From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 11:20:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 10:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <365796184.106641.1580525670756@mail.yahoo.com> References: <365796184.106641.1580525670756@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?m amazed they finally published it. It was originally scheduled to run around the Kastner Cup last year. Victory Lane usually wants 1000 words. I poured the whole thing out of my head and it was 4000 words! I had Kas do a read through to make sure I got the historical details right. Working on the little beastie right now. My head is back with some Jerry Barker magic in it. If only the driver could match the the potential of the car. I attended the University of VARA High Performance Driving School a couple of weeks ago. Perhaps that will help... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici... > > Very nice Brad Elles six page SPITFIRE article in Victory Lane this month. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Feb 2 13:13:29 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 13:13:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Palindrome Day-no TR content Message-ID: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net> My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo. Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Mon Feb 3 12:46:01 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 14:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> References: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. ---------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Feb 3 12:58:29 2020 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walt Hollowell) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2020 12:58:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> Message-ID: I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it.?Walt Hollowell?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? COTA seems to be fairly?midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks.? ? ? ? From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? ? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 13:35:22 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 14:35:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> References: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: FOT COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: > I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works > out. I'm looking forward to it. > Walt Hollowell > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Stephen Jones via Fot > Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis > Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? > > COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your > latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From*: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" > *Sent*: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM > *To*: fot at autox.team.net > *Subject*: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? > > On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT: > > > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant > Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > > > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to > get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the > 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Feb 3 13:43:48 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 13:43:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On 2/3/20 1:35 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > ? We will not be able to count on double digits participation?from > locals if you all want to come to Texas. I am pretty sure the cup event held at Miller Motorsports Park in Utah ( 2007 ) will hold the all time record for fewest entrants. mjb. From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Feb 3 19:54:57 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 20:54:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> I had the pleasure of running the new short course at eagles canyon in early December and it was amazing. We run the full course this spring and I?ll be sure to give a full report then. In any case, I?d love to help host at ECR next year. I?d help out at COTA or Hallet too. But my preference would be ECR then Hallet then COTA in that order. Yes I live in Austin, but I just prefer those two venues over COTA. Just my opinion. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT > > COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. > > The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: >> I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it. >> Walt Hollowell >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Stephen Jones via Fot >> Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) >> To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis >> Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? >> >> COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. >> >> >> >> From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" >> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? >> >> On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> > FOT: >> > >> > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) >> > >> > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? >> > >> > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. >> > >> > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. >> > >> If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to >> get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the >> 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Feb 4 07:27:12 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 14:27:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Message-ID: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it's winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: > > ? > Morning Membership, > > I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. > I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! > Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. > Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. > So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. > Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. > > > > > MARK CRAIG > Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 09:30:49 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 10:30:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup FOT ENTRY FEES. DONATIONS. SPONSORS Message-ID: <96495A11-68BD-4F14-9D5D-2333797D465E@gmail.com> FOT, Marty Sukey is using Kastner Cup Entries to negotiate paddock space and other features for the Kastner Cup. Big job. (Every Chair finds this out after it?s too late) ? Please get your SVRA Entries (free) and your FOT Entry Fees ($125) in. Check to JH Alexander to address below. PayPal to N197tr4 at cs.com Oh yes, we also have several DONATIONS....from the usual suspects. It?s always been that way. Some have sent an Entry Fee AND a Donation. Remarkable Group. We also have a few ?SPONSORS?: Moss Motors is sponsoring the Hospitality Tent and Robert Goldman and staff will be the HOSTS. JS Performance Motoring. Lanyards GoodParts. Cash WPTA. Peggy Kastner Performance Awards These folks have jumped in on their own. Everyone that has a commercial entity or Triumph Related Organization should have an equal opportunity to support the Kastner Cup. If you have any questions about this, please ask. We are not chasing down donations or sponsorships, but those contributions will add value to this, the most significant Kastner Cup, we have ever had. Thank you very much. Budget Guy Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Feb 4 11:38:18 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 11:38:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: References: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: <2460C35C-87BE-4173-8F83-6AEC1D55B12B@comcast.net> Literati, Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the mess below. Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the pricing but I learned a scary lesson. Bud > On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Amici, > > I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! > > Thanks again Mark! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Morning Membership, >> >> I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. >> I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! >> Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. >> Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. >> So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. >> Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MARK CRAIG >> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. >> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 >> www.dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Phone: 615-834-0066 >> Fax: 615-834-9923 >> Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Bud Rolofson [mailto:levilevi at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 12:38 PM To: Brad Eells Cc: DPPI - Mark Craig ; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Literati, Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the mess below. Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the pricing but I learned a scary lesson. Bud [cid:image006.jpg at 01D5DB58.5231AD50] On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Amici, I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! Thanks again Mark! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: ? Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 76204 bytes Desc: image006.jpg URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Tue Feb 4 15:59:04 2020 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 22:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Suppliers References: <340922054.360337.1580857144436.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> hello everyone, race season is around the corner and people be a building again - I have a small biz, Apex2Apex Motorsports, we're on FB and have a website - still building both. I have access to all kinds of things racey for cars, cells, drivers gear, restraints, plumbing, new gear drive starters for hundreds of cars,? clutches, brakes, fire systems and dozens if not hundreds of different manufacturers. Years ago I was the buyer at Pegasus and I have many open doors in the performance industry giving me good access. We do not stock much at this point but product is an email or call away. I will give a discount if possible, price match or better if possible. Email me, call me 847 840 7366 9am - 5pm central, or msg me via FB and I'll see if I can help. Last year Marty bought a Spit starter and was very happy with the quality and service. You too can do the same if you like. Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports LLC847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com ps: we'll be at the Chicago MG Swap Meet on 3/15 - stop on by and say hello a few of what I do keep on hand, (in small qty's) Flitz polish?Brit flags and stickers (over 100 diff countries avail) flag patches, lic plate, country ovalsWOSP starter (Spit only now)(others days away) one year warrantyThermoTec insulation, header wrapJet-Hot Ceramic coatings (I can facilitate your job)(as lifetime warranty)coming soon, neat tie downs (6ft, 6k rated, racing flags or brit/checkered flag imprinted) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 4 17:11:02 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 00:11:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Suppliers In-Reply-To: <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> References: <340922054.360337.1580857144436.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, his starters were a step up from my previous gear reduction starter at a better price. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 5:59 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Suppliers hello everyone, race season is around the corner and people be a building again - I have a small biz, Apex2Apex Motorsports, we're on FB and have a website - still building both. I have access to all kinds of things racey for cars, cells, drivers gear, restraints, plumbing, new gear drive starters for hundreds of cars, clutches, brakes, fire systems and dozens if not hundreds of different manufacturers. Years ago I was the buyer at Pegasus and I have many open doors in the performance industry giving me good access. We do not stock much at this point but product is an email or call away. I will give a discount if possible, price match or better if possible. Email me, call me 847 840 7366 9am - 5pm central, or msg me via FB and I'll see if I can help. Last year Marty bought a Spit starter and was very happy with the quality and service. You too can do the same if you like. Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports LLC 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com ps: we'll be at the Chicago MG Swap Meet on 3/15 - stop on by and say hello a few of what I do keep on hand, (in small qty's) Flitz polish Brit flags and stickers (over 100 diff countries avail) flag patches, lic plate, country ovals WOSP starter (Spit only now)(others days away) one year warranty ThermoTec insulation, header wrap Jet-Hot Ceramic coatings (I can facilitate your job)(as lifetime warranty) coming soon, neat tie downs (6ft, 6k rated, racing flags or brit/checkered flag imprinted) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 21:23:37 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 20:23:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... Message-ID: Hello Amici, You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 22:13:29 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 21:13:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <2b5922ef7cee4e52b4e9dc0c24e6f854@dieselperformanceparts.com> References: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> <2460C35C-87BE-4173-8F83-6AEC1D55B12B@comcast.net> <2b5922ef7cee4e52b4e9dc0c24e6f854@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: [image: IMG_2545 (Medium).JPG] Figured it was time to replace the 1970 fuel cell...Discovered the ATL 8 gallon was the exact same dimension except an inch taller. Used the original can with a 1 inch bar spacer...good to go! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:40 AM DPPI - Mark Craig < info at dieselperformanceparts.com> wrote: > YIKES, mine was bad but not that bad. > > > > [image: http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] > > > > > > *Mark Craig *Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > *From:* Bud Rolofson [mailto:levilevi at comcast.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 4, 2020 12:38 PM > *To:* Brad Eells > *Cc:* DPPI - Mark Craig ; > fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells > > > > > > Literati, > > > > Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been > driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but > it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t > know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the > mess below. > > > > Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the > box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the > pricing but I learned a scary lesson. > > > > Bud > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > > > Amici, > > > > I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! > > > > Thanks again Mark! > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Morning Membership, > > > > I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the > members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. > > I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members > as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on > the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! > > Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might > have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get > forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 > years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to > go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different > engines, different gears etc. etc. > > Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated > into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and > a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was > 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had > been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have > smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. > > So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL > makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a > fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make > your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or > shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. > > Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. > > > > > > > > > > > *MARK CRAIG *Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also a new welded aluminium tank, without foam in it, will pass. 2 years ago, someone in our championchip had a rather heavy accident in a race and the fuel poured out of his new aluminium tank : a welded seam had splitted. Luckily there was no fire. Iit was made of straight sheets of aluminium, simply welded where the pieces come together, without making any rims or fringes or any other reinforcements, a 70 litres tank, without foam in it! It had passed the technical control. I mean, the guys at the technical control should think about what is really safe and unsafe, instead of only applying the rules in the book. An ATL cell is safe and worth the money. 5 years validity is on the low side, I think. It can be sent to the factory and then they will extend the validity with 2 years, but it is cheaper to buy a new one : the check at the factory + post and package is almost 2/3 of the price of a new one. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" , fot-bounces at autox.team.net Verzonden: Dinsdag 4 februari 2020 15:27:12 Onderwerp: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. [ https://mail.telenet.be/zimbra/dieselperformanceparts.com ] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 [ http://www.dieselperformanceparts.com/ | www.dieselperformanceparts.com ] [ https://www.facebook.com/DieselPerformanceParts ] [ https://twitter.com/PerfectDiesel ] [ https://plus.google.com/u/0/104451046659790804057/posts ] [ http://www.linkedin.com/company/diesel-performance-parts-inc- ] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: [ mailto:mark at dieselperformanceparts.com | mark at dieselperformanceparts.com ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Feb 5 04:39:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 06:39:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fun! Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 06:01:16 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 08:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road Atlanta sounds like fun as well. mike h On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Fun! > Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale > for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both > Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the > race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road > Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken > Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale > too... > > Cheers, > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 5 21:15:22 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 23:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14F577B8-AA94-4E06-B766-C297AD0634E4@seiri.com> Wherever my old 1147 Spit has gotten to it has a Belden head... > On Feb 5, 2020, at 08:02, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road Atlanta sounds like fun as well. > > mike h > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Fun! >> Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Hello Amici, >>> >>> You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 >>> >>> My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. >>> >>> My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! >>> >>> Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Chino CA >>> #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 >>> #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 >>> 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just came across a set of Ferodo DS-11 compound, competition brake pads, for which I have no use.? I remember using the DS-11 compound, before I switched to Jag front brakes when SCCA allowed that in 1980 (Thanks to Group 44).? These are brand new pads, which I must have purchased as spares for the vintage TR-3 I built about 20 years ago.? These fit the first 2 generations of Triumph disk brake calipers.? They won't fit the TR-4 and later calipers (i.e they have no holes for retaining pins - see pictures).? If anyone has a use for these, make me an offer, and they're yours.? Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-30-20 - TR-3 Ferodo Competition Brake Pads1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2727718 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-30-20 - TR-3 Ferodo Competition Brake Pads2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2303861 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 21:07:46 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 20:07:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: <14F577B8-AA94-4E06-B766-C297AD0634E4@seiri.com> References: <14F577B8-AA94-4E06-B766-C297AD0634E4@seiri.com> Message-ID: All the Spitfires in the ARRC 1973 F Production Race are as follows - in order of finish 1. John Kelly 2. Rick Cline 3. Ken Slagle 13. John McCue DNF: Jim Gammon DNF: Doug Brown DNF: Ted Schumacher DNF: Gary Ouellette DNF: Joel Bender Where are they all now? Kelly, Cline, Slagle, Brown, Schumacher cars known to survive...how about the rest? Wonder how much horsepower Group 44 got out of that 1500 with a single Stromberg on it? Gotta love history! 2023 Cage Match at Road Atlanta?? *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:15 PM robert bownes via Fot wrote: > Wherever my old 1147 Spit has gotten to it has a Belden head... > > On Feb 5, 2020, at 08:02, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road > Atlanta sounds like fun as well. > > mike h > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > >> Fun! >> Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Hello Amici, >> >> You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale >> for a cool $40K. >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 >> >> My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. >> Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly >> won the race. >> >> My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road >> Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! >> >> Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken >> Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale >> too... >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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" Cheers, Tony D -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs For everyone's info.? This is a fun one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 07:40:03 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 08:40:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. Message-ID: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> FOT: Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 162204 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. See you there..... Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Feb 8 08:00:53 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Message-ID: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. See you there. Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. JVV From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 8 08:34:19 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. In-Reply-To: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> References: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <330A3B2A-163D-437D-9AEE-CB9BABDE2213@aol.com> Thank you to the core FOT team for making all of this come together! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! > > And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. > > SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. > > Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ > > > THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. > > See you there..... > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 8 08:34:19 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. In-Reply-To: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> References: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <330A3B2A-163D-437D-9AEE-CB9BABDE2213@aol.com> Thank you to the core FOT team for making all of this come together! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! > > And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. > > SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. > > Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ > > > THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. > > See you there..... > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 9 09:44:10 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Stuff to Get Rid of References: <1719626149.479205.1581266650120.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1719626149.479205.1581266650120@mail.yahoo.com> Toward the end of my racing career, I started using lightened Wrist Pins (Gudgeon Pins for you British.? Not to get too far off the track, but I always loved where the workshop manual describes the process called "Reaming the Gudgeon Pin Bush".? Maybe it's just me, but there must be a sexual connotation there someplace).? OK, back to the subject at hand.... My intention, of course, was to lighten the reciprocating mass in my TR-4 engine.? I found a guy in Quincy, IL who could have these lightened pins made up for me, and I ordered 2 sets.? By this time in my career, I was only running 4 or 5 races a year, just enough to get qualified for The Runoffs, and The Runoffs itself.? I ran these in both of my engines for a few years, then I bought 2 more sets to replace them in both engines.? These are the pins I replaced, and therefore, they do not have much track time on them. Externally, they are the same size as the stock wrist pins.? However, the wall thickness is only .87", compared to the stock wall thickness of about .161"? Thus the reduction in weight is considerable, with the stock pin weighing 143.4 grams, while the lightened pin weighs only 86.6 grams.? Multiply that difference times 4, and you have a total reduction of 227.2 grams of reciprocating mass.? And the good news is that I will let them go for only $25 plus shipping. ? Anyone interested? If no one is interested, I will put these on Ebay in about a week.? Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 9 11:29:16 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:29:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Tee Shirts Message-ID: <34F1BBD498CD438C8B05907012D74FA2@UserTHINK> 2020 Kastner Cup event Tee-Shirts, I?m starting early and often. Once again, I?ve agreed to coordinate the Tee-Shirt for this years event at Mid-Ohio. To develop pricing I need a show of interest and how many you?d like. The shirt will have a modified event poster as the artwork, (image attached) 100% cotton. Same quality as the 2018 shirts at Pitt-Race. Minimum quantity is 50 and based upon previous years this should be easy to attain. Initial price estimate is between $21.50 and $22 dollars, perhaps a bit lower if we can get to 100 shirts. Sizes available are small to 3X large (larger than 2X will cost an additional $4.00 however). Color will be a color called sand and all will be the same. If you have the 2019 Buttonwillow shirt it?s the same color as those. Very nice shirt. The shirt will have drivers names listed on the back and Drivers will have Driver printed on the sleeve. $1.00 extra fee for the sleeve printing. So please respond with your level of interest and how many you?d like. Indicate size and if Driver needs to be placed on the sleeve ASAP. If you will not attend but want a shirt; mailing will be extra and to be determined at this point. Prepayment will be required as I need the cash before I order the shirts. Payment will be accepted via Pay-Pal or a check. Payment details later. Cut off date for orders will be early May unless the printer needs more time. Delivery will be at Mid-Ohio during the event or mailed if not attending. I will advise final price and when payments are due based upon pre-order quantity sometime around the middle of April. WPTA Members can pick up at WPTA events. I?ll keep a record, need your name and e-mail address. Questions? Email me. Thanks, Jerry Van Vlack aka JVV jerryvv at roadrunner.com. That?s jerry v v and not a w in the email address.Yes it happens. WPTA Member and long time FOT supporter via WPTA?s involvement. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Feb 10 06:51:41 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:51:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 10 07:05:03 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <742845365.594104.1581343503175@mail.yahoo.com> We played around with rocker ratios on a computer simulation of a TR4 engine. ?The added lift increased max HP by about 3 HP peak. ?Low end (under about 3500 rpm) torque was actually reduced a very small amount. ?If the TR6 results were similar, probably not worth the hassle of added valve spring issues and reduced valve guide length (greater valve guide wear). For what it's worth.... Phil -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Michael Zbarsky Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Panorama - Bathurst Message-ID: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Feb 10 13:33:56 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:33:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] V8 Supercars at Mt. Panorama - Bathurst In-Reply-To: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: ? https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Feb 10 13:43:16 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 06:43:16 +1000 Subject: [Fot] V8 Supercars at Mt. Panorama - Bathurst In-Reply-To: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: we just had the "liquid-moly" 12 hour GT race there. A few guys came from USA to race A bunch of triumph club members go each year. its a hoot of a track to race on. we managed to get it for a closed triumph club event about 15 years ago. terry o'beirne On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:18 AM Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: > https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY > > Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. > This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. > Enjoy! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Feb 10 13:52:42 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 06:52:42 +1000 Subject: [Fot] V8 Supercars at Mt. Panorama - Bathurst In-Reply-To: References: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: i beg to differ, BTCC runs on mostly flat or near flat tracks and biff and barge is expected. Mt Panorama at bathurst is on the bucket list for most serious racers. Until you have run there , you cant appreciate the speed over the top of the mountain, followed by the fall, then the run down con-rod straight into the "chase" which looks like a gentle sweep on TV, but is dam near a right hand turn when you hit it in a triumph doing +120MPH. even the european guys who come here say its iconic and totally different to anything they have , except for parts of Spa and Nurburgring Terry On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:34 AM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY > > Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. > This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. > Enjoy! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Feb 10 13:53:19 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:53:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] V8 Supercars at Mt. Panorama - Bathurst In-Reply-To: References: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> , Message-ID: <67D77F6B-3BC9-44AA-9D97-5BBE92209E5B@mhc-law.com> Not talking about the track, but the close racing... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: ? i beg to differ, BTCC runs on mostly flat or near flat tracks and biff and barge is expected. Mt Panorama at bathurst is on the bucket list for most serious racers. Until you have run there , you cant appreciate the speed over the top of the mountain, followed by the fall, then the run down con-rod straight into the "chase" which looks like a gentle sweep on TV, but is dam near a right hand turn when you hit it in a triumph doing +120MPH. even the european guys who come here say its iconic and totally different to anything they have , except for parts of Spa and Nurburgring Terry On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:34 AM John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot > wrote: ? https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! 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URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Feb 10 14:00:18 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:00:18 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: when i last flowed our race head, we got steady increases up to 0.550" lift. its easy enough to spot face the spring base on the head to use longer springs Terry On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 11:52 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will > be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 10 17:07:06 2020 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:07:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <677DCFD5-A037-4534-993D-B8CD67ECB0CE@optusnet.com.au> Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 11 08:56:37 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 10:56:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Tee Shirts. 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We both get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 15:27:09 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:27:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> Looks like it?s down for whatever reason. Little activity on the Facebook page as well? Maybe time for a social media revisit? Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > A street Triumph driver was asking me if this was still up. We both get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Feb 11 16:22:36 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:22:36 +1000 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> References: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> Message-ID: ive not seen any on FOT FB page for months. was not aware of the other one i'll dig out & post a few pics of racing triumphs here in OZ just to get come activity terry On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:27 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Looks like it?s down for whatever reason. Little activity on the Facebook > page as well? > > Maybe time for a social media revisit? > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > > > ? > > A street Triumph driver was asking me if this was still up. 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We both > get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Feb 11 18:23:07 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 01:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 12 01:22:08 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 01:22:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41aea74b-6cc0-8588-594b-0dabb7f81cdd@bradakis.com> On 2/11/20 4:35 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > Henry Frye > still making this stuff work after all these years... I hear that! mjb. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Feb 11 22:50:21 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:50:21 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thanks Richard some folks might like to read this link https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html I disagree with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger diameter core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more flexibility when regrinding. You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a change of 0.100" in lifter diameter (a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak velocity. Changing the lifter diameter is not for the feint-hearted, especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block to promote lifter rotation. It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment Terry O'Beirne Road and Track enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au ph 0428 815 117 On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot wrote: > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing > the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of > a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for > too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the > lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. > However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, > increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that > valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach > desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can > open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 > rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve > about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of > time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a > huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with > a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would > decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. > Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out > for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period > caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. > Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable > performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. > I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep > the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne < > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will > be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 12 01:33:43 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:33:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2089397276.66746715.1581496423688.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World. Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Feb 12 08:07:52 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quiet_Birdmen_-_Wikipedia=2E_______Ref=3A_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFNpbGVudCBIb3JzZW1lbuKAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <719468389.2086136.1581520072513@mail.yahoo.com> Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots). It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster! Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? > > FOT: > If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: > > Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen. Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. > > For the most part we have succeeded in being that. > > With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?. Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. > > However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?. They said it couldn?t be done. > > So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World. Something to be proud of, methinks. > > Please read the link below: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s good to revisit the concept. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: ? Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 08:48:52 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:48:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quiet_Birdmen_-_Wikipedia=2E_______Ref=3A_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFNpbGVudCBIb3JzZW1lbuKAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1065324772.2097752.1581522303194@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1065324772.2097752.1581522303194@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DFA58F7-8651-4973-874B-6AC6482794DC@gmail.com> We should come up with Membership Cards like the QBs, but that requires an organization. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:45 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: > > ? > Very cool, Joe. And a good model for FOT as well. Now I see Henry's reference was to the Horsemen. Thanks!- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > To: kkjjk > Cc: FOT > Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 10:24 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? > > Jay, I have been a member since the 60s. Very quietly. > > Henry?s reference was to the ?silent horsemen?. But I knew what he meant. I got a kick out of that. Anyway, we have kind of a model for the FOT. > > It?s good to revisit the concept. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: >>> >> ? >> Joe- Thanks for the information. I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen. Was it a recent email? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots). It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster! Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Alexander via Fot >> To: fot >> Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am >> Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? >> >> FOT: >> If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: >> >> Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen. Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. >> >> For the most part we have succeeded in being that. >> >> With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?. Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. >> >> However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?. 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And a good model for FOT as well.? Now I see Henry's reference was to the Horsemen.? Thanks!-? -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: kkjjk Cc: FOT Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? Jay, I have been a member since the 60s. ?Very quietly. Henry?s reference was to the ?silent horsemen?. But I knew what he meant. I got a kick out of that. Anyway, we have kind of a model for the FOT.? It?s good to revisit the concept. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: ? Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Wed Feb 12 09:25:10 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,?dare I answer this...Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher.?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation ?7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 12 11:19:58 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:19:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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Is that still the case? > > Ed > > > > Edward Dunn > President > > Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. > 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 > Sammamish, WA 98029 > > 425-526-7566 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 12:16:51 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:16:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com> References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? Ed Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Feb 12 12:32:09 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:32:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> Ken G. Would be upset if you don?t include drag racing.... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? Ed Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Feb 12 12:32:13 2020 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:32:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FoT Message-ID: Nice. Be cool to see a Triumph rallying... Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 [cid:image002.jpg at 01D5E198.11A1E980] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14632 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 12:43:56 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:43:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com>, <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: ?and perhaps use in aircraft? (see Monty Python Cut-Price Airline sketch) From: John H. Hasty Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:32 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: Joe Alexander ; Edward Dunn ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Ken G. Would be upset if you don?t include drag racing.... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: ? I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot > On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? 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As a side note, some of the MGA?s (not all of them, but just a few years) had a special electrical box of some kind under the bonnet that allowed three functions using the two filaments in the rear outer lamp assemblies. I first noticed this when I saw an MGA with just the outer assembly (no brake light in the center), similar to our TR2?s and 3?s, and it had the standard two filament bulb on each side. I asked the owner how he got three functions with only two filaments and he shrugged his shoulders. He had the wiring diagram with him so I looked it over and it?s a solid state (I think) or electro-mechanical black box device that allows a dual function for one of the filaments. I?m guessing that it was the brakes and turn signals on the same filament, but not sure. Still, it was pretty slick. I was more curious than anything so I never looked into it further. That was a few years ago. Mike Hado From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:03 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Technical Question Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake pedal is depressed? Originally, these cars were wired so that the brake light was in the same fixture as the license plate lamp. Only one lamp - a safety issue. I have heard of people re-wiring it so that the outer lamps (tail lights) also come on when the brake pedal is depressed (like the later TR-3's). Does anyone know how to wire it to make this happen? Thanks for your help. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhado at att.net Wed Feb 12 12:47:32 2020 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:47:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009e01d5e1dd$4501de30$cf059a90$@att.net> Jack, I had a 55 TR3 with the lights as you described. I put a separate small red LED (pretty bright, actually) inside the lens of each of the outer fixtures. I got them from a local electronics store. I epoxied it to the base and wired it in parallel with the existing center brake light. It was pretty easy to do and the result was three brake lights that came on at the same time. The regular dual filament bulb still worked as normal with the parking light and turn signal. As a side note, some of the MGA?s (not all of them, but just a few years) had a special electrical box of some kind under the bonnet that allowed three functions using the two filaments in the rear outer lamp assemblies. I first noticed this when I saw an MGA with just the outer assembly (no brake light in the center), similar to our TR2?s and 3?s, and it had the standard two filament bulb on each side. I asked the owner how he got three functions with only two filaments and he shrugged his shoulders. He had the wiring diagram with him so I looked it over and it?s a solid state (I think) or electro-mechanical black box device that allows a dual function for one of the filaments. I?m guessing that it was the brakes and turn signals on the same filament, but not sure. Still, it was pretty slick. I was more curious than anything so I never looked into it further. That was a few years ago. Mike Hado From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:03 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Technical Question Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake pedal is depressed? Originally, these cars were wired so that the brake light was in the same fixture as the license plate lamp. Only one lamp - a safety issue. I have heard of people re-wiring it so that the outer lamps (tail lights) also come on when the brake pedal is depressed (like the later TR-3's). Does anyone know how to wire it to make this happen? Thanks for your help. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Feb 12 13:09:17 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:09:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as tail, stop and turn. You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to the relays.) -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Wheeler via Fot > Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake > light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when > the brake pedal is depressed? From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 16:11:25 2020 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:11:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as > tail, stop and turn. > > You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to > connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). > However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two > relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 > relays. Here's a brief schematic > https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg > > FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the > original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of > sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket > together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the > control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light > switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a > mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) > > The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. > (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've > decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to > the relays.) > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> Jack Wheeler via Fot > >> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake >> light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when >> the brake pedal is depressed? > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Feb 12 16:14:54 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as >> tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to >> connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two >> relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 >> relays. Here's a brief schematic >> https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of >> sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket >> together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the >> control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light >> switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a >> mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've >> decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to >> the relays.) >> >> -- Randall >> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >>> Jack Wheeler via Fot >> >>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake >>> light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when >>> the brake pedal is depressed? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 16:20:57 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:20:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> , <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I understood 31% of the words in Bill's post. Isn't The MOSFETS a Moroccan street gang? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM To: Ponostyle Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >> duty as tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with >> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >> re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out >> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >> pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >> the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, >> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >> original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. 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From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> Terry, True.? The original cams do not have very large lobes to work with.? Re-grinding to a higher lift requires reduction of the base circle radius which also reduces all of the radii in the profile.? Any cam profile has a minimum recommended base circle radius in order to maintain an acceptable radius at all points on the profile.? The smallest radius may actually be on either side of the tip but it is easier to visualize if you think of having, let's say a healthy .200" radius at the tip when the base circle is at .60" radius.? If you grind that profile onto a small core that requires grinding the base circle to .40", the radius at the tip will now be zero.? The new chilled iron semi-finished cams with un-finished lobes offer much more meat to work with and harder material than the original cams. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Enquiries Road & Track wrote: thanks Richard some folks might like to read this link?https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html? ? I disagree?with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger diameter?core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more flexibility when regrinding.?? You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a? change of 0.100"? in lifter diameter?(a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak velocity. Changing the lifter diameter?is not for the feint-hearted, especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block to promote lifter rotation.? It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment Terry O'Beirne ? ? ? ? Road and Trackenquiries at roadandtrack.net.au ph 0428 815 117 On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot wrote: Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? 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URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Feb 12 15:57:52 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 08:57:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: interesting comment re newer cam blanks i got some 6 cyl ones recently and they are hard as XXXXX. and the cast iron appearance is unbelievably rough...yes, agree, they have much bigger cores and base circles. I suspect they are of turkish origin. it looks like an original cam had each lobe widened a bit (crudely) and then a mould was made. i dont have a cam grinder in my shop, but my local cam man also commented on the hardness On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:15 AM Richard Good wrote: > Terry, > > True. The original cams do not have very large lobes to work with. > Re-grinding to a higher lift requires reduction of the base circle radius > which also reduces all of the radii in the profile. Any cam profile has a > minimum recommended base circle radius in order to maintain an acceptable > radius at all points on the profile. The smallest radius may actually be > on either side of the tip but it is easier to visualize if you think of > having, let's say a healthy .200" radius at the tip when the base circle is > at .60" radius. If you grind that profile onto a small core that requires > grinding the base circle to .40", the radius at the tip will now be zero. > > The new chilled iron semi-finished cams with un-finished lobes offer much > more meat to work with and harder material than the original cams. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Enquiries Road & Track < > enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote: > thanks Richard > > some folks might like to read this link > https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html > > I disagree with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot > always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding > below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early > 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part > of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger > diameter core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more > flexibility when regrinding. > > You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the > peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a change of 0.100" > in lifter diameter (a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak > velocity. Changing the lifter diameter is not for the feint-hearted, > especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block > to promote lifter rotation. > > It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment > > Terry O'Beirne > > > > > > > Road and Track > enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > ph 0428 815 117 > > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot > wrote: > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing > the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of > a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for > too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the > lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. > However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, > increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that > valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach > desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can > open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 > rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve > about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of > time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a > huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with > a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would > decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. > Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out > for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period > caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. > Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable > performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. > I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep > the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne < > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will > be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Feb 12 18:37:20 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 20:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. That's about all I know about MOSFETs! Cheers Bill On 2/12/2020 6:20 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > I understood 31% of the words in Bill's post. Isn't The MOSFETS a Moroccan street gang? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of John H. Hasty via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM > To: Ponostyle > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question > > Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. >> >>> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >>> >>> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >>> duty as tail, stop and turn. >>> >>> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >>> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >>> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with >>> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >>> re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >>> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >>> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >>> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >>> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >>> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out >>> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >>> pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >>> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >>> the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, >>> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >>> original hydraulic one.) >>> >>> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >>> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. 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Huovinen) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 03:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <75879936.2465726.1581564834652@mail.yahoo.com> Scott, I think I found Bill's FOT post on youtube:?https://youtu.be/MXW0bx_Ooq4 Check it out! hahahahaha M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott via Fot To: John H. Hasty ; Ponostyle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question I understood 31% of the words in Bill's post.? Isn't The MOSFETS a Moroccan street gang? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM To: Ponostyle Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32.? The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >> duty as tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays.? Initial conversion was done with >> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >> re-did it with 3 relays.? Here's a brief schematic >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness.? The relays are mounted under the dash, out >> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >> pocket together.? A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >> the brake light switch.? (Which in my case is still under the dash, >> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >> original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping.? But >> I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects >> to wire to the relays.) >> >> -- Randall >> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack >>> Wheeler via Fot >> >>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light >>> so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake >>> pedal is depressed? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. >> fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca02ecb125 >> 5364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C >> 637171461142229208&sdata=v0eVngUTxGR%2B1vd%2FGJT783PtZGJNuPRW00CZ >> lS7Pd2U%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Donate: >> 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URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Feb 12 22:19:03 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 21:19:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> > Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. > That's about all I know about MOSFETs! MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only logic level outputs. They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake light in this (very brief) video https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located inside the center brake light. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 13 05:42:56 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> Message-ID: <528e34ab-639a-5214-3e06-20d73f8e53b0@verizon.net> Great description; thanks. Bill On 2/13/2020 12:19 AM, Randall wrote: >> Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. >> That's about all I know about MOSFETs! > MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control > element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input > resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only > logic level outputs. > > They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making > them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got > for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available > that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). > > Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake > light in this (very brief) video > https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ > > But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks > are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple > is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs > and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located > inside the center brake light. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 13 05:42:56 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> Message-ID: <528e34ab-639a-5214-3e06-20d73f8e53b0@verizon.net> Great description; thanks. Bill On 2/13/2020 12:19 AM, Randall wrote: >> Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. >> That's about all I know about MOSFETs! > MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control > element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input > resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only > logic level outputs. > > They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making > them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got > for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available > that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). > > Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake > light in this (very brief) video > https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ > > But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks > are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple > is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs > and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located > inside the center brake light. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 10:29:01 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 09:29:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Message-ID: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Hello Amici, > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your > experience has been? > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > Thanks! > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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High revving meaning over 6000 regularly. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh > as part of screens and windage trays in other engines > > Terry > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > >> Hello Amici, >> >> I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what >> your experience has been? >> >> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html >> >> They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html? They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! [Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html? They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 21:18:51 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 20:18:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544@mail.yahoo.com> References: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92A755EA-F806-4E56-BA42-A9BB8DE7CE3E@gmail.com> I have discovered that beyond 8K is bad for my engine. Gotta pay attention on those downshifts going into T2 at Buttonwillow... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Thank goodness my motor doesn't rev beyond 6k > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626thank good.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Thursday, February 13, 2020, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > I devoted eight pages to this device in my third book starting on page 108 for those with a copy, "Racing, Winning and other Myths". On any high revving racing engine I always thought a "must". High revving meaning over 6000 regularly. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: > have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines > > Terry > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Hello Amici, > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > Thanks! > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Feb 14 14:13:28 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:13:28 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: i'm happy to send out pics of my 6 cyl crank scraper and windage tray if anyone is interested Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck WATSON via Fot wrote: > I always enjoy Chris?s posts. I know he?s fast. If he were a billiards > player would he be considered a shark? > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM > *To:* fot at autox. team. net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > > My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for > sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. > > I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. > > > > I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. > > That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts > which makes the car easier to run. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Brad Eells via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 > *An:* fot > *Betreff:* [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > > > Hello Amici, > > > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your > experience has been? > > > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > *Brad Eells* > > *Chino CA* > > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > *[image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If he were a billiards >> player would he be considered a shark? >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM >> *To:* fot at autox. team. net >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? >> >> >> My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for >> sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. >> >> I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. >> >> >> >> I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. >> >> That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the >> parts which makes the car easier to run. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Brad Eells via >> Fot >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 >> *An:* fot >> *Betreff:* [Fot] Crank Scrapers? >> >> >> >> Hello Amici, >> >> >> >> I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what >> your experience has been? >> >> >> >> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html >> >> >> >> They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> >> *Chino CA* >> >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> *[image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I'm not after winning, I'm going for a good fight and don't care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck WATSON Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 01:12 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? I always enjoy Chris's posts. I know he's fast. If he were a billiards player would he be considered a shark? Get Outlook for iOS _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I'm always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That's why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 14 14:40:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:40:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: , <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01d5e37f$6441e710$2cc5b530$@gmail.com> Thank Scott, I'm below average at Pool Billiard. Not my kind of game. And racing is just practice. The more you drive, the more you analyze your driving in a honest way the better you get. I've met people who think they're great drivers but aren't, they are unable to progress. They are doing wrong for years and most of the time give up one day. Drivers who has doubts about their performance and don't blame the car are on the right way for getting great. Cheers Chris Von: Barr, Scott Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 22:35 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: RE: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? American English metaphor - "pool shark" is a person very good at pool (billiards), but quiet about it so as to be able to surprise an opponent and take his money. From: Fot > On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 3:30 PM To: 'fot at autox. team. net' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I'm more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result - the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I'm not after winning, I'm going for a good fight and don't care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck WATSON > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 01:12 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? I always enjoy Chris's posts. I know he's fast. If he were a billiards player would he be considered a shark? Get Outlook for iOS _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I'm always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That's why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 14 16:42:34 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:42:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> References: , <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris speaks the truth. QB Henry ~~~ On 2020-02-14 16:30, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to > keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best > between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the > driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 > hp more out of an engine. From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 14 16:58:15 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 23:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal References: <670118127.3366487.1581724695155.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <670118127.3366487.1581724695155@mail.yahoo.com> I have worked on British Cars (mostly TR-3's and 4's) all my life.? Until now, I have successfully avoided working on Stromberg carburetors.? Recently a friend who knows I work on British cars, asked me if I could rebuild a carb on a Spitfire he was working on.? For some crazy reason, I accepted this challenge.? It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the year of the car). I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston.? The only manuals I have for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in constant changes to the carburetors.? So far, I have removed the piston and diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose.? Then, I removed the set screw in the side of the piston.? Now, the whole needle assembly turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it.? But, it won't come out.? Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? Thanks for any ideas you can give me.? Also, can anyone recommend a manual for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the > year of the car). > > I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston. The only manuals I have > for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, > especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of > production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in > constant changes to the carburetors. So far, I have removed the piston and > diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise > for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose. Then, I removed > the set screw in the side of the piston. Now, the whole needle assembly > turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it. But, it > won't come out. Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck > real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? > > Thanks for any ideas you can give me. Also, can anyone recommend a manual > for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 890747 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Feb 14 21:32:11 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:32:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. > > I?m more about effort. > > Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, > making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. > > Saving resources and money. > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to > keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best > between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the > driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 > hp more out of an engine. > > The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have > about 30-40 cars on the track. > > Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then > there is the car in front you want to overtake. > > That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in > mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. > > I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much > about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. > > Cheers > > Chris > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 15 01:08:35 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 09:08:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my car in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? This is a wrong idea : it is not about or/or/or... but about and/and/and. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I?m more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm looking for a weight saving in the race car and at the same time getting rid of some 50 year old bits that look decidedly tatty as the chrome is all bubbling from core metal breakdown > > thanks > > Terry > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 15 05:09:22 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire/gt6 door handles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71A40CF4-0462-451A-9AA2-C0CCC504F22D@aol.com> Terry: If you have a part number or a picture, I might be able to help. I have some NOS door handjes, some in their Stanparts boxes, but being a TR4 guy, I don?t know what they fit. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2020, at 4:40 AM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: > > ? > does anyone know of a plastic replacement for the die cast original inside door opening and window winder handles ??. i'm guessing the square "peg" drive is common to other cars of the era and my recollection is BMC 1100's and such had the same. I'm looking for a weight saving in the race car and at the same time getting rid of some 50 year old bits that look decidedly tatty as the chrome is all bubbling from core metal breakdown > > thanks > > Terry > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Feb 15 05:56:18 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal References: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961@mail.yahoo.com> Leave the setscrew in the side loose, in order to locate & keep the needle from turning, until the little internal allen screw is unscrewed, then remove the setscrew and pull the needle out.It may require pliers if it has been in there for awhile.You can then tap the allen screw and funky washer out from bottom to top with a 1/4 punch.Don't forget to replace the little O-ring that seals the dashpot.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2020 7:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal I have worked on British Cars (mostly TR-3's and 4's) all my life.? Until now, I have successfully avoided working on Stromberg carburetors.? Recently a friend who knows I work on British cars, asked me if I could rebuild a carb on a Spitfire he was working on.? For some crazy reason, I accepted this challenge.? It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the year of the car). I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston.? The only manuals I have for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in constant changes to the carburetors.? So far, I have removed the piston and diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose.? Then, I removed the set screw in the side of the piston.? Now, the whole needle assembly turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it.? But, it won't come out.? Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? Thanks for any ideas you can give me.? Also, can anyone recommend a manual for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Feb 15 07:06:53 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal In-Reply-To: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17073ccc-bb9d-a5d5-b754-77b24881b4e6@bradakis.com> On 2/15/20 5:56 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > You can then tap the allen screw and funky washer out from bottom to > top with a 1/4 punch. > Don't forget to replace the little O-ring that seals the dashpot. Driving that "funky washer" down the bore can cause some scratching, a little emory cloth can help clean things up. mjb. From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 15 12:49:40 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Thanks! References: <1741946487.3616845.1581796180351.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1741946487.3616845.1581796180351@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to all of you who replied to my query about getting the needle out of the piston on a Stromberg carb.? We have a lot of smart people in this group, and people who know where to find answers to questions like mine.? Following everybody's help, and reviewing the links that I was passed, I was able to get it apart with no casualties, either to me, or to the carb. Best Regards. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 15 13:28:13 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:28:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> No Kas, I'm well aware of it. Without you, I would have been sort of desperate, thanks to you I know how to proceed out of my bad times, racingwise, of the past 2 years! Marcel Van: "Kas Kastner" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 19:15:43 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? You forgot who talked you into this decision. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:08 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my car in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? This is a wrong idea : it is not about or/or/or... but about and/and/and. Marcel Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I?m more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com ] BQ_END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Feb 15 15:54:44 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Hi Guys I just read an article in Runners World written by an older woman; probably 60 or so. We used to chase PR's : Personal Records. Now the author says she chases PV's; Personal Victories. I once ran a 5K in 20:03 on my 51st birthday. 20 years ago. I'll never come close to that time again but I still feel that "finishing vertically" is? a PV and accomplishment in a foot or bike race. Even more so in a triathlon. Same with the vintage racing: I'll never win a race but just being out there with the other guys is still fun.? Also skiing: 30 years ago I could ski with about anyone but took 25 years off. Life kind of got in the way. Took up skiing again a couple years ago: can't turn 'em like I used to but having fun. Name of the game. Cheers Bill On 2/15/2020 3:28 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > No Kas, I'm well aware of it. Without you, I would have been sort of > desperate, thanks to you I know how to proceed out of my bad times, > racingwise, of the past 2 years! > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Kas Kastner" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 19:15:43 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > You forgot who talked you into this decision. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:08 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > > wrote: > > Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm > surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 > yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took > race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and > because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely > righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But > like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win > (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning > feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and > just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my > car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is > not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I > should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times > overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and > British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years > I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, > but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race > driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my > car? in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us > will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If > I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for > me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? > Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? > This is a wrong idea : it is not about? or/or/or... but about > and/and/and. > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > > *Aan: *"fot" > > *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! > > - Tony Drews > > On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. > > I?m more about effort. > > Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for > business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with > a minimum of effort. > > Saving resources and money. > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I > try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work > best between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in > the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to > squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. > > The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You > have about 30-40 cars on the track. > > Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you > and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. > > That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting > yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. > > I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t > care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdment at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 10:58:24 2020 From: jdment at yahoo.com (Jim McAndrew) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 17:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR 250 References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> There is a TR 250 for sale at ClassicCars.com. Car is located in Great Falls, Virginia. For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia | | | | | | | | | | | For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia Find classic cars, collector cars and vintage muscle cars on ClassicCars.com. Search, sell or buy and Drive You... | | | Pretty pricey but seems to have some nice modifications (hopefully to make it more fun and reliable). Before I contact the seller- does anyone have any back story or know any more information on this car? I contacted the Capitol Triumph Register president about the car- they knew about the car but the owner wasn't a member of their club. 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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 11:36:29 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <633120690.2982320.1581964589533@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - That's def. throttle body fuel injection on that car. I think the estimate of remaining TR250's is on the very low side. They are not that rare, IMHO. That's not to say they aren't kool, though. I find it interesting that folks over-restore and then try to sell the car as original/restored. Maybe that's just me. But this car doesn't even have "bumblebee" hoses. Crumudgenly yours,Bob Lang On Monday, February 17, 2020, 1:11:00 PM EST, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Wow, $55,000 for a 250?? It does seem quite nice.? Wonder if it has Stromberg carbs as mentioned in the description or fuel injection as mentioned in the description? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 11:44:36 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:44:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration Message-ID: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> FOT: Kas says, ?where are all the entries??....especially his West Coast Guys. We know you are coming. Marty is still negotiating Real Estate in the Paddock. Please help him out. Kathy Swinford of SVRA is standing by to help you with your registration. (Neil Revington sent her a message and received a response in 15 minutes. Neil was very impressed). You can call her, too. See the SVRA website: SVRA.COM. Oh yes, don?t forget your FOT Entry Fee of $125.00. Some are sending more $ as a donation. We are accepting donations, too. We have some Sponsors: WPTA. Peggy Kastner Class Win Awards JS Performance Motors. Lanyards Richard Good. Cash ARE/Gasket Innovations SVRA. Free Entry. We are beginning to hear from some Clubs, too. Anyway, we are working on the budget and starting to spend money. Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 11:54:15 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:54:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Jim, It's been a long time since we've seen you at a race track. Do you still have that incredible TR3? Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01 PM Jim McAndrew via Fot wrote: > There is a TR 250 for sale at ClassicCars.com. Car is located in Great > Falls, Virginia. > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > Find classic cars, collector cars and vintage muscle cars on > ClassicCars.com. Search, sell or buy and Drive You... > > > > Pretty pricey but seems to have some nice modifications (hopefully to make > it more fun and reliable). > > Before I contact the seller- does anyone have any back story or know any > more information on this car? > > I contacted the Capitol Triumph Register president about the car- they > knew about the car but the owner wasn't a member of their club. > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > Tyler, Texas > 903-780-1319 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 17 13:04:29 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration In-Reply-To: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> References: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <666748827.3032954.1581969869178@mail.yahoo.com> HEY AMICI! It's understandable that you would be concerned about your car not running due to unforeseen um, issues at earlier events. ?But it's worth not going to other events to make sure you are at this one!!! ?2018 was my first Kastner Cup and I had a blast! ?And last year's Triumph Tribute race put on by SVRA at Watkins Glen was unparalleled. SVRA can really put on a great event. ?Met some really nice folks, too! ?And where else can you get a race weekend for $100 or, even better, for free? Time to sign up so our colleagues who are doing the heavy lifting know what they have to work with! Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot ; Kathy Swinford ; kaskastner Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 1:45 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration FOT: Kas says, ?where are all the entries??....especially his West Coast Guys. We know you are coming. Marty is still negotiating Real Estate in the Paddock. Please help him out. Kathy Swinford of SVRA is standing by to help you with your registration. (Neil Revington sent her a message and received a response in 15 minutes. Neil was very impressed). You can call her, too.? See the SVRA website: SVRA.COM. Oh yes, don?t forget your FOT Entry Fee of $125.00.? Some are sending more $ as a donation. We are accepting donations, too. We have some Sponsors: WPTA. Peggy Kastner Class Win Awards JS Performance Motors.? Lanyards Richard Good.? Cash ARE/Gasket Innovations SVRA.? ? Free Entry. We are beginning to hear from some Clubs, too. Anyway, we are working on the budget and starting to spend money. Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Feb 17 17:49:50 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:49:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, where have you been Jim? Is this an unrequited or lost love? I've restored my 250 since I've seen you. It was about $30,000 even though I (with help) did much of the work. It is completely stock. I never had the money to soup it up, so its always been stock. I did a few minor unseen improvements and installed an OD. I've driven it to several VTR meets and did a 7,000 mile trip with it a few years ago, with no major problems. A stock 250 is reliable if well maintained. I think "back in the day" we drove them hard and didn't maintain them. The paint on that car looks too dark to me. Conifer green is a lighter yellower green (and prettier) than BRG. Here are a couple of photos taken at an outing to the CVAR races at Hallett. ??? - Larry On 2/17/2020 12:54 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Hey Jim, > > It's been a long time since we've seen you at a race track. Do you > still have that incredible TR3? > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01 PM Jim McAndrew via Fot > > wrote: > > There is a TR 250 for sale at ClassicCars.com. Car is located in > Great Falls, Virginia. > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > Find classic cars, collector cars and vintage muscle cars on > ClassicCars.com. Search, sell or buy and Drive You... > > > > Pretty pricey but seems to have some nice modifications (hopefully > to make it more fun and reliable). > > Before I contact the seller- does anyone have any back story or > know any more information on this car? > > I contacted the Capitol Triumph Register president about the car- > they knew about the car but the owner wasn't a member of their club. > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > Tyler, Texas > 903-780-1319 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,dare I answer again...You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,?dare I answer this...Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher.?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation ?7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Feb 18 01:22:25 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:22:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <538606738.3167859.1582002143213@mail.yahoo.com> References: <538606738.3167859.1582002143213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <538606738.3167859.1582002143213@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560520991.90987085.1582014145910.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, I agree (after reading it 3 times to understand it). The possibility of speeding up the tappet velocity is limited though : it is this problem that cam grinders encounter when they try to get very fast valve opening. It's common agreed that very fast valve opening (steep flank) with less overlap is an advantage, but there are limits. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 februari 2020 06:02:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, If you were to reduce the tappet velocity of the lower lift cam by 13% as well as reducing the cam lift then there would be no point. But if you grind the lower lift cam with the same lifter velocity as the high lift cam then the high ratio rockers will give you 13% higher valve speed than the high lift cam with stock rockers. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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URL: From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Feb 18 12:00:52 2020 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:00:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Unknown Entries References: Message-ID: I need email addresses for the following SVRA entrants. Can anyone help? Thank you. Ken Gorney. GT6 Michael Leccese. TR4 Philip Hyer. TR4 Ferenc Tirkala. Spitfire Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From mleccese1 at verizon.net Tue Feb 18 12:18:12 2020 From: mleccese1 at verizon.net (mleccese1 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Unknown Entries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1419257537.4751094.1582053492862@mail.yahoo.com> Joe, Michael Leccese, mleccese1 at verizon.net. Let me know if all entry requirements have been met, forms etc...?? Thank youMichael Leccese -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2020 2:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Unknown Entries I need email addresses for the following SVRA entrants. Can anyone help? Thank you. Ken Gorney.? GT6 Michael Leccese. TR4 Philip Hyer.? TR4 Ferenc Tirkala.? Spitfire Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 08:42:47 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance Message-ID: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks, Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Feb 19 09:56:58 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jason, They have this listed on their website: PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. ?I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. ? ?Here?s a link: http://www.venolia.com/technical.html? Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons.? No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business.? Does anyone else running?Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks,Jason Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 10:04:35 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:04:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. Jason On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: > Hi Jason, > > They have this listed on their website: > > PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of > skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. > > Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. > I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance > cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: > > http://www.venolia.com/technical.html > > Hope that helps! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia > pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have > gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have > the recommended spec? > > Thanks, > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 10:21:58 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:21:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason, Venolia is out of business. Unfortunate as they were nearby. Clearances tend to vary with some of the magic coatings. Someone should have an answer to your question... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2020, at 7:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? > > Thanks, > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Feb 19 14:14:38 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 15:14:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html. Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. Cheers, Larry Young On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Richard, > dare I answer again... > You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine > , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker > arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher > lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same > and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam > followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the > camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the > maximum valve lift you want? > Marcel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Richard Good" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Marcel, > > Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the > maximum lift will also increase by 13%. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel > wrote: > Richard, > dare I answer this... > Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving > faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower > nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is > such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio > and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go > from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is > opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, > the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say > 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from > 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that > and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end > at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. > Marcel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Richard Good" ) > *Aan: *"Michael Zbarsky" , > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" > > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > ?7.887 > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of > increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity.? > The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you > grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move > out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So > tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times > rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will > increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve > that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe > to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how > fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift > then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will > be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open > further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a > big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers > with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock > rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was > already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration > was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift > during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may > reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam > profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not > achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just > over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a > 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite > contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne > wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: > > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for > a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker > assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is > difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low > enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve > springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 > camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind > (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , > installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 > grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve > lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs > for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no > 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They > recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full > open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but > there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed > position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full > lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably > that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 > rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam > or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 > ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a > suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 16:43:44 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <8e875195-e6d0-4a08-9ce2-936c2c5c8dc1@Spark> I set my rocker pedestals a bit higher and used longer pushrods on my BMC A-series engine. ?I was willing to give up some maximum lift in order to get quicker valve acceleration at low lift. ?By raising the pedestals, the (roller-tip) rocker arms achieve a 90? angle to the valve stem before half-lift is reached. ?I reason that this should give me more area under the curve and greater torque. Duncan On Feb 19, 2020, 3:15 PM -0600, Larry Young via Fot , wrote: > I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html. > > Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. > Cheers, > Larry Young > > On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Richard, > > dare I answer again... > > You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? > > Marcel > > Van: "Richard Good" > > Aan: "van mulders marcel" > > Cc: "fot" > > Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > > > Marcel, > > Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: > > Richard, > > dare I answer this... > > Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. > > Marcel > > Van: "Richard Good" ) > > Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" > > > > Cc: "fot" > > Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > ?7.887 > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: > > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: > > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > > > Geoff Byrne > > > TR6 racer down under > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > > > > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > > > > Marcel > > > > > > > > Van: "fot" > > > > Aan: "fot" > > > > Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > > > > Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > > > > > > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Thu Feb 20 10:32:21 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance References: <1649278284.4231382.1582219941472.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1649278284.4231382.1582219941472@mail.yahoo.com> Jason, I would not go more than .005" clearance at the very bottom of the skirt.? Even at that they will be noisy.? Not a big deal if it is a race car.? I went with .0035" - .004" with Venolia's in the engine I built for the hill climb car last year.? Working fine so far. Richard Good Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons.? No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business.? Does anyone else running?Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks,Jason Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 11:43:41 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:43:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave Most of the ?good? forged pistons are 2168 (venolia etc). The cheaper forged slugs are 4303 alum and don?t need quite as much clearance. I would go with the specs you listed for your venolias. Slapping myself Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Feb 19, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Dave, > I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. > > Jason > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: >> Hi Jason, >> >> They have this listed on their website: >> >> PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. >> >> Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: >> >> http://www.venolia.com/technical.html >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? >> >> Thanks, >> Jason Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 11:43:41 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:43:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave Most of the ?good? forged pistons are 2168 (venolia etc). The cheaper forged slugs are 4303 alum and don?t need quite as much clearance. I would go with the specs you listed for your venolias. Slapping myself Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Feb 19, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Dave, > I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. > > Jason > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: >> Hi Jason, >> >> They have this listed on their website: >> >> PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. >> >> Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: >> >> http://www.venolia.com/technical.html >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? >> >> Thanks, >> Jason Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Feb 20 17:51:21 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:51:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run hotter) Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 februari 2020 22:14:38 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - [ http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html | http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html ] . Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. Cheers, Larry Young On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" [ mailto:goodparts at verizon.net | ] Aan: "van mulders marcel" [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ] > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" [ mailto:goodparts at verizon.net | ] ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" [ mailto:mzbarsky at yahoo.com | ] , [ mailto:gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au | gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au ] , "van mulders marcel" [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < [ mailto:mzbarsky at yahoo.com | mzbarsky at yahoo.com ] > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne [ mailto:gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au | ] wrote: BQ_BEGIN Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 21 09:13:55 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:13:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low end. This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html shows a case where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to about 4x86 = 344 degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork effect" it sets of all kinds of vibrations which can cause the valve to jump off the lifter and bounce off the seat at closing. I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many do. This is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. Most stuff on the web talks about valve springs as the only cure for valve float issues. ?- Larry On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote: > > Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller > valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the > clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run > hotter) > Marcel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com Fri Feb 21 15:11:35 2020 From: tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com (tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Press release for the Kas Cup race? References: <563497639.6463733.1582323095114.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <563497639.6463733.1582323095114@mail.yahoo.com> Is there any type of press release available? Jeff Krupp is putting together the next issue of the TRA newsletter and he said he would save a spot for something. If I had to I can write something, but if there is something already out there, it was probably written better than I could do.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 21 15:26:17 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank?? I'm working on a Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all.? All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, right?? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it out of the tank. Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Fri Feb 21 16:19:23 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 18:19:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ground the sender wire. turn ign on. the gauge should go to full. if it does sender is bad and gauge is most likely ok, but if it's old may still need recalibrating. On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 5:29 PM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a > fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank? I'm working on a > Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all. > All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire > someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, > right? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it > out of the tank. > > Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Feb 22 02:28:49 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:28:49 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very fancy software for examining the motion of the valve for any cam/valve train being proposed. They can easily calculate the critical acceleration and deceleration limits for any valve train mass and its not hard to 'plot" the motion of the cam/valve lifter, even if they did not create the actual cam being studied. Ive done this on my lathe with a data capture system,. Ive just finished a major exercise with one cam maker on my Toyota 4AG race engine where I suspected valve train harmonics were responsible for a broken cam (actually snapped in 2 at peak rpm) . valve spring makers like PAC in the USA are known to have such software. it seems like many TR cam profiles were created in the ancient past, possibly more by trial an error than serious maths. Thats not to say they are wrong/bad, but rather there is a more modern alternative that might have a place. Some cam makers may be using such approaches with TR cams, but I suspect many are just churning out what they did 30 years ago. . Terry O'Beirne On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 AM Larry Young via Fot wrote: > Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat > duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low end. > This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html shows a case > where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to about 4x86 = 344 > degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork effect" it sets of all kinds > of vibrations which can cause the valve to jump off the lifter and bounce > off the seat at closing. > > I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many do. This > is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. Most stuff on the > web talks about valve springs as the only cure for valve float issues. > - Larry > > On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote: > > > Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller valve > clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the clearance > smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run hotter) > Marcel > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Feb 22 02:31:55 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:31:55 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: its just a variable resistor. The electrical part of smiths sender units are common across zillions of Pommy cars, typically 400 ohm empty here is a "how to test it" guide http://www.erareplicas.com/427man/wiring/fuelsmit.htm Terry On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:29 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a > fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank? I'm working on a > Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all. > All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire > someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, > right? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it > out of the tank. > > Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 22 08:48:53 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 15:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Thanks References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan.? I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+).? Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full.? So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad.? I already have a new one on the way.? Thanks to all who responded to my query. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Feb 22 09:17:18 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 10:17:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <2b976410-47d4-478c-9381-0c650ea8e045@pobox.com> "it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very fancy software".? -? That has not been my experience for TR cams, maybe for SBC cams. - Larry On 2/22/2020 3:28 AM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very > fancy software for examining the motion of the valve for any cam/valve > train being proposed. They can easily calculate?the critical > acceleration and deceleration limits for any valve train mass and its > not hard to 'plot" the motion of the cam/valve lifter, even if they > did not create the actual cam being studied.? ?Ive done this on my > lathe with a data capture system,. Ive just?finished a major exercise > with one cam maker on my Toyota 4AG race engine where I suspected > valve train harmonics?were responsible for a broken cam (actually > snapped in 2 at peak rpm) . valve spring makers? like PAC in the USA > are known to have such software. > > it seems?like many TR cam?profiles were created in the ancient?past, > possibly more by trial an error?than serious maths. Thats not to say > they are wrong/bad, but rather there is a more modern alternative that > might have a place. Some cam makers may be using such approaches with > TR cams, but I suspect many are just churning out what they did 30 > years ago. . > > Terry O'Beirne > > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 AM Larry Young via Fot > > wrote: > > Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat > duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low > end. This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html > shows a case where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to > about 4x86 = 344 degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork > effect" it sets of all kinds of vibrations which can cause the > valve to jump off the lifter and bounce off the seat at closing. > > I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many > do. This is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. > Most stuff on the web talks about valve springs as the only cure > for valve float issues. > ?- Larry > > On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: >> >> Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a >> smaller valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages >> to set the clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the >> valves will run hotter) >> Marcel > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sat Feb 22 09:26:16 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:26:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints Message-ID: The GT6 has spicer u joints on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? I?m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. Thoughts? Sent from my iPhone From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Feb 22 09:58:21 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks In-Reply-To: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> Also make sure the sending unit has a good ground Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan. I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+). Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full. So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad. I already have a new one on the way. Thanks to all who responded to my query. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Feb 22 09:58:21 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks In-Reply-To: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> Also make sure the sending unit has a good ground Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan. I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+). Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full. So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad. I already have a new one on the way. Thanks to all who responded to my query. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Feb 22 11:41:37 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 18:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1607350593.4887220.1582396897386@mail.yahoo.com> It could also be a "sunken" (full of fuel) float...Either way the sender has to come out.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2020 5:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank?? I'm working on a Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all.? All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, right?? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it out of the tank. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Feb 22 17:46:46 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks In-Reply-To: <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> Message-ID: <60B2C3EA-A0D0-4316-85E0-BE2F2D8E4B28@columbus.rr.com> Use a light wire with a hook to go down into the tank and catch the float arm. With some imagination and a light touch you should be able to tell if the float is flooded. Also then you can check the resistance of the sender. My two cents tom > On Feb 22, 2020, at 11:58 AM, MACDONALD via Fot wrote: > > Also make sure the sending unit has a good ground > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 22, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan. I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+). Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full. So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad. I already have a new one on the way. Thanks to all who responded to my query. >> >> Jack >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 23 06:20:55 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 08:20:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> References: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <255FE8DCE0004F17A4BCD221C08BB06A@VlackTK121647> Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. See you there. Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. JVV From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 23, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio > > FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. > > To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. > > See you there. > > Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. > > JVV > > From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio > > FOT > > The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. > The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. > After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. > > There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. > > Reservations can be made on line or via phone: > If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. > If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. > > If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. > > JVV > > Host Hotel Announcement > > We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. > > We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. > > Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: > ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services > ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds > ? Free wireless high-speed internet service > ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable > ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment > ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn > ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. > ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels > ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path > ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance > > > Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing > > Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 > CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 > When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph > > Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate > ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link > http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no > > ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link > http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no > > CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? > > > Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba > Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor > 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 > Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba > Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center > 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 > Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com > > > > Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville > Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, > NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First off, make sure the mail you are sending to the FOT list is going to fot at autox.team.net and NOT fot-bounces or fot-owner or some other admin only type of address.? Some email programs don't do a good job of sorting this out, especially on list replies. And speaking of replies, say Person A posts to the list, you hit the 'reply' button that your mail program provides.? Check and see what addresses are actually listed as recipients.? Person A is n the FOT list, they will see your reply in list email, they don't need to get a second copy sent to their personal address.? Some mailers are able to discern it is a mailing list message from the headers, which are usually not displayed to the user.? For example, the FOT list, as well as all the other Team Net lists, puts lines like these in the message headers: Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , So if you are using a mailer that can figure these out, using 'reply list' or whatever will trim out all the other cc: addresses and send it to just the list address. Messages from addresses not in the list, or that have too many recipient addresses listed and those that match other certain tests are held for administrator approval.? That means I have to look at them and decide what to do with the messages, whether to throw them away or send them on to the list.? I get about 2 - 300 hundred such messages every day from all the lists hosted here, it can take me a while to get through them all.? I just checked, currently have 348 such messages, and at 8 am every day emails are sent to the list owners ( that would be me ) with details on why they are held. That being said, Marty, I didn't see anything from you in the held message queue for FOT, so I'm not certain what happened to the missing Kastner Cup post.? I can't even determine if it made it to Team Net or not, sorry.? All I can say is try it again, and explicitly add mark at bradakis.com as a cc: address, so I can take a look at the actual email headers to see what the problem might be. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Sun Feb 23 15:17:26 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 17:17:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints References: <86CE0E05-00CC-4D78-87E6-17ACC980F7BF@me.com> Message-ID: Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. > ?The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? > I?m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. > No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. > Thoughts? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 15:51:17 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:51:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints In-Reply-To: References: <86CE0E05-00CC-4D78-87E6-17ACC980F7BF@me.com> Message-ID: <7273dba5-2e06-a9ae-83c0-007bd47524fc@gmail.com> Some U-joints have grease fittings and seals that allow grease to flow though so you can replace old grease with new. Others have seals that seal in the grease and the water & dirt out. You cannot and should not grease sealed bearing U-joints. They are good for the life of the U-joint, meaning when the grease dies so does the U-joint. You can clean the outside of the U-joints and test them for looseness but that is about it. TeriAnn On 2/23/20 3:17 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. > >> ???The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the >> halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end >> disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no >> visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just >> pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little >> buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? >> I???m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing >> up the needles. >> No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a >> grease fitting. > >> Thoughts? > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com > > -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Feb 24 05:31:24 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:31:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 2020 KASTNER CUP PRESS RELEASE In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Good morning FOT. I wanted to share with you guys first the press release that is going out to the world thanks to our resident word guru Shawn Frank. It gives a great description to the public about what all is about to take place at Mid-Ohio in June. You can view the artwork created specifically for this years event by going to this link https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXbYOeJOzt_OUCOE. Clark Lincoln has raised the bar once again with the 2020 design! This design will be on the official Kastner Cup poster as well as email list, publications and I'm sure much more. There is a BUNCH of stuff going on behind the scenes pertaining to the racers and I will share those soon. You will be kicking yourselves afterwards if you don't make this event. Thanks, Marty Sukey The Kastner Cup 2020 at Mid-Ohio Vintage Grand Prix June 25th - 28th, 2020 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course (midohio.com) 7721 Steam Corners Rd Lexington, Ohio 44904 SVRA (Sportscar Vintage Racing Association) sanctioned event (svra.com) The 18th Annual Kastner Cup 2020 All-Triumph Race: The Kastner Cup is an all-Triumph race set at a different North American race facility annually under local racing faction tech rules and regulations. All Triumph or Triumph-powered fully prepared race cars are welcome to attend. SVRA has waived their fee for any Triumph race car taking the green flag for the Kastner Cup 2020. Expectations of over 50 attendees, including historic international race cars, title winning national vintage race cars, famous drivers, and iconic characters in the racing world. The Friends of Triumph will be paddocked in an appropriated area at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, including a welcome tent and award facilities. The Kastner Cup Champion will be appointed by Mr R.W. ?Kas? Kastner himself. His decision based on three factors: 25% presentation of the car, 25% enthusiasm in vintage racing, and 50% performance and race results, not necessarily first position. He will be watching closely and will appoint Performance Awards to the top time based on model of Triumph. Local car clubs are urged to attend as there will be special parking for Triumph club members and their classic cars. A welcome area will be furnished and used for appointing Peggy Kastner Performance Awards and the Kastner Cup recipient at event end. Events and details to be released before the event and posted on kaskastner.com Camping is available at the track. Please visit the racetrack website for details. There are many hotels within 10 miles of the racetrack. Lexington has many options for food and entertainment. Trailer parking is available through the racetrack. Hospitality services provided by the racetrack. All inquiries are urged to email hospitality at midohio.com Kastner Cup info: www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Track info: www.midohio.com Racing, Rules, Regulations: www.svra.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Feb 24 06:09:26 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints References: <1620173519.5291254.1582549766816.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1620173519.5291254.1582549766816@mail.yahoo.com> Agree with TeriAnn, you don't want to be taking them apart just to lube.Short of obvious play or cups turning, there isn't any way to evaluate them.They're a routine replacement item anyhow so if there's any doubt I would just change them. You can put a little reference mark on each cup and the yoke adjacent, that way a visual check will tell you if a cup starts turning; that usually happens when the bearings start to go south. Glen -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2020 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints Some U-joints have grease fittings and seals that allow grease to flow though so you can replace old grease with new. Others have seals that seal in the grease and the water & dirt out. You cannot and should not grease sealed bearing U-joints. They are good for the life of the U-joint, meaning when the grease dies so does the U-joint. You can clean the outside of the U-joints and test them for looseness but that is about it. TeriAnn On 2/23/20 3:17 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. ???The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? I???m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. Thoughts? _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write Because the world beckons and life waits for no one _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 25 13:34:16 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:34:16 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Feb 25 13:41:12 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:41:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: Who do you pay the $16.50 to prior to the May deadline? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:34 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 25 13:53:09 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:53:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: All $$ goes straight to Ted, after you order through Jim.. Marty Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "John H. Hasty" Date: 2/25/20 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Its shirt time! Who do you pay the $16.50 to prior to the May deadline? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:34 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Tue Feb 25 14:04:21 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! References: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv7512227203 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 14:12:52 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1343964452.307305.1582665172402@mail.yahoo.com> Jay, That?s handled with SVRA, and with the folks handling the registration. ? Create?and log into a drivers account on the SVRA site, and you can upload your driver pic for the back, and the car pic for the front. ? If they can?t use what you upload, such as a low res picture, they will reach out directly. ? ?(I had to do that for the USVGP last year.) Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 25, 2020, 4:04 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv2556736795 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 25, 2020, 4:04 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv2338435110 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 17:56:57 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 19:56:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tee shirt orders Message-ID: Folks, as Marty said, now is the time to think about ordering shirts. The deadline to order will be 30 APR. This is a one-time order opportunity; there will not be an additional run for extras. This year I'm trying a new procedure to make it more straightforward for everyone. Here is a link to a Google Sheet, accessible by everyone to whom this email is addressed. Click the link and enter your data there. If you make a mistake, please call me (540.357.1444) and we'll fix it together. Kastner Cup Tee shirt order link The shirt front can be seen here: Shirt Front These are a good quality shirt so sizes are realistic - i.e an XL size in a low end shirt is a Large in this case. The Ladies shirts are Lady cut, not unisex nor Mens. Ted Schumacher will handle printing and delivery to the track. If you want shirts shipped, please include your shipping address in the spreadsheet (more on that below). This info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc." Orders which need to be mailed will be charged shipping. Happy racing, wish I could be there to cheer y'all on. jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 18:21:20 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tee shirt orders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, I should have said that this link shows the artwork for the event, not specifically the shirt front. For those who already emailed your info to me, no worries, you don't have to do it again - I entered your info for you. Feel free, however, to visit the link and ensure that I did it correctly. jim On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 7:56 PM J.C. Hassall wrote: > Folks, as Marty said, now is the time to think about ordering shirts. The > deadline to order will be 30 APR. This is a one-time order opportunity; > there will not be an additional run for extras. > > This year I'm trying a new procedure to make it more straightforward for > everyone. Here is a link to a Google Sheet, accessible by everyone to whom > this email is addressed. Click the link and enter your data there. If you > make a mistake, please call me (540.357.1444) and we'll fix it together. Kastner > Cup Tee shirt order link > > The shirt front can be seen here: Shirt Front > > > These are a good quality shirt so sizes are realistic - i.e an XL size in > a low end shirt is a Large in this case. The Ladies shirts are Lady cut, > not unisex nor Mens. Ted Schumacher will handle printing and delivery to > the track. If you want shirts shipped, please include your shipping > address in the spreadsheet (more on that below). > > This info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee > payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time > of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if > buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges > to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc." Orders which > need to be mailed will be charged shipping. > > Happy racing, wish I could be there to cheer y'all on. > > jim > > -- > > W4BEA > > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are > willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily > entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 10:47:43 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 12:47:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shirt payment info Message-ID: Folks, Ted Schumacher will handle all payments, as he's making the shirts. Here is the payment info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc.: hth jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 26 10:57:21 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shirt payment info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55c3eda0-122f-d04d-8df7-3961c853ab08@bradakis.com> On 2/26/20 10:47 AM, J.C. Hassall via Fot wrote: > Folks, > > Ted Schumacher will handle all payments, as he's making the shirts.? > Here is the payment info from Ted: > > "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if > track-side pick up.? We will not charge the card until time of > shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if > buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal > charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc.: > So we should call TSI at 419.384.3022to speak with him directly, I guess. mjb. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 12:14:50 2020 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 19:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> References: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> Message-ID: <789134540.2238665.1582744491004@mail.yahoo.com> My vote would be ECR! Mike On Monday, February 3, 2020, 08:55:44 PM CST, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: I had the pleasure of running the new short course at eagles canyon in early December and it was amazing. We run the full course this spring and I?ll be sure to give a full report then. In any case, I?d love to help host at ECR next year. I?d help out at COTA or Hallet too. But my preference would be ECR then Hallet then COTA in that order. Yes I live in Austin, but I just prefer those two venues over COTA. Just my opinion. Greg Sent from my iPhone On Feb 3, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? FOT COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it. Walt Hollowell Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 14:00:15 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shirt payment info Message-ID: No money will change hands until after 30 APR. After the *absolute* deadline is passed, folks who have ordered shirts may contact Ted (contact info will be posted 30 APR) to arrange payment. Credit cards are preferred, but in a pinch PayPal may be used, with extra fees charged.. For shirts to be mailed, a TBD (depending upon number of shirts) extra charge will be necessary. We need to keep in mind that spring is big shirt ordering time for professional shops. We are small potatoes so it is important that we get our order in early, else we may lose out if we can't order enough shirts. jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 15:33:38 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 22:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [Mgs] convertible top help needed In-Reply-To: <20200226211002.39659A0C31@autox.team.net> References: <20200226211002.39659A0C31@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1380575203.2339141.1582756418814@mail.yahoo.com> I installed a tonneau on my 71 B a few years ago.? It's a tight fit, but I found that? by tucking one end of the top bows down under the rear body panel, then pushing from the other side, I was able to tuck the second side under the body panel also.? There is too much top material to ever get the tonneau perfectly flat, but I could get it pushed down far enough so that the tonneau would snap all around it.? Is your friend using the removable bows that fit right behind the seats, under the tonneau?? This helps hold the tonneau cover up so that the top material sticking up is not so noticeable.? Also, do it on a hot day, and let it sit in the sun for a few hours before you start.? Good Luck. Jack On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 4:23:24 PM EST, S.Carr via Mgs wrote: I?ve been helping a friend who wants to install a tonneau cover on a 1980 MGB convertible.? We?ve tried to follow the instructions?but the top bows are about 1/4 inch too wide to drop down inside the rear deck, leaving the front corners sticking up?no way can we install a flat tonneau cover!? The top?s being old and stiff is of course no help.? Any suggestions from the list? ? Sarah Carr ?71 B/GT in PA ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Feb 26 16:04:40 2020 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pressure plate for a TR6 Message-ID: <063001d5ecf9$20a258e0$61e70aa0$@hot-tr6.com> Does any FOT member have a heavy duty pressure plate for my TR6 racecar they would be ready to let go of. If so please contact me. Thanks Walter Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico Phone 505 362-4350 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Feb 27 07:38:34 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:38:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Bmcu] FYI Joe Richards In-Reply-To: <44015664-bca7-83d8-408f-706bfb93ea2f@bradakis.com> References: <44015664-bca7-83d8-408f-706bfb93ea2f@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1b25798f-90fc-e57e-2bb6-817d2959b8b2@bradakis.com> Dr. Hoopes is the current owner of TS1, lives here in the Salt Lake area.? I got a chance to work on the car a time or two when it was at Mike Bailey's. mjb. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: *Phillip Hoopes* > Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Subject: FYI Joe Richards Joe Richards, founder of TRA and restorer of TS1LO passed away this morning at 5 AM. Hard core British car enthusiast. Phil Hoopes From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 11:20:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 10:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <365796184.106641.1580525670756@mail.yahoo.com> References: <365796184.106641.1580525670756@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?m amazed they finally published it. It was originally scheduled to run around the Kastner Cup last year. Victory Lane usually wants 1000 words. I poured the whole thing out of my head and it was 4000 words! I had Kas do a read through to make sure I got the historical details right. Working on the little beastie right now. My head is back with some Jerry Barker magic in it. If only the driver could match the the potential of the car. I attended the University of VARA High Performance Driving School a couple of weeks ago. Perhaps that will help... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici... > > Very nice Brad Elles six page SPITFIRE article in Victory Lane this month. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Feb 2 13:13:29 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 13:13:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Palindrome Day-no TR content Message-ID: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net> My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo. Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Mon Feb 3 12:46:01 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 14:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> References: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. ---------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Feb 3 12:58:29 2020 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walt Hollowell) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2020 12:58:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> Message-ID: I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it.?Walt Hollowell?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? COTA seems to be fairly?midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks.? ? ? ? From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? ? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 13:35:22 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 14:35:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> References: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: FOT COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: > I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works > out. I'm looking forward to it. > Walt Hollowell > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Stephen Jones via Fot > Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis > Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? > > COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your > latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From*: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" > *Sent*: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM > *To*: fot at autox.team.net > *Subject*: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? > > On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT: > > > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant > Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > > > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to > get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the > 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Feb 3 13:43:48 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 13:43:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On 2/3/20 1:35 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > ? We will not be able to count on double digits participation?from > locals if you all want to come to Texas. I am pretty sure the cup event held at Miller Motorsports Park in Utah ( 2007 ) will hold the all time record for fewest entrants. mjb. From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Feb 3 19:54:57 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 20:54:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> I had the pleasure of running the new short course at eagles canyon in early December and it was amazing. We run the full course this spring and I?ll be sure to give a full report then. In any case, I?d love to help host at ECR next year. I?d help out at COTA or Hallet too. But my preference would be ECR then Hallet then COTA in that order. Yes I live in Austin, but I just prefer those two venues over COTA. Just my opinion. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT > > COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. > > The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: >> I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it. >> Walt Hollowell >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Stephen Jones via Fot >> Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) >> To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis >> Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? >> >> COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. >> >> >> >> From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" >> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? >> >> On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> > FOT: >> > >> > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) >> > >> > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? >> > >> > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. >> > >> > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. >> > >> If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to >> get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the >> 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Feb 4 07:27:12 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 14:27:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Message-ID: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it's winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: > > ? > Morning Membership, > > I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. > I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! > Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. > Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. > So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. > Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. > > > > > MARK CRAIG > Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 09:30:49 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 10:30:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup FOT ENTRY FEES. DONATIONS. SPONSORS Message-ID: <96495A11-68BD-4F14-9D5D-2333797D465E@gmail.com> FOT, Marty Sukey is using Kastner Cup Entries to negotiate paddock space and other features for the Kastner Cup. Big job. (Every Chair finds this out after it?s too late) ? Please get your SVRA Entries (free) and your FOT Entry Fees ($125) in. Check to JH Alexander to address below. PayPal to N197tr4 at cs.com Oh yes, we also have several DONATIONS....from the usual suspects. It?s always been that way. Some have sent an Entry Fee AND a Donation. Remarkable Group. We also have a few ?SPONSORS?: Moss Motors is sponsoring the Hospitality Tent and Robert Goldman and staff will be the HOSTS. JS Performance Motoring. Lanyards GoodParts. Cash WPTA. Peggy Kastner Performance Awards These folks have jumped in on their own. Everyone that has a commercial entity or Triumph Related Organization should have an equal opportunity to support the Kastner Cup. If you have any questions about this, please ask. We are not chasing down donations or sponsorships, but those contributions will add value to this, the most significant Kastner Cup, we have ever had. Thank you very much. Budget Guy Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Feb 4 11:38:18 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 11:38:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: References: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: <2460C35C-87BE-4173-8F83-6AEC1D55B12B@comcast.net> Literati, Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the mess below. Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the pricing but I learned a scary lesson. Bud > On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Amici, > > I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! > > Thanks again Mark! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Morning Membership, >> >> I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. >> I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! >> Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. >> Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. >> So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. >> Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MARK CRAIG >> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. >> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 >> www.dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Phone: 615-834-0066 >> Fax: 615-834-9923 >> Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Bud Rolofson [mailto:levilevi at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 12:38 PM To: Brad Eells Cc: DPPI - Mark Craig ; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Literati, Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the mess below. Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the pricing but I learned a scary lesson. Bud [cid:image006.jpg at 01D5DB58.5231AD50] On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Amici, I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! Thanks again Mark! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: ? Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 76204 bytes Desc: image006.jpg URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Tue Feb 4 15:59:04 2020 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 22:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Suppliers References: <340922054.360337.1580857144436.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> hello everyone, race season is around the corner and people be a building again - I have a small biz, Apex2Apex Motorsports, we're on FB and have a website - still building both. I have access to all kinds of things racey for cars, cells, drivers gear, restraints, plumbing, new gear drive starters for hundreds of cars,? clutches, brakes, fire systems and dozens if not hundreds of different manufacturers. Years ago I was the buyer at Pegasus and I have many open doors in the performance industry giving me good access. We do not stock much at this point but product is an email or call away. I will give a discount if possible, price match or better if possible. Email me, call me 847 840 7366 9am - 5pm central, or msg me via FB and I'll see if I can help. Last year Marty bought a Spit starter and was very happy with the quality and service. You too can do the same if you like. Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports LLC847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com ps: we'll be at the Chicago MG Swap Meet on 3/15 - stop on by and say hello a few of what I do keep on hand, (in small qty's) Flitz polish?Brit flags and stickers (over 100 diff countries avail) flag patches, lic plate, country ovalsWOSP starter (Spit only now)(others days away) one year warrantyThermoTec insulation, header wrapJet-Hot Ceramic coatings (I can facilitate your job)(as lifetime warranty)coming soon, neat tie downs (6ft, 6k rated, racing flags or brit/checkered flag imprinted) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 4 17:11:02 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 00:11:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Suppliers In-Reply-To: <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> References: <340922054.360337.1580857144436.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, his starters were a step up from my previous gear reduction starter at a better price. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 5:59 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Suppliers hello everyone, race season is around the corner and people be a building again - I have a small biz, Apex2Apex Motorsports, we're on FB and have a website - still building both. I have access to all kinds of things racey for cars, cells, drivers gear, restraints, plumbing, new gear drive starters for hundreds of cars, clutches, brakes, fire systems and dozens if not hundreds of different manufacturers. Years ago I was the buyer at Pegasus and I have many open doors in the performance industry giving me good access. We do not stock much at this point but product is an email or call away. I will give a discount if possible, price match or better if possible. Email me, call me 847 840 7366 9am - 5pm central, or msg me via FB and I'll see if I can help. Last year Marty bought a Spit starter and was very happy with the quality and service. You too can do the same if you like. Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports LLC 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com ps: we'll be at the Chicago MG Swap Meet on 3/15 - stop on by and say hello a few of what I do keep on hand, (in small qty's) Flitz polish Brit flags and stickers (over 100 diff countries avail) flag patches, lic plate, country ovals WOSP starter (Spit only now)(others days away) one year warranty ThermoTec insulation, header wrap Jet-Hot Ceramic coatings (I can facilitate your job)(as lifetime warranty) coming soon, neat tie downs (6ft, 6k rated, racing flags or brit/checkered flag imprinted) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 21:23:37 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 20:23:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... Message-ID: Hello Amici, You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 22:13:29 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 21:13:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <2b5922ef7cee4e52b4e9dc0c24e6f854@dieselperformanceparts.com> References: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> <2460C35C-87BE-4173-8F83-6AEC1D55B12B@comcast.net> <2b5922ef7cee4e52b4e9dc0c24e6f854@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: [image: IMG_2545 (Medium).JPG] Figured it was time to replace the 1970 fuel cell...Discovered the ATL 8 gallon was the exact same dimension except an inch taller. Used the original can with a 1 inch bar spacer...good to go! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:40 AM DPPI - Mark Craig < info at dieselperformanceparts.com> wrote: > YIKES, mine was bad but not that bad. > > > > [image: http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] > > > > > > *Mark Craig *Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > *From:* Bud Rolofson [mailto:levilevi at comcast.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 4, 2020 12:38 PM > *To:* Brad Eells > *Cc:* DPPI - Mark Craig ; > fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells > > > > > > Literati, > > > > Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been > driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but > it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t > know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the > mess below. > > > > Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the > box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the > pricing but I learned a scary lesson. > > > > Bud > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > > > Amici, > > > > I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! > > > > Thanks again Mark! > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Morning Membership, > > > > I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the > members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. > > I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members > as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on > the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! > > Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might > have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get > forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 > years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to > go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different > engines, different gears etc. etc. > > Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated > into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and > a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was > 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had > been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have > smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. > > So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL > makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a > fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make > your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or > shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. > > Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. > > > > > > > > > > > *MARK CRAIG *Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also a new welded aluminium tank, without foam in it, will pass. 2 years ago, someone in our championchip had a rather heavy accident in a race and the fuel poured out of his new aluminium tank : a welded seam had splitted. Luckily there was no fire. Iit was made of straight sheets of aluminium, simply welded where the pieces come together, without making any rims or fringes or any other reinforcements, a 70 litres tank, without foam in it! It had passed the technical control. I mean, the guys at the technical control should think about what is really safe and unsafe, instead of only applying the rules in the book. An ATL cell is safe and worth the money. 5 years validity is on the low side, I think. It can be sent to the factory and then they will extend the validity with 2 years, but it is cheaper to buy a new one : the check at the factory + post and package is almost 2/3 of the price of a new one. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" , fot-bounces at autox.team.net Verzonden: Dinsdag 4 februari 2020 15:27:12 Onderwerp: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. 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Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Feb 5 04:39:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 06:39:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fun! Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 06:01:16 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 08:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road Atlanta sounds like fun as well. mike h On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Fun! > Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale > for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both > Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the > race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road > Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken > Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale > too... > > Cheers, > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 5 21:15:22 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 23:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14F577B8-AA94-4E06-B766-C297AD0634E4@seiri.com> Wherever my old 1147 Spit has gotten to it has a Belden head... > On Feb 5, 2020, at 08:02, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road Atlanta sounds like fun as well. > > mike h > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Fun! >> Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Hello Amici, >>> >>> You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 >>> >>> My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. >>> >>> My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! >>> >>> Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Chino CA >>> #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 >>> #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 >>> 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just came across a set of Ferodo DS-11 compound, competition brake pads, for which I have no use.? I remember using the DS-11 compound, before I switched to Jag front brakes when SCCA allowed that in 1980 (Thanks to Group 44).? These are brand new pads, which I must have purchased as spares for the vintage TR-3 I built about 20 years ago.? These fit the first 2 generations of Triumph disk brake calipers.? They won't fit the TR-4 and later calipers (i.e they have no holes for retaining pins - see pictures).? If anyone has a use for these, make me an offer, and they're yours.? Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-30-20 - TR-3 Ferodo Competition Brake Pads1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2727718 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gotta love history! 2023 Cage Match at Road Atlanta?? *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:15 PM robert bownes via Fot wrote: > Wherever my old 1147 Spit has gotten to it has a Belden head... > > On Feb 5, 2020, at 08:02, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road > Atlanta sounds like fun as well. > > mike h > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > >> Fun! >> Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Hello Amici, >> >> You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale >> for a cool $40K. >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 >> >> My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. >> Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly >> won the race. >> >> My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road >> Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! >> >> Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken >> Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale >> too... >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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" Cheers, Tony D -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs For everyone's info.? This is a fun one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 07:40:03 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 08:40:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. Message-ID: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> FOT: Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 162204 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. See you there..... Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Feb 8 08:00:53 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Message-ID: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. See you there. Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. JVV From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 8 08:34:19 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. In-Reply-To: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> References: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <330A3B2A-163D-437D-9AEE-CB9BABDE2213@aol.com> Thank you to the core FOT team for making all of this come together! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! > > And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. > > SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. > > Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ > > > THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. > > See you there..... > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 8 08:34:19 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. In-Reply-To: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> References: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <330A3B2A-163D-437D-9AEE-CB9BABDE2213@aol.com> Thank you to the core FOT team for making all of this come together! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! > > And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. > > SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. > > Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ > > > THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. > > See you there..... > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 9 09:44:10 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Stuff to Get Rid of References: <1719626149.479205.1581266650120.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1719626149.479205.1581266650120@mail.yahoo.com> Toward the end of my racing career, I started using lightened Wrist Pins (Gudgeon Pins for you British.? Not to get too far off the track, but I always loved where the workshop manual describes the process called "Reaming the Gudgeon Pin Bush".? Maybe it's just me, but there must be a sexual connotation there someplace).? OK, back to the subject at hand.... My intention, of course, was to lighten the reciprocating mass in my TR-4 engine.? I found a guy in Quincy, IL who could have these lightened pins made up for me, and I ordered 2 sets.? By this time in my career, I was only running 4 or 5 races a year, just enough to get qualified for The Runoffs, and The Runoffs itself.? I ran these in both of my engines for a few years, then I bought 2 more sets to replace them in both engines.? These are the pins I replaced, and therefore, they do not have much track time on them. Externally, they are the same size as the stock wrist pins.? However, the wall thickness is only .87", compared to the stock wall thickness of about .161"? Thus the reduction in weight is considerable, with the stock pin weighing 143.4 grams, while the lightened pin weighs only 86.6 grams.? Multiply that difference times 4, and you have a total reduction of 227.2 grams of reciprocating mass.? And the good news is that I will let them go for only $25 plus shipping. ? Anyone interested? If no one is interested, I will put these on Ebay in about a week.? Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 9 11:29:16 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:29:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Tee Shirts Message-ID: <34F1BBD498CD438C8B05907012D74FA2@UserTHINK> 2020 Kastner Cup event Tee-Shirts, I?m starting early and often. Once again, I?ve agreed to coordinate the Tee-Shirt for this years event at Mid-Ohio. To develop pricing I need a show of interest and how many you?d like. The shirt will have a modified event poster as the artwork, (image attached) 100% cotton. Same quality as the 2018 shirts at Pitt-Race. Minimum quantity is 50 and based upon previous years this should be easy to attain. Initial price estimate is between $21.50 and $22 dollars, perhaps a bit lower if we can get to 100 shirts. Sizes available are small to 3X large (larger than 2X will cost an additional $4.00 however). Color will be a color called sand and all will be the same. If you have the 2019 Buttonwillow shirt it?s the same color as those. Very nice shirt. The shirt will have drivers names listed on the back and Drivers will have Driver printed on the sleeve. $1.00 extra fee for the sleeve printing. So please respond with your level of interest and how many you?d like. Indicate size and if Driver needs to be placed on the sleeve ASAP. If you will not attend but want a shirt; mailing will be extra and to be determined at this point. Prepayment will be required as I need the cash before I order the shirts. Payment will be accepted via Pay-Pal or a check. Payment details later. Cut off date for orders will be early May unless the printer needs more time. Delivery will be at Mid-Ohio during the event or mailed if not attending. I will advise final price and when payments are due based upon pre-order quantity sometime around the middle of April. WPTA Members can pick up at WPTA events. I?ll keep a record, need your name and e-mail address. Questions? Email me. Thanks, Jerry Van Vlack aka JVV jerryvv at roadrunner.com. That?s jerry v v and not a w in the email address.Yes it happens. WPTA Member and long time FOT supporter via WPTA?s involvement. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Feb 10 06:51:41 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:51:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 10 07:05:03 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <742845365.594104.1581343503175@mail.yahoo.com> We played around with rocker ratios on a computer simulation of a TR4 engine. ?The added lift increased max HP by about 3 HP peak. ?Low end (under about 3500 rpm) torque was actually reduced a very small amount. ?If the TR6 results were similar, probably not worth the hassle of added valve spring issues and reduced valve guide length (greater valve guide wear). For what it's worth.... Phil -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Michael Zbarsky Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? 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Panorama - Bathurst Message-ID: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Feb 10 13:33:56 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:33:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] V8 Supercars at Mt. Panorama - Bathurst In-Reply-To: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: ? https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Feb 10 13:43:16 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 06:43:16 +1000 Subject: [Fot] V8 Supercars at Mt. Panorama - Bathurst In-Reply-To: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: we just had the "liquid-moly" 12 hour GT race there. A few guys came from USA to race A bunch of triumph club members go each year. its a hoot of a track to race on. we managed to get it for a closed triumph club event about 15 years ago. terry o'beirne On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:18 AM Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: > https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY > > Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. > This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. > Enjoy! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty via Fot wrote: > Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY > > Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. > This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. > Enjoy! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Until you have run there , you cant appreciate the speed over the top of the mountain, followed by the fall, then the run down con-rod straight into the "chase" which looks like a gentle sweep on TV, but is dam near a right hand turn when you hit it in a triumph doing +120MPH. even the european guys who come here say its iconic and totally different to anything they have , except for parts of Spa and Nurburgring Terry On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:34 AM John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot > wrote: ? https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Feb 10 14:00:18 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:00:18 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: when i last flowed our race head, we got steady increases up to 0.550" lift. its easy enough to spot face the spring base on the head to use longer springs Terry On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 11:52 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will > be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 10 17:07:06 2020 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:07:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <677DCFD5-A037-4534-993D-B8CD67ECB0CE@optusnet.com.au> Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 11 08:56:37 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 10:56:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Tee Shirts. Message-ID: <694B17DDA8A84E67B630E4C3A0147489@VlackTK121647> FOT, I am not accepting any Tee Shirt orders and the ones already ordered will be cancelled. If someone else wants to step up and do the job I?m sure Marty and Joe would be pleased. WPTA is still solidly behind the event and all future events as well. I look forward to seeing everyone at Mid-Ohio. JVV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 13:12:06 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:12:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? Message-ID: A street Triumph driver was asking me if this was still up. We both get a DNS error. Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? thanks mike h -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We both get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 15:27:09 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:27:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> Looks like it?s down for whatever reason. Little activity on the Facebook page as well? Maybe time for a social media revisit? Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > A street Triumph driver was asking me if this was still up. We both get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Feb 11 16:22:36 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:22:36 +1000 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> References: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> Message-ID: ive not seen any on FOT FB page for months. was not aware of the other one i'll dig out & post a few pics of racing triumphs here in OZ just to get come activity terry On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:27 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Looks like it?s down for whatever reason. Little activity on the Facebook > page as well? > > Maybe time for a social media revisit? > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > > > ? > > A street Triumph driver was asking me if this was still up. We both get > a DNS error. > > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > > > thanks > > mike h > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We both > get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Feb 11 18:23:07 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 01:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 12 01:22:08 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 01:22:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41aea74b-6cc0-8588-594b-0dabb7f81cdd@bradakis.com> On 2/11/20 4:35 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > Henry Frye > still making this stuff work after all these years... I hear that! mjb. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Feb 11 22:50:21 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:50:21 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thanks Richard some folks might like to read this link https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html I disagree with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger diameter core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more flexibility when regrinding. You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a change of 0.100" in lifter diameter (a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak velocity. Changing the lifter diameter is not for the feint-hearted, especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block to promote lifter rotation. It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment Terry O'Beirne Road and Track enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au ph 0428 815 117 On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot wrote: > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing > the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of > a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for > too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the > lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. > However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, > increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that > valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach > desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can > open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 > rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve > about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of > time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a > huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with > a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would > decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. > Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out > for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period > caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. > Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable > performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. > I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep > the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne < > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will > be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 12 01:33:43 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:33:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2089397276.66746715.1581496423688.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au BQ_END BQ_BEGIN BQ_END BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World. Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Feb 12 08:07:52 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quiet_Birdmen_-_Wikipedia=2E_______Ref=3A_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFNpbGVudCBIb3JzZW1lbuKAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <719468389.2086136.1581520072513@mail.yahoo.com> Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots). It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster! Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? > > FOT: > If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: > > Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen. Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. > > For the most part we have succeeded in being that. > > With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?. Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. > > However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?. They said it couldn?t be done. > > So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World. Something to be proud of, methinks. > > Please read the link below: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s good to revisit the concept. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: ? Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 08:48:52 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:48:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quiet_Birdmen_-_Wikipedia=2E_______Ref=3A_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFNpbGVudCBIb3JzZW1lbuKAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1065324772.2097752.1581522303194@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1065324772.2097752.1581522303194@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DFA58F7-8651-4973-874B-6AC6482794DC@gmail.com> We should come up with Membership Cards like the QBs, but that requires an organization. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:45 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: > > ? > Very cool, Joe. And a good model for FOT as well. Now I see Henry's reference was to the Horsemen. Thanks!- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > To: kkjjk > Cc: FOT > Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 10:24 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? > > Jay, I have been a member since the 60s. Very quietly. > > Henry?s reference was to the ?silent horsemen?. But I knew what he meant. I got a kick out of that. Anyway, we have kind of a model for the FOT. > > It?s good to revisit the concept. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: >>> >> ? >> Joe- Thanks for the information. I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen. Was it a recent email? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots). It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster! Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Alexander via Fot >> To: fot >> Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am >> Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? >> >> FOT: >> If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: >> >> Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen. Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. >> >> For the most part we have succeeded in being that. >> >> With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?. Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. >> >> However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?. They said it couldn?t be done. >> >> So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World. Something to be proud of, methinks. >> >> Please read the link below: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And a good model for FOT as well.? Now I see Henry's reference was to the Horsemen.? Thanks!-? -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: kkjjk Cc: FOT Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? Jay, I have been a member since the 60s. ?Very quietly. Henry?s reference was to the ?silent horsemen?. But I knew what he meant. I got a kick out of that. Anyway, we have kind of a model for the FOT.? It?s good to revisit the concept. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: ? Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Wed Feb 12 09:25:10 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,?dare I answer this...Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher.?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation ?7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 12 11:19:58 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:19:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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Is that still the case? > > Ed > > > > Edward Dunn > President > > Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. > 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 > Sammamish, WA 98029 > > 425-526-7566 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 12:16:51 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:16:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com> References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? Ed Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Feb 12 12:32:09 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:32:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> Ken G. Would be upset if you don?t include drag racing.... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? Ed Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Feb 12 12:32:13 2020 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:32:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FoT Message-ID: Nice. Be cool to see a Triumph rallying... Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 [cid:image002.jpg at 01D5E198.11A1E980] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14632 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 12:43:56 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:43:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com>, <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: ?and perhaps use in aircraft? (see Monty Python Cut-Price Airline sketch) From: John H. Hasty Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:32 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: Joe Alexander ; Edward Dunn ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Ken G. Would be upset if you don?t include drag racing.... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: ? I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot > On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? 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URL: From mhado at att.net Wed Feb 12 12:47:32 2020 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:47:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009e01d5e1dd$4501de30$cf059a90$@att.net> Jack, I had a 55 TR3 with the lights as you described. I put a separate small red LED (pretty bright, actually) inside the lens of each of the outer fixtures. I got them from a local electronics store. I epoxied it to the base and wired it in parallel with the existing center brake light. It was pretty easy to do and the result was three brake lights that came on at the same time. The regular dual filament bulb still worked as normal with the parking light and turn signal. As a side note, some of the MGA?s (not all of them, but just a few years) had a special electrical box of some kind under the bonnet that allowed three functions using the two filaments in the rear outer lamp assemblies. I first noticed this when I saw an MGA with just the outer assembly (no brake light in the center), similar to our TR2?s and 3?s, and it had the standard two filament bulb on each side. I asked the owner how he got three functions with only two filaments and he shrugged his shoulders. He had the wiring diagram with him so I looked it over and it?s a solid state (I think) or electro-mechanical black box device that allows a dual function for one of the filaments. I?m guessing that it was the brakes and turn signals on the same filament, but not sure. Still, it was pretty slick. I was more curious than anything so I never looked into it further. That was a few years ago. Mike Hado From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:03 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Technical Question Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake pedal is depressed? Originally, these cars were wired so that the brake light was in the same fixture as the license plate lamp. Only one lamp - a safety issue. I have heard of people re-wiring it so that the outer lamps (tail lights) also come on when the brake pedal is depressed (like the later TR-3's). Does anyone know how to wire it to make this happen? Thanks for your help. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhado at att.net Wed Feb 12 12:47:32 2020 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:47:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009e01d5e1dd$4501de30$cf059a90$@att.net> Jack, I had a 55 TR3 with the lights as you described. I put a separate small red LED (pretty bright, actually) inside the lens of each of the outer fixtures. I got them from a local electronics store. I epoxied it to the base and wired it in parallel with the existing center brake light. It was pretty easy to do and the result was three brake lights that came on at the same time. The regular dual filament bulb still worked as normal with the parking light and turn signal. As a side note, some of the MGA?s (not all of them, but just a few years) had a special electrical box of some kind under the bonnet that allowed three functions using the two filaments in the rear outer lamp assemblies. I first noticed this when I saw an MGA with just the outer assembly (no brake light in the center), similar to our TR2?s and 3?s, and it had the standard two filament bulb on each side. I asked the owner how he got three functions with only two filaments and he shrugged his shoulders. He had the wiring diagram with him so I looked it over and it?s a solid state (I think) or electro-mechanical black box device that allows a dual function for one of the filaments. I?m guessing that it was the brakes and turn signals on the same filament, but not sure. Still, it was pretty slick. I was more curious than anything so I never looked into it further. That was a few years ago. Mike Hado From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:03 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Technical Question Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake pedal is depressed? Originally, these cars were wired so that the brake light was in the same fixture as the license plate lamp. Only one lamp - a safety issue. I have heard of people re-wiring it so that the outer lamps (tail lights) also come on when the brake pedal is depressed (like the later TR-3's). Does anyone know how to wire it to make this happen? Thanks for your help. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Feb 12 13:09:17 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:09:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as tail, stop and turn. You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to the relays.) -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Wheeler via Fot > Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake > light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when > the brake pedal is depressed? From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 16:11:25 2020 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:11:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as > tail, stop and turn. > > You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to > connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). > However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two > relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 > relays. Here's a brief schematic > https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg > > FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the > original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of > sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket > together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the > control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light > switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a > mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) > > The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. > (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've > decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to > the relays.) > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> Jack Wheeler via Fot > >> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake >> light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when >> the brake pedal is depressed? > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Feb 12 16:14:54 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as >> tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to >> connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two >> relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 >> relays. Here's a brief schematic >> https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of >> sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket >> together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the >> control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light >> switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a >> mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've >> decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to >> the relays.) >> >> -- Randall >> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >>> Jack Wheeler via Fot >> >>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake >>> light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when >>> the brake pedal is depressed? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 16:20:57 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:20:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> , <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I understood 31% of the words in Bill's post. Isn't The MOSFETS a Moroccan street gang? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM To: Ponostyle Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >> duty as tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with >> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >> re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out >> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >> pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >> the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, >> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >> original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. 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From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> Terry, True.? The original cams do not have very large lobes to work with.? Re-grinding to a higher lift requires reduction of the base circle radius which also reduces all of the radii in the profile.? Any cam profile has a minimum recommended base circle radius in order to maintain an acceptable radius at all points on the profile.? The smallest radius may actually be on either side of the tip but it is easier to visualize if you think of having, let's say a healthy .200" radius at the tip when the base circle is at .60" radius.? If you grind that profile onto a small core that requires grinding the base circle to .40", the radius at the tip will now be zero.? The new chilled iron semi-finished cams with un-finished lobes offer much more meat to work with and harder material than the original cams. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Enquiries Road & Track wrote: thanks Richard some folks might like to read this link?https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html? ? I disagree?with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger diameter?core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more flexibility when regrinding.?? You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a? change of 0.100"? in lifter diameter?(a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak velocity. Changing the lifter diameter?is not for the feint-hearted, especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block to promote lifter rotation.? It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment Terry O'Beirne ? ? ? ? Road and Trackenquiries at roadandtrack.net.au ph 0428 815 117 On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot wrote: Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? 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URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Feb 12 15:57:52 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 08:57:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: interesting comment re newer cam blanks i got some 6 cyl ones recently and they are hard as XXXXX. and the cast iron appearance is unbelievably rough...yes, agree, they have much bigger cores and base circles. I suspect they are of turkish origin. it looks like an original cam had each lobe widened a bit (crudely) and then a mould was made. i dont have a cam grinder in my shop, but my local cam man also commented on the hardness On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:15 AM Richard Good wrote: > Terry, > > True. The original cams do not have very large lobes to work with. > Re-grinding to a higher lift requires reduction of the base circle radius > which also reduces all of the radii in the profile. Any cam profile has a > minimum recommended base circle radius in order to maintain an acceptable > radius at all points on the profile. The smallest radius may actually be > on either side of the tip but it is easier to visualize if you think of > having, let's say a healthy .200" radius at the tip when the base circle is > at .60" radius. If you grind that profile onto a small core that requires > grinding the base circle to .40", the radius at the tip will now be zero. > > The new chilled iron semi-finished cams with un-finished lobes offer much > more meat to work with and harder material than the original cams. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Enquiries Road & Track < > enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote: > thanks Richard > > some folks might like to read this link > https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html > > I disagree with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot > always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding > below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early > 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part > of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger > diameter core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more > flexibility when regrinding. > > You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the > peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a change of 0.100" > in lifter diameter (a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak > velocity. Changing the lifter diameter is not for the feint-hearted, > especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block > to promote lifter rotation. > > It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment > > Terry O'Beirne > > > > > > > Road and Track > enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > ph 0428 815 117 > > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot > wrote: > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing > the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of > a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for > too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the > lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. > However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, > increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that > valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach > desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can > open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 > rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve > about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of > time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a > huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with > a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would > decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. > Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out > for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period > caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. > Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable > performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. > I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep > the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne < > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will > be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Feb 12 18:37:20 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 20:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. That's about all I know about MOSFETs! Cheers Bill On 2/12/2020 6:20 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > I understood 31% of the words in Bill's post. Isn't The MOSFETS a Moroccan street gang? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot On Behalf Of John H. Hasty via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM > To: Ponostyle > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question > > Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. >> >>> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >>> >>> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >>> duty as tail, stop and turn. >>> >>> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >>> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >>> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with >>> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >>> re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >>> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >>> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >>> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >>> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >>> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out >>> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >>> pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >>> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >>> the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, >>> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >>> original hydraulic one.) >>> >>> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >>> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But >>> I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects >>> to wire to the relays.) >>> >>> -- Randall >>> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >>> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >>> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack >>>> Wheeler via Fot >>>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light >>>> so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake >>>> pedal is depressed? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. >>> fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca02ecb125 >>> 5364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C >>> 637171461142229208&sdata=v0eVngUTxGR%2B1vd%2FGJT783PtZGJNuPRW00CZ >>> lS7Pd2U%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> Donate: >>> 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Huovinen) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 03:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <75879936.2465726.1581564834652@mail.yahoo.com> Scott, I think I found Bill's FOT post on youtube:?https://youtu.be/MXW0bx_Ooq4 Check it out! hahahahaha M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott via Fot To: John H. Hasty ; Ponostyle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question I understood 31% of the words in Bill's post.? Isn't The MOSFETS a Moroccan street gang? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM To: Ponostyle Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32.? The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >> duty as tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays.? Initial conversion was done with >> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >> re-did it with 3 relays.? Here's a brief schematic >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness.? The relays are mounted under the dash, out >> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >> pocket together.? A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >> the brake light switch.? (Which in my case is still under the dash, >> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >> original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping.? But >> I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects >> to wire to the relays.) >> >> -- Randall >> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack >>> Wheeler via Fot >> >>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light >>> so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake >>> pedal is depressed? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. >> fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca02ecb125 >> 5364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C >> 637171461142229208&sdata=v0eVngUTxGR%2B1vd%2FGJT783PtZGJNuPRW00CZ >> lS7Pd2U%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Donate: >> 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URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Feb 12 22:19:03 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 21:19:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> > Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. > That's about all I know about MOSFETs! MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only logic level outputs. They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake light in this (very brief) video https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located inside the center brake light. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 13 05:42:56 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> Message-ID: <528e34ab-639a-5214-3e06-20d73f8e53b0@verizon.net> Great description; thanks. Bill On 2/13/2020 12:19 AM, Randall wrote: >> Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. >> That's about all I know about MOSFETs! > MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control > element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input > resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only > logic level outputs. > > They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making > them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got > for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available > that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). > > Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake > light in this (very brief) video > https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ > > But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks > are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple > is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs > and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located > inside the center brake light. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 13 05:42:56 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> Message-ID: <528e34ab-639a-5214-3e06-20d73f8e53b0@verizon.net> Great description; thanks. Bill On 2/13/2020 12:19 AM, Randall wrote: >> Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. >> That's about all I know about MOSFETs! > MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control > element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input > resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only > logic level outputs. > > They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making > them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got > for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available > that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). > > Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake > light in this (very brief) video > https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ > > But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks > are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple > is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs > and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located > inside the center brake light. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 10:29:01 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 09:29:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Message-ID: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Hello Amici, > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your > experience has been? > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > Thanks! > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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High revving meaning over 6000 regularly. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh > as part of screens and windage trays in other engines > > Terry > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > >> Hello Amici, >> >> I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what >> your experience has been? >> >> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html >> >> They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Feb 13 16:39:39 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? References: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544@mail.yahoo.com> Thank goodness my motor?doesn't?rev beyond 6k MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626thank good.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Thursday, February 13, 2020,?Kas Kastner via Fot??wrote: I devoted eight pages to this device in my third?book starting on page 108 for those with a copy, "Racing, Winning and other Myths". On any high revving?racing engine I always thought a "must". High revving meaning over 6000 regularly. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html? They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! ? 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My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! [Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html? They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 21:18:51 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 20:18:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544@mail.yahoo.com> References: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92A755EA-F806-4E56-BA42-A9BB8DE7CE3E@gmail.com> I have discovered that beyond 8K is bad for my engine. Gotta pay attention on those downshifts going into T2 at Buttonwillow... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Thank goodness my motor doesn't rev beyond 6k > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626thank good.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Thursday, February 13, 2020, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > I devoted eight pages to this device in my third book starting on page 108 for those with a copy, "Racing, Winning and other Myths". On any high revving racing engine I always thought a "must". High revving meaning over 6000 regularly. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: > have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines > > Terry > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Hello Amici, > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > Thanks! > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Feb 14 14:13:28 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:13:28 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: i'm happy to send out pics of my 6 cyl crank scraper and windage tray if anyone is interested Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck WATSON via Fot wrote: > I always enjoy Chris?s posts. I know he?s fast. If he were a billiards > player would he be considered a shark? > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM > *To:* fot at autox. team. net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > > My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for > sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. > > I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. > > > > I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. > > That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts > which makes the car easier to run. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Brad Eells via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 > *An:* fot > *Betreff:* [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > > > Hello Amici, > > > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your > experience has been? > > > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > *Brad Eells* > > *Chino CA* > > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > *[image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If he were a billiards >> player would he be considered a shark? >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM >> *To:* fot at autox. team. net >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? >> >> >> My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for >> sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. >> >> I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. >> >> >> >> I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. >> >> That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the >> parts which makes the car easier to run. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Brad Eells via >> Fot >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 >> *An:* fot >> *Betreff:* [Fot] Crank Scrapers? >> >> >> >> Hello Amici, >> >> >> >> I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what >> your experience has been? >> >> >> >> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html >> >> >> >> They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> >> *Chino CA* >> >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> *[image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I'm not after winning, I'm going for a good fight and don't care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck WATSON Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 01:12 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? I always enjoy Chris's posts. I know he's fast. If he were a billiards player would he be considered a shark? Get Outlook for iOS _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I'm always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That's why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 14 14:40:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:40:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: , <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01d5e37f$6441e710$2cc5b530$@gmail.com> Thank Scott, I'm below average at Pool Billiard. Not my kind of game. And racing is just practice. The more you drive, the more you analyze your driving in a honest way the better you get. I've met people who think they're great drivers but aren't, they are unable to progress. They are doing wrong for years and most of the time give up one day. Drivers who has doubts about their performance and don't blame the car are on the right way for getting great. Cheers Chris Von: Barr, Scott Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 22:35 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: RE: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? American English metaphor - "pool shark" is a person very good at pool (billiards), but quiet about it so as to be able to surprise an opponent and take his money. From: Fot > On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 3:30 PM To: 'fot at autox. team. net' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I'm more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result - the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I'm not after winning, I'm going for a good fight and don't care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck WATSON > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 01:12 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? I always enjoy Chris's posts. I know he's fast. If he were a billiards player would he be considered a shark? Get Outlook for iOS _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I'm always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That's why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 14 16:42:34 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:42:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> References: , <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris speaks the truth. QB Henry ~~~ On 2020-02-14 16:30, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to > keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best > between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the > driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 > hp more out of an engine. From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 14 16:58:15 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 23:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal References: <670118127.3366487.1581724695155.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <670118127.3366487.1581724695155@mail.yahoo.com> I have worked on British Cars (mostly TR-3's and 4's) all my life.? Until now, I have successfully avoided working on Stromberg carburetors.? Recently a friend who knows I work on British cars, asked me if I could rebuild a carb on a Spitfire he was working on.? For some crazy reason, I accepted this challenge.? It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the year of the car). I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston.? The only manuals I have for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in constant changes to the carburetors.? So far, I have removed the piston and diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose.? Then, I removed the set screw in the side of the piston.? Now, the whole needle assembly turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it.? But, it won't come out.? Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? Thanks for any ideas you can give me.? Also, can anyone recommend a manual for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 17:49:46 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal In-Reply-To: <670118127.3366487.1581724695155@mail.yahoo.com> References: <670118127.3366487.1581724695155.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <670118127.3366487.1581724695155@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try this- https://bowtie6.com/other/zenith-stromberg-carburetter-repair/ Small star washer on top of the needle assembly keeps all the needle parts inside. [image: image.png] good luck mike h On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 7:00 PM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > I have worked on British Cars (mostly TR-3's and 4's) all my life. Until > now, I have successfully avoided working on Stromberg carburetors. > Recently a friend who knows I work on British cars, asked me if I could > rebuild a carb on a Spitfire he was working on. For some crazy reason, I > accepted this challenge. It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the > year of the car). > > I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston. The only manuals I have > for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, > especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of > production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in > constant changes to the carburetors. So far, I have removed the piston and > diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise > for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose. Then, I removed > the set screw in the side of the piston. Now, the whole needle assembly > turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it. But, it > won't come out. Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck > real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? > > Thanks for any ideas you can give me. Also, can anyone recommend a manual > for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 890747 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Feb 14 21:32:11 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:32:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. > > I?m more about effort. > > Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, > making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. > > Saving resources and money. > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to > keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best > between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the > driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 > hp more out of an engine. > > The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have > about 30-40 cars on the track. > > Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then > there is the car in front you want to overtake. > > That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in > mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. > > I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much > about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. > > Cheers > > Chris > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 15 01:08:35 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 09:08:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my car in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? This is a wrong idea : it is not about or/or/or... but about and/and/and. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I?m more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 15 05:09:22 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire/gt6 door handles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71A40CF4-0462-451A-9AA2-C0CCC504F22D@aol.com> Terry: If you have a part number or a picture, I might be able to help. I have some NOS door handjes, some in their Stanparts boxes, but being a TR4 guy, I don?t know what they fit. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2020, at 4:40 AM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: > > ? > does anyone know of a plastic replacement for the die cast original inside door opening and window winder handles ??. i'm guessing the square "peg" drive is common to other cars of the era and my recollection is BMC 1100's and such had the same. I'm looking for a weight saving in the race car and at the same time getting rid of some 50 year old bits that look decidedly tatty as the chrome is all bubbling from core metal breakdown > > thanks > > Terry > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 15 05:09:22 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire/gt6 door handles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71A40CF4-0462-451A-9AA2-C0CCC504F22D@aol.com> Terry: If you have a part number or a picture, I might be able to help. I have some NOS door handjes, some in their Stanparts boxes, but being a TR4 guy, I don?t know what they fit. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2020, at 4:40 AM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: > > ? > does anyone know of a plastic replacement for the die cast original inside door opening and window winder handles ??. i'm guessing the square "peg" drive is common to other cars of the era and my recollection is BMC 1100's and such had the same. I'm looking for a weight saving in the race car and at the same time getting rid of some 50 year old bits that look decidedly tatty as the chrome is all bubbling from core metal breakdown > > thanks > > Terry > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Feb 15 05:56:18 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal References: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961@mail.yahoo.com> Leave the setscrew in the side loose, in order to locate & keep the needle from turning, until the little internal allen screw is unscrewed, then remove the setscrew and pull the needle out.It may require pliers if it has been in there for awhile.You can then tap the allen screw and funky washer out from bottom to top with a 1/4 punch.Don't forget to replace the little O-ring that seals the dashpot.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2020 7:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal I have worked on British Cars (mostly TR-3's and 4's) all my life.? Until now, I have successfully avoided working on Stromberg carburetors.? Recently a friend who knows I work on British cars, asked me if I could rebuild a carb on a Spitfire he was working on.? For some crazy reason, I accepted this challenge.? It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the year of the car). I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston.? The only manuals I have for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in constant changes to the carburetors.? So far, I have removed the piston and diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose.? Then, I removed the set screw in the side of the piston.? Now, the whole needle assembly turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it.? But, it won't come out.? Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? Thanks for any ideas you can give me.? Also, can anyone recommend a manual for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <1741946487.3616845.1581796180351.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1741946487.3616845.1581796180351@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to all of you who replied to my query about getting the needle out of the piston on a Stromberg carb.? We have a lot of smart people in this group, and people who know where to find answers to questions like mine.? Following everybody's help, and reviewing the links that I was passed, I was able to get it apart with no casualties, either to me, or to the carb. Best Regards. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 15 13:28:13 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:28:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> No Kas, I'm well aware of it. Without you, I would have been sort of desperate, thanks to you I know how to proceed out of my bad times, racingwise, of the past 2 years! Marcel Van: "Kas Kastner" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 19:15:43 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? You forgot who talked you into this decision. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:08 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my car in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? This is a wrong idea : it is not about or/or/or... but about and/and/and. Marcel Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I?m more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Feb 15 15:54:44 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Hi Guys I just read an article in Runners World written by an older woman; probably 60 or so. We used to chase PR's : Personal Records. Now the author says she chases PV's; Personal Victories. I once ran a 5K in 20:03 on my 51st birthday. 20 years ago. I'll never come close to that time again but I still feel that "finishing vertically" is? a PV and accomplishment in a foot or bike race. Even more so in a triathlon. Same with the vintage racing: I'll never win a race but just being out there with the other guys is still fun.? Also skiing: 30 years ago I could ski with about anyone but took 25 years off. Life kind of got in the way. Took up skiing again a couple years ago: can't turn 'em like I used to but having fun. Name of the game. Cheers Bill On 2/15/2020 3:28 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > No Kas, I'm well aware of it. Without you, I would have been sort of > desperate, thanks to you I know how to proceed out of my bad times, > racingwise, of the past 2 years! > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Kas Kastner" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 19:15:43 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > You forgot who talked you into this decision. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:08 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > > wrote: > > Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm > surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 > yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took > race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and > because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely > righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But > like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win > (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning > feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and > just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my > car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is > not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I > should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times > overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and > British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years > I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, > but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race > driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my > car? in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us > will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If > I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for > me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? > Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? > This is a wrong idea : it is not about? or/or/or... but about > and/and/and. > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > > *Aan: *"fot" > > *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! > > - Tony Drews > > On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. > > I?m more about effort. > > Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for > business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with > a minimum of effort. > > Saving resources and money. > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I > try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work > best between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in > the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to > squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. > > The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You > have about 30-40 cars on the track. > > Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you > and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. > > That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting > yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. > > I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t > care much about final outcome. 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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 11:36:29 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <633120690.2982320.1581964589533@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - That's def. throttle body fuel injection on that car. I think the estimate of remaining TR250's is on the very low side. They are not that rare, IMHO. That's not to say they aren't kool, though. I find it interesting that folks over-restore and then try to sell the car as original/restored. Maybe that's just me. But this car doesn't even have "bumblebee" hoses. Crumudgenly yours,Bob Lang On Monday, February 17, 2020, 1:11:00 PM EST, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Wow, $55,000 for a 250?? It does seem quite nice.? Wonder if it has Stromberg carbs as mentioned in the description or fuel injection as mentioned in the description? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 11:44:36 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:44:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration Message-ID: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> FOT: Kas says, ?where are all the entries??....especially his West Coast Guys. We know you are coming. Marty is still negotiating Real Estate in the Paddock. Please help him out. Kathy Swinford of SVRA is standing by to help you with your registration. (Neil Revington sent her a message and received a response in 15 minutes. Neil was very impressed). You can call her, too. See the SVRA website: SVRA.COM. Oh yes, don?t forget your FOT Entry Fee of $125.00. Some are sending more $ as a donation. We are accepting donations, too. We have some Sponsors: WPTA. Peggy Kastner Class Win Awards JS Performance Motors. Lanyards Richard Good. Cash ARE/Gasket Innovations SVRA. Free Entry. We are beginning to hear from some Clubs, too. Anyway, we are working on the budget and starting to spend money. Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 11:54:15 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:54:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Jim, It's been a long time since we've seen you at a race track. Do you still have that incredible TR3? Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01 PM Jim McAndrew via Fot wrote: > There is a TR 250 for sale at ClassicCars.com. Car is located in Great > Falls, Virginia. > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > Find classic cars, collector cars and vintage muscle cars on > ClassicCars.com. Search, sell or buy and Drive You... > > > > Pretty pricey but seems to have some nice modifications (hopefully to make > it more fun and reliable). > > Before I contact the seller- does anyone have any back story or know any > more information on this car? > > I contacted the Capitol Triumph Register president about the car- they > knew about the car but the owner wasn't a member of their club. > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > Tyler, Texas > 903-780-1319 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 17 13:04:29 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration In-Reply-To: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> References: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <666748827.3032954.1581969869178@mail.yahoo.com> HEY AMICI! It's understandable that you would be concerned about your car not running due to unforeseen um, issues at earlier events. ?But it's worth not going to other events to make sure you are at this one!!! ?2018 was my first Kastner Cup and I had a blast! ?And last year's Triumph Tribute race put on by SVRA at Watkins Glen was unparalleled. SVRA can really put on a great event. ?Met some really nice folks, too! ?And where else can you get a race weekend for $100 or, even better, for free? Time to sign up so our colleagues who are doing the heavy lifting know what they have to work with! Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot ; Kathy Swinford ; kaskastner Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 1:45 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration FOT: Kas says, ?where are all the entries??....especially his West Coast Guys. We know you are coming. Marty is still negotiating Real Estate in the Paddock. Please help him out. Kathy Swinford of SVRA is standing by to help you with your registration. (Neil Revington sent her a message and received a response in 15 minutes. Neil was very impressed). You can call her, too.? See the SVRA website: SVRA.COM. Oh yes, don?t forget your FOT Entry Fee of $125.00.? Some are sending more $ as a donation. We are accepting donations, too. We have some Sponsors: WPTA. Peggy Kastner Class Win Awards JS Performance Motors.? Lanyards Richard Good.? Cash ARE/Gasket Innovations SVRA.? ? Free Entry. We are beginning to hear from some Clubs, too. Anyway, we are working on the budget and starting to spend money. Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Feb 17 17:49:50 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:49:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, where have you been Jim? Is this an unrequited or lost love? I've restored my 250 since I've seen you. It was about $30,000 even though I (with help) did much of the work. It is completely stock. I never had the money to soup it up, so its always been stock. I did a few minor unseen improvements and installed an OD. I've driven it to several VTR meets and did a 7,000 mile trip with it a few years ago, with no major problems. A stock 250 is reliable if well maintained. I think "back in the day" we drove them hard and didn't maintain them. The paint on that car looks too dark to me. Conifer green is a lighter yellower green (and prettier) than BRG. Here are a couple of photos taken at an outing to the CVAR races at Hallett. ??? - Larry On 2/17/2020 12:54 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Hey Jim, > > It's been a long time since we've seen you at a race track. Do you > still have that incredible TR3? > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01 PM Jim McAndrew via Fot > > wrote: > > There is a TR 250 for sale at ClassicCars.com. Car is located in > Great Falls, Virginia. > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > Find classic cars, collector cars and vintage muscle cars on > ClassicCars.com. Search, sell or buy and Drive You... > > > > Pretty pricey but seems to have some nice modifications (hopefully > to make it more fun and reliable). > > Before I contact the seller- does anyone have any back story or > know any more information on this car? > > I contacted the Capitol Triumph Register president about the car- > they knew about the car but the owner wasn't a member of their club. > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > Tyler, Texas > 903-780-1319 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,dare I answer again...You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,?dare I answer this...Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher.?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation ?7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Feb 18 01:22:25 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:22:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <538606738.3167859.1582002143213@mail.yahoo.com> References: <538606738.3167859.1582002143213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <538606738.3167859.1582002143213@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560520991.90987085.1582014145910.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, I agree (after reading it 3 times to understand it). The possibility of speeding up the tappet velocity is limited though : it is this problem that cam grinders encounter when they try to get very fast valve opening. It's common agreed that very fast valve opening (steep flank) with less overlap is an advantage, but there are limits. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 februari 2020 06:02:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, If you were to reduce the tappet velocity of the lower lift cam by 13% as well as reducing the cam lift then there would be no point. But if you grind the lower lift cam with the same lifter velocity as the high lift cam then the high ratio rockers will give you 13% higher valve speed than the high lift cam with stock rockers. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 08:42:47 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance Message-ID: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks, Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Feb 19 09:56:58 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jason, They have this listed on their website: PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. ?I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. ? ?Here?s a link: http://www.venolia.com/technical.html? Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons.? No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business.? Does anyone else running?Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks,Jason Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 10:04:35 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:04:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. Jason On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: > Hi Jason, > > They have this listed on their website: > > PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of > skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. > > Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. > I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance > cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: > > http://www.venolia.com/technical.html > > Hope that helps! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia > pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have > gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have > the recommended spec? > > Thanks, > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 10:21:58 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:21:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason, Venolia is out of business. Unfortunate as they were nearby. Clearances tend to vary with some of the magic coatings. Someone should have an answer to your question... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2020, at 7:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? > > Thanks, > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Feb 19 14:14:38 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 15:14:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html. Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. Cheers, Larry Young On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Richard, > dare I answer again... > You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine > , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker > arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher > lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same > and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam > followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the > camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the > maximum valve lift you want? > Marcel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Richard Good" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Marcel, > > Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the > maximum lift will also increase by 13%. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel > wrote: > Richard, > dare I answer this... > Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving > faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower > nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is > such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio > and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go > from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is > opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, > the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say > 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from > 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that > and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end > at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. > Marcel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Richard Good" ) > *Aan: *"Michael Zbarsky" , > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" > > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > ?7.887 > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of > increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity.? > The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you > grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move > out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So > tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times > rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will > increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve > that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe > to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how > fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift > then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will > be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open > further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a > big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers > with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock > rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was > already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration > was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift > during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may > reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam > profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not > achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just > over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a > 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite > contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne > wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: > > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for > a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker > assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is > difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low > enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve > springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 > camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind > (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , > installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 > grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve > lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs > for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no > 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They > recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full > open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but > there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed > position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full > lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably > that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 > rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam > or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 > ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a > suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 16:43:44 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <8e875195-e6d0-4a08-9ce2-936c2c5c8dc1@Spark> I set my rocker pedestals a bit higher and used longer pushrods on my BMC A-series engine. ?I was willing to give up some maximum lift in order to get quicker valve acceleration at low lift. ?By raising the pedestals, the (roller-tip) rocker arms achieve a 90? angle to the valve stem before half-lift is reached. ?I reason that this should give me more area under the curve and greater torque. Duncan On Feb 19, 2020, 3:15 PM -0600, Larry Young via Fot , wrote: > I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html. > > Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. > Cheers, > Larry Young > > On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Richard, > > dare I answer again... > > You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? > > Marcel > > Van: "Richard Good" > > Aan: "van mulders marcel" > > Cc: "fot" > > Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > > > Marcel, > > Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: > > Richard, > > dare I answer this... > > Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. > > Marcel > > Van: "Richard Good" ) > > Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" > > > > Cc: "fot" > > Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > ?7.887 > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: > > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: > > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > > > Geoff Byrne > > > TR6 racer down under > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > > > > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > > > > Marcel > > > > > > > > Van: "fot" > > > > Aan: "fot" > > > > Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > > > > Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > > > > > > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Thu Feb 20 10:32:21 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance References: <1649278284.4231382.1582219941472.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1649278284.4231382.1582219941472@mail.yahoo.com> Jason, I would not go more than .005" clearance at the very bottom of the skirt.? Even at that they will be noisy.? Not a big deal if it is a race car.? I went with .0035" - .004" with Venolia's in the engine I built for the hill climb car last year.? Working fine so far. Richard Good Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons.? No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business.? Does anyone else running?Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks,Jason Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 11:43:41 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:43:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave Most of the ?good? forged pistons are 2168 (venolia etc). The cheaper forged slugs are 4303 alum and don?t need quite as much clearance. I would go with the specs you listed for your venolias. Slapping myself Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Feb 19, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Dave, > I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. > > Jason > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: >> Hi Jason, >> >> They have this listed on their website: >> >> PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. >> >> Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: >> >> http://www.venolia.com/technical.html >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? >> >> Thanks, >> Jason Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 11:43:41 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:43:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave Most of the ?good? forged pistons are 2168 (venolia etc). The cheaper forged slugs are 4303 alum and don?t need quite as much clearance. I would go with the specs you listed for your venolias. Slapping myself Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Feb 19, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Dave, > I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. > > Jason > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: >> Hi Jason, >> >> They have this listed on their website: >> >> PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. >> >> Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: >> >> http://www.venolia.com/technical.html >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? >> >> Thanks, >> Jason Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Feb 20 17:51:21 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:51:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run hotter) Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 februari 2020 22:14:38 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - [ http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html | http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html ] . Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. Cheers, Larry Young On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" [ mailto:goodparts at verizon.net | ] Aan: "van mulders marcel" [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ] > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" [ mailto:goodparts at verizon.net | ] ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" [ mailto:mzbarsky at yahoo.com | ] , [ mailto:gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au | gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au ] , "van mulders marcel" [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < [ mailto:mzbarsky at yahoo.com | mzbarsky at yahoo.com ] > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne [ mailto:gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au | ] wrote: BQ_BEGIN Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 21 09:13:55 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:13:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low end. This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html shows a case where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to about 4x86 = 344 degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork effect" it sets of all kinds of vibrations which can cause the valve to jump off the lifter and bounce off the seat at closing. I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many do. This is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. Most stuff on the web talks about valve springs as the only cure for valve float issues. ?- Larry On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote: > > Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller > valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the > clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run > hotter) > Marcel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com Fri Feb 21 15:11:35 2020 From: tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com (tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Press release for the Kas Cup race? References: <563497639.6463733.1582323095114.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <563497639.6463733.1582323095114@mail.yahoo.com> Is there any type of press release available? Jeff Krupp is putting together the next issue of the TRA newsletter and he said he would save a spot for something. If I had to I can write something, but if there is something already out there, it was probably written better than I could do.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 21 15:26:17 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank?? I'm working on a Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all.? All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, right?? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it out of the tank. Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Fri Feb 21 16:19:23 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 18:19:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ground the sender wire. turn ign on. the gauge should go to full. if it does sender is bad and gauge is most likely ok, but if it's old may still need recalibrating. On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 5:29 PM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a > fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank? I'm working on a > Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all. > All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire > someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, > right? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it > out of the tank. > > Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Feb 22 02:28:49 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:28:49 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very fancy software for examining the motion of the valve for any cam/valve train being proposed. They can easily calculate the critical acceleration and deceleration limits for any valve train mass and its not hard to 'plot" the motion of the cam/valve lifter, even if they did not create the actual cam being studied. Ive done this on my lathe with a data capture system,. Ive just finished a major exercise with one cam maker on my Toyota 4AG race engine where I suspected valve train harmonics were responsible for a broken cam (actually snapped in 2 at peak rpm) . valve spring makers like PAC in the USA are known to have such software. it seems like many TR cam profiles were created in the ancient past, possibly more by trial an error than serious maths. Thats not to say they are wrong/bad, but rather there is a more modern alternative that might have a place. Some cam makers may be using such approaches with TR cams, but I suspect many are just churning out what they did 30 years ago. . Terry O'Beirne On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 AM Larry Young via Fot wrote: > Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat > duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low end. > This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html shows a case > where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to about 4x86 = 344 > degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork effect" it sets of all kinds > of vibrations which can cause the valve to jump off the lifter and bounce > off the seat at closing. > > I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many do. This > is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. Most stuff on the > web talks about valve springs as the only cure for valve float issues. > - Larry > > On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote: > > > Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller valve > clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the clearance > smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run hotter) > Marcel > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Feb 22 02:31:55 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:31:55 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: its just a variable resistor. The electrical part of smiths sender units are common across zillions of Pommy cars, typically 400 ohm empty here is a "how to test it" guide http://www.erareplicas.com/427man/wiring/fuelsmit.htm Terry On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:29 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a > fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank? I'm working on a > Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all. > All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire > someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, > right? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it > out of the tank. > > Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 22 08:48:53 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 15:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Thanks References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan.? I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+).? Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full.? So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad.? I already have a new one on the way.? Thanks to all who responded to my query. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Feb 22 09:17:18 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 10:17:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <2b976410-47d4-478c-9381-0c650ea8e045@pobox.com> "it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very fancy software".? -? That has not been my experience for TR cams, maybe for SBC cams. - Larry On 2/22/2020 3:28 AM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very > fancy software for examining the motion of the valve for any cam/valve > train being proposed. They can easily calculate?the critical > acceleration and deceleration limits for any valve train mass and its > not hard to 'plot" the motion of the cam/valve lifter, even if they > did not create the actual cam being studied.? ?Ive done this on my > lathe with a data capture system,. Ive just?finished a major exercise > with one cam maker on my Toyota 4AG race engine where I suspected > valve train harmonics?were responsible for a broken cam (actually > snapped in 2 at peak rpm) . valve spring makers? like PAC in the USA > are known to have such software. > > it seems?like many TR cam?profiles were created in the ancient?past, > possibly more by trial an error?than serious maths. Thats not to say > they are wrong/bad, but rather there is a more modern alternative that > might have a place. Some cam makers may be using such approaches with > TR cams, but I suspect many are just churning out what they did 30 > years ago. . > > Terry O'Beirne > > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 AM Larry Young via Fot > > wrote: > > Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat > duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low > end. This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html > shows a case where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to > about 4x86 = 344 degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork > effect" it sets of all kinds of vibrations which can cause the > valve to jump off the lifter and bounce off the seat at closing. > > I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many > do. This is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. > Most stuff on the web talks about valve springs as the only cure > for valve float issues. > ?- Larry > > On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: >> >> Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a >> smaller valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages >> to set the clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the >> valves will run hotter) >> Marcel > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sat Feb 22 09:26:16 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:26:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints Message-ID: The GT6 has spicer u joints on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? I?m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. Thoughts? Sent from my iPhone From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Feb 22 09:58:21 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks In-Reply-To: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> Also make sure the sending unit has a good ground Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan. I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+). Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full. So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad. I already have a new one on the way. Thanks to all who responded to my query. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks to all who responded to my query. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Feb 22 11:41:37 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 18:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1607350593.4887220.1582396897386@mail.yahoo.com> It could also be a "sunken" (full of fuel) float...Either way the sender has to come out.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2020 5:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank?? I'm working on a Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all.? All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, right?? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it out of the tank. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Feb 22 17:46:46 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks In-Reply-To: <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> Message-ID: <60B2C3EA-A0D0-4316-85E0-BE2F2D8E4B28@columbus.rr.com> Use a light wire with a hook to go down into the tank and catch the float arm. With some imagination and a light touch you should be able to tell if the float is flooded. Also then you can check the resistance of the sender. My two cents tom > On Feb 22, 2020, at 11:58 AM, MACDONALD via Fot wrote: > > Also make sure the sending unit has a good ground > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 22, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan. I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+). Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full. So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad. I already have a new one on the way. Thanks to all who responded to my query. >> >> Jack >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 23 06:20:55 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 08:20:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> References: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <255FE8DCE0004F17A4BCD221C08BB06A@VlackTK121647> Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. See you there. Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. JVV From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 23, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio > > FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. > > To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. > > See you there. > > Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. > > JVV > > From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio > > FOT > > The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. > The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. > After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. > > There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. > > Reservations can be made on line or via phone: > If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. > If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. > > If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. > > JVV > > Host Hotel Announcement > > We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. > > We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. > > Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: > ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services > ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds > ? Free wireless high-speed internet service > ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable > ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment > ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn > ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. > ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels > ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path > ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance > > > Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing > > Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 > CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 > When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph > > Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate > ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link > http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no > > ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link > http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no > > CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? > > > Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba > Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor > 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 > Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba > Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center > 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 > Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com > > > > Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville > Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, > NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First off, make sure the mail you are sending to the FOT list is going to fot at autox.team.net and NOT fot-bounces or fot-owner or some other admin only type of address.? Some email programs don't do a good job of sorting this out, especially on list replies. And speaking of replies, say Person A posts to the list, you hit the 'reply' button that your mail program provides.? Check and see what addresses are actually listed as recipients.? Person A is n the FOT list, they will see your reply in list email, they don't need to get a second copy sent to their personal address.? Some mailers are able to discern it is a mailing list message from the headers, which are usually not displayed to the user.? For example, the FOT list, as well as all the other Team Net lists, puts lines like these in the message headers: Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , So if you are using a mailer that can figure these out, using 'reply list' or whatever will trim out all the other cc: addresses and send it to just the list address. Messages from addresses not in the list, or that have too many recipient addresses listed and those that match other certain tests are held for administrator approval.? That means I have to look at them and decide what to do with the messages, whether to throw them away or send them on to the list.? I get about 2 - 300 hundred such messages every day from all the lists hosted here, it can take me a while to get through them all.? I just checked, currently have 348 such messages, and at 8 am every day emails are sent to the list owners ( that would be me ) with details on why they are held. That being said, Marty, I didn't see anything from you in the held message queue for FOT, so I'm not certain what happened to the missing Kastner Cup post.? I can't even determine if it made it to Team Net or not, sorry.? All I can say is try it again, and explicitly add mark at bradakis.com as a cc: address, so I can take a look at the actual email headers to see what the problem might be. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Sun Feb 23 15:17:26 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 17:17:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints References: <86CE0E05-00CC-4D78-87E6-17ACC980F7BF@me.com> Message-ID: Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. > ?The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? > I?m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. > No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. > Thoughts? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 15:51:17 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:51:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints In-Reply-To: References: <86CE0E05-00CC-4D78-87E6-17ACC980F7BF@me.com> Message-ID: <7273dba5-2e06-a9ae-83c0-007bd47524fc@gmail.com> Some U-joints have grease fittings and seals that allow grease to flow though so you can replace old grease with new. Others have seals that seal in the grease and the water & dirt out. You cannot and should not grease sealed bearing U-joints. They are good for the life of the U-joint, meaning when the grease dies so does the U-joint. You can clean the outside of the U-joints and test them for looseness but that is about it. TeriAnn On 2/23/20 3:17 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. > >> ???The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the >> halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end >> disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no >> visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just >> pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little >> buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? >> I???m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing >> up the needles. >> No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a >> grease fitting. > >> Thoughts? > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com > > -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Feb 24 05:31:24 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:31:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 2020 KASTNER CUP PRESS RELEASE In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Good morning FOT. I wanted to share with you guys first the press release that is going out to the world thanks to our resident word guru Shawn Frank. It gives a great description to the public about what all is about to take place at Mid-Ohio in June. You can view the artwork created specifically for this years event by going to this link https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXbYOeJOzt_OUCOE. Clark Lincoln has raised the bar once again with the 2020 design! This design will be on the official Kastner Cup poster as well as email list, publications and I'm sure much more. There is a BUNCH of stuff going on behind the scenes pertaining to the racers and I will share those soon. You will be kicking yourselves afterwards if you don't make this event. Thanks, Marty Sukey The Kastner Cup 2020 at Mid-Ohio Vintage Grand Prix June 25th - 28th, 2020 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course (midohio.com) 7721 Steam Corners Rd Lexington, Ohio 44904 SVRA (Sportscar Vintage Racing Association) sanctioned event (svra.com) The 18th Annual Kastner Cup 2020 All-Triumph Race: The Kastner Cup is an all-Triumph race set at a different North American race facility annually under local racing faction tech rules and regulations. All Triumph or Triumph-powered fully prepared race cars are welcome to attend. SVRA has waived their fee for any Triumph race car taking the green flag for the Kastner Cup 2020. Expectations of over 50 attendees, including historic international race cars, title winning national vintage race cars, famous drivers, and iconic characters in the racing world. The Friends of Triumph will be paddocked in an appropriated area at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, including a welcome tent and award facilities. The Kastner Cup Champion will be appointed by Mr R.W. ?Kas? Kastner himself. His decision based on three factors: 25% presentation of the car, 25% enthusiasm in vintage racing, and 50% performance and race results, not necessarily first position. He will be watching closely and will appoint Performance Awards to the top time based on model of Triumph. Local car clubs are urged to attend as there will be special parking for Triumph club members and their classic cars. A welcome area will be furnished and used for appointing Peggy Kastner Performance Awards and the Kastner Cup recipient at event end. Events and details to be released before the event and posted on kaskastner.com Camping is available at the track. Please visit the racetrack website for details. There are many hotels within 10 miles of the racetrack. Lexington has many options for food and entertainment. Trailer parking is available through the racetrack. Hospitality services provided by the racetrack. All inquiries are urged to email hospitality at midohio.com Kastner Cup info: www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Track info: www.midohio.com Racing, Rules, Regulations: www.svra.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Feb 24 06:09:26 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints References: <1620173519.5291254.1582549766816.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1620173519.5291254.1582549766816@mail.yahoo.com> Agree with TeriAnn, you don't want to be taking them apart just to lube.Short of obvious play or cups turning, there isn't any way to evaluate them.They're a routine replacement item anyhow so if there's any doubt I would just change them. You can put a little reference mark on each cup and the yoke adjacent, that way a visual check will tell you if a cup starts turning; that usually happens when the bearings start to go south. Glen -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2020 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints Some U-joints have grease fittings and seals that allow grease to flow though so you can replace old grease with new. Others have seals that seal in the grease and the water & dirt out. You cannot and should not grease sealed bearing U-joints. They are good for the life of the U-joint, meaning when the grease dies so does the U-joint. You can clean the outside of the U-joints and test them for looseness but that is about it. TeriAnn On 2/23/20 3:17 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. ???The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? I???m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. Thoughts? _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write Because the world beckons and life waits for no one _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 25 13:34:16 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:34:16 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Feb 25 13:41:12 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:41:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: Who do you pay the $16.50 to prior to the May deadline? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:34 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 25 13:53:09 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:53:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: All $$ goes straight to Ted, after you order through Jim.. Marty Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "John H. Hasty" Date: 2/25/20 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Its shirt time! Who do you pay the $16.50 to prior to the May deadline? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:34 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Tue Feb 25 14:04:21 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! References: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv7512227203 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 14:12:52 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1343964452.307305.1582665172402@mail.yahoo.com> Jay, That?s handled with SVRA, and with the folks handling the registration. ? Create?and log into a drivers account on the SVRA site, and you can upload your driver pic for the back, and the car pic for the front. ? If they can?t use what you upload, such as a low res picture, they will reach out directly. ? ?(I had to do that for the USVGP last year.) Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 25, 2020, 4:04 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv2556736795 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Tue Feb 25 14:20:09 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: <1343964452.307305.1582665172402@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> <1343964452.307305.1582665172402@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <243536731.1644128.1582665609079@mail.yahoo.com> Great, that helps, Dave.? Thanks!-- Jay -----Original Message----- From: David Gott To: kkjjk ; trmarty ; fot Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Its shirt time! Jay, That?s handled with SVRA, and with the folks handling the registration. ? Create?and log into a drivers account on the SVRA site, and you can upload your driver pic for the back, and the car pic for the front. ? If they can?t use what you upload, such as a low res picture, they will reach out directly. ? ?(I had to do that for the USVGP last year.) Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 25, 2020, 4:04 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv2338435110 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 17:56:57 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 19:56:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tee shirt orders Message-ID: Folks, as Marty said, now is the time to think about ordering shirts. The deadline to order will be 30 APR. This is a one-time order opportunity; there will not be an additional run for extras. This year I'm trying a new procedure to make it more straightforward for everyone. Here is a link to a Google Sheet, accessible by everyone to whom this email is addressed. Click the link and enter your data there. If you make a mistake, please call me (540.357.1444) and we'll fix it together. Kastner Cup Tee shirt order link The shirt front can be seen here: Shirt Front These are a good quality shirt so sizes are realistic - i.e an XL size in a low end shirt is a Large in this case. The Ladies shirts are Lady cut, not unisex nor Mens. Ted Schumacher will handle printing and delivery to the track. If you want shirts shipped, please include your shipping address in the spreadsheet (more on that below). This info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc." Orders which need to be mailed will be charged shipping. Happy racing, wish I could be there to cheer y'all on. jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 18:21:20 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tee shirt orders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, I should have said that this link shows the artwork for the event, not specifically the shirt front. For those who already emailed your info to me, no worries, you don't have to do it again - I entered your info for you. Feel free, however, to visit the link and ensure that I did it correctly. jim On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 7:56 PM J.C. Hassall wrote: > Folks, as Marty said, now is the time to think about ordering shirts. The > deadline to order will be 30 APR. This is a one-time order opportunity; > there will not be an additional run for extras. > > This year I'm trying a new procedure to make it more straightforward for > everyone. Here is a link to a Google Sheet, accessible by everyone to whom > this email is addressed. Click the link and enter your data there. If you > make a mistake, please call me (540.357.1444) and we'll fix it together. Kastner > Cup Tee shirt order link > > The shirt front can be seen here: Shirt Front > > > These are a good quality shirt so sizes are realistic - i.e an XL size in > a low end shirt is a Large in this case. The Ladies shirts are Lady cut, > not unisex nor Mens. Ted Schumacher will handle printing and delivery to > the track. If you want shirts shipped, please include your shipping > address in the spreadsheet (more on that below). > > This info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee > payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time > of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if > buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges > to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc." Orders which > need to be mailed will be charged shipping. > > Happy racing, wish I could be there to cheer y'all on. > > jim > > -- > > W4BEA > > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are > willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily > entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 10:47:43 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 12:47:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shirt payment info Message-ID: Folks, Ted Schumacher will handle all payments, as he's making the shirts. Here is the payment info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc.: hth jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 26 10:57:21 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shirt payment info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55c3eda0-122f-d04d-8df7-3961c853ab08@bradakis.com> On 2/26/20 10:47 AM, J.C. Hassall via Fot wrote: > Folks, > > Ted Schumacher will handle all payments, as he's making the shirts.? > Here is the payment info from Ted: > > "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if > track-side pick up.? We will not charge the card until time of > shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if > buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal > charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc.: > So we should call TSI at 419.384.3022to speak with him directly, I guess. mjb. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 12:14:50 2020 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 19:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> References: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> Message-ID: <789134540.2238665.1582744491004@mail.yahoo.com> My vote would be ECR! Mike On Monday, February 3, 2020, 08:55:44 PM CST, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: I had the pleasure of running the new short course at eagles canyon in early December and it was amazing. We run the full course this spring and I?ll be sure to give a full report then. In any case, I?d love to help host at ECR next year. I?d help out at COTA or Hallet too. But my preference would be ECR then Hallet then COTA in that order. Yes I live in Austin, but I just prefer those two venues over COTA. Just my opinion. Greg Sent from my iPhone On Feb 3, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? FOT COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it. Walt Hollowell Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is too much top material to ever get the tonneau perfectly flat, but I could get it pushed down far enough so that the tonneau would snap all around it.? Is your friend using the removable bows that fit right behind the seats, under the tonneau?? This helps hold the tonneau cover up so that the top material sticking up is not so noticeable.? Also, do it on a hot day, and let it sit in the sun for a few hours before you start.? Good Luck. Jack On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 4:23:24 PM EST, S.Carr via Mgs wrote: I?ve been helping a friend who wants to install a tonneau cover on a 1980 MGB convertible.? We?ve tried to follow the instructions?but the top bows are about 1/4 inch too wide to drop down inside the rear deck, leaving the front corners sticking up?no way can we install a flat tonneau cover!? The top?s being old and stiff is of course no help.? Any suggestions from the list? ? Sarah Carr ?71 B/GT in PA ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Feb 26 16:04:40 2020 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pressure plate for a TR6 Message-ID: <063001d5ecf9$20a258e0$61e70aa0$@hot-tr6.com> Does any FOT member have a heavy duty pressure plate for my TR6 racecar they would be ready to let go of. If so please contact me. Thanks Walter Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico Phone 505 362-4350 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Feb 27 07:38:34 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:38:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [Bmcu] FYI Joe Richards In-Reply-To: <44015664-bca7-83d8-408f-706bfb93ea2f@bradakis.com> References: <44015664-bca7-83d8-408f-706bfb93ea2f@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1b25798f-90fc-e57e-2bb6-817d2959b8b2@bradakis.com> Dr. Hoopes is the current owner of TS1, lives here in the Salt Lake area.? I got a chance to work on the car a time or two when it was at Mike Bailey's. mjb. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: *Phillip Hoopes* > Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Subject: FYI Joe Richards Joe Richards, founder of TRA and restorer of TS1LO passed away this morning at 5 AM. Hard core British car enthusiast. Phil Hoopes From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 11:20:59 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 10:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <365796184.106641.1580525670756@mail.yahoo.com> References: <365796184.106641.1580525670756@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?m amazed they finally published it. It was originally scheduled to run around the Kastner Cup last year. Victory Lane usually wants 1000 words. I poured the whole thing out of my head and it was 4000 words! I had Kas do a read through to make sure I got the historical details right. Working on the little beastie right now. My head is back with some Jerry Barker magic in it. If only the driver could match the the potential of the car. I attended the University of VARA High Performance Driving School a couple of weeks ago. Perhaps that will help... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Amici... > > Very nice Brad Elles six page SPITFIRE article in Victory Lane this month. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Feb 2 13:13:29 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 13:13:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Palindrome Day-no TR content Message-ID: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net> My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo. Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From 6t9gt6 at toast.net Mon Feb 3 12:46:01 2020 From: 6t9gt6 at toast.net (Stephen Jones) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 14:46:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> References: <371c0bb3-308e-cbe8-7418-efded0adda53@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. ---------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walt at hot-tr6.com Mon Feb 3 12:58:29 2020 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walt Hollowell) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2020 12:58:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> Message-ID: I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it.?Walt Hollowell?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? COTA seems to be fairly?midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks.? ? ? ? From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? ? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 13:35:22 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 14:35:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> References: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: FOT COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: > I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works > out. I'm looking forward to it. > Walt Hollowell > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Stephen Jones via Fot > Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis > Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? > > COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your > latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From*: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" > *Sent*: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM > *To*: fot at autox.team.net > *Subject*: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? > > On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT: > > > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant > Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > > > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to > get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the > 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. > > mjb. > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Feb 3 13:43:48 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 13:43:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: <0918826983804093a7303535a23f6a6c@toast.net> <20200203195843.3B4B6A0CFB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On 2/3/20 1:35 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > ? We will not be able to count on double digits participation?from > locals if you all want to come to Texas. I am pretty sure the cup event held at Miller Motorsports Park in Utah ( 2007 ) will hold the all time record for fewest entrants. mjb. From gblake58tr3 at icloud.com Mon Feb 3 19:54:57 2020 From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 20:54:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> I had the pleasure of running the new short course at eagles canyon in early December and it was amazing. We run the full course this spring and I?ll be sure to give a full report then. In any case, I?d love to help host at ECR next year. I?d help out at COTA or Hallet too. But my preference would be ECR then Hallet then COTA in that order. Yes I live in Austin, but I just prefer those two venues over COTA. Just my opinion. Greg Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > ? > FOT > > COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. > > The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. > > Bob Kramer > > >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: >> I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it. >> Walt Hollowell >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Stephen Jones via Fot >> Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) >> To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis >> Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? >> >> COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. >> >> >> >> From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" >> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? >> >> On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> > FOT: >> > >> > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) >> > >> > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? >> > >> > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. >> > >> > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. >> > >> If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to >> get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the >> 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. >> >> mjb. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Feb 4 07:27:12 2020 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (DPPI - Mark Craig) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 14:27:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Message-ID: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it's winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 20743 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot wrote: > > ? > Morning Membership, > > I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. > I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! > Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. > Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. > So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. > Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. > > > > > MARK CRAIG > Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 09:30:49 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 10:30:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup FOT ENTRY FEES. DONATIONS. SPONSORS Message-ID: <96495A11-68BD-4F14-9D5D-2333797D465E@gmail.com> FOT, Marty Sukey is using Kastner Cup Entries to negotiate paddock space and other features for the Kastner Cup. Big job. (Every Chair finds this out after it?s too late) ? Please get your SVRA Entries (free) and your FOT Entry Fees ($125) in. Check to JH Alexander to address below. PayPal to N197tr4 at cs.com Oh yes, we also have several DONATIONS....from the usual suspects. It?s always been that way. Some have sent an Entry Fee AND a Donation. Remarkable Group. We also have a few ?SPONSORS?: Moss Motors is sponsoring the Hospitality Tent and Robert Goldman and staff will be the HOSTS. JS Performance Motoring. Lanyards GoodParts. Cash WPTA. Peggy Kastner Performance Awards These folks have jumped in on their own. Everyone that has a commercial entity or Triumph Related Organization should have an equal opportunity to support the Kastner Cup. If you have any questions about this, please ask. We are not chasing down donations or sponsorships, but those contributions will add value to this, the most significant Kastner Cup, we have ever had. Thank you very much. Budget Guy Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Feb 4 11:38:18 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 11:38:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: References: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: <2460C35C-87BE-4173-8F83-6AEC1D55B12B@comcast.net> Literati, Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the mess below. Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the pricing but I learned a scary lesson. Bud > On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > Amici, > > I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! > > Thanks again Mark! > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: >> >> ? >> Morning Membership, >> >> I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. >> I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! >> Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. >> Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. >> So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. >> Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MARK CRAIG >> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. >> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 >> www.dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Phone: 615-834-0066 >> Fax: 615-834-9923 >> Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] [http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com From: Bud Rolofson [mailto:levilevi at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 12:38 PM To: Brad Eells Cc: DPPI - Mark Craig ; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Literati, Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the mess below. Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the pricing but I learned a scary lesson. Bud [cid:image006.jpg at 01D5DB58.5231AD50] On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: Amici, I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! Thanks again Mark! Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: ? Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. MARK CRAIG Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 www.dieselperformanceparts.com Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 76204 bytes Desc: image006.jpg URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Tue Feb 4 15:59:04 2020 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 22:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Suppliers References: <340922054.360337.1580857144436.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> hello everyone, race season is around the corner and people be a building again - I have a small biz, Apex2Apex Motorsports, we're on FB and have a website - still building both. I have access to all kinds of things racey for cars, cells, drivers gear, restraints, plumbing, new gear drive starters for hundreds of cars,? clutches, brakes, fire systems and dozens if not hundreds of different manufacturers. Years ago I was the buyer at Pegasus and I have many open doors in the performance industry giving me good access. We do not stock much at this point but product is an email or call away. I will give a discount if possible, price match or better if possible. Email me, call me 847 840 7366 9am - 5pm central, or msg me via FB and I'll see if I can help. Last year Marty bought a Spit starter and was very happy with the quality and service. You too can do the same if you like. Ralph HansenApex2Apex Motorsports LLC847 840 7366apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com ps: we'll be at the Chicago MG Swap Meet on 3/15 - stop on by and say hello a few of what I do keep on hand, (in small qty's) Flitz polish?Brit flags and stickers (over 100 diff countries avail) flag patches, lic plate, country ovalsWOSP starter (Spit only now)(others days away) one year warrantyThermoTec insulation, header wrapJet-Hot Ceramic coatings (I can facilitate your job)(as lifetime warranty)coming soon, neat tie downs (6ft, 6k rated, racing flags or brit/checkered flag imprinted) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 4 17:11:02 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 00:11:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Suppliers In-Reply-To: <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> References: <340922054.360337.1580857144436.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <340922054.360337.1580857144436@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, his starters were a step up from my previous gear reduction starter at a better price. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of ralph hansen via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 5:59 PM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Suppliers hello everyone, race season is around the corner and people be a building again - I have a small biz, Apex2Apex Motorsports, we're on FB and have a website - still building both. I have access to all kinds of things racey for cars, cells, drivers gear, restraints, plumbing, new gear drive starters for hundreds of cars, clutches, brakes, fire systems and dozens if not hundreds of different manufacturers. Years ago I was the buyer at Pegasus and I have many open doors in the performance industry giving me good access. We do not stock much at this point but product is an email or call away. I will give a discount if possible, price match or better if possible. Email me, call me 847 840 7366 9am - 5pm central, or msg me via FB and I'll see if I can help. Last year Marty bought a Spit starter and was very happy with the quality and service. You too can do the same if you like. Ralph Hansen Apex2Apex Motorsports LLC 847 840 7366 apex2apexmotorsports at yahoo.com ps: we'll be at the Chicago MG Swap Meet on 3/15 - stop on by and say hello a few of what I do keep on hand, (in small qty's) Flitz polish Brit flags and stickers (over 100 diff countries avail) flag patches, lic plate, country ovals WOSP starter (Spit only now)(others days away) one year warranty ThermoTec insulation, header wrap Jet-Hot Ceramic coatings (I can facilitate your job)(as lifetime warranty) coming soon, neat tie downs (6ft, 6k rated, racing flags or brit/checkered flag imprinted) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 21:23:37 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 20:23:37 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... Message-ID: Hello Amici, You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... Cheers, *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 22:13:29 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 21:13:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells In-Reply-To: <2b5922ef7cee4e52b4e9dc0c24e6f854@dieselperformanceparts.com> References: <7cb769a2bb7640b3ae107575685ab029@dieselperformanceparts.com> <2460C35C-87BE-4173-8F83-6AEC1D55B12B@comcast.net> <2b5922ef7cee4e52b4e9dc0c24e6f854@dieselperformanceparts.com> Message-ID: [image: IMG_2545 (Medium).JPG] Figured it was time to replace the 1970 fuel cell...Discovered the ATL 8 gallon was the exact same dimension except an inch taller. Used the original can with a 1 inch bar spacer...good to go! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:40 AM DPPI - Mark Craig < info at dieselperformanceparts.com> wrote: > YIKES, mine was bad but not that bad. > > > > [image: http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/logo_small_dppi.png] > > > > > > *Mark Craig *Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_facebook.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_twitter.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_googleplus.jpg] > [image: > http://dieselperformanceparts.com/media/mail/icon_social_linkedin.jpg] > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > *From:* Bud Rolofson [mailto:levilevi at comcast.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 4, 2020 12:38 PM > *To:* Brad Eells > *Cc:* DPPI - Mark Craig ; > fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells > > > > > > Literati, > > > > Here?s what I found when I replaced my ATL. Total failure, I?d been > driving a molotov cocktail. I had a recent receipt from the PO from ATL but > it was only for baffling not the bladder. Why both didn?t get done I don?t > know but I didn?t pay enough attention to the details and ended up with the > mess below. > > > > Take advantage of Mark?s offer and/or at least check things INSIDE the > box. I bought one just before Mark?s offer last year so I missed out on the > pricing but I learned a scary lesson. > > > > Bud > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > > > Amici, > > > > I took advantage of Mark?s kind offer last year...and saved some bucks! > > > > Thanks again Mark! > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 6:27 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > Morning Membership, > > > > I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the > members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. > > I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members > as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on > the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! > > Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might > have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get > forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 > years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to > go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different > engines, different gears etc. etc. > > Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated > into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and > a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was > 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had > been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have > smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. > > So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL > makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a > fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make > your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or > shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. > > Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. > > > > > > > > > > > *MARK CRAIG *Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. > 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 > www.dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phone: 615-834-0066 > Fax: 615-834-9923 > Email: mark at dieselperformanceparts.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net > > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also a new welded aluminium tank, without foam in it, will pass. 2 years ago, someone in our championchip had a rather heavy accident in a race and the fuel poured out of his new aluminium tank : a welded seam had splitted. Luckily there was no fire. Iit was made of straight sheets of aluminium, simply welded where the pieces come together, without making any rims or fringes or any other reinforcements, a 70 litres tank, without foam in it! It had passed the technical control. I mean, the guys at the technical control should think about what is really safe and unsafe, instead of only applying the rules in the book. An ATL cell is safe and worth the money. 5 years validity is on the low side, I think. It can be sent to the factory and then they will extend the validity with 2 years, but it is cheaper to buy a new one : the check at the factory + post and package is almost 2/3 of the price of a new one. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" , fot-bounces at autox.team.net Verzonden: Dinsdag 4 februari 2020 15:27:12 Onderwerp: [Fot] ATL Fuel Cells Morning Membership, I did this last year and it was pretty darn successful in saving the members some cash and maybe sparking some safety checks too. I am a WD with ATL Fuel Cells. I offer a special discount to FOT members as were a team overall, except that dang Spitfire Slater guy, when were on the track, got to kick his butt soon LOL!! Anyway it?s winter time, time to check your car for bad issues you might have missed at the last season. Fuel cells are the worst they sort of get forgotten. I found this out the hard way last year in a car I bought 10 years ago out of CT. I was told it had a new(er) cell and all was good to go. After a few years it just was always flat at the top end. Different engines, different gears etc. etc. Anyway eventually I discovered it was the cell. The foam had disintegrated into one ball about the size of a softball and it was gooey and sticky and a real mess. When I pulled the cell out the date stamp on the can was 1979. Well I was blown away and wondered what would have happened if I had been rear ended by a Corvette or Mustang or some heavy car that would have smashed the cell??? BOOM maybe. So go check yours, if you need a new one or a new bladder or whatever ATL makes, go to their web site and get me the part number you need. I am not a fuel cell expert, you need to just get the specs off their site and make your decision and I will order it and drop ship it to your home, office or shop. The pricing is good and of course ATL is the leader in cells too. Hope everybody enjoys the winter and maybe saves some bucks. [ https://mail.telenet.be/zimbra/dieselperformanceparts.com ] Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, Inc. 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211 [ http://www.dieselperformanceparts.com/ | www.dieselperformanceparts.com ] [ https://www.facebook.com/DieselPerformanceParts ] [ https://twitter.com/PerfectDiesel ] [ https://plus.google.com/u/0/104451046659790804057/posts ] [ http://www.linkedin.com/company/diesel-performance-parts-inc- ] Phone: 615-834-0066 Fax: 615-834-9923 Email: [ mailto:mark at dieselperformanceparts.com | mark at dieselperformanceparts.com ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Wed Feb 5 04:39:46 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 06:39:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fun! Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... > > Cheers, > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 06:01:16 2020 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 08:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road Atlanta sounds like fun as well. mike h On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: > Fun! > Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > ? > Hello Amici, > > You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale > for a cool $40K. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 > > My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both > Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the > race. > > My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road > Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! > > Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken > Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale > too... > > Cheers, > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Wed Feb 5 21:15:22 2020 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 23:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14F577B8-AA94-4E06-B766-C297AD0634E4@seiri.com> Wherever my old 1147 Spit has gotten to it has a Belden head... > On Feb 5, 2020, at 08:02, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road Atlanta sounds like fun as well. > > mike h > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot wrote: >> Fun! >> Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Hello Amici, >>> >>> You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale for a cool $40K. >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 >>> >>> My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly won the race. >>> >>> My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! >>> >>> Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale too... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Chino CA >>> #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 >>> #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 >>> 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just came across a set of Ferodo DS-11 compound, competition brake pads, for which I have no use.? I remember using the DS-11 compound, before I switched to Jag front brakes when SCCA allowed that in 1980 (Thanks to Group 44).? These are brand new pads, which I must have purchased as spares for the vintage TR-3 I built about 20 years ago.? These fit the first 2 generations of Triumph disk brake calipers.? They won't fit the TR-4 and later calipers (i.e they have no holes for retaining pins - see pictures).? If anyone has a use for these, make me an offer, and they're yours.? Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-30-20 - TR-3 Ferodo Competition Brake Pads1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2727718 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1-30-20 - TR-3 Ferodo Competition Brake Pads2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2303861 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 21:07:46 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 20:07:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Some fun history... In-Reply-To: <14F577B8-AA94-4E06-B766-C297AD0634E4@seiri.com> References: <14F577B8-AA94-4E06-B766-C297AD0634E4@seiri.com> Message-ID: All the Spitfires in the ARRC 1973 F Production Race are as follows - in order of finish 1. John Kelly 2. Rick Cline 3. Ken Slagle 13. John McCue DNF: Jim Gammon DNF: Doug Brown DNF: Ted Schumacher DNF: Gary Ouellette DNF: Joel Bender Where are they all now? Kelly, Cline, Slagle, Brown, Schumacher cars known to survive...how about the rest? Wonder how much horsepower Group 44 got out of that 1500 with a single Stromberg on it? Gotta love history! 2023 Cage Match at Road Atlanta?? *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 8:15 PM robert bownes via Fot wrote: > Wherever my old 1147 Spit has gotten to it has a Belden head... > > On Feb 5, 2020, at 08:02, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'll have the Rainville/ Belden Spit at Mid Ohio. Another K Cup at Road > Atlanta sounds like fun as well. > > mike h > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM Phil Gott via Fot > wrote: > >> Fun! >> Remember the Rainville/Belden Spitfire, too! >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 4, 2020, at 11:24 PM, Brad Eells via Fot >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Hello Amici, >> >> You may have seen the Group 44 1973 Championship Spitfire is up for sale >> for a cool $40K. >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Triumph-Cars-Trucks-Spitfire-/124069288168 >> >> My Spitfire was in that race as well along with Ted Schumacher's car. >> Both Ted's and my Doug Brown Spitfire were out by lap 3 while John Kelly >> won the race. >> >> My son had a great idea...Rematch 2023 for the 50th Anniversary at Road >> Atlanta! We can book up Kastner Cup venues for years! >> >> Ted...where is that Spitfire of yours? We need Ric Cline's and Ken >> Slagle's Spitfires there too! I think the Slagle Spitfire came up for sale >> too... >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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" Cheers, Tony D -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs For everyone's info.? This is a fun one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 07:40:03 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 08:40:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. Message-ID: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> FOT: Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 162204 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. See you there..... Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sat Feb 8 08:00:53 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio Message-ID: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. See you there. Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. JVV From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 8 08:34:19 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. In-Reply-To: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> References: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <330A3B2A-163D-437D-9AEE-CB9BABDE2213@aol.com> Thank you to the core FOT team for making all of this come together! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! > > And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. > > SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. > > Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ > > > THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. > > See you there..... > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 8 08:34:19 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sebring TR4 at the Kastner Cup with SVRA at Mid-Ohio in June 2020. In-Reply-To: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> References: <4DE80DFC-24DB-4E45-AD26-1D9E853F22A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <330A3B2A-163D-437D-9AEE-CB9BABDE2213@aol.com> Thank you to the core FOT team for making all of this come together! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > ?FOT: > > Sports Car Digest discusses iconic British Cars in Motorsports, going to Goodwood. But they fail to mention that Kas KASTNER?s Sebring TR4 was also invited to the Goodwood Members Meeting in March. Congratulations to Keith Files! > > And #38 is coming to the Kastner Cup at Mid-Ohio. Please note that this TR4 and Keith Files won the coveted Kastner Cup at Topeka, albeit in a different paint scheme. > > SVRA has done an excellent job of making the Reunion of #38, as prepared in 1963, with Kas Kastner at Mid-Ohio possible. Our thanks go to Tony Parella and Rick Parent. > > Be prepared to see this Historical Sebring TR4 driven by Championship Driver, Josh Files, at the Kastner Cup. New history in the making........ > > > THE POLE SITTER AT GOODWOOD LAST SEPTEMBER, with Josh Files driving. > > See you there..... > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 9 09:44:10 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] More Stuff to Get Rid of References: <1719626149.479205.1581266650120.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1719626149.479205.1581266650120@mail.yahoo.com> Toward the end of my racing career, I started using lightened Wrist Pins (Gudgeon Pins for you British.? Not to get too far off the track, but I always loved where the workshop manual describes the process called "Reaming the Gudgeon Pin Bush".? Maybe it's just me, but there must be a sexual connotation there someplace).? OK, back to the subject at hand.... My intention, of course, was to lighten the reciprocating mass in my TR-4 engine.? I found a guy in Quincy, IL who could have these lightened pins made up for me, and I ordered 2 sets.? By this time in my career, I was only running 4 or 5 races a year, just enough to get qualified for The Runoffs, and The Runoffs itself.? I ran these in both of my engines for a few years, then I bought 2 more sets to replace them in both engines.? These are the pins I replaced, and therefore, they do not have much track time on them. Externally, they are the same size as the stock wrist pins.? However, the wall thickness is only .87", compared to the stock wall thickness of about .161"? Thus the reduction in weight is considerable, with the stock pin weighing 143.4 grams, while the lightened pin weighs only 86.6 grams.? Multiply that difference times 4, and you have a total reduction of 227.2 grams of reciprocating mass.? And the good news is that I will let them go for only $25 plus shipping. ? Anyone interested? If no one is interested, I will put these on Ebay in about a week.? Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 9 11:29:16 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:29:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2020 Kastner Cup Tee Shirts Message-ID: <34F1BBD498CD438C8B05907012D74FA2@UserTHINK> 2020 Kastner Cup event Tee-Shirts, I?m starting early and often. Once again, I?ve agreed to coordinate the Tee-Shirt for this years event at Mid-Ohio. To develop pricing I need a show of interest and how many you?d like. The shirt will have a modified event poster as the artwork, (image attached) 100% cotton. Same quality as the 2018 shirts at Pitt-Race. Minimum quantity is 50 and based upon previous years this should be easy to attain. Initial price estimate is between $21.50 and $22 dollars, perhaps a bit lower if we can get to 100 shirts. Sizes available are small to 3X large (larger than 2X will cost an additional $4.00 however). Color will be a color called sand and all will be the same. If you have the 2019 Buttonwillow shirt it?s the same color as those. Very nice shirt. The shirt will have drivers names listed on the back and Drivers will have Driver printed on the sleeve. $1.00 extra fee for the sleeve printing. So please respond with your level of interest and how many you?d like. Indicate size and if Driver needs to be placed on the sleeve ASAP. If you will not attend but want a shirt; mailing will be extra and to be determined at this point. Prepayment will be required as I need the cash before I order the shirts. Payment will be accepted via Pay-Pal or a check. Payment details later. Cut off date for orders will be early May unless the printer needs more time. Delivery will be at Mid-Ohio during the event or mailed if not attending. I will advise final price and when payments are due based upon pre-order quantity sometime around the middle of April. WPTA Members can pick up at WPTA events. I?ll keep a record, need your name and e-mail address. Questions? Email me. Thanks, Jerry Van Vlack aka JVV jerryvv at roadrunner.com. That?s jerry v v and not a w in the email address.Yes it happens. WPTA Member and long time FOT supporter via WPTA?s involvement. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Mon Feb 10 06:51:41 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:51:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 10 07:05:03 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <742845365.594104.1581343503175@mail.yahoo.com> We played around with rocker ratios on a computer simulation of a TR4 engine. ?The added lift increased max HP by about 3 HP peak. ?Low end (under about 3500 rpm) torque was actually reduced a very small amount. ?If the TR6 results were similar, probably not worth the hassle of added valve spring issues and reduced valve guide length (greater valve guide wear). For what it's worth.... Phil -----Original Message----- From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot To: Michael Zbarsky Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Panorama - Bathurst Message-ID: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Mon Feb 10 13:33:56 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:33:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] V8 Supercars at Mt. Panorama - Bathurst In-Reply-To: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: ? https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! Ken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Feb 10 13:43:16 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 06:43:16 +1000 Subject: [Fot] V8 Supercars at Mt. Panorama - Bathurst In-Reply-To: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> References: <000001d5e04f$2a77f340$7f67d9c0$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: we just had the "liquid-moly" 12 hour GT race there. A few guys came from USA to race A bunch of triumph club members go each year. its a hoot of a track to race on. we managed to get it for a closed triumph club event about 15 years ago. terry o'beirne On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:18 AM Kenneth Knight via Fot wrote: > https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY > > Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. > This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. > Enjoy! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hasty via Fot wrote: > Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot > wrote: > > ? > > https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY > > Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. > This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. > Enjoy! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Until you have run there , you cant appreciate the speed over the top of the mountain, followed by the fall, then the run down con-rod straight into the "chase" which looks like a gentle sweep on TV, but is dam near a right hand turn when you hit it in a triumph doing +120MPH. even the european guys who come here say its iconic and totally different to anything they have , except for parts of Spa and Nurburgring Terry On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:34 AM John H. Hasty via Fot > wrote: Yes, but BTC is just as good in my humble opinion..... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Kenneth Knight via Fot > wrote: ? https://youtu.be/1jHUjT02OhY Hands down, week in week out, the best road racing series on the planet. This lap is beyond awesome on a track the rival of Spa and Road America. Enjoy! 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URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon Feb 10 14:00:18 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:00:18 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <81600360.571264.1581298467664.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <81600360.571264.1581298467664@mail.yahoo.com> <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: when i last flowed our race head, we got steady increases up to 0.550" lift. its easy enough to spot face the spring base on the head to use longer springs Terry On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 11:52 PM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will > be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 10 17:07:06 2020 From: gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:07:06 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <862675286.59039308.1581342701194.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <677DCFD5-A037-4534-993D-B8CD67ECB0CE@optusnet.com.au> Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? 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On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? 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We both get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 15:27:09 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:27:09 -0800 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> Looks like it?s down for whatever reason. Little activity on the Facebook page as well? Maybe time for a social media revisit? Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > ? > A street Triumph driver was asking me if this was still up. We both get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Feb 11 16:22:36 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:22:36 +1000 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> References: <26B8D220-F3BC-4C57-826D-D5470E74A90D@gmail.com> Message-ID: ive not seen any on FOT FB page for months. was not aware of the other one i'll dig out & post a few pics of racing triumphs here in OZ just to get come activity terry On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:27 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Looks like it?s down for whatever reason. Little activity on the Facebook > page as well? > > Maybe time for a social media revisit? > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 11, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: > > > > ? > > A street Triumph driver was asking me if this was still up. 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We both > get a DNS error. > Is there a different website now or just the Facebook page? > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Feb 11 18:23:07 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 01:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 12 01:22:08 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 01:22:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] http://www.fot-racing.com still a valid URL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41aea74b-6cc0-8588-594b-0dabb7f81cdd@bradakis.com> On 2/11/20 4:35 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > Henry Frye > still making this stuff work after all these years... I hear that! mjb. From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Feb 11 22:50:21 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:50:21 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: thanks Richard some folks might like to read this link https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html I disagree with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger diameter core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more flexibility when regrinding. You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a change of 0.100" in lifter diameter (a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak velocity. Changing the lifter diameter is not for the feint-hearted, especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block to promote lifter rotation. It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment Terry O'Beirne Road and Track enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au ph 0428 815 117 On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot wrote: > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing > the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of > a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for > too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the > lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. > However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, > increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that > valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach > desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can > open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 > rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve > about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of > time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a > huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with > a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would > decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. > Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out > for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period > caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. > Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable > performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. > I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep > the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne < > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will > be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 12 01:33:43 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:33:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1682166273.1245558.1581470587874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2089397276.66746715.1581496423688.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World. Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From kkjjk at aol.com Wed Feb 12 08:07:52 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quiet_Birdmen_-_Wikipedia=2E_______Ref=3A_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFNpbGVudCBIb3JzZW1lbuKAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <719468389.2086136.1581520072513@mail.yahoo.com> Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots). It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster! Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? > > FOT: > If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: > > Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen. Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. > > For the most part we have succeeded in being that. > > With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?. Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. > > However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?. They said it couldn?t be done. > > So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World. Something to be proud of, methinks. > > Please read the link below: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s good to revisit the concept. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: ? Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 08:48:52 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:48:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quiet_Birdmen_-_Wikipedia=2E_______Ref=3A_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhlIFNpbGVudCBIb3JzZW1lbuKAnQ==?= In-Reply-To: <1065324772.2097752.1581522303194@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1065324772.2097752.1581522303194@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DFA58F7-8651-4973-874B-6AC6482794DC@gmail.com> We should come up with Membership Cards like the QBs, but that requires an organization. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:45 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: > > ? > Very cool, Joe. And a good model for FOT as well. Now I see Henry's reference was to the Horsemen. Thanks!- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > To: kkjjk > Cc: FOT > Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 10:24 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? > > Jay, I have been a member since the 60s. Very quietly. > > Henry?s reference was to the ?silent horsemen?. But I knew what he meant. I got a kick out of that. Anyway, we have kind of a model for the FOT. > > It?s good to revisit the concept. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >>> On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: >>> >> ? >> Joe- Thanks for the information. I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen. Was it a recent email? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots). It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster! Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Alexander via Fot >> To: fot >> Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am >> Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? >> >> FOT: >> If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: >> >> Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen. Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. >> >> For the most part we have succeeded in being that. >> >> With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?. Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. >> >> However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?. They said it couldn?t be done. >> >> So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World. Something to be proud of, methinks. >> >> Please read the link below: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And a good model for FOT as well.? Now I see Henry's reference was to the Horsemen.? Thanks!-? -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: kkjjk Cc: FOT Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? Jay, I have been a member since the 60s. ?Very quietly. Henry?s reference was to the ?silent horsemen?. But I knew what he meant. I got a kick out of that. Anyway, we have kind of a model for the FOT.? It?s good to revisit the concept. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 9:07 AM, kkjjk at aol.com wrote: ? Joe-? Thanks for the information.? I did not see Henry's email with reference to the Quiet Birdmen.? Was it a recent email?? I have to say I am somewhat embarrassed to never having heard of the QB Club, being that I come from an dedicated aviation family (dad, brother, uncle, 3 nephews, all either fighter, military or airline pilots).? It is a very interesting club, with an amazing roster!? Thanks for sharing.-- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 9:35 am Subject: [Fot] Quiet Birdmen - Wikipedia. Ref: ?The Silent Horsemen? FOT: If you read Henry Frye?s comments, which included a reference to ?the quiet horsemen?, here is the story: Very early on, Mordy Dunst and I discussed the image we wanted to present. I likened it to be like The Quiet Birdmen.? Low key, under the radar, while not being exclusive or elitist. For the most part we have succeeded in being that. With the Kastner Cup Series, that makes being low key hard to do. But I still like the concept of the ?QBs?.? Please read the the Wikipedia definition and history of the QBs. It is entertaining, and you will note, that the QBs have evolved over the years, just as we have. However, we remain a highly successful ?non-organization?.? They said it couldn?t be done.? So there you have it: we are the QBs of the Triumph Racing World.? Something to be proud of, methinks. Please read the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Birdmen Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Wed Feb 12 09:25:10 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,?dare I answer this...Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher.?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation ?7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Wed Feb 12 11:19:58 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:19:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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Is that still the case? > > Ed > > > > Edward Dunn > President > > Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. > 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 > Sammamish, WA 98029 > > 425-526-7566 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 12:16:51 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:16:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com> References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? Ed Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Feb 12 12:32:09 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:32:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> Ken G. Would be upset if you don?t include drag racing.... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: ? I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? Ed Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Feb 12 12:32:13 2020 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:32:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FoT Message-ID: Nice. Be cool to see a Triumph rallying... Edward Dunn President Quality Fuel Trailer and Tank, Inc. 4580 Klahanie Drive SE, #423 Sammamish, WA 98029 425-526-7566 [cid:image002.jpg at 01D5E198.11A1E980] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14632 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 12:43:56 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:43:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT / QB In-Reply-To: <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> References: <0D0BEF82-27CE-4346-80D7-84564517A9F7@gmail.com>, <6DF52426-FFF1-40CA-AD6F-F9280325630E@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: ?and perhaps use in aircraft? (see Monty Python Cut-Price Airline sketch) From: John H. Hasty Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:32 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: Joe Alexander ; Edward Dunn ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Ken G. Would be upset if you don?t include drag racing.... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 12, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: ? I?d say that?s true if we read ?road racer? as used in Ed?s email to include a pretty broad swath of motorsports uses. I joined the FOT in 1998 when I started using my GT6 for track days at Blackhawk Farms. Bob Wismer spotted me and brought me in, knowing that I?d need the help. Road racing, autocross, track days, rally, rally cross, whatever. I think there are some involved in all of that here. Hell, circle track if they?re out there? Scott (B.) From: Fot > On Behalf Of Joe Alexander via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 1:10 PM To: Edward Dunn > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT / QB Essentially true. There are some exceptions where some folks are able to make a serious contribution to our activities, such as the Kastner Cup. Media and Technical Folks might be found in that list of exceptions. Thanks for asking. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Feb 12, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn via Fot > wrote: ? My understanding of the Friends of Triumph, was that you had to be a current or former road racer of a Triumph or Triumph powered vehicle. Is that still the case? 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URL: From mhado at att.net Wed Feb 12 12:47:32 2020 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:47:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009e01d5e1dd$4501de30$cf059a90$@att.net> Jack, I had a 55 TR3 with the lights as you described. I put a separate small red LED (pretty bright, actually) inside the lens of each of the outer fixtures. I got them from a local electronics store. I epoxied it to the base and wired it in parallel with the existing center brake light. It was pretty easy to do and the result was three brake lights that came on at the same time. The regular dual filament bulb still worked as normal with the parking light and turn signal. As a side note, some of the MGA?s (not all of them, but just a few years) had a special electrical box of some kind under the bonnet that allowed three functions using the two filaments in the rear outer lamp assemblies. I first noticed this when I saw an MGA with just the outer assembly (no brake light in the center), similar to our TR2?s and 3?s, and it had the standard two filament bulb on each side. I asked the owner how he got three functions with only two filaments and he shrugged his shoulders. He had the wiring diagram with him so I looked it over and it?s a solid state (I think) or electro-mechanical black box device that allows a dual function for one of the filaments. I?m guessing that it was the brakes and turn signals on the same filament, but not sure. Still, it was pretty slick. I was more curious than anything so I never looked into it further. That was a few years ago. Mike Hado From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:03 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Technical Question Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake pedal is depressed? Originally, these cars were wired so that the brake light was in the same fixture as the license plate lamp. Only one lamp - a safety issue. I have heard of people re-wiring it so that the outer lamps (tail lights) also come on when the brake pedal is depressed (like the later TR-3's). Does anyone know how to wire it to make this happen? Thanks for your help. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhado at att.net Wed Feb 12 12:47:32 2020 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:47:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009e01d5e1dd$4501de30$cf059a90$@att.net> Jack, I had a 55 TR3 with the lights as you described. I put a separate small red LED (pretty bright, actually) inside the lens of each of the outer fixtures. I got them from a local electronics store. I epoxied it to the base and wired it in parallel with the existing center brake light. It was pretty easy to do and the result was three brake lights that came on at the same time. The regular dual filament bulb still worked as normal with the parking light and turn signal. As a side note, some of the MGA?s (not all of them, but just a few years) had a special electrical box of some kind under the bonnet that allowed three functions using the two filaments in the rear outer lamp assemblies. I first noticed this when I saw an MGA with just the outer assembly (no brake light in the center), similar to our TR2?s and 3?s, and it had the standard two filament bulb on each side. I asked the owner how he got three functions with only two filaments and he shrugged his shoulders. He had the wiring diagram with him so I looked it over and it?s a solid state (I think) or electro-mechanical black box device that allows a dual function for one of the filaments. I?m guessing that it was the brakes and turn signals on the same filament, but not sure. Still, it was pretty slick. I was more curious than anything so I never looked into it further. That was a few years ago. Mike Hado From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack Wheeler via Fot Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:03 AM To: FOT List Subject: [Fot] Technical Question Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake pedal is depressed? Originally, these cars were wired so that the brake light was in the same fixture as the license plate lamp. Only one lamp - a safety issue. I have heard of people re-wiring it so that the outer lamps (tail lights) also come on when the brake pedal is depressed (like the later TR-3's). Does anyone know how to wire it to make this happen? Thanks for your help. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Feb 12 13:09:17 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:09:17 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as tail, stop and turn. You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to the relays.) -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jack Wheeler via Fot > Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake > light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when > the brake pedal is depressed? From ponobill at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 16:11:25 2020 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:11:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: > > I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as > tail, stop and turn. > > You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to > connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). > However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two > relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 > relays. Here's a brief schematic > https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg > > FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the > original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of > sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket > together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the > control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light > switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a > mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) > > The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. > (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've > decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to > the relays.) > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> Jack Wheeler via Fot > >> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake >> light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when >> the brake pedal is depressed? > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Feb 12 16:14:54 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple duty as >> tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold to >> connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with only two >> relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I re-did it with 3 >> relays. Here's a brief schematic >> https://i.imgur.com/WWBJhUE.jpg >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out of >> sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal pocket >> together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area where the >> control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to the brake light >> switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, as I converted to a >> mechanically operated switch instead of the original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But I've >> decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects to wire to >> the relays.) >> >> -- Randall >> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >>> Jack Wheeler via Fot >> >>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake >>> light so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when >>> the brake pedal is depressed? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com > > From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Feb 12 16:20:57 2020 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 23:20:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> , <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: I understood 31% of the words in Bill's post. Isn't The MOSFETS a Moroccan street gang? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM To: Ponostyle Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >> duty as tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with >> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >> re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out >> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >> pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >> the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, >> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >> original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But >> I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects >> to wire to the relays.) >> >> -- Randall >> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack >>> Wheeler via Fot >> >>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light >>> so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake >>> pedal is depressed? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. >> fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca02ecb125 >> 5364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C >> 637171461142229208&sdata=v0eVngUTxGR%2B1vd%2FGJT783PtZGJNuPRW00CZ >> lS7Pd2U%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Donate: >> 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From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation References: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> Terry, True.? The original cams do not have very large lobes to work with.? Re-grinding to a higher lift requires reduction of the base circle radius which also reduces all of the radii in the profile.? Any cam profile has a minimum recommended base circle radius in order to maintain an acceptable radius at all points on the profile.? The smallest radius may actually be on either side of the tip but it is easier to visualize if you think of having, let's say a healthy .200" radius at the tip when the base circle is at .60" radius.? If you grind that profile onto a small core that requires grinding the base circle to .40", the radius at the tip will now be zero.? The new chilled iron semi-finished cams with un-finished lobes offer much more meat to work with and harder material than the original cams. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Enquiries Road & Track wrote: thanks Richard some folks might like to read this link?https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html? ? I disagree?with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger diameter?core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more flexibility when regrinding.?? You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a? change of 0.100"? in lifter diameter?(a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak velocity. Changing the lifter diameter?is not for the feint-hearted, especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block to promote lifter rotation.? It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment Terry O'Beirne ? ? ? ? Road and Trackenquiries at roadandtrack.net.au ph 0428 815 117 On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot wrote: Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: ?I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? 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URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Feb 12 15:57:52 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 08:57:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <425273397.1433129.1581524153795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <425273397.1433129.1581524153795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: interesting comment re newer cam blanks i got some 6 cyl ones recently and they are hard as XXXXX. and the cast iron appearance is unbelievably rough...yes, agree, they have much bigger cores and base circles. I suspect they are of turkish origin. it looks like an original cam had each lobe widened a bit (crudely) and then a mould was made. i dont have a cam grinder in my shop, but my local cam man also commented on the hardness On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 2:15 AM Richard Good wrote: > Terry, > > True. The original cams do not have very large lobes to work with. > Re-grinding to a higher lift requires reduction of the base circle radius > which also reduces all of the radii in the profile. Any cam profile has a > minimum recommended base circle radius in order to maintain an acceptable > radius at all points on the profile. The smallest radius may actually be > on either side of the tip but it is easier to visualize if you think of > having, let's say a healthy .200" radius at the tip when the base circle is > at .60" radius. If you grind that profile onto a small core that requires > grinding the base circle to .40", the radius at the tip will now be zero. > > The new chilled iron semi-finished cams with un-finished lobes offer much > more meat to work with and harder material than the original cams. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Enquiries Road & Track < > enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au> wrote: > thanks Richard > > some folks might like to read this link > https://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/TriumphCams.html > > I disagree with your comment about grinding stock cams. You cannot > always get the lift desired as in some cases, you would end up grinding > below the core of shaft. Again, this was a real common problem with early > 2000 & 2500 cams , which is whey they were often welded on the nose as part > of the modification process. In later production, the factory used a larger > diameter core , presumably to aid stiffness, but that gives a bit more > flexibility when regrinding. > > You correctly point out that as you increase the lifter diameter then the > peak velocity can also change. if you run the maths, a change of 0.100" > in lifter diameter (a lot really) gives a 10% increase in acceptable peak > velocity. Changing the lifter diameter is not for the feint-hearted, > especially in a 6 cylinder where the lifter bores are angled to the block > to promote lifter rotation. > > It would be good if Geoff Byrne elaborates a bit on his comment > > Terry O'Beirne > > > > > > > Road and Track > enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > ph 0428 815 117 > > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Richard Good via Fot > wrote: > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing > the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of > a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for > too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the > lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. > However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, > increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that > valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach > desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can > open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 > rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve > about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of > time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a > huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with > a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would > decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. > Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out > for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period > caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. > Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable > performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. > I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep > the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne < > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 > engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also > from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race > camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, > I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a > G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? > at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is > that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes > for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that > lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit > (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - > 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my > engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower > of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough > till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would > work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is > new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm > cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller > rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? 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Hasty via Fot > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM > To: Ponostyle > Cc: Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question > > Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: >> >> ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32. The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. >> >>> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >>> >>> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >>> duty as tail, stop and turn. >>> >>> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >>> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >>> However, I did mine with relays. Initial conversion was done with >>> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >>> re-did it with 3 relays. Here's a brief schematic >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >>> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >>> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >>> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >>> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >>> original wiring harness. The relays are mounted under the dash, out >>> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >>> pocket together. A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >>> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >>> the brake light switch. (Which in my case is still under the dash, >>> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >>> original hydraulic one.) >>> >>> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >>> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping. But >>> I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects >>> to wire to the relays.) >>> >>> -- Randall >>> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >>> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >>> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack >>>> Wheeler via Fot >>>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light >>>> so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake >>>> pedal is depressed? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. >>> fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca02ecb125 >>> 5364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C >>> 637171461142229208&sdata=v0eVngUTxGR%2B1vd%2FGJT783PtZGJNuPRW00CZ >>> lS7Pd2U%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> Donate: >>> 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Huovinen) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 03:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: <75879936.2465726.1581564834652@mail.yahoo.com> Scott, I think I found Bill's FOT post on youtube:?https://youtu.be/MXW0bx_Ooq4 Check it out! hahahahaha M. Huovinen -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott via Fot To: John H. Hasty ; Ponostyle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2020 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question I understood 31% of the words in Bill's post.? Isn't The MOSFETS a Moroccan street gang? -----Original Message----- From: Fot On Behalf Of John H. Hasty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:15 PM To: Ponostyle Cc: Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Technical Question Good Lord... this tail lite thing is out of control! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > > ?Anytime the surf sucks in Maui I?ve been working on control systems for the electrical stuff in the 1978 GMC moho I?m updating. One component is a wireless brake/turn/tail/backup light using an ESP32.? The turn signals are sequential. Seeing sequential turn signals in a little Lucas taillight would freak people out. If you weren?t going to do all the wacky wireless stuff it would be easy to combine features with an Arduino and a few MOSFETS, or better yet a mosfet board that includes opto couplers. The code is pretty simple, though my current version is written for using MQQT via wireless?for any geeks out there. > >> On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Randall via Fot wrote: >> >> I have my street TR3 wired that way; so the corner lamps do triple >> duty as tail, stop and turn. >> >> You can buy a solid state device to do the conversion (commonly sold >> to connect a "3 wire" trailer to a car that has separate turn and stop lights). >> However, I did mine with relays.? Initial conversion was done with >> only two relays, but then when I started converting to LED lamps, I >> re-did it with 3 relays.? Here's a brief schematic >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.i >> mgur.com%2FWWBJhUE.jpg&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca >> 02ecb1255364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C >> 0%7C0%7C637171461142229208&sdata=ApW6F73vWaN9SYlQjCjiN6SZ8lmg%2Fq >> TfwPhBzwzHhhY%3D&reserved=0 >> >> FWIW, this was done with no permanent modifications to the car or the >> original wiring harness.? The relays are mounted under the dash, out >> of sight, on the back of one of the bolts that holds the brake pedal >> pocket together.? A new sub-harness runs from there up to the area >> where the control head wires join the main harness, plus one wire to >> the brake light switch.? (Which in my case is still under the dash, >> as I converted to a mechanically operated switch instead of the >> original hydraulic one.) >> >> The relays are just cheap automotive relays; couple buck each on flea-bay. >> (ISTR I bought 10 of them, with sockets, for $20 with shipping.? But >> I've decided I don't like the sockets, so I just use quick connects >> to wire to the relays.) >> >> -- Randall >> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver >> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild >> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jack >>> Wheeler via Fot >> >>> Has anyone with a street TR-2 or early TR-3 rewired the brake light >>> so the outer lamp fixtures (tail lights) come on when the brake >>> pedal is depressed? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. >> fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7Csbarr%40mccarty-law.com%7Ca02ecb125 >> 5364e7b637e08d7b0116973%7C5027ac9b577b4efca8a99ee22eb53484%7C0%7C0%7C >> 637171461142229208&sdata=v0eVngUTxGR%2B1vd%2FGJT783PtZGJNuPRW00CZ >> lS7Pd2U%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Donate: >> 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URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Feb 12 22:19:03 2020 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 21:19:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> > Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. > That's about all I know about MOSFETs! MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only logic level outputs. They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake light in this (very brief) video https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located inside the center brake light. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 13 05:42:56 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> Message-ID: <528e34ab-639a-5214-3e06-20d73f8e53b0@verizon.net> Great description; thanks. Bill On 2/13/2020 12:19 AM, Randall wrote: >> Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. >> That's about all I know about MOSFETs! > MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control > element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input > resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only > logic level outputs. > > They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making > them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got > for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available > that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). > > Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake > light in this (very brief) video > https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ > > But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks > are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple > is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs > and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located > inside the center brake light. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Feb 13 05:42:56 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Technical Question In-Reply-To: <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> References: <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1853602879.1544109.1581433354210@mail.yahoo.com> <5F33EBC8-00E5-40C8-A64B-B9ED31A252FB@mhc-law.com> <69460eaf-6437-9317-8432-09b6c5e4af57@verizon.net> <9703672EF6E045C69974EAE7E560F346@RYPC> Message-ID: <528e34ab-639a-5214-3e06-20d73f8e53b0@verizon.net> Great description; thanks. Bill On 2/13/2020 12:19 AM, Randall wrote: >> Metal oxide semiconductor field effect transistor I think. >> That's about all I know about MOSFETs! > MOSFETs basically have a very thin layer of glass between the control > element and the rest of the transistor, giving them a very high input > resistance and hence easy to control from a microprocessor that has only > logic level outputs. > > They also can be designed with very low resistance in the ON state, making > them ideal for handling high currents. I use some older ones (that I got > for free) that are good to 12 amps or so; while there are versions available > that can handle 500 amps (probably even more by now). > > Didn't really need a MOSFET here, but that's what controls the center brake > light in this (very brief) video > https://youtu.be/q4GMcD9DktQ > > But unlike Bill, I didn't bother with using a microprocessor. The 4 blinks > are provided by an old fashioned NE556 integrated circuit. Sometimes simple > is better. The entire circuit, including active current limit for the LEDs > and some more LEDs to provide a license plate light (not shown), is located > inside the center brake light. > > -- Randall > 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver > 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild > 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 10:29:01 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 09:29:01 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Message-ID: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! *Brad Eells* *Chino CA* *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Hello Amici, > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your > experience has been? > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > Thanks! > > > *Brad Eells* > *Chino CA* > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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High revving meaning over 6000 regularly. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh > as part of screens and windage trays in other engines > > Terry > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > >> Hello Amici, >> >> I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what >> your experience has been? >> >> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html >> >> They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> *Chino CA* >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Thu Feb 13 16:39:39 2020 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? References: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544@mail.yahoo.com> Thank goodness my motor?doesn't?rev beyond 6k MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626thank good.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Thursday, February 13, 2020,?Kas Kastner via Fot??wrote: I devoted eight pages to this device in my third?book starting on page 108 for those with a copy, "Racing, Winning and other Myths". On any high revving?racing engine I always thought a "must". High revving meaning over 6000 regularly. Never be beaten by equipment. On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html? They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! [Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html? They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! ? Brad EellsChino CA#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR41965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 21:18:51 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 20:18:51 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544@mail.yahoo.com> References: <603033078.2614239.1581637179544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92A755EA-F806-4E56-BA42-A9BB8DE7CE3E@gmail.com> I have discovered that beyond 8K is bad for my engine. Gotta pay attention on those downshifts going into T2 at Buttonwillow... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > ?Thank goodness my motor doesn't rev beyond 6k > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626thank good.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Thursday, February 13, 2020, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > I devoted eight pages to this device in my third book starting on page 108 for those with a copy, "Racing, Winning and other Myths". On any high revving racing engine I always thought a "must". High revving meaning over 6000 regularly. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:53 PM Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: > have had one in my 2500 race engine for years. also use their 1-way mesh as part of screens and windage trays in other engines > > Terry > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > Hello Amici, > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > Thanks! > > > Brad Eells > Chino CA > #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 > #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 > 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Fri Feb 14 14:13:28 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:13:28 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: i'm happy to send out pics of my 6 cyl crank scraper and windage tray if anyone is interested Terry On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:12 AM Chuck WATSON via Fot wrote: > I always enjoy Chris?s posts. I know he?s fast. If he were a billiards > player would he be considered a shark? > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* Fot on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM > *To:* fot at autox. team. net > *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > > My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for > sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. > > I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. > > > > I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. > > That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts > which makes the car easier to run. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Brad Eells via > Fot > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 > *An:* fot > *Betreff:* [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > > > Hello Amici, > > > > I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your > experience has been? > > > > http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html > > > > They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > *Brad Eells* > > *Chino CA* > > *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* > > *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* > > *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* > > *[image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]* > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If he were a billiards >> player would he be considered a shark? >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Fot on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM >> *To:* fot at autox. team. net >> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? >> >> >> My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for >> sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. >> >> I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. >> >> >> >> I?m always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. >> >> That?s why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the >> parts which makes the car easier to run. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Brad Eells via >> Fot >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 >> *An:* fot >> *Betreff:* [Fot] Crank Scrapers? >> >> >> >> Hello Amici, >> >> >> >> I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what >> your experience has been? >> >> >> >> http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html >> >> >> >> They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> *Brad Eells* >> >> *Chino CA* >> >> *#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3* >> >> *#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4* >> >> *1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!* >> >> *[image: Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.]* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I'm not after winning, I'm going for a good fight and don't care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck WATSON Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 01:12 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; fot at autox. team. net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? I always enjoy Chris's posts. I know he's fast. If he were a billiards player would he be considered a shark? Get Outlook for iOS _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I'm always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That's why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Feb 14 14:40:35 2020 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:40:35 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: , <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01d5e37f$6441e710$2cc5b530$@gmail.com> Thank Scott, I'm below average at Pool Billiard. Not my kind of game. And racing is just practice. The more you drive, the more you analyze your driving in a honest way the better you get. I've met people who think they're great drivers but aren't, they are unable to progress. They are doing wrong for years and most of the time give up one day. Drivers who has doubts about their performance and don't blame the car are on the right way for getting great. Cheers Chris Von: Barr, Scott Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 22:35 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com Betreff: RE: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? American English metaphor - "pool shark" is a person very good at pool (billiards), but quiet about it so as to be able to surprise an opponent and take his money. From: Fot > On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 3:30 PM To: 'fot at autox. team. net' > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I'm more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result - the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I'm not after winning, I'm going for a good fight and don't care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris Von: Chuck WATSON > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Februar 2020 01:12 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com ; fot at autox. team. net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? I always enjoy Chris's posts. I know he's fast. If he were a billiards player would he be considered a shark? Get Outlook for iOS _____ From: Fot > on behalf of Chris Marx via Fot > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:46:29 PM To: fot at autox. team. net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? My engine is very basic, easy to service, nothing fancy on it. And for sure not a top notch racing car but reliable. I still run the thick belt and pulleys for instance and a standard crank. I'm always a friend of less parts, then less parts can fail. That's why I remove as many parts from the car as I can and keep the parts which makes the car easier to run. Cheers Chris Von: Fot > Im Auftrag von Brad Eells via Fot Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2020 18:29 An: fot > Betreff: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Hello Amici, I am curious if anyone has used this product in their engine and what your experience has been? http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Triumph.html They apparently make them for all the 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Thanks! Brad Eells Chino CA #72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3 #35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4 1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 440 bytes Desc: not available URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Feb 14 16:42:34 2020 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:42:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> References: , <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris speaks the truth. QB Henry ~~~ On 2020-02-14 16:30, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to > keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best > between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the > driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 > hp more out of an engine. From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 14 16:58:15 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 23:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal References: <670118127.3366487.1581724695155.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <670118127.3366487.1581724695155@mail.yahoo.com> I have worked on British Cars (mostly TR-3's and 4's) all my life.? Until now, I have successfully avoided working on Stromberg carburetors.? Recently a friend who knows I work on British cars, asked me if I could rebuild a carb on a Spitfire he was working on.? For some crazy reason, I accepted this challenge.? It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the year of the car). I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston.? The only manuals I have for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in constant changes to the carburetors.? So far, I have removed the piston and diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose.? Then, I removed the set screw in the side of the piston.? Now, the whole needle assembly turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it.? But, it won't come out.? Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? Thanks for any ideas you can give me.? Also, can anyone recommend a manual for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the > year of the car). > > I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston. The only manuals I have > for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, > especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of > production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in > constant changes to the carburetors. So far, I have removed the piston and > diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise > for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose. Then, I removed > the set screw in the side of the piston. Now, the whole needle assembly > turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it. But, it > won't come out. Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck > real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? > > Thanks for any ideas you can give me. Also, can anyone recommend a manual > for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 890747 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Feb 14 21:32:11 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:32:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. > > I?m more about effort. > > Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, > making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. > > Saving resources and money. > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to > keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best > between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the > driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 > hp more out of an engine. > > The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have > about 30-40 cars on the track. > > Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then > there is the car in front you want to overtake. > > That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in > mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. > > I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much > about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. > > Cheers > > Chris > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 15 01:08:35 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 09:08:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my car in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? This is a wrong idea : it is not about or/or/or... but about and/and/and. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I?m more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 15 05:09:22 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire/gt6 door handles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71A40CF4-0462-451A-9AA2-C0CCC504F22D@aol.com> Terry: If you have a part number or a picture, I might be able to help. I have some NOS door handjes, some in their Stanparts boxes, but being a TR4 guy, I don?t know what they fit. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2020, at 4:40 AM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: > > ? > does anyone know of a plastic replacement for the die cast original inside door opening and window winder handles ??. i'm guessing the square "peg" drive is common to other cars of the era and my recollection is BMC 1100's and such had the same. I'm looking for a weight saving in the race car and at the same time getting rid of some 50 year old bits that look decidedly tatty as the chrome is all bubbling from core metal breakdown > > thanks > > Terry > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sat Feb 15 05:09:22 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire/gt6 door handles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71A40CF4-0462-451A-9AA2-C0CCC504F22D@aol.com> Terry: If you have a part number or a picture, I might be able to help. I have some NOS door handjes, some in their Stanparts boxes, but being a TR4 guy, I don?t know what they fit. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2020, at 4:40 AM, Enquiries Road & Track via Fot wrote: > > ? > does anyone know of a plastic replacement for the die cast original inside door opening and window winder handles ??. i'm guessing the square "peg" drive is common to other cars of the era and my recollection is BMC 1100's and such had the same. I'm looking for a weight saving in the race car and at the same time getting rid of some 50 year old bits that look decidedly tatty as the chrome is all bubbling from core metal breakdown > > thanks > > Terry > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Feb 15 05:56:18 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal References: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961@mail.yahoo.com> Leave the setscrew in the side loose, in order to locate & keep the needle from turning, until the little internal allen screw is unscrewed, then remove the setscrew and pull the needle out.It may require pliers if it has been in there for awhile.You can then tap the allen screw and funky washer out from bottom to top with a 1/4 punch.Don't forget to replace the little O-ring that seals the dashpot.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Feb 14, 2020 7:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal I have worked on British Cars (mostly TR-3's and 4's) all my life.? Until now, I have successfully avoided working on Stromberg carburetors.? Recently a friend who knows I work on British cars, asked me if I could rebuild a carb on a Spitfire he was working on.? For some crazy reason, I accepted this challenge.? It is from a 1978 Spitfire (at least that's the year of the car). I'm trying to remove the needle from the piston.? The only manuals I have for a Stromberg carb are for a TR-6, and I'm not sure they are the same, especially since this car was made 2 years after the TR-6 went out of production, in an era when emissions laws kept changing resulting in constant changes to the carburetors.? So far, I have removed the piston and diaphragm, and using a TR-6 adjusting tool, I turned it counter-clockwise for a number of turns, or until I figured it was loose.? Then, I removed the set screw in the side of the piston.? Now, the whole needle assembly turns in the piston when I use the adjusting tool to turn it.? But, it won't come out.? Is there something else I need to do, or is it just stuck real well after sitting for the last 20 or so years? Thanks for any ideas you can give me.? Also, can anyone recommend a manual for late 70's Stromberg carbs used on the Spitfire? Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Feb 15 07:06:53 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stromberg Carb - Needle Removal In-Reply-To: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2128969204.2427037.1581771378961@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17073ccc-bb9d-a5d5-b754-77b24881b4e6@bradakis.com> On 2/15/20 5:56 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote: > You can then tap the allen screw and funky washer out from bottom to > top with a 1/4 punch. > Don't forget to replace the little O-ring that seals the dashpot. Driving that "funky washer" down the bore can cause some scratching, a little emory cloth can help clean things up. mjb. From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 15 12:49:40 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Thanks! References: <1741946487.3616845.1581796180351.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1741946487.3616845.1581796180351@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to all of you who replied to my query about getting the needle out of the piston on a Stromberg carb.? We have a lot of smart people in this group, and people who know where to find answers to questions like mine.? Following everybody's help, and reviewing the links that I was passed, I was able to get it apart with no casualties, either to me, or to the carb. Best Regards. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Sat Feb 15 13:28:13 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:28:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> No Kas, I'm well aware of it. Without you, I would have been sort of desperate, thanks to you I know how to proceed out of my bad times, racingwise, of the past 2 years! Marcel Van: "Kas Kastner" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 19:15:43 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? You forgot who talked you into this decision. Never be beaten by equipment. On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:08 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my car in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? This is a wrong idea : it is not about or/or/or... but about and/and/and. Marcel Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > Verzonden: Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! - Tony Drews On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN Hi Chuck, not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. I?m more about effort. Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with a minimum of effort. Saving resources and money. On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: * Good handling * Good braking Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work best between 3-6000 rpm. Both cars are basically the same config. Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You have about 30-40 cars on the track. Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage ] : [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com ] BQ_END -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Feb 15 15:54:44 2020 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? In-Reply-To: <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <004a01d5e2c7$d0811f30$71835d90$@gmail.com> <003301d5e37d$eb93d950$c2bb8bf0$@gmail.com> <04bf0d1b-5da0-3082-ca1e-1ac372b649e2@tonydrews.com> <1799486343.79922804.1581754115307.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1116222410.81847609.1581798493950.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Hi Guys I just read an article in Runners World written by an older woman; probably 60 or so. We used to chase PR's : Personal Records. Now the author says she chases PV's; Personal Victories. I once ran a 5K in 20:03 on my 51st birthday. 20 years ago. I'll never come close to that time again but I still feel that "finishing vertically" is? a PV and accomplishment in a foot or bike race. Even more so in a triathlon. Same with the vintage racing: I'll never win a race but just being out there with the other guys is still fun.? Also skiing: 30 years ago I could ski with about anyone but took 25 years off. Life kind of got in the way. Took up skiing again a couple years ago: can't turn 'em like I used to but having fun. Name of the game. Cheers Bill On 2/15/2020 3:28 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > No Kas, I'm well aware of it. Without you, I would have been sort of > desperate, thanks to you I know how to proceed out of my bad times, > racingwise, of the past 2 years! > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Kas Kastner" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 19:15:43 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > You forgot who talked you into this decision. > > *Never be beaten by equipment.* > > > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:08 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > > wrote: > > Making a car faster and better is also part of the game. I'm > surely not a slow driver but admittedly not the fastest. I was 50 > yrs old when I started doing some car competition and I never took > race driving lessons, because I thought almost nobody did that and > because as amateurs I also thought it was not completely > righteous. I think otherwise now about the driving lessons. But > like everyone who does compete in whatever sport, I want to win > (win races or classes or overtake the car in front..). Winning > feels good. For me,to win, I need a car that is in good shape and > just a little bit faster than the opponent cars. Knowing that my > car is a bit faster makes my driving much better. When my car is > not in good shape, I wait for the finish and I drive slower than I > should. This approach has worked very well for me. I was 2 times > overall championship winner of the german Triumph Competition and > British HTGT with also 8 overall race wins. In the last 2 years > I've been rather slow, and with 68 yrs I wonder if it is the age, > but so far I refuse to believe that, so I'm taking some race > driving lessons with an instructor who is also going to drive my > car? in the next race season. We will share my car : each of us > will do one race in a week-end so we can compare our laptimes. If > I stay a lot slower than my instructor, I'll know it is time for > me to stop road racing. Investing in the car or in the driver? > Investing in more horsepower or in better handling or braking? > This is a wrong idea : it is not about? or/or/or... but about > and/and/and. > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > > *Aan: *"fot" > > *Verzonden: *Zaterdag 15 februari 2020 05:32:11 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Crank Scrapers? > > Wow, that's a GREAT explanation, Chris! > > - Tony Drews > > On 2/14/2020 3:30 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > not sure was a shark has to do with billiard. > > I?m more about effort. > > Minimum effort with maximum result ? the same I do for > business, making the dreams of architects becoming true, with > a minimum of effort. > > Saving resources and money. > > On racing I try to bring in, what makes the car fast: > > * Good handling > * Good braking > > Engine power is not on my focus. The engine needs to last. I > try to keep the revs at low as I can < 6100 rpm on the TR4. > > And I changed the TR8 current engine configuration to work > best between 3-6000 rpm. > > Both cars are basically the same config. > > Many people invest much money in their car. I invest money in > the driver. Taking lessons, buying books about driving. > > In my opinion this is giving better results than trying to > squeeze 10 hp more out of an engine. > > The most joy for me is to treat racing like a chess play. You > have about 30-40 cars on the track. > > Some of them you can use for getting faster others hinder you > and then there is the car in front you want to overtake. > > That is the greatest fun of all. Playing games. Presenting > yourself in mirrors, confuse them with false attacks and stuff. > > I?m not after winning, I?m going for a good fight and don?t > care much about final outcome. The fight is the thing for me. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdment at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 10:58:24 2020 From: jdment at yahoo.com (Jim McAndrew) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 17:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR 250 References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> There is a TR 250 for sale at ClassicCars.com. Car is located in Great Falls, Virginia. For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia | | | | | | | | | | | For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia Find classic cars, collector cars and vintage muscle cars on ClassicCars.com. Search, sell or buy and Drive You... | | | Pretty pricey but seems to have some nice modifications (hopefully to make it more fun and reliable). Before I contact the seller- does anyone have any back story or know any more information on this car? I contacted the Capitol Triumph Register president about the car- they knew about the car but the owner wasn't a member of their club. 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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 11:36:29 2020 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <633120690.2982320.1581964589533@mail.yahoo.com> Hi - That's def. throttle body fuel injection on that car. I think the estimate of remaining TR250's is on the very low side. They are not that rare, IMHO. That's not to say they aren't kool, though. I find it interesting that folks over-restore and then try to sell the car as original/restored. Maybe that's just me. But this car doesn't even have "bumblebee" hoses. Crumudgenly yours,Bob Lang On Monday, February 17, 2020, 1:11:00 PM EST, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: Wow, $55,000 for a 250?? It does seem quite nice.? Wonder if it has Stromberg carbs as mentioned in the description or fuel injection as mentioned in the description? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 11:44:36 2020 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:44:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration Message-ID: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> FOT: Kas says, ?where are all the entries??....especially his West Coast Guys. We know you are coming. Marty is still negotiating Real Estate in the Paddock. Please help him out. Kathy Swinford of SVRA is standing by to help you with your registration. (Neil Revington sent her a message and received a response in 15 minutes. Neil was very impressed). You can call her, too. See the SVRA website: SVRA.COM. Oh yes, don?t forget your FOT Entry Fee of $125.00. Some are sending more $ as a donation. We are accepting donations, too. We have some Sponsors: WPTA. Peggy Kastner Class Win Awards JS Performance Motors. Lanyards Richard Good. Cash ARE/Gasket Innovations SVRA. Free Entry. We are beginning to hear from some Clubs, too. Anyway, we are working on the budget and starting to spend money. Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From rkramer56 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 11:54:15 2020 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:54:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Jim, It's been a long time since we've seen you at a race track. Do you still have that incredible TR3? Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01 PM Jim McAndrew via Fot wrote: > There is a TR 250 for sale at ClassicCars.com. Car is located in Great > Falls, Virginia. > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > Find classic cars, collector cars and vintage muscle cars on > ClassicCars.com. Search, sell or buy and Drive You... > > > > Pretty pricey but seems to have some nice modifications (hopefully to make > it more fun and reliable). > > Before I contact the seller- does anyone have any back story or know any > more information on this car? > > I contacted the Capitol Triumph Register president about the car- they > knew about the car but the owner wasn't a member of their club. > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > Tyler, Texas > 903-780-1319 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Feb 17 13:04:29 2020 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration In-Reply-To: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> References: <58EB0C5C-0ECB-4B59-A314-C5DF8C04ECF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <666748827.3032954.1581969869178@mail.yahoo.com> HEY AMICI! It's understandable that you would be concerned about your car not running due to unforeseen um, issues at earlier events. ?But it's worth not going to other events to make sure you are at this one!!! ?2018 was my first Kastner Cup and I had a blast! ?And last year's Triumph Tribute race put on by SVRA at Watkins Glen was unparalleled. SVRA can really put on a great event. ?Met some really nice folks, too! ?And where else can you get a race weekend for $100 or, even better, for free? Time to sign up so our colleagues who are doing the heavy lifting know what they have to work with! Phil Gott -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot ; Kathy Swinford ; kaskastner Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 1:45 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Registration FOT: Kas says, ?where are all the entries??....especially his West Coast Guys. We know you are coming. Marty is still negotiating Real Estate in the Paddock. Please help him out. Kathy Swinford of SVRA is standing by to help you with your registration. (Neil Revington sent her a message and received a response in 15 minutes. Neil was very impressed). You can call her, too.? See the SVRA website: SVRA.COM. Oh yes, don?t forget your FOT Entry Fee of $125.00.? Some are sending more $ as a donation. We are accepting donations, too. We have some Sponsors: WPTA. Peggy Kastner Class Win Awards JS Performance Motors.? Lanyards Richard Good.? Cash ARE/Gasket Innovations SVRA.? ? Free Entry. We are beginning to hear from some Clubs, too. Anyway, we are working on the budget and starting to spend money. Thank you very much. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Feb 17 17:49:50 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:49:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR 250 In-Reply-To: References: <214637528.2990077.1581962304485.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <214637528.2990077.1581962304485@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, where have you been Jim? Is this an unrequited or lost love? I've restored my 250 since I've seen you. It was about $30,000 even though I (with help) did much of the work. It is completely stock. I never had the money to soup it up, so its always been stock. I did a few minor unseen improvements and installed an OD. I've driven it to several VTR meets and did a 7,000 mile trip with it a few years ago, with no major problems. A stock 250 is reliable if well maintained. I think "back in the day" we drove them hard and didn't maintain them. The paint on that car looks too dark to me. Conifer green is a lighter yellower green (and prettier) than BRG. Here are a couple of photos taken at an outing to the CVAR races at Hallett. ??? - Larry On 2/17/2020 12:54 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > Hey Jim, > > It's been a long time since we've seen you at a race track. Do you > still have that incredible TR3? > > Bob Kramer > > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01 PM Jim McAndrew via Fot > > wrote: > > There is a TR 250 for sale at ClassicCars.com. Car is located in > Great Falls, Virginia. > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > For Sale: 1968 Triumph TR250 in Great Falls, Virginia > > Find classic cars, collector cars and vintage muscle cars on > ClassicCars.com. Search, sell or buy and Drive You... > > > > Pretty pricey but seems to have some nice modifications (hopefully > to make it more fun and reliable). > > Before I contact the seller- does anyone have any back story or > know any more information on this car? > > I contacted the Capitol Triumph Register president about the car- > they knew about the car but the owner wasn't a member of their club. > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > Tyler, Texas > 903-780-1319 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,dare I answer again...You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: Richard,?dare I answer this...Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher.?MarcelVan: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation ?7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance.? I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender.? Mike? On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racingGeoff ByrneTR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpmRacetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift.Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings.? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Feb 18 01:22:25 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:22:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <538606738.3167859.1582002143213@mail.yahoo.com> References: <538606738.3167859.1582002143213.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <538606738.3167859.1582002143213@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <560520991.90987085.1582014145910.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Richard, I agree (after reading it 3 times to understand it). The possibility of speeding up the tappet velocity is limited though : it is this problem that cam grinders encounter when they try to get very fast valve opening. It's common agreed that very fast valve opening (steep flank) with less overlap is an advantage, but there are limits. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 februari 2020 06:02:23 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, If you were to reduce the tappet velocity of the lower lift cam by 13% as well as reducing the cam lift then there would be no point. But if you grind the lower lift cam with the same lifter velocity as the high lift cam then the high ratio rockers will give you 13% higher valve speed than the high lift cam with stock rockers. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" Aan: "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < mzbarsky at yahoo.com > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au BQ_END BQ_BEGIN BQ_END BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net ] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank youMichael Leccese -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2020 2:08 pm Subject: [Fot] Unknown Entries I need email addresses for the following SVRA entrants. Can anyone help? Thank you. Ken Gorney.? GT6 Michael Leccese. TR4 Philip Hyer.? TR4 Ferenc Tirkala.? Spitfire Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mleccese1 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 08:42:47 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance Message-ID: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks, Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Wed Feb 19 09:56:58 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jason, They have this listed on their website: PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. ?I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. ? ?Here?s a link: http://www.venolia.com/technical.html? Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons.? No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business.? Does anyone else running?Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks,Jason Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 10:04:35 2020 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:04:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1567214094.3773673.1582131418019@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave, I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. Jason On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: > Hi Jason, > > They have this listed on their website: > > PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of > skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. > > Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. > I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance > cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: > > http://www.venolia.com/technical.html > > Hope that helps! > > Dave Gott > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia > pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have > gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have > the recommended spec? > > Thanks, > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 10:21:58 2020 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:21:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason, Venolia is out of business. Unfortunate as they were nearby. Clearances tend to vary with some of the magic coatings. Someone should have an answer to your question... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2020, at 7:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? > > Thanks, > Jason Sukey > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Feb 19 14:14:38 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 15:14:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html. Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. Cheers, Larry Young On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Richard, > dare I answer again... > You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine > , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker > arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher > lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same > and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam > followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the > camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the > maximum valve lift you want? > Marcel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Richard Good" > *Aan: *"van mulders marcel" > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Marcel, > > Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the > maximum lift will also increase by 13%. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel > wrote: > Richard, > dare I answer this... > Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving > faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower > nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is > such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio > and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go > from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is > opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, > the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say > 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from > 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that > and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end > at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. > Marcel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"Richard Good" ) > *Aan: *"Michael Zbarsky" , > gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" > > > *Cc: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 > *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > ?7.887 > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of > increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity.? > The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you > grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move > out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So > tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times > rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will > increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then > divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve > that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe > to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how > fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift > then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will > be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open > further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a > big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers > with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock > rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was > already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration > was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift > during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may > reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam > profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not > achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot > wrote: > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just > over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a > 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite > contender. > > Mike > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne > wrote: > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > Geoff Byrne > TR6 racer down under > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot > wrote: > > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for > a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker > assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is > difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low > enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve > springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 > camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind > (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , > installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 > grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve > lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , > valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs > for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no > 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They > recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full > open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but > there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed > height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed > position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full > lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably > that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 > rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam > or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Van: *"fot" > *Aan: *"fot" > *Verzonden: *Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > *Onderwerp: *[Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 > ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a > suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. > > Thanks, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 16:43:44 2020 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <8e875195-e6d0-4a08-9ce2-936c2c5c8dc1@Spark> I set my rocker pedestals a bit higher and used longer pushrods on my BMC A-series engine. ?I was willing to give up some maximum lift in order to get quicker valve acceleration at low lift. ?By raising the pedestals, the (roller-tip) rocker arms achieve a 90? angle to the valve stem before half-lift is reached. ?I reason that this should give me more area under the curve and greater torque. Duncan On Feb 19, 2020, 3:15 PM -0600, Larry Young via Fot , wrote: > I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html. > > Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. > Cheers, > Larry Young > > On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > Richard, > > dare I answer again... > > You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? > > Marcel > > Van: "Richard Good" > > Aan: "van mulders marcel" > > Cc: "fot" > > Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > > > Marcel, > > Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. > > Richard > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel wrote: > > Richard, > > dare I answer this... > > Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. > > Marcel > > Van: "Richard Good" ) > > Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" , gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au, "van mulders marcel" > > > > Cc: "fot" > > Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 > > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > ?7.887 > > Michael, > > People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio.? That is the increase in valve velocity.? The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct.? So tappet velocity is limited.? However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. > > First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift.? Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve.? Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time.? Graph it out and you will see a big difference.? Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. > > I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work.? Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment.? If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque.? Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. > > Richard Good > > Good Parts Inc > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot wrote: > > Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over?6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and?suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne wrote: > > > Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing > > > Geoff Byrne > > > TR6 racer down under > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > > > > > > > I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a? lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it? the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83? ? 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a? valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm? (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning? coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower? of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm > > > > Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. > > > > Marcel > > > > > > > > Van: "fot" > > > > Aan: "fot" > > > > Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 > > > > Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation > > > > > > > > Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gkbyrne at optushome.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goodparts at verizon.net Thu Feb 20 10:32:21 2020 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance References: <1649278284.4231382.1582219941472.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1649278284.4231382.1582219941472@mail.yahoo.com> Jason, I would not go more than .005" clearance at the very bottom of the skirt.? Even at that they will be noisy.? Not a big deal if it is a race car.? I went with .0035" - .004" with Venolia's in the engine I built for the hill climb car last year.? Working fine so far. Richard Good Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons.? No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business.? Does anyone else running?Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? Thanks,Jason Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/goodparts at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 11:43:41 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:43:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave Most of the ?good? forged pistons are 2168 (venolia etc). The cheaper forged slugs are 4303 alum and don?t need quite as much clearance. I would go with the specs you listed for your venolias. Slapping myself Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Feb 19, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Dave, > I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. > > Jason > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: >> Hi Jason, >> >> They have this listed on their website: >> >> PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. >> >> Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: >> >> http://www.venolia.com/technical.html >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? >> >> Thanks, >> Jason Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 11:43:41 2020 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:43:41 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Venolia Piston bore clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave Most of the ?good? forged pistons are 2168 (venolia etc). The cheaper forged slugs are 4303 alum and don?t need quite as much clearance. I would go with the specs you listed for your venolias. Slapping myself Nick in NorCal Sent from the wilds of NorCal > On Feb 19, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > ? > Thanks Dave, > I saw that also, but have no idea what alloy my pistons are made from. > > Jason > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:57 AM David Gott wrote: >> Hi Jason, >> >> They have this listed on their website: >> >> PISTON CLEARANCE: With 2618 alloy, top of skirt .008 to .010. Bottom of skirt: .005 to .007". Air cooled engines usually require more clearance. >> >> Now I?m not sure if they are talking about forged pistons, or otherwise. I have forged Venolias in my TR4, and they certainly have more clearance cold than non forged pistons, if that helps. Here?s a link: >> >> http://www.venolia.com/technical.html >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> Dave Gott >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 10:43 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: >> >> I'm looking for the recommended bore clearance for my GT6 Venolia pistons. No answer from their phone number, and I'm seeing that they have gone out of business. Does anyone else running Venolia's happen to have the recommended spec? >> >> Thanks, >> Jason Sukey >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintagenick42 at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Thu Feb 20 17:51:21 2020 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:51:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run hotter) Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Woensdag 19 februari 2020 22:14:38 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation I agree with much of what Richard says. The problem with the TR6 engine is it has a tiny 0.8" diameter lifter, so as Richard says the higher ratio rocker can help to overcome this limitation. As you mention, one wants a quick opening (and closing). That means high acceleration. Remember Newton's law F = ma? What most people don't realize is that the rocker ratio's effect on the forces is squared: (1.65/1.5)^2 = 1.21. So the valves and valve springs are effectively 20% heavier. Ideally, to do it properly you would develop a grind for the specific rocker ratio. That being said, from measuring a number of after market cams, I've found most are not particularly aggressive in terms of the acceleration, but many smack the lifter hard initially and slam the valve back down on the seat (high ramp velocity), which can cause valve bounce and other problems. You can find a bit more discussion at my website - [ http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html | http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/CamSprings.html ] . Another point. I think people get hung up on valve lift. After all, the valve is at maximum lift for an infinitesimal time. I suggest you look at the duration the valve is open at intermediate lifts of say 0.20. To avoid losing the low end, you want to do this without excessively large seat-to-seat duration. For a given seat-to-seat (or 0.050) duration, there is no downside to more lift, since it usually produces more duration at intermediate lifts. Cheers, Larry Young On 2/12/2020 12:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: Richard, dare I answer again... You say :" first decide what will be the optimum lift for your engine , then... ": in that case : what is the point of high ratio rocker arms, if you want to end at the same maximum valve lift? With a higher lobe x lower rocker ratio, the valve opening speed will be the same and you have a lower force (load) at the pushrods and lobe/cam followers. I think the only reason for a higher rocker ratio is the camfollowers having a too small a diameter to be able to get at the maximum valve lift you want? Marcel Van: "Richard Good" [ mailto:goodparts at verizon.net | ] Aan: "van mulders marcel" [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 17:25:10 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Marcel, Yes, if you increase rocker ratio and do not change the cam lift, the maximum lift will also increase by 13%. Richard Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, February 12, 2020 van.mulders.marcel < [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be ] > wrote: Richard, dare I answer this... Do you mean that, with the higher rocker ratio, the valve is moving faster in the first part of the opening phase and hence moving slower nearing the maximum lift? Suppose the cam lift of both camshafts is such that the maximum lift is 13mm for both the 1.65 and 1.50 ratio and duration at 0.050" is 240?, thus the crank has to move 120? to go from 0.050" lift to maximum lift in both cases. If the valve is opening 13% faster all the way from 0.050" lift untill maximum lift, the maximum lift will also be 13% higher! When an engine is at, say 5000rpm or any other speed, it takes the same time to move 120? (from 0.050" to maximum lift) : the rocker arm ratio does not change that and the valve that is opening 13% faster with the 1.65 ratio will end at a maximum lift that is also 13% higher. Marcel Van: "Richard Good" [ mailto:goodparts at verizon.net | ] ) Aan: "Michael Zbarsky" [ mailto:mzbarsky at yahoo.com | ] , [ mailto:gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au | gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au ] , "van mulders marcel" [ mailto:van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be | ] Cc: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Woensdag 12 februari 2020 02:23:07 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation 7.887 Michael, People often seem to overlook the main performance benefit of increasing the rocker ratio. That is the increase in valve velocity. The velocity of a flat tappet is limited by it's diameter. If you grind the cam lobe for too much velocity the contact patch will move out past the edge of the lifter and things will self destruct. So tappet velocity is limited. However, since tappet velocity times rocker ratio equals valve velocity, increasing the rocker ratio will increase valve velocity. First decide what will be the optimum valve lift for your engine then divide by rocker ratio to determine the net cam lift needed to achieve that valve lift. Yes, you can grind the cam with a large enough lobe to reach desired lift using stock rockers but you are limited in how fast you can open the valve. Now if you grind the cam with less lift then use 1.65:1 rockers to reach that same desired valve lift you will be moving the valve about 13% faster. That means it will be open further in a given period of time. Graph it out and you will see a big difference. Valve velocity is a huge factor in performance. I can understand why someone who has tried to use high ratio rockers with a cam that was already maxing out the valve lift with stock rockers would decide that high ratio does not work. Valve lift was already at max. Increasing it further may be a detriment. If duration was also maxed out for reasonable torque then the increase in lift during the overlap period caused by the increase in rocker ratio may reduce the low end torque. Properly applied with the right cam profile, high ratio rockers enable performance that is just not achievable with stock rockers. Richard Good Good Parts Inc Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 Michael Zbarsky via Fot < [ mailto:mzbarsky at yahoo.com | mzbarsky at yahoo.com ] > wrote: Thanks everyone! Good stuff. I?m sticking to a redline of just over 6K. I?d also like to keep the 1.65 setup rather than invest in a 1.55 so keep the intel and suggestions coming. The GP3 is a definite contender. Mike On Monday, February 10, 2020, 4:07 PM, Geoff Byrne [ mailto:gkbyrne at optusnet.com.au | ] wrote: BQ_BEGIN Ditch the 1.65 rockers no good for racing Geoff Byrne TR6 racer down under Sent from my iPhone BQ_BEGIN On 11 Feb 2020, at 12:52 am, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] wrote: BQ_BEGIN I also once bought a Goodparts 1.65 rocker roller assembly for a TR6 engine, but in the end I had to use a 1.55 roller rocker assembly, also from Goodparts, because, with the 1.65, it is difficult to find a race camshaft with a lobe lift that is low enough. With lobes of 8mm or higher, I could not find valve springs to cope with the high valve lift. I bought a G5 camshaft from Schneider, they call it the 320-F grind (duration is 268? at 0.050", timing is 57-83 87-53 , installation figure is then 103? :is that the same as the G5 grind?) with 0.340"/8.6mm cam lift and that makes for a valve lift of 12.9mm with the 1.55 rocker arms. With 1.65 rockers , valve lift would be 14.2mm and I could not find valve springs for that lift. The valve springs I used are part no 281003-063.20 from Summit (Isky), 320lb/inch spring rate. They recommend 0.45"/11.43mm (1.250" - 0.800"from closed to full open position, so it is about 1.4mm more in my engine, but there is no problem concerning coil binding : the installed height is a 1mm more than 1.250 , the pressure in closed position is lower of course, but still 34kgs (105kgs at full lift) an that seems to be enough till 7500 rpm Racetorations have a race cam with 7.6mm cam lift, probably that would work with 1.65 rocker arms. I still have the 1.65 rocker assembly, it is new and it could work with a road cam or any camshaft with a maximum of 8mm cam lift. Marcel Van: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Aan: "fot" [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | ] Verzonden: Maandag 10 februari 2020 02:34:27 Onderwerp: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation Hi all, I?m building a TR6 race engine and have a set of 1.65 ratio roller rockers from Goodparts. Any recommendations for a suitable camshaft? I will be putting in cam bearings. 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URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Feb 21 09:13:55 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:13:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low end. This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html shows a case where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to about 4x86 = 344 degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork effect" it sets of all kinds of vibrations which can cause the valve to jump off the lifter and bounce off the seat at closing. I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many do. This is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. Most stuff on the web talks about valve springs as the only cure for valve float issues. ?- Larry On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote: > > Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller > valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the > clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run > hotter) > Marcel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com Fri Feb 21 15:11:35 2020 From: tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com (tamaracktomtr3 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Press release for the Kas Cup race? References: <563497639.6463733.1582323095114.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <563497639.6463733.1582323095114@mail.yahoo.com> Is there any type of press release available? 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All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, right?? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it out of the tank. Thanks. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chip at theukmotorsports.com Fri Feb 21 16:19:23 2020 From: chip at theukmotorsports.com (Chip Collingwood) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 18:19:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ground the sender wire. turn ign on. the gauge should go to full. if it does sender is bad and gauge is most likely ok, but if it's old may still need recalibrating. On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 5:29 PM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a > fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank? I'm working on a > Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all. > All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire > someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, > right? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it > out of the tank. > > Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chip at theukmotorsports.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Feb 22 02:28:49 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:28:49 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very fancy software for examining the motion of the valve for any cam/valve train being proposed. They can easily calculate the critical acceleration and deceleration limits for any valve train mass and its not hard to 'plot" the motion of the cam/valve lifter, even if they did not create the actual cam being studied. Ive done this on my lathe with a data capture system,. Ive just finished a major exercise with one cam maker on my Toyota 4AG race engine where I suspected valve train harmonics were responsible for a broken cam (actually snapped in 2 at peak rpm) . valve spring makers like PAC in the USA are known to have such software. it seems like many TR cam profiles were created in the ancient past, possibly more by trial an error than serious maths. Thats not to say they are wrong/bad, but rather there is a more modern alternative that might have a place. Some cam makers may be using such approaches with TR cams, but I suspect many are just churning out what they did 30 years ago. . Terry O'Beirne On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 AM Larry Young via Fot wrote: > Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat > duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low end. > This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html shows a case > where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to about 4x86 = 344 > degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork effect" it sets of all kinds > of vibrations which can cause the valve to jump off the lifter and bounce > off the seat at closing. > > I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many do. This > is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. Most stuff on the > web talks about valve springs as the only cure for valve float issues. > - Larry > > On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be wrote: > > > Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a smaller valve > clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages to set the clearance > smaller than recommended?(except that the valves will run hotter) > Marcel > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat Feb 22 02:31:55 2020 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:31:55 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: its just a variable resistor. The electrical part of smiths sender units are common across zillions of Pommy cars, typically 400 ohm empty here is a "how to test it" guide http://www.erareplicas.com/427man/wiring/fuelsmit.htm Terry On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:29 AM Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a > fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank? I'm working on a > Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all. > All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire > someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, > right? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it > out of the tank. > > Thanks. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 22 08:48:53 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 15:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Thanks References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan.? I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+).? Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full.? So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad.? I already have a new one on the way.? Thanks to all who responded to my query. Jack -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Feb 22 09:17:18 2020 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 10:17:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Camshaft recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1417642395.1418618.1581524710564@mail.yahoo.com> <1392309332.69004004.1581531598578.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> <1443903099.102861658.1582246281397.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <2b976410-47d4-478c-9381-0c650ea8e045@pobox.com> "it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very fancy software".? -? That has not been my experience for TR cams, maybe for SBC cams. - Larry On 2/22/2020 3:28 AM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > it seems most of the better cam grinders these days have some very > fancy software for examining the motion of the valve for any cam/valve > train being proposed. They can easily calculate?the critical > acceleration and deceleration limits for any valve train mass and its > not hard to 'plot" the motion of the cam/valve lifter, even if they > did not create the actual cam being studied.? ?Ive done this on my > lathe with a data capture system,. Ive just?finished a major exercise > with one cam maker on my Toyota 4AG race engine where I suspected > valve train harmonics?were responsible for a broken cam (actually > snapped in 2 at peak rpm) . valve spring makers? like PAC in the USA > are known to have such software. > > it seems?like many TR cam?profiles were created in the ancient?past, > possibly more by trial an error?than serious maths. Thats not to say > they are wrong/bad, but rather there is a more modern alternative that > might have a place. Some cam makers may be using such approaches with > TR cams, but I suspect many are just churning out what they did 30 > years ago. . > > Terry O'Beirne > > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 AM Larry Young via Fot > > wrote: > > Yes, the down side to a smaller clearance is that the seat-to-seat > duration and valve overlap will increase causing a loss of the low > end. This page > http://tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html > shows a case where the duration would increase about 32 degrees to > about 4x86 = 344 degrees. I like to call this the "tuning fork > effect" it sets of all kinds of vibrations which can cause the > valve to jump off the lifter and bounce off the seat at closing. > > I did not intend to imply most smack the lifter, just that many > do. This is a good reason to thoroughly measure your cam profile. > Most stuff on the web talks about valve springs as the only cure > for valve float issues. > ?- Larry > > On 2/20/2020 6:51 PM, van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > wrote: >> >> Larry, you say most camshafts smack the lifters hard. Will a >> smaller valve clearance relieve this a bit? Has it disadvantages >> to set the clearance smaller than recommended?(except that the >> valves will run hotter) >> Marcel > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage > : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Sat Feb 22 09:26:16 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:26:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints Message-ID: The GT6 has spicer u joints on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? I?m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. Thoughts? Sent from my iPhone From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Feb 22 09:58:21 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks In-Reply-To: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> Also make sure the sending unit has a good ground Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan. I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+). Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full. So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad. I already have a new one on the way. Thanks to all who responded to my query. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Feb 22 09:58:21 2020 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks In-Reply-To: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> Also make sure the sending unit has a good ground Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: > > ? > I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan. I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+). Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full. So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad. I already have a new one on the way. Thanks to all who responded to my query. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Feb 22 11:41:37 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 18:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related In-Reply-To: <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65643790.523567.1582323977504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65643790.523567.1582323977504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1607350593.4887220.1582396897386@mail.yahoo.com> It could also be a "sunken" (full of fuel) float...Either way the sender has to come out.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Jack Wheeler via Fot To: FOT List Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2020 5:29 pm Subject: [Fot] Tech Question - Not Triumph Related Sorry to bother you, but can anyone tell me if there is a way to check a fuel sending unit, without taking it out of the tank?? I'm working on a Morgan and the fuel gauge is not working - needle does not move at all.? All the wires are attached at both ends, so unless there is a broken wire someplace in between, it has to be either the sending unit, or the gauge, right?? The sending unit is easy to access, but not if you have to take it out of the tank. Thanks. Jack _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Feb 22 17:46:46 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Thanks In-Reply-To: <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> References: <719934138.126694.1582386533505@mail.yahoo.com> <507118BA-949E-49AC-9B25-678104B3835E@rogers.com> Message-ID: <60B2C3EA-A0D0-4316-85E0-BE2F2D8E4B28@columbus.rr.com> Use a light wire with a hook to go down into the tank and catch the float arm. With some imagination and a light touch you should be able to tell if the float is flooded. Also then you can check the resistance of the sender. My two cents tom > On Feb 22, 2020, at 11:58 AM, MACDONALD via Fot wrote: > > Also make sure the sending unit has a good ground > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 22, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot wrote: >> >> ? >> I posted a technical question last night about the fuel gauge sending unit on my Morgan. I was amazed by the swift responses I got from many of you (25+). Based on your suggestions, I grounded out the wire going to the sending unit and sure enough, the gauge went to full. So, based on the responses I received, this means my sending unit is bad. I already have a new one on the way. Thanks to all who responded to my query. >> >> Jack >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trhouse at columbus.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 23 06:20:55 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 08:20:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio In-Reply-To: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> References: <288ACC5876BC4DA7952B10C70AF29787@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <255FE8DCE0004F17A4BCD221C08BB06A@VlackTK121647> Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. See you there. Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. JVV From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio FOT The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. Reservations can be made on line or via phone: If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. JVV Host Hotel Announcement We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds ? Free wireless high-speed internet service ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Feb 23, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > ? > > > Subject: [Fot] Fw: HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio > > FOT, I am sending this out again as a reminder that a Host Hotel has been secured for the 2020 Kastner Cup. Details are below in the original email. > > To get the best deal you must reserve by Feb 29th. Past that it?s still a good deal at 15% off the normal rate. > > See you there. > > Stay tuned for an announcement regarding Tee Shirts. > > JVV > > From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:36 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] HOST HOTEL 2020 Kastner Cup Mid-Ohio > > FOT > > The Announcement below details the Host Hotel information for this years Kastner Cup. Discounts are 2 stage. > The best rates are if you register before 3-1-2020 as a defined discount. > After 3-1-2020 the 15% off applies to their normal rates for race weekend. Either way these are good rates for the area. > > There is not a block but rather a choice between 2 Hotels. The Comfort Inn has a water park associated with it if your family and kids are coming. > > Reservations can be made on line or via phone: > If reserving on line copy and paste the links shown below.and follow the site instructions filling in the dates you are staying and the type of room you are requesting. > If calling be certain to ask for the CAR CLUB RATE LCAR C and identify you are with Friends of Triumph. > > If you need to contact me I can be reached at jerryvv at roadrunner.com or 330-620-4549 cell after 5:00 PM Eastern time. > > JVV > > Host Hotel Announcement > > We welcome Friends of Triumph and would be pleased to host your group members at both the Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor and Quality Inn and Suites. We have 66 rooms at our Quality Inn and 99 rooms at our Comfort Inn. Within 4 miles are 30 eateries, pubs and a Wal-Mart. > > We are the Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio, a designation that the track has given us and we have had for 20 years. We are the closest hotels to the track, just 10 minutes. > > Our Gold & Platinum Award services include: > ? Triple diamond rating by AAA and Gold & Platinum Awards from Franchise Services > ? Deluxe Guest Rooms with King and Queen beds > ? Free wireless high-speed internet service > ? 32" color TV with Free HBO and full cable > ? Fitness Center with state-of-the-art exercise equipment > ? Indoor Pool at Quality Inn and 6000 sq. ft. Indoor Water Park named Splash Harbor at Comfort Inn > ? Complimentary breakfast buffet including make-your-own Belgium waffles, hot biscuits and gravy, eggs and sausage, fresh fruit, pastries, and many other selections. > ? Deer Ridge Golf Course adjacent to the hotels > ? Easy access to the 20-mile paved Rails to Trails bike path > ? 30 restaurants within 4 miles and the Renowned Amish-style restaurant (Der Dutchman) within walking distance > > > Friends of Triumph Special Group Pricing > > Rates & Reservations - BEFORE 3/1/20 Double Queens @ $119, Kings @ $129 > CALL the Hotel -- Comfort Inn 419-886-4000 Quality Inn 419-886-7000 > When making reservations please inform the hotel that you are with Friends of Triumph > > Rates & Reservations - AFTER 3/1/20 All Rooms 15% Off the Hotel?s Retail Rate > ONLINE Reservations for QUALITY INN ? Use the following link > http://www.qualityinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH302&srp=LCARC&pu=no > > ONLINE Reservations for COMFORT INN ? Use the following link > http://www.comfortinn.com/ires/en-US/html/ArrivalInfo?hotel=OH083&srp=LCARC&pu=no > > CALL the Hotel ? For your 15% discount - ask for the Car Club Rate ?LCAR C? > > > Valley View Management Co, Inc. dba > Comfort Inn/Splash Harbor > 855 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 > Phone: 419-886-4000 www.SplashHarbor.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Bellville Hotel Co., Ltd dba > Quality Inn and Suites Conference Center > 1000 Comfort Plaza Drive, Bellville, OH 44813 > Phone: 419.886.7000 www.QualityInnBellville.com > > > > Comfort Inn and Quality Inn & Suites, Bellville > Official Hotels of Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Cardinal Shooting Center, Ohio Dreams, > NASA Great Lakes & Smoky Run Music Festival > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Feb 23 06:40:34 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 13:40:34 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Paging MJB Message-ID: Mark, I sent a post with a picture (jpg) attached. Did the picture prevent it from going through? I resent it this morning and didn't see it either. I'm going to have another one to send also. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Feb 23 07:08:59 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 07:08:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] testing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/23/20 6:28 AM, marty via Fot wrote: > Just checking to see if my post are going through. I sent a Kastner > Cup post out yesterday and didnt see it. > Some general observations and guidelines here.? First off, make sure the mail you are sending to the FOT list is going to fot at autox.team.net and NOT fot-bounces or fot-owner or some other admin only type of address.? Some email programs don't do a good job of sorting this out, especially on list replies. And speaking of replies, say Person A posts to the list, you hit the 'reply' button that your mail program provides.? Check and see what addresses are actually listed as recipients.? Person A is n the FOT list, they will see your reply in list email, they don't need to get a second copy sent to their personal address.? Some mailers are able to discern it is a mailing list message from the headers, which are usually not displayed to the user.? For example, the FOT list, as well as all the other Team Net lists, puts lines like these in the message headers: Precedence: list List-Id: Private List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , So if you are using a mailer that can figure these out, using 'reply list' or whatever will trim out all the other cc: addresses and send it to just the list address. Messages from addresses not in the list, or that have too many recipient addresses listed and those that match other certain tests are held for administrator approval.? That means I have to look at them and decide what to do with the messages, whether to throw them away or send them on to the list.? I get about 2 - 300 hundred such messages every day from all the lists hosted here, it can take me a while to get through them all.? I just checked, currently have 348 such messages, and at 8 am every day emails are sent to the list owners ( that would be me ) with details on why they are held. That being said, Marty, I didn't see anything from you in the held message queue for FOT, so I'm not certain what happened to the missing Kastner Cup post.? I can't even determine if it made it to Team Net or not, sorry.? All I can say is try it again, and explicitly add mark at bradakis.com as a cc: address, so I can take a look at the actual email headers to see what the problem might be. mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Sun Feb 23 15:17:26 2020 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 17:17:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints References: <86CE0E05-00CC-4D78-87E6-17ACC980F7BF@me.com> Message-ID: Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. > ?The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? > I?m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. > No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. > Thoughts? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 15:51:17 2020 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:51:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints In-Reply-To: References: <86CE0E05-00CC-4D78-87E6-17ACC980F7BF@me.com> Message-ID: <7273dba5-2e06-a9ae-83c0-007bd47524fc@gmail.com> Some U-joints have grease fittings and seals that allow grease to flow though so you can replace old grease with new. Others have seals that seal in the grease and the water & dirt out. You cannot and should not grease sealed bearing U-joints. They are good for the life of the U-joint, meaning when the grease dies so does the U-joint. You can clean the outside of the U-joints and test them for looseness but that is about it. TeriAnn On 2/23/20 3:17 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. > >> ???The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the >> halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end >> disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no >> visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just >> pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little >> buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? >> I???m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing >> up the needles. >> No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a >> grease fitting. > >> Thoughts? > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com > > -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Feb 24 05:31:24 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:31:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: 2020 KASTNER CUP PRESS RELEASE In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Good morning FOT. I wanted to share with you guys first the press release that is going out to the world thanks to our resident word guru Shawn Frank. It gives a great description to the public about what all is about to take place at Mid-Ohio in June. You can view the artwork created specifically for this years event by going to this link https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXbYOeJOzt_OUCOE. Clark Lincoln has raised the bar once again with the 2020 design! This design will be on the official Kastner Cup poster as well as email list, publications and I'm sure much more. There is a BUNCH of stuff going on behind the scenes pertaining to the racers and I will share those soon. You will be kicking yourselves afterwards if you don't make this event. Thanks, Marty Sukey The Kastner Cup 2020 at Mid-Ohio Vintage Grand Prix June 25th - 28th, 2020 Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course (midohio.com) 7721 Steam Corners Rd Lexington, Ohio 44904 SVRA (Sportscar Vintage Racing Association) sanctioned event (svra.com) The 18th Annual Kastner Cup 2020 All-Triumph Race: The Kastner Cup is an all-Triumph race set at a different North American race facility annually under local racing faction tech rules and regulations. All Triumph or Triumph-powered fully prepared race cars are welcome to attend. SVRA has waived their fee for any Triumph race car taking the green flag for the Kastner Cup 2020. Expectations of over 50 attendees, including historic international race cars, title winning national vintage race cars, famous drivers, and iconic characters in the racing world. The Friends of Triumph will be paddocked in an appropriated area at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, including a welcome tent and award facilities. The Kastner Cup Champion will be appointed by Mr R.W. ?Kas? Kastner himself. His decision based on three factors: 25% presentation of the car, 25% enthusiasm in vintage racing, and 50% performance and race results, not necessarily first position. He will be watching closely and will appoint Performance Awards to the top time based on model of Triumph. Local car clubs are urged to attend as there will be special parking for Triumph club members and their classic cars. A welcome area will be furnished and used for appointing Peggy Kastner Performance Awards and the Kastner Cup recipient at event end. Events and details to be released before the event and posted on kaskastner.com Camping is available at the track. Please visit the racetrack website for details. There are many hotels within 10 miles of the racetrack. Lexington has many options for food and entertainment. Trailer parking is available through the racetrack. Hospitality services provided by the racetrack. All inquiries are urged to email hospitality at midohio.com Kastner Cup info: www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Track info: www.midohio.com Racing, Rules, Regulations: www.svra.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Mon Feb 24 06:09:26 2020 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints References: <1620173519.5291254.1582549766816.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1620173519.5291254.1582549766816@mail.yahoo.com> Agree with TeriAnn, you don't want to be taking them apart just to lube.Short of obvious play or cups turning, there isn't any way to evaluate them.They're a routine replacement item anyhow so if there's any doubt I would just change them. You can put a little reference mark on each cup and the yoke adjacent, that way a visual check will tell you if a cup starts turning; that usually happens when the bearings start to go south. Glen -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot To: fot Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2020 5:51 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Greasing spicer u joints Some U-joints have grease fittings and seals that allow grease to flow though so you can replace old grease with new. Others have seals that seal in the grease and the water & dirt out. You cannot and should not grease sealed bearing U-joints. They are good for the life of the U-joint, meaning when the grease dies so does the U-joint. You can clean the outside of the U-joints and test them for looseness but that is about it. TeriAnn On 2/23/20 3:17 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: Hi, tried to send this yesterday, but it did not go through. ???The GT6 has Spicer u joints without zerk fittings on the halfshafts and on the driveshaft. I have the entire rear end disassembled and am now inspecting the ujoints. They look good, no visible wear and there was no play in them when on the car. Do i just pull the cups and put some more grease in, or should the little buggers be totally cleaned, needle by needle and re-lubed? I???m always reluctant to change the order of anything, i.e. mixing up the needles. No way to flush them out with grease as one does with the ones with a grease fitting. Thoughts? _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.nethttp://www.fot-racing.comDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fotUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tjwakeman at gmail.com -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write Because the world beckons and life waits for no one _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 25 13:34:16 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:34:16 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Tue Feb 25 13:41:12 2020 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:41:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: Who do you pay the $16.50 to prior to the May deadline? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:34 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Feb 25 13:53:09 2020 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:53:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: All $$ goes straight to Ted, after you order through Jim.. Marty Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "John H. Hasty" Date: 2/25/20 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: marty Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Its shirt time! Who do you pay the $16.50 to prior to the May deadline? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:34 PM, marty via Fot wrote: ? Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture. Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line. The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see here https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame. The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. * NAME * SHIRT SIZES * LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT * WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE * IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. * SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED * CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS * CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhasty at mhc-law.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Tue Feb 25 14:04:21 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! References: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv7512227203 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Feb 25 14:12:52 2020 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1343964452.307305.1582665172402@mail.yahoo.com> Jay, That?s handled with SVRA, and with the folks handling the registration. ? Create?and log into a drivers account on the SVRA site, and you can upload your driver pic for the back, and the car pic for the front. ? If they can?t use what you upload, such as a low res picture, they will reach out directly. ? ?(I had to do that for the USVGP last year.) Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 25, 2020, 4:04 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv2556736795 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkjjk at aol.com Tue Feb 25 14:20:09 2020 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! In-Reply-To: <1343964452.307305.1582665172402@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1091715601.1631728.1582664661279@mail.yahoo.com> <1343964452.307305.1582665172402@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <243536731.1644128.1582665609079@mail.yahoo.com> Great, that helps, Dave.? Thanks!-- Jay -----Original Message----- From: David Gott To: kkjjk ; trmarty ; fot Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Its shirt time! Jay, That?s handled with SVRA, and with the folks handling the registration. ? Create?and log into a drivers account on the SVRA site, and you can upload your driver pic for the back, and the car pic for the front. ? If they can?t use what you upload, such as a low res picture, they will reach out directly. ? ?(I had to do that for the USVGP last year.) Hope that helps! Dave Gott Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 25, 2020, 4:04 PM, kkjjk--- via Fot wrote: Thanks for the information, Marty.? Do you or anyone else know what the process is of getting a picture and info (and to whom) for the "trading cards" with SVRA???? Thanks!- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot To: FOT Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 3:34 pm Subject: [Fot] Its shirt time! #yiv2338435110 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;} Ok folks, the 2020 Kastner Cup shirt sales project is now live. There is a lot to say here so please read carefully, and then read again so we can make this major project go as smooth as possible. First the big picture.? Clark Lincoln is the magician behind the pen on this project. How he does this stuff so awesomely is beyond me as I cannot even draw a line.? The artwork for the front of the shirt can be see herehttps://1drv.ms/u/s!Ame-BWnOwrm3vXU7MenvrUpZHvwK? THANKS CLARK! Jim Hassall has volunteered to do the time consuming task of collecting all the order info and passing it on to the printer. The guy running the printing and distribution of the shirts is the one and only Ted Schumacher of TS Imported Automotive fame.? The shirts them selves will be 6.0 oz. 100% cotton, tan in color. They will have the attached artwork on the front. If you are a competitor at the 2020 Kastner Cup your shirt will have "DRIVER" on the sleeve. On the back of the shirt will be a list of all the competitors names, the car model and car number. The names going on the back of the shirt will come from the actual SVRA paid entry list as of May 1st. May 1st will be the cutoff date for getting your orders in. This is a one time order and printing, so if you want a shirt you MUST order it by May1st, all shirts are by pre-order. There is a option this year of ordering shirts in a ladies cut also, this is a nice option for the ladies that has not been offered before. Payments for the shirts will be made by credit card directly to Ted. The cost for the shirts will be $16.50 for shirts up to XL. 2XL will be $2 more, 3XL will be $4 more, 4XL will be $6 more. Ted will be distributing the shirts from his trailer at the track on race weekend. If you would want your shirts mailed to you, shipping will be additional. Here is how it will work. You will email Jim directly with your order at jhassall at gmail.com . Jim will forward the order to Ted on May 2nd. Starting on May 2nd you will need to contact Ted directly at TS Imported Automotive? @ 419-384-3022 and make arrangements to pay the man!. You will get an email reminder telling you its time to pay up. Now for the details. Jim will HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER! Again orders will go to Jim at jhassall at gmail.com. Do NOT send them to me. - NAME - SHIRT SIZES - LADIES SHIRT OR MENS SHIRT - WHAT SHIRTS GET THE "DRIVERS" NOTATION ON THE SLEEVE - IF YOU ARE PICKING UP AT THE TRACK OR WANT THEM MAILED. - SHIP TO ADDRESS IF BEING SHIPPED - CONTACT EMAIL ADDRESS - CONTACT PHONE NUMBER Thanks,Marty Sukey_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 17:56:57 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 19:56:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tee shirt orders Message-ID: Folks, as Marty said, now is the time to think about ordering shirts. The deadline to order will be 30 APR. This is a one-time order opportunity; there will not be an additional run for extras. This year I'm trying a new procedure to make it more straightforward for everyone. Here is a link to a Google Sheet, accessible by everyone to whom this email is addressed. Click the link and enter your data there. If you make a mistake, please call me (540.357.1444) and we'll fix it together. Kastner Cup Tee shirt order link The shirt front can be seen here: Shirt Front These are a good quality shirt so sizes are realistic - i.e an XL size in a low end shirt is a Large in this case. The Ladies shirts are Lady cut, not unisex nor Mens. Ted Schumacher will handle printing and delivery to the track. If you want shirts shipped, please include your shipping address in the spreadsheet (more on that below). This info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc." Orders which need to be mailed will be charged shipping. Happy racing, wish I could be there to cheer y'all on. jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 18:21:20 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tee shirt orders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, I should have said that this link shows the artwork for the event, not specifically the shirt front. For those who already emailed your info to me, no worries, you don't have to do it again - I entered your info for you. Feel free, however, to visit the link and ensure that I did it correctly. jim On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 7:56 PM J.C. Hassall wrote: > Folks, as Marty said, now is the time to think about ordering shirts. The > deadline to order will be 30 APR. This is a one-time order opportunity; > there will not be an additional run for extras. > > This year I'm trying a new procedure to make it more straightforward for > everyone. Here is a link to a Google Sheet, accessible by everyone to whom > this email is addressed. Click the link and enter your data there. If you > make a mistake, please call me (540.357.1444) and we'll fix it together. Kastner > Cup Tee shirt order link > > The shirt front can be seen here: Shirt Front > > > These are a good quality shirt so sizes are realistic - i.e an XL size in > a low end shirt is a Large in this case. The Ladies shirts are Lady cut, > not unisex nor Mens. Ted Schumacher will handle printing and delivery to > the track. If you want shirts shipped, please include your shipping > address in the spreadsheet (more on that below). > > This info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee > payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time > of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if > buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges > to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc." Orders which > need to be mailed will be charged shipping. > > Happy racing, wish I could be there to cheer y'all on. > > jim > > -- > > W4BEA > > > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are > willing to work and give to those who would not. > Thomas Jefferson > > > > I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily > entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) > J. Stoll > > -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 10:47:43 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 12:47:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shirt payment info Message-ID: Folks, Ted Schumacher will handle all payments, as he's making the shirts. Here is the payment info from Ted: "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if track-side pick up. We will not charge the card until time of shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc.: hth jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Wed Feb 26 10:57:21 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 10:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Shirt payment info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55c3eda0-122f-d04d-8df7-3961c853ab08@bradakis.com> On 2/26/20 10:47 AM, J.C. Hassall via Fot wrote: > Folks, > > Ted Schumacher will handle all payments, as he's making the shirts.? > Here is the payment info from Ted: > > "Order guarantee - we need a credit card to guarantee payment even if > track-side pick up.? We will not charge the card until time of > shipping or pick-up. VISA/MasterCard/Discover or check. PayPal only if > buyer calls first so we can walk them through the procedure. PayPal > charges to merchant are double what we are charged by VISA, etc.: > So we should call TSI at 419.384.3022to speak with him directly, I guess. mjb. From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 12:14:50 2020 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 19:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? In-Reply-To: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> References: <613603AD-676A-4CF4-8CB0-9A31C53101D2@icloud.com> Message-ID: <789134540.2238665.1582744491004@mail.yahoo.com> My vote would be ECR! Mike On Monday, February 3, 2020, 08:55:44 PM CST, Greg Blake via Fot wrote: I had the pleasure of running the new short course at eagles canyon in early December and it was amazing. We run the full course this spring and I?ll be sure to give a full report then. In any case, I?d love to help host at ECR next year. I?d help out at COTA or Hallet too. But my preference would be ECR then Hallet then COTA in that order. Yes I live in Austin, but I just prefer those two venues over COTA. Just my opinion. Greg Sent from my iPhone On Feb 3, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: ? FOT COTA, ahh COTA.. I have a lot of laps at COTA, but most of them have been in the "Beandito" endurance racer TR6, and even more on a bicycle. The venue is great, but not very vintage in aesthetics. If the FOT would want to make a go of it in Texas once again we would be happy to host. I am sure we could put on a good show even though we have had some attrition in the ranks of our Texas based FOT. COTA is a choice for sure but both Hallett and especially Eagles Canyon have had significant upgrades. ECR has been almost completed rebuilt from our bouncy K-Cup days. The demise of Texas World Speedway and losing the 3 race weekends that were held there annually has hurt as the nearest race for the Austin based guys is 5 hours away (other than COTA). We have also had a number of racing retiree's that sold off cars and others that moved on to other series and/or cars. We will not be able to count on double digits participation from locals if you all want to come to Texas. Having help run 2 K-Cups with low participation numbers I would rather see the event held closer to places that more cars can get to in a reasonable tow. Bob Kramer On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 1:58 PM Walt Hollowell via Fot wrote: I plan on racing at COTA this November. I'll let you know how it works out. I'm looking forward to it. Walt Hollowell Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Stephen Jones via Fot Date: 2/3/20 12:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: fot at autox.team.net, Mark J Bradakis Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? COTA seems to be fairly midway between east and west coast pending your latitude, and is one of the most challenging and fun tracks. From: "Mark J Bradakis via Fot" Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 10:02 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2021? On 1/30/20 7:40 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > The Kastner Cup 2020 is well on its way to being the most significant Kastner Cup that we have ever had. (Thank you, Marty Sukey) > > But does anyone have any thoughts about The Kastner Cup 2021? > > Kastner Cup 2021 is currently a blank sheet of paper. > > Awaiting your ideas and proposals. They will be discussed with Kas. > If I actually get Killer back together this year and am in a position to get a competition license from some sanctioning body, I would like the 2021 cup to be within a reasonable towing distance from Salt lake City. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/6t9gt6 at toast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gblake58tr3 at icloud.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhassall at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 14:00:15 2020 From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shirt payment info Message-ID: No money will change hands until after 30 APR. After the *absolute* deadline is passed, folks who have ordered shirts may contact Ted (contact info will be posted 30 APR) to arrange payment. Credit cards are preferred, but in a pinch PayPal may be used, with extra fees charged.. For shirts to be mailed, a TBD (depending upon number of shirts) extra charge will be necessary. We need to keep in mind that spring is big shirt ordering time for professional shops. We are small potatoes so it is important that we get our order in early, else we may lose out if we can't order enough shirts. jim -- W4BEA The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily entertained is totally the way to go! ;-) J. Stoll -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 15:33:38 2020 From: jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com (Jack Wheeler) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 22:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] [Mgs] convertible top help needed In-Reply-To: <20200226211002.39659A0C31@autox.team.net> References: <20200226211002.39659A0C31@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1380575203.2339141.1582756418814@mail.yahoo.com> I installed a tonneau on my 71 B a few years ago.? It's a tight fit, but I found that? by tucking one end of the top bows down under the rear body panel, then pushing from the other side, I was able to tuck the second side under the body panel also.? There is too much top material to ever get the tonneau perfectly flat, but I could get it pushed down far enough so that the tonneau would snap all around it.? Is your friend using the removable bows that fit right behind the seats, under the tonneau?? This helps hold the tonneau cover up so that the top material sticking up is not so noticeable.? Also, do it on a hot day, and let it sit in the sun for a few hours before you start.? Good Luck. Jack On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 4:23:24 PM EST, S.Carr via Mgs wrote: I?ve been helping a friend who wants to install a tonneau cover on a 1980 MGB convertible.? We?ve tried to follow the instructions?but the top bows are about 1/4 inch too wide to drop down inside the rear deck, leaving the front corners sticking up?no way can we install a flat tonneau cover!? The top?s being old and stiff is of course no help.? Any suggestions from the list? ? Sarah Carr ?71 B/GT in PA ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ Mgs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mgs/jwheeler1947 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From walt at hot-tr6.com Wed Feb 26 16:04:40 2020 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pressure plate for a TR6 Message-ID: <063001d5ecf9$20a258e0$61e70aa0$@hot-tr6.com> Does any FOT member have a heavy duty pressure plate for my TR6 racecar they would be ready to let go of. If so please contact me. Thanks Walter Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico Phone 505 362-4350 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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