trmarty at hotmail.com and let me know? If you have already notified me no need to do it again. I don't want to turn this into an on line discussion about all the reasons for or against, just drop me a line so I can accommodate those that are coming in the best possible way.   I am still hoping to be able to give some meaningful updates in the next couple of weeks but so far the track has refused to comment to me. SVRA sent out that well thought out reply a week or so ago that I forwarded to you and I expect some additional details from them shortly.

Thanks,

Marty Sukey
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From dale.oesterle at gmail.com  Sat May 30 09:40:13 2020
From: dale.oesterle at gmail.com (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 11:40:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ohio
Message-ID: <EA8A2E03-1ADF-4F64-BE41-02BFFB6355E3@gmail.com>

The state yesterday extended the no-gathering over 10 order with a few narrow exceptions that do not seem to include an amateur race meeting.  

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri May  1 04:35:44 2020
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 06:35:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bb37bfad7d997607ddd97bb86ac450c@tr4racer.com>

FWIW, the Moldex crank I bought back back in the early 2000's has 
counterweights that foul the webbing in the block as well. I talked to 
Ken Gilanders about it, he said that is what you want, use an angle 
grinder to make notches in the block for clearance. I think you need to 
grind two, maybe three webs.

It is much easier if you remember to do that before you take the block 
to the machine shop and get it cleaned!

On 2020-04-30 18:29, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote:
> I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from
> Joe Flowers in June 2017.  I received it in September 2017.  At my
> next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the
> prepared engine block.  It would not completely rotate as the
> counterweight hit the engine block.  The counterweights had not been
> completely machined.  I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone
> call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.  In about 2-1/2 weeks I
> received the crank back.  I finished the engine rebuild, took the
> engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.
> Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely
> tapped.  The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke
> a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again
> called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to
> Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks.
> Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no
> problems.
> 
> I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in
> shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.
> Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the
> shipping costs.  Twice I was told a check had been sent.  I have not
> received the $130 as of this date.
> 
> This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a
> billet crankshaft from Moldex.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May  1 04:54:05 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 10:54:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms  - Rick Cline Record
In-Reply-To: <728963C3-4BCB-4605-A8E5-5ABF257457F3@wi.rr.com>
References: <DM6PR15MB34202E6B0B7949DCDC67D39FE1AD0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
 <115853340.1946699.1588263555912@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <728963C3-4BCB-4605-A8E5-5ABF257457F3@wi.rr.com>
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Yes, it was.  And that 1.7 miles didn't include what is now the slowest corner on the track - 3A (or 3D if you prefer).  Blackhawk is also not 1.95 miles these days, as advertised.  It's more like 1.75.  But 3A really slows things down, which was the intent.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233


________________________________
From: Allen Washatko <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020, 6:43 PM
To: Robert M. Lang
Cc: Fot; Barr, Scott
Subject: Re: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms - Rick Cline Record

FoT,

Note the track length of 1.70 miles. This was before they added 3A and expanded the track to 1.950 miles.

Allen Washatko
TR6 - #6



> On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Robert Lang via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> <FB_IMG_1588202837544.jpg>


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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri May  1 04:54:36 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 06:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] J Fray Badges
Message-ID: <EB2C110E-7B25-4B35-BD99-9E91314DC1FD@columbus.rr.com>

Joseph Fray LTD made badges for the British cars amoung others.  Somewhere along the line a magazine or club Newsletter did an article on this company that described their Manufacturing process. I?m sure I saved it but may have been digital and lost on an old computer. Would like to find again if anyone can help 

Tom

From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May  1 05:47:36 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 07:47:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <3bb37bfad7d997607ddd97bb86ac450c@tr4racer.com>
References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO0FjVYs8b15de-r5Xbp7CxeYAbgkJa2ovTHBT_9unCSfrgu8w@mail.gmail.com>

I went with a Moldex "ghost main" style crank last year and had to do a
small bit of block relief as well. It wasn't unexpected since this style
crank doesn't have the same profile as a stock crankshaft. I was working
with a "new" block anyway so I had the machine shop do a test fitting
before full prep and it really wasn't a big issue.

mike h

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 6:36 AM yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> FWIW, the Moldex crank I bought back back in the early 2000's has
> counterweights that foul the webbing in the block as well. I talked to
> Ken Gilanders about it, he said that is what you want, use an angle
> grinder to make notches in the block for clearance. I think you need to
> grind two, maybe three webs.
>
> It is much easier if you remember to do that before you take the block
> to the machine shop and get it cleaned!
>
> On 2020-04-30 18:29, timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote:
> > I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from
> > Joe Flowers in June 2017.  I received it in September 2017.  At my
> > next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the
> > prepared engine block.  It would not completely rotate as the
> > counterweight hit the engine block.  The counterweights had not been
> > completely machined.  I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone
> > call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.  In about 2-1/2 weeks I
> > received the crank back.  I finished the engine rebuild, took the
> > engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.
> > Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely
> > tapped.  The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke
> > a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again
> > called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to
> > Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks.
> > Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no
> > problems.
> >
> > I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in
> > shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.
> > Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the
> > shipping costs.  Twice I was told a check had been sent.  I have not
> > received the $130 as of this date.
> >
> > This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a
> > billet crankshaft from Moldex.
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May  1 06:18:21 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 08:18:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] IRS rear axles and converted Corvair rear hubs
Message-ID: <63B38A97A5A7446386CE3E7DBD8431BA@VlackTK121647>

I have a set of upgraded Goodparts iRS rear axles (U-Joint style) assembled to modified Corvair hubs made by Marty Sukey that I don?t need any longer. I?d like them to go to someone who might need them. They are in excellent condition.

I replaced them on my 4A when I converted to the R-200 diff and Goodparts CV axles. I also have a pair of modified 4A trailing arms (they are different than TR6 trailing arms, not sure what 250?s used) for these axles with Keensert  inserts installed for the 6 hub mounting studs.

Make me an offer if interested. Will consider selling axles and hubs separately.

Note, if interested for a TR6 you must modify your trailing arms for U-joint clearance. The 4A trailing arms have a different bump stop arrangement and will not work on a TR6. 

Regards,

JVV
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May  1 08:38:37 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 07:38:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
Message-ID: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>

On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella's name on it
which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.  

 

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small
businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll
costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when
it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and
straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.
It is a waste of money to have these guys 'help' you.

 

Second, I don't mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a
partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as
they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing
us, I don't mean hiding the 'opt out' button in the fine print where it is
easy to miss.

 

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is
the issue.  A bit sad I think.

 

Ken

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri May  1 12:01:22 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:01:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
References: <002a01d61f3e$d080be60$71823b20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499811661.421660517.1588356082892.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

When this happens, you cannot have confidence in the part anymore. Who knows what other flaws may be present. Luckily you have raced it without a problem. 
Marcel. 


Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com> 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19 
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft 



I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017. I received it in September 2017. At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block. It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block. The counterweights had not been completely machined. I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem. In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back. I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on. Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped. The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems. 



I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice. Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs. Twice I was told a check had been sent. I have not received the $130 as of this date. 



This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex. 



Tim Murphy 

1961 Triumph TR4 #317 



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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May  1 14:32:54 2020
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:32:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
In-Reply-To: <993989056.354596.1588358628439@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>
 <993989056.354596.1588358628439@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14061827.398419.1588365174274@mail.yahoo.com>

 Ken
Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.

Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver. ?Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.

?

In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual ?loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding. ?

?

We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast. ?You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.

?

Regards,

?

Tony

?

Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.

?

Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX? 76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

tony at svra.com



    On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:  
 
  Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.
   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDTSubject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
 
On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.? 

 ?

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.? My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.? Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your? payroll the application is a snap.? It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.

 ?

Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.? By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.

 ?

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.? A bit sad I think.

 ?

Ken
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From jeff.gerken at hotmail.com  Fri May  1 14:34:59 2020
From: jeff.gerken at hotmail.com (Jeff Gerken)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:34:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
In-Reply-To: <14061827.398419.1588365174274@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>
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Well written Tony.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2020, at 1:33 PM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
Ken

Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.


Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.



In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.



We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.



Regards,



Tony



Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.



Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX  76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

tony at svra.com<mailto:tony at svra.com>

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On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:


Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements


On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.



First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.



Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.



Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.



Ken

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May  1 15:04:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:04:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <499811661.421660517.1588356082892.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
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 I was going to stay out of this Moldex thread but I guess I'm not the only one who has had problems.First, it's not uncommon to have to relieve areas in the block for counterweight clearance, that isn't necessarily the fault of the manufacturer.
 Now what is their fault, considering that Moldex was #1 in my experience, not too many years ago, I ordered 3 TR-3/4 cranks, and gave them 2 numbers for journal size, rods & mains, no guessing on journal size +/-.4-5 months AFTER the scheduled delivery date I got them.BE journal size was good, the mains were fat by .0009, damned near a full thou!So much for oil clearance...No machine shop wants to touch a job that sensitive so they had to go back to Moldex.When I finally got them back, then I discovered the problem on 2 of them with the flywheel bolt holes not being indexed properly and several poorly tapped holes.
We also had one fail once when very badly over-revved, but I noticed something peculiar in the failed section and sent it back to them for analysis, curiosity more than anything, never heard a word back...FWIWGlen
 
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Sent: Fri, May 1, 2020 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

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Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems.?I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date.?This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex.?Tim Murphy1961 Triumph TR4 #317?
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May  1 15:04:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:04:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft
In-Reply-To: <499811661.421660517.1588356082892.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
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 I was going to stay out of this Moldex thread but I guess I'm not the only one who has had problems.First, it's not uncommon to have to relieve areas in the block for counterweight clearance, that isn't necessarily the fault of the manufacturer.
 Now what is their fault, considering that Moldex was #1 in my experience, not too many years ago, I ordered 3 TR-3/4 cranks, and gave them 2 numbers for journal size, rods & mains, no guessing on journal size +/-.4-5 months AFTER the scheduled delivery date I got them.BE journal size was good, the mains were fat by .0009, damned near a full thou!So much for oil clearance...No machine shop wants to touch a job that sensitive so they had to go back to Moldex.When I finally got them back, then I discovered the problem on 2 of them with the flywheel bolt holes not being indexed properly and several poorly tapped holes.
We also had one fail once when very badly over-revved, but I noticed something peculiar in the failed section and sent it back to them for analysis, curiosity more than anything, never heard a word back...FWIWGlen
 
-----Original Message-----
From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: timmmurphh <timmmurphh at gmail.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 1, 2020 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

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Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Joe Flower II" <joe at moldexcrankshaft.com>
Verzonden: Vrijdag 1 mei 2020 00:29:19
Onderwerp: [Fot] Moldex Crankshaft

I ordered a Triumph TR4 billet crankshaft from Moldex by phone from Joe Flowers in June 2017.? I received it in September 2017.? At my next engine rebuild, in March of 2019, I installed the crank in the prepared engine block.? It would not completely rotate as the counterweight hit the engine block.? The counterweights had not been completely machined.? I returned the crank to Moldex after a phone call to Joe Flower to discuss the problem.? In about 2-1/2 weeks I received the crank back.? I finished the engine rebuild, took the engine off the engine stand and proceeded to bolt the flywheel on.? Only three of the four tapped holes in the crank were completely tapped.? The fourth had about 2 or 3 threads and that is all. We broke a tap off in the hole trying to manually tap it through. I again called Joe, disassembled the engine, and shipped the crank back to Moldex for completion. I received it back again in about 2-1/2 weeks. Reassembled the engine and raced in three weekends in 2019, no problems.?I called Joe in April 2019 and asked to be reimbursed for the $130 in shipping costs to ship the crank back to him for completion, twice.? Since April 2019 I have called about 10 times to ask to recover the shipping costs.? Twice I was told a check had been sent.? I have not received the $130 as of this date.?This is a cautionary tale for those who are thinking of buying a billet crankshaft from Moldex.?Tim Murphy1961 Triumph TR4 #317?
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 15:50:06 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
In-Reply-To: <14061827.398419.1588365174274@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <006201d61fc6$33779930$9a66cb90$@klaenv.com>
 <993989056.354596.1588358628439@mail.yahoo.com>
 <14061827.398419.1588365174274@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWummUsw8eN1Mmu5E9TcuqYRn0neF=Fvk9vAEjUGFS=D0A@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,

Please don't take me off any mailing lists for saying this,  For a lot of
folks vintage racing has been a non-profit, club activity for a very long
time. The thought of doing things differently and following a well run
business model that would include something like this can run counter to
some guys vintage club DNA.  Through the wrong filter, something with
honorable intentions like this offer can be seen as wrong-minded. On a bad
day the sun doesn't ever shine.

To get the right filter we have to consciously change the lens.  In our
pre-covid world tracks were already struggling with generating enough
revenue to make business sense. Now the future is even more scary.   Any
track, or any organization that wants to be in the business of promoting
events has a huge challenge in front of them post pandemic. They have to
try new and different things, they have to take care of their people, and
find a way to do that while paying all the bills. The SVRA has been doing
that since you took over. I don't agree with everything the SVRA does
that's okay.

Can I recruit some backers for the Woodstock 6 social distancing festival?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:33 PM Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Ken
>
> Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about
> SVRA on FOT.
>
> Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup
> driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must
> admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off
> base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this
> directly to me if you had questions.
>
>
>
> In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP
> applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and
> several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans
> processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner
> workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process
> small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook
> Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook
> Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help
> people get their much needed funding.
>
>
>
> We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like
> the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness
> for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special
> membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by
> our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change
> my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure
> you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing
> nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our
> customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my
> name is spelled Parella.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.
>
>
>
> *Tony Parella*
>
> *CEO/SVRA*
>
> *Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company*
>
> *1312 Regency Court*
>
> *Southlake, TX  76092*
>
> *214-475-8088 ? Cell*
>
> *tony at svra.com* <tony at svra.com>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing
> us again.
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
> *Subject:* [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
>
> On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it
> which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.
>
>
>
> First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help
> small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover
> payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this
> application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.
> Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the
> application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help?
> you.
>
>
>
> Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a
> partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as
> they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing
> us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is
> easy to miss.
>
>
>
> Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money
> is the issue.  A bit sad I think.
>
>
>
> Ken
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May  2 06:43:17 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 14:43:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
Message-ID: <1522169191.424885287.1588423397604.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Sat May  2 07:08:37 2020
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 13:08:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
Message-ID: <CY4PR16MB1512682C9FFF1094C45A095390A80@CY4PR16MB1512.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!

Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more.

it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!

I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!

I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.

Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th.

This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates?

my finger's on the trigger.

Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)



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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat May  2 09:42:25 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 10:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Any lightweight flywheels for a Spit 1300?

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided
> it would be a better idea to race a Healey!
>
> Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their
> way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings
> to hook me up with more.
>
> it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack
> of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front
> hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An
> aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!
>
> I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is
> threatened unless you step up!
>
> I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it
> all down 10 years ago.
>
> Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability
> to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in
> Salt lake about July 15th.
>
> This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure
> plates?
>
> my finger's on the trigger.
>
> Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who
> had a use for it)
>
>
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sat May  2 09:59:30 2020
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 15:59:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Message-ID: <5a937178501044c2b1f451a0b7d0bb0c@dieselperformanceparts.com>

Shawn I have an aluminum one set up for  7.25" clutch. Has like 20 LAPD on it. It is NOT a Fidanza brand. The steel ring gear is thru bolted not sealed with a bolt 1/2 in the aluminum and the other 1/2 in the ring gear. Custom done correctly so it won't separate down the road.  I  have gone to a Tilton hydraulic slave/release bearing set up. All my stuff has to be between 0.175 -0.250 between the clutch fingers and the release bearing. Ive gone with steel flywheels so all the engines can just bolt the tranny on and not have to readjust the spacing.  So now I  have this really nice flywheel and won't be using it. You or someone needs it.



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/2/20 10:46 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Henry A. Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
Cc: fot <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?

Any lightweight flywheels for a Spit 1300?

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Sat, May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM Henry A. Morrison via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!

Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more.

it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!  How about old transmissions?  An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?  It nearly fits!

I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!

I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.

Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th.

This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates?

my finger's on the trigger.

Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)



Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat May  2 10:07:38 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 10:07:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Shawn, which 1300?? Not that I have one, but it might help your search.

mjb.




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Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 11:15:13 -0500
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Large bearing, late 1300

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
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From tony at svra.com  Fri May  1 14:14:39 2020
From: tony at svra.com (Tony Parella)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:14:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FW:  SVRA Advertisements
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Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.

 

In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.  

 

We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony

 

Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today. 

 

Tony Parella

CEO/SVRA

Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company

1312 Regency Court

Southlake, TX  76092

214-475-8088 ? Cell

 <mailto:tony at svra.com> tony at svra.com



 

 

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To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >

Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT

Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements

 

On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management.  

 

First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.

 

Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.

 

Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.

 

Ken

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From tony at svra.com  Fri May  1 16:14:12 2020
From: tony at svra.com (Tony Parella)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 18:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
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Bob, thank for note. It?s a crazy time in our history. We were so excited to help so many people get funded that other email really was hurtful. It goes with being in public. Hopefully we will be racing at Indy and mid- ohio. We will be putting out all the steps we are taking to try and make it safer than going shopping to buy groceries. Safe safe, TP

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 1, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Tony,
> 
> Please don't take me off any mailing lists for saying this,  For a lot of folks vintage racing has been a non-profit, club activity for a very long time. The thought of doing things differently and following a well run business model that would include something like this can run counter to some guys vintage club DNA.  Through the wrong filter, something with honorable intentions like this offer can be seen as wrong-minded. On a bad day the sun doesn't ever shine.
> 
> To get the right filter we have to consciously change the lens.  In our pre-covid world tracks were already struggling with generating enough revenue to make business sense. Now the future is even more scary.   Any track, or any organization that wants to be in the business of promoting events has a huge challenge in front of them post pandemic. They have to try new and different things, they have to take care of their people, and find a way to do that while paying all the bills. The SVRA has been doing that since you took over. I don't agree with everything the SVRA does that's okay. 
> 
> Can I recruit some backers for the Woodstock 6 social distancing festival? 
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:33 PM Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Ken
>> 
>> Tony asked me to post his comments in response to your public post about SVRA on FOT.
>> 
>> Ken, your email below was forwarded to me from a fellow Kastner cup driver.  Honestly, I have been involved in SVRA for 8 years and I must admit your email was the most hurtful I have read to date. You are way off base to send this out without the facts and to not bother sending this directly to me if you had questions.
>>  
>> In the last 24 hours Cook Wealth Management helped process over 100 PPP applications for contract employees of SVRA, several race prep shops and several small business owners who were having trouble getting their loans processed. They also processed several PPP apps for independent corner workers. While the form process is very simple, getting a bank to process small individual  loans is nearly impossible. You assumed SVRA and or Cook Wealth were paid a fee to do this. Frankly that is not true. The Cook Wealth team worked with several banks as far away as South Dakota to help people get their much needed funding.  
>>  
>> We use our email platform for offering free featured marque programs, like the Kastner Cup race at Mid-Ohio, schedule updates and raising awareness for several of the 501.C3s that we support. We also provide special membership offers on behalf of our sponsors. I?m sorry you were offended by our e-blast.  You are welcome to race with us but I do not plan to change my policy for our emails. We will remove you from our database to make sure you don?t receive unwanted emails. Just to be clear, we were paid nothing nor was Cook Wealth Management. Finally, I do not hand out or give away our customer?s email addresses. That?s why the email came from me. Also, my name is spelled Parella.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Tony
>>  
>> Josh- please remove Ken?s email from our system today.
>>  
>> Tony Parella
>> CEO/SVRA
>> Majority Owner of Trans Am Race Company
>> 1312 Regency Court
>> Southlake, TX  76092
>> 214-475-8088 ? Cell
>> tony at svra.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 02:43:48 PM EDT, Rick Parent <rick.parent at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Fyi, this is the Kastner Cup guy that sent that nasty email bad mouthing us again.
>> 
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT
>> Subject: [Fot] SVRA Advertisements
>> 
>> On Thursday I received an email from SVRA with Tony Perella?s name on it which was an advertisement for an SVRA partner Cook Wealth Management. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> First, what they were offering to do (for a fee no doubt) was to help small businesses with submitting the PPP SBA loan application to cover payroll costs during the Covid crisis.  My company submitted this application when it first came out and it was less than an hours work.  Very simple and straight forward, if you can manage your  payroll the application is a snap.  It is a waste of money to have these guys ?help? you.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Second, I don?t mind if a racing organization tries to hook us up with a partner that supplies something related to our cars and racing as long as they inform us that they give our emails to these companies.  By informing us, I don?t mean hiding the ?opt out? button in the fine print where it is easy to miss.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Given that SVRA is marketing in this fashion I can only assume that money is the issue.  A bit sad I think.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat May  2 13:29:59 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 21:29:59 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hello Marcel,

 

Your engine has leaking valves.

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .

Something to make sure about.

 

Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?

PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?

Marcel

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May  2 14:30:25 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 22:30:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


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Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 

Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 

Chris 




Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot 
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43 
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 





A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 


PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 


Marcel 

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sat May  2 15:30:42 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 15:30:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Marcel,

By any chance do you flush out your valve guides in the ports? The reason I ask is it raises hell with the valve grinder when they try to get a good square grind

for some reason.

jim g

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 2:30 PM
To: tr4racing <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

Hallo Chris,

of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).

Marcel

 

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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

Hello Marcel,

 

Your engine has leaking valves.

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .

Something to make sure about.

 

Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

 

A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?

PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?

Marcel


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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat May  2 15:36:31 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 17:36:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Hallo Chris,
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
Marcel

Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

Hello Marcel,
 
Your engine has leaking valves.
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
Something to make sure about.
 
Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
 
A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
Marcel

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From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 20:38:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky
TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash
adjustment.


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or
> to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust
> valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them
> wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing
> overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really
> aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the
> cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>
> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Hallo Chris,
> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put
> the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings
> that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe
> the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I
> will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve
> clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will
> reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a
> racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with
> increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash :
> I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a
> race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances,
> the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot
> upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with
> normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the
> compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the
> engine has a race camshaft).
> Marcel
>
> ------------------------------
> *Van: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Aan: *"fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>
> Hello Marcel,
>
>
> Your engine has leaking valves.
> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
> Something to make sure about.
>
>
> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the
> valve train.
>
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *van.mulders.marcel---
> via Fot
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
> *An:* fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>
>
> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl
> no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2
> (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The
> compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with
> a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high
> overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I
> did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" :
> compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on
> cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went
> up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a
> lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder
> if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when
> the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be
> risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to
> perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot
> of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
> Marcel
>
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun May  3 00:25:38 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:25:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hi Scott, 
The 110? degrees is really the valve overlap, in crankshaft degrees, as you understand it, but at the recommended operating valve lash, 0.016". Checking at 0.050" would result in much lower overlap. Installed at 103?(=advanced a bit) , inlet valve is opening 53? before TDC and exhaust valve is closing at 57? after TDC. But 110? is a lot of overlap :the BFE24 grind has 112? but most racecams are between 95 and 105? it seems. The cam in my engine is installed at 104?, I'm thinking of trying to advance it to 100? ; then the inlet valve is closing earlier. Now the engine has a REAL 210 hp, with the leaking valves and I'm just starting the testing on my engine dyno. People who are racing TR6 engines are easily talking about 230 and 250hp but you never know what that means. But 210? is disappointing, it should go up, more so because the displacement is 2720cc (evenly spaced bores of 78mm) 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 23:36:31 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 

Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution? Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine. 

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 

Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 
Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 
Chris 



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An: fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > 
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sun May  3 00:28:47 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:28:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Hi Jim, 
The valve guides have an oval shape in the ports, but are not shortened. 
Marcel 


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Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



Marcel, 

By any chance do you flush out your valve guides in the ports? The reason I ask is it raises hell with the valve grinder when they try to get a good square grind 

for some reason. 

jim g 




From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 





Hallo Chris, 


of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 


Marcel 






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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 





Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 

It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 

Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 

Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 

Chris 




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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 





A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 


PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 


Marcel 



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From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
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The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is 110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC) 
Marcel 


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Verzonden: Zondag 3 mei 2020 02:38:14 
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 

I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA). The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA. LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment. 


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 



Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution? Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine. 

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: 

Hallo Chris, 
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head. I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft). 
Marcel 


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Hello Marcel, 



Your engine has leaking valves. 
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures. 
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset . 
Something to make sure about. 



Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train. 



Cheers 
Chris 



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Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test 



A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher? 
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft? 
Marcel 

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From maddhatt69 at aol.com  Sun May  3 04:52:29 2020
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Subject: [Fot] Garage Inspiration, cleaning it out, what to scrap?
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Mr. Morrison,
Any chance you have a set of GT6 hubs and uprights in your "box o' hubs" ?
Thanks!?
V/r,
M. Huovinen

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 #yiv8242677350 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Back in the late 90's I got rid of every Triumph part I had when I decided it would be a better idea to race a Healey!
Somehow in 2020 5 Triumphs and about twice as many parts have found their way back into the garage and other Triumph part pushers stand in the wings to hook me up with more. ?
it's hard decision time. can I cast into the smelter my waist high stack of old flywheels and pressure plates? What about the 75 lb box of old front hubs? Gotta be a good one in there!? How about old transmissions?? An aftermarket vinyl TR-4-6 Hardtop?? It nearly fits!
I don't want to sound nasty, but the existence of these parts is threatened unless you step up!
I can't talk about this with my wife and my brother would have melted it all down 10 years ago.?
Right now all this stuff is in Albuquerque, but considering my inability to make difficult life choices, it will all wind up in a storage unit in Salt lake about July 15th. ?
This is a cry for help, should I scrap all the flywheels and pressure plates??
my finger's on the trigger.
Henry Morrison (any of this stuff and more would be free to someone who had a use for it)

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May  3 05:44:59 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 07:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Marcel:
There are many variables that influence the absolute value of the maximum pressure you record in a compression test. The purpose of the test is not to determine your compression ratio, but to detect differences in pressure between cylinders. Significant differences are an indication of an incipient failure or worn parts. The best practice would be to do an initial compression test after engine break in and then periodically after that, making sure to duplicate as much as possible the conditions of your initial test. That way you can track the relative health of the cylinder components.
Phil Gott 

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> On May 3, 2020, at 2:51 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is  110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC)
> Marcel
> 
> Van: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> Aan: "Scott Janzen" <sjanzen at me.com>
> Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Zondag 3 mei 2020 02:38:14
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
> 
> I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>> 
>> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo Chris,
>> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>> 
>> Hello Marcel,
>>  
>> Your engine has leaking valves.
>> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
>> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
>> Something to make sure about.
>>  
>> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
>>  
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>  
>> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
>> An: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>>  
>> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
>> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
>> Marcel
>> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May  3 05:44:59 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 07:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
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Marcel:
There are many variables that influence the absolute value of the maximum pressure you record in a compression test. The purpose of the test is not to determine your compression ratio, but to detect differences in pressure between cylinders. Significant differences are an indication of an incipient failure or worn parts. The best practice would be to do an initial compression test after engine break in and then periodically after that, making sure to duplicate as much as possible the conditions of your initial test. That way you can track the relative health of the cylinder components.
Phil Gott 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2020, at 2:51 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The lobe separation angle is 105? and valve timing is 57-83 inlet and 87-53 exhaust. So I think it is  110? (inlet opens at 57? before TDC and outlet closes at 53? after TDC)
> Marcel
> 
> Van: "John Styduhar" <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> Aan: "Scott Janzen" <sjanzen at me.com>
> Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Zondag 3 mei 2020 02:38:14
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
> 
> I think Marcel is talking about the lobe separation angle (LSA).  The Isky TR 777 cam I'm running has the same LSA.  LSA is not effected by valve lash adjustment.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 5:36 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.
>> 
>> On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo Chris,
>> of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
>> Marcel
>> 
>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>> 
>> Hello Marcel,
>>  
>> Your engine has leaking valves.
>> It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
>> Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
>> Something to make sure about.
>>  
>> Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
>>  
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>  
>> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
>> An: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
>>  
>> A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
>> PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
>> Marcel
>> 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun May  3 07:04:20 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 09:04:20 -0400
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I see.  Difficult for me to compare, as all of the cam opening/closing data I have is at 50/1000, not the recommended operating clearances.  I do agree with Phil Gott?s email that the compression numbers are primarily useful as relative checks against each other.  If something is out of line it indicates an issue.

On May 3, 2020, at 2:25 AM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote:

Hi Scott,
The 110? degrees is really the valve overlap, in crankshaft degrees, as you understand it, but at the recommended operating valve lash, 0.016". Checking at 0.050" would result in much lower overlap. Installed at 103?(=advanced a bit) , inlet valve is opening 53? before TDC and exhaust valve is closing at 57? after TDC. But 110? is a lot of overlap :the  BFE24 grind has 112? but most racecams are between 95 and 105? it seems. The cam in my engine is installed at 104?, I'm thinking of trying to advance it to 100? ; then the inlet valve is closing earlier. Now the engine has a REAL 210 hp, with the leaking valves and I'm just starting the testing on my engine dyno. People who are racing TR6 engines are easily talking about 230 and 250hp but you never know what that means. But 210? is disappointing, it should go up, more so because the displacement is 2720cc (evenly spaced bores of 78mm)
Marcel

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

Maercel, I?m puzzled. Are you referring to the lobe separation angle, or to the overlap between the intake valve opening before TDC and the exhaust valve closing after TDC on the same revolution?  Unless I?m reading them wrong, I?ve looked at some pretty radical cam specs and the opening/closing overlap does not approach 110 degrees, more like 50 degrees on a really aggressive cam, but the lobe separation angle is about 104 degrees on the cam I have in the car and 107 on the cam I?m putting in another engine.

On May 2, 2020, at 4:30 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Hallo Chris,
of course the cylinderhead has to be repaired. I think the man who has put the big valves in it, has taken too much risks : the valve seats (the rings that are pressed into the cyl head) are small where they do meet, and maybe the seats are distorted a bit because of this, but I don't know for sure, I will see when pulling the head.  I know one cannot change the valve clearance too much, but maybe 0.05mm more valve lash is ok and it will reduce the valve overlap. I believe 110? overlap is a lot, even for a racecamshaft. Any idea's someone about that? The compression test with increased valve lash is much higher than with the recommended valve lash : I wonder if it is making any sense at all to check the compression of a race engine without increasing the valve lash : with the normal clearances, the inlet valve is  closing when the piston has already travelled a lot upwards, hence the big difference between the compression test results with normal and with increased valve lash. So I think, if you want to test the compression, you have to increase the valve lash firstly(at least when the engine has a race camshaft).
Marcel

Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Verzonden: Zaterdag 2 mei 2020 21:29:59
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test

Hello Marcel,
 
Your engine has leaking valves.
It won?t get better from changing measurement procedures.
Maybe the seat is rough, or the valves bent, or offset .
Something to make sure about.
 
Enlarging the valve leash could result in hammering everything dead in the valve train.
 
Cheers
Chris
 
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> Im Auftrag von van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Mai 2020 14:43
An: fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Betreff: [Fot] Valve overlap and compression test
 
A leaking test on my TR6 engine is showing a leaking exhaust valve on cyl no 1 (48% on the gauge of the device) and a leaking inlet valve on cyl no 2 (75%). Compression on cyl no1 is 9.5 bar and on cyl 2 it is 8 bar. The compression on the other cylinders is between 12 and 13.5 bar. This is with a race cam with a valve overlap of 110? (320-F grind). Because of the high overlap, the piston has risen a lot before the inlet valve is closed, so I did the compression test again, but with a valve lash of 2.5mm/0.1" : compression went from 9.5 bar to 14.5 on cyl no 1 and from 8 bar to 15 on cyl no 2. With this valve lash, the compression on the other cylinders went up to 16 - 18.5 bar. Of course, when the engine is running at high rpm, a lot of valve overlap is necessary for best cylinder filling, but I wonder if 110? isn't too much?? The recommended valve lash is 0.40mm/0.016" when the rocker ratio is 1.45(0.43mm/ with my 1.55 roller rockers). Would it be risky to set the valve lash at some 0.05mm/0.002" higher?
PS : is it common practice to set the valve lash at a couple of mm to perform a compression test, because it seems that the valve lash has a lot of influence on the result when testing a race camshaft?
Marcel

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May  4 01:13:08 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 09:13:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio - Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <002401d621e3$7753c600$65fb5200$@gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

 

I have plans to come over to USA to race with you.

About 6 weeks to go.

As far I know there is a 14 days quarantine for foreigners to enter the USA and maybe also in Europe on the way back.

Currently I have no idea if I can make it because 14 days more in USA is not on my flight schedule and time scale with my job.

 

Depending on the situation in the next 2 weeks I?m prepared to cancel the flights for Harry, Holger and me.

 

Hopefully Corona will fade out quickly to make Mid Ohio happen for us but I have small hopes.

 

Cheers

Chris

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From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au  Mon May  4 16:54:11 2020
From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (geoff byrne)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 08:54:11 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Lucas Fuel Injection
Message-ID: <018c01d62266$edf20c80$c9d62580$@optusnet.com.au>

Amici

Does anyone on this forum know of any six cylinder Triumphs racing with the
mechanical fuel cam operated by the throttle . This system was widely used
in race cars of the 1960 and 70 and available at the time through Lucas. Kas
reports in one of his publications of experimenting with this system to
overcome the limitations of the vacuum driven fuel cam. The throttle driven
fuel control system is currently available through Kinsler  in the US.  I'm
currently using a throttle driven fuel control mechanism on my TR6 race car
but am using the existing fuel cam to comply with current regulations. This
however greatly limits the ability to accurately control the AFR over the
full rev range . The adoption of the Kinsler unit overcomes this problem but
you no longer have a choke of WOT adjustment as you have on the standard
Lucas unit.

I am interested in corresponding with any racer who has fitted the Kinsler
unit.

Kind Regards 

Geoff Byrne 

TR6 racer down under

 

PS I've self-isolated in my machine shop , lots to do

 

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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon May  4 21:51:19 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 13:51:19 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Lucas Fuel Injection
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this is the Lucas race set up for those who have never seen it. . i
rebuilt/tuned quite a few back in the day. horrible job juggling/grinding
fuel cams. was used on lots of race engine, 6, 6, 8 and 12. with both 6mm
and 8mm internal shuttle sizes (tiumph were 6mm)

Terry

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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:54 AM geoff byrne via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici
>
> Does anyone on this forum know of any six cylinder Triumphs racing with
> the mechanical fuel cam operated by the throttle . This system was widely
> used in race cars of the 1960 and 70 and available at the time through
> Lucas. Kas reports in one of his publications of experimenting with this
> system to overcome the limitations of the vacuum driven fuel cam. The
> throttle driven  fuel control system is currently available through
> Kinsler  in the US.  I?m currently using a throttle driven fuel control
> mechanism on my TR6 race car but am using the existing fuel cam to comply
> with current regulations. This however greatly limits the ability to
> accurately control the AFR over the full rev range . The adoption of the
> Kinsler unit overcomes this problem but you no longer have a choke of WOT
> adjustment as you have on the standard Lucas unit.
>
> I am interested in corresponding with any racer who has fitted the Kinsler
> unit.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Geoff Byrne
>
> TR6 racer down under
>
>
>
> PS I?ve self-isolated in my machine shop , lots to do
>
>
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From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Wed May  6 12:24:52 2020
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 14:24:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
Message-ID: <77C0A922-08F5-41EF-9C80-F54AA71423F9@gmail.com>

Hey all,

Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!

Thanks!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319




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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May  6 14:44:27 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:44:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
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Jeff;
I bought a stock Laycock TR6 pressure plate from Rimmer Bros or Miss (can?t recall which) and then sent it to California Clutch for uprating. I believe they installed a stiffer diaphragm.  So far, so good.
If you have a flat faced throwout bearing, you need a pressure plate with curved diaphragm fingers. If using a stock TR6 throwout bearing with a curved face, you need a diaphragm with flat fingers. Flat on flat will work but may not be as smooth.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey all,
> 
> Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May  6 14:44:27 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:44:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4A Clutch Pressure Plate
In-Reply-To: <77C0A922-08F5-41EF-9C80-F54AA71423F9@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CCA4052F-420D-4BD5-B473-C1F2D898803B@aol.com>

Jeff;
I bought a stock Laycock TR6 pressure plate from Rimmer Bros or Miss (can?t recall which) and then sent it to California Clutch for uprating. I believe they installed a stiffer diaphragm.  So far, so good.
If you have a flat faced throwout bearing, you need a pressure plate with curved diaphragm fingers. If using a stock TR6 throwout bearing with a curved face, you need a diaphragm with flat fingers. Flat on flat will work but may not be as smooth.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey all,
> 
> Glen is building up a spare engine for my TR3.  We are in need of a pressure plate suitable for racing purposes for a TR4A - TR6 8.5? diaphragm type clutch.  We have exhausted our limited sources and are looking for any input from this knowledgeable group!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  6 18:48:46 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 00:48:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
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I received this from SVRA last night. It has some important items that will apply to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio.  I hope to have some info regarding over crew passes after they meet with the track next week. As of right now SVRA still says its a go, Mid-Ohio still says its a go. The Governor of Ohio is slowly relaxing things.  We will have to be conscious of social distancing while still hanging out together. Based on what is currently happening in Ohio you should plan on making, buying, borrowing, stealing, some sort of mask to wear. Maybe we should have some kind of award for the most creative mask. ?  I expect to be making a bunch of updates come June so please keep an eye on the list as things start shaking out. Things are still very fluid currently. There are presently 56 Triumphs registered.

Marty Sukey




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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Wed May  6 22:37:33 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 00:37:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Devin Body/TR6 frame
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FOT - I thought I sent this a few weeks ago but received no response(s) and
a friend said he never received it.  So am resending.

      I have a Devin fiberglass body in primer (believed to be a Vanquist?)
that has never been mounted on a frame.  It comes with doors, a bonnet and
trunk with fairing.  The body is sitting on a TR6 bare frame (no suspension,
no engine, gearbox, etc) but not mounted on it.  The frame has floorboards.
The former owner started to modify the frame for a V8 engine, but went on to
another project.  I received the Devin in a deal with the former owner.  I
never intended to build it.  The frame sits on a rolling wood base.

    The photos don't show the bonnet and trunk, which I have.  There is also
a mold for the bonnet and the trunk.

     This would be a major project but the Devins are rare and this would be
a fun race or street car.

     I will accept any reasonable offer.  The body is in Virginia Beach.  If
no one is interested I will try Barn Finds, Bring-a Trailer or Ebay.  If you
want to see some completed Devins, go to past auctions on Bring a Trailer.  

     Call to discuss.  I am available days and nights until 10PM.

     Take care and stay safe.  Hank

     

 

Hank Giffin

757-375-1491

 

 

 

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Thu May  7 05:43:09 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (grandwazoo at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 07:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Devin Body/TR6 frame
Message-ID: <c9b5e245-ffc9-45ed-b457-7e0752261276@Mikes-iPhoneq>


Got it! Sadly, I?m not yer buyer

Mike

Sent from EarthLink Mobile mail

On 5/7/20, 12:37 AM, Henry Giffin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

FOT ? I thought I sent this a few weeks ago but received no response(s) and a friend said he never received it. So am resending.

I have a Devin fiberglass body in primer (believed to be a Vanquist?) that has never been mounted on a frame. It comes with doors, a bonnet and trunk with fairing. The body is sitting on a TR6 bare frame (no suspension, no engine, gearbox, etc) but not mounted on it. The frame has floorboards. The former owner started to modify the frame for a V8 engine, but went on to another project. I received the Devin in a deal with the former owner. I never intended to build it. The frame sits on a rolling wood base.

The photos don?t show the bonnet and trunk, which I have. There is also a mold for the bonnet and the trunk.

This would be a major project but the Devins are rare and this would be a fun race or street car.

I will accept any reasonable offer. The body is in Virginia Beach. If no one is interested I will try Barn Finds, Bring-a Trailer or Ebay. If you want to see some completed Devins, go to past auctions on Bring a Trailer.

Call to discuss. I am available days and nights until 10PM.

Take care and stay safe. Hank

Hank Giffin

757-375-1491

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From bfloyd6677 at aol.com  Thu May  7 08:38:11 2020
From: bfloyd6677 at aol.com (Bryan Floyd)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 14:38:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>

So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.? So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.? Price is?$9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.? Details and many photos available upon request.? We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.? Includes parts to run FP or GTL? If interested let's talk....
Fresh build 1500cc engine:

?????????Pauter Rods

?????????Weisco Pistons

?????????Cyl. Head new 1 test day

?????????Baffled pan with windage tray

?????????Accusump

?????????Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares

?????????Oil to water cooler

?????????Gear Reduction starter w/new spare

?????????Stahl header with spares

?????????Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate

?????????New Tilton annular slave

?????????HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils


?
?????????Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder headw/matching intake & Cam 


?
Drivetrain/suspension

?????????Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans

?????????Multiple assembled Diffs

?????????Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums

?????????Multiple rear spring options

?????????Adjustable rear uprights

?????????AVO adjustable shocks

?????????Multiple front sway bars

?????????Tilton pedals w/new cylinders

Misc.

?????????2nd Chassis w/race body GlennGraham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook

?????????Spare new f-glass quarters + several used piecesincluding hood

?????????3 sets Revolution wheels 

?????????Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019

?????????Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019

?????????Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019

?????????Spare trans

?????????Driveshaft & Axles 

?????????Large usable spares pkg


?
BryanFloyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com? five one three?405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades??

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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Thu May  7 09:08:59 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 16:08:59 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 145
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1588701602.18536.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.0.1588701602.18536.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <005501d62481$71b77d40$552677c0$@btinternet.com>

Geoff,

No immediate advice from Sideways, no one has said that they have used it.
But you made me recall an article by Kas, about this mod, that appeared in
the UK magazine "Triumph World".
I enclose a PDF of the article.

John

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May  7 09:57:28 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 15:57:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420C4CA294FF918ED9D5422E1A50@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

That?s a pretty good price for a lot of neat stuff!

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bryan Floyd via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 9:38 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale


So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested let's talk....


Fresh build 1500cc engine:

?         Pauter Rods

?         Weisco Pistons

?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day

?         Baffled pan with windage tray

?         Accusump

?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares

?         Oil to water cooler

?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare

?         Stahl header with spares

?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate

?         New Tilton annular slave

?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils



?         Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder head w/matching intake & Cam


Drivetrain/suspension

?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans

?         Multiple assembled Diffs

?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums

?         Multiple rear spring options

?         Adjustable rear uprights

?         AVO adjustable shocks

?         Multiple front sway bars

?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
Misc.

?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook

?         Spare new f-glass quarters + several used pieces including hood

?         3 sets Revolution wheels

?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019

?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019

?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019

?         Spare trans

?         Driveshaft & Axles

?         Large usable spares pkg



Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com<mailto:bfloyd6677 at aol.com>  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades?
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu May  7 10:19:26 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 10:19:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
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Message-ID: <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>

"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.




From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com  Thu May  7 11:53:14 2020
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 12:53:14 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>

Looks like a great deal, but there has to be a good story behind such a specific asking price. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Floyd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47 OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested let's talk....
> 
> Fresh build 1500cc engine:
> ?         Pauter Rods
> ?         Weisco Pistons
> ?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day
> ?         Baffled pan with windage tray
> ?         Accusump
> ?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares
> ?         Oil to water cooler
> ?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare
> ?         Stahl header with spares
> ?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate
> ?         New Tilton annular slave
> ?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils
>  
> ?         Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder head w/matching intake & Cam
>  
> Drivetrain/suspension
> ?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans
> ?         Multiple assembled Diffs
> ?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums
> ?         Multiple rear spring options
> ?         Adjustable rear uprights
> ?         AVO adjustable shocks
> ?         Multiple front sway bars
> ?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
> Misc.
> ?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car w/logbook
> ?         Spare new f-glass quarters + several used pieces including hood
> ?         3 sets Revolution wheels
> ?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019
> ?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019
> ?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019
> ?         Spare trans
> ?         Driveshaft & Axles
> ?         Large usable spares pkg
>  
> Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades? 
> <20200507_094912_resized.jpg>
> <Spitfire Sell Sheet.docx>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May  7 12:44:55 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HP Spitfire for sale
In-Reply-To: <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>
References: <1767260052.1902005.1588862291618@mail.yahoo.com>
 <04D6AA6C-C967-4F03-959E-581FEB3B0B06@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWvt_aFTwjatxq9k5B_AWxpWN3pQRckopNWnKx62W6uAbA@mail.gmail.com>

If it is not an exact calculation of what he has in it  here's my guess.
It is an "anchor price" as defined by Chris Voss, an FBI negotiation expert
and author of Never Split the Difference. It tells you that he has worked
out the value/price calculation to the last penny and should elicit a
response that starts a buyer at a higher price, or to just say, "that's
fair", I'll take it.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:53 PM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Looks like a great deal, but there has to be a good story behind such a
> specific asking price.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 7, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Floyd via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> So I have too many race cars, who knew it was possible.  So my
> H-Production ex Aaron Johnson Spitfire is on the market.  Price is $9,413.47
> OBO / Trades race ready would have been at Pitt Race Majors if not
> cancelled.  Details and many photos available upon request.  We've made
> some improvements to the car since we acquired it. Lot's of spares you will
> actually be able to use.  Includes parts to run FP or GTL  If interested
> let's talk....
>
> Fresh build 1500cc engine:
> ?         Pauter Rods
> ?         Weisco Pistons
> ?         Cyl. Head new 1 test day
> ?         Baffled pan with windage tray
> ?         Accusump
> ?         Aluminum radiator/VW with 2 new spares
> ?         Oil to water cooler
> ?         Gear Reduction starter w/new spare
> ?         Stahl header with spares
> ?         Tilton Clutch w/new disc & floater plate
> ?         New Tilton annular slave
> ?         HPV Ignition w/spare box & coils
>
> ?         Comes with Full Prep F-Prod/GTL cylinder head w/matching intake
> & Cam
>
> Drivetrain/suspension
> ?         Quaife aluminum case dog ring transmission / spare 3 rail trans
> ?         Multiple assembled Diffs
> ?         Summers Axles / spares with GT6 drums
> ?         Multiple rear spring options
> ?         Adjustable rear uprights
> ?         AVO adjustable shocks
> ?         Multiple front sway bars
> ?         Tilton pedals w/new cylinders
> Misc.
> ?         2nd Chassis w/race body Glenn Graham/Matt Mathews Green car
> w/logbook
> ?         Spare new f-glass quarters + several used pieces including hood
> ?         3 sets Revolution wheels
> ?         Mounted sticker Hoosier H2O?s 2019
> ?         Mounted GY cantilevers scrubbed only 2019
> ?         Mounted Hoosier Radials 1 race old 2019
> ?         Spare trans
> ?         Driveshaft & Axles
> ?         Large usable spares pkg
>
> Bryan Floyd bfloyd6677 at aol.com  five one three 405 5425 car is in NW PA
> 16214 race ready today. $9,413.47 OBO / Trades?
> <20200507_094912_resized.jpg>
> <Spitfire Sell Sheet.docx>
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May  7 14:47:25 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 16:47:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about
all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> "Events will be closed to spectators"
>
> Not what I wanted to hear.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Thu May  7 15:13:25 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 21:13:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514FB70997A3CC64AB3CBD1BAA50@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>,
 <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E60B7D3-B76D-4B2D-8633-92D9567696A9@mhc-law.com>



Sent from my iPhone
Yea, just announced here that they don?t expect the virus to reach its peak until late July...stay at home still in place
On May 7, 2020, at 4:47 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.


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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Thu May  7 16:14:00 2020
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 08:14:00 +1000
Subject: [Fot] COVID motorsport impact
In-Reply-To: <9E60B7D3-B76D-4B2D-8633-92D9567696A9@mhc-law.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
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 <5b517fe9-709a-2a47-025b-18b73c4503c1@bradakis.com>
 <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <9E60B7D3-B76D-4B2D-8633-92D9567696A9@mhc-law.com>
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b3BBs45T8BHPYYdqjyX4WVcYTDbvEACFcohPQ9X2vixog@mail.gmail.com>

just saying Hi from the other side of the world (australia).

like you guys, we have been affected by COVID 19, but not nearly as bad it
seems , as our Federal and State Governments moved very quickly to
effectively lock-down the country and close state borders. restrictions are
just starting to ease after about 100 days in force. we have had nothing
like the outbreaks we hear about in NY .

anyhow, motorsport here is still effectively banned due to a combination of
social distancing and maximum crowd numbers. I was a bit amazed to see
Kastner Cup is still scheduled

our large local track is planning to re-open for very limited use next
week; basically private practise and such like, with strict rules re social
distancing.

another nearbye track operator has told us that he cannot get
insurance coverage for any sort of  event until the Government removes all
forms of restrictions on gatherings, so thats what is stopping him opening,
and possibly many other similar tracks.

I  wish you all the very best. see you in 2021 i hope

Terry


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu May  7 19:13:35 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 01:13:35 +0000
Subject: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcGBhN6Z3+TtFxEbPbwKhRmsqsH5fBa3b+2=BwKd=0YbVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cm.0921545396125.plkdttk.vmlrhudr.t@cmail20.com>
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All parties involved including the state of Ohio are doing their best trying to read the future of a very fluid situation that we all know changes weekly. I can guarantee that no matter what decision is made somebody is not going to like it. In the end it is a personal choice each will have to make when the time comes. Some have already chose to stay home and that is ok.

Marty

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Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:47 PM
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] May 6th Kastner Cup update

If the state of Ohio is not following the CDC guidelines, who cares about all this stuff?

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:19 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
"Events will be closed to spectators"

Not what I wanted to hear.

mjb.


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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 03:18:36 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 10:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 145
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Further, about directly controlled Lucas Pi.
You will now that several other manufacturers used Lucas Pi.  Developed on
racing Jaguars, it was used by Maserati for production cars and Ford on
racing Capris.    A UK race engineer, Ric Wood, uses direct control Pi on
his current 
race Capri.      His website is at https://ricwood.com/

I can't see anything about Lucas pi there, but maybe he would help you?

John

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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri May  8 09:43:48 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 11:43:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale
Message-ID: <ae520fe7-9b1c-7621-a3c1-a7e9d5969164@bright.net>

 ? Just got in a Lotus Europa parts "stash".? Part of the collection are 
2 sets of 13" alloy wheels. 1 set Ansen 13" x 6" w/4" back space.? Other 
set is Cosmic 13" x 5.5" w/4" back space. 5 Cosmic wheels are pictured 
but one has severe curb damage. Wheels weigh 13# each for either brand.? 
Street car or rain tire spares. Thanks for your time. Ted

Pictures at http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/salvagearrivals.html

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022



From jeffsnook01 at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:22:09 2020
From: jeffsnook01 at gmail.com (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 12:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Clutch Pressure Plate Sourced
Message-ID: <BE9ED2A6-365C-4DA7-8E37-557511AC92A8@gmail.com>

Thanks to Richard Good at Goodparts I sourced a heavy duty Borg & Beck clutch kit for the TR3 vintage race car spare engine.  Don?t need the disc and bearing, but that?s the only way to get one of the good pressure plates it appears.  

Thanks to all the input from fellow FOTers!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:30:18 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 11:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch Pressure Plate Sourced
In-Reply-To: <BE9ED2A6-365C-4DA7-8E37-557511AC92A8@gmail.com>
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When the gyms open again you need to work that left leg!

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks to Richard Good at Goodparts I sourced a heavy duty Borg & Beck
> clutch kit for the TR3 vintage race car spare engine.  Don?t need the disc
> and bearing, but that?s the only way to get one of the good pressure plates
> it appears.
>
> Thanks to all the input from fellow FOTers!
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  8 11:20:58 2020
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 12:20:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale
In-Reply-To: <ae520fe7-9b1c-7621-a3c1-a7e9d5969164@bright.net>
References: <ae520fe7-9b1c-7621-a3c1-a7e9d5969164@bright.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.596.1638252700.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

...and for the Stag folks. I have a set of OEM alloy  wheels I'd like to sell.
Thanks
Dennis 

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Sent: ?5/?8/?2020 10:45 AM
To: "FOT" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Spit/GT6/TR7/Lotus alloy wheels fo sale

 ? Just got in a Lotus Europa parts "stash".? Part of the collection are 
2 sets of 13" alloy wheels. 1 set Ansen 13" x 6" w/4" back space.? Other 
set is Cosmic 13" x 5.5" w/4" back space. 5 Cosmic wheels are pictured 
but one has severe curb damage. Wheels weigh 13# each for either brand.? 
Street car or rain tire spares. Thanks for your time. Ted

Pictures at http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/salvagearrivals.html

-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
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From biznzman at pacbell.net  Sun May 10 14:55:44 2020
From: biznzman at pacbell.net (STEPHEN BOROWSKI)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:55:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Request for the Spec sheet for the Kastner G3 TR4 Camshaft
References: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All,Does anyone have a copy of the valve timing specification for the Kastner G3 camshaft. I am installing the camshaft in my TR4 race engine and the spec sheet I have is in my garage in San Diego and naturally I'm in Florida.
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From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com  Sun May 10 15:31:29 2020
From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Request for the Spec sheet for the Kastner G3 TR4 Camshaft
In-Reply-To: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2082281578.1066706.1589144144315@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2014165858.1074337.1589146289323@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Steve.? I don't have a spec sheet on the G-3, but the specs are in Kas's Competition Preparation Manual. 

 G-3 Camshaft:Inlet opens 51 degrees BTDCInlet closes 79 degrees ABDCExhaust opens 79 degrees BBDCExhaust closes 51 degrees ATDC
Duration is 309 degreesTotal lift at the valve is .499When using a degree wheel, checking clearance is .011 at the camshaft.The rocker arm adjustment is .016 hot.
I hope this helps.
Jack


    On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 5:02:19 PM EDT, STEPHEN BOROWSKI via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Hello All,Does anyone have a copy of the valve timing specification for the Kastner G3 camshaft. I am installing the camshaft in my TR4 race engine and the spec sheet I have is in my garage in San Diego and naturally I'm in Florida.
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 10 18:18:36 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
References: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66@aol.com>

Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone


From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 10 19:19:08 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
In-Reply-To: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66@aol.com>
References: <257FE415-C89B-415C-802A-5E175CC2BE66@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DF58F8F1-2893-4B7C-AFF1-072D577345E9@gmail.com>

Have you got Kas? last book? It has a chapter on ?avoiding oil leaks in wet sleeve engines?. It discussed the real seals and rope seals

Commercial Message: We have that book at a very low price to FOT. And we just received a batch of Viton Seals. Will discount.

We also have new runs of front and rear engine plates in aluminum.

Thanks,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 10, 2020, at 7:18 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May 13 14:46:34 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:46:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
In-Reply-To: <003101d62949$93dd65c0$bb983140$@uprichard.net>
References: <003101d62949$93dd65c0$bb983140$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>


Some of you have already seen this, many of you know Randall from Team 
Net and elsewhere.

mjb.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
Date: 	Wed, 13 May 2020 13:11:42 -0400
From: 	andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 	triumphs at autox.team.net



I have gone back and forth about posting this, but Randall is a friend 
of all of us, and I don?t think he would mind me sharing.

Last week I left a couple of vm messages, saying we were worried about 
him. This morning when I got up, I saw he had called and left a message 
at 3am EDT.

The message was very garbled and disjointed but he said he was in a 
hospital and I heard other voices in the background, one of whom was 
saying ?I?m your nurse, remember??

It was definitely Randall and I have no reason to believe the call was 
not genuine. If he is in hospital, I don?t know why (but I can guess).

I did try to call back, but didn?t get through. I left him a message 
saying I was sorry to hear he was in hospital but that there were a lot 
of people who would be rooting for him.? Please keep him in your 
thoughts and prayers.

Andrew

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May 13 15:45:20 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:45:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Possible Team Net outage
Message-ID: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>

We had some severe wind gusts in Salt Lake Monday afternoon, about half 
of a large tree blew over, sort of hitting the garage and some cars.? 
Take a look at http://bradakis.com/net_wire.jpg to get an idea of what 
happened.? Inside that marked off area you can see a black wire.? That 
is Team Net's connection to the world. Getting all the fallen branches 
off that wire is beyond my capabilities.? We've contacted some 
professional tree removers, haven't heard back yet, so not sure when the 
mess will be cleaned up.

So basically if we get more wind gusts over the next day or two all that 
debris could shift and take out that network cable.? And Team Net would 
be off the air for who knows how long.? So be aware of that 
possibility.? If it happens, you might be seeing a status message from 
hoosierq at gmail.com that may look suspicious at first glance.? It will be 
from me.

And another note, the old problem of delayed email seems to be occurring 
again.? Currently the delay is one the order of an hour or so, I'll be 
looking into the situation.

Fun times indeed!

mjb.




From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Wed May 13 15:50:52 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
In-Reply-To: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>
References: <e892fb9e-e0af-b503-0bf9-8ea4a5b25d04@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B7A9A006-E3B2-4BE0-8BA5-20D1E0862AAB@gmail.com>

Thank you for sharing. He came on the FOT very early on and is a treasure trove of Triumph information.

He has been a good friend over the years. I hope he is OK or will be.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 13, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Some of you have already seen this, many of you know Randall from Team Net and elsewhere.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:    [TR] Randall Young (TR3 driver)
> Date:    Wed, 13 May 2020 13:11:42 -0400
> From:    andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> To:    triumphs at autox.team.net
> 
> 
> 
> I have gone back and forth about posting this, but Randall is a friend of all of us, and I don?t think he would mind me sharing.
> 
> Last week I left a couple of vm messages, saying we were worried about him. This morning when I got up, I saw he had called and left a message at 3am EDT.
> 
> The message was very garbled and disjointed but he said he was in a hospital and I heard other voices in the background, one of whom was saying ?I?m your nurse, remember??
> 
> It was definitely Randall and I have no reason to believe the call was not genuine. If he is in hospital, I don?t know why (but I can guess).
> 
> I did try to call back, but didn?t get through. I left him a message saying I was sorry to hear he was in hospital but that there were a lot of people who would be rooting for him.  Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers.
> 
> Andrew
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Wed May 13 17:20:11 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:20:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible Team Net outage
In-Reply-To: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>
References: <b6774311-2707-5dc5-9a99-20ef1bbf2b2b@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVaYeG2ByJp5upi7haT-Zfbu+d5oj7iFN9jY7ym8oUpd_A@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, screw the cable, they'll make more. Save the cars.

mike h

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> We had some severe wind gusts in Salt Lake Monday afternoon, about half
> of a large tree blew over, sort of hitting the garage and some cars.
> Take a look at http://bradakis.com/net_wire.jpg to get an idea of what
> happened.  Inside that marked off area you can see a black wire.  That
> is Team Net's connection to the world. Getting all the fallen branches
> off that wire is beyond my capabilities.  We've contacted some
> professional tree removers, haven't heard back yet, so not sure when the
> mess will be cleaned up.
>
> So basically if we get more wind gusts over the next day or two all that
> debris could shift and take out that network cable.  And Team Net would
> be off the air for who knows how long.  So be aware of that
> possibility.  If it happens, you might be seeing a status message from
> hoosierq at gmail.com that may look suspicious at first glance.  It will be
> from me.
>
> And another note, the old problem of delayed email seems to be occurring
> again.  Currently the delay is one the order of an hour or so, I'll be
> looking into the situation.
>
> Fun times indeed!
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu May 14 06:29:40 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 08:29:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Farndon (UK) steel cranks forf TR3/TR4
Message-ID: <3cf2849b-ef6b-40e0-0218-febdb5791456@bright.net>

Hi List. We have 2 new Farndon steel cranks in the UK. These are a 
"dummy" 5 main configuration.? Pictures are attached.? Price is $2350 
landed in Pandora, OH.? Can deliver to Mid-Ohio.? Thanks for your time. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Thu May 14 08:17:54 2020
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:17:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>

 

I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.

 

"I am Mike Cook's son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing
a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted
Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of
characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young,
Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group
44 livery. Thanks"

 

Can I get a second?

 

Thanks

Paul

 

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From sjanzen at me.com  Thu May 14 08:26:46 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:26:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
Message-ID: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>

It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a classic car.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu May 14 08:01:26 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:01:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] steel cranks -version 2
Message-ID: <9a07b13c-927d-1810-a0ec-8067f29a80da@bright.net>

 ?Hi Guys. Sorry about that. Not all pics went out. Yes there is a "long 
tail" (early) TR6 crank as well. Here are pics of TR3/4. Ted

-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
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From paulricco at att.net  Thu May 14 09:13:51 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:13:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
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Message-ID: <D0965A56-6FB6-4475-A26B-B3DE74F07C29@att.net>

Second.

Paul Ricco

> On May 14, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
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> 
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From paulricco at att.net  Thu May 14 09:13:51 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:13:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <D0965A56-6FB6-4475-A26B-B3DE74F07C29@att.net>

Second.

Paul Ricco

> On May 14, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:26:50 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAJRV2eaZf+ShQi3B9j125KhPFky05kB2JpTEK8Fc3+FRD7M9_g@mail.gmail.com>

Second!!!

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
Iowa British Car Club
FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
515-339-4228


'71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
'65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:09 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

>
>
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
> Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>
>
>
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire
> towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got
> from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very
> colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius,
> Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to
> Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>
>
>
> Can I get a second?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
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>
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:36:39 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 10:36:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <57480370-B121-40F1-B3EF-B4B631FDC670@gmail.com>

Second, of course.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 14, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>  
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>  
> Can I get a second?
>  
> Thanks
> Paul
>  
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:39:41 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:39:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
In-Reply-To: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
References: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVZfwn2U8ayC2SHzKXLmpHQcTBpCTjMy=j8zDdDHNBoW0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Seems like a good price for a driver quality car. Maybe there's hope for
GT-6s as well.

mike h

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:09 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not
> exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a
> classic car.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:59:24 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
 <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAGctxs42VeytMoNCaizThtwbKKeBKhkhj07ZTDGjov_PgVyPzA@mail.gmail.com>

Seconded.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 11:08 AM Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

>
>
> I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder.
> Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.
>
>
>
> ?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire
> towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got
> from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very
> colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius,
> Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to
> Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?
>
>
>
> Can I get a second?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From quikrx at yahoo.com  Thu May 14 10:03:33 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 16:03:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination Tim Cook
In-Reply-To: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$@rogers.com>
References: <002901d629fa$75db2fb0$61918f10$.ref@rogers.com>
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Message-ID: <2057622648.155603.1589472213594@mail.yahoo.com>

 second

    On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 10:08:59 AM CDT, Paul MacDonald via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 
?

I would like to nominate a new member to the group, a wedge owner/builder. Kinda goes without introduction but here it is, Tim Cook.

 ?

?I am Mike Cook?s son. Spent my childhood in either a Country Squire towing a Triumph race car or riding in one. Building a GT1 spec TR8 I got from Ted Shumacher. Started life as a TR7. Been speaking with a very colorful cast of characters on this build. Shumacher, Slagle, Tullius, Brannon, Jeff Young, Todd Kitsbach are all on the email list! Building to Slagle specs with Group 44 livery. Thanks?

 ?

Can I get a second?

 ?

Thanks

Paul

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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May 14 15:39:07 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 17:39:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 prices seem to be moving up
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVZfwn2U8ayC2SHzKXLmpHQcTBpCTjMy=j8zDdDHNBoW0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E418ED4C-FF9C-4222-B04D-9391AE2C75EA@me.com>
 <CAO0FjVZfwn2U8ayC2SHzKXLmpHQcTBpCTjMy=j8zDdDHNBoW0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcGMEZ294j73hd3M7-5f4nGvq1R4d+pQ=W9x4AHEx0-Hzg@mail.gmail.com>

The swing in bids for a TR6 is about $20K, according to data from BAT.  No
TR6 will be trouble free no matter how well prepared.  Never buy a Triumph
without first looking at the underside on a lift.


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Seems like a good price for a driver quality car. Maybe there's hope for
> GT-6s as well.
>
> mike h
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:09 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> It will be interesting to see where this one finishes.  Nice car, but not
>> exceptional.  Good to see these finally getting some recognition as a
>> classic car.
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-triumph-tr6-54/
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Thu May 14 21:33:43 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 03:33:43 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
Message-ID: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>

Local news here in Ohio announced tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio
races at the end of this month. FYI
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 15 06:50:26 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 12:50:26 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514701652F55DBB385D46B3BABD0@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Yesterday Governors reports showed more venues being allowed to open May 26 allowing softball game and other sports as well as campgrounds. Nothing about racetracks yet but I'm sure bigger fish are in the fire. I would expect more releases as time goes on. I have been in contact with SVRA and Mid-Ohio and they are anticipating the Kastner Cup taking place. Things are still in a bit of uncertainty but I'm hoping for the best. I will post changes as I hear them from SVRA and the track.

Marty

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of T. R. Householder via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:33 PM
To: 'fot at autox.team.net' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio

Local news here in Ohio announced  tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio races at the end of this month. FYI
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 15 07:06:02 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:06:02 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
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On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> Local news here in Ohio announced? tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio 
> races at the end of this month. FYI 

 From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.

mjb.




From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May 15 07:26:28 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
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References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
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Message-ID: <9922C353C97D428383A50AD307E12C5A@VlackTK121647>

Exactly, the post just added confusion to an already confusing situation.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 9:06 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio

On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> Local news here in Ohio announced  tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio races 
> at the end of this month. FYI

>From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.

mjb.


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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 07:52:10 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
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Thanks to all who replied.

I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
Hope to see you in Ohio,

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> 
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
> Erie, PA 16506
> 
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> Fax:        888-865-5279
> Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> 
> Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 07:52:10 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
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References: <CH2PR04MB6935735653B421292CF2C044B4BD0@CH2PR04MB6935.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C815C470-204C-4879-A7AA-F7400BE567A7@aol.com>

Thanks to all who replied.

I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
Hope to see you in Ohio,

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike
> 
> Michael T. Moore, CPA
> 3255 West 26th Street
> Erie, PA 16506
> 
> Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> Fax:        888-865-5279
> Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
> 
> This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message.
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> 
> Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> Phil Gott
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Fri May 15 08:02:16 2020
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio
In-Reply-To: <9922C353C97D428383A50AD307E12C5A@VlackTK121647>
References: <09f8c2d6e4227515ce512e065fa3ffa018eb23d4@webmail>
 <f883d60b-db3e-2050-6606-738ef12ae052@bradakis.com>
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What I just read, referring to the NASCAR Xfinity race scheduled for the
end of the month.

On Fri, May 15, 2020, 9:52 AM Jerry Van Vlack via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Exactly, the post just added confusion to an already confusing situation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 9:06 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio
>
> On 5/14/20 9:33 PM, T. R. Householder via Fot wrote:
> > Local news here in Ohio announced  tonight cancellation of Mid Ohio
> races
> > at the end of this month. FYI
>
> From what I read it was just May events, nothing about June yet.
>
> mjb.
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 15 08:45:32 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:45:32 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Car purchase intermediary?
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB34208DD9EBFA02213177A952E1BD0@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Has anybody used a good car purchase intermediary?  I have a client who wants to buy a Corvette from a remote location and both buyer and seller are justifiably nervous.
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:47:00 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:47:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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Amici...
Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Fri May 15 08:55:59 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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Nice thought, but not with a Triumph, however.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:53 AM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Amici...
>
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse
> power...
>
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:57:19 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:57:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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I?d run out of paint.....

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Amici...
> 
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
> 
> Bill Dentinger
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 15 08:57:19 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:57:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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I?d run out of paint.....

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Amici...
> 
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse power...
> 
> Bill Dentinger
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri May 15 09:05:20 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
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I recently disassembled the engine from my TR3 and the rear main area was dry.  This was my first TR engine build.  I used the orange RTV and carefully watched it just squeeze through gaps and cracks around the bearing cap as I installed the rope covered in RTV.  That is the only place I used the orange RTV on the engine or anywhere else.  I made a rope install tool just like Kas suggests in his book.  What I did find was that the front engine plate was leaking between the plate and engine at the bottom.  Oil from this leak makes it's way all over the oil pan and drips off the bolts and back from there.  Also, my trans front seal was leaking and that slings fluid around inside the bell housing then drips out the hole at the bottom.  The slinging oil also finds it's way out around the clutch fork shaft exiting the bell housing.  These two leaks made it difficult to tell if the rear main was leaking or not.  I also found trans fluid coming from one of the bolts holding the tail housing on.  These obviously need to be sealed up better than they were.  At least the rear main wasn't leaking.  I'll be more confident installing the rope seal this time around.  
Dave H.
> On May 15, 2020 at 6:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks to all who replied.
> 
> I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the rings. 
> Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this email. Some very clever!
> Hope to see you in Ohio,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know if the is a less messy way to do it.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Mike
> > 
> > Michael T. Moore, CPA
> > 3255 West 26th Street
> > Erie, PA 16506
> > 
> > Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> > Fax:        888-865-5279
> > Email:    mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com
> > 
> > This electronic mail message contains confidential and legally privileged information intended only for the use of the recipient. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of this message is strictly prohibited and is hereby instructed to notify the sender immediately by return email and destroy this copy of this message.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> > To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> > 
> > Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope seals the mess gets worse and worse. 
> > Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better way to do it.
> > Phil Gott
> > 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 15 09:29:56 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:29:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
In-Reply-To: <291708787.810321.1589554020315@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <291708787.810321.1589554020315.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <291708787.810321.1589554020315@mail.yahoo.com>
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My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.




From bownes at web9.com  Fri May 15 09:56:43 2020
From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 11:56:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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I'd run out of oil.


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 11:25 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I?d run out of paint.....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Amici...
>
> Attached is a quote by Mark Donohue concerning what is enough horse
> power...
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 15 10:04:36 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 16:04:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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Just another sign that you're going FAST.
Bill

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 On?Friday, May 15, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.


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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 15 11:42:46 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 12:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
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Isn't the leak from the trans front oil seal a short term solution for
lubing the cross shaft? I have yet to keep one of these totally dry.

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:25 AM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I recently disassembled the engine from my TR3 and the rear main area was
> dry.  This was my first TR engine build.  I used the orange RTV and
> carefully watched it just squeeze through gaps and cracks around the
> bearing cap as I installed the rope covered in RTV.  That is the only place
> I used the orange RTV on the engine or anywhere else.  I made a rope
> install tool just like Kas suggests in his book.  What I did find was that
> the front engine plate was leaking between the plate and engine at the
> bottom.  Oil from this leak makes it's way all over the oil pan and drips
> off the bolts and back from there.  Also, my trans front seal was leaking
> and that slings fluid around inside the bell housing then drips out the
> hole at the bottom.  The slinging oil also finds it's way out around the
> clutch fork shaft exiting the bell housing.  These two leaks made it
> difficult to tell if the rear main was leaking or not.  I also found trans
> fluid coming from one of the bolts holding the tail housing on.  These
> obviously need to be sealed up better than they were.  At least the rear
> main wasn't leaking.  I'll be more confident installing the rope seal this
> time around.
> Dave H.
> > On May 15, 2020 at 6:52 AM Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks to all who replied.
> >
> > I asked because we are doing a bottom end rebuild, and I?m very worried
> that if any kind of goo gets down into the ring pack, it will stick the
> rings.
> > Thanks for the tips. The ?string? of tips should be included in this
> email. Some very clever!
> > Hope to see you in Ohio,
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 15, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Michael Moore <mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Did you get any responses to your question, I would also like to know
> if the is a less messy way to do it.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Michael T. Moore, CPA
> > > 3255 West 26th Street
> > > Erie, PA 16506
> > >
> > > Phone:  814-616-8652  ext 100
> > > Fax:        888-865-5279
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:19 PM
> > > To: Friends Of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> > > Subject: [Fot] Rear main rope seal alternatives?
> > >
> > > Seems as if every time I use Permatex Aviation Cement to soak my rope
> seals the mess gets worse and worse.
> > > Is there a good alternative to Aviation Cement or to the rope seals
> entirely? I have tried RTV, but it is very hard to get it in there with no
> air gaps. Building another engine this week and am wondering about a better
> way to do it.
> > > Phil Gott
> > >
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Fri May 15 12:14:31 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:14:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
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Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be
taken in our vintage racing machines...


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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri May 15 13:07:21 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:07:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com<mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 15 13:32:16 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:32:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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Someone let me know when it's officially canceled.

Marty



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "John H. Hasty via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/15/20 3:23 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>, WPTA Secretary/Webmaster <wpta.webmaster at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled

Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com<mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...



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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 15 14:43:39 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:43:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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References: <5ebed6dd.1c69fb81.c22aa.c1f2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
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Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.? We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...?

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.? There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...

?
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 15:02:11 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:02:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the Glen... ?(not naming names ?)
Oh, wrong kind of stripe!
Dave G


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On Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Just another sign that you're going FAST.
Bill

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 On?Friday, May 15, 2020,?Mark J Bradakis via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.


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From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May 15 15:17:07 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 17:17:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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White stripes

[image: Rick.JPG]

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:10 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the
> Glen...  (not naming names ?)
>
> Oh, wrong kind of stripe!
>
> Dave G
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Just another sign that you're going FAST.
>
> Bill
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> On Friday, May 15, 2020, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.
>
> mjb.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 15 17:05:15 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 17:05:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] What's enough horse power?
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 <858068590.855745.1589558676709@mail.yahoo.com>
 <619313657.672243.1589576531708@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAO0FjVaT7BqR+3_5yV63sBZTvvwaGg=P21to=wdYFP8sJ7udjA@mail.gmail.com>
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Yep, I?ve left a white line before, a couple times. Oil dry all the way from my pit to the grid at Hastings. I didn?t know it at the time but my oil cooler blew

and I drove all the way to the grid leaking oil. Good enough you can see it from space. This from google images.

Not so fondly remembered by the grid workers as the Gray Line. They were still pissed about it years later.

 



 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 3:17 PM
To: David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What's enough horse power?

 

White stripes

 



 

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:10 PM David Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

It?s been proven a Triumph can leave a single strip around all of the Glen...  (not naming names ?)

 

Oh, wrong kind of stripe!

 

Dave G


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On Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:26 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Just another sign that you're going FAST.

 

Bill

 

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On Friday, May 15, 2020, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote: 

 

My problem is usually leaving one brown stripe as I enter the corner.

mjb.


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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri May 15 21:09:51 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 03:09:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid Ohio announcement
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Posted 3 hours ago on Triumph Register of America site. Mid Ohio
Kastner Cup will be a non spectator event
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Sat May 16 14:29:52 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 16:29:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one
of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is
> opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>
> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4,
> VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>
> Gary Schneider
> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>
> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <
> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)* <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>
>
> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
> annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
> we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
> be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
> racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
> we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
> year...
>
> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
> thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
> have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
> 2021 and beyond.
>
> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to
> be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>
>
> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber
> since May 2014 (Unsubscribe
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Sat May 16 19:19:29 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:19:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 

The car count looks about half of normal.

A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 

California has not ?Reopened?...

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>> 
>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>>> 
>>> Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 121 Drivers Edge, Traverse City, Michigan 49684, USA. Report abuse.
>>> 
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 16 21:22:46 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
> 
> The car count looks about half of normal.
> 
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
> 
> California has not ?Reopened?...
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>>>> 
>>>> Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 121 Drivers Edge, Traverse City, Michigan 49684, USA. Report abuse.
>>>> 
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 16 21:22:46 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
> 
> The car count looks about half of normal.
> 
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
> 
> California has not ?Reopened?...
> 
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>>>> 
>>>> Delivered by MotorsportReg.com, 121 Drivers Edge, Traverse City, Michigan 49684, USA. Report abuse.
>>>> 
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Sun May 17 06:22:52 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:22:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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Some good news, Watkins Glen can re open on June 1st.

New York will allow motor sports at Watkins Glen International raceway and
horse racing at tracks across the state to proceed without spectators
beginning June 1, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday.

mike h

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:23 PM Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?]
> hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the
> law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers
> usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some
> states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in
> section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the
> basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time
> before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is
> a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to
> delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses,
> until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and
> parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race
> or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.
> Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus
> symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot
> dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but
> to escort you out.
>
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
>
> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.
>
> The car count looks about half of normal.
>
> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held.
>
> California has not ?Reopened?...
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one
> of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is
>> opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4,
>> VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: *Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)* <autopilot at motorsportreg.com
>> >
>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the
>> annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans,
>> we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will
>> be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage
>> racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns,
>> we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next
>> year...
>>
>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we
>> thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they
>> have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in
>> 2021 and beyond.
>>
>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to
>> be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>
>>
>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com,
>> subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe
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>>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun May 17 07:05:48 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:05:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
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Ok folks, shirts are now on order. We drug our feet as long as we could before actually pulling the trigger to see what was going to happen but if we were going to have the shirts ready for the Mid-Ohio race we had to start the ball rolling now. So, all of you that have ordered shirts it is now time to contact Ted and make arrangements for payments.  See below for instructions from Ted, he spells it out pretty clearly. They are going to be awesome. A big thanks to Jim Hassall for handling the coordination of the orders!


 It is time
for members to get payment and pick-up/shipping info to me.
Visa/MasterCard, Discover, PayPal (call/email us for details on using
PayPal).  Need name, card number & expiration date and billing address
if different from shipping address and email address. Will email buyers
invoice with total amount. Our FAX is MIA so call or email.  Contact
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 17 07:11:00 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:11:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
Message-ID: <A4B6075D-89E3-4069-84B3-FEB7E694694E@gmail.com>

Clark Lincoln on artwork?

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
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The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 17, 2020, at 8:07 AM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun May 17 07:25:33 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:25:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts
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Duh, I was so focused on the current state of the shirts I forgot how the whole shirt project started. Yes, without Clark the whole shirt thing would have never happened. Thanks Clark (and thanks Joe for pointing out my omission).

Marty

________________________________
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 9:11 AM
To: marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Shirts

Clark Lincoln on artwork?

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> On May 17, 2020, at 8:07 AM, marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Sun May 17 07:33:53 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 08:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clark
Message-ID: <A3598435-3DD2-48EB-A49C-BB2EBFAC7C58@gmail.com>

I hope my message to you didn?t go back thru the FOT.

I didn?t mean it to.

And I was also thinking of that unfortunate dust up between Clark & Jerry.

What a strange year.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
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Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711



From quikrx at yahoo.com  Sun May 17 08:32:30 2020
From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 14:32:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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 some things that a lot of people are forgetting is there are actually two factors that will drive entry numbers this year - 1) as we all know is the bug? 2) is the financial impact that so many are facing - racing is far down on the list of necessary (I know it is to all of us) items, its mostly paid for by extra cash we might have saved, found, got lucky in the lottery or whatever, if not affected directly (we all are with higher prices) we have a close friend or family member who is - this will take a looong time to fix itself - the lockdowns are killing business all over the map, this affects all of us in a direct way - more prices will go up (less competition or just plain gouging) and we all know taxes will be killer before too long, more in some states than others - unfortunately I'm sure entries for all events will suffer for a few years

    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 07:24:48 AM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Some good news, Watkins Glen can re open?on?June 1st.
New York will allow motor sports at?Watkins Glen International raceway and horse racing at tracks across the state to proceed without spectators beginning June 1, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday.??

mike h
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 11:23 PM Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).? Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.? If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.? Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad

On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow.?
The car count looks about half of normal.
A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held.?
California has not ?Reopened?...

Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Can mid Ohio be far behind?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com)<autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>



After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.? We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...?

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.? There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...

?
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From paulricco at att.net  Sun May 17 12:06:01 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
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FOT,

Dale - Thank you for the insights below.  They are helpful.

It is sad to hear of the cancellations.  Good for VARA making it possible to allow people a choice.  Those that feel comfortable going to track can go, and those who do not can choose not to go.  Sounds American to me.

We own a business that has been damaged by many of the decisions that that the government has made.  

The two previously stated reason for registrations being down in this thread:  Financial and Fear of COVID.

There are more reasons fo it, than just those two.

We have a 3rd reason for not registering: The policies and procedures that are having to be put in place for an event to happen. 

We have a lot of respect for the race organizers at SVRA, VSCDA, Midwest Council and a few others.  They are dealing with a lot to make events a possibility.

However, we feel that the insurance companies, the government agencies and others are really over reaching with some of the policies that they are recommending or forcing on business owners.  Therefore, we are not entering events until all of this settles down.  We value our time at the track very highly.  We enjoy the track time and we especially the time with people whose company we really enjoy.  We feel that the polices that are in place will detract greatly from both of those things happening.

Again, we do not fault the organizations for what they are doing.  We just will not participate based on some of the procedures and polices being put in place.

Hopefully, there are brighter times ahead for those of who enjoy motorsports.  Kind of like the golfers that we see out on courses when we drive-by courses in the area (BTW-We do not play golf).  Seems like Covid does not exist for those who play golf, it is business as usual for them.

Look forward to seeing people at the track in the future.

Paul Ricco

> On May 16, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
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> - Sent from iPad
> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?VARA is racing this weekend at Buttonwillow. 
>> 
>> The car count looks about half of normal.
>> 
>> A variety of opinions on whether or not the event should have been held. 
>> 
>> California has not ?Reopened?...
>> 
>> Brad Eells
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>> 
>>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>> 
>>> Gary Schneider
>>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com <http://motorsportreg.com/>) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com <mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
>>>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>>>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>>>> 
>>>>  
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 14:52:46 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 20:52:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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 I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.

I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 

Gary

    On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?). ?Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed. ?If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises. ?Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad



On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 




  
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 16:56:21 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk.  Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts).  Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches.  The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

>> On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ?
> I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.
> 
> I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf>
> <2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 16:56:21 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 18:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk.  Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts).  Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches.  The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

>> On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ?
> I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.
> 
> I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits.  [see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?).  Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed.  If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises.  Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out.  
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>> 
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>> 
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>> 
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf>
> <2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 17 18:47:17 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 00:47:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Waivers
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Dale,
The insurance-required waiver does not seem to be your main issue. All Covid19-related procedures are at the behest of the state and the track owner and are required to be enforced by the sponsoring clubs. No track owner or club can take a chance on being found to operate illegally. None of us have a choice in this matter, there is no negotiation involved (esp. since schedules are overfilled): you can follow track rules or not have an event. If you are going racing this year, you are going to find new constraints everywhere in the country. The VSCDA Covid document closely mirrors SCCA, Midwestern Council, AMA  and SVRA guidelines. 

Gary


    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 5:56:27 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle <dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 The extra stuff in the waiver matters. A straightforward wavier waves negligence claims (not claims gross negligence, recklessness or intentional misconduct, depending on the state). A straightforward assumption of risk is an acknowledgement that a participant is willingly and consensually taking a higher than normal risk. ?Both are accepted in the courts. Lawyers use the extra language in an attempt to add, subtly, more layers of liability protection when general law on waivers applies (i.e., there is no broader exemption statute such as those in Colorado for ski lifts). ?Moreover, the contractual provisions on virus procedures should be in a separate contract ? not in the waiver? with remedies specified for breaches. ?The language just confuses people and makes insurance negotiations more complicated.

Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad

On May 17, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:



? I understand and sympathize with the waiver text concern - certainly no insurance company will ever write an under-broad one - but it appears to be ~95% identical to the waiver we've been signing for many years. I had a 2014 BFR form deep in the files and scanned it to the attached PDF, along with the current waiver I just received from BFR Cindy. The footnote "2/09" seems to imply it goes back over a decade. I don't have the text memorized but I believe the RA waiver is the same form.

I've been a steward for maybe 20 years and our choice as race organizers has always been binary: all sign the waiver or no insurance is provided. The track owners have no more choice in this than we do. Although the language is draconian, it is a given we have accepted to participate in our sport. 

Gary

    On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 10:23:16 PM CDT, Dale Oesterle via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 The waiver is legally over- broad [see, e.g., the ?or otherwise language?] hoping a court will scale it back and apply it to the maximum extent the law permits. ?[see the last section]. It is a drafting trick. Waivers usually cannot a apply to reckless or intentional misconduct (and in some states cannot apply to ?gross negligence?). ?Moreover, the waiver in section 1 gives an immediate defense to all defendants (?releasees?) on the basis that the signer ?fe[lt] unsafe? (whatever that means) at some time before any injury and still participated [or did not give notice]. This is a trial lawyer?s delight and, at minimum, will cause defense counsel to delay settlement until the edge of trial, running up litigation expenses, until every statement of the plaintiff pre-injury has been collected and parsed. ?If you sign this, do not talk to anybody (even in jest) about race or track conditions till your car is on the trailer and off the premises. ?Other language gives a defense based on your non-disclosure of any virus symptoms; if you cough or have nausea (probably nerves and a crummy hot dog) you had better tell race organizers and they will have no choice but to escort you out. ?
Dale Oesterle- Sent from iPad



On May 16, 2020, at 1:30 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our? FOT racing attorneys.? Not? your standard form we never read.?
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary SchneiderMidwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

    On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 




  <BFR Adult single sided waiver smaller.pdf><2014 BFR Waiver.pdf>
  
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Sun May 17 20:40:42 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 02:40:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
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John, Henry:
You asked me to take a look at the VARAC release. I generally agree with Dale?s analysis of the waiver, and as Gary observed, all but Section 1 is what insurance companies have been asking us to sign over the years.  First let?s all understand that waviers/releases/covenants not so sue relating to events which are to happen in the future are generally enforceable except for acts on the part of the releases of reckless, intentional or gross negligence.  (in other words some act on the part of the sanctioning body and its agents which no reasonable person would have anticipated to expose themselves to by entering the event)  Other than Section 1, the release is over-broad on purpose placing layers of attempted release language which can be used by defense counsel (of which I am one) to delay and as a result increase the costs of pursuing litigation against the sanctioning body.  It also plants in the participant?s mind that it would be useless to attempt action for injuries he/she may have received.  (By mentioning increased costs, I would comment that these could be in the tens of thousands of dollars)
            Now, let?s talk about Section 1.  First, set the stage.  All scientific information available to us today says that for us to practice safety from the virus we should shelter at home, practice social distances of 6 feet from other individuals while on necessary trips to obtain essential items such as food etc. and wear a mask when near others.  In addition the states have instituted various executive orders declaring what enterprises are safe conduct in the virus infected atmosphere.  Participating in racing events to my knowledge is not one of them.   In the face of these facts come VSCDA, SVRA, SCCA and perhaps others who wish to stage events where hundreds of people will mingle with one another and compete in a relatively limited area.  On the question of whether their desires to stage these events are as a result of the overwhelming clamor from their members to stage events in this virus pandemic or because of their own financial interests I will not opine.  So, how do these sanctioning bodies entice people to disobey the advice of the scientific community and attend their events?  They come up with a long list of things, changes to normal policy, that they are going to enforce in order to make it safe for you to come to their event. No driver?s meeting, no social events, sanitizing this thing and that thing, pages of actions that they will take to make it safe for you to attend their event.  But how do the sanctioning bodies protect themselves from the claims of people who relied on their representations that it would be safe to attend their events who do in fact become infected with the virus or some other injury?  Enter Section 1 which, in spite of the sanction bodies representations of safety,  places the burden on you to determine whether you ?feel safe? to be at the event.  There is also the issue of what responsibility would be attributed to you should you be a carrier of the virus which infected another person?  It has never been clear to me whether these sanctioning bodies carry participant liability insurance or whether such off track liability would be covered, but you should be aware of this potential liability as well.  Whether Section 1 would be enforceable given the representations of safety made by the sanctioning bodies would be an issue, but here again an issue which could cost you thousands of dollars to try and overcome in a court of law.
            Again, I do not opine on whether the sanctioning bodies should be encouraging people to enter their events or whether it is reasonable and one should, as the release states, ?feel safe? under the present conditions to participate in these events.  It?s entirely up to you.
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From: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:05 PM
To: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled

Here is the adult waiver.  John, I hope you are safe and healthy.

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:14 PM John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com<mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com>> wrote:
Send me a copy & I?ll look it over....even if the event is on, where do we eat?.. the host hotel is closed now & not certain about the future ...7 1/2 drive with no rest rooms open...@ 84 I am really beginning to wonder if it?s worth taking a chance on getting what could well be my death warrant.  I am also told that Kastner is not coming, so what?s the point of it?
Sent from my iPhone


On May 16, 2020, at 4:30 PM, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>> wrote:
?
The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read.

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net<mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.

Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.

Gary Schneider
Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic

On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:


Can mid Ohio be far behind?
Sent from my iPhone


On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
?
FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com<mailto:autopilot at motorsportreg.com>>
Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com<mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com>>


After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year...

On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.

Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...


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From dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 18 12:50:00 2020
From: dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 14:50:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
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Dale Oesterle
- Sent from iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Dale Oesterle <dale.oesterle at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: May 18, 2020 at 2:46:36 PM EDT
> To: "John H. Hasty" <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
> Subject: Re:  [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Release
> 
> ?John, the analysis gets very complicated in a hurry.  You assume only club, track and safety worker defendants. The waiver protects drivers and their crew as well as the club and track from participant lawsuits. A driver defendant may lose the protection if he/she 1) does not feel safe and runs anyway and if 2) the driver does not follow anything in the complex new package of safety rules (which may include an implied duty to rat on other participants who do not follow all the rules).  This is not good.  Best practice is an Indy style waiver and a separate agreement on new safety rules with specified penalties for breach.
> 
> Dale Oesterle
> - Sent from iPad
> 
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 10:42 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> John, Henry: 
>> You asked me to take a look at the VARAC release. I generally agree with Dale?s analysis of the waiver, and as Gary observed, all but Section 1 is what insurance companies have been asking us to sign over the years.  First let?s all understand that waviers/releases/covenants not so sue relating to events which are to happen in the future are generally enforceable except for acts on the part of the releases of reckless, intentional or gross negligence.  (in other words some act on the part of the sanctioning body and its agents which no reasonable person would have anticipated to expose themselves to by entering the event)  Other than Section 1, the release is over-broad on purpose placing layers of attempted release language which can be used by defense counsel (of which I am one) to delay and as a result increase the costs of pursuing litigation against the sanctioning body.  It also plants in the participant?s mind that it would be useless to attempt action for injuries he/she may have received.  (By mentioning increased costs, I would comment that these could be in the tens of thousands of dollars)
>>             Now, let?s talk about Section 1.  First, set the stage.  All scientific information available to us today says that for us to practice safety from the virus we should shelter at home, practice social distances of 6 feet from other individuals while on necessary trips to obtain essential items such as food etc. and wear a mask when near others.  In addition the states have instituted various executive orders declaring what enterprises are safe conduct in the virus infected atmosphere.  Participating in racing events to my knowledge is not one of them.   In the face of these facts come VSCDA, SVRA, SCCA and perhaps others who wish to stage events where hundreds of people will mingle with one another and compete in a relatively limited area.  On the question of whether their desires to stage these events are as a result of the overwhelming clamor from their members to stage events in this virus pandemic or because of their own financial interests I will not opine.  So, how do these sanctioning bodies entice people to disobey the advice of the scientific community and attend their events?  They come up with a long list of things, changes to normal policy, that they are going to enforce in order to make it safe for you to come to their event. No driver?s meeting, no social events, sanitizing this thing and that thing, pages of actions that they will take to make it safe for you to attend their event.  But how do the sanctioning bodies protect themselves from the claims of people who relied on their representations that it would be safe to attend their events who do in fact become infected with the virus or some other injury?  Enter Section 1 which, in spite of the sanction bodies representations of safety,  places the burden on you to determine whether you ?feel safe? to be at the event.  There is also the issue of what responsibility would be attributed to you should you be a carrier of the virus which infected another person?  It has never been clear to me whether these sanctioning bodies carry participant liability insurance or whether such off track liability would be covered, but you should be aware of this potential liability as well.  Whether Section 1 would be enforceable given the representations of safety made by the sanctioning bodies would be an issue, but here again an issue which could cost you thousands of dollars to try and overcome in a court of law.
>>             Again, I do not opine on whether the sanctioning bodies should be encouraging people to enter their events or whether it is reasonable and one should, as the release states, ?feel safe? under the present conditions to participate in these events.  It?s entirely up to you.
>> <image001.png>
>>  
>> John H. Hasty
>> Attorney at Law
>> Mullen Holland & Cooper P.A.
>> 301 S. York St.,
>> P.O. Box 488
>> Gastonia, NC 28053
>> 704.864.6751 (p) 704.861.8394 (f)
>> mhc-law.com | jhasty at mhc-law.com
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>>  
>>  
>> From: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:05 PM
>> To: John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>>  
>> Here is the adult waiver.  John, I hope you are safe and healthy.  
>>  
>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:14 PM John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
>> Send me a copy & I?ll look it over....even if the event is on, where do we eat?.. the host hotel is closed now & not certain about the future ...7 1/2 drive with no rest rooms open...@ 84 I am really beginning to wonder if it?s worth taking a chance on getting what could well be my death warrant.  I am also told that Kastner is not coming, so what?s the point of it?  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 16, 2020, at 4:30 PM, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> The Blackhawk Farms liability waiver is worth a review and comment by one of our  FOT racing attorneys.  Not  your standard form we never read. 
>>  
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:43 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> VSCDA is still planning on the Blackhawk Classic June 19-21. Blackhawk is opening May 30 and I've been in touch with the track and the race chair.
>>  
>> Also the Midwestern Council Driver's School at BFR is firm for July 4, VSCDA & SCCA participants welcome.
>>  
>> Gary Schneider
>> Midwestern Council Chief Steward for Blackhawk Classic
>>  
>> On Friday, May 15, 2020, 2:23:39 PM CDT, John H. Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Can mid Ohio be far behind?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 15, 2020, at 2:42 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> FYI that VARAC Vintage Grand Prix for 2020 has been canceled.
>>  
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Ted Michalos (via MotorsportReg.com) <autopilot at motorsportreg.com>
>> Date: Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:52 PM
>> Subject: 2020 VARAC Vintage Grand Prix has been cancelled
>> To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>>  
>> 
>> After careful consideration of all of the persons involved in running the annual VARAC Vintage Grand Prix, competitors, workers, volunteers and fans, we have decided that this year's event, scheduled for June 18 thru 21 will be not be held.  We recognize the importance of the event in the vintage racing calendar, but given the on-going Covid-19 restrictions and concerns, we feel the prudent thing to do is cancel and start planning for next year... 
>> 
>> On behalf of VARAC and our partners at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park we thank everyone involved in vintage racing for the interest and support they have shown us in the past and we look forward to hosting you all again in 2021 and beyond.
>> 
>> Stay healthy and safe.  There are better days to come, many more laps to be taken in our vintage racing machines...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent for VARAC Canada to John Styduhar at johnstydo at gmail.com, subscriber since May 2014 (Unsubscribe) 
>> 
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From hankgiffin at cox.net  Mon May 18 14:59:27 2020
From: hankgiffin at cox.net (Henry Giffin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 16:59:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Roller for sale
Message-ID: <007c01d62d57$393b7190$abb254b0$@cox.net>

FOT, another Spring project for someone interested. 

     I am selling the former Abacus Racing BRG TR3 (TS57917L).  There was a
video of Mike Jackson and Bill Thummel racing at Mid Ohio posted here
earlier in the year.  Bill won the race on Sat but Mike took it on Sunday.
It has a ready to assemble engine and a non-overdrive gearbox, with stock
TR3 rear end.  It has 5 good panasport wheels.  

     Abacus took a clean no rust street car and converted it for vintage
racing in 1991.  The SVRA logbook shows 28 races from 1991 to 1997.  Abacus
then took the engine and gearbox for their TR4.  The car sat in a dry garage
until I purchased it last year.  I intended to make a race car for my son in
law and my grandson, or even turn it back to a streetcar.  I have since
found some Turners that I think will be better for them, and the TR3 is now
available with parts. 

     I purchased a ready to assemble engine from Dave Spiwak and that will
go with the car for what I paid Dave (list attached)

     It comes with a very nice sandblasted and painted TR3 frame.  

     It has a New Mexico title.  

     The car looks solid, and has a heavy sway bar in the front.  All
instruments are there, including an overdrive button on the steering wheel.
There is a small dent in the left rear fender which looks like it can be
banged out.  I have a fiberglass tunnel.  The roll bar includes door impact
protection.  

     Abacus was very successful with the car.  More info and photos
available.

     Roller and frame for $5500.  Engine ready to assemble $5000 (pls see
attachment - I paid $5K, Dave spent $7721), and the additional below parts I
purchased from Dave ($535):

Fidanza flywheel $200

Tilton clutch $150

Starter $70

Auto Pro Rev Limiter $15

Detroit Locker $100

      I was quoted $1000 to $1500 for engine assembly by Abacus Machine
shop.  Car needs a fuel cell, tires, brake rebuild, and normal stuff done
after a car has been sitting.

     Car and frame are in Va Bch, engine parts are still in PA and I will
pick up or have shipped as soon as Dave can get home.  

     So everything totals $11,350.  I prefer it all to go together.  Anyone
interested?

     Thanks, Hank

     

Hank Giffin

757-375-1491

 

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon May 18 16:23:56 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:23:56 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass of bourbon calling my name...?..


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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 16:34:18 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 17:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
the punches.

Shawn Frank
The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
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'72 Triumph GT6 MK3
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On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>
>
> Marty
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon May 18 16:38:15 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 16:38:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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Sounds quite confusing.? At the moment I'm about 80% convinced I should 
stay home and work on my own cars.? But this could very well be one not 
to miss.? Not sure how my friend in Indianapolis is feeling about 
tagging along and making a road trip of it.? If I do attend it may be 
fly in to the closest airport, stay in the motel and fly out Sunday 
evening.? If I do show up and get in as a crew member, I promise to do 
at least activity that a crew member might do, like check tire pressure, 
wipe oil off a wrench, or get the charcoal lit for grilling dinner.

mjb.



From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 16:50:28 2020
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 18:50:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
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Agreed - hear hear Marty! we're rooting for you and Kastner Cup 2020!

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
> think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
> the punches.
>
> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
> Iowa British Car Club
> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
> 515-339-4228
>
>
> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
>> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
>> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
>> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
>> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
>> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
>> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
>> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
>> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
>> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
>> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
>> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>>
>>
>> Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From ofracer at gmail.com  Mon May 18 17:15:29 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 19:15:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <CAG9YvYM7C-iUVO=b6zWboPj+sm+WNjj-igPLRdMo=ajuHp2A2g@mail.gmail.com>
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Make this happen, my wife is looking forward to me being out of her hair
for a couple of days.

mike h

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:51 PM Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Agreed - hear hear Marty! we're rooting for you and Kastner Cup 2020!
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:34 PM Shawn Frank via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Marty. At this point, you probably feel like a punching bag. I
>> think you are doing an excellent job of being resilient and rolling with
>> the punches.
>>
>> Shawn Frank
>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor
>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Lead
>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner
>> Iowa British Car Club
>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746
>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver
>> 515-339-4228
>>
>>
>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"
>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3
>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny"
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 5:31 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Update, so, SVRA said no spectators. I contacted them (SVRA) today about
>>> overcrew tickets to purchase in case you wanted to bring an "additional
>>> crew member".  They confirmed yes it is a non spectator event but you can
>>> indeed purchase overcrew, no limit. Probably within reason though.  After I
>>> got confirmation I checked the Mid-Ohio website and low and behold you can
>>> buy tickets. To further confuse things I had told the locals that it was
>>> now a non spectator event so one of them contacted the track yesterday for
>>> a refund on a ticket he had purchased on line.  Mid-Ohio told him
>>> spectators are welcome.  So it this point I have no idea, I give up on this
>>> one. There have been some questions regarding camping. I would suggest you
>>> contact the track directly on camping. Have a good evening, I have a glass
>>> of bourbon calling my name...?..
>>>
>>>
>>> Marty
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
>>> Unsubscribe/Manage <http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage>:
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349
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>
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>
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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Mon May 18 19:15:26 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 21:15:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
In-Reply-To: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
References: <0100017229302aa4-03de37b2-e456-484a-a348-85c95f57dea2-000000@email.amazonses.com>
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HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific
to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They
also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john styduhar

2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation


The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage
racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race
tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at
Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and
social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.


Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the
Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee
series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not
easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet
dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.


Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the
Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a
race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster
track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will
once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American
Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.


Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You
simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging
wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We
hope to see you there!


REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/>

Stacey Donato

Office Manager

[image: VSCDA Logo]

*Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association*

*1600 W. Market Street*

*Logansport, IN  46947*

*Office 616-916-2650 *

*Cell 574-721-1109*

*FAX 574-753-4115*


To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the
following link
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From paulricco at att.net  Mon May 18 21:07:22 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>

John,

I agree with you.  Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms.  I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality.  They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far. 

We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down.  We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going. 

We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there.   So we will wait and see before we start spending money. 

Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> john styduhar
> 
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
> 
>  
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
> 
>  
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
> 
>  
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
> 
>  
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!
> 
>  
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE
> 
> Stacey Donato
> Office Manager
> 
> Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association
> 1600 W. Market Street
> Logansport, IN  46947
> Office 616-916-2650
> Cell 574-721-1109
> FAX 574-753-4115
> 
> To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the following link 
> <BH Adult Waiver.pdf>
> <Minor Waiver - Two Pages.pdf>
> <Car Prep Sheet RCIS 2020.docx>
> <2020 Drivers Good Faith Medial Statement.docx>
> <2020 Medical Form.docx>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From paulricco at att.net  Mon May 18 21:07:22 2020
From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 22:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>

John,

I agree with you.  Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms.  I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality.  They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far. 

We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down.  We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going. 

We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there.   So we will wait and see before we start spending money. 

Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> john styduhar
> 
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
> 
>  
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
> 
>  
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
> 
>  
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
> 
>  
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!
> 
>  
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE
> 
> Stacey Donato
> Office Manager
> 
> Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association
> 1600 W. Market Street
> Logansport, IN  46947
> Office 616-916-2650
> Cell 574-721-1109
> FAX 574-753-4115
> 
> To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the following link 
> <BH Adult Waiver.pdf>
> <Minor Waiver - Two Pages.pdf>
> <Car Prep Sheet RCIS 2020.docx>
> <2020 Drivers Good Faith Medial Statement.docx>
> <2020 Medical Form.docx>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May 18 23:50:19 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:50:19 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
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As owner of an international racing license I need a medical check yearly and a cardio check all 2 years.

The order form of the license has to be signed by a doctor.

The good thing?..it forces men to visit doctors and if you?re there you can use the visits for more tests?.like blood tests, cancer and stuff like that.

 

Without the racing license I wouldn?t have seen a doc for years.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von John Styduhar via Fot
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Mai 2020 03:15
An: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Betreff: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

 

 

HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"  specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.   They also want permission to access your health information.  Not on my life!

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org <mailto:vscda at mail.vscda.org> >
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com <mailto:johnstydo at gmail.com> >

 



john styduhar

2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation

  

The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.

  

Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.

  

Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.

  

Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!

  

REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/> 

Stacey Donato

Office Manager

Fehler! Es wurde kein Dateiname angegeben.

Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association

1600 W. Market Street

Logansport, IN  46947

Office 616-916-2650 

Cell 574-721-1109

FAX 574-753-4115


To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the following link <https://vscda.org/vscdaos/unsubscribe?e=am9obnN0eWRvQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ&s=i9vkNOicab>  

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 06:07:32 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:07:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
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Message-ID: <CABFvdWuXLBdk4EgwMg8Ff3XZunzRaG48GaWCUM20MxteibGDbQ@mail.gmail.com>

I started racing at age 40, about the time I had to give up on playing
basketball and softball due to accumulated injuries. I hadn't had a
physical in many years, just surgical patch jobs on a couple of joints.
These days licensing requires an annual physical and EKG and I have no
complaints. Racing changed my life for the better in a lot of ways and
watching my health is one of them.

After that first physical they put me on a statin drug for high Cholesterol
and later high blood pressure medicine. I did not like being on a statin so
I changed my diet, started taking an herbal supplement  and got my
cholesterol  under control to get off the drug. Due to family history of
heart issues I still have to take HBP medicine.  I started cycling about 10
years later and fixed both.

There is a book out there called "Younger Next Year".  I highly
recommend it.

Bob Kramer


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:58 AM Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> As owner of an international racing license I need a medical check yearly
> and a cardio check all 2 years.
>
> The order form of the license has to be signed by a doctor.
>
> The good thing?..it forces men to visit doctors and if you?re there you
> can use the visits for more tests?.like blood tests, cancer and stuff like
> that.
>
>
>
> Without the racing license I wouldn?t have seen a doc for years.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *Von:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *Im Auftrag von *John Styduhar
> via Fot
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 19. Mai 2020 03:15
> *An:* Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Betreff:* [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
> open
>
>
>
>
>
> HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"
> specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to
> participation.   They also want permission to access your health
> information.  Not on my life!
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association* <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
> Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
> Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
> To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
>
>
>
> [image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]
>
> john styduhar
>
> 2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation
>
>
>
> The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage
> racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race
> tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at
> Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and
> social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.
>
>
>
> Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the
> Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee
> series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not
> easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet
> dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.
>
>
>
> Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the
> Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a
> race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster
> track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will
> once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American
> Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.
>
>
>
> Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You
> simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging
> wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We
> hope to see you there!
>
>
>
> REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HERE <http://vscda.org/vscdaos/content/p/id/17/>
>
> Stacey Donato
>
> Office Manager
>
> *Fehler! Es wurde kein Dateiname angegeben.*
>
> *Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association*
>
> *1600 W. Market Street*
>
> *Logansport, IN  46947*
>
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>
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>
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>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Tue May 19 08:14:48 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:14:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
Message-ID: <74520295.1466516.1589897688408@mail.yahoo.com>

Paul...
As one of the earliest VSCDA members, I recall their Medical Form was meant to get a respected medical expert (a doctor) to say, "I know of no medical reasons that should prevent this VSCDA member from racing.".? I remember thinking, "Who the hell would want to sign that?"? But they did.
Now, if VSCDA is going to start second guessing these "experts", I wonder if it is something their insurance carrier is encouraging.? Regardless, they're opening a can of worms.? My guess is there is one (or several) people they are worried about.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.? Certainly a member with boarderline medicals can find some doctor, somewhere to sign his form.? If the Board feels qualified to second guess this stuff, they must feel it is important, because when you start drawing such lines (not accepting signed medicals), you've opened a can of worms.
Bill Dentinger


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

John,
I agree with you. ?Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms. ?I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality. ?They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far.?
We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down. ?We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going.?
We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there. ? So we will wait and see before we start spending money.?
Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"? specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.? ?They also want permission to access your health information.? Not on my life!
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john?styduhar2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation?The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.?Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.?Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.?Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!?REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HEREStacey DonatoOffice ManagerVintage Sports Car Drivers Association1600 W. Market StreetLogansport, IN? 46947Office 616-916-2650 Cell 574-721-1109FAX 574-753-4115
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From billdentin at aol.com  Tue May 19 08:14:48 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:14:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is
 open
In-Reply-To: <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
References: <CAMJWJcFbEnOYwmWdoDMcT1-_obKqrOBNeEG47qWhfu4nrdYLsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5B4541B6-D36A-437E-B43D-18E26A574CA4@att.net>
Message-ID: <74520295.1466516.1589897688408@mail.yahoo.com>

Paul...
As one of the earliest VSCDA members, I recall their Medical Form was meant to get a respected medical expert (a doctor) to say, "I know of no medical reasons that should prevent this VSCDA member from racing.".? I remember thinking, "Who the hell would want to sign that?"? But they did.
Now, if VSCDA is going to start second guessing these "experts", I wonder if it is something their insurance carrier is encouraging.? Regardless, they're opening a can of worms.? My guess is there is one (or several) people they are worried about.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.? Certainly a member with boarderline medicals can find some doctor, somewhere to sign his form.? If the Board feels qualified to second guess this stuff, they must feel it is important, because when you start drawing such lines (not accepting signed medicals), you've opened a can of worms.
Bill Dentinger


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open

John,
I agree with you. ?Last week, I told them that I would not be running events with them under these terms. ?I explained that I Look forward to seeing them when things return to reality. ?They have someone involved with the board that is taking all of this way too far.?
We hope to run a few SVRA events later in the season, if some of this settles down. ?We know they are working hard to find a way to get the season going.?
We are not concerned about the exposure of being at the track. We feel all the rest of this non-sense will take all the fun out of being there. ? So we will wait and see before we start spending money.?
Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2020, at 8:25 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?
HOLY COW, Now VSCDA has a "Driver's Good Faith Medical Statement"? specific to COVID-19 exposure and possible infection prior to participation.? ?They also want permission to access your health information.? Not on my life!
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Vintage Sports Car Drivers Association <vscda at mail.vscda.org>
Date: Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:08 PM
Subject: 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan Registration is open
To: john styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>


john?styduhar2020 VSCDA Grattan Summer Party Invitation?The 34th Vintage Grand Prix AuGrattan offers the best value in vintage racing, with more track time per day on one of the most challenging race tracks in the Midwest! You just haven?t raced until you have raced at Grattan! Find out what makes this event so special as we combine racing and social gatherings in one fun filled weekend.?Join us as we welcome the Featured Marque; S2000 racers, along with the Great Lakes Vintage Challenge, The Trans Am Series races, Formula Vee series and Spridget Race series in a racing weekend that you will not easily forget! Racing activities each day are followed by catered banquet dinners Friday and Saturday night and local microbrewery beers and wine.?Our weekend of racing will provide special opportunities to benefit the Disabled American Veterans, where a small donation will get you a ride in a race car or a sports car to experience this magnificent roller coaster track on our Saturday Rides for Charity event. For our drivers, we will once again host an Enduro race to also support the Disabled American Veterans charity, sponsored by Jeff Porasik/Raymond James Advisors.?Join us and see why this is the ?Must attend? event of the summer. You simply cannot pass up the value in the amount of track time, challenging wheel-to-wheel racing, coupled with the paddock friendships and food. We hope to see you there!?REGISTER FOR BLACKHAWK HEREStacey DonatoOffice ManagerVintage Sports Car Drivers Association1600 W. Market StreetLogansport, IN? 46947Office 616-916-2650 Cell 574-721-1109FAX 574-753-4115
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Tue May 19 08:22:52 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:22:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions
Message-ID: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>

Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.

Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?




https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 08:55:59 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 08:55:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
In-Reply-To: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
References: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6c38029-558c-84b6-8298-2a0402edc336@bradakis.com>

On 5/19/20 8:22 AM, J Wagner via Fot wrote:
> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
>
Maybe not a Triumph guy, but a Ferrari guy with 3 Testa Rosas ?

mjb.




From ponobill at gmail.com  Tue May 19 09:44:05 2020
From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 08:44:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
In-Reply-To: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
References: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2768FBD0-8A03-48B1-8F76-6219D0B06F8E@ponostyle.com>

I?ve had a few, but it?s not me. 

> On May 19, 2020, at 7:22 AM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
> 
> Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 19 11:34:06 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:34:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6408189A937A0D879E986D1ABA080@CH2PR02MB6408.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR04MB6126E92FAEADBC4640E10F2BBA4B0@MN2PR04MB6126.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>,
 <BN8PR02MB5860FD67C1A169058AE395CCBA4E0@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <BN8PR02MB5860A5A80DDD7C45F5045092BA460@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CH2PR02MB6408189A937A0D879E986D1ABA080@CH2PR02MB6408.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4514B5995146506B37BE882FBAB90@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.

Marty



From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: FOT SWAG


Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.


Give it a try.


Marty Sukey


1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/

2, set up an account for yourself and log in.

3, pick an item you might want.

4, click on apply logo,

5, select the FOT logo,

6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.

7, select location.

8, hit apply logo.

9, hit cancel or add to bag.

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue May 19 12:43:15 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:43:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514B5995146506B37BE882FBAB90@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR04MB6126E92FAEADBC4640E10F2BBA4B0@MN2PR04MB6126.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
 <BN8PR02MB5860FD67C1A169058AE395CCBA4E0@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <BN8PR02MB5860A5A80DDD7C45F5045092BA460@BN8PR02MB5860.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6408189A937A0D879E986D1ABA080@CH2PR02MB6408.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4514B5995146506B37BE882FBAB90@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVY8FMZ4JFHiDMUm9sfq3m90aMr-ARBGgbA7EVYLVnXZWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"
Thanks Marty, nice idea

mike
[image: P1014738.JPG]

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols
> currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask
> be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with
> what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you
> don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka
> draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you!
> Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End
> storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT
> insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask
> but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in
> case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log
> in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you
> need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay
> attention.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
> *From:* marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* FOT SWAG
>
>
> Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There
> is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the
> instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered
> on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am
> starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012
> special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is
> pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends
> Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of
> all you can return things.
>
>
> Give it a try.
>
>
> Marty Sukey
>
>
> 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/
>
> 2, set up an account for yourself and log in.
>
> 3, pick an item you might want.
>
> 4, click on apply logo,
>
> 5, select the FOT logo,
>
> 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing
> colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If
> you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try
> putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then
> you can tweak it as needed.
>
> 7, select location.
>
> 8, hit apply logo.
>
> 9, hit cancel or add to bag.
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 19 14:44:28 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:44:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
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 Only if you're in the pre-war group Gary

    On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:00:07 PM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"Thanks Marty, nice idea

mike

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the?virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers? babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!? I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.? So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.? Log in and just type? "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.
Marty


From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: FOT SWAG?
Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability? of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.




Give it a try.




Marty Sukey?




1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/

2, set up an account for yourself and log in.

3, pick an item you might want.

4, click on apply logo,

5, select the FOT logo,

6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better??????suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.

7, select location.

8, hit apply logo.

9, hit cancel or add to bag.

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue May 19 16:27:29 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:27:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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It says it has a new chassis & suspension. I would have to ask why.



 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:23 AM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions

 

Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.

 

Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?

 

 

 

 

 <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/

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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue May 19 17:48:38 2020
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Alfetta95)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 19:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
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Lol.   
I raced one of those around Mont Tremblant a couple years back.    Although I had a blast, some of the other cars/drivers didn?t. 

Enough said. 
Todd



> On May 19, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> It says it has a new chassis & suspension. I would have to ask why.
> <image001.jpg>
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of J Wagner via Fot
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:23 AM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions
>  
> Look at seller?s handle, ?TR3Racing?.
>  
> Does someone here have a Ferrari they never mentioned?
>  
>  
>  
>  
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-ferrari-458-challenge-evo/
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 17:48:47 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:48:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
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Reminds me of the first Utah Fast Pass event back in 2006.? High dollar 
cars, low talent drivers.? Wonder why the unlimited high speed event was 
removed from subsequent events?

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From ofracer at gmail.com  Tue May 19 18:55:59 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
Darwin at work

mike h

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 8:00 PM Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Reminds me of the first Utah Fast Pass event back in 2006.  High dollar
> cars, low talent drivers.  Wonder why the unlimited high speed event was
> removed from subsequent events?
>
> mjb.
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May 19 19:27:49 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 19:27:49 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
> Darwin at work

There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route 
we picked out.? My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.? 
We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this 
spot.? And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown 
Vic along the route seemed fine.? But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.

The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.? 
About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.? It 
finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.? The event was a 
fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund 
or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance 
to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker 
on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph 
clocked at the finish.? After already shelling out something like 5 
grand for the entry fee.

Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off 
in the Enzo.? We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, 
and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.? A 
rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's 
position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.? The spotter who saw it 
at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when 
the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different 
direction than the rest of the car.? So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 
7 times.? At 200 mph.? The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks 
scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.? Left 
rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.? But as 
you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon 
fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.? Some fine engineering.? 
Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect 
given the details of the mishap.

And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back 
together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land 
speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.

And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the 
event the following year.

mjb.




From kkjjk at aol.com  Tue May 19 19:52:47 2020
From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 01:52:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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Message-ID: <1972102641.1969461.1589939567274@mail.yahoo.com>

 What a story!
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT Auctions

On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
> Darwin at work

There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route 
we picked out.? My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.? 
We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this 
spot.? And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown 
Vic along the route seemed fine.? But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.

The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.? 
About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.? It 
finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.? The event was a 
fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund 
or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance 
to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker 
on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph 
clocked at the finish.? After already shelling out something like 5 
grand for the entry fee.

Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off 
in the Enzo.? We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, 
and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.? A 
rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's 
position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.? The spotter who saw it 
at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when 
the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different 
direction than the rest of the car.? So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 
7 times.? At 200 mph.? The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks 
scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.? Left 
rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.? But as 
you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon 
fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.? Some fine engineering.? 
Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect 
given the details of the mishap.

And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back 
together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land 
speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.

And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the 
event the following year.

mjb.


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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue May 19 19:58:00 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Evo-Spec 2012 Ferrari 458 Challenge for sale on BaT
 Auctions
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References: <794FFD24-64E8-4D20-8220-0B10A8B0113F@gmail.com>
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The guy had seat covers installed.  Duh.  He was trying to preserve the condition of the seats.  Well, after the brown stained covers were removed they were still like new.  The rest of the car was scrap.  
Dave H. 
Sent from my iPad

> On May 19, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/19/20 6:55 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote:
>> What the H can you hit there? There's not even a turn.
>> Darwin at work
> 
> There are a few gentle turns and some elevation changes along the route we picked out.  My friend Rich was the main man, I was his assistant.  We spent quite a few hours scouting the rural roads of Utah to find this spot.  And doing a couple of test passes in a Utah Highway Patrol Crown Vic along the route seemed fine.  But we never went over 100 - 110 mph.
> 
> The morning of the event there were many drivers ready to give it a go.  About 5th out was this bright orange Camaro, heavily modified.  It finished up at the end of the run clocked at 195 mph.  The event was a fundraiser for the UHP, with the money going into the Fallen Heroes Fund or whatever it was actually called, which provided financial assistance to families of troopers who were killed in the line of duty. The kicker on this event was that the drivers would pay a "fine" of $1 per mph clocked at the finish.  After already shelling out something like 5 grand for the entry fee.
> 
> Anyway, a few cars after that Bitchin' Camaro the jeweler's son took off in the Enzo.  We had spotters along the route at many of the mileposts, and they would radio in a quick word when a car passed there station.  A rough guess based on the time between spotters calling in the Ferrari's position was that it was closing in on 200 mph.  The spotter who saw it at the end said it hit a small rise in the road, got airborne and when the front wheels hit the ground they were pointed in a different direction than the rest of the car.  So it went sideways and rolled 6 - 7 times.  At 200 mph.  The car disintegrated, leaving major chunks scattered along the side of the road for about a mile and a half.  Left rear quarter over there, engine and gearbox there, and so on.  But as you can see from the picture, the passenger compartment, the carbon fiber roll cage, was intact and in one piece.  Some fine engineering.  Driver was banged up and bruised, but not as badly as one might expect given the details of the mishap.
> 
> And over a period of the next few years a local shop pieced the car back together, making some changes and the driver ended up setting a land speed record in the car out at the Salt Flats.
> 
> And oddly enough, Rich and I were not contacted about assisting with the event the following year.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Tue May 19 21:08:04 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FOT SWAG MASK
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Balaclavas for all!

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Gary Schneider via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Only if you're in the pre-war group 
> Gary
> 
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:00:07 PM CDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Do I have to soak it caster oil to make it "Vintage"
> Thanks Marty, nice idea
> 
> mike
> <P1014738.JPG>
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:39 PM marty sukey via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Heads up FOT. I have it from a reliable source that the virus protocols currently being drafted up for the upcoming Mid-Ohio race will require mask be worn when not race geared up. Don't freak out, this is consistent with what other race venues are doing. It is what it is. That being said, you don't want to show up with some hokey cloth our your grandmothers  babushka draped across your chin. No, you want to show some FOT class don't you! Well my friends I have solved your problem. Remember that Lands End storefront I set up for us last year? They have mask! With the FOT insignia!!  I'm not sure how it will look or how they will fit it on a mask but what the heck, I want to be one of the cool (and safe) kids.  So in case you forgot, below is the original email I sent our a while ago.  Log in and just type  "mask" in the search bar and it will get you where you need to go. Note, different colors have different delivery dates so pay attention.
> 
> Marty
> 
> 
> 
> From: marty <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:50 PM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: FOT SWAG
>  
> Ok boys and girls. We now have the ability  of purchasing FOT bling. There is now a FOT store front on the Lands End Business website. See the instructions below for a link. This is for getting the FOT logo embroidered on any item in their catalog. It is not for silk screened items. I am starting with the black and white coat of arms that was used in the 2012 special shirt run. Once you run through the sequence a time or two it is pretty simple. I have tried to explain it below. I have used Land Ends Business for other car clubs store fronts and it is top quality and best of all you can return things.
> 
> 
> 
> Give it a try.
> 
> 
> 
> Marty Sukey 
> 
> 
> 
> 1, go to https://business.landsend.com/store/fot/
> 
> 2, set up an account for yourself and log in.
> 
> 3, pick an item you might want.
> 
> 4, click on apply logo,
> 
> 5, select the FOT logo,
> 
> 6,if you want, select change colors. Here you can experiment with changing colors on the logo to better       suit the color of shirt you pick. If you hit select new colors you will get a drop down with multiple boxes. Try putting a different color in each box and see how it effects the logo. Then you can tweak it as needed.
> 
> 7, select location.
> 
> 8, hit apply logo.
> 
> 9, hit cancel or add to bag.
> 
> 
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed May 20 06:09:29 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:09:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Summary of "Rope Seal Alternatives"
References: <675400076.1392987.1589976569010.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <675400076.1392987.1589976569010@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for all who replied. ?There were a number of good suggestions, including a validation/clarification of the factory approach by Kas. ?That's in the book recommended by Joe Alexander (that book also discusses at 290 HP TR2....!)
Several of you replied only to me. ?There was a request to know all the responses, and a failure on my part to get my email to include the entire chain of responses in anything I sent out (as far as I can tell, anyway). Because this particular chain might prove helpful and ought to be included in any future books on TR prep, I compiled all the responses and their authors, in a pdf document, ?Please find it attached.
I should clarify at this point that I was seeking to avoid the mess made by the Aviation Cement during assembly. ?A number of responses went, quite naturally, to avoiding the mess of the oil leaks themselves. ?My concern was that I was re-assembling the bottom end with cylinders and pistons and rings all in place. ?I had nightmares of the aviation cement dripping down into the cylinder/piston space and fouling the ring pack. ?Hopefully I avoided that....
Hope to see you all in Ohio. ?We'll have a fun time trying to guess who we're talking to as we will be masked. ?Heck, I can't remember names even without masks.....
Thanks again, Amici!
Phil Gott
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 20 10:24:41 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 16:24:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Jack Stand Recall
Message-ID: <DM6PR15MB3420BBF937233FB9ED8365B9E1B60@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I'm sure we're all getting this from every angle today, but ...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a32600586/harbor-freight-jack-stands-recalled-for-risk-of-collapsing/?fbclid=IwAR1xworyzT5N0DZLL3UYEkvHl1weR4tIjO6w7sjlqsK3BRmSADHxAqd-wRI<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.roadandtrack.com%2Fcar-culture%2Fbuying-maintenance%2Fa32600586%2Fharbor-freight-jack-stands-recalled-for-risk-of-collapsing%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1xworyzT5N0DZLL3UYEkvHl1weR4tIjO6w7sjlqsK3BRmSADHxAqd-wRI&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ce84b54bf98c14be4b63508d7fcce86c6%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637255836273407358&sdata=%2F0tJVl7wlI6V4rgYKBCz9jWvleNj6DTKdTT%2F0MhpQuM%3D&reserved=0>

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu May 21 12:19:47 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:19:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <72b1efd1-305e-a5c1-baf9-8b4e0ed2b7e6@bradakis.com>

I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.




From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu May 21 13:22:06 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:22:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <72b1efd1-305e-a5c1-baf9-8b4e0ed2b7e6@bradakis.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <72b1efd1-305e-a5c1-baf9-8b4e0ed2b7e6@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1342797300.2008267.1590088926143@mail.yahoo.com>

 Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think that there would be much discussion about the event.(maybe I'm not and there is)
Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk category, concern is obviously justified.On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this event unique.
Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if postponing the event is possible?Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
Glen
Battle of Britain Racing
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18

I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.


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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu May 21 13:43:30 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:43:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
Message-ID: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com>

Something I have wondered about for years.

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to 
that question.

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Thu May 21 13:53:34 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:53:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
In-Reply-To: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com>
References: <4c3df97e-1249-1566-2c8a-9068d0a947fa@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1905359486.2020444.1590090814605@mail.yahoo.com>

 I don't know that it would affect RPM but the harmonics are very complex and there are different types/levels/orders; I can't see how that big heavy mass spinning on the back of the shaft can't help but affect things, torsional loads at the least, but I can't even spell injuneer...A smart person will jump in here and answer that one!Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 3:43 pm
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

  Something I have wondered about for years. Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. TeriAnn
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu May 21 14:10:33 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:10:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
In-Reply-To: <1771B6A6-29B9-4AD0-ADD4-269C0BDD3437@artwithcars.com>
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On 5/21/20 12:50 PM, Steven Belfer wrote:
> A heavier flywheel just takes a bit longer to get up to the higher 
> revs but the total max rpm is the same. If it is balanced properly, 
> there is no change to vibration. Most race cars utilize a harmonic 
> balancer to absorb those strange vibrations
I think the harmonic balancer is specifically to address the big 
harmonic at around 5200 ish RPM. What happens to the crank harmonics 
when the weight at the back of the crank changes?
>
>> On May 21, 2020, at 12:43 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Something I have wondered about for years.
>>
>> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
>> harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer 
>> to that question.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 14:24:42 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <1342797300.2008267.1590088926143@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <72b1efd1-305e-a5c1-baf9-8b4e0ed2b7e6@bradakis.com>
 <1342797300.2008267.1590088926143@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CABFvdWuffPUzF3c2E9zf9=Nk7heVtyCeQQMHjLpiUfsMd+GOBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Glen

There may be a few folks like me that are sitting back still hoping for the
best. I had been waiting until I found out if it was really going to
happen. I didn't expect that it would be hey, we can check that box. After
that, I had issues with taking time off from work because we split our team
to work every other day, alternating teams from home so we could protect
1/2 the team to operate the business in the case the other half got
quarantined. Fortunately that just ended but we did that with 15% reduction
in force and now I don't know if I can get away  with, or will be allowed
to take time off. After that I still have to decide if I am comfortable to
the string of hotels on a round trip from central Texas. As of now, if I
can get free from work I will go.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!
> I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think
> that there would be much discussion about the event.
> (maybe I'm not and there is)
> Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk
> category, concern is obviously justified.
> On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from
> overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number
> of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
> I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events
> but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this
> event unique.
> Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?
> I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure
> Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if
> postponing the event is possible?
> Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
> Glen
> Battle of Britain Racing
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
>
> I've decided to stay home.  Hope those who will still attend have great
> weekend.
>
> mjb.
>
>
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu May 21 14:36:38 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:36:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
References: <5220956E-91E7-4381-AC1D-B3D8E76809AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>


>> 
>> ?FOT:
>> 
>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner Cup. One is forthcoming.
>> 
>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to blink first.
>> 
>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone from attending or entering.  However:
>> 
>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
>> 
>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
>> 
>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new leadership. It is hoped that it will.
>> 
>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there electronically in the Hospitality Area.
>> 
>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of solid information.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 



From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 14:52:52 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:52:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18
In-Reply-To: <CABFvdWuffPUzF3c2E9zf9=Nk7heVtyCeQQMHjLpiUfsMd+GOBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR02MB4514793AB170237E8DAB65ADBAB80@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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I?m in with both feet! ?But then I?m not really considered high risk... ? hope to see many of you at 6 feet distances!
Dave Gott and crew


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 4:32 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Glen
There may be a few folks like me that are sitting back still hoping for the best. I had been waiting until I found out if it was really?going to happen. I didn't expect that?it would be hey, we can check that box. After that, I had issues with taking time off from work because we split our team to work every other day, alternating teams from home so we could protect 1/2 the team to operate the business in the case the other half got quarantined. Fortunately that just ended but we did that with?15% reduction in force and now I don't know if I can get away? with, or will be allowed to take time off. After that I still have to decide if I am comfortable?to the string of hotels on a round trip from central Texas. As of now, if I can get free from work I will go.
Bob Kramer

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

 Mmmm OK, that will be the icebreaker post, thanks Mark!I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't getting FOT messages, I would think that there would be much discussion about the event.(maybe I'm not and there is)
Just my $.02, since many of us are FOGs, and some in the high-risk category, concern is obviously justified.On top of the physical risk factor, no Kas, no spectators, no folks from overseas, no social activities, strict paddock protocol, a certain number of entrants cancelling, and unknown regional restrictions...
I have to admit that the appeal is gone; I don't favor spectator events but the K-Cup is completely different, all of the above are what makes this event unique.
Are there any numbers on expected entry at this point?I understand just a little from an organizational standpoint and I'm sure Joe & a few other folks are awake at night over this but just wondering if postponing the event is possible?Bummed-out in Fla & but still on the fence...
Glen
Battle of Britain Racing
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/18

I've decided to stay home.? Hope those who will still attend have great 
weekend.

mjb.


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From steve at artwithcars.com  Thu May 21 14:53:29 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:53:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
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Due to the global pandemic, I?m not racing until further notice. I canceled my reservations To OH. I?m limiting my excursions to essentials only. 

~Steve Belfer 


> On May 21, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>>> 
>>> ?FOT:
>>> 
>>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner Cup. One is forthcoming.
>>> 
>>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to blink first.
>>> 
>>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone from attending or entering.  However:
>>> 
>>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
>>> 
>>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
>>> 
>>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new leadership. It is hoped that it will.
>>> 
>>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there electronically in the Hospitality Area.
>>> 
>>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of solid information.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Joe Alexander
>>> 4505 Donald Dr
>>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>>> The-vintage-racer.com
>>> Gasketinnovations.com
>>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>>> 
> 
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 15:04:30 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 16:04:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The 2020 Kastner Cup.
In-Reply-To: <786EB439-A24B-43FF-B7AE-3582A698CBC1@artwithcars.com>
References: <7C9CCCEE-DABD-4AD2-8DE8-F6F249F8199F@cs.com>
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Message-ID: <CABFvdWuibJLHzX3xjtF+9kn1d72-Dvkq_ksJuwHA4+yWG9mTwg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not surprised, you were exposed to some very aggressive and mobile
viral germ bombs at least 10 times.

[image: image.png]

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:53 PM Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Due to the global pandemic, I?m not racing until further notice. I
> canceled my reservations To OH. I?m limiting my excursions to essentials
> only.
>
> ~Steve Belfer
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> >>>
> >>> ?FOT:
> >>>
> >>> Marty and I are trying to formulate an announcement on the Kastner
> Cup. One is forthcoming.
> >>>
> >>> We had hoped that there would be more clarity about the details of the
> event. Information seems a bit muddled. We are not sure who is going to
> blink first.
> >>>
> >>> Marty or I are not in a position to encourage or discourage anyone
> from attending or entering.  However:
> >>>
> >>> LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT KASTNER CUP RUN
> IN THIS 18 Year SERIES.
> >>>
> >>> This will be the last Kastner Cup of the series. The Kastner Cup will
> be awarded, regardless, and the Traveling Cup will be retired.
> >>>
> >>> That is not to say that the Kastner Cup will not continue on with new
> leadership. It is hoped that it will.
> >>>
> >>> A final note, for the moment: Kas KASTNER?s participation will be
> limited to some form of LIVE STREAMING. Please try not to let Kas? absence
> on the track influence your decision to attend. He will be there
> electronically in the Hospitality Area.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you to everyone for the incredible patience in the absence of
> solid information.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Joe Alexander
> >>> 4505 Donald Dr
> >>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> >>> The-vintage-racer.com
> >>> Gasketinnovations.com
> >>> Cell:  319.464.4711
> >>>
> >
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu May 21 15:29:16 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 21:29:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21
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Glen and all, I hear your concerns. Let me say without hesitation that not an hour goes by each day that I don't worry the shit about this whole situation. In reality its probably more like 15 minutes. Joes earlier reply was spot on. The cliff notes version is if SVRA races next month at Mid-Ohio we are locked in. Spectators are still a subject of debate.  SVRA said no but it looks like the track has pulled rank as I expect they kind of like the gate revenue. So, if the race goes on some of us will be there and make due the best we can. Patience (and distance ) will be appreciated. I will post any updates as soon as I get them.

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu May 21 15:40:07 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 23:40:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21
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Her in Germany things are brightening up.

The infections are going down.

Not sure about the economic damage that will hit us.

 

Hope you folks around the planet stay safe and have fun.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von marty sukey via Fot
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2020 23:29
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Mid-Ohio 5/21

 

Glen and all, I hear your concerns. Let me say without hesitation that not
an hour goes by each day that I don't worry the shit about this whole
situation. In reality its probably more like 15 minutes. Joes earlier reply
was spot on. The cliff notes version is if SVRA races next month at Mid-Ohio
we are locked in. Spectators are still a subject of debate.  SVRA said no
but it looks like the track has pulled rank as I expect they kind of like
the gate revenue. So, if the race goes on some of us will be there and make
due the best we can. Patience (and distance ) will be appreciated. I will
post any updates as soon as I get them.

 

Marty

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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Thu May 21 17:11:35 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:11:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix 2020 canceled
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcEyTSxvozCHrTnKPmPpAM4TFnwx5_rTK-gKtYF15rc=tA@mail.gmail.com>

://
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From timmmurphh at gmail.com  Thu May 21 17:07:37 2020
From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 18:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Message-ID: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com>

 

 

From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

 

The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.  The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.  The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.  Inertia increases as the square of the radius.  It is not a linear function of the radius.

 

An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.  I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.  I have never seen a calculation for it.  It would be complex.  Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine.

 

Tim Murphy

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4

 

Something I have wondered about for years.

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.

TeriAnn

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From vfracing at aol.com  Thu May 21 18:16:55 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially to us ?FOGs.?
A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks when not in our cars. For me that
means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever?
Thanks,
Phil



Sent from my iPhone


From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 21 19:17:07 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:17:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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References: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
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Fair Question Phil:

?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good time. This can be one of those events.

?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio? would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the Kastner Cup.

So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it. 

It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.

It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t. But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.

The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other groups.

So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most Significant.

We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the paddock, and our friends at hand. 

What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially to us ?FOGs.?
> A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks when not in our cars. For me that
> means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> Thanks,
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu May 21 19:28:43 2020
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:28:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
References: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E.ref@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <40B64FF35A4D459D9A96C9AFB02DC8FA@Rocky>

An anti-fog spray is good. Both for glasses and visors.

https://www.amazon.com/Optix-55-Anti-Fog-Prevents-Binoculars/dp/B07P7J48VT

--Rocky Entriken

-----Original Message----- 
From: Phil Gott via Fot
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:16 PM
To: Friends Of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup

I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told this 
will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal 
circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve 
attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a 
great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing everything 
in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks, especially 
to us ?FOGs.?
A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as I 
can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been 
canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks 
when not in our cars. For me that
means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and most 
significant Kastner Cup ever?
Thanks,
Phil



Sent from my iPhone
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Thu May 21 19:56:19 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 20:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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On my street TR4A, the harmonics came in about 2800 RPM and again at 5600 RPM.

It was an interesting sensation. Hard to describe.

I never noticed it in any of the race engines.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 21, 2020, at 6:14 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
>  
> From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>  
> The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.  The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.  The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.  Inertia increases as the square of the radius.  It is not a linear function of the radius.
>  
> An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.  I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.  I have never seen a calculation for it.  It would be complex.  Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine.
>  
> Tim Murphy
>  
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>  
> Something I have wondered about for years.
> 
> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu May 21 22:33:13 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 23:33:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
In-Reply-To: <603426AD-D1BF-4A2A-AA7B-78B20E2F7B18@gmail.com>
References: <017201d62fc4$a328bda0$e97a38e0$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <56ed86fb-5eeb-7a15-eb0d-7bdcf7663ad5@tonydrews.com>

I noticed it on track at 5600 rpm because it foamed the fuel in the 
float bowl, not because I actually felt it.

- Tony

On 5/21/2020 8:56 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote:
> On my street TR4A, the harmonics came in about 2800 RPM and again at 
> 5600 RPM.
>
> It was an interesting sensation. Hard to describe.
>
> I never noticed it in any of the race engines.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell: ?319.464.4711
>
>
>> On May 21, 2020, at 6:14 PM, timmmurphh--- via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> *From:* timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
>> *To:* 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>>
>> The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic 
>> frequency.? The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic 
>> frequency will be. The flywheel contributes a significant amount to 
>> the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is 
>> at greater radius than the other rotating masses.? Inertia increases 
>> as the square of the radius. It is not a linear function of the radius.
>>
>> An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.? I had always 
>> heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.? I have never seen a 
>> calculation for it. It would be complex.? Note that lighter pistons 
>> and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as 
>> they would reduce the inertia in the engine.
>>
>> Tim Murphy
>>
>> *From:* Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> <mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of *TeriAnn J. 
>> Wakeman via Fot
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:44 PM
>> *To:* FOT <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>> *Subject:* [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
>>
>> Something I have wondered about for years.
>>
>> Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of 
>> harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer 
>> to that question.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 23:08:46 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 00:08:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but would
love to see everyone there.

Shawn Frank
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On Thu, May 21, 2020, 8:29 PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Fair Question Phil:
>
> ?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate
> events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good
> time. This can be one of those events.
>
> ?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of
> something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio?
> would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for
> combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th
> Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it.
>
> It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s
> out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to
> the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.
>
> It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of
> ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t.
> But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.
>
> The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect
> on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the
> sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and
> Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other
> groups.
>
> So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most
> Significant.
>
> We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the
> paddock, and our friends at hand.
>
> What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told
> this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal
> circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve
> attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a
> great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing
> everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks,
> especially to us ?FOGs.?
> > A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as
> I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been
> canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks
> when not in our cars. For me that
> > means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> > Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> > But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and
> most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Fri May 22 00:16:31 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:16:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Hi TeriAnn, 
In theory, a lighter flywheel would make shift the harmonics to higher rpm and the load on the crankshaft (torsion forces) would be less. I believe this is a reality in the case of the 4 cyl TR crank. The heavy flywheel is there for smoother running, I don't know if there are other advantages? As you know (i.e. of the books of Kas Kastner), the harmonics of the 6 cyl TR crank are much more detrimental with high levering loads on the flywheel bolts. 
Maybe the front pulley can be made lighter when the flywheel is lighter. 
Respectfully yours, 
Marcel Van Mulders. 

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Onderwerp: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 



Something I have wondered about for years. 

Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question. 

TeriAnn 

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 05:28:09 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:28:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods 
 That's a BIG gain, it gets some of that recip/bending load out of the mains. 
Glen
 
 
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Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 ?The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.? The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.? The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.? Inertia increases as the square of the radius.? It is not a linear function of the radius. ?An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.? I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.? I have never seen a calculation for it.? It would be complex.? Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. ?Tim Murphy ?From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 22 06:40:02 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 07:40:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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The future is a big unknown and having been involved with organizing two
K-Cups I have a couple of observations and one big fear. I'll start the
spit-balling I think and I think that Joe thinks we need to develop a plan
to keep us getting together.

I'll start with the fear because it can be overcome if we face it now. I
ride MS150's. I've done 9 years in a row until this year. Both the Houston/
to Austin and the Dallas to Ft Worth rides were both cancelled this year.
When you do these 180 mile rides it is best to be on a team. The Team I
began riding with is no more. The founder, lead organizer, and
facilitator of the 35 member team passed away a few years ago. It was a
tragic, unexpected loss.  His "Wheels of Love Team" faltered because there
was not a clear path forward. There were some questions as to whether his
wife wanted the team to continue and without his leadership the team has
just faded. It was built around his leadership.We have had that type of
leadership and legacy in the Kastner Cup with Kas and Joe. If we are going
to keep this going we need a leader who can organize and facilitate, and
inspire participation. That person has to have the time and the
wherewithal to do it and the support of the rest of us. We have to want
this to continue and we have to show up to keep it going.

Observations:
Smaller 20 something car events, like the the Hallett and Eagles Canyon
K-Cups are fun but for me, larger participation numbers are even more fun.
We are getting older and some have and others will retire from racing. Will
we continue to have enough racers to keep the K-Cup viable?
We are spread out all across America and unlike Europe, it is
unrealistic to expect us all to get together once a year. Is there a place
we could do that?
If the K-Cup is to be "retired" , what will be the focus of the next "cup".
Should we consider collecting an All British race group like the Euro's do?
We have an obvious turning point after this race. We don't have to try to
do the exact same thing going forward. How else could we keep this going?

Like I said, spit-balling.

Bob Kramer


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Fair Question Phil:
>
> ?Best?.   In our history, some of the Kastner Cups were small intimate
> events where good friends got together, raced together, and had a good
> time. This can be one of those events.
>
> ?Significant?.  We had Kas at Mid-Ohio in 2002. It was the start of
> something very important to many of us. Ideally, ?The Return to Mid-Ohio?
> would have been 2022, but it didn?t seem like a good idea to wait for
> combined anniversary of the 1st Big Triumph event in 1992 (the 50th
> Anniversary of Triumphs in Competition) and the 20th Anniversary of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> So let?s put ?Best? and ?Significant? together and just do it.
>
> It won?t be the major production that was originally conceived, but that?s
> out of our control. But we can do what we can to Honor Kas? Contribution to
> the Motorsports World, with the people that are able to be there.
>
> It will also be an opportunity for you guys to discuss the future of
> ?Triumph Focus Events?. It doesn?t have to end at Mid-Ohio. It shouldn?t.
> But it can be re-invented into something very significant. Kastner Cup II.
>
> The FOT and the Kastner Cup has quietly garnered recognition and respect
> on a global level. We have the best and most significant people in the
> sport. When we go to Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, Road America, and
> Mid-Ohio, the GATE is huge. And usually we have more fun than any other
> groups.
>
> So the 18th Running of the Kastner Cup promises to be the Best and most
> Significant.
>
> We have Clark Lincoln?s Poster and Shirt artwork, plenty of room in the
> paddock, and our friends at hand.
>
> What more could we ask for. See you there, if you can....all of you.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Phil Gott via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I hate to be ?the guy,? but it needs to be asked: we have been told
> this will be the best and most significant Kastner Cup ever. Under normal
> circumstances, that would be enough for me to go. Prior SVRA events I?ve
> attended have been great fun, and I trust the FOT organizers to Pit on a
> great program. But this year is different. SVRA seems to be doing
> everything in its power to minimize viral risks. But there are still risks,
> especially to us ?FOGs.?
> > A good deal of the fun of these events is the social side, and as far as
> I can tell ( please correct me if I am wrong) the social aspects have been
> canceled as part of mimimixing the health risks.  We will be wearing masks
> when not in our cars. For me that
> > means spending the weekend looking out through foggy glasses.
> > Yes, this will likely be the most memorable Kastner Cup ever.
> > But the question is: what is planned that will make this the best and
> most significant Kastner Cup ever?
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 22 06:42:53 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 06:42:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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On 5/21/20 11:08 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote:
> I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but 
> would love to see everyone there.

The times I'll be sitting at my computer looking? at pics and videos of 
the event and thinking "Wish I was there!" will probably be about 100 
times more common than the times I'll be thinking "Glad I stayed home."

mjb.




From britcars at bellsouth.net  Fri May 22 06:57:40 2020
From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:57:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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 Back in 1980, Fred Baker won the run-offs at Road Atlanta in a Jag XKE. One thing that he said helped was making the flywheel and harmonic damper as close to the same weight as possible. He used some big American car damper. They had trouble making maximum RPM and ran the engine on a dyno with a strobe light on the flywheel and noticed a severe flex to the crank. They increased the damper weight and the vibration was reduced giving close to 1,000 more RPM. The cranks "wiggle" at high RPM. Matching the weight at both ends reduced that. They did blow the engine the next week when giving writers a test ride. I used this theory on my TR4A using a factory crank that I modified and lightened, I used an ATI custom damper and a lightened aluminum flywheel (less than 18 lbs for flywheel, PP and disc) and was able to turn the engine to 7,300. I also used a custom 1/4" plate bolted to the oil pan rail and across to the center main caps. Maybe some one can get more info on this theory.
Barry Rosenberg
    On Friday, May 22, 2020, 07:32:38 AM EDT, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
  

Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods 
 That's a BIG gain, it gets some of that recip/bending load out of the mains. 
Glen
 
 
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? ?From: timmmurphh at gmail.com <timmmurphh at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:06 PM
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Subject: RE: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 ?The weight of the flywheel will definitely affect the harmonic frequency.? The heavier the flywheel, the lower the harmonic frequency will be.? The flywheel contributes a significant amount to the total rotating inertia due to its weight and that the weight is at greater radius than the other rotating masses.? Inertia increases as the square of the radius.? It is not a linear function of the radius. ?An RPM of 5200 was mentioned as the harmonic resonance.? I had always heard that it was more like 6300 RPM.? I have never seen a calculation for it.? It would be complex.? Note that lighter pistons and connecting rods would tend to lower the harmonic frequency as they would reduce the inertia in the engine. ?Tim Murphy ?From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
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Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4 ?Something I have wondered about for years.Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.TeriAnn_______________________________________________
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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May 22 08:21:22 2020
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:21:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Flywheel wt & crank harmonics -TR3/4
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Everything resonates at it own natural frequency including us haha, and if your crank and flywheel are close in that particular freq you will have a problem so changing the weight will change the freq. subtracting weight does help but to what measure on your application I can't say, adding weight may help but it could also have the effect of compounding the problem. I am partial to using a front pulley as light and small as possible (no damper) and also a huge fan of light weight flywheels and small diameter clutches for this very reason. The most expensive thing you can do to help your the problem is a super light crankshaft. I recently build a motor for a guy with a custom crank that knocked off 12 lbs and I could tell the difference on the dyno before it ever went in the car, the typical vibrations were gone. I asked the driver after his first session how he liked the motor and the only thing he kept saying was "it's so smooth" over and over, it audibly sounded different on track as well, crazy. The really bad part is when the Harmonic frequency gets transferred to the valve train, then you will have a serious disaster. 4 cylinders are known for this problem and some guys won't even run one on their Dyno and I personally have thrown more flywheels off on the Dyno than I would care to admit and this very problem has forced me to look at the options if for no other reason than to make my life easier. Not looking for work here but I would be willing to build a crank for anyone wanting to take their stuff to the next level but it would cost about $3000.
Thanks, Rick
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    On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 03:43:54 PM EDT, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
   
Something I have wondered about for years.
 
Does the weight of the flywheel affect the RPM and intensity of harmonics inherent in a TR3/4 stock crank? I've never found an answer to that question.
 
TeriAnn
 
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From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:25:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
Message-ID: <dcd573d2-9094-0043-410d-a0aabe554ba4@bradakis.com>

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire 
group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen 
<https://www.facebook.com/eric.vandiggelen?__tn__=%2Cd%2AF%2AF-R&eid=ARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU&tn-str=%2AF&hc_location=group_dialog>

12 hrs <https://www.facebook.com/eric.vandiggelen/posts/10216645173190818>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in 
a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this 
Stolen Car Please Share"


mjb.


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From rick.parent at att.net  Fri May 22 08:36:12 2020
From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:36:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <1a929a20-93ba-01c7-7f22-6864be15b76a@bradakis.com>
References: <4DAB7090-22FA-4367-9D13-1FA4F4FDE54E@aol.com>
 <C546C44F-8039-451B-BF13-D273BA6E0CA4@gmail.com>
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Don't worry Phil we will still have fun it will just look a little different this year. SVRA will not be the the Covid 19 police when it comes to what is going on in the Paddock. The SVRA team will be using self imposed strict guidelines to protect everyone we come in contact with as a professional courtesy to all our friends and competitors but the track dictates how things work in the Paddock, I suspect by the time the race rolls around things may die down a bit, fingers crossed.
I'm looking forward to seeing all of you and for the ones who choose not to come I totally get it and respect your position, just know you will be missed.
Rick

General (Mad Dog) Mattis"Be prepared to reverse decisions as new data comes in, then replace assumptions?with knowledge"
 

    On Friday, May 22, 2020, 08:45:18 AM EDT, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 On 5/21/20 11:08 PM, Shawn Frank via Fot wrote:
> I'll post photos and video to the list if you don't want to go, but 
> would love to see everyone there.

The times I'll be sitting at my computer looking? at pics and videos of 
the event and thinking "Wish I was there!" will probably be about 100 
times more common than the times I'll be thinking "Glad I stayed home."

mjb.


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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 22 08:49:52 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:49:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
In-Reply-To: <dcd573d2-9094-0043-410d-a0aabe554ba4@bradakis.com>
References: <dcd573d2-9094-0043-410d-a0aabe554ba4@bradakis.com>
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Wow!  Interesting low-line bonnet on that one.  Looks like it's been sectioned.  Cool.  Hope they find it.

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:26 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%3F__tn__%3D%252Cd%252AF%252AF-R%26eid%3DARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU%26tn-str%3D%252AF%26hc_location%3Dgroup_dialog&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=9jhlfmgj0SL%2BCrFQRVxtpog2gmSTNUA9jr6PK8bitU8%3D&amp;reserved=0>

12 hrs <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%2Fposts%2F10216645173190818&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=z0pOPTAJA00fPBz2Vvjr6nVw4YiQuv%2FsvXTkrDXL8J0%3D&amp;reserved=0>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this Stolen Car Please Share"


mjb.



From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:21:36 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:21:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
Message-ID: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>

Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.

The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.

It?s what we make of it.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 


From ofracer at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:35:46 2020
From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:35:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>
References: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>

I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.

Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people
worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
>
> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
>
> It?s what we make of it.
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 09:47:47 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>
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Well, that sounded a little unkind on my part. Sorry.

I am not trying to finish the seriousness of the Pandemic.  The Spanish was known as the Spanish Flu because they were the first ones to recognize the problem. In the meantime it was killing millions of people, exacerbated by troop movements in The Great War.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Mike Harmuth <ofracer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.
> 
> Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online
>  
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html
> 
>> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
>> 
>> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
>> 
>> It?s what we make of it.
>> 
>> Joe Alexander
>> 4505 Donald Dr
>> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>> The-vintage-racer.com
>> Gasketinnovations.com
>> Cell:  319.464.4711
>> 
>> 
>> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> > 
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 22 09:50:05 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:50:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR15MB342079AD8BC864252C661E9EE1B40@DM6PR15MB3420.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <dcd573d2-9094-0043-410d-a0aabe554ba4@bradakis.com>
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Message-ID: <009e01d63050$aabedb80$003c9280$@comcast.net>

Nice catch Scott, looks like 2.5 - 3" section. I'm guessing it's fiberglass. Good looking car.
The FB post says the trailer was recovered but the car is gone. I have often wondered about stolen race cars and why they were stolen.
More often that not it seems they are after the trailers and or tools, not so much the car.
In this case they kept the car. What do you do? strip it for parts, certainly not show up at a track and race it with another paint job.
I don't have anything on my trailer to suggest there is a race car inside. A drag racer friend of mine paints his car number on the roof of the trailer.
A thief wouldn't know it and law enforcement can identify it from the air. Very helpful if you have a GPS tracker.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 8:50 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Wow!  Interesting low-line bonnet on that one.  Looks like it's been sectioned.  Cool.  Hope they find it.

Scott (B.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:26 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Stolen Spitfire, San Francisco area

Those of you on Facebook who follow the Racing the Triumph Spitfire group have already seen this.

"Eric Van Diggelen
<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%3F__tn__%3D%252Cd%252AF%252AF-R%26eid%3DARDgXacY2HwVBrDGBdbc1p67no7jROlMSqdVlBXDmMOhxLWbCNdHIthVYw7xltZpOUp_-DOJuFe5g5YU%26tn-str%3D%252AF%26hc_location%3Dgroup_dialog&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=9jhlfmgj0SL%2BCrFQRVxtpog2gmSTNUA9jr6PK8bitU8%3D&amp;reserved=0>

12 hrs <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Feric.vandiggelen%2Fposts%2F10216645173190818&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Cfc6314bd9e6f471edf0508d7fe5c215f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257544167205092&amp;sdata=z0pOPTAJA00fPBz2Vvjr6nVw4YiQuv%2FsvXTkrDXL8J0%3D&amp;reserved=0>?
Looking for my Fathers Triumph Spitfire 1500 Race Car that was stolen in a trailer earlier this month PLEASE DM ME IF YOU SEE THIS CAR!!!!! 
Stolen from San Francisco Bay Area Please keep an Eye out for this Stolen Car Please Share"


mjb.


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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Fri May 22 09:54:27 2020
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:54:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
In-Reply-To: <CAO0FjVaqAFBbvf_sWZzwyHQCKMnHf=FAABL4cgk4C6Ngz6mY1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A9987099-25E6-4AD9-8CAE-D9AE807E676B@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <00a001d63051$46206260$d2612720$@comcast.net>

In 1968 we didn?t have a 24 hour news cycle or the interweb.

 

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:36 AM
To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup

 

I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.

 

Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.

The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.

It?s what we make of it.

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> > wrote:
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 10:10:58 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:10:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
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Thanks Joe, Rick and others.
Good to know what can and cannot be expected at the event. Thanks for your straightforward answers. Tough decision....
Regards,
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Jim Gray via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In 1968 we didn?t have a 24 hour news cycle or the interweb.
>  
> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:36 AM
> To: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage at gmail.com>; FoTTriumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Hard Question; Kastner Cup
>  
> I don't remember this, guess I was having too much of a good time.
>  
> Woodstock occurred during Hong Kong flu pandemic killed 1 million people worldwide 100,000 Americans | Daily Mail Online
>  
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8320761/Woodstock-occurred-Hong-Kong-flu-pandemic-killed-1-million-people-worldwide-100-000-Americans.html
>  
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:25 AM Joe Alexander via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Thanks Rick. It helps mitigate the Chicken Little types.
> 
> The usual suspects have surfaced. This will help stifle the rest of them.
> 
> It?s what we make of it.
> 
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> The-vintage-racer.com
> Gasketinnovations.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
> 
> 
> > On May 22, 2020, at 9:43 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 10:35:48 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:35:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
References: <1804837823.2317411.1590165348064.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.Glen Efinger
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 11:26:32 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:26:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
Message-ID: <000901d6305e$2375f380$6a61da80$@klaenv.com>

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It
appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are
one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?

 

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a
death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.

 

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves
?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.

 

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a
vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some
60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to
develop antibodies against the virus.

 

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000
Americans to have had the virus.

 

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would
perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the
demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see
some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.

 

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross
your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the
indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to
varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers
and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple
of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.

 

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think
this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we
would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until
they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their
hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all
the very best of luck.

 

Ken

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Fri May 22 11:37:31 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:37:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
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Flashback

I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am
I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

> I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
> I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of
> the same feelings.
> Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health
> concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the
> consequences can be major.
> I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of
> one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
> I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could
> top that!
> Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who
> have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
> Glen Efinger
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 22 12:34:39 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:34:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
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 Man that's ringing a bell but...We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.I can account for bats and gators though...Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses

Flashback
I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.? Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?
Bob Kramer

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.Glen Efinger
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May 22 12:42:07 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:42:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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Some interesting stuff here indeed.

In truth the whole pandemic thing has me thinking about my health in 
general, looking at the long term picture.? Sure, I am diabetic, but it 
is not to the point of daily blood sugar testing, just every three 
months or so go in and see the doctor with a quick A1C blood test.? Will 
I improve, or get worse?? I'll be checking out that "Younger Next Year" 
book previously mentioned. Of course being only 66 years old now makes 
me a youngster compared to some on this list.

The gist of it has me questioning my goals.? Is it really worth it for 
me to return Killer to the track, and take on full fledged wheel to 
wheel vintage racing again, or should I ease off and just put together a 
nice, peppy streetable driver that can handle an autocross or two?? 
There's no easy way to objectively measure effort put in versus rewards 
gained.? It is a question of spirit, of adventure, excitement, a 
question of following your heart balanced with the real world.

I've posted this before in various venues, I really wish I knew who 
wrote it.? I'm not into motorcycles, but this transcends the hardware, 
and gets right into it.? Where lays the heart, where lays the soul of an 
old dinosaur like me?

=====

As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
perfect machines.? Their bikes are precision instruments built by
precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.

About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
Rolled up to a stop sign.? A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
the wick, and thumped on up the hill.? I shut nort down to listen
to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.? I was
thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
I choke, and tears fill my eyes.? As that quiet thump, thump,
thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
perfect Marin autumn days.? Back then, me and my dinosaur could
still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.

These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
the Rockies.? But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.? But I wonder,
where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?





From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri May 22 12:56:37 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:56:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <685a55c7-d5c4-a268-a07a-bd8e171d521b@bright.net>

It's "Show Time" for shirt orders. Many of you have already contacted me 
with payment details. But, would really like to hear from all by this 
week-end.? Once all info is logged, we can go ahead with production.? 
Here is what we need - name, method of payment and are we shipping or 
being picked up at event.? Names, addresses and contact details are on 
Jim Hassal's order spread sheet so we are good to go once you contact 
me.? Our FAX seems to be MIA so phone or email, please.? Thanks to all. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022



From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri May 22 13:03:43 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:03:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
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I think the chicken is a VTR thing awarded to someone who had a failure of some sort.

From: fubog1 via Fot 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:34 PM
To: rkramer56 at gmail.com 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses

Man that's ringing a bell but...
We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.
I can account for bats and gators though...
Glen






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses


Flashback 

I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?

Bob Kramer


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

  I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
  I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.
  Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.
  I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
  I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!

  Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
  Glen Efinger

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From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Fri May 22 13:25:51 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:25:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mid-O responses
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There was a Rubber Chicken Racing in the Pacific Northwest. I think there was one hanging out of Alfa trunk. 

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On May 22, 2020, at 2:04 PM, fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Man that's ringing a bell but...
> We dod have an envelope body sprite racing down here in SCCA vintage that does meet that description.
> I can account for bats and gators though...
> Glen
> <Kates & gator & TR.jpg>
> <P1000720.JPG>
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com>
> To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>
> Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid-O responses
> 
> Flashback
> 
> I've seen a rubber chicken, maybe hanging out of the boot lid on a TR4.  Am I imagining something or maybe that was at a VTR event?
> 
> Bob Kramer
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:46 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I just want to thank all who replied, on and off the list.
> I summed up my concerns in my post yesterday, and apparently many are of the same feelings.
> Obviously health concerns are the issue, and for some of us, the health concerns are greater than others; albeit the risk may be low, the consequences can be major.
> I hope my post didn't imply a "chicken little" attitude or suggestion of one, in any way; that couldn't be further than the truth.
> I was at the 92 event and was really looking forward to seeing if we could top that!
> Thanks again to all who replied, and to Joe, Marty, and a few others who have been carrying the torch and setting up this event.
> Glen Efinger
> _______________________________________________
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From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 13:59:39 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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Mark;
I love it!!
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
> I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
> these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
> perfect machines.  Their bikes are precision instruments built by
> precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.
> 
> About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
> coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
> Rolled up to a stop sign.  A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
> around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
> the wick, and thumped on up the hill.  I shut nort down to listen
> to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.  I was
> thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
> All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
> I choke, and tears fill my eyes.  As that quiet thump, thump,
> thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
> It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
> perfect Marin autumn days.  Back then, me and my dinosaur could
> still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
> primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
> so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.
> 
> These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
> the Rockies.  But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
> I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
> fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.  But I wonder,
> where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?
> 



From vfracing at aol.com  Fri May 22 13:59:39 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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References: <ef91a975-8c40-0025-5dfd-83beb6ade9d2@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <C280389B-7663-4FCA-B1A3-03B562316FCE@aol.com>

Mark;
I love it!!
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Mark J Bradakis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> As I watch the Japanese crotch-rockets blasting the circuits,
> I am suffused with a distilled sense of wonder, and I marvel;
> these men and women are so skilled, perfect machines riding on
> perfect machines.  Their bikes are precision instruments built by
> precision instruments, sold in their multitude to the techno-dazed.
> 
> About ten years ago, I was out earholing on a norton-racer-road in
> coastal Marin county (north of San Francisco) on my '75 Commando.
> Rolled up to a stop sign.  A guy on an old 500cc BSA thumper came
> around the corner facing me, leaned through the corner, dialed up
> the wick, and thumped on up the hill.  I shut nort down to listen
> to the sound of that long-stroke single haul that hill.  I was
> thrilled; I could feel the sound through the soles of my boots.
> All these years later, when I remember that sound, that fine sound,
> I choke, and tears fill my eyes.  As that quiet thump, thump,
> thump, faded up the hill, me and nort sat and thought of dinosaurs.
> It was a good day to think about dinosaurs, one of those crisp,
> perfect Marin autumn days.  Back then, me and my dinosaur could
> still swat the Japanese flies buzzing around the hills, those
> primordial crotch-rockets, awesome machines that have come to be
> so strong, strong enough to eat me and nort for breakfast.
> 
> These ten years gone, I'm now flogging that British oil-bath around
> the Rockies.  But the king is dead (long live the king!), and
> I'm the dinosaur now, breathing the last breath of extinction;
> fading quietly, thump, thump, thump up that hill.  But I wonder,
> where went the soul, where went the art, where went the heart?
> 



From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 14:08:45 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:08:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.

?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?


That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 

Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.

If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  

The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!





Let?s all take a reality pill here.  




You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin











> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>  
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>  
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>  
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>  
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>  
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>  
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>  
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>  
> Ken
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From jhasty at mhc-law.com  Fri May 22 14:23:49 2020
From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:23:49 +0000
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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IMHO?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?
I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.


?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?

That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited.

Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.

If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.

The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.

?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!


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Let?s all take a reality pill here.

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You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin








On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.

Ken
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 14:45:36 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:45:36 -0700
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From don at dcphotos.com  Fri May 22 15:00:42 2020
From: don at dcphotos.com (don at dcphotos.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:00:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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All, 
I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.

You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may

go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.

Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.

rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.

I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.

I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 

If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.

It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 

Keep the F in FOT,

Don






From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:44:10 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:44:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  

I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.

A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.

Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.

Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  

This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.

I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.

And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   

Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.

I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  

Never be beaten by a virus!

?Justin






> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
> 
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
> 
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
> 
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
> 
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
> 
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
>  
> 
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
> 
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
> 
>  
> 
> Ken
> 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:49:27 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:49:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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On 5/22/20 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot wrote:
> ?it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.

When some of us reach herd immunity. Maybe after sacrificing the lives 
of a couple hundred thousand Americans, maybe more, maybe a few million 
people around the world.

*I thought this was a list for Triumphs, not to argue over the virus 
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 15:51:14 2020
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:51:14 -0700
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> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> All, 
> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
> 
> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
> 
> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
> 
> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
> 
> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
> 
> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
> 
> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
> 
> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
> 
> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
> 
> Keep the F in FOT,
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lunkercars at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 16:04:04 2020
From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:04:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Please... just stop!

> 


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 22 16:10:58 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:10:58 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Kastner Cup shirts
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Come on folks, don't leave Ted hanging. These are a special shirt all will be happy with. They are ordered, nows we gots to pay da man before he sends out Guido!

Marty

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It's "Show Time" for shirt orders. Many of you have already contacted me
with payment details. But, would really like to hear from all by this
week-end.  Once all info is logged, we can go ahead with production.
Here is what we need - name, method of payment and are we shipping or
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me.  Our FAX seems to be MIA so phone or email, please.  Thanks to all. Ted

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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri May 22 16:16:48 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
Everyone has an opinion on this.  So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
Everything else is dangerous territory.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Please... just stop!
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Fri May 22 16:17:48 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Ken Knight)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:17:48 -0700
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 16:29:56 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:29:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
> 
> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
> 
> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
> 
> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
> 
> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
> 
> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
> 
> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
> 
> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
> 
> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
> 
> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
> 
> Never be beaten by a virus!
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
> 
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
> 
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
> 
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
> 
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
> 
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
> 
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
> 
> ?Justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
>  
> 
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
> 
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
> 
>  
> 
> Ken
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 16:30:35 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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In my humble opinion

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:23 PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
> 
> IMHO?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>> 
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>> 
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>> 
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>> 
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>> 
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <image1.png>
>> 
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>> 
>> <image1.png>
>> 
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>>>  
>>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>>>  
>>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>>>  
>>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>>>  
>>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>>>  
>>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>>>  
>>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>>>  
>>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>>>  
>>> Ken
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri May 22 16:33:07 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:33:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Hey, it's Friday and here on the west coast, very close to beer thirty.  
Thumbs up, smilie face. 
Cheers! 
Dave H.  

Sent from my iPad

> On May 22, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
> Everyone has an opinion on this.  So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
> I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
> Everything else is dangerous territory.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Please... just stop!
>> 
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From john.r.davies at btinternet.com  Fri May 22 16:37:19 2020
From: john.r.davies at btinternet.com (John Davaies)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 23:37:19 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 103, Issue 163
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Delighted to hear that the Cup is on at Mid-Ohio!      But as there's almost
certain to be no racing before then in the UK, I'm not going to ship mine
all that way without even a shake down.  Even if I was allowed into your
fair country!
So have a good one guys, and there's always next year!

Bests
John

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 16:39:11 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:39:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Hey everybody, look at these cool Triumph parts!





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On Friday, May 22, 2020, 6:16 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

With this kind of discussion, social distancing should be easy!
Everyone has an opinion on this.? So far, there?s not enough conclusive data for most of it to be more than opinion.
I learned a long time ago on this forum, when i took issue with what i perceived as a homophobic slur, that this forum should stick to Triumphs, and that?s it.
Everything else is dangerous territory.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Greg Hilyer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Please... just stop!
> 
>> 
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From billdentin at aol.com  Fri May 22 16:48:26 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:48:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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I think Mr Hasty knows you know what IMHO means. ?
I suspect he is questioning if in fact your opinion?is humble.
Well! As Joe always said, "NO DUES. ?NO RULES"
I guess that's why the FOT works.
Bill Dentinger


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 On?Friday, May 22, 2020,?J Wagner via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

In my humble opinion
On May 22, 2020, at 1:23 PM, John H. Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:



IMHO?

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:



?I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.

?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.? This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?

That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited.?
Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all. ?And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe. ?And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves. ?The rest need to get on with their lives. ?
The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....? ??

That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality. ?The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity. ?

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there. ?We?re heading into our Summer!


<image1.png>
Let?s all take a reality pill here. ?
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You said,??We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.?I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?

Yes. ?So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies. ? That?s gross hyperbole, not science.

It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.

What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed? ? What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening? ?What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia? ?Car accidents? ?Going to an ATM late at night?

Yet we all get on with our lives.

?Justin












On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:




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The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.? It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.? What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
 
 ?
 
As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.? Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
 
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Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.? This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
 
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It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
 
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The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
 
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If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.? Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
 
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Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.? You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.? We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.? It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
 
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We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.? I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ??I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.? I wish all the very best of luck.
 
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Ken
 
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From john at linneyweb.com  Fri May 22 17:16:06 2020
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058


Sent from my iPad

>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> <image1.jpeg>
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> All, 
>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>> 
>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>> 
>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>> 
>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>> 
>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>> 
>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>> 
>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>> 
>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>> 
>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>> 
>> Keep the F in FOT,
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 17:58:04 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
In-Reply-To: <47C524A9-B875-4206-8B80-939FD5D0DB65@linneyweb.com>
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California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-doctors-say-theyve-seen-more-deaths-from-suicide-than-coronavirus-since-lockdowns

> On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
> 
> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> <image1.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All, 
>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>>> 
>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>>> 
>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>>> 
>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>> 
>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>> 
>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>>> 
>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>>> 
>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>> 
>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>>> 
>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Fri May 22 18:14:28 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:14:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
In-Reply-To: <47C524A9-B875-4206-8B80-939FD5D0DB65@linneyweb.com>
References: <133B7CEA-4035-4093-ACCD-21DDC208B565@gmail.com>
 <47C524A9-B875-4206-8B80-939FD5D0DB65@linneyweb.com>
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Mineself I will put my trust in the experts in the field. Those Drs who 
have devoted their lives to research. And the scientists doing research.

I also read history and study it. "Those who don't learn from the 
mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them." Read up on the Spanish 
Flu of a century ago.

And people revolting against the lock downs: they don't have things 
nearly as bad as our ancestors did. Two months? Seriously? Most of our 
parents lived through the Great Depression. For years. And made the best 
of it.

When the experts say there will be a second round and say it will be 
worse I believe them. "You can pay me now or pay me later." Fram 
advertisement.

And to all the doctors nurses first responders and all in the Health 
Care field: Thank You. I worked in a hospital for 29 years and saw a 
lot. I have a real soft spot for nurses.

Best wishes to everyone and stay safe.

Bill

On 5/22/2020 7:16 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote:
> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before 
> Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days 
> like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in 
> the US.??Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by 
> many means.?You can play with the data and make your own mind up. 
> https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058 
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> <image1.jpeg>
>>
>>
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in 
>>> this current Covid world we are in.
>>>
>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what 
>>> you are asking others to do so you may
>>>
>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech 
>>> inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is 
>>> packed with others of unknown health status.
>>>
>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three 
>>> others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight 
>>> hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>>
>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>>
>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must 
>>> make this choice for themselves.
>>>
>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are 
>>> certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will 
>>> get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever,
>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months.
>>>
>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop 
>>> that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>>
>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is 
>>> about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. 
>>> Being hit by lightning is not contagious.
>>>
>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>
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From 4msonset at gmail.com  Fri May 22 18:35:03 2020
From: 4msonset at gmail.com (J Wagner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:35:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Coronavirus: Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause 'irreparable damage'

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/dr-anthony-fauci-says-staying-closed-for-too-long-could-cause-irreparable-damage.html

> On May 22, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Mineself I will put my trust in the experts in the field. Those Drs who have devoted their lives to research. And the scientists doing research.
> 
> I also read history and study it. "Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them." Read up on the Spanish Flu of a century ago.
> 
> And people revolting against the lock downs: they don't have things nearly as bad as our ancestors did. Two months? Seriously? Most of our parents lived through the Great Depression. For years. And made the best of it.
> 
> When the experts say there will be a second round and say it will be worse I believe them. "You can pay me now or pay me later." Fram advertisement.
> 
> And to all the doctors nurses first responders and all in the Health Care field: Thank You. I worked in a hospital for 29 years and saw a lot. I have a real soft spot for nurses.
> 
> Best wishes to everyone and stay safe.
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On 5/22/2020 7:16 PM, John Linney via Fot wrote:
>> Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:57 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All, 
>>>> I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.
>>>> 
>>>> You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may
>>>> 
>>>> go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more                   will have to travel, most inside a giant
>>>> metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.
>>>> 
>>>> Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.
>>>> 
>>>> rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.
>>>> 
>>>> I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.
>>>> 
>>>> I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 
>>>> we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 
>>>> 
>>>> If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.
>>>> 
>>>> It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 
>>>> 
>>>> Keep the F in FOT,
>>>> 
>>>> Don
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> fot at autox.team.net
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>> 
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From sjanzen at me.com  Fri May 22 21:02:19 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 23:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
Message-ID: <FC1C7482-7D31-4883-99AE-B96FBF2E66B3@me.com>

Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.

So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.

Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?

Having fun in the garage these days!!!

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri May 22 21:03:40 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 03:03:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Ohmygawdpleasedropitalready.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233

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California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns


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Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.  Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmur.com%2Farticle%2Fcoronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states%2F32380058&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca8289f6d24414947a94e08d7feacaa4f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257889879490044&sdata=x3yQx1HinFgRUMULGWSRUK6RsYU5KrlwhqOoYPHR0Gc%3D&reserved=0>

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On May 22, 2020, at 2:00 PM, don--- via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

All,
I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in.

You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may

go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant
metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status.

Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant.

rinse, lather and repeat and head back home.

I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves.

I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever,
we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months.

If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months.

It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious.

Keep the F in FOT,

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From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be  Sat May 23 03:19:54 2020
From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:19:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race)
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Friends of triumph friends, 
It all depends how hard the pandemic will still be active by the time of the Kcup, but no one knows. 
The heavy outbreak of Corona in Italy was caused by some big events in Northern Italy, the ski holydays, the Bergamo football match and a third one I did forget. It is generally accepted that a virus can spread easily where lots of people are together for some time. 
On the other hand, a pandemic can turn down, and mostly does so, before herd immunity is reached. The seasonal influenza epidemic comes and goes without reaching herd immunity of 60%. Unfortunately, this corona virus is much more dangerous than the influenza viruses, not because it is more contagious but you are much better off with a flu than with the covid-19 infection. People die from influenza too, but if that happens it is because of complications like bacterial pneumonie and other surinfections (things that doctors can do something about) but this corona virus is killing people on its own by causing pneumonia, vascular damage and so on and even if you are in hospital (intensive care), all the doctors can do is give support and often the patients die and they can do nothing but watch it. 
Anyway this virus has a big influence on our way of living, we can't deny it and go on as if it would not be there. Organising a big event is very complicated now. 

Marcel 

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Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Let's keep the F in FOT (To Consider Before you Race) 

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California doctors say they've seen more deaths from suicide than coronavirus since lockdowns 


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Just facts. Don?t judge me. That chart shows 2013/2014 numbers. Before Covd-19. This one shows what it can do. Much of late April had days like this... As of yesterday it was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US. Things are trending down right now, but this isn?t over by many means. You can play with the data and make your own mind up. [ https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmur.com%2Farticle%2Fcoronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states%2F32380058&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca8289f6d24414947a94e08d7feacaa4f%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C637257889879490044&sdata=x3yQx1HinFgRUMULGWSRUK6RsYU5KrlwhqOoYPHR0Gc%3D&reserved=0 | https://www.wmur.com/article/coronavirus-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states/32380058 ] 

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I?ve been reading the responses to the pros and cons of the K-Cup in this current Covid world we are in. 

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You want to go racing, I get that, so do I. But keep in mind what you are asking others to do so you may 

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go racing. Dozens of support crew from corner workers, tech inspectors and more will have to travel, most inside a giant 

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metal tube thousands feet in the air for a couple of hours that is packed with others of unknown health status. 

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Then they land and get to ride in a rental car with two or three others to a hotel where they will share a confined space for eight hours or so sucking in the snores of the other occupant. 

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rinse, lather and repeat and head back home. 

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I get that no one is forcing them to go and that each person must make this choice for themselves. 

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I don?t know about the "sky is falling" but casket sales are certainly up this past quarter. Whether or not you think you will get Covid, or you?re not in the high risk group or whatever, 

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we have lost 94,500 souls in the last few months. 

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If you think the numbers are misrepresented then go ahead and chop that number in half? 47, 000 people, in three or four months. 

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It is a real concern and YES, people do die everyday but this is about it being CONTAGIOUS. I.E. You making the choice for others. Being hit by lightning is not contagious. 

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Keep the F in FOT, 

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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat May 23 04:58:31 2020
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 06:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies 
home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old 
tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. 
Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep 
and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white 
car in the background!

Cheers Bill

On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy 
> Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s 
> been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest 
> vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and 
> I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at 
> everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, 
> has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not 
> rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
>
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil 
> every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks 
> all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake 
> lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. 
> ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny 
> bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those 
> if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks 
> need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the 
> local shop.
>
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the 
> engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good 
> non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
>
>
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:06:02 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:06:02 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:18:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 06:19:05 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 07:19:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
In-Reply-To: <1175568959.363.1590235562448@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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#35 is probably Dennis Shea. I bought that car from his widow a while after he passed from a motorcycle accident. My son drove it in 3 Kastner Cups and now it is my vintage racer. 
Bob Kramet

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:26:45 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:26:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat May 23 06:36:31 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:36:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.

As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.

A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.

Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.

Terry Stetler

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From: Bill Tobin via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars


Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill
On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.

So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.

Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?

Having fun in the garage these days!!!

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From grandwazoo at earthlink.net  Sat May 23 06:43:32 2020
From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:43:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?  take 3
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat May 23 06:44:10 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:44:10 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Mike, I was at that race as a spectator.  I drove my TR3 street car down from Bowling Green.

Terry Stetler

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From: Mike Jackson via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:06 AM
To: FOT<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?

FOT -

As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.

You will find attached three things:

  *   Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
  use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2F2mhrjgqwwzrse9n%2FTriumph%2520reunion%25201992%2520numbered.pdf%3Fdl%3D0&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd35318ecf3934a297cd508d7ff11af02%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637258323716599510&sdata=6RQnd%2FS7Q0iazs2NUI9VSza5l7QFQlc2vQZ%2FNhUnON0%3D&reserved=0>  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
  *   The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
  *   A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.

Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat May 23 06:50:33 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:50:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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 There might be an add-on filter available for it.Back in the mid-70s I had a 53 Chevy work pickup with a 216 CI 6 cyl and it had one fitted.Yours may have that engine, BTW it has babbited bearings.I would tend to use 30 straight weight.Glenps- yeah I remember the starter switch too!
 
 
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From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 11:02 pm
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars

Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
Having fun in the garage these days!!!
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From harveykinnard at gmail.com  Sat May 23 07:08:22 2020
From: harveykinnard at gmail.com (Harvey Kinnard)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 08:08:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Great pic. Viewed it on my iPhone, easy please. Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 07:29:39 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 13:29:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions - take two
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Others will know better, but isn?t #10 Sean Alexander? ??
Fun fact: ?my Dad helped Bill Colom with his engine and tuning, I believe. ? I see you already have him named?correctly!
Dave Gott


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On Saturday, May 23, 2020, 8:51 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

<!--#yiv4721964351 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Argh, the list didnt take the scan of the entry list.? So, it's now in Dropbox as well.
Reminder.....you must use the links to get the pic and now the entry list from some 1992 source
The picture? -?https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0
The old list from the event -?https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8f0zm05zif9e7r/Entry%20list%20SVRA%20Mid%20Ohio%201992.jpg?dl=0
My list IS attached.? It's a small Excel file so hopefully it will go thru
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sat May 23 08:11:10 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:11:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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 Although not officially a K-Cup event, I'm sure that we would all agree that Kas was there in spirit; for many of us, he is one of the prime motivators behind us doing what we do.It was truly a spectacular event.Glen #7ps- Mike you look like a kid ha ha!

This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.? But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
 
 
 
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Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 8:06 am
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?

<!--#yiv4409331454 DIV {margin:0px;}-->FOT -
As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.? This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.? But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
You will find attached three things:   
   - Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.? There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!? I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.? I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.? So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.? I'm no Dropbox expert!? But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.? If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.   
? use this link? ? ?https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0? you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.   
   

   - The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.   
   

   - A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.? Clearly not an official SVRA document.? Not sure of the origin.? Also attached
The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.? Hey!? It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.? But, the resolution is pretty good.? If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.? Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.? I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.? Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat May 23 08:28:28 2020
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:28:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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I was also there, as a corner worker. I arrived Thursday afternoon in my
TR6, and was immediately dispatched to a corner. Each day I worked
a different corner. On Sunday, I was at corner 1, which allowed me access
to the track for the TRiumph touring lap. It was a fabulous weekend, and
Peter Egan gave it a big write up in R&T.I still have my copy.

I introduced myself to Joe and Sean Alexander in the paddock. I had just
purchased my TR4 and was beginning the process of converting it to vintage
from SCCA preparation. Their TR4 was super fresh, maybe their first event
in #97?

Good times.

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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat May 23 08:29:27 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 10:29:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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thanks Bill, see you again one of these days.

On May 23, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill
On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
> 
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
> 
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
> 
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
> 
> <IMG_1012.jpg><IMG_1011.jpg>
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From continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 08:52:19 2020
From: continuedlegacy1 at gmail.com (Shawn Frank)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 1992 First of the great TRiumph reunions?
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Mark, may I use this photo and info on www.facebook.com/NorthAmTriumphs and
in The Vintage Triumph Magazine?

I will be covering the Kastner Cup 2020 (spectators or no spectators,
pending government mandates as their date is May 26th) and this would be a
cool introduction/bookend photo with valued info. Photo credit would go to
you, of course.

Shawn Frank
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On Sat, May 23, 2020, 7:06 AM Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> FOT -
>
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in
> 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the
> Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at
> the time.
>
> You will find attached three things:
>
>    - Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just
>    about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so
>    that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able
>    to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I
>    guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get
>    is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to
>    your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the
>    detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the
>    race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>      use this link
>    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0
>    you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
>
>    - The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we
>    think we have right is an attached file.
>
>    - A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his
>    files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.
>    Also attached
>
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's
> about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it
> scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the
> missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help
> correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive,
> much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if
> more than a handful of us still race.
>
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From 6t9gt6 at toast.net  Sat May 23 09:33:22 2020
From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it's members and competitors.  

   

With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.  

   

Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?   

   

I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  "Life is racing, the rest is just waiting." For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.  

   

Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, "you catch more bee's with honey than vinegar"  After all, this post is called "Friends of Triumph". 
  
  
  

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 From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race   
 Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
  
 Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
 On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:   
 Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don't go over and hug folk. I don't visit retirement homes.  if I did, I'd wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
  
 I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad's death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what's going to take us.
  
 A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
  
 Really, look at the numbers.   We can't live in a bubble.
  
 Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
  
 This is not the pandemic where it's so bad every family will be touched and it's ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It's not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
  
 I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your "Russian Roulette with an automatic." was way off base.
  
 And by the way, "While you are getting through Covid with no problems"... you mean like how I'm unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there'd be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
  
 Your scare mongering is going "to be a real bitch when someone we personally love" faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How's it feel to have people's deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn't have gone there.
  
 I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
  
 Never be beaten by a virus!
  
 -Justin
  
  
  
  
  
  
 On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
   Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
  
 Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
 On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:    
   
 I'm sorry Ken, IMHO, you're way off base.
  

"....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves 'low risk'.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic...." 
  
 That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
  
 Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves "low risk" and no, it's not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it's certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
  
 If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
  
 The flu didn't stop vintage racing.

"If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then...."     

That "current rate" is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn't just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.    

And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We're heading into our Summer! 
  
  

  
 Let's all take a reality pill here.  
  

   

You said, "We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. "  

Yes.  So enough with the "russian roulette with an automatic" analogies.   That's gross hyperbole, not science.  

It's a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.  

What's the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What's the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What's the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?  

Yet we all get on with our lives.  

-Justin  

   

  
  
  
  
  
  

On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
 
   

The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?  

   

As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.  

   

Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves 'low risk'.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.  

   

It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve "Herd Immunity" which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.  

   

The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.  

   

If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.  

   

Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.  

   

We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.  

   

Ken 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 10:02:15 2020
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:02:15 -0700
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?That is the race that started it all for me.  My dad and I went to that race because Paul Smock and Bill Burroughs were going to make the cross country trip to be in it.  They chickened out, but we still went.  I remember the group 44 TR8 being really quick.  I also remember seeing Tulius and other group 44 people there with one of their XJS race cars for sale.  I don?t remember any details except they were selling it for $7K.  Hindsight is 20-20!

I bought an SCCA Spitfire after that and the rest, shall we say, is history.

The number 14 car was raced by Ralph Thomas.  That?s the Kastner Brophy Vitesse which I have now.  It will be coming back to Mid-Ohio for the Kastner Cup.

Chuck

>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:06 AM, Mike Jackson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> ?
> FOT -
> 
> As far as I know the first of the great TRiumph reunion races was held in 1992 at Mid-Ohio with SVRA.  This event pre-dated what is now called the Kastner Cup.  But, it was a huge deal in the vintage racing community at the time.
> 
> You will find attached three things:
> Panoramic photo taken in pit lane.  There is a great story just about the camera used to take it!  I have numbered the cars in the photo so that you can help identify the drivers that a few of us have not been able to fill in.  I've tried several times to send this as an attachment but I guess it is too big for the list.  So, it is now on Dropbox and you can get is thru this link.  I'm no Dropbox expert!  But, you can download it to your computer so that you can blow it up and pan thru it and see the detail.  If you write back with a driver ID that I'm missing dont use the race car number, use the little annotations I've added to each car.
>   use this link     https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mhrjgqwwzrse9n/Triumph%20reunion%201992%20numbered.pdf?dl=0  you do NOT need to have a Dropbox account.
> 
> The list in the order of the annotated numbers with the names we think we have right is an attached file.
> 
> A list of possible drivers that Glen Efinger unearthed from his files.  Clearly not an official SVRA document.  Not sure of the origin.  Also attached
> The picture you will need to download and blow up to pan thru.  Hey!  It's about 4 ft long on my wall and I took it to an imaging shop to get it scaned.  But, the resolution is pretty good.  If you can fill in any of the missing names on my list, please do so.  Or, if I have any wrong, help correct it.  I have tried to figure out how many of us are still alive, much less still racing.  Thankfully lots of the former but I'm not sure if more than a handful of us still race.
> 
> Mike Jackson - 62 TR3B #62
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sat May 23 12:49:31 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:49:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Thanks, Terry, really great advice.  As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer.  The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings.  At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right.  Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.

Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it".  After 73 years, however, I?m going to check.  It also  says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?.  I?ll try 90W and see what happens.  You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there.  However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.

Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.

While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots.  Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.  

On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
 
As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.  
 
A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
 
Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
 
Terry Stetler
 
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
 
Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!

As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.

I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!

Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!

Cheers Bill

On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet. 
 
So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
 
Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
 
Having fun in the garage these days!!!
 
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From chasgee22 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 12:58:22 2020
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Hi Scott,

If it is a recirculating ball steering box, this is what a lot of people use for lube when rebuilding.

https://www.amazon.com/John-Deere-Corn-Head-Grease/dp/B00CSBOLL8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=john+deere+corn+head+grease&qid=1590260015&sr=8-1

It?s kind of in between grease and oil in that it stays in contact with the parts that need lube but doesn?t leak past the seals.  Gear oil will probably leak past the seals and grease will ?channel.?  I think that means the moving parts will move the grease out of the way and not allow it to lube properly.

Sounds like a fun project.  Good luck!

Chuck

> On May 23, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks, Terry, really great advice.  As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer.  The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings.  At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right.  Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.
> 
> Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it".  After 73 years, however, I?m going to check.  It also  says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?.  I?ll try 90W and see what happens.  You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there.  However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.
> 
> Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.
> 
> While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots.  Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.  
> 
> On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.  As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil,  and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.  Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.  If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.  Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.  If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
>  
> As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.  Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.  Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.  The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.  The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.  It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.  I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.  It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.  
>  
> A word about those old drum brakes.  If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.  Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.  Really, this is a thing.  I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.  It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
>  
> Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bill Tobin via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!
> 
> As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.
> 
> I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!
> 
> Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!
> 
> Cheers Bill
> 
> On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet. 
>  
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
>  
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>  
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
>  
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From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.

Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.

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> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
>  
>  
> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>  
> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>  
> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>  
> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>  
> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>  
>  
>  
> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>  
> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>  
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>  
> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>  
> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>  
> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>  
> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>  
> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>  
> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>  
> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>  
> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>  
> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>  
> Never be beaten by a virus!
>  
> ?Justin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>  
> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>  
> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
> 
>  
> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>  
> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>  
> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>  
> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
> 
> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
> 
> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
> 
>  
>  
> 
>  
> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>  
> 
>  
> 
> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
> 
> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
> 
> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
> 
> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
> 
> Yet we all get on with our lives.
> 
> ?Justin
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
> 
>  
> 
> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
> 
>  
> 
> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
> 
>  
> 
> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
> 
>  
> 
> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
> 
>  
> 
> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
> 
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From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Sat May 23 18:48:49 2020
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:48:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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I agree, cornhead grease (?cornhead? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.??I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Duncan
On May 23, 2020, 3:04 PM -0400, Chuck Gee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>, wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> If it is a recirculating ball steering box, this is what a lot of people use for lube when rebuilding.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/John-Deere-Corn-Head-Grease/dp/B00CSBOLL8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=john+deere+corn+head+grease&qid=1590260015&sr=8-1
>
> It?s kind of in between grease and oil in that it stays in contact with the parts that need lube but doesn?t leak past the seals. ?Gear oil will probably leak past the seals and grease will ?channel.? ?I think that means the moving parts will move the grease out of the way and not allow it to lube properly.
>
> Sounds like a fun project. ?Good luck!
>
> Chuck
>
> > On May 23, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Terry, really great advice. ?As many of you pointed out, I had the oil weights reversed winter and summer, so summer, 30w, winter 20w, though the manual says I can probably continue using 20W all summer. ?The oiling system is definitely splash at low speeds, with ?dippers? attached to each connecting rod big end that scoop up some oil and direct it at the rod bearings. ?At higher speeds, there?s a pipe and nozzles off the oil galley that aim oil at the dippers to increase the flow - the manual has directions on aiming the nozzles and apparently there?s a special ?target? jig where one can adjust the nozzles to hit the target, with dire consequences if they aren?t aimed right. ?Of course, the oil gauge only goes from 0-30 psi, so we have a low pressure system here.
> >
> > Steering - I re-read the paragraph and it starts with ?this is filled at the factory with a special all season gear lube and, to paraphrase ?you shouldn?t need to mess with it". ?After 73 years, however, I?m going to check. ?It also ?says ?use a lube that will not ?channel? at low temps or cause ?hard steering?. ?I?ll try 90W and see what happens. ?You are correct about pulling the steering box - the directions start with ?remove the steering wheel? and go on from there. ?However, steering is quite loose and there are three separate lash adjustments, according to the manual, so it?s probably best done on a bench.
> >
> > Brakes - the wheel and master cylinders were surprisingly good, so I got rebuild kits, which look to be USA made.
> >
> > While I?m boring you guys and gals with all this non-Triumph stuff, the manual has four pages on cleaning the upholstery, including categories for battery acids, blood, candy, chewing gum, paint and lacquer, fruits, grease and oil, ice cream, writing ink, iron rust, lipstick, tar and water spots. ?Solvents for cleaning include benzene, ether, sodium bifluoride ( I always have that around), carbon tetrachloride, and ammonia.
> >
> > On May 23, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > If I may, I have lots of time under the hood of vehicles of this vintage.? As new it probably did not use detergent motor oil, ?and a straight 30 in summer would be the correct grade.? Over time there is no way to know what was dumped in that crankcase, so a non detergent oil would be a safe bet.? If the car came with service records it may shed some light on things. Also, do remember that the rods are splash oiled on a Chevy six of that era, so drive her gently.? Full pressure oiling did not happen till 1953 or 1954 ish.? If you ever have the engine rebuilt, then a good modern multi grade oil, with high levels of ZDDP, is the way to go, just like our racing TRs.
> >
> > As to the gear box, diff, and steering box.? Any good non synthetic gear lube of the appropriate grade will be just fine.? Most modern gear oils are 85w90, and that?s OK.? The steering box is always an issue as usually, if they are original, they are pretty much guaranteed to leak around every place they can leak, and hence will not hold liquid lubes for long, without a rebuild.? The ?All Purpose? thing is curious.? It?s possible that they either mean gear oil or grease.? I know one of the ?work arounds? that old timers, and some not so old timers use on early Fords if the box wont hold gear lube, is to pack it with wheel bearing grease.? It?s still a frequent practice, as getting the steering gear out of these older machines is fiddly at best and downright difficult in most cases.
> >
> > A word about those old drum brakes.? If you have a really good brake shop near you, make sure to have the drums trued and have the new shoes arced (matched) to the drums. This will save many headaches in getting the thing to stop without pulling you into the ditch or oncoming traffic.? Also on the subject of brakes, if you are going to put in new wheel cylinders, no matter who you get them from, they all come from China, disassemble them and make sure that the seals are proper lubed with a brake assembly lube, and make sure that the hydraulic line port and the bleeder port are actually drilled all the way through.? Really, this is a thing.? I have had several wheel cylinders from big name ?reputable? manufacturers that have not had the ports properly drilled through the casting, or had the bleeder screw seating surface not be concentric with the threads for the screw.? It?s much easier to check them first, than after you have them on the car and all the shoes/linkages attached.
> >
> > Have fun with her, I love the 40?s domestic cars a lot.
> >
> > Terry Stetler
> >
> > Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10
> >
> > From:?Bill Tobin via Fot
> > Sent:?Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:47 AM
> > To:?fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject:?Re: [Fot] Old Cars
> >
> > Great car. a friend has one similar; it's taken 3 generations of babies home from the maternity hospital!
> > As for oil: something this old may require non detergent oil. My old tractors use it. I'm not sure when multi grade detergent oils came out. Probably one of our bunch would know. Or I can contact a local oil rep and find out.
> > I'd probably stick with 30w in the summer. And park it in the winter!
> > Great car. Enjoy it. And bear in mind: it won't handle like the white car in the background!
> > Cheers Bill
> > On 5/22/2020 11:02 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> > > Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been sitting in the owner?s garage until now). ?It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on it. ?It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything. ?Plus, this came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life, and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty. ?Garaged all its life. ?I haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
> > >
> > > So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual). ?Lever shocks all around. ?Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights), manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button. ?Front wheel bearings are ball bearings!!!. ?4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25 mph). ?Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
> > >
> > > Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine, 30 in the winter. ?Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> > > Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for. ?What?s a good non-synthetic? ?Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
> > >
> > > Having fun in the garage these days!!!
> > >
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat May 23 19:33:11 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:33:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking 
> harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid 
> grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.??I had a Morgan 
> steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease 
> (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any 
> agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering 
boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement 
from oil leaking out of the swivels.

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From 6t9gt6 at toast.net  Sun May 24 00:34:54 2020
From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 02:34:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
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I hope this post reaches its intended readership.   

   

As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it's members and competitors.  

   

With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.  

   

Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?   

   

I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  "Life is racing, the rest is just waiting." For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.  

   

Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, "you catch more bee's with sugar than vinegar."  After all, this post site is called "Friends of Triumph".  

   

   

   

   

   

    

  
  
  

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From steve at artwithcars.com  Sun May 24 00:43:24 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 23:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
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Ask your doctor if there?s a right or wrong answer 

~Steve


> On May 23, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I hope this post reaches its intended readership. 
>  
> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>  
> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>  
> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>  
> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>  
> Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with sugar than vinegar.?  After all, this post site is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sun May 24 05:12:54 2020
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:12:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones
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Extremely well said, and prudent.
Thank you



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone



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From: Steven Belfer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Date: 5/24/20 1:43 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 6t9gt6 at toast.net
Cc: "<fot at autox.team.net>" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Point of view-Stephen Jones

Ask your doctor if there?s a right or wrong answer

~Steve


On May 23, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

?

I hope this post reaches its intended readership.



As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.



With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.



Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment.I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer. SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me?



I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.



Lastly, this has been is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of apoplectic rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with sugar than vinegar.?  After all, this post site is called ?Friends of Triumph?.

















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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun May 24 05:51:23 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:51:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <1a212c5f-c726-b61a-2370-8dc3142734f2@gmail.com>
References: <75DFEE2A-3448-463D-BBD8-E6777F252F22@me.com>
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Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.

Terry Stetler

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From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.

TeriAnn

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From rkramer56 at gmail.com  Sun May 24 07:15:02 2020
From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 08:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR05MB680893F0D5031029F0AE46D6C3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>  
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From chip at theukmotorsports.com  Sun May 24 07:21:15 2020
From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 09:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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References: <FC1C7482-7D31-4883-99AE-B96FBF2E66B3@me.com>
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Congratulations Scott,

That is an outstanding score. I'm sure you'll hear from Dean...he has some
amazing old American iron that he sports around in. Have fun,
Chip

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 11:21 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Ok, so this is not a Triumph story, but I recently got a 1947 Chevy
> Fleetmaster in my garage (which means I bought it a year ago, but it?s been
> sitting in the owner?s garage until now).  It?s the oldest vehicle I?ve
> ever owned, by two years (had a ?49 ford pickup once) and I love working on
> it.  It?s so simple, and plenty of space to get at everything.  Plus, this
> came from the family of the original owner, has been garaged all its life,
> and while far from pristine, it?s not rusty.  Garaged all its life.  I
> haven?t stripped or sheered a bolt yet.
>
> So, the highlights - the engine has no oil filter. Just change the oil
> every 2000 miles, more on dirt roads (says the manual).  Lever shocks all
> around.  Vacuum wipers, no turn signals (not sure about brake lights),
> manually engaged starter solenoid through a floor button.  Front wheel
> bearings are ball bearings!!!.  4.5?x16? wheels, skinny bias plies (with a
> date code of 1984, definitely due to replace those if I ever go over 25
> mph).  Right now the brakes are apart, shocks need to go to White Post for
> a rebuild, gas tank and radiator at the local shop.
>
> Here?s a question - the manual calls for straight 20w oil for the engine,
> 30 in the winter.  Should I run 20w, or 10-30?
> Gear oils - straight 90W is what?s called for.  What?s a good
> non-synthetic?  Steering gear calls for ?All Purpose? lubricant - WTH?
>
> Having fun in the garage these days!!!
>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sun May 24 07:34:06 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 13:34:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
In-Reply-To: <46C500B1-3827-49BC-A743-93A426672254@gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR05MB680893F0D5031029F0AE46D6C3B20@CH2PR05MB6808.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
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Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.

Terry Stetler

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From: Bob Kramer<mailto:rkramer56 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
To: Terry Stetler<mailto:tlizzard at msn.com>
Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman<mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>; fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions.
Sent from my iPhone


On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
?
Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.

Terry Stetler

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From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.

Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.

TeriAnn

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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 24 08:44:50 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:44:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Has anyone tried it in the U-joint housing of the Ford Or Chevy torque tube driveline cars and light trucks? It would eventually get diluted with SAE 90 gear oil....  getting proper lube into that joint always worries me. 
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bob Kramer
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
> To: Terry Stetler
> Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>  
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From vfracing at aol.com  Sun May 24 08:44:50 2020
From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:44:50 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Has anyone tried it in the U-joint housing of the Ford Or Chevy torque tube driveline cars and light trucks? It would eventually get diluted with SAE 90 gear oil....  getting proper lube into that joint always worries me. 
Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Also Big Healey and XK whatever series Jag idler arm pivots as well.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bob Kramer
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:15 AM
> To: Terry Stetler
> Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> Sounds like a good solution for those leaking TR trunnions. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Corn Head Grease.  Who?d a thunk it?  Learn something new every day here.  Thanks folks.
>  
> Terry Stetler
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:36 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
>  
> On 5/23/20 5:48 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot wrote:
> I agree, cornhead grease (???cornhead??? is that scary-looking harvesting mechanism on the front of a combine), a.k.a. semi liquid grease or self-leveling grease, is the thing to use.  I had a Morgan steering box that constantly dripped and the self-leveling grease (which you ought to be able to buy at Tractor Supply Company or any agricultural equipment supplier) took care of that.
> Land Rover Discovery swivel hub grease is perfect for old steering boxes. It was developed by LR to eliminate warranty seal replacement from oil leaking out of the swivels.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>  
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Sun May 24 13:29:44 2020
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:29:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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As a pulmonary Critical Care physician-?? I have taken care of pstients with Sars/Covid 19 syndromes. ?
23 y/o to 78 y/o. ?

? We have a special negative ?pressure ward to isolate these folks.?? Interesting to note that in past two weeks ?there has been a dramatic increase at our facility. ?Go figure. Just when we were feeling that we should ?open? up .?
Its more than just ?pneumonia?.?
Yes,?we have access to?medications but, they are not easy to get. ?
If you live on a farm / open country without comingling with others your risk is low. ?
Internet is full of?Risk assesment strategies but,??ask your Physician.?
Mordy?
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Sun May 24 13:51:57 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:51:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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 Succinct and point well made, thanks for posting it MordyThis is a dynamic situation...Glen
 
 
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject)

As a pulmonary Critical Care physician-?? I have taken care of pstients with Sars/Covid 19 syndromes. ?
23 y/o to 78 y/o. ?

? We have a special negative ?pressure ward to isolate these folks.?? Interesting to note that in past two weeks ?there has been a dramatic increase at our facility. ?Go figure. Just when we were feeling that we should ?open? up .?
Its more than just ?pneumonia?.?
Yes,?we have access to?medications but, they are not easy to get. ?
If you live on a farm / open country without comingling with others your risk is low. ?
Internet is full of?Risk assesment strategies but,??ask your Physician.?
Mordy?
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sun May 24 14:22:05 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 15:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From sjanzen at me.com  Sun May 24 16:28:47 2020
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Very cool. Love the disc wheels. I?d like a model t roadster some day. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.
> 
> I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
>  - Larry Young
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From billdentin at aol.com  Sun May 24 16:40:41 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 22:40:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 ?- Larry Young
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun May 24 16:41:49 2020
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:41:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup
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From: Robert Johns 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 6:22 PM
To: FOT team ; Robert Johns 
Subject: FW: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Johns
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:10 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Scott Janzen's article about his 1947 Cheve Pickup

 

My father had a 1947 Cheve pickup that was his daily driver and I could us it any time I wanted to. You say, what has that got to do with sports cars?   Well I will tell you.  I was planning to go to the races at Watkins Glen in 1952 and planned to sleep overnight before the race. As I had been to the race in 1951 and wanted to do things different this time.  I scouted up some metal rods from the oil field, that we lived in, and bent them into hoops to make a covered wagon top on the Cheve.  So off my buddy and I went off to the race.  You race historians will remember that the race in 1952 was the last race through town and the race was stopped after a child was hit and killed on Main Street.  So the sleeping facility worked well but the race viewing turned out to be a bust.    

 

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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Sun May 24 17:05:33 2020
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Bob Johns)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:05:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
Message-ID: <B76E099A8E2C428F854D281B0E81BC84@DESKTOPF2062B6>

Someone was wondering when detergent oils were initiated.  I grew up right down the street from the Kendall Refinery, and the addition of detergents was a big deal.  The detergents addition to old curded engines was a problem as the curd could-would break loose and plug up the oil pump screen.  Any way, as I remember the switch over was 1951/1952 period.  It is hard to find non-detergent these days in the better grades of oil. 
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun May 24 17:59:20 2020
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 17:59:20 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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On 5/24/2020 5:05 PM, Bob Johns via Fot wrote:
> Someone was wondering when detergent oils were initiated.? I grew up 
> right down the street from the Kendall Refinery, and the addition of 
> detergents was a big deal. The detergents addition to old curded 
> engines was a problem as the curd could-would break loose and plug up 
> the oil pump screen.? Any way, as I remember the switch over was 
> 1951/1952 period.? It is hard to find non-detergent these days in the 
> better grades of oil.


The problem was not just plugging up oil screens.? Engines of the time 
used babbitted bearings, which were sealed in place with paraffin-soaked 
wicking and similar materials that became carbonized as the hot metal 
was poured.? Detergents dislodged all that carbonized material and, 
oops!, what little oil pressure such engines had went away.

Detergents were introduced when manufacturers upgraded to shell bearings 
(which were greatly refined during the war years in aircraft engines).? 
Detergents tended to keep particles suspended in the oil, which 
minimized the chance of them becoming embedded in shell bearings, which 
was not so much a problem with babbitt metal.? The tin in babbitt metal 
was soft enough (and thick enough) for them to get pounded down so they 
didn't stick up much from the surface, thus minimizing the damage to 
often unhardened crankshafts.? The layer of soft metal in shell bearings 
is very thin, so the prospect of something getting stuck in them and 
being available to wear the crank required rethinking the oils used.

I suspect that the changeover to detergents was accompanied by the same 
sorts of problems that the changeover to synthetics presented.? If the 
engine is designed for the new oils, no problem.? If it wasn't, well, 
/caveat emptor /(my father, IIRC, blew up two engines in his `46 
Plymouth in the space of eight months around the time detergents became 
available).? In the late `70s, I remember reading some horror stories 
about engines converted to full synthetics that burned bearings because 
the synthetics ran out of the bearings a lot more quickly, with an 
attendant loss of oil pressure.? Around the same time, I worked with a 
guy who raced snowmobiles along with his brother.? He thought he'd try 
Mobil1, thinking he'd get another horsepower or so.? First time out, 
burned a bearing.? But, his engine had some hours on it, so they tried 
it in his brother's sled the next weekend, which had a fresh engine.? 
Burned a bearing.? Engines designed for the stuff ultimately had tighter 
clearances and higher-volume pumps.? Still remember some nitwit Navy 
lieutenant screaming at me that "jet engines used synthetics," so why 
couldn't he use it in his Toyota Celica (this after complaining about 
noisy operation only after he converted to Arco Graphite, which at the 
time was something like 0W-15... in Florida, in the summertime--its hot 
viscosity was less than water).? Trying patiently to explain that it's 
fine if it's designed for that oil and pointing to the owner's manual 
just didn't work....


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 18:46:53 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.

(It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)

Dusty Nicholson 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
> 
> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>>  
>>  
>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>  
>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>  
>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>  
>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>  
>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>  
>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>  
>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>  
>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>  
>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>  
>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>  
>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>  
>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>  
>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>  
>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>  
>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>  
>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>  
>> ?Justin
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>  
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>>  
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>  
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>  
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>  
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
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From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 18:46:53 2020
From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.

(It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)

Dusty Nicholson 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
> 
> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>>  
>>  
>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>  
>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>  
>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>  
>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>  
>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>  
>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>  
>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>  
>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>  
>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>  
>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>  
>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>  
>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>  
>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>  
>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>  
>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>  
>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>  
>> ?Justin
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>  
>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>  
>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>> 
>>  
>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>  
>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>  
>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>  
>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>> 
>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>> 
>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>> 
>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>> 
>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>> 
>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>> 
>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>> 
>> ?Justin
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun May 24 19:25:14 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:25:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
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I third that request.  Thanks.
Dave H.  

Sent from my iPad

> On May 24, 2020, at 5:46 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.
> 
> (It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t have this problem)
> 
> Dusty Nicholson 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 23, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Not responding to this email but questioning if people know that some of these posts come from the fot at autox.team.net and unless you sign your name we don?t know who is writing.
>> 
>> Maybe others get the individual email address, but I don?t.
>> 
>> Bob Kramer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Stephen Jones via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> As a member of SVRA for just four years, and minimal events participated in, perhaps I am not the most qualified to critique the issue of whether or not to be racing during this unsettling period. My racing involvement spans four decades with many organizations, and my experiences with SVRA has been exceptional from everyone I have had the pleasure to be in contact with. SVRA prescribes meticulous directives and protocol to provide maximum safety for it?s members and competitors.
>>>  
>>> With a few exceptions, racing is basically a money losing proposition for most of us. Whether your pockets are deep, or you need to exercise prudence over financial resources, racing is a luxury. it is not an essential activity of well being. It provides no homeostatic need other than to actualize a passion, which, I will agree, does keep many of us sane.
>>>  
>>> Now, unfortunately, each of us needs to make their own decision on whether to continue this pleasure under the guise of something that could potentially make one terminally ill or be a catalyst to others. I do not wish to engage in a dialogue of opinion and personal discernment .I do not believe there is a right or wrong answer, SVRA has taken extraordinary actions to assure personal safety, and I applaud their endeavor. Yet, I have to ask myself, is the risk worth the reward for me? 
>>>  
>>> I have looked forward to participating in the Mid-Ohio/Kastner event, for the past several months, particularly since racing at Mid-Ohio has been on my bucket list for over 40 years. Regretfully, I have made the decision to suspend further participation until the current health situation has some positive resolve. To quote Steve McQeen  ?Life is racing, the rest is just waiting.? For myself, it is time to wait. I hope the wait is not too long.
>>>  
>>> Lastly, this is a passionate debate, and there appears to be an atmosphere of rancor among a few of the postings. May I suggest that before one presses the send button, that they wait overnight and carefully re-read what has been written. We can disagree, but a little civility might be exercised.  Zeal and anger can be a volatile combination. As grandma said, ?you catch more bee?s with honey than vinegar?  After all, this post is called ?Friends of Triumph?.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: "Ken Knight via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:56 PM
>>> To: "J Wagner via Fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] To Consider Before you Race
>>>  
>>> Well then all is going to just fine and you this will magically go away.  Good luck.
>>>  
>>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>>> On May 22, 2020 2:44 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Guess what Ken, I give everyone social distance.  I wear a mask when requested by the business.  I don?t go over and hug folk. I don?t visit retirement homes.  if I did, I?d wash up, wear a mask, and social distance as required.  
>>>  
>>> I recall a friend died of a bacteria around his heart many years ago, shortly after my dad?s death.  The doctors said this particular bug likely came from his garden.  In the years since, did I stop gardening?  Did I lay awake at night thinking about what I might pick up in my garden and share with family and friends?  Dad, on the other hand, had a heart attack after a day of skiing.  You never know what?s going to take us.
>>>  
>>> A best friend from high school died of pneumonia late last year as he tried to sleep off, alone, what he thought was a cold.   Age 57.
>>>  
>>> Really, look at the numbers.   We can?t live in a bubble.
>>>  
>>> Every year, it seems, someone I personally knew has died, long before Covid-19 came along, and, no doubt, it will continue long after.  So far, none have passed from Covid-19 that I personally knew, but It could happen.  Maybe it will be the guy in my mirror.  
>>>  
>>> This is not the pandemic where it?s so bad every family will be touched and it?s ok to leave leave bodies at the curb for pick up.  It?s not playing russian roulette to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
>>>  
>>> I beg you to not let the early predictions of this virus to lead you to not even admit your ?Russian Roulette with an automatic.? was way off base.
>>>  
>>> And by the way, ?While you are getting through Covid with no problems?... you mean like how I?m unemployed with no prospects because what was supposed to be a short term chance to get our hospitals and emergency services prepared, so there?d be enough beds, masks, and ventilators has gone on well beyond the need?   
>>>  
>>> Your scare mongering is going ?to be a real bitch when someone we personally love? faces financial ruin, commits suicide, is victimized by predators, etc.  because of the lockdown.  How?s it feel to have people?s deaths laid on you like that?  I wouldn?t have gone there.
>>>  
>>> I believe you remain way off base, but we can agree to disagree.   I only posted a response because I felt compelled to respond so that FOT members have a balance.  
>>>  
>>> Never be beaten by a virus!
>>>  
>>> ?Justin
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Well Justin you go for it and good luck to you.  While you are getting through Covid with no problems let's just hope you are not one of the 35 % that doesn't know it and spread it to someone you care about.  That herd immunity is going to be a real bitch to achieve and means someone we personally love will be dead.  Ken
>>>  
>>> Sent?from?my?Verizon?Smartphone
>>> On May 22, 2020 1:08 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I?m sorry Ken, IMHO, you?re way off base.
>>>  
>>> ?....Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic....?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> That describes the Covid-19 that the early models were describing, but those models were wrong and have been discredited. 
>>>  
>>> Yes, in fact, some people can consider themselves ?low risk? and no, it?s not like playing Russian Roulette at all.  And it?s certainly not like playing it with an automatic.
>>>  
>>> If one is elderly, particularly those with underlying issues, sure, they should play it safe.  And anyone with an underlying issue should weigh the risks and watch out for themselves.  The rest need to get on with their lives.  
>>>  
>>> The flu didn?t stop vintage racing.
>>> ?If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then....?   
>>> 
>>> That ?current rate? is not sustainable so your supposition is not based in reality.  The curve doesn?t just happen in a day when we cross a threshold, it happens slowly as we reach herd immunity.  
>>> 
>>> And weather is proving to be significant as the southern hemisphere faces their fall and numbers are rising there.  We?re heading into our Summer!
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Let?s all take a reality pill here.  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> You said, ?We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen. ?
>>> 
>>> Yes.  So enough with the ?russian roulette with an automatic? analogies.   That?s gross hyperbole, not science.
>>> 
>>> It?s a bad bug, but we go on with life, just as we always have with the various threats that face us every day.
>>> 
>>> What?s the stats for race car drivers getting hurt or killed?   What?s the stats of sports fans being hit by lightening?  What?s the stats on dying from pneumonia?  Car accidents?  Going to an ATM late at night?
>>> 
>>> Yet we all get on with our lives.
>>> 
>>> ?Justin
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On May 22, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Kenneth Knight via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> The CDC just announced today that 35% of Covid cases are asymptomatic.  It appears you can spread Covid 19 and not know you are sick.  What if you are one of those folks that then go home an give it to your family?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> As of today there 1.61 million cases in the US with deaths at 95,213 or a death rate 5.9%.  Over this weekend we will pass 100,000 dead.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Covid is killing people in all age groups, no one should consider themselves ?low risk?.  This virus is like playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> It is clear that the US national strategy is to open up and either get a vaccine in 18-24 months or achieve ?Herd Immunity? which requires some 60-70% of the population to have lived through being sick in order to develop antibodies against the virus.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The numbers needed to get to Herd Immunity roughly require 200,000,000 Americans to have had the virus.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If people die at the current rate of 5.9% then some ?11,000,000 people would perish in getting to Herd Immunity.  Even if better treatments and the demise of very high risk people cut the death rate to just 1%, we would see some 2,000,000 people die of Covid.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Someone once said that if wishing were so, pigs could fly.  You can cross your fingers this going to get better in June in the Midwest but all the indications are quite the opposite.  We opened the country in mid May to varying degrees (not right or wrong, just fact) and infection rate numbers and death rates are likely to significantly rise in June.  It takes a couple of weeks before people start showing up sick at their locale hospitals.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We are all big boys and girls and we get to make our own decisions.  I think this decision should be made on sound medical science and fact, not what we would like to have happen.   I have a couple of good doctor friends, until they are willing to go back racing after what they are seeing in their hospitals, I will not return to the track as much as I want to.  I wish all the very best of luck.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>> 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 24 21:00:06 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:00:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] User names
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On 5/24/20 6:46 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote:
> YES!!! I also have no idea who emails to this list if they don?t sign 
> their name. It would be so nice if we knew who you were.
>
> (It?s just a phone mail app issue for me, computer mail app doesn?t 
> have this problem)
>
> Dusty Nicholson


If the software on your computer behaves differently than the software 
on your phone there isn't anything I can do about it on my end.

mjb.




From mark at bradakis.com  Sun May 24 21:11:36 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] User names
In-Reply-To: <de34915a-20da-5ecb-b381-db24a4df4534@bradakis.com>
References: <28BD097F-8D6D-4262-8C66-B67C3198E00F@gmail.com>
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Actually maybe there is something I can tweak on this end, involving 
DMARC header munging.? And chances are you won't know what that means, 
don't worry, no need to sweat those details.

But I need to get to work now, more on this tomorrow.

mjb.




From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon May 25 08:18:38 2020
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 09:18:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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Yes, I was wondering if anyone would know what that bicycle pump does. - 
Larry

On 5/24/2020 5:40 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote:
> Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
>
> Bill Dentinger
>



From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon May 25 08:51:25 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:51:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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 Ah the manual fuel pump!Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring.He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros.Both with the handle on the left.We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both.The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun!Glen Efinger

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
Bill Dentinger

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com
 On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I 
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 ?- Larry Young
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon May 25 10:45:59 2020
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 16:45:59 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?  Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.
Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels.

Terry Stetler

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

Ah the manual fuel pump!
Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring.
He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros.
Both with the handle on the left.
We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both.
The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun!
Glen Efinger




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars
Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?

Bill Dentinger

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On Sunday, May 24, 2020, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:

My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?).
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling,
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication.
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards).
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time.
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
 - Larry Young

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From fubog1 at aol.com  Mon May 25 11:14:36 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 17:14:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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References: <1274162210.694466.1590360041252.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

#yiv1482693213 #yiv1482693213 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv1482693213 #yiv1482693213 p.yiv1482693213MsoNormal, #yiv1482693213 li.yiv1482693213MsoNormal, #yiv1482693213 div.yiv1482693213MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1482693213 a:link, #yiv1482693213 span.yiv1482693213MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1482693213 .yiv1482693213MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {}#yiv1482693213 div.yiv1482693213WordSection1 {}#yiv1482693213 Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?? Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon May 25 12:14:49 2020
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 20:14:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Old Cars
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The pump pressurize the tank to force the fuel to the carburetors.
This pump is operated by the codriver.

Cheers
Chris


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von Larry Young
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Mai 2020 16:19
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Old Cars

Yes, I was wondering if anyone would know what that bicycle pump does. -
Larry

On 5/24/2020 5:40 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote:
> Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?
>
> Bill Dentinger
>

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From triumphsix at yahoo.com  Tue May 26 05:33:43 2020
From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:33:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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Well last year my brother in law?s boat developed a fuel problem, and I came to realize pressurizing the tank manually got us back home. ? My trumpet lungs came in handy! ?Too bad there wasn?t a pump handy! ??
(Priming bulb didn?t work as turns out the leak was in the tank fitting)


Dave Gott


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On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 2:10 AM, fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> wrote:

 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From fubog1 at aol.com  Tue May 26 05:51:16 2020
From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:51:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars
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 Classic!No further comment, I'm gonna leave that one alone...Glen Efinger
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Gott <triumphsix at yahoo.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; tlizzard at msn.com <tlizzard at msn.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 26, 2020 7:33 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

Well last year my brother in law?s boat developed a fuel problem, and I came to realize pressurizing the tank manually got us back home. ? My trumpet lungs came in handy! ?Too bad there wasn?t a pump handy! ??
(Priming bulb didn?t work as turns out the leak was in the tank fitting)


Dave Gott


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On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 2:10 AM, fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com> wrote:
 Yep pressurized tank.Glen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Stetler <tlizzard at msn.com>
To: fubog1 <fubog1 at aol.com>; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 12:45 pm
Subject: RE: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars

#yiv6672880800 -- filtered {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 p.yiv6672880800MsoNormal, #yiv6672880800 li.yiv6672880800MsoNormal, #yiv6672880800 div.yiv6672880800MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6672880800 a:link, #yiv6672880800 span.yiv6672880800MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6672880800 .yiv6672880800MsoChpDefault {}#yiv6672880800 filtered {}#yiv6672880800 div.yiv6672880800WordSection1 {}#yiv6672880800 Air pump to pressurize the fuel tank?? Very common in the olden days. Also the way it was done in WW1 aircraft, though they had a tiny air pump driven by the slipstream of the aircraft via a little propeller, and often there was also a gravity feed tank , and, a rubber bulb in the cockpit to manually build up pressure for starting.Nothing like having a fuel/air bomb right behind your seat to raise the adrenalin levels. ? Terry Stetler ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: fubog1
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old (RACE) Cars ? Ah the manual fuel pump! Some years back a buddy was trying to figure out how to get both of his race cars to a dirt-track event @ Zephyrhills Fla, not far from Sebring. He had a big Indy car w/a GMC 6, and a midget w/V-8 60, real cars, not modern repros. Both with the handle on the left. We fixed that problem real easy, I hauled one over in exchange for seat time in both. The big car was a handful but the Midget was almost way too much fun! Glen Efinger  ?  ?  ?  ? -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Old Cars Is that a manual fuel pump mounted outside (driver's left)?  ? Bill Dentinger  ? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com  ? On?Sunday, May 24, 2020,?Larry Young via Fot?<fot at autox.team.net>?wrote:  ? 
My dad was a Ford guy. He tried to brainwash me on Fords too, but I
rebelled and got a TR250 rather than a Mustang (good move right?). 
Anyway, he had a 1926 Model T which he got when I was about 8 years old 
and I inherited it when he stopped driving. I naturally gravitated to 
the performance end of the Model T hobby. Most people our age think 
sports cars and hotrodding started after WWII, but the same thing 
happened when the doughboys came back fror WWI. They wanted cars like 
they had seen in Europe. The Model T was the natural platform, since 
they were so abundant. I call my other one my "Poor Man's Bugatti" (see 
photo). It was built in 1922 on a junked 1914 roadster chassis. It was 
fitted with a mail order boattail body. It has several performance 
upgrades which were available in the period, e.g. full pressure oiling, 
RAJO overhead valve conversion, 2 speed rear axle (also a J-type 
overdrive not available in '22). I plan to build another speedster. I've 
got another speedster body and a Model T motor with a SOC head. There 
were a lot of speed parts available for those cars.

I wouldn't put to much weight on what the manual says for lubrication. 
Most lubricants today are better than anything available then. I run 
straight 30w or 10w-30 in the '26 which is still running with splash 
oiling. You want the oil to be fairly thin to get into the bearings. The 
Model T manual calls for 600w oil in the rearend, but there is some 
debate about how oils were designated back then (before SAE standards). 
I use the same Sta-lube GL4 90w that I use in my Triumph. Penrite makes 
a heavy steering box lube that I use in one car. I don't know how it 
compares to cornhead grease. I am surprised about how slow GM was to 
adopt more modern technology. Ford went to tapered roller wheel bearings 
around 1920 and pressure oiling about 1932. They got away from babbitted 
bearing in 1936 and started using oil filters about the same time. 
However, it was a bypass system, not full flow oil filtration. It is all 
eventually filtered (after it flow around enough times).
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From dennis at motorsportranch.com  Tue May 26 10:43:47 2020
From: dennis at motorsportranch.com (Dennis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 11:43:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
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Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?  I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?  Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue May 26 10:45:19 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 09:45:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
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From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News

 

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CSRG's "Contact Patch" 

 

	

 


Greetings! 

 

	



 

David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12

 

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Nine Frequently Asked Questions 

 

1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.

 

2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No

 

3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.

 

4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.

 

5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.

 

6) Are spectators allowed?: No

 

7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.

 

8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled

 

9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg

 

We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every 

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful, 

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your 

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.

 

We hope everything comes together 

& we can hold a safe, fun event. 

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Helmets for 2020

 


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There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year. 

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept. 

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.

 

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Mentoring

 

Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

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2020 CSRG Race Schedule

 


Spring Races at Thunderhill 

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled


David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12


17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4


Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1

 

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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.

 

Driver Conduct

 

(A compilation of the most common infractions)

*	If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

*	If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

*	When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

*	Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

*	Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

*	The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook) 

*	If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

*	If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

*	If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately. 

*	Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

*	Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

Click here to see a larger, printable version:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvpQwy5bcqjzvDdm_TbXW0bIm8LO7rrBB4ql60zmdXtZ19XInNdMGP8VD2NUyEmj9sTaNcCO4m0-EiYMAMr3zFkpXhjFkjGJvR3xnChj1m9X11XZ5ayjWTE8BYWSykgZJxnbPpSYBEpaJcUlcCCyWuM4HF0ytX0ZtdzsxpzE9mb9xw942sjSygxpvbOieWanoQnDnaX-cThdx&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Driver Conduct 

 

If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvpQwy5bcqjzvoH5M9zlDjqLZMUvSf9UKRFocmOoTed1NKOFSuMNN0fRwHXULH-p-IMiWvcyT_8u9vts0fBoNY5G15jd3i5clIBCsADLLCrm5PDiH2j-Z0Rzupk9hNSWxGpNrDv4p3owC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> http://bit.ly/CSRG_driver_handbook

 

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Digital Links

 

There are a lot of CSRG related videos on YouTube, but did you know that CSRG also has a YouTube Channel? Click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avk_mYB1HIxZ1ARqqrFTGba-t8968Niepb6iolhDs4MCy5fodOZNrLVDbPoD2qAolSCwEq8ywSvV-WsxxcqK8y3Hz-7n66M1h9e3FgROKlvSgW38c4ltIy4vRbro0HeRbuaAPmpDzxC5GrnbXol1liXwXXTt8floam1zkszo-Xpfr4eGKKLyn1rs=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Videos

 

Did you know that CSRG has not only a club website ( <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuZmtnB7JWKjVSurggigPMpMED7Fwd0wXtWDwGt0ENNjwrgbgEBT8DWU3ic9pakSp_zdqRCWHhdWzsNbxAKXnIXamQu13dFKW96RB4oLxB_WIbswsVMxiOjXr3K2C5doFQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.csrgracing.org) but also:

 

David Love Vintage Races Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvlPB5a_7Xrq32IcIV8NlS5jAbiFMse5cGKtEXnEcnaGb8JkZUNBfMXYG4USeRv0yNPS7lAv8jOQ6nJ58J3ginioALyCmCpqGGIOndpMdVqYinM10qPoZ1Sgw2QSFMa1eNoOxcrS8n5Xv&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> DLVR

 

Charity Challenge Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrD7LPyYXVCidoAKFxpBuapiXrG03NfYM9aK9d3WURfXXt1Zj3PLCbJAcM9ZYLgHZOuJ0CDIDDDTMdbe7hoJJowVpUTioYItetpO_1dNUmA0JfnOO6CZCDWxMl-oMg3udw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CC

 

Crossflow Cup Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvoKTL7_h3taifD7wlh96GbHVthQ9wX8y4MWK0v9tOnvyzqq9qMvr9YTEUewL4ZWSMNH3TNtvsy96oFgV-10MBX3Jc8pF20AMnKY6xXeNNQVVxmsLQ5OS3logByjgyTLG6A==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Crossflow

 

USRRC Group 4 Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avm158MabuNS4E3xICSfWoNFEnAJALg3s4lfN3-moc8zYj4pRW2JU82vrUBHypu1R8A28fUuzQP6aT0PmYUBfdm_Xp464hkhPk1I4KHKYzqfkRG-UgooeirQfz88WwWqj_i4sO_AjtJtJ&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> USRRC

 

John Morton Cup Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avm158MabuNS4euat5qEn9fRsZZ7C_QuOtndgk7VpSAdG96B3qFXlL1QfOF_dUBn7qrgNKA2ATslidgtWY9xTTfmv5D3kHZAx4BeOkzAntnjOK2zHWMKt1JcJ2uJqk6Khiw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Morton Cup

 

CSRG Facebook:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avlylu93ObPnwuMHuIMb-Gy00eIg5ErwEGW7ZF02kTh3vZ4xFmOuAWFaYCCHjRs7KAUANMmsICFIs8UFzuEi94Up0d1WEQVsMniORHaLjZWy8FM7WMhY_S8vMCHvwwzVMFLVI079Gfpyd&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG FB

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Race Group Tire Rules

 

Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups. 

 

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Click here to go to the HMP site:  

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Production Car Sub-Groups

 

Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set. 

 

However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set 

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.

 

The A, B & C Classes are:

 

'A'=prepped to 1962 rules 

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules 

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer) 

 

Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.

 

If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:

 


Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars 

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Scott Brown

British Cars

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

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the Classic Sports Racing Group

 

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Driving Bruce McLaren's M6

 


 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuLmBludazDgDdVV3NuzPqLLSheJHFE7htEavDRgCD8kLfjFvWahHaNMvC7oVLhuS2MZOGLwXiyVb3MVb0PD6MqCReHEuO0yLDEYNjM1qF55hd34TSmORrrGJLKZlJq3j-qq8M8XbYFekhyxEQM7Qpw=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Image removed by sender. Being Bruce: Driving Bruce McLaren's M6A

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Cars for Sale

 

1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000

 

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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at  <mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net> tajlab at sbcglobal.net

 

EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10

 

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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com 

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee

 

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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000  

Buck Jones 831-917-5952 

 

1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior

 

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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus at Laguna $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or  <mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com> prtrenholme at gmail.com  

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Fantasy Junction

 

145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555

 

1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible

 

Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by 

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership 

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented 

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.

 

For more details & photos, please click on:  1968 GT500

 

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Parts/Trailers for Sale

 

2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price

 

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Multiple extras, including winch, canopy, heavy duty axles, cabinets, work table, ceiling vent, and other accessories. Purchased new 2013 for $30,800.  Low mileage and still under the 10 year factory warranty. Click here to see detailed invoice for all features:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFSHv0-2bUX4WuCcsp3eJ5MDOo8wpsQ_LhnIqQDNEq-7Z0js_og1hjuo0F1Vr2k5oTVAq7Bc47WyMSUOYOwVF3fpmj9MOOrVdcRgdt4znJIIp-YyqjLg9CPlRkADN-fKlxMP1tGCYbZepoL_b2En6GJkmqTJtLPkNEywRrRc6Y_93D4H7TLtC6n9pG4cpnZ4wCg6fkmIQYW&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Trailer Specs.. $10,000/OBO. Contact Mike Callaham at: <mailto:sushi43 at comcast.net> sushi43 at comcast.net

 

 

2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer

 

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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at:  <mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> jgrosseto at icloud.com Price. $10,000 offers considered

 

Formula Junior Engine

 

109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.

 

Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.

 

20 ft custom Alumalite trailer 

 

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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels

 

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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle. 

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> here to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

 

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*	At the very least include a first name.
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*	Include an asking price.
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Contacts & Memberships

 

 CSRG Board


President

Locke de Bretteville

 <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com


Vice President

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Treasurer

Steve Torp

 <mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org> treasurer at csrgweb.org


Secretary

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com


Director

Ed Lamantia

 <mailto:piclhead at msn.com> piclhead at msn.com


Director

Scott Brown

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Director

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

CSRG Race Personnel


Race Director

Geoff Pitts

 <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org


Registrar

Petey Thorton

 <mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org> registrar at csrgweb.org


Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

 <mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com> h.boverhuis at gmail.com

510.541.0883

	
Car Eligibility

	


Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com


Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com

 

Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at    <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> csrg.motorsportreg.com. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org

 

 

Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at   <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org or Petey Thornton at  <mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org> Registrar at csrgweb.org

 


To the land we love and the love we land,

 

Mort Canard

 

	

 


Miscellaneous Information

 

Membership Renewals: If you can't remember whether you renewed for this season, you can check your Profile at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG MotorsportsReg or ask the Race Director.

Tech inspection sheets  

 

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Event registration  

 

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CSRG Medical Form

 

Click on  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjCnAskhoJuwmBUUL25iJB0SxpbsMahhMXqNZ1GELd9GaK_v4HiYKqcPf_ZHSgrKGSIP6QtvDdhTfTc0xw9XOLY83sTubyhdz5s282RVGmORBKex9TzJNNePmF4VGbEoWgeV6use5WESR1y527Sn3KtMMrml0SpSd2arI8VaS0VuviGElnA1hDDY5joUxowlNM&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Med Form to download a copy of the form.  You do not need to send in the original Medical Form with the "wet" signature to CSRG.  You can now keep your original and either mail a clear  photocopy or, better yet, scan the complete two page form and email it  to:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> Race.Director at csrgweb.org.  

 

It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.  

 

Email  <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> Race.Director at CSRGweb.org if you have problems or additional questions.

 

Mailing Address:

 

CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.   

 

Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:  

 

CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.

 

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From jsukey at gmail.com  Tue May 26 10:57:33 2020
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 12:57:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
In-Reply-To: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
References: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmo4o9RhY89OZKJc1YgGGC+_dAtFLqV7WzyYqCCzfWi83bLmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dennis,
         I have a warmed up TR6 engine and gearbox in my street GT6.  The
extra low end grunt is so much fun!  The basic engine block is the same, so
mounting is a non issue.  The GT6 sump will need a little massaging with a
hammer to clear the longer crank throws of the 2.5L.  I've als heard that
aftermarket rods will reduce the need to modify the sump for clearance, but
can't verify first hand.

If you retain the TR6 intake manifold, you'll have bonnet clearance
issues.  A GT6+ or MK3 intake will bolt to the wide port TR6 head without
issue.  If you plan to rev it much, you will want to look into 1.75" carbs
for sure.

The stock gearbox might not like the extra torque, going to a TR6 gearbox
is highly recommended.  Not that hard to fit.  You'll need to fab up a rear
mounting bracket, bend the clutch arm to clear the frame, and have a custom
driveshaft made.

Jason Sukey

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:44 PM Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:

>
> Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?
> I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine.
>
> Will it fit?  Any modifications needed?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dennis Walje
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kknight at klaenv.com  Tue May 26 11:31:21 2020
From: kknight at klaenv.com (Kenneth Knight)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:31:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
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This announcement came from CSRG about how they are approaching trying to race in the near future.  It is worth reading.  In the forward not all the information was sent along.  If you want to read it go the CSRG website and take a look.  I think it is worth a few minutes to see how they are handling trying to get back to racing.

 

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Knight
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:45 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News

 

 

 

From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News

 

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CSRG's "Contact Patch" 

 

	

 


Greetings! 

 

	



 

David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12

 

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Nine Frequently Asked Questions 

 

1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.

 

2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No

 

3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.

 

4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.

 

5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.

 

6) Are spectators allowed?: No

 

7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.

 

8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled

 

9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg

 

We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every 

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful, 

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your 

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.

 

We hope everything comes together 

& we can hold a safe, fun event. 

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Helmets for 2020

 


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Photo: Nat Lockwood

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There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year. 

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept. 

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.

 

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Mentoring

 

Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

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2020 CSRG Race Schedule

 


Spring Races at Thunderhill 

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled


David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12


17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4


Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1

 

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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.

 

Driver Conduct

 

(A compilation of the most common infractions)

*	If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

*	If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

*	When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

*	Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

*	Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

*	The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook) 

*	If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

*	If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

*	If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately. 

*	Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

*	Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

Click here to see a larger, printable version:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvpQwy5bcqjzvDdm_TbXW0bIm8LO7rrBB4ql60zmdXtZ19XInNdMGP8VD2NUyEmj9sTaNcCO4m0-EiYMAMr3zFkpXhjFkjGJvR3xnChj1m9X11XZ5ayjWTE8BYWSykgZJxnbPpSYBEpaJcUlcCCyWuM4HF0ytX0ZtdzsxpzE9mb9xw942sjSygxpvbOieWanoQnDnaX-cThdx&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Driver Conduct 

 

If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvpQwy5bcqjzvoH5M9zlDjqLZMUvSf9UKRFocmOoTed1NKOFSuMNN0fRwHXULH-p-IMiWvcyT_8u9vts0fBoNY5G15jd3i5clIBCsADLLCrm5PDiH2j-Z0Rzupk9hNSWxGpNrDv4p3owC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> http://bit.ly/CSRG_driver_handbook

 

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Digital Links

 

There are a lot of CSRG related videos on YouTube, but did you know that CSRG also has a YouTube Channel? Click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avk_mYB1HIxZ1ARqqrFTGba-t8968Niepb6iolhDs4MCy5fodOZNrLVDbPoD2qAolSCwEq8ywSvV-WsxxcqK8y3Hz-7n66M1h9e3FgROKlvSgW38c4ltIy4vRbro0HeRbuaAPmpDzxC5GrnbXol1liXwXXTt8floam1zkszo-Xpfr4eGKKLyn1rs=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Videos

 

Did you know that CSRG has not only a club website ( <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuZmtnB7JWKjVSurggigPMpMED7Fwd0wXtWDwGt0ENNjwrgbgEBT8DWU3ic9pakSp_zdqRCWHhdWzsNbxAKXnIXamQu13dFKW96RB4oLxB_WIbswsVMxiOjXr3K2C5doFQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> www.csrgracing.org) but also:

 

David Love Vintage Races Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvlPB5a_7Xrq32IcIV8NlS5jAbiFMse5cGKtEXnEcnaGb8JkZUNBfMXYG4USeRv0yNPS7lAv8jOQ6nJ58J3ginioALyCmCpqGGIOndpMdVqYinM10qPoZ1Sgw2QSFMa1eNoOxcrS8n5Xv&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> DLVR

 

Charity Challenge Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrD7LPyYXVCidoAKFxpBuapiXrG03NfYM9aK9d3WURfXXt1Zj3PLCbJAcM9ZYLgHZOuJ0CDIDDDTMdbe7hoJJowVpUTioYItetpO_1dNUmA0JfnOO6CZCDWxMl-oMg3udw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CC

 

Crossflow Cup Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvoKTL7_h3taifD7wlh96GbHVthQ9wX8y4MWK0v9tOnvyzqq9qMvr9YTEUewL4ZWSMNH3TNtvsy96oFgV-10MBX3Jc8pF20AMnKY6xXeNNQVVxmsLQ5OS3logByjgyTLG6A==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Crossflow

 

USRRC Group 4 Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avm158MabuNS4E3xICSfWoNFEnAJALg3s4lfN3-moc8zYj4pRW2JU82vrUBHypu1R8A28fUuzQP6aT0PmYUBfdm_Xp464hkhPk1I4KHKYzqfkRG-UgooeirQfz88WwWqj_i4sO_AjtJtJ&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> USRRC

 

John Morton Cup Site:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avm158MabuNS4euat5qEn9fRsZZ7C_QuOtndgk7VpSAdG96B3qFXlL1QfOF_dUBn7qrgNKA2ATslidgtWY9xTTfmv5D3kHZAx4BeOkzAntnjOK2zHWMKt1JcJ2uJqk6Khiw==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Morton Cup

 

CSRG Facebook:  

 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avlylu93ObPnwuMHuIMb-Gy00eIg5ErwEGW7ZF02kTh3vZ4xFmOuAWFaYCCHjRs7KAUANMmsICFIs8UFzuEi94Up0d1WEQVsMniORHaLjZWy8FM7WMhY_S8vMCHvwwzVMFLVI079Gfpyd&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG FB

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Race Group Tire Rules

 

Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups. 

 

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Click here to go to the HMP site:  

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Production Car Sub-Groups

 

Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set. 

 

However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set 

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.

 

The A, B & C Classes are:

 

'A'=prepped to 1962 rules 

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules 

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer) 

 

Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.

 

If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:

 


Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars 

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Scott Brown

British Cars

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

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For People Who Love Cars

 

Please support those who support 

the Classic Sports Racing Group

 

To go to the Hagerty site, click here:  

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Driving Bruce McLaren's M6

 


 <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuLmBludazDgDdVV3NuzPqLLSheJHFE7htEavDRgCD8kLfjFvWahHaNMvC7oVLhuS2MZOGLwXiyVb3MVb0PD6MqCReHEuO0yLDEYNjM1qF55hd34TSmORrrGJLKZlJq3j-qq8M8XbYFekhyxEQM7Qpw=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Image removed by sender. Being Bruce: Driving Bruce McLaren's M6A

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Cars & Parts Classifieds

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Cars for Sale

 

1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000

 

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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at  <mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net> tajlab at sbcglobal.net

 

EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10

 

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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com 

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee

 

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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000  

Buck Jones 831-917-5952 

 

1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior

 

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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ=&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Lotus at Laguna $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or  <mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com> prtrenholme at gmail.com  

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Fantasy Junction

 

145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555

 

1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible

 

Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by 

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership 

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented 

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.

 

For more details & photos, please click on:  1968 GT500

 

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Parts/Trailers for Sale

 

2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price

 

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Multiple extras, including winch, canopy, heavy duty axles, cabinets, work table, ceiling vent, and other accessories. Purchased new 2013 for $30,800.  Low mileage and still under the 10 year factory warranty. Click here to see detailed invoice for all features:  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFSHv0-2bUX4WuCcsp3eJ5MDOo8wpsQ_LhnIqQDNEq-7Z0js_og1hjuo0F1Vr2k5oTVAq7Bc47WyMSUOYOwVF3fpmj9MOOrVdcRgdt4znJIIp-YyqjLg9CPlRkADN-fKlxMP1tGCYbZepoL_b2En6GJkmqTJtLPkNEywRrRc6Y_93D4H7TLtC6n9pG4cpnZ4wCg6fkmIQYW&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> Trailer Specs.. $10,000/OBO. Contact Mike Callaham at: <mailto:sushi43 at comcast.net> sushi43 at comcast.net

 

 

2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer

 

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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at:  <mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> jgrosseto at icloud.com Price. $10,000 offers considered

 

Formula Junior Engine

 

109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.

 

Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.

 

20 ft custom Alumalite trailer 

 

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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel  <mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com> rfeds at bendcable.com

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603

 

Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels

 

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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle. 

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> here to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or  <mailto:prichins at jps.net> prichins at jps.net

 

 

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Want to place an ad?

 

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*	At the very least include a first name.
*	Include a link to a more detailed description, if possible.
*	Include an asking price.
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Contacts & Memberships

 

 CSRG Board


President

Locke de Bretteville

 <mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com> csrglocke at gmail.com


Vice President

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Treasurer

Steve Torp

 <mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org> treasurer at csrgweb.org


Secretary

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com


Director

Ed Lamantia

 <mailto:piclhead at msn.com> piclhead at msn.com


Director

Scott Brown

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com


Director

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com

 

CSRG Race Personnel


Race Director

Geoff Pitts

 <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org


Registrar

Petey Thorton

 <mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org> registrar at csrgweb.org


Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

 <mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com> h.boverhuis at gmail.com

510.541.0883

	
Car Eligibility

	


Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

 <mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com> scott at scottbrowndesign.com

 <mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com> d.s.wardman at gmail.com


Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

 <mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com> jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com


Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

 <mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com> eshippert55 at gmail.com

 

Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at    <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> csrg.motorsportreg.com. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org

 

 

Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at   <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> race.director at csrgweb.org or Petey Thornton at  <mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org> Registrar at csrgweb.org

 


To the land we love and the love we land,

 

Mort Canard

 

	

 


Miscellaneous Information

 

Membership Renewals: If you can't remember whether you renewed for this season, you can check your Profile at  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg==&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG MotorsportsReg or ask the Race Director.

Tech inspection sheets  

 

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Event registration  

 

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CSRG Medical Form

 

Click on  <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjCnAskhoJuwmBUUL25iJB0SxpbsMahhMXqNZ1GELd9GaK_v4HiYKqcPf_ZHSgrKGSIP6QtvDdhTfTc0xw9XOLY83sTubyhdz5s282RVGmORBKex9TzJNNePmF4VGbEoWgeV6use5WESR1y527Sn3KtMMrml0SpSd2arI8VaS0VuviGElnA1hDDY5joUxowlNM&c=gSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA==&ch=WoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw==> CSRG Med Form to download a copy of the form.  You do not need to send in the original Medical Form with the "wet" signature to CSRG.  You can now keep your original and either mail a clear  photocopy or, better yet, scan the complete two page form and email it  to:  <mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org> Race.Director at csrgweb.org.  

 

It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.  

 

Email  <mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> Race.Director at CSRGweb.org if you have problems or additional questions.

 

Mailing Address:

 

CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.   

 

Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:  

 

CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.

 

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From britracer89 at yahoo.com  Tue May 26 12:07:15 2020
From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 18:07:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
In-Reply-To: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
References: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
Message-ID: <1050180216.5081491.1590516435447@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Dennis,Although I run the 2.0L in my spitsix race car the TR6 is the same block and will fit using GT6 mounts. As already stated use the GT6 sump with some mild modification.? I also use the TR6 gearbox with a simple rear gearbox bracket to mount the stock TR6 mount. Driveshaft is a sliding spline yoke MGB shaft with GT6 flanges. The TR6 gearbox flange is simply re-drilled to accept the GT6 flange. Due to the u-joint size I do not recommend dumping the clutch to do burnouts.
Good luck!Brian Dennis

    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 12:52:20 PM EDT, Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:  
 
 
Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?? I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?? Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 26 13:53:27 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 19:53:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
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References: <1134245857481.1102166611696.1951435901.0.1501204JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com>
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Ken, maybe its my computer but I don't see anything but individual questions, no info. I went to the CSRG website and don't see anything there? Help. ?

Marty

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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Kenneth Knight <kknight at klaenv.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:31 PM
To: 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News


This announcement came from CSRG about how they are approaching trying to race in the near future.  It is worth reading.  In the forward not all the information was sent along.  If you want to read it go the CSRG website and take a look.  I think it is worth a few minutes to see how they are handling trying to get back to racing.



From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Knight
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:45 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News







From: CSRG [mailto:contactpatch at csrgweb.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:05 AM
To: kknight at klaenv.com
Subject: CSRG Late Braking News







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CSRG's "Contact Patch"





Greetings!





David Love Vintage Races: July 10-12



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Nine Frequently Asked Questions



1) What are the chances of running? I'm not the betting kind, but I would say 50/50. A few days ago, the Sonoma County Health officer, Dr. Sundari Mase, said that, assuming the community spread doesn't climb to 30% (currently at 20%), there may be a futher easing of restrictions. To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.



2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?: No



3) What procedural changes will there be?: Our goal is to have the three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.



4) Will there be changes to the Paddock?: Yes. The plan will be to do a more detailed marking of paddock spaces than we have in the past so as to ensure some degree of social distancing.



5) Will Crews be limited?: Yes, the number TBD.



6) Are spectators allowed?: No



7) Are Face Masks mandatory?: Absolutely yes. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you will just have to gut it out.



8) Saturday night dinner & Mechanical Picnic?: Cancelled



9) When can one enter?: After June 12 via MotorsportReg



We all know that the ultimate responsibility falls on every

person in the paddock. Simply put, if you are not careful,

others may pay for it. If you feel you can not comply with the precautions laid out by both CSRG & the track, that's your

choice, but we would then suggest you not enter the event.



We hope everything comes together

& we can hold a safe, fun event.

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Helmets for 2020



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Photo: Nat Lockwood



There will be a new helmet standard in 2020--SA2020. Helmets to the new standard will be available late in the year.

CSRG will accept SA2010 helmets (& obviously SA2015) through 2020 & probably 2021, depending upon 1) product availabilty & 2) what other clubs (particularly the SCCA) decide to accept.

There are significant improvements in the new designs and, since it is your brain we're talking about, maybe upgrading is a good idea.



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Mentoring



Please be aware that you may be asked to help mentor a new CSRG member. If you are, we ask that you please take the task seriously & make a concerted effort to help the individual get acclimated to the club & its events. It can be a little daunting for newcomers, so any help or guidance you can provide will be beneficial.



Thank you in advance!



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2020 CSRG Race Schedule



Spring Races at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Cancelled

David Love Vintage Races

Sonoma Raceway

July 10-12

17th Annual Charity Challenge

Sonoma Raceway

Oct. 2-4

Season Finale & Awards Dinner at Thunderhill

Thunderhill 3 Mile

Oct. 30-Nov. 1



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The following is a brief list of some of the infractions that have occurred over the last few seasons. We respectfully ask that you please read them & take them to heart.



Driver Conduct



(A compilation of the most common infractions)

  *   If for any reason you are late to the grid or fail to leave the grid with the pack, you may not regain your starting position.  You will start from the back.

  *   If the pace car lights are flashing, you must follow under all circumstances.  (e.g., bringing group through pit lane, controlling group for multiple laps, etc.)

  *   When behind the pace car, keep pace with the cars around you to avoid holding up the group.

  *   Tire scrubbing is not allowed when cars are side-by-side.

  *   Check your gauges twice a lap.  Help prevent lost fluids and lost track-time.

  *   The safest way to pass is with a point-by.  Give a point-by as often as you can.  (Passing is detailed on Page 1 of the CSRG Driver Handbook)

  *   If you see a RED flag, immediately slow and check your mirrors.  Come to a complete stop as soon as you can do so safely, and within sight of a flag stand.   Stopped on a red flag you may turn off your engine, but do not remove your seatbelts, helmet, or any other safety gear.  Await flagger signal to continue.

  *   If you see a BLUE & YELLOW flag, check your mirrors and be aware that you are about to be passed.  You do not need to lift or move over, just be aware that there is a faster car approaching.

  *   If you deviate (spin, four wheels off, pass under yellow, contact) or if you see a standing black flag (sometimes accompanied by a finger point or a number board) you must report to the Black Flag station immediately.

  *   Do not cross the track unless you have clear direction by a course marshal to do so.  For example, at Sonoma if you spin exiting T11 and end up in the middle, you may not cross into the pit lane until directed to do so.

  *   Altercations both verbal and physical should be avoided at all costs.  Report any altercations to the Race Director or a CSRG Board Member immediately.  Do not try to resolve the situation yourself.

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If you have not read the CSRG Driver Handbook please do so.  If you have, please consider re-reading it to refresh your memory.  It contains valuable information about exactly what CSRG expects of its drivers, and how to be a welcome participant at any track event.

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Digital Links



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Did you know that CSRG has not only a club website (www.csrgracing.org<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvuZmtnB7JWKjVSurggigPMpMED7Fwd0wXtWDwGt0ENNjwrgbgEBT8DWU3ic9pakSp_zdqRCWHhdWzsNbxAKXnIXamQu13dFKW96RB4oLxB_WIbswsVMxiOjXr3K2C5doFQ%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579655355&sdata=SIEZa%2B%2BLOritT1PvDYRgx5jCdYvSTZohwtmlPX%2BkXO8%3D&reserved=0>) but also:



David Love Vintage Races Site:

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Charity Challenge Site:

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Crossflow Cup Site:

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USRRC Group 4 Site:

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John Morton Cup Site:

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CSRG Facebook:

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Race Group Tire Rules



Please note that the tire rules for Race Group 8 differ from those of other Race Groups. The reason for mentioning it is that those of you who ask to be moved out of G8 & into G2 or G3 may have to change tires to be legal in those other groups.



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Production Car Sub-Groups



Unless you request otherwise, the default class group for Production Cars (i.e. Race Groups 1, 2, 3 & some cars in 8) will be 'C'---that being cars conforming to the 1972 rules set.



However, if you feel your car qualifies under an earlier (1962 or 1967) rules set

, you may have your car reviewed by the appropriate individual listed in the table below.



The A, B & C Classes are:



'A'=prepped to 1962 rules

'B'=prepped to 1967 rules

'C'=prepped to 1972 & newer)



Important: All three "classes", will be timed and scored in a way that will show their overall position & their position within the class.



If interested, please contact the appropriate person below:



Jon Norman

Italian, German, Japanese & Group 8 Cars

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Scott Brown

British Cars

scott at scottbrowndesign.com<mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com>

Dan Wardman

British & French Cars

d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>



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Cars & Parts Classifieds

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Cars for Sale



1962 LOTUS 7 SB1410 With 17' V Nose box trailer: $43,000



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All Parts removed to build racecar are saved, boxed and ready to install. Car have maintained a current CA registration and title. Consistently finishes ahead of half of the 26Rs. HP 134 Jay Ivey engine. Fresh seatbelts, brakes, fuel cell. Major spares, fresh wide radio gearbox and limited slip differential. Minor spares are everything to rebuild the brakes, electrical, suspension, hydraulics, complete set (5) stock wheels. plus - plus++ Too much to list. Inquire if interested. Weight (dry): 1,025 lbs For more details on Craigslist, click here: Lotus<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvswHOubRPzY-715vT5UST_OxS3jwsS8LiHwI-78MjHBM2aCttrYVjsFUTZf3AcFOl34ryowO3r9bcR4g8qSqfCoznu83U5UDM7LSqjZX8wGkEnDqxO9akjnJdorRPvdNLSCEA_kHGEDKUFHr5FNhIYm9T10PcyQVgJ_WfG6ZGKCKj8wYyedQClRozkFX-sELpDRl78KbEWHf8PQhwLF8WrY%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579705326&sdata=4Y2SS8pEnSLBIzWAIr5A7VDF7ALz4Mf%2FAz7J31tdeT4%3D&reserved=0>. Contact Tony at 731.750-7102 or at tajlab at sbcglobal.net<mailto:tajlab at sbcglobal.net>



EMPI Crusader Sports Racer. # 7 of 10



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Built by Chuck Tatum, Joe Vitone and EMPI in 1964. Vintage history since 1994. Developed and raced by current owner since 2004. Three times Monterey historics, SVRA Gold Medallion. Recent body work. Development and support by Tony Garmey at Horizon Racing. Complete maintenance and race history since 2004. Two fresh (4 hours each) 2165 cc VW engines w/approximately 130HP/ 200 ft/lb torque. Engine specs available. Square tube chassis. VW ball joint front suspension. Unique zero role rear suspension. Disc/Drum brakes. VW 5 speed transmission. Extra set of wheels and some spares included. Will deliver at reasonable distance for cost. Price $ 65,00 Contact Ron Federspiel rfeds at bendcable.com<mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com>

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603



1972 Royale RP 18A SuperVee



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Air cooled Type 4 VW 1600 - Hewland Mk 8.  Recent rebuild with line bore,less

than 30 minutes on the motor. CSRG, HMSA, RMVR vintage eligible. Will fit six foot driver fine.  T4 VW engine parts are very well supported by the off-road fraternity.  Run with the twin cams for pushrod money. Former Robert Bosch Gold Cup pro car with 3 log books.  Call to discuss spares. $16,000

Buck Jones 831-917-5952



1967 Brabham BT21C

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The Brabham has been professionally cared for and meticulously maintained by Ethan Shippert and Veloce Motors for the past 7+ years.  It is in excellent condition and nothing is needed. The Brabham has some very nice upgrades that improve its performance & classic looks: the gear set, the diff., the front brakes, polished stainless steel headers, body work, and recent paint.  Includes spare set of Brabham wheels. Asking $79,000 but the price is flexible.Contact Paul at 916-899-6331 (no text messages) or prichins at jps.net<mailto:prichins at jps.net>



1962 Lotus 22 Formula Junior



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Mechanically excellent. Richardson head & cam, Richardson spec engine built with Crowther prepared block. FIA Passport, TRE rebuilt Hewland Mk 8. Raced West coast US and Europe since 1993 (CSRG, HMSA, SCCA, GR) Car is entered in 2017 RMMR-FJ Diamond Anniversary. Click here for Laguna Rolex race video: Lotus at Laguna<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avnlzjh5hPkbXMKEoDFbOK_kWsa94YYTYzsuAsSd9J9J1rxgbOtrkY2TtqXX364gE8L-Mr0Jp9O4f22GYokOwafgPSo8u9ao0Gvzz5sGM35RpQ4e-OddPXw-IbtJFZlnHY31ir5w85E_Xxzmzr4HIXmQ%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579705326&sdata=Chi4u4Xy%2BoL%2BNc%2BVodGSGzCX9F%2FJaMbKE6qMBZz%2BBSs%3D&reserved=0> $80K/OBO Phil: 408-354  9632 or prtrenholme at gmail.com<mailto:prtrenholme at gmail.com>

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Fantasy Junction



145 Park Avenue, Emeryville

Phone:  +1 510-653-7555



1968 Ford Shelby

GT 500 Convertible



Genuine GT 500 S-Code 4-Speed Manual, Documented by

Marti Report, Original Build Plate and Build Sheet, Ownership

and Restoration History. Beautifully Restored and Presented

in Original Colors. Fitted with FoMoCo A/C, and Tilt Wheel.



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Parts/Trailers for Sale



2013 20' Featherlite 4926 Enclosed Trailer

Reduced Price



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2006 Wells Cargo Gooseneck Trailer



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28' long  20' floor length; 8,000lb. axles w/EZ Lube Hubs; Battery Charger; 12 Volt Winch; E-Track Tie Down System on floor and walls; Work Bench and Wall Cabinets; 12 volt and 110v interior Lights and Recp., Full Interior vinyl wall covering; D-Rings; Aero Nose Cone; ATP stone Guard; Twin 36" side doors;

Spare Tire; $23,000 cost new. In Excellent condition. Full description and photos available. Email John at: jgrosseto at icloud.com<mailto:jgrosseto at icloud.com> Price. $10,000 offers considered



Formula Junior Engine



109E Block, 3.228 bore, 1.905 stroke.  116E Head (valves/springs/rockers installed), Laystall forged crank, Carrillo rods, Kent A6 cam. Three weekends run time since build. Partially disassembled for inspection. $6,000 obo.



Miscellaneous Engine Parts

In addition to the Junior engine, above, I have for sale: a 109E block; 116E "GH" head casting; 105E head casting; 116E "J" head with fresh grinds/valves/springs (run one weekend); FF rockers (by Farley Engines); head gaskets, wet sumps, timing covers, more.  $1,000 for all. For details, please call Karl at (925) 980-2673.



20 ft custom Alumalite trailer



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Light weight ( Approx. 1800 lbs. ) Custom made soft top. Removable mobile pit/tool box  New battery. Approximate 6 ft head room.Easily towed by SUV. Price $10,000 Contact Ron Federspiel rfeds at bendcable.com<mailto:rfeds at bendcable.com>

C 541.419.4457 H 541.389.1603



Two 9" x 13" Brabham Wheels



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They are black and in excellent condition. Four bolt with a 4.0" bolt circle.

The wheels are similar to the Brabham wheels for sale at $985 ea. by Lee Chapman. (click here<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvmFagPWbN_n0__MCIi_dTaHyDLfYda3hHAczON-S2_i98BfsIWFEaCHDkaXRZ5_S0aK_bQHTNaQIK3cqvNzT5tCi4qnNuXCme7YheIod3uU7Qmj1qejUmsTTDrm4ogIlQYZDrCZ3u_PC%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579725317&sdata=WdrJpIuV%2FNRlgK3AWmAz4mJKu4UrxKJq2ukY7Uzj2vs%3D&reserved=0> to see), but I am only asking $900 for the pair. Contact Paul at 916-983-2340 (please no texts) or prichins at jps.net<mailto:prichins at jps.net>





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Want to place an ad?



Here are the guidelines:

  *   Ads are available only to CSRG members & are free of charge.
  *   Ads will run for 4-6 CPs, depending upon volume.
  *   Ads should be 50-60 words, excluding contact info. Include either an email address, home phone or cell phone number.
  *   At the very least include a first name.
  *   Include a link to a more detailed description, if possible.
  *   Include an asking price.
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Contacts & Memberships



 CSRG Board

President

Locke de Bretteville

csrglocke at gmail.com<mailto:csrglocke at gmail.com>

Vice President

Jon Norman

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Treasurer

Steve Torp

treasurer at csrgweb.org<mailto:treasurer at csrgweb.org>

Secretary

Ethan Shippert

eshippert55 at gmail.com<mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com>

Director

Ed Lamantia

piclhead at msn.com<mailto:piclhead at msn.com>

Director

Scott Brown

scott at scottbrowndesign.com<mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com>

Director

Dan Wardman

d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>



CSRG Race Personnel

Race Director

Geoff Pitts

race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org>

Registrar

Petey Thorton

registrar at csrgweb.org<mailto:registrar at csrgweb.org>

Chief of Tech

Henk Boverhuis

h.boverhuis at gmail.com<mailto:h.boverhuis at gmail.com>

510.541.0883

Car Eligibility

Production Cars Pre-1968

Scott Brown

Dan Wardman

scott at scottbrowndesign.com<mailto:scott at scottbrowndesign.com>

d.s.wardman at gmail.com<mailto:d.s.wardman at gmail.com>

Production Based Cars 1968-1990

Jon Norman

jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com<mailto:jrncsrg at alfapartscatalog.com>

Formula & Sports Racing Cars

Ethan Shippert

eshippert55 at gmail.com<mailto:eshippert55 at gmail.com>



Make sure you've renewed your membership for next season. 2020 Full Racing Membership is $150. Current members get preferential treatment if there is a car number conflict in a run group, as do people who enter early. To see if you already renewed, look at the membership expiration date in your  Profile at   csrg.motorsportreg.com<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvrmNykhtUwKN4OmVuuYb6K-3gZGWbfDXbJtr6E_ptvA-2JjiOym-zRAQBP05kbMMbQsNlu9pAZLI2xcd0hiDm1uNQsz4RPzkzvHvlH85TfEjid-DdCeIclhnpRzYM2cmBQ%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579725317&sdata=HX%2FPdWt2g8sZVb455IDwhx8pJFM%2BSNsvFzxIw0HNH6M%3D&reserved=0>. Even if you renewed by mail, your Profile will have been updated. Alternatively, you can call the Race Director at 888.268.7126 or email him: race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:race.director at csrgweb.org>





Associate Member Benefits: The CSRG Board of Directors agreed that registered Associate Members should receive two complimentary gate tickets for CSRG race events (face value $160 a year) and should have the opportunity to purchase additional tickets at the Guest of Entrant price, which is currently $10. Associate Member dues are $60. If you are not certain whether you are registered as an Associate Member, email either Geoff Pitts at  race.director at csrgweb.org<mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> or Petey Thornton at Registrar at csrgweb.org<mailto:Registrar at csrgweb.org>



To the land we love and the love we land,



Mort Canard





Miscellaneous Information



Membership Renewals: If you can't remember whether you renewed for this season, you can check your Profile at CSRG MotorsportsReg<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-Avn769YWtr2nPV-xye4YxD9yvgVPjkjvXrSgNj8mdOA3C385zrz3bgyn5PdFyCqcX9fLfLCN4fu128HmJDCCU7kqQhg58PMDL_rXFt3nqqxxa00LlnLE316zSj36oSfXudg%3D%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579735309&sdata=%2BURJInkZb3yr53320u%2BNKF%2BBJ96ZYmAjqOkggJAf2E4%3D&reserved=0> or ask the Race Director.

Tech inspection sheets



You can get a head start on your Tech Inspection tasks by downloading the Pre-Tech Inspection Forms.  These forms are not meant to replace the sheets you will receive by e-mail with your information packet but are provided as information and as a work sheet so you may inspect and gather all the data necessary to complete the official form.  Click TechWorksheet<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr20.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001vvJAbRPNZcAbyU8Ka4FeFmzwBVpzZ3zs85BF8BjfwDL2yNBDsC-AvqBWFtfgtAzjlDDJh3d_lQRWDjZbSrXEsRVdnh8vhkQz4ouKaBxaB8CMqTNh6a-3kOWTZ64ktLGiGx0UMBfLnE6y8SPx_3FpfJqgbTlE9lCpX9QY8SqatsgLmR-JfynWOpBK1uoMetxGRemjsGTarh2TC2AEXi0cLUPU1mGvV6Xn70yLOtg5IgybtFi6hoe_XxcmsdHX7-VuP6DJSUPKgzY%3D%26c%3DgSFldqwpScgvSS991I1gyp-aC4Yqboz-BAIFToEXe-EhxF-lS2jQEA%3D%3D%26ch%3DWoHULHrHOQiPjP3YiNj4Q4TN9jUtK0Jhm7j5L4jLTNan7di5msF9Dw%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7c4031e222a94b35e49c08d8019c5ad8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637261118579735309&sdata=R4FvPHs%2FKAvOXPmF0HSub83ZYg%2FYObveasn36bbEQN8%3D&reserved=0> to print your copy of the worksheet.

Event registration



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CSRG Medical Form



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It would be wise to file the original until its medical certification period expires.  The scan and email system is the preferred method, otherwise mail the forms to CSRG at P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael Ca. 94912.



Email Race.Director at CSRGweb.org<mailto:Race.Director at CSRGweb.org> if you have problems or additional questions.



Mailing Address:



CSRG, P.O. Box 3223, San Rafael, California 94912.



Medical Cards for Guest Competitors:



CSRG recognizes current and valid medical cards as issued by FIA, SCCA (for drivers under 60 only), and all organization members of the Vintage Motorsports Council.



New Members? We welcome drivers who believe in the spirit of vintage racing.  Curious?  Do you want to join CSRG or need more info? Email:

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 26 14:02:51 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 15:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: CSRG Late Braking News
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4514238F6BAD6B4D3E7461EBBAB00@BL0PR02MB4514.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1134245857481.1102166611696.1951435901.0.1501204JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com>
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Message-ID: <77ac2692-868d-1309-1d24-30d8ea26b6d5@tonydrews.com>

The text ended up black on black.? I find if I highlight the text in the 
e-mail I can read it.

- Tony Drews

On 5/26/2020 2:53 PM, marty sukey wrote:
>
> *To say things are in a state of flux would be an understatement.*
>
> *_2) Is there a Late Entry Fee?:_**No*
>
> *_3) What procedural changes will there be?:_**Our goal is to have the 
> three major contact areas for entrants & crews: Will Call, Tech & 
> Registration handled digitally. This is a big task, but it's one we 
> will continue to pursue even after the virus subsides. We are 
> considering using the ticket booths at the Main Gate & at the John 
> Cardinale Media Center instead of the "open room" approach of the past.*
>
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From britcars at bellsouth.net  Tue May 26 17:48:12 2020
From: britcars at bellsouth.net (barry rosenberg)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 23:48:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Tr6 into Gt6
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References: <88846DC9-4149-4517-81C8-C92E487897C4@motorsportranch.com>
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 I am finishing a GT6 running gear into a 1964 Herald. Not quite a bolt in but not far from it.
Barry Rosenberg
    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 12:45:27 PM EDT, Dennis <dennis at motorsportranch.com> wrote:  
 
 
Does anyone have experience with installing anTR6 drive train into a GT6?? I have a 68 MK1 GT6 and would like to install the larger engine. 

Will it fit?? Any modifications needed?

Thanks

Dennis Walje

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 04:35:47 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:35:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....

"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

[Image]



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From johnstydo at gmail.com  Wed May 27 05:29:26 2020
From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 07:29:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3A for sale in Dallas TX
Message-ID: <CAMJWJcGfbdV60OL3dDs21dzUMU=ztWgJmR24mFxLnNUXOTzTtA@mail.gmail.com>

A friend lives in New England and is interested in buying this car and
asked if someone on our site could take a personal look and provide some
feedback before he makes an offer.   Car is located in Dallas, TX and a
private sale.  He is willing to pay for this service if anyone has the time
and knowledge.


https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/triumph/tr3a/2398208.html

Thanks

John Styduhar
724-699-8594
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 07:06:30 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:06:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I recall it was "The Front Straight Blues", but what do I know.

Scott (B.)

From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk

This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....

"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 08:11:21 2020
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:11:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Lol I thought it was the Porsche Blues


Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 8:14 AM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:

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I recall it was ?The Front Straight Blues?, but what do I know.
 
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Scott (B.)
 
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From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
 
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This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
 
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"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
 
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From dennis at motorsportranch.com  Wed May 27 08:49:01 2020
From: dennis at motorsportranch.com (Dennis)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 09:49:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 drive train into GT6
Message-ID: <A7127696-6AAB-4B0C-A9D3-1370524679D7@motorsportranch.com>


Thanks all for the great info. Sounds like best option is to stick with GT6 motor and upgrade trans and rear suspension. 

Dennis Walje

Sent from my iPhone


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed May 27 08:51:26 2020
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 09:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFJldHVybiB0byBNaWQtT2hpb+KAnS4gICAgVGhl?=
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FOT:   No surprise, we are getting requests for the event poster.

THE POSTERS ARE NOW AVAILABLE FOR DISTRIBUTION.

If you are an entrant or contributed to the Kastner Cup, they are GRATIS.

If you require a poster to be mailed, they are $12.50 by PAYPAL or Check.

They will be available at the track for a fee.

This Poster, by CLARK LINCOLN, is a Historical Grid of Kas? Cars, or cars he had associations with. This poster is the last in a series since 2008 and is very collectible.

The offer goes first to the FOT, and then to the Triumph Community at large. I will try my best to get the mailed tubes out before the Cup.

Best Regards,
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PAYPAL: n197tr4 at cs.com
Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 09:55:18 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Awww.? Good memories, good times.

- Tony Drews

On 5/27/2020 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:
>
> I recall it was ?The Front Straight Blues?, but what do I know.
>
> Scott (B.)
>
> *From:*Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Barr, Scott
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:36 AM
> *To:* fot at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>
> This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
>
> "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, 
> and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk 
> Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
>
> Image
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From kenandtweety at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 10:20:33 2020
From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 16:20:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 In 2001 I was fortunate enough to get a copy of Jack's racing songs. They rode with me to my racing trips until I no longer had a cassette player in my tow vehicle. What a great group of guys who added to the weekend fun. It is always surprising to learn of someone's talent. You can't see the harmonica in the group photo that John was playing when not singing also. After Bill's untimely death I don't believe this happened anymore.

Ken Suhre     On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 05:44:13 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 12:19:19 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 18:19:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From emanteno at comcast.net  Wed May 27 12:33:22 2020
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:33:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the
> great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a
> Terabyte of storage.
>
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one
of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of
copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed May 27 12:47:28 2020
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 18:47:28 +0000
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)

Scott (B.)

From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk



On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net<mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.

Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.

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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 13:14:58 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
>  
> Scott (B.)
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
>  
> Irv Korey
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 13:14:58 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
>  
> Scott (B.)
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
>  
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 14:18:57 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 15:18:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or 
download to your favorite device.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1

Regards, Tony Drews

On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund 
> or whatever.
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.? And 
>> I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that 
>> makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>>
>> *From:*Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
>> *To:* Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider 
>> <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to
>>     record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in
>>     our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>>
>> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have 
>> one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a 
>> couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost.
>>
>> Irv Korey
>>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Wed May 27 14:28:24 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 20:28:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Wednesday, May 27, 2020,?Gary Schneider?<garygret at sbcglobal.net>?wrote:

 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.




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From steve at artwithcars.com  Wed May 27 14:36:45 2020
From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:36:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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These songs are CLASSIC!!!!!

~Steve Belfer

> On May 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice.  Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here).  And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 
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> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> Gary
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
> 
> "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
> 
> <FB_IMG_1590575426058.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
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From billdentin at aol.com  Wed May 27 14:44:55 2020
From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 20:44:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Beady Eye has two to add, if I can find them.? They are on a cassette somewhere.? One "Cover of Victory Lane" is a take off on Cover of Rolling Stone.? And the other is a take off on the old Elvis tune called "You don't have to let me pass you, just let me catch up."? I'll have to look for them.
Bill Dentinger

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Sent: Wed, May 27, 2020 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk

These songs are CLASSIC!!!!!
~Steve Belfer

On May 27, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com> wrote:
A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
Bill Dentinger

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 On?Wednesday, May 27, 2020,?Gary Schneider?<garygret at sbcglobal.net>?wrote:

 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.Gary


    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:  
 
  This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
"The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 14:53:34 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 15:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Dad always felt bad that they didn't think to invite W.S. Thompson to 
the recording session in Bill Dalton's studio.? Kinda eerie listening to 
them now, but bring back great memories (and a tear to my eye).

- Tony

On 5/27/2020 3:28 PM, Bill Dentinger wrote:
> A lot of talent there! Jack Drews had a beautiful voice. ?Dalton was a 
> great guitarist, as was Golanty ( who is playing harmonica here). ?And 
> Bill Thompson pretty much can play any instrument.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
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> On?Wednesday, May 27, 2020,?Gary 
> Schneider?<garygret at sbcglobal.net>?wrote:
>
>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record
>     the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our
>     pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>     Gary
>
>
>     On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 5:44:12 AM CDT, Barr, Scott
>     <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>
>
>     This post from a Facebook page of Blackhawk Farms recollections....
>
>     "The late Jack Drews, along with the late Bill Dalton, John
>     Golanty, and myself [Wm. Severin Thompson] ... Jack singing "The
>     Blackhawk Blues" with the ThickTones in Thicko Village.
>
>     Image
>
>
>
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Wed May 27 15:38:33 2020
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:38:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wtd: TR 3 RR
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Help !! Anyone have a usable RR body corner they want to sell ? 

Yes , I can make the patch panels ... just seeing what?s available:-) 

Cheers
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 27 21:43:03 2020
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 03:43:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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 Tony,You da Man! If I close my eyes I can still see them playing.Thanks a ton! Hope to see you next month.Gary

    On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:22:40 PM CDT, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:  
 
  
Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
 
 
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1 
 
 
Regards, Tony Drews
 
 On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
  
 
 Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever. Gary
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
 
 
  
 ? 
 
I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.? And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
 
 ?
 
Scott (B.)
 
 ?
 
From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
 To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
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 Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
 
 ?
   
 ?
  
 ?
   
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  
    
Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
    
 ?
 
  
Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost. 
   
 ?
   
Irv Korey
     
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Wed May 27 22:32:19 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 00:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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I haven?t really followed this tread but in the interest of Triumph songs  here is a song my son and i wrote traveling to a national meeting,,,,,, great time ,,,,,,,,, 


> On May 27, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Tony,
> You da Man! If I close my eyes I can still see them playing.
> Thanks a ton! Hope to see you next month.
> Gary
> 
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:22:40 PM CDT, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1 <https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1> 
> Regards, Tony Drews
> On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> 
> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
> Gary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> <mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
> 
> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
> 
>  
> Scott (B.)
> 
>  
> From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> <mailto:emanteno at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
> 
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> 
> Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> 
>  
> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
> 
>  
> Irv Korey
> 
> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed May 27 22:36:53 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Oh my, oh my.  Thank you very much for sharing these songs, Tony.  They are absolutely wonderful.  What a pleasure to hear them.  Who wrote the lyrics?  Real treasures.  Really nice and smooth guitar too.  Hoagy Carmichael wrote Georgia, a great modern/classic.  This arrangement, with appropriate lyrics is very enjoyable.  Again, thanks for sharing these.  I will indeed download them and include them in my shuffled music play list.  
When I was a kid attending Catholic school near Cleveland, Ohio, even the nuns knew of Hoagy Carmichael, but I didn't at the time.  They always mentioned him when I was introduced to them. 
I wish I had become involved in racing Triumphs a few years earlier. I would have so enjoyed seeing and hearing these guys play during a race weekend.  I'm sure that knowing Jack just a little would have been really sweet too.
"Porsches aren't allowed in heaven".
Dave Hogye


> On May 27, 2020 at 1:18 PM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or download to your favorite device.
> 
>     https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1
> 
>     Regards, Tony Drews
> 
>     On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
> 
>         > > Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer fund or whatever.
> >         Gary
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > 
> >             > > > On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced.  And I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that makes sense.  Everybody should have a copy of these   :-)
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             Scott (B.)
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> mailto:emanteno at comcast.net
> > >             Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
> > >             To: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net
> > >             Cc: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net ; Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> > >             Subject: Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
> > > > 
> > > >                  
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >             Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony has a couple of copies of the CD.  These treasures are not lost.
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             Irv Korey
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> > 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 27 22:51:47 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 23:51:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
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Jack came up with the lyrics.? They were somewhat honed at the track 
parties organized by William Severin Thompson the 3rd.? I miss those 
Thicko parties.? Eventually Bill Dalton invited Jack to come up to his 
place and record them in his studio.? All of the instruments in the 
songs are Bill Dalton.? I was surprised at how good a musicians my 
fellow racers are.? The Road America Blues lyrics immortalizes several 
of the group that hung out at those parties.

Regards, Tony

On 5/27/2020 11:36 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote:
> Oh my, oh my.? Thank you very much for sharing these songs, Tony.? 
> They are absolutely wonderful.? What a pleasure to hear them.? Who 
> wrote the lyrics?? Real treasures.? Really nice and smooth guitar too. 
> Hoagy Carmichael wrote Georgia, a great modern/classic.? This 
> arrangement, with appropriate lyrics is very enjoyable.? Again, thanks 
> for sharing these.? I will indeed download them and include them in my 
> shuffled music play list.
> When I was a kid attending Catholic school near Cleveland, Ohio, even 
> the nuns knew of Hoagy Carmichael, but I didn't at the time.? They 
> always mentioned him when I was introduced to them.
> I wish I had become involved in racing Triumphs a few years earlier. I 
> would have so enjoyed seeing and hearing these guys play during a race 
> weekend.? I'm sure that knowing Jack just a little would have been 
> really sweet too.
> "Porsches aren't allowed in heaven".
> Dave Hogye
>
>> On May 27, 2020 at 1:18 PM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here's a link to the 5 songs if you want to burn to CD yourself or 
>> download to your favorite device.
>>
>> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhrPHz1VzIBE8Q8Dclg6qYzsk-qR?e=DJl9x1
>>
>> Regards, Tony Drews
>>
>> On 5/27/2020 2:14 PM, Gary Schneider wrote:
>>> Second! I?d be more than happy to contribute to Tony?s team, beer 
>>> fund or whatever.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 27, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Barr, Scott <sbarr at mccarty-law.com> 
>>>> <mailto:sbarr at mccarty-law.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I?d be happy to buy a copy of the CD if it could be reproduced. And 
>>>> I?d be happy to help with the reproduction effort in any way that 
>>>> makes sense.? Everybody should have a copy of these ??:-)
>>>>
>>>> Scott (B.)
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> <mailto:emanteno at comcast.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:33 PM
>>>> *To:* Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net> 
>>>> <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> *Cc:* fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>; Barr, Scott 
>>>> <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> <mailto:sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] A good day at Blackhawk
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:27 PM Gary Schneider 
>>>> <garygret at sbcglobal.net <mailto:garygret at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Sadly I don't think anyone was clever enough at the time to
>>>>     record the great songs. It was before we all had smartphones in
>>>>     our pockets with a Terabyte of storage.
>>>>
>>>> Happy to say that there are some copies of these songs on CD. I 
>>>> have one of them somewhere, I think I know where it is. Plus Tony 
>>>> has a couple of copies of the CD.? These treasures are not lost.
>>>>
>>>> Irv Korey
>>>>
>>>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 29 10:06:01 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 16:06:01 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 5/29
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Good morning all. I'm looking for some help in this planning stuff. I'm trying to figure out paddock space and other things for the race weekend. With all the Covid-19 stuff going on I really don't have a handle on how many people are planning on showing up. I am asking that if you have registered for the race with SVRA and you are not planning on attending could you please shoot me an email direct at trmarty at hotmail.com and let me know? If you have already notified me no need to do it again. I don't want to turn this into an on line discussion about all the reasons for or against, just drop me a line so I can accommodate those that are coming in the best possible way.   I am still hoping to be able to give some meaningful updates in the next couple of weeks but so far the track has refused to comment to me. SVRA sent out that well thought out reply a week or so ago that I forwarded to you and I expect some additional details from them shortly.

Thanks,

Marty Sukey
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From dale.oesterle at gmail.com  Sat May 30 09:40:13 2020
From: dale.oesterle at gmail.com (Dale Oesterle)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 11:40:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Ohio
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The state yesterday extended the no-gathering over 10 order with a few narrow exceptions that do not seem to include an amateur race meeting.  

Dale Oesterle
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