From britracer89 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 16:58:51 2019 From: britracer89 at yahoo.com (Brian Dennis) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 22:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] GT6 engine with "special" on the block? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1409135559.1584683.1567465131941@mail.yahoo.com> Did anyone come up with meaning of ?special?? On Saturday, August 24, 2019, 9:29:16 PM EDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: This came up the other day on a Triumph forum. Stumping everyone there. Any ideas what SPECIAL on the casting means ? Not my car but interested in what it means. "Engine number is KD7632E?? So my son?s gt6 is a mk2 w a mk1 engine in it. One thing I?ve never seen on a 6 cylinder engine is the word Special embossed on the block. It?s next to the drain plug on the right side.? Anyone seen that before??? " ThanksMike H_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 466451 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 19:27:15 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 21:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 engine with "special" on the block? In-Reply-To: <1409135559.1584683.1567465131941@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1409135559.1584683.1567465131941@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I nothing from FOT and I just looked at the original post on the Triumph forum, no new news there either. I guess it really is special. thanks mike On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 6:58 PM Brian Dennis wrote: > Did anyone come up with meaning of ?special?? > > On Saturday, August 24, 2019, 9:29:16 PM EDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > This came up the other day on a Triumph forum. Stumping everyone there. > Any ideas what SPECIAL on the casting means ? Not my car but interested in > what it means. > > "Engine number is KD7632E > > So my son?s gt6 is a mk2 w a mk1 engine in it. One thing I?ve never seen > on a 6 cylinder engine is the word Special embossed on the block. It?s next > to the drain plug on the right side. > > Anyone seen that before? " > > [image: image.png] > > Thanks > Mike H > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 466451 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timmmurphh at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:56 2019 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 14:02:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival Message-ID: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> Is anyone else going to ELVF this year? Tim & Ryan Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slaterptrs at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 14:34:22 2019 From: slaterptrs at gmail.com (Tim Slater) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 16:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival In-Reply-To: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> References: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, Planning on being at ELVF. Left rig in Michigan after Grattan but had to cancel Watkins Glen to return to West Palm Beach, Florida. Fortunately we just dodged the worst of Hurricane Dorian . Thoughts and prayers to those in the Bahamas. Tim Slater Spitfire #17 Phone: 561-820-0021 On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 3:07 PM timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: > Is anyone else going to ELVF this year? > > > > Tim & Ryan Murphy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/slaterptrs at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 07:58:36 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 08:58:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kas_Kastner=E2=80=99s_Sebring_TR4?= Message-ID: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> FOT, Entry to Goodwood this month. Being shipped to Mid-Ohio for SVRA?s KCup June 2020. (Won the Kastner Cup at Topeka, Kansas) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_2866.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 127591 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- How can you NOT be there at Mid-Ohio next June? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From stutztr4 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 08:11:02 2019 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:11:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kas_Kastner=E2=80=99s_Sebring_TR4?= In-Reply-To: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> References: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> Message-ID: WPTA is all in. Bruce On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 10:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > Entry to Goodwood this month. > Being shipped to Mid-Ohio for SVRA?s KCup June 2020. > (Won the Kastner Cup at Topeka, Kansas) > > > How can you NOT be there at Mid-Ohio next June? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 4 15:44:00 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information Message-ID: To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. Hope to see you here! From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 4 19:27:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 01:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information References: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> Henry... Are you racing, and if so which car? Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, September 4, 2019,?yellow04 via Fot??wrote: To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. Hope to see you here! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Sep 5 06:00:05 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 08:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you on asphalt or grass? I mean grass is great (heh heh!) but I prefer a hard surface to?? work under on a car. Cheers, Bill On 9/4/2019 5:44 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA > event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a > bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow > Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. > > Hope to see you here! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From paulricco at att.net Thu Sep 5 07:08:35 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:08:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen TR Paddock Area Message-ID: FOT, SVRA does have a paddock area designated for the Triumphs. It is behind the main grand stand right by the start finish line. It is a paved area, in a good location and in close proximity to the grid/meeting areas. They are really making an effort to try to make this a nice weekend. They reserved enough space for every TR registered for the event If you are not into the track yet, please let the people guiding you through the paddock know that you have a TR and they will guide you the right spot. Rick Parent has said that if you are in here already and want to move to the TR area, just let SVRA staff know and you can still go there for the weekend. I assure you that they really do want all the TR owners to have a good weekend here and they are trying very hard. We got here on Wednesday morning and it was very busy. They still got us to the right area within 15 minutes of pulling in. That included registration. It was the easiest entry we have ever had and they were slammed busy. Hope everyone has a good weekend here. Paul Ricco Blue TR4 #4 From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Sep 5 08:58:44 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 14:58:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 for sale Message-ID: Friends !!! 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Wife's serious illness forces my retirement. $26,500 sacrifice price includes excellent spares, most new in boxes. Contact me off-list at 570-441-5646 or email for complete specs spiwakd at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 5 15:21:42 2019 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 21:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR 4 race car for sale In-Reply-To: References: <2108908703.2888042.1567710589553.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2108908703.2888042.1567710589553@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1572577329.2938840.1567718502316@mail.yahoo.com> Probably not, keeping two British race cars running is why I let it go and I'm not any younger since then. But Chip contacted me when he saw it several years ago, unfortunately a few hours after it was sold. Gary On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 2:59:45 PM CDT, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Time to buy it back, Gary?? ? Scott (B.) ? From: Fot On Behalf Of Dave Spiwak via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 2:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 race car for sale ? The Chip Bond/Jack Wheeler/Gary Schneider TR4 is for sale with zero-hour engine, trans and new Speedsters. Recent conversion to left-hand drive and ready to race. This car ran many national races including the SCCA Runoffs. Described in Grassroots Motorsports as The Ultimate TR4. Wife's serious illness forces my retirement. $26,500 sacrifice price includes excellent spares, most new in boxes. Contact me off-list at 570-441-5646 or email for complete specs spiwakd at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Thu Sep 5 18:19:19 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:19:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WGlen Message-ID: <99D6429A-F381-4368-AED6-321AD5B477E1@mhc-law.com> Who should walk up to our pit other than Chris Marks...what surprise! He is to drive a TR8 from Canada...Neat! Sent from my iPhone From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 5 18:31:26 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] WGlen References: <1759764600.3022285.1567729886320.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1759764600.3022285.1567729886320@mail.yahoo.com> Ach du Lieber!? Der bin Chris Marx. ?Nicht?Marks. Wilhelm Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 5, 2019,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: Who should walk up to our pit other than Chris Marks...what surprise! He is to drive a TR8 from Canada...Neat! Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Fri Sep 6 04:23:22 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 06:23:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information In-Reply-To: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96E82D30-EF0F-48BF-89AF-6BAA61AE85F3@aol.com> For those possibly coming in late. There is some room in the original Triumph Paddock area still. We are next to the Corvette Coral and right behind the main straight grandstands with easy access to those great seats! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Henry... > > Are you racing, and if so which car? > > Bill > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA > event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a > bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow > Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. > > Hope to see you here! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Sep 6 07:09:12 2019 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 13:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 for sale References: <1838266926.3235746.1567775352106.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1838266926.3235746.1567775352106@mail.yahoo.com> Trans included? ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Thursday, September 5, 2019,?Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot??wrote: Friends !!! Period Racing history , fresh ready to go . Too many details to list . Super clean car . No rust / no oil leaks . All the best bits!! POA $ Please contact me directly Regards Tony Garmey 206 612 1782_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Sep 7 19:27:43 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 01:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Any results from Watkins Glen? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Sep 7 19:48:18 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2019 21:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> The TRiumph race is tomorrow at about 1:30 pm eastern. For my race today I finished 15th with a best time of about 2:25.8. Results sheet isn?t handy. One of the gt-6?s was in the tire wall at the inside of the next to last turn at the end. Other than the triumph race tomorrow we?re in multiple groups, so it?s hard to keep track of, and the results aren?t in mylaps / speed hive yet. Regards, Tony Drews Quoting Bill Dentinger via Fot : > Any results from Watkins Glen? > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 23:20:38 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 22:20:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Any results from Watkins Glen? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Sep 8 04:32:24 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 06:32:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F38242A11A549C49125D51CC81BDFDD@VlackTK121647> Last report at the end of yesterday was the Huffaker TR8 was towed off track and no where to be seen. Also Christian Marx in the Canadian TR8 set some good lap times so if that race ever materializes it'll be a good one for sure. This is the biggest field I've ever seen at WG, there are race cars everywhere as well as the infield and outside the track is packed with spectators. Camping and Motorhomes as far as you can see. Really fantastic support all around. The Triumph activities on Friday were a lot of fun. For $145.00 you got a 60+ mile Rally, a brunch at the track, 3 laps of the course, 2 1/2 laps of the old course, preferred paring in Lafayette Park close into the Friday night town activities, 2 tickets to the track and a bottle of wine. Approx 95 street cars participated with a nice mix of all Triumph models. Weather is wonderful. Full day of racing ahead. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 1:20 AM To: Bill Dentinger ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > Any results from Watkins Glen? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From vfracing at aol.com Sun Sep 8 05:10:35 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 07:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other than the triumph race tomorrow we?re in multiple groups, so it?s hard to keep track of, and the results aren?t in mylaps / speed hive yet. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > Quoting Bill Dentinger via Fot : > >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Sep 8 05:12:35 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 07:12:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3322059 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 07:06:24 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 09:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 09:07:23 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 08:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke again... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 09:29:06 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 11:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> 3 TR8s running , Huffaker, Bulkowski, and Bennett Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke again... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: >> >> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot >> Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM >> To: Brad Eells >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>> >>> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>>> >>>> Bill Dentinger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >>> >>> >> From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 10:16:26 2019 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 09:16:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> Message-ID: I got a message that Chris was 11 seconds faster than Mueller . ELEVEN SECONDS!!!! *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:29 AM MACDONALD via Fot wrote: > 3 TR8s running , Huffaker, Bulkowski, and Bennett > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > > > That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke > again... > > > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald > wrote: > >> > >> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott > via Fot > >> Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > >> To: Brad Eells > >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > >>> > >>> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > >>> > >>> Brad Eells > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Any results from Watkins Glen? > >>>> > >>>> Bill Dentinger > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> fot at autox.team.net > >>>> > >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>>> > >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > >>> > >>> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 12:04:49 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 14:04:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Finish of the Triumph race -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: finish.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 692877 bytes Desc: not available URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 12:07:07 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 14:07:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000d01d56670$3b399f20$b1acdd60$@rogers.com> Results https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: September 8, 2019 2:05 PM To: 'Paul MacDonald'; 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: RE: [Fot] Watkins Glen Finish of the Triumph race -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Sep 8 12:44:36 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2019 14:44:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20190908144436.Horde.RDl_4d2IQSiTMB08zyjrwiB@tonydrews.com> If I did it right, attached is a full set of results. Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Vroom, Vroom, Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald via Fot To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Brad Eells' ; 'Fot' Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2019 11:12 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Results? https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: September 8, 2019 2:05 PM To: 'Paul MacDonald'; 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: RE: [Fot] Watkins Glen Finish of the Triumph race -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Sep 8 13:32:35 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 19:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <1964332569.4039560.1567971155615.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1964332569.4039560.1567971155615@mail.yahoo.com> All I got was a nice picture of the garage. But not to worry. I have a copy of SVRA?s result sheet. You done good, Tony. ?So did Henry. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 8, 2019,?Tony Drews via Fot??wrote: If I did it right, attached is a full set of results. Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 14:54:07 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:54:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Here?s the direct link. Looks like only 23 starters. Congrats John Mueller! https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 9 05:27:52 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] All-Triumph at SVRA Vintage GP References: <2958801.2884366.1568028472583.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2958801.2884366.1568028472583@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, If this wasn't posted yet, the results for the Watkins Glen Vintage GP can be found at: Race | | | | | | | | | | | Race | | | It was an epic weekend for sure. Met some new friends and had a good ol' time on the track. l8r,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Sep 9 05:51:38 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 07:51:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen. We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics. There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me. But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you. Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Sep 9 07:28:20 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 09:28:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190909092820.Horde.jmr8FyHFp71nMdHqo5thfSM@tonydrews.com> Chris, it was great seeing you again at Watkins Glen. You did a fantastic job, learned the track quickly. I was sad to see your car stopped on track during the race. The flowers for Lauren were a nice gesture. Best regards, Tony Drews Quoting Christian Marx via Fot : > I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at > Watkins Glen. > > We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. > Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and > crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He > has some knowledge about race tactics. > > There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and > myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both > drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me > couldn't expect her turning into me. > > But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. > > > We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting > from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out > that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow > him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the > wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could > manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not > interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the > great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. > > > It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and > to hang out with you. > > Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. > > Cheers > Chris From rick.parent at att.net Mon Sep 9 07:44:30 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. All the best!Rick On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot wrote: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen.? We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars.?Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics.? There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me.? But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning.? We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way.? After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you.? Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's.? Cheers?Chris?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 08:43:19 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN Message-ID: FOT I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance It is based on: Lap times and finishing position. Age of Triumph Age of Driver The Winner is: JOHN HASTY. TR3. Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jsukey at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:07:35 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) Message-ID: Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting closer! I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if anyone has found a good setup that works with points. My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation. Lucas 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" box, gapped to .015" The problem: I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the point gap to close up to zero. At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast resistor). With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points seem to last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple sessions. I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different condensers all with similar results. The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 9 09:08:26 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:08:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4701acaa-5ea5-9b4b-656b-cb5d3763ed64@bradakis.com> On 9/9/19 8:43 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. > > Nice!? Love how the age of both the car and the driver play into it. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 9 09:12:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... I'm not much good at math (although I do like to multiply), but I am not surprised John Hasty made it to the top of your formula.? He's a Jolly Good Fellow, and so say all of us. Bill Dentinger PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions that will produce those results."? I always think of that whenever I hear the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN FOT I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance It is based on: Lap times and finishing position. Age of Triumph Age of Driver The Winner is: JOHN HASTY.? TR3.? Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:20:07 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:20:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> References: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Hasty was running 2:27s and finished 8th. It didn?t take much computer run time to arrive at the results. In another 20 years this will be Henry Frye. What a group! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 9, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Bill Dentinger wrote: > > Joe... > > I'm not much good at math (although I do like to multiply), but I am not surprised John Hasty made it to the top of your formula. He's a Jolly Good Fellow, and so say all of us. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions that will produce those results." I always think of that whenever I hear the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am > Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN > > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterkbulkowski at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:34:45 2019 From: peterkbulkowski at gmail.com (Peter Bulkowski) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:34:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> References: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations to the #11 car Curt this was a great weekend Also congratulations to Henry Fry, Bob Lang and Tony Drew's you are also winners. Chris you came to the Glen and you did it first time out 2.11 time ,best time 2 minutes and 8.6 seconds Wow. This was a great weekend for FOT your are all the best. Harry you are also a real Fot guy Gute reise nach Deutschland. I am back at my Igloo in Canada and will fix the car see you at Mid Ohio Peter On Mon., Sep. 9, 2019, 09:45 Rick Parent via Fot, wrote: > It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you > are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. > > All the best! > Rick > > On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at > Watkins Glen. > > We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. > Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and > crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He > has some knowledge about race tactics. > > There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and > myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both > drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me > couldn't expect her turning into me. > > But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. > > > We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting > from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out > that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow > him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the > wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could > manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not > interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the > great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. > > > It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and > to hang out with you. > > Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peterkbulkowski at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bulkowski via Fot To: Rick Parent Cc: 'Friends Of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 8:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Congratulations to the #11 car Curt this was a great weekend?Also congratulations to Henry Fry,Bob Lang and Tony Drew's you are also winners.?Chris you came to the Glen and you did it first time out 2.11 time ,best time? 2 minutes and 8.6 secondsWow.This was a great weekend for FOTyour are all the best.?Harry you are also a real Fot guyGute reise nach Deutschland.I am back at my Igloo in Canada and will fix the car see you at Mid Ohio Peter On Mon., Sep. 9, 2019, 09:45 Rick Parent via Fot, wrote: It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. All the best!Rick On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot wrote: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen.? We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars.?Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics.? There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me.? But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning.? We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way.? After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you.? Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's.? 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URL: From peterkbulkowski at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 10:03:44 2019 From: peterkbulkowski at gmail.com (Peter Bulkowski) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 12:03:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: References: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Second that On Mon., Sep. 9, 2019, 11:21 Joe Alexander via Fot, wrote: > John Hasty was running 2:27s and finished 8th. > > It didn?t take much computer run time to arrive at the results. > > In another 20 years this will be Henry Frye. > > What a group! > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 9, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Bill Dentinger wrote: > > Joe... > > I'm not much good at math (although I do like to multiply), but I am not > surprised John Hasty made it to the top of your formula. He's a Jolly Good > Fellow, and so say all of us. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You > tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions > that will produce those results." I always think of that whenever I hear > the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am > Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN > > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to > arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Sep 9 11:16:59 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:16:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason, sounds like you have too much current going through the points. Maybe try an external ballast resistor. (Ask me how I learned this!). Why not go Pertronix or other pointless distributors? KISS. But always carry a spare! Cheers, Bill On 9/9/2019 11:07 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but > getting closer! > > I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away > and buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys > to see if anyone has found a good setup that works with points. > > My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under > 7000 rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation.?? Lucas > 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. > NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. > Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green > "lucas" box, gapped to .015" > > The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing > the point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at > Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil > (no ballast resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to > last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. > > With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long > as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a > couple sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two > different condensers all with similar results. > > The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind > the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the > first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Tue Sep 10 06:39:42 2019 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:39:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Close Ratio Gear Set TR4 Message-ID: I need to order a close ratio gear set, last one I had was from Rimmer Brothers, but it is on backorder. Is there any other sources for this?? Thanks, Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 09:04:35 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! 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Bob Kramer On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:05 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! > > WGVGP Triumph Race > > WGVGP Triumph Race > > 2019 Watkins Glen Grand Prix all-Triumph feature race > > > > > C ya, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 10 09:38:20 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature In-Reply-To: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1895915929.5048266.1568129900907@mail.yahoo.com> Bob... Great video.? Thanks for sharing.? I'll bet Henry will love it too, if he has not seen it. You made some gutsy efforts towards a pass, but Henry held you off.? Great racing. Reminded me that I always preferred chasing someone, rather than holding someone off (which drove me crazy). Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 8:05 am Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature Hi, Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! WGVGP Triumph Race | | | | | | | | | | | WGVGP Triumph Race 2019 Watkins Glen Grand Prix all-Triumph feature race | | | C ya,Bob Lang _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 10 11:46:13 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen with SVRA In-Reply-To: References: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3819b341634e8db32b08c1ae8cf6ff64@tr4racer.com> A great weekend was had by all, a special thanks to Bob Lang for some really close, fun racing! I got tossed in Group 8, and was under-tired by a long shot, but had some good clean runs with cars I don't usually get to race with. Then of course was the All Triumphs race, for me it was everything we do this for. I must admit this was the first event I have run with SVRA in 10 years. Back then, I had experienced firsthand many of the issues that everybody seems to rant about with SVRA, so it was with some trepidation that I accepted the $100 offer to run what was one of the greatest festival events in the east. I'm glad I did, the event was everything I could have hoped for. I camp at the track in my RV, and was never approached for a camping fee. Nobody rode around playing gestapo security guard. It was just a nice weekend in the paddock at The Glen. Plus got to run the race car in town and on the original race course! Great fun. Racers have told me the SVRA tech process is tough, and they are a pain in the ass. But I chose to play in their sandbox, so I need to play by their rules. I know my SFI belts were older than 2 years so I put a new set of belts. I know my HANS device is older than 5 years so I am prepared to deal with the re-certification process. (I actually got a one-time pass on that, I'll deal with it next year at Mid-Ohio!) The drivers safety gear inspection was thorough but quite fair. The only complaints I heard were from people who were running in gear that was so old it didn't have the FIA/SFI labels, or was in the eyes of the inspector unfit to run because it's falling apart, has holes, is oil-soaked, etc. I found it hard to sympathize with guys who are driving in gear that was well beyond it's sell-by date. Bottom line, the SVRA tech process is simple, bring a well prepped car with good drivers gear and you will breeze through it like I did. The sessions were short, but by Saturday the schedule was pretty close and we were getting the allotted track time. I could complain about lost time from track oiling earlier in the weekend, but let's not go there! Apologies to Rick Parent, I didn't find the time to introduce myself. In my mind we are all systems go for Mid-Ohio in 2020 for the Kastner Cup!!! From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 10 12:00:14 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:00:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature In-Reply-To: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <691eb34bd7898753a18c867026960159@tr4racer.com> We have all heard the adage "The best defense is a good offense" but it seems I have it backwards... I couldn't find 4th gear on the start, so it took a few laps to run down Bob. The second half of my video is almost as boring as the first half of Bobs! But those attempted passes on Turn 1 are very kool, Bob!!! On 2019-09-10 11:04, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 20:24:39 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] RARE cards References: <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736@mail.yahoo.com> I have been able to acquire a rare set of cards, one even autographed. ? Sadly, not a full set. ? Of note though, are two father/son team cards, and the elusive/exclusive autographed Tony Drews card. ?Can anyone name them all? ?Which am I missing for a complete set? ?Haha. See attached photo. Can anyone find the Easter egg on the Curt Johnson card? Nice racing with the group! ?The Glen was a blast, and thank you all for the advice along the way!! 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URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 11 06:19:58 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) References: <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504@mail.yahoo.com> I agree, a lot of electrons going through there, and the red plastic rubbing block on the modern points has its limit.Points are fine on a 4-cylinder engine, if all is kept in order, but a 6-cylinder at those revs is pretty much at the limit; it has to do with coil saturation time, the amount of time that the points are closed.There's a limit to how fast the points can be made to open and close, just like a cam/valve action, and the modern optical & magnetic units are instantaneous and allow max saturation time for a good spark.A 6-cylinder @ those revs would likely benefit from a modern unit.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tobin via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) Jason, sounds like you have too much current going through the points. Maybe try an external ballast resistor. (Ask me how I learned this!). Why not go Pertronix or other pointless distributors? KISS. But always carry a spare! Cheers, Bill On 9/9/2019 11:07 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting closer! I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if anyone has found a good setup that works with points. My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation.?? Lucas 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" box, gapped to .015" The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different condensers all with similar results. The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! 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Name: IMG_9867.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2211028 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 07:37:40 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 09:37:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) In-Reply-To: <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the ignition advice over the past few days. No more fooling around, I just ordered a 123Tune USB distributor. Yet one more racing problem solved by throwing $ at it. :) Jason On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:20 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > I agree, a lot of electrons going through there, and the red plastic > rubbing block on the modern points has its limit. > Points are fine on a 4-cylinder engine, if all is kept in order, but a > 6-cylinder at those revs is pretty much at the limit; it has to do with > coil saturation time, the amount of time that the points are closed. > There's a limit to how fast the points can be made to open and close, just > like a cam/valve action, and the modern optical & magnetic units are > instantaneous and allow max saturation time for a good spark. > A 6-cylinder @ those revs would likely benefit from a modern unit. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Tobin via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 1:18 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) > > Jason, sounds like you have too much current going through the points. > Maybe try an external ballast resistor. (Ask me how I learned this!). > Why not go Pertronix or other pointless distributors? KISS. But always > carry a spare! > Cheers, Bill > On 9/9/2019 11:07 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting > closer! > > I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and > buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if > anyone has found a good setup that works with points. > > My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 > rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation.?? Lucas 25D6 > dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. > NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. > Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" > box, gapped to .015" > > The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the > point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced > Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast > resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to last, but the car > won't rev past 5000 rpm. > > With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I > don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple > sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different > condensers all with similar results. > > The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the > armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two > laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Sep 13 11:07:20 2019 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 12:29:43 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:29:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago. Josh, his son, is on Pole. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot wrote: > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 13:42:23 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:42:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood In-Reply-To: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> References: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Took the time to watch it, awesome! Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago. > Josh, his son, is on Pole. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot > wrote: > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Sep 13 14:31:56 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:31:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood In-Reply-To: References: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <463BA1A0-AD24-40EA-8D61-9BB29981BD07@btinternet.com> We had a great day?this is the first time the car has run since the 2016 Silverstone Classic. Driver and car performed brilliantly. Now for the race tomorrow ? > On 13 Sep 2019, at 20:42, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Took the time to watch it, awesome! > Bob Kramer > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago. Josh, his son, is on Pole. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot > wrote: > >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------ End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------ End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Sep 13 16:58:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 22:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood References: <2089545468.1090307.1568415516676.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2089545468.1090307.1568415516676@mail.yahoo.com> Keith... What time is the race tomorrow (UK time)? Good Luck! ?Go FAST! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, September 13, 2019,?Keith Files via Fot??wrote: We had a great day?this is the first time the car has run since the 2016 Silverstone Classic. Driver and car performed brilliantly. Now for the race tomorrow ? On 13 Sep 2019, at 20:42, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Took the time to watch it, awesome! Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago.? Josh, his son, is on Pole. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot wrote: There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year.?https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/?Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 17:39:49 2019 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's > already at the top times. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net > wrote: > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Subject: [Fot] Goodwood > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot/attachments/20190913/c70b3c27/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Sep 13 18:01:10 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 00:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 References: <1364904067.1119783.1568419270206.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364904067.1119783.1568419270206@mail.yahoo.com> I hope to watch the race. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, September 13, 2019,?Kas Kastner via Fot??wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Sep 13 20:44:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 04:44:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <000101d56aa6$4b04f870$e10ee950$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, Harry and me is back in Germany. We need to say that we had great fun to join the Triumph racing crowd for the Watkins Glen Historic GP. We had so much fun with everyone and felt very welcome by everyone. I was very pleased that Peter?s car was doing well. Easy to drive and quick at the same time. Although some parts need upgrades as they broke over the weekend but Peter already started to work on this. The track itself is what I like most?fast corners, esses and long straights for going fast. A really great track to race on. Hope to see you all soon. Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sat Sep 14 02:37:43 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:37:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >> wrote: >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >> From: "Charly Mitchel" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >> ************************************* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 09:40:18 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA COTA Message-ID: Anybody going to the vintage national championships in Austin in October? VTR Nationals starts the next day outside Austin. I?m going to VTR and debating going early to be a spectator at COTA. Not taking the race car, this trip is going be the street TR6 but I?ll fly our flag and see if I can claim an Autocross FTD for the FoT. Dusty Sent from my iPhone From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sat Sep 14 06:30:56 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 13:30:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >> >> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >>> wrote: >>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >>> From: "Charly Mitchel" >>> To: >>> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> >>> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >>> >>> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >>> >>> Charly Mitchel >>> TR6 #44 >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >>> ************************************* >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 08:27:16 2019 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 14:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises.? Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files wrote: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 09:44:57 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Maybe I can get there next time. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. > > But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. > > Keith > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: >> >> Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >>> >>> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >>> Never be beaten by equipment. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >>>> wrote: >>>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >>>> From: "Charly Mitchel" >>>> To: >>>> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>>> >>>> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >>>> >>>> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >>>> >>>> Charly Mitchel >>>> TR6 #44 >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >>>> ************************************* >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 17:09:27 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:09:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fidenza 1500 flywheel with a 1296 engine Message-ID: I trashed my flywheel at the Glen last week. While I'm probably going to go with a Tilton set up over the winter, I needed something in a hurry for a race in two weeks so I ordered an aluminium 1500 Fidenza flywheel from Ted S. I'm going to use it with a 3 rail tranny, MK4, 10 spline 7 1/4, disk. The crankshaft is already drilled out to accept 7/16" bolts. I bolted the parts together today and took some measurements, there's a ~ 0.037 difference in thickness, from the crankshaft surface to the fingers on the pressure plate between the old setup with a stock pressure plate and the new one which I'm sure will not be a problem but are there any unknowns that I won't find out until I have everything bolted together and in the car? Stock MK1 Girling master and slave. I used a Fidenza flywheel way in the past, not this model, and I remember I had to take some material out where it bolts to the crank because I couldn't get enough clutch travel to fully disengage. Anyone using this setup now and have and tips or warnings? It's so much easier to make changes before it goes together. thanks mike h -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Sep 15 17:14:37 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:14:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen in-car video - All-Triumph race Message-ID: <5b1d3add-cdff-9d24-a119-e08cef1125f9@tonydrews.com> Enjoy... https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc Regards, Tony D From spitlist at cox.net Sun Sep 15 19:49:46 2019 From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fidenza 1500 flywheel with a 1296 engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <346553737.182682.1568598586997@myemail.cox.net> I used that flywheel on my own small Journal 1296 with a 1500 clutch. It worked out fine once I chamfered the center hole. I was getting interference and rubbing before I did that. It wasn't obvious at first but about the 4th time I pulled the gearbox, the evidence marks showed up. Joe > On September 15, 2019 at 7:09 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > I trashed my flywheel at the Glen last week. While I'm probably going to go with a Tilton set up over the winter, I needed something in a hurry for a race in two weeks so I ordered an aluminium 1500 Fidenza flywheel from Ted S. I'm going to use it with a 3 rail tranny, MK4, 10 spline 7 1/4, disk. The crankshaft is already drilled out to accept 7/16" bolts. > I bolted the parts together today and took some measurements, there's a ~ 0.037 difference in thickness, from the crankshaft surface to the fingers on the pressure plate between the old setup with a stock pressure plate and the new one which I'm sure will not be a problem but are there any unknowns that I won't find out until I have everything bolted together and in the car? Stock MK1 Girling master and slave. > > I used a Fidenza flywheel way in the past, not this model, and I remember I had to take some material out where it bolts to the crank because I couldn't get enough clutch travel to fully disengage. Anyone using this setup now and have and tips or warnings? It's so much easier to make changes before it goes together. > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 21:38:57 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 22:07:38 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:07:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 06:41:37 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: I just replaced an 11 year old Optima battery that I thought was on it's way out but it turned out to be the alternator. I used to have lead acid batteries but they seemed to die after a year or so, I suspect the vibration was causing internal damage. The new Optima battery was ~$175, delivered, on line, $60 more than an AGM, glass mat, battery of similar capacity, that I could get locally. My good luck with the old one was a big influence in the decision. The "worn" out one is going in a street spit I own next spring. mike On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 12:07 AM Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. > Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little > tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it > total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain > limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people > don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even > the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a > simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the > battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well > buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to > manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable > charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery > entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the > battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you > overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal > BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. > > Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and > generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on > too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen > mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles > the battery. > > Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe > cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an > AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by > Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole > wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the > flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 07:07:00 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:07:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. > On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: > > If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. > > Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. > > Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > >> On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: >> >> Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? >> OR >> Should I just go get another wetcell type? >> >> Thoughts and considerations? >> >> Outta juice here in NorCal >> Nick >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 07:49:38 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 13:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that.? On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging.? Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery.? Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special.? On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 16 08:02:57 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle?Tender?chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. ?Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 16 08:02:57 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle?Tender?chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. ?Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 08:16:08 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:16:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, I've had good luck with the Deka Powersports Sealed AGM batteries on anything with an alternator. No battery box required as it's "spillproof". I use the ETX20L size that's about 15 lbs. Has ample cranking for my 12.5:1 6 cylinder, plenty of reserve for extended cranking if the car is flooded. No special charging requirements, I use a battery tender or battery minder to maintain them over the winter. Usually in stock at the chain auto parts stores for under $100. There are lighter batteries out there, but it's a great compromise for me. Not too expensive, lighter weight than a full sized battery, does not require any special care on my part (it just works). http://www.eastpennmanufacturing.com/wp-content/uploads/Deka-Sports-Power-AGM-Flyer-0278.pdf https://www.amazon.com/Deka-Power-Sports-ETX20L-Battery/dp/B0026H3CB4 Jason On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:41 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by > Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole > wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the > flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Sep 16 08:17:07 2019 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:17:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> , <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?ve had a dry cell battery failure caused by overcharging from an OE DENSO alternator when the internal regulator pack obviously failed. This happened very very quickly and because we were running digital tripmeters and clocks in the car at the time we got early warning as they are very voltage sensitive. The battery took about 5 minutes to gas up and would have popped has I not switched off and disconnected it. All in the dark and rain as usual on a rally and in the middle of nowhere. Dry cells are not trouble free so unless you need the weight saving I?d suggest some careful thought on using them. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Sep 2019, at 14:49, ralph hansen via Fot > wrote: I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=w2Hy5tRKsfpWaM6zXifLBy3Sr3jhYSiyxuSAHFcQQaw%3D&reserved=0 Donate: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=P%2BfdQkN0d8ZkbYZrZi0INPmNUwX9Zya%2FNLtJzDJo8qk%3D&reserved=0 Archive: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=ibfqTSPfySdoJ2gj%2BhAjepdju0SGXNlYAWLlO3L5RDk%3D&reserved=0 https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=oN1lINF9uLw%2FPOe%2F4kbDabFavoGYB64Vj%2BhXgDbbjHk%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe/Manage: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ftony.sheach%40live.co.uk&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=BD8zuJD3%2BNeY3fRbjX5tRBKkKeMLzK7PYErwB00lPbE%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 08:32:16 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:32:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Standard lead acid batteries don?t like vibration much. Fortunately our Triumphs are vibration-free. And yes, they don?t live long if they are routinely discharged to less than 50% of ?capacity?. People get remarkably heated about decisions they?ve made about one chemistry or another. I shared some of my experiments on an Airstream forum and it?s a good thing it was online or I might have been lynched. I?m building a Tesla-based battery pack for Fritz, my remarkably stupid GMC Motor home project. Very spooky chemistry unless it?s very well controlled, and then it?s awesome. Charge to 4.15 volts per cell and it?s fine, charge to 4.2V and it catches fire and explodes. So yeah, don?t do that. Don?t drop matches into fuel tanks either. No relevance to racing TR?s though. > On Sep 16, 2019, at 7:02 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle Tender chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. Our problems went away. > > We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Sep 16 09:00:39 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:00:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ditto to Bill?s advice. I have had that same experience with my Spec Racer Ford battery. I had tons of trouble with the battery going dead between weekends and that went away as soon as I started keeping it on a battery tender between events. These days, I race the SRF so damn much (eleven weekends and counting) I don?t think the battery would notice if I didn?t keep it on a tender (but I still do?). Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:03 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Battery ? In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle Tender chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 09:07:42 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:07:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? Message-ID: Hello all, I?ve got to wonder if I?m the Optima record holder here? Got 19 years out of one! It was dated 1998 and I grudgingly it go in 2017 with a old Chrysler 300 hotrod I was selling. The day I was to deliver the Chrysler, it?s 6 year old Interstate gave up and I put in the Optima - and it happily cranked the high compression 440. The only ?failure? I had with it was the K-Cup in Topeka. I had it mounted horizontally in the trunk of the TR and the positive terminal rattled off and cost me the race. That was the day Kas taught me to pin the terminals to the posts with sheet metal screws. Heavy but rock solid reliable. Your mileage may vary... Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Sep 16 10:19:16 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:19:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, here's my 2 cents worth. KISS; I like to drive the thing, not work on it constantly, although sometimes.......... I run a standard Autolite battery, in the trunk, enclosed. Also a GM Delco alternator, one that can be had for $55 in almost any parts store. Bolts on with minimum fuss. Yet to have a problem with either. OK, I'm a mid to back of pack kind of guy. If I wanted to save 40 pounds, I'd knock it off my body (only 20 so far this year). I'm having fun and have gotten a total of 1 trophy/medal in my racing career. But having fun and not financing the farm to do it. Had a couple great races at PittRace last weekend; beat the Porsche 3 out of 4, the Volvo, don't laugh, it's a great car, although the tech guy said it looks like a hearse. Got the MG B after probably the most fun and close race of my life. Sideways a couple times. The B driver and I had a great time and hooted about it after the race. The way I feel it's supposed to be. But I digress. Cheers, Bill On 9/16/2019 11:07 AM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Hello all, > I???ve got to wonder if I???m the Optima record holder here? Got 19 years out of one! It was dated 1998 and I grudgingly it go in 2017 with a old Chrysler 300 hotrod I was selling. > The day I was to deliver the Chrysler, it???s 6 year old Interstate gave up and I put in the Optima - and it happily cranked the high compression 440. The only ???failure??? I had with it was the K-Cup in Topeka. I had it mounted horizontally in the trunk of the TR and the positive terminal rattled off and cost me the race. That was the day Kas taught me to pin the terminals to the posts with sheet metal screws. > Heavy but rock solid reliable. Your mileage may vary... > Greg ???Lunker??? Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Sep 16 10:38:02 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 18:38:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001d56cad$1c9de6f0$55d9b4d0$@gmail.com> On my TR4 I use a Hawker Odyssey 16Ah battery. Lead gelly. Works fine. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 16. September 2019 05:39 An: FOT List Betreff: [Fot] Battery ? Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ken Suhre On Sunday, September 15, 2019, 07:00:52 PM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Enjoy... https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc Regards, Tony D _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Sep 16 20:45:26 2019 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 02:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> I use a lithium. ?Weighs four lbs. ?no alternator. ?12 cell. ?No problem ?past two years. ?Charges easily with their charger. ?Voltage at start of 20 min?race 13.4 and at end 13.2. ?Will last all weekend. ?Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Mon Sep 16 22:53:59 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:53:59 +0300 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?=5BGRRC_Exclusive=5D_Revival_2019_=E2=80=93_Ford?= =?utf-8?q?water_Trophy_full_race?= Message-ID: Dear all, For this who did not get to see the race first time round?.enjoy. Kind regards, Keith > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/grrc-exclusive-revival-2019--fordwater-trophy-full-race/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 16 23:50:58 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:50:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B0721E3-8592-4E27-83CB-C9DBB1B3ABDA@aol.com> We ?discovered? that there are (at least) two sizes of starter motors available, 1.4 kW and 2.0 kW. The former from TRF and Moss, the latter from Ted Schumacher. With a small battery the 2 kW motor starts the car much better, spinning it faster and, I think, ultimately with less energy drain from the battery. Being a Yankee, I use a 450 cca lawn tractor battery. I would need a booster battery to start the car when cold using the 1.4 kW motor, but with the 2kW motor it cranks right up without a booster, all else being the same. Bottom line, when choosing a battery, consider the whole system. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > I use a lithium. Weighs four lbs. no alternator. 12 cell. No problem past two years. Charges easily with their charger. Voltage at start of 20 min race 13.4 and at end 13.2. Will last all weekend. Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Sep 17 01:08:34 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <274455132.12511716.1568704114626.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> When your car is already at the minimum weight, I think there is little point in discarding a lead battery in favour of an Optima. In our championship though, the minimum weight for a 4 cyl TR is only 851kgs/1850lbs, so when I bought my TR4A from Bob Kramer, removing the heavy lead battery in the trunk, together with the 1cm thick cable to the front of the car, for an Optima type battery of 6kgs near the starter motor, was the easiest 15kgs saving. To get at the actual 860 kgs was a work of weeks. Most weight is saved by the polyester body parts. My door hinges are 0.8kgs lighter biy reduring the surface and the thickness and grinding the bolts. Recently, a friend of mine showed me a box (package) of a Li ion battery for a motorbike to feel the weight : I really thought the box was empty but sure enough the battery was in it! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Ponostyle" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 16 september 2019 15:49:38 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Battery ? I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. BQ_BEGIN On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com ] BQ_END _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com ] _______________________________________________ [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] [ http://www.fot-racing.com/ | http://www.fot-racing.com ] Donate: [ http://www.team.net/donate.html | http://www.team.net/donate.html ] Archive: [ http://autox.team.net/archive | http://autox.team.net/archive ] [ http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot | http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot ] Unsubscribe/Manage: [ http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com | http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com ] _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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[ https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y | https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y ] Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Tue Sep 17 09:57:50 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire Rack and tire dates References: <8ECFEE7F-3AAF-40F6-AAD4-7B0F0F800AC8@catalystre.com> Message-ID: I don?t know how many of you buy tires from Tire Rack but I just had an interesting experience I thought I would share. I recently ordered Toyo Proxes R888Rs for the GT6. I always have the same conversation with the sales person - "what date tires are you shipping, I don?t want last years? tires?. They are always clear that they can?t guarantee the date, but the guy assured me that they had not shipped anything older than 2019 since March of this year, so I thought I was good. They were delivered to my home two days before I left for the track, I didn?t look at them and took them to the track to be mounted. Then I looked. Ugh. A 2016, a 2018 and two 2019s. Though the tires performed fine, I was not a happy camper. I called Tire Rack, and after two calls, got a credit for the 2016 and more importantly, figured out how to avoid this in the future. They will not offer this unless you specifically ask, but if you tell them that your order should have instructions to the warehouse to only ship a date code newer than X (pick a date), and to cancel the order if they can?t do that, they will do so. Tire Rack has good prices, will shave the tires for $20 each, and I don?t have anyone convenient to me who offers what I need, so I buy race tires and at least one set of passenger car tires from TR every year. However, absent specific instructions, apparently their policy is that any tire manufactured in the last four years is good. They claim sometimes they get the older tires from the manufacturer, not that they have been sitting on them. Don?t know if I believe that. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 10:12:09 2019 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:12:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My first Road race! In-Reply-To: <508457197.15451708.1568728071139.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <7D934140-4F8D-484F-923B-A29CE7C46FEC@gmail.com> <508457197.15451708.1568728071139.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <74D5B777-BB18-471F-A0CF-C24372D51D7D@gmail.com> Hi Jon, Nicely done! Great to meet you this weekend. Chuck > On Sep 17, 2019, at 6:47 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Really truly great!! > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 17 september 2019 13:54:55 > Onderwerp: [Fot] My first Road race! > > Hello everybody. I just wanted to share the video from my first ever road race in my spitfire! It was an amazing learning experience and even though I had a crummy start, I managed to end up passing every one in my fp class at one point, finishing second, and recovering from a scary moment safely out of turn 9 at Willow Springs International Raceway. It was one of the greatest weekends of my life and I absolutely can?t wait to do it again! > https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was one of the greatest weekends of my life and I absolutely can?t wait to do it again!?https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 18:27:20 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:27:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA schedule for 2020 Message-ID: SVRA has released their racing schedule for 2020. Mid-Ohio event is June 26-28 and Triumph is the Marque plus Kastner Cup. Mark your calendar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Tue Sep 17 23:41:00 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 08:41:00 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> Hi Shawn, It was an exciting race at the start. The Mini Marcos was so small Josh could not see him in his mirror but knew he was there so went wide to avoid contact. We were giving away 350 & 400kgs to the Lotus and Mini Marcos with only a little extra power, 10 & 50bhp respectively. Both those cars were well driven and deserved their podiums. Btw, at the prize giving the Duke of Richmond described the TR as being exquisite ?? If we get invited back we will run a little less weight, we were 30kgs over our FIA weight limit, a bit more power and we might even go testing to get the right gear ratios setup; a 4.3:1 axle was not quite right for Goodwood. Anyhow, we are all still smiling happily over the result so thank you to everybody for your support, it has been fantastic. One more thing, the Duke sent a camera crew over who were with us on the Friday and Saturday, seems like there will be a feature video on the Goodwood website and social media coming soon. Thanks all, Keith Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 17:27, Shawn Frank wrote: > > A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! > > Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises. > > Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files > wrote: > Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. > > But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. > > Keith > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: >> > > Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >> >> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >> wrote: >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >> From: "Charly Mitchel" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >> ************************************* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 18 07:13:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 13:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <666758248.3102233.1568812427351@mail.yahoo.com> Very IMPRESSIVE. Not often the Chosen Ones describe a TRIUMPH as exquisite. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Keith Files via Fot To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 17, 2019 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 Hi Shawn,? It was an exciting race at the start. The Mini Marcos was so small Josh could not see him in his mirror but knew he was there so went wide to avoid contact. We were giving away 350 & 400kgs to the Lotus and Mini Marcos with only a little extra power, 10 & 50bhp respectively. Both those cars were well driven and deserved their podiums. Btw, at the prize giving the Duke of Richmond described the TR as being exquisite ?? If we get invited back we will run a little less weight, we were 30kgs over our FIA weight limit, a bit more power and we might even go testing to get the right gear ratios setup; a 4.3:1 axle was not quite right for Goodwood.? Anyhow, we are all still smiling happily over the result so thank you to everybody for your support, it has been fantastic. One more thing, the Duke sent a camera crew over who were with us on the Friday and Saturday, seems like there will be a feature video on the Goodwood website and social media coming soon.? Thanks all, Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 17:27, Shawn Frank wrote: A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises.? Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files wrote: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 19:51:20 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 01:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery again References: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> Wow. I never knew there was so much toconsider about batteries! I'm runnin one of Ted's starters, sowill assume (yeah yeah, I know) that I have one of the stronger stylestarters. Also runnin a generator (the local club is a stickler fororiginality), so need a batt that will accept a charging system sothe lithium option is moot. And thanks to Russ for the link to theever-opiniated ?Scotty? and his rant about Optimas...another onerides the bus. So, I think I will try the Deka AGMbatt that Jason suggests, or the Odessey batt that Chris likes. Does anyone have any further thots oneither of these choices? Lemme no! Gotta ask Ponostyle if his Triumphactually runs as all mine vibrate more than a hookers friend once Iturn my key! ...Vibrationless...hmmm good vibrations?? ? ? ? ? Nick in NorCal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Sep 20 23:20:55 2019 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:20:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery again In-Reply-To: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> References: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Also > runnin a generator (the local club is a stickler for > originality), so need a batt that will accept a charging > system so the lithium option is moot. I haven't really been paying attention, but this caught my eye. Can someone explain to me why a lithium starting battery can't be charged by a DC generator? The original RB106 control box used on TR2-4 probably doesn't control voltage & current well enough, but you can buy a solid state regulator that goes in the same housing, which should have no trouble meeting Li requirements without roasting the generator. And I would think the RB310 control box used on early Spitfire, GT6, etc would need no more than a bit of tweaking to work fine. -- Randall From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Sep 21 14:47:46 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 15:47:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2020 Message-ID: <3E88C017-07D3-41B6-B227-15ADFB9C44E3@gmail.com> Richard Taylor was with us in 2002. Will he return in 2020? Seems right. His race car is also his tow vehicle. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <13b883c7-117f-87c8-ba0d-4091118fb196@tonydrews.com> Watkins Glen Saturday "normal group" Feature: https://youtu.be/ysUeUTvx3m4 Sunday Triumph (previously sent this): https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc (racing starts at about the 9:00 minute mark) Sunday "normal group" Feature - probably the most semi-close racing of the Watkins videos: https://youtu.be/J0BImjKhI1A Grattan in August - 5 races, finished in each of the top 5 positions including win in the rain Sunday: Saturday race 1 (probably the best action) 5th place: https://youtu.be/oPlWchBHRqs Saturday race 2 (2nd best of the Grattan videos) 4th place: https://youtu.be/zqcPK-7narA Saturday race 3 (OK, fewer cars to run with) 2nd place: https://youtu.be/zqcPK-7narA Sunday feature race - started raining during pace lap - overall win, but not much action and running very slow due to horrible grip in the wet: https://youtu.be/7WTe8Nz8U_c Sunday "All Comer's race" - combined our groups after most of the competitors left because of the earlier rain - 3rd place finish: https://youtu.be/_Qf9PmYBMFw Regards, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Sep 24 06:58:15 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1968696313.61148665.1569329895346.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It's tempting : a Lithium battery, discarding the alternator and an empty fire extinguisher : then I would be at the minimum weight of 851kgs! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 17 september 2019 04:45:26 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Battery ? I use a lithium. Weighs four lbs. no alternator. 12 cell. No problem past two years. Charges easily with their charger. Voltage at start of 20 min race 13.4 and at end 13.2. Will last all weekend. Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. MDunst [ http://headgasket.com/ | Headgasket.com ] [ tel:626.358.1616 | 626.358.1616 ] Fax [ tel:626.628.3777 | 626.628.3777 ] Triple R Munitions, Inc [ tel:626.201.9471 | 626.201.9471 ] T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 13:38:54 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers mates Brian #26A Blue/White GT6 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free Test Day* at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) SVRA 1312 Regency Court Southlake, TX 76092 Preferences | Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 13:44:14 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:44:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ mike On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did > for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if > you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty > tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > > *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race > season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with > a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining > 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free > Test Day* at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > > We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the > 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days > before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This > offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. > Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free > Test Day and cancellation waiver. > > *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy > Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* > > *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, > renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on > your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete > your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. > Renew License > > New License (Quick Sign-Up) > > > > SVRA > 1312 Regency Court > Southlake, TX 76092 > Preferences > > | Unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 14:24:48 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing to our attention. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> Hello Brian, >> Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! >> To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. >> This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. 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They have Volvo as the featured marque > for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: > >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did >> for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if >> you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty >> tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> >> *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race >> season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity >> with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our >> remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free >> Test Day* at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> >> We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the >> 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days >> before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This >> offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. >> Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free >> Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> >> *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy >> Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* >> >> *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, >> renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on >> your registration. 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URL: From tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Tue Sep 24 14:35:48 2019 From: tobeirne at skillpro.com.au (=?utf-8?B?VGVycnkgT+KAmUJlaXJuZQ==?=) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:35:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was ready to book several international flights so we can attend the Kastner Cup, but I?ll put it on hold till you guys can confirm dates Post up their response ASAP please Terry (Australia) From: Fot On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot Sent: 25 September 2019 06:32 To: Joe Alexander Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits The date is wrong as well, looks like this years' info under the 2020 header. BTW, did anyone get their $100 back from the Glen yet? mike On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:24 PM Joe Alexander > wrote: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing to our attention. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ mike On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers mates Brian #26A Blue/White GT6 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano > [http://i1.cmail19.com/ei/t/33/6CD/F96/045722/csfinal/Image1-9900000000079e3c.jpg] Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) [http://i2.cmail19.com/ei/t/33/6CD/F96/045722/csfinal/unnamed-9900000000079e3c.jpg] SVRA 1312 Regency Court Southlake, TX 76092 Preferences | Unsubscribe _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 14:41:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:41:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule. Now a word about the Kastner Cup Budget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FOT: The Free Entry by SVRA is a bit of marketing genius by Tony Parella. However, please plan on paying a ?FOT Entry Fee?. To be determined. We will also be accepting donations. This will pay for: Kas Kastner?s Expenses Hospitality Tent(s) Permanent Trophy plus Performance Trophies. There may be some refreshments in the planning. The budget will be a moving target until we firm up all of the planning. The good news is that we have a crack team of volunteers. FOT has a way of jumping in where they are needed. THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO...... Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > Hello Brian, > Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! > To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. > If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. > This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. > Renew License > New License (Quick Sign-Up) > > > > SVRA > 1312 Regency Court > Southlake, TX 76092 > Preferences | Unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 14:45:36 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, You can still plan on what we discussed. But to avoid anxiety, you can wait until someone from SVRA weighs in. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Terry O?Beirne wrote: > > I was ready to book several international flights so we can attend the Kastner Cup, but I?ll put it on hold till you guys can confirm dates > > Post up their response ASAP please > > Terry > (Australia) > > From: Fot On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot > Sent: 25 September 2019 06:32 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > > The date is wrong as well, looks like this years' info under the 2020 header. BTW, did anyone get their $100 back from the Glen yet? > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:24 PM Joe Alexander wrote: > I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing > to our attention. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > Hello Brian, > Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! > To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. > If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. > This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. > Renew License > New License (Quick Sign-Up) > > > > SVRA > 1312 Regency Court > Southlake, TX 76092 > Preferences | Unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, September 24, 2019,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringingto our attention. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 24 17:58:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits References: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... SVRA is a for profit business, and VOLVO is an active auto manufacturer. ?It is likely they throw some significant dollars to SVRA for having VOLVO featured. ? That's not?an option with TRIUMPH.? It's just business. Now get out there and beat those VOLVOs. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, September 24, 2019,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringingto our attention. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 18:21:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 19:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> References: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Volvo is NOT the FEATURED MARQUE. Trust me. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Amici... > > SVRA is a for profit business, and VOLVO is an active auto manufacturer. It is likely they throw some significant dollars to SVRA for having VOLVO featured. > > That's not an option with TRIUMPH. > > It's just business. > > Now get out there and beat those VOLVOs. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing > to our attention. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. >> >> https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ >> >> mike >> >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> Hello Brian, >> Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! >> To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. >> This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. >> Renew License >> New License (Quick Sign-Up) >> >> >> >> SVRA >> 1312 Regency Court >> Southlake, TX 76092 >> Preferences | Unsubscribe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 18:49:10 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:49:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? thanks mike h On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT > > I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > > Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > > Please review to see if I missed anything. > > > https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 19:01:32 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think they understand the importance of Triumphs at Mid-Ohio. It?s just too early yet. Our Media Maven will be chasing their Media Maven, quite soon. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: > > The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. > Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? > > thanks > mike h > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Sep 24 20:20:20 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1248D14A-C140-4B76-B251-2FDAD1B137D4@yahoo.com> Mike, I once drove The Grand Prize of America track on Hutchison Island in Savannah... in an SUV. I was in the area and just cruising around looking for it when all of a sudden the road I was on got curvy and had red and white stripped roll curbs. My wife and young child went for an unexpected ride as I put the family truckster through it?s paces. Neat little track with good paving set in a little forest, would be a blast in our lite small engined cars. I?ll be going back some day with the Spitfire. Dusty Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. > Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? > > thanks > mike h > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *(818) 350-6222 Office* Spoke to him last week about a clutch set up. mike h On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 7:26 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > We have inquiries regarding the rental of cars for the Kastner Cup. > > Need contact information. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested. This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive. Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Sep 25 12:09:14 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:09:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] More on 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, I am not aware of any power being available at the track except in the garages. Second, if you prefer to be paddocked in the grass please still answer my previous questions and also let me know you prefer the grass. I am "hoping" to reserve a section of grass paddock adjoining the blacktop area also. Not guarantees though. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of marty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface. Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested. This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive. Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Sep 25 14:06:06 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:06:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Paddock Message-ID: Don't get all worked up on the parking of the open trailers. They did tell me that they would need to be parked in the grass but that is part of doing the up front details. Once we have some space requirements figured out and I can dangle we have (X) numbers of cars coming I'm thinking there is some flexibility there. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Sep 25 14:16:48 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:16:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] M Ohio Message-ID: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> For those with simulators or searching track maps, if SVRA sticks to it?s past, they will be using the bus stop between turn 1 & the key hole.... Sent from my iPhone From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 15:21:10 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:21:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] M Ohio In-Reply-To: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> References: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: >From the Historic Racing Group's website where they have a large collection of track maps in general: http://historicracinggroup.com/reference-material.php In particular- Mid Ohio: http://historicracinggroup.com/resources/Track_Maps/Mid-Ohio.pdf mike h On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 4:17 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > For those with simulators or searching track maps, if SVRA sticks to it?s > past, they will be using the bus stop between turn 1 & the key hole.... > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She was surprised and said she would look into Brian On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 6:53 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > Did any TR drivers who raced and finished the Triumph reunion race at the > SVRA Watkins Glen earlier this month receive their $100 reimbursement as > promised?? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Sep 26 05:05:19 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 07:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? Thanks Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT > > I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > > Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > > Please review to see if I missed anything. > > > https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 05:44:32 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 06:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> Message-ID: <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Yes! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: > > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? > Thanks > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 06:07:00 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Message-ID: SVRA has on-line registration available for the 2020 SVRA Mid-Ohio event. Easy to do but you need to set up your account with driver and vehicle information. Credit card payment for the $100. On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:44 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Yes! > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: > > > > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the > weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? > > Thanks > > Phil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> FOT > >> > >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > >> > >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > >> > >> Please review to see if I missed anything. > >> > >> > >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell: 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Sep 26 07:03:27 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 09:03:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B24418C-8CE1-4D7C-B9C6-BD01F7B99621@aol.com> Thanks! See you June 25 to 28th!!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:07 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > SVRA has on-line registration available for the 2020 SVRA Mid-Ohio event. Easy to do but you need to set up your account with driver and vehicle information. Credit card payment for the $100. > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:44 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Yes! >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: >> > >> > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? >> > Thanks >> > Phil >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> FOT >> >> >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> 4505 Donald Dr >> >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> >> The-vintage-racer.com >> >> Gasketinnovations.com >> >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Thu Sep 26 08:59:15 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:59:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Message-ID: <1411108879.2876.1569509956034@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 10:08:50 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! References: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! <!--#yiv5277580306 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv5277580306 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? Thanks,Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 10:11:26 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Message-ID: <5d8ce335.1c69fb81.b2c36.6fa2@mx.google.com> Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. 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In-Reply-To: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <371131637.8985323.1569516411053@mail.yahoo.com> I remember it well, it took me 3 days to haul the TR-6 up there with the old Land Rover.It was a GREAT weekend!Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; trmarty ; fot Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? Thanks,Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Thu Sep 26 12:35:06 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 14:35:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 Message-ID: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 12:43:45 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 In-Reply-To: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1686634310.7253692.1569523425881@mail.yahoo.com> The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 <!--#yiv1159809611 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio <!-- #yiv1159809611 _filtered #yiv1159809611 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1159809611 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv1159809611 #yiv1159809611 p.yiv1159809611MsoNormal, #yiv1159809611 li.yiv1159809611MsoNormal, #yiv1159809611 div.yiv1159809611MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv1159809611 a:link, #yiv1159809611 span.yiv1159809611MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1159809611 .yiv1159809611MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv1159809611 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv1159809611 div.yiv1159809611WordSection1 {} -->Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 13:07:32 2019 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 238 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <594550940.7272378.1569524852070@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry for the misinformation on the Kastner Cup 2020 dates. Igot a reply back from someone answer the info@ emails to the track and they told me the incorrect dates for the Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix, so inevitably I posted those dates in error. My apologies... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"'65 Triumph TR4A IRS "Johnny" On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 01:00:05 PM CDT, wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! (fubog1) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:46:51 +0000 (UTC) From: fubog1 To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, trmarty at hotmail.com, ??? fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Message-ID: <371131637.8985323.1569516411053 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I remember it well, it took me 3 days to haul the TR-6 up there with the old Land Rover.It was a GREAT weekend!Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; trmarty ; fot Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? 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I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Thu Sep 26 15:58:37 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 21:58:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Too much cold can have a very negative effect on the fuel bladder and flexible lines. And even a small amount can ice up the carb. https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/mc-mc.nsf/eng/lm00129.html You might, might be able to get an extra 1-2% with a 15-30? change, but don't go too far, especially if it is humid. On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 9:51 PM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road > America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every > 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some > quick competition out there. > > > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 26 16:12:18 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 16:16:35 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 17:16:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> Smokey Yunick Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) _____ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Sep 26 17:10:14 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Chris Marx via Fot > Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT > To: "fot at autox. team. net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Or roll cage. > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 26 17:38:33 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:38:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Message-ID: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. JVV From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Marx via Fot Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Or roll cage. Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Sep 26 17:41:36 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 23:41:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: 7.2 gallons max. And they have the same problem, but I want to be one step ahead of them in solving it :-) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:22:19 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel They may have the same issue as you and have to soft pedal too. Is there a size limit on fuel cells that says 7.2 gallons max, or do some of the fast guys have larger capacity? If all the same develop a strategy especially if you can do a fuel stop. I recall and I think it was Mark Donahue in Trans Am that did a fuel stop much earlier than the rest of the racers and ran away at the end when others needed to stop for fuel. His book I think the title was something like ?An Unfair Advantage? detailed how he out thought his competitors in many details. If you have never read the book do so, it?s worth the read on history of a great racer. He didn?t put fuel in his frame however. Left us far too early. JVV From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:14 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: RE: [Fot] Cold Fuel If only I could do that by Saturday? From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:12 PM To: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 26 18:04:33 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:04:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever.? There were many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already mentioned fragrant incident.? I wonder if I still have the well worn and tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house?? I know I've told this tale before, but.... Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to the pregrid.? All the others made their way to the bleachers there at the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already.? Everybody was yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap.? It got REAL quiet all of a sudden in the stands.? Well, not counting the roar of the engines rolling by on the track.? I don't think there was a dry eye out there, it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. It was a great beginning. Writing that just now brought up another memory.? As some of you may recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while.? It was one of the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other on-line options opened up as the network grew.? But a bit over a year after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included portions of this email from well before 2002. http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." mjb. ps:? It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet ghosts.? See you all at Mid Ohio. From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 18:19:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 00:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Jerry Van Vlack via Fot??wrote: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see.JVV?From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PMTo: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel?Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. 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Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 18:19:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 00:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Jerry Van Vlack via Fot??wrote: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see.JVV?From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PMTo: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel?Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Marx via Fot Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com #yiv6248867048 v\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 o\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 w\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048shape {}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 -- _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 11 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 a:link, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlink {color:#0563c1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 a:visited, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlinkfollowed {color:#954f72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal0 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:black;position:relative;letter-spacing:0pt;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage21 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048msochpdefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048wordsection1 {}#yiv6248867048 Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 18:30:48 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? Dean Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 8:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever.? There were many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already mentioned fragrant incident.? I wonder if I still have the well worn and tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house?? I know I've told this tale before, but.... Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to the pregrid.? All the others made their way to the bleachers there at the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already.? Everybody was yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap.? It got REAL quiet all of a sudden in the stands.? Well, not counting the roar of the engines rolling by on the track.? I don't think there was a dry eye out there, it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. It was a great beginning. Writing that just now brought up another memory.? As some of you may recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while.? It was one of the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other on-line options opened up as the network grew.? But a bit over a year after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included portions of this email from well before 2002. http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." mjb. ps:? It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet ghosts.? See you all at Mid Ohio. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 26 18:42:22 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:42:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9402ea1d-b783-7523-d911-440d3929a5fa@bradakis.com> On 9/26/19 6:30 PM, Dean wrote: > > Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? > > Dean > Past my bedtime.? Getting confused, my mistake.? Need to take a nap before I go to work in a few hours. mjb. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Thu Sep 26 18:59:20 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:59:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio Message-ID: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Thu Sep 26 19:57:37 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <072168B9-A9F1-437C-9902-9272CF06A7F5@artwithcars.com> In 1992 there was oil in the esses and we all spun out ~Steve > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Ah, time fades all into one. you could easily be right! I dont think Jeff was racing at that level in '92. > Sometimes I cant figure out if I'm 40 or 80 yrs old. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 8:30 PM > To: Mark J Bradakis , "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? > > Dean > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 8:04 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio > > That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever. There were > many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already > mentioned fragrant incident. I wonder if I still have the well worn and > tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house? I know I've told this > tale before, but.... > > Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to > the pregrid. All the others made their way to the bleachers there at > the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH > energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already. Everybody was > yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of > gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap. It got REAL quiet all > of a sudden in the stands. Well, not counting the roar of the engines > rolling by on the track. I don't think there was a dry eye out there, > it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a > dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs > roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. > > It was a great beginning. > > Writing that just now brought up another memory. As some of you may > recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while. It was one of > the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other > on-line options opened up as the network grew. But a bit over a year > after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included > portions of this email from well before 2002. > > http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html > > "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to > us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars > absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." > > mjb. > > ps: It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet > ghosts. 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Sep 26 20:26:37 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:26:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Or roll cage. > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Jerry Van > Vlack via Fot > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > *An:* Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your > frame. > > *From:*Barr, Scott via Fot > > *Sent:*Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > *To:*fot at autox.team.net > > *Subject:*[Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at > Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 > gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but > there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 20:28:22 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:28:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Funny this came up today: https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > >> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >> >> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. >> JVV >> >> From: Scott Janzen via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel >> >> Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Chris Marx via Fot >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> > > Or roll cage. > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > > Scott (B.) > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Thu Sep 26 20:38:58 2019 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (Ron KRANTZ) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> References: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> Actually what Smokey did was Drilled holes in the frame rails so tech knew he wasn't putting fuel there but they didn't look at what was inside the frame rail. He put 2 inch radiator hose in there for a fuel line. The rule was for fuel cell capacity but no rule for the fuel line size. When I ran SCCA nationals at Road America in the 70's I had a 6 gallon cell, the races were 15 laps plus parade lap and cool off lap (68 total miles). I was getting 10 miles/gallon and never ran out of fuel. How you ask... Saturday night we drained the cell, drank all the beer and put the gas cans in the cooler. Fueled the car and pushed it to grid Sunday morning. Before we would get to the grid the fuel cell was pissing out the overflow from the fuel expanding in less than 5 minutes. Ron Krantz ReK Racing #77 > On September 26, 2019 at 6:16 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > Smokey Yunick > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613http://The-vintage-racer.com > > http://Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > > > > > > Scott (B.) > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Thu Sep 26 18:06:30 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:06:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Message-ID: Smokey had some good tricks up his sleeve. I think one was enough fuel line to hold about a gallon of fuel that was wound back and forth in the roll cage. My favorite was, after they put in restrictor plates, he used the biggest studs he could to hold the carbs down, hollowed them out, filled them with wax, painted them black, and rolled the car over to Tech. They took the carb off, put on the restrictor plate, and sealed it up. Of course once it came up to temp, he had about 3/4? more airflow into the engine than everyone else...Said it took several races before they caught on. > On Sep 26, 2019, at 19:38, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > From: Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Chris Marx via Fot >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> >> Or roll cage. >> >> >> >> Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot >> Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 >> An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> >> >> >> Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. >> >> >> >> From: Barr, Scott via Fot >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM >> >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> >> Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> >> >> >> So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. >> >> >> >> Scott (B.) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 22:25:32 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Message-ID: <796A70F2-B67B-4E61-AFEA-A78E2852D7C9@yahoo.com> Don?t have much to contribute these days so I?m mostly silent here. But every once in awhile a thread sparks something I?m compelled to reply to. In 1971 my father did the London to Victoria (BC Canada) air race. The stranglehold (for all) was going to be refueling in Greenland (maybe Iceland - I?m not sure). There were only two fuel pumps and all the planes would be coming in at about the same time and out as fast as possible. With the aux tank in the back seat, about 180 gallons were required. Months in advance, Dad contacted a guy with a pick-up and sent him a waterbed. Pick-up guy met him at the end of the airstrip, and (hand) pumped a full load into the Comanche 400T. To the amazement of all, they were in and out in record time! But I digress... To get to the start of the race, he and copilot Bill, had to fly the plane from Seattle to London. Actually not a problem (other than the foaming of the runway at the Piper factory en-route for a wheels-up landing that never transpired). On the trip east, they had mostly calm air at high altitude. But shortly after the start in London they got into some turbulence and flew a lower altitude than wanted (optimum cruising altitude was 24-32k? (single engine prop plane and on oxygen). Dad was always a heavy smoker. About 50 miles from the start, his copilot Bill smelled gas. Dad wasn?t worried and lit another cigarette. In the next round of turbulence, Bill looked into the back seat (aux tank area) and saw a HUGE stream of fuel coming out of a vent line! Crazy as it made my dad, he didn?t smoke again on that leg - or at least until that tank was exhausted. Point being that at the lower altitude and with warmer temps, the fuel expand quite a bit! That?s why dad would always refuel the night before a cross-country trip and why there was often fuel dripping on the hanger floor in the morning before we headed out. Make no mistake... gasoline expands a lot! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:.28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > --Apple-Mail-3E6638B7-D692-4FF1-A2BE-3AA870E70F66 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot w= > rote: >> =20 >> =EF=BB=BFSmokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. >> Bill Dentinger >> =20 >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> =20 >>> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot net> wrote: >>> =20 >>> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked c= > orrect. Don=E2=80=99t recall if he got caught before he From lunkercars at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 22:25:32 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Message-ID: <796A70F2-B67B-4E61-AFEA-A78E2852D7C9@yahoo.com> Don?t have much to contribute these days so I?m mostly silent here. But every once in awhile a thread sparks something I?m compelled to reply to. In 1971 my father did the London to Victoria (BC Canada) air race. The stranglehold (for all) was going to be refueling in Greenland (maybe Iceland - I?m not sure). There were only two fuel pumps and all the planes would be coming in at about the same time and out as fast as possible. With the aux tank in the back seat, about 180 gallons were required. Months in advance, Dad contacted a guy with a pick-up and sent him a waterbed. Pick-up guy met him at the end of the airstrip, and (hand) pumped a full load into the Comanche 400T. To the amazement of all, they were in and out in record time! But I digress... To get to the start of the race, he and copilot Bill, had to fly the plane from Seattle to London. Actually not a problem (other than the foaming of the runway at the Piper factory en-route for a wheels-up landing that never transpired). On the trip east, they had mostly calm air at high altitude. But shortly after the start in London they got into some turbulence and flew a lower altitude than wanted (optimum cruising altitude was 24-32k? (single engine prop plane and on oxygen). Dad was always a heavy smoker. About 50 miles from the start, his copilot Bill smelled gas. Dad wasn?t worried and lit another cigarette. In the next round of turbulence, Bill looked into the back seat (aux tank area) and saw a HUGE stream of fuel coming out of a vent line! Crazy as it made my dad, he didn?t smoke again on that leg - or at least until that tank was exhausted. Point being that at the lower altitude and with warmer temps, the fuel expand quite a bit! That?s why dad would always refuel the night before a cross-country trip and why there was often fuel dripping on the hanger floor in the morning before we headed out. Make no mistake... gasoline expands a lot! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:.28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > --Apple-Mail-3E6638B7-D692-4FF1-A2BE-3AA870E70F66 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot w= > rote: >> =20 >> =EF=BB=BFSmokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. >> Bill Dentinger >> =20 >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> =20 >>> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot net> wrote: >>> =20 >>> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked c= > orrect. Don=E2=80=99t recall if he got caught before he From sjanzen at me.com Fri Sep 27 05:35:00 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 07:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel expansion rate In-Reply-To: References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> Found this on line. Looks like if the gas started at 50 degrees it would expand from 7.2 gallons to 7.28 gallons at 70 degrees. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/volumetric-temperature-expansion-d_315.html Looks like a big fuel line would give more of an edge, or coming in early a quick stop for 10 seconds to add a gallon of fuel. No idea how accessible refueling is on a SRF. On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Funny this came up today: https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > From: Scott Janzen via Fot <> > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <> > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Chris Marx via Fot < <>fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" < <>fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: <>tr4racing at googlemail.com >> > > Or roll cage. > > > Von: Fot < <>fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott < <>sbarr at McCarty-Law.com >; <>fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: <>fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > Scott (B.) > > _______________________________________________ > <>fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > >> _______________________________________________ >> <>fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive? http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 07:20:27 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 08:20:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel expansion rate In-Reply-To: <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> Message-ID: I run a construction equipment dealership here in Austin and we put in a concrete parking lot this spring. We used to park the equipment on the dirt and never noticed fuel "growth" issues in the past, but it sure is obvious on concrete. We had a lot of 100 degree days this summer. We have a lot of large tanks approaching 100 gallon and with fuel filled at 75 degrees in the morning we had to drain off multiple gallons at 5 PM when it started spilling out the cap vents. Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 6:35 AM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Found this on line. Looks like if the gas started at 50 degrees it would > expand from 7.2 gallons to 7.28 gallons at 70 degrees. > > https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/volumetric-temperature-expansion-d_315.html > Looks like a big fuel line would give more of an edge, or coming in early > a quick stop for 10 seconds to add a gallon of fuel. No idea how > accessible refueling is on a SRF. > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked > correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess > he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in > their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. > It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > *From:* Scott Janzen via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > *To:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Chris Marx via Fot > *Date:* September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT > *To:* "fot at autox. team. net" > *Subject:* *Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel* > *Reply-To:* tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Or roll cage. > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Jerry Van Vlack > via Fot > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > *An:* Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your > frame. > > > *From:* Barr, Scott via Fot > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > > *Subject:* [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road > America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every > 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some > quick competition out there. > > > Scott (B.) > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story? from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv9529432044 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv9529432044 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv9529432044 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv9529432044 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9529432044 p.yiv9529432044MsoNormal, #yiv9529432044 li.yiv9529432044MsoNormal, #yiv9529432044 div.yiv9529432044MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9529432044 a:link, #yiv9529432044 span.yiv9529432044MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9529432044 .yiv9529432044MsoChpDefault {}#yiv9529432044 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9529432044 div.yiv9529432044WordSection1 {}#yiv9529432044 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:34:53 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:34:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> Message-ID: Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there's big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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URL: From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 27 08:39:34 2019 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> Message-ID: <706069307.348974.1569595174941@mail.yahoo.com> Smokey? I don't recall the MC GCR specifying fuel line diameter, but where ya gonna find those 2" to 1/4" adapters on a Friday? Gary Schneider On Friday, September 27, 2019, 9:35:01 AM CDT, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition.? People cheat where there?s big money at stake.?? We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? ? Scott (B.) ? From: Fot On Behalf Of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ;fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To:fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? 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URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:40:37 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:40:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <706069307.348974.1569595174941@mail.yahoo.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> <706069307.348974.1569595174941@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And the SRF rules are pretty clear that?s not permitted? From: Gary Schneider Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:40 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Smokey? I don't recall the MC GCR specifying fuel line diameter, but where ya gonna find those 2" to 1/4" adapters on a Friday? Gary Schneider On Friday, September 27, 2019, 9:35:01 AM CDT, Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there?s big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) From: Fot > On Behalf Of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:46:30 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:46:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> References: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Exactly what I had in mind!! The last enduro I ran at Road America was at the SCCA Divisional there a month or so ago and I used up most of my 7.2 gallons in 60 minutes. The ambient temperature was maybe 75 degrees F (so, fuel in jugs likely the same), so I wondered if I cooled it down to, say, 35 degrees F how much extra fuel (density) I could get into the cell. Based on the formulas sent to me by several helpful FOT?rs, the math says I could get a little extra fuel density, but not enough to make a difference. I?ll just have to soft-pedal it and hope I can do that and go faster than the other guys or that they don?t and have to make an extra stop. Also, I remember Kas? story about putting plastic water bottles into a fuel tank in the TR4s to meet the volume limit and later discovering that the plastic had failed and they actually had more volume during the race than anticipated. Good story. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Ron KRANTZ via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:39 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Actually what Smokey did was Drilled holes in the frame rails so tech knew he wasn't putting fuel there but they didn't look at what was inside the frame rail. He put 2 inch radiator hose in there for a fuel line. The rule was for fuel cell capacity but no rule for the fuel line size. When I ran SCCA nationals at Road America in the 70's I had a 6 gallon cell, the races were 15 laps plus parade lap and cool off lap (68 total miles). I was getting 10 miles/gallon and never ran out of fuel. How you ask... Saturday night we drained the cell, drank all the beer and put the gas cans in the cooler. Fueled the car and pushed it to grid Sunday morning. Before we would get to the grid the fuel cell was pissing out the overflow from the fuel expanding in less than 5 minutes. Ron Krantz ReK Racing #77 On September 26, 2019 at 6:16 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: Smokey Yunick Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. 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URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Sep 27 10:29:14 2019 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 16:29:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net>, Message-ID: In answer to this I would like to see the results of engine capacity pump downs for the big bore/Trans Am type cars. My ears don?t lie to me. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there?s big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Sep 26 14:50:21 2019 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:50:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 3:47 PM Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the > fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > > > *No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of > darkness.* > > > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > Hard to believe that that skunk is dead 27+ years. ;-) Irv Korey Corner worker at 1 and 3, Mid Ohio 1992 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Like I said, the stories of that event are endless. here's the one that relates to the photo. > During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track. It was a nice day. > Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day. One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track. > Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3. He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3. > Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car! Jeff was not amused. > > The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning. btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. > > Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! > > On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" > > So many memories! Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. > > I just registered for 2020. Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM > To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > > russ > > > > > Image-34 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 26 16:15:34 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:15:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: That was actually 2002 I believe, one year before the start of the Kastner Cup. From: Spitfire Racing via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 4:46 PM To: 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 20233 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 21:29:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 03:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. ?I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Mike Jackson via Fot??wrote: #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 Like I said, the stories of that event are endless.? here's the one that relates to the photo.During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track.? It was a nice day.Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day.? One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track.Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3.? He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3.Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car!? Jeff was not amused. The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning.? btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" So many memories!? Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle?? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. I just registered for 2020.? Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- _filtered #yiv6020273614 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 a:link, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 a:visited, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614BalloonTextChar {}#yiv6020273614 .yiv6020273614MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614WordSection1 {}#yiv6020273614 Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! ? 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Name: Untitled URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 21:29:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 03:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. ?I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Mike Jackson via Fot??wrote: #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 Like I said, the stories of that event are endless.? here's the one that relates to the photo.During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track.? It was a nice day.Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day.? One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track.Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3.? He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3.Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car!? Jeff was not amused. The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning.? btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" So many memories!? Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle?? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. I just registered for 2020.? Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- _filtered #yiv6020273614 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 a:link, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 a:visited, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614BalloonTextChar {}#yiv6020273614 .yiv6020273614MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614WordSection1 {}#yiv6020273614 Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! ? No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. ? I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? ? russ ? ? ? | Image-34 | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Sep 27 05:41:44 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <664302860.106306.1569584504550.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <664302860.106306.1569584504550@mail.yahoo.com> I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv5469210639 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv5469210639 p.yiv5469210639MsoNormal, #yiv5469210639 li.yiv5469210639MsoNormal, #yiv5469210639 div.yiv5469210639MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv5469210639 a:link, #yiv5469210639 span.yiv5469210639MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5469210639 .yiv5469210639MsoChpDefault {}#yiv5469210639 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv5469210639 div.yiv5469210639WordSection1 {}#yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DCP_8461.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 96276 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He was putting it out.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, September 27, 2019,?fubog1??wrote: I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv1699040232 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv1699040232 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv1699040232 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv1699040232 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv1699040232 p.yiv1699040232MsoNormal, #yiv1699040232 li.yiv1699040232MsoNormal, #yiv1699040232 div.yiv1699040232MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1699040232 a:link, #yiv1699040232 span.yiv1699040232MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1699040232 .yiv1699040232MsoChpDefault {}#yiv1699040232 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv1699040232 div.yiv1699040232WordSection1 {}#yiv1699040232 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Fri Sep 27 10:59:25 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 12:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70F8F5CC-463D-4F37-90F0-9CB2033F7114@aol.com> https://images.app.goo.gl/CLRWjZkmxKs17hwu5 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Like I said, the stories of that event are endless. here's the one that relates to the photo. > During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track. It was a nice day. > Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day. One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track. > Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3. He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3. > Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car! Jeff was not amused. > > The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning. btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. > > Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! > > On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" > > So many memories! Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. > > I just registered for 2020. Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM > To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > > > No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. > > > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > > > > russ > > > > > > > > > > Image-34 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Sep 27 11:40:39 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:40:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR Message-ID: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Sep 27 11:54:43 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:54:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Charley Message-ID: <21B0CC5D-B9AE-44E2-984E-17AB51755289@mhc-law.com> It was a Lotis 7 when I first met him... and before the catering bus. He was on the crew of the 1st US nuke submarine...really a nice guy even though he now drives that Jap thingy Sent from my iPhone From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 12:03:31 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:03:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <775EE478-994E-49C1-8992-408ECD62B9A5@gmail.com> FOT does not have a mascot. Maybe it could be: Skunk Alligator Bat ??? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 27, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. > Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU > > Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. > That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. > > And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back! > > And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM > To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... > Strange dream. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I just love that picture! > > I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM > To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 at att.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! > And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... > Glen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. > > I was there. I seen it. > > They waved, when they went by. > > Bill Dentinger. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. > > I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. But, here's my favorite.. > Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. > > Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" > > Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio > > Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo > Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Fri Sep 27 13:15:51 2019 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:15:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. Priceless Thanks for sharing... Vince On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back! And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... Strange dream. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I just love that picture! I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... Glen [Kates & gator & TR.jpg] -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo >; tr3a58dean >; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. I was there. I seen it. They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean >; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. But, here's my favorite.. Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. 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We were laughing so hard while we did it that it was difficult to line everything up in the light of the dim flashlight we had. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Spitfire Racing; 'Mike Jackson'; 'fubog1'; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio I also recall hearing Mike?s laughter when he saw the skunk the next morning, he really enjoyed the joke. From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:15 PM To: Spitfire Racing ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio That was actually 2002 I believe, one year before the start of the Kastner Cup. 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URL: From amrenno1 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 29 15:15:33 2019 From: amrenno1 at yahoo.com (Mark Wheatley) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 21:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 In-Reply-To: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1201064160.901911.1569791733093@mail.yahoo.com> It was great for me to be reminded with many of these recollections. I knew pieces and parts, was at Mid Ohio in 2002 just getting started so was fortunate enough to participate. But the best for me was the sharing of the conversation between Sandy and Betty.? Man if only she knew!!? I knew from the beginning Charlie was all in.? If he was you know Mike was as well.? I learned quickly of Charlies efforts and decided to maintain not change.? That has paid huge dividends for me and to this day I annually reap the benefits? and? always am thankful for his commitments, efforts and engineering. I have had Charlies car for over 20 years and I suspect it is not much different today than it was when I acquired it. That says it all for me. I will be at Mid Ohio, I am expecting? the same great fun described within this thread. Mark On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 2:35:24 PM EDT, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/amrenno1 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 29 21:03:30 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 21:03:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38ef02c9-d9a7-c673-33a3-8ffc603d40f7@bradakis.com> I believe I mentioned this place before, I may try to work it into my schedule. http://www.ageofsteamroundhouse.org/ mjb. From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 30 05:44:46 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup References: <1357015654.832691.1569843886304.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357015654.832691.1569843886304@mail.yahoo.com> Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup <!--#yiv2717376131 .yiv2717376131EmailQuote {margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#800000 2px solid;}-->Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We mighthave a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list.?Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ?Terry O?BeirneAustralia ????_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 30 05:45:51 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup <!--#yiv6896410682 .yiv6896410682EmailQuote {margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#800000 2px solid;}-->Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We mighthave a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list.?Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ?Terry O?BeirneAustralia ????_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 08:44:42 2019 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:44:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Since we are telling Charlie Kates stories: Bill Fornwalt and I were racing a TR4 in SVRA events in the mid 80s. Charlie and his friend Bill Clark approached me at the 1986 VTR national. Charlie wanted to go racing and did so with much enthusiasm. He became Ken Gillanders' eastern test bed. Any new hot racing part that Ken got Charlie got it first. If it was going to fail or cause damage to the car Ken made sure the driver (Charlie) was thousands of miles away and could only reach him by phone and not by the neck. Bruce On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:16 PM Vince G via Fot wrote: > Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. Priceless Thanks for > sharing... > > Vince > > On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: > > Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here > in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. > Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but > he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber > alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box > playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU > > Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some > 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. > That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which > we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. > > And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years > until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later > and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to > racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the > Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got > there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a > different Brit car but at least we got him back! > > And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about > whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about > it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've > seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my > pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM > To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof > inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... > Strange dream. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I just love that picture! > > I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the > Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all > take much too much explanation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM > To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, > fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 at att.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! > And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... > Glen > [image: Kates & gator & TR.jpg] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean < > tr3a58dean at gmail.com>; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. > > I was there. I seen it. > > They waved, when they went by. > > Bill Dentinger. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. > It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. > > I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. > But, here's my favorite.. > Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. > We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long > and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago > but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" > race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner > either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad > Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy > bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the > side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to > Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. > > Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more > like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a > flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a > weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" > > Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend > and thru the years. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio > > Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 > carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo > Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 09:03:40 2019 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:03:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so > I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in > finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. > Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a > bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car > but at least we got him back! > Yes, we did get him back. He drove up to see the car, and when I opened up the door to the garage, there were 3 - 8" long rubber alligators sitting on the bonnet, the truck lid, and the dashboard. He gave me a big smile and said something like "I see you've been talking to Mike Jackson". We had a nice visit, but as already mentioned, he ended up with another car. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 09:16:32 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> Bruce... All these names sure bring back memories. Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and would...talk your arm off.? Later on he started British Frame and Engine, a mail order source of TRIUMPH competition parts.? Another, lesser known, fact about Ken, was his love of MAGIC.? I believe there is some sort of MAGIC HALL of FAME in his home town, and Ken was a frequent visitor, and loved to show it off to visitors. ? Sadly, both he and his wife had serious health problems at the end, impacting dealing with British Frame and Engine. Ken was a Piece of Work.? I miss him. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Stutzman via Fot To: Vince G Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; fubog1 Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 7:45 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR Since we are telling Charlie Kates stories:Bill Fornwalt and I were racing a TR4 in SVRA events in the mid 80s.Charlie and his friend Bill Clark approached me at the 1986 VTR national.Charlie wanted to go racing and did so with much enthusiasm.He became Ken Gillanders' eastern test bed.Any new hot racing part that Ken got Charlie got it first.If it was going to fail or cause damage to the car Ken made sure the driver (Charlie) was thousands of miles away and could only reach him by phone and not by the neck.Bruce On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:16 PM Vince G via Fot wrote: Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. ? Priceless ? ?Thanks for sharing... Vince On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Yea, not a dream.? Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit.Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Cometshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by.That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away.? Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing"? He was interested? in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see.? Irv Corey's car as I recall.? Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car.? In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back!?? And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female.? But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female?? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here.? Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR...Strange dream.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson To: fubog1 Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I just love that picture! I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story? from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com,fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates.?Sent from Mail for Windows 10? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 30 14:12:52 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:12:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> On 9/30/19 9:16 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 > against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a > Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? > If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, > CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off. I called him some years ago with what I thought was a simple yes or no question.? I believe that call lasted over 45 minutes. mjb. From rjl at gt-classics.com Mon Sep 30 14:20:07 2019 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 16:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1569874807.imu796nu0o40k8gc@webmail.lumos.net> There was one time when my wife was picking me up from work, and Ken called me right before she was supposed to pick me up. Anyway, as I recall, the conversation lasted over an hour, and she was furious.? And then, Ken called the house (back when we still had a land line), and she understood... John ? On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:12:52 -0600, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 9/30/19 9:16 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 > against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a > Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? > If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, > CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off. I called him some years ago with what I thought was a simple yes or no question.? I believe that call lasted over 45 minutes. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com ? From tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Mon Sep 30 16:18:13 2019 From: tobeirne at skillpro.com.au (=?utf-8?B?VGVycnkgT+KAmUJlaXJuZQ==?=) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 22:18:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many thanks From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. see https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott 114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. Terry O?Beirne Australia _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 30 17:02:05 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 23:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1569468261.1091032.1569884525956@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! I am also looking forward to the trip next June. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: Many thanks ? From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup ? Terry; ? You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. ? While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. ? Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! ? Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. ? There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. ? If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. ? Hope you enjoy the trip! ? Phil Gott 114 TR4A ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. ? Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ? Terry O?Beirne Australia ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 19:56:34 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 01:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <2118731240.1806412.1569894994582.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2118731240.1806412.1569894994582@mail.yahoo.com> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, September 30, 2019,?TR3driver at ca.rr.com??wrote: Randall (et all)... Does anyone know what happened to Ken's TRIUMPH TR2 car?? It was very special. The way I understand it, he purchased it across the pond when he was stationed there in the service.? I think that is how he got connected with early TRIUMPH competition parts connections, like Daryll Uprichards (sp?) and Cox and Buckles.? It was a daily driver over there, and he shipped it home when he was discharged.? I don't remember it being a Long Door, but it was a low dash plate? number TR2, and he kept it in gorgeous condition.? It must have been tricked up some since TRIUMPH built it, because he drag raced it in 'handicapped drag races', and it was a champion.? It used to beat the early Corvettes.? It had four ten inch alfin aluminum brake drums, and these were by TRIUMPH (supposedly they only made fifty sets).? An Italian made 10" Alfin Drum was available "after market", and Old Blue has two of those in the rear. Can anyone remember Ken's close buddy (Art, I think...maybe not).? Super nice guy, but 180 degrees different than Ken.? Ken would talk a mile a minute, and his friend would just stand there and smile.? But they were great buddies. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Bill Dentinger' Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I believe it was more local than Orange county; specifically Temple City CA where he and Helen lived.? I know he served multiple terms on the city council, and at least one or two as mayor. I miss him too.? As is so often the case, I wish I had spent more time listening to his stories. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:17 AM > To: stutztr4 at gmail.com; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing > his TR2 against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? > And it was a Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic > about TRIUMPH than Ken.? If I remember correctly, he was a > local politician (Orange County, CA?), and like all > politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off.? Later on he started British Frame > and Engine, a mail order source of TRIUMPH competition parts. >? Another, lesser known, fact about Ken, was his love of > MAGIC.? I believe there is some sort of MAGIC HALL of FAME in > his home town, and Ken was a frequent visitor, and loved to > show it off to visitors.? > Sadly, both he and his wife had serious health problems at > the end, impacting dealing with British Frame and Engine. > > > Ken was a Piece of Work.? I miss him. > > Bill Dentinger > >? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still have not been to the rock and roll hall of fame. I agree that the Amish towns and countryside are worth a tour. Beautiful rolling hills and great curvy, scenic roads. Rent a sporty car and keep a close lookout for horse drawn buggies. There are many Amish communities between Mid-Ohio and the Akron, Canton, Ohio area. Cleveland has huge boating activity being right on the "North Coast" of the U.S. Put-in-Bay vintage races are held nearby too, but later in the season. People and race cars are ferried to an island where the races are held. Looking forward, Dave H. > On September 30, 2019 at 4:02 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, > > I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. > > I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... > > There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! > > I am also looking forward to the trip next June. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: > > > > Many thanks > > > > From: vfracing at aol.com > Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 > To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup > > > > Terry; > > > > You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. > > > > While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. see https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. > > > > Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, Been there twice and would go again! > > > > Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. > > > > There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. > > > > If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. > > > > Hope you enjoy the trip! > > > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm > Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup > > Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. > > > > Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. > > > > Terry O?Beirne > > Australia > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 21:19:58 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 03:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup References: <138485044.1845966.1569899998047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <138485044.1845966.1569899998047@mail.yahoo.com> Columbus is perhaps most famous for OHIO STATE (the Buckeyes). I remember one time speaking at OHIO STATE ( about Masonry). ?I went into the men's room to powder my nose, and I'll never forget the sign on the wall. ?It said, "PLEASE FLUSH TWICE! IT'S A LONG WAS TO MICHIGAN STATE." Now that's FUNNY! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, September 30, 2019,?DAVE HOGYE via Fot??wrote: Good call, Bob. I grew up just east of Cleveland, but have been in California for over 30 years. ?Cleveland has a lot to offer, but Columbus is a nice city too and nearby Mid-Ohio. ?I still have not been to the rock and roll hall of fame. ?I agree that the Amish towns and countryside are worth a tour. ?Beautiful rolling hills and great curvy, scenic roads. ?Rent a sporty car and keep a close lookout for horse drawn buggies. ?There are many Amish communities between Mid-Ohio and the Akron, Canton, Ohio area. ?Cleveland has huge boating activity being right on the "North Coast" of the U.S. ?Put-in-Bay vintage races are held nearby too, but later in the season. ?People and race cars are ferried to an island where the races are held.? Looking forward, Dave H. On September 30, 2019 at 4:02 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? Hi, I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! I am also looking forward to the trip next June. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: Many thanks ? From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup ? Terry; ? You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. ? While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. ? Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! ? Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. ? There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. ? If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. ? Hope you enjoy the trip! ? Phil Gott 114 TR4A ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. ? Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ? 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing via Fot To: 'Jerry Van Vlack' ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 9:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv1773909071 #yiv1773909071 -- _filtered #yiv1773909071 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv1773909071 #yiv1773909071 p.yiv1773909071MsoNormal, #yiv1773909071 li.yiv1773909071MsoNormal, #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;} #yiv1773909071 a:link, #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1773909071 a:visited, #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1773909071 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;} #yiv1773909071 p.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate, #yiv1773909071 li.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate, #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071BalloonTextChar {} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071EmailStyle19 {color:windowtext;} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071EmailStyle21 {color:#1F497D;} #yiv1773909071 .yiv1773909071MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071WordSection1 {} #yiv1773909071 Truth be told most of the artistic imagery was performed by my wife Cheryl and Sue Kahler(Spitfire Susie) while I only added the stripe and x?d out eyes. We were laughing so hard while we did it that it was difficult to line everything up in the light of the dim flashlight we had. ?Russ MooreSpitfire #49 ?From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Spitfire Racing; 'Mike Jackson'; 'fubog1'; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio ?I also recall hearing Mike?s laughter when he saw the skunk the next morning, he really enjoyed the joke.?From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:15 PMTo: Spitfire Racing ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio?That was actually 2002 I believe, one year before the start of the Kastner Cup. ?From: Spitfire Racing via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 4:46 PMTo: 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio?Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics!?No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness.?I leave Mike to tell the tale??????????????russ??? | Image-34 | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One thing I?ve never seen on a 6 cylinder engine is the word Special embossed on the block. It?s next to the drain plug on the right side.? Anyone seen that before??? " ThanksMike H_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 466451 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 19:27:15 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 21:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 engine with "special" on the block? In-Reply-To: <1409135559.1584683.1567465131941@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1409135559.1584683.1567465131941@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I nothing from FOT and I just looked at the original post on the Triumph forum, no new news there either. I guess it really is special. thanks mike On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 6:58 PM Brian Dennis wrote: > Did anyone come up with meaning of ?special?? > > On Saturday, August 24, 2019, 9:29:16 PM EDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > This came up the other day on a Triumph forum. Stumping everyone there. > Any ideas what SPECIAL on the casting means ? Not my car but interested in > what it means. > > "Engine number is KD7632E > > So my son?s gt6 is a mk2 w a mk1 engine in it. One thing I?ve never seen > on a 6 cylinder engine is the word Special embossed on the block. It?s next > to the drain plug on the right side. > > Anyone seen that before? " > > [image: image.png] > > Thanks > Mike H > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 466451 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timmmurphh at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:56 2019 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 14:02:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival Message-ID: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> Is anyone else going to ELVF this year? Tim & Ryan Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slaterptrs at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 14:34:22 2019 From: slaterptrs at gmail.com (Tim Slater) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 16:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival In-Reply-To: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> References: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, Planning on being at ELVF. Left rig in Michigan after Grattan but had to cancel Watkins Glen to return to West Palm Beach, Florida. Fortunately we just dodged the worst of Hurricane Dorian . Thoughts and prayers to those in the Bahamas. Tim Slater Spitfire #17 Phone: 561-820-0021 On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 3:07 PM timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: > Is anyone else going to ELVF this year? > > > > Tim & Ryan Murphy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/slaterptrs at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 07:58:36 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 08:58:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kas_Kastner=E2=80=99s_Sebring_TR4?= Message-ID: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> FOT, Entry to Goodwood this month. Being shipped to Mid-Ohio for SVRA?s KCup June 2020. (Won the Kastner Cup at Topeka, Kansas) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_2866.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 127591 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- How can you NOT be there at Mid-Ohio next June? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From stutztr4 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 08:11:02 2019 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:11:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kas_Kastner=E2=80=99s_Sebring_TR4?= In-Reply-To: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> References: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> Message-ID: WPTA is all in. Bruce On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 10:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > Entry to Goodwood this month. > Being shipped to Mid-Ohio for SVRA?s KCup June 2020. > (Won the Kastner Cup at Topeka, Kansas) > > > How can you NOT be there at Mid-Ohio next June? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 4 15:44:00 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information Message-ID: To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. Hope to see you here! From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 4 19:27:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 01:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information References: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> Henry... Are you racing, and if so which car? Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, September 4, 2019,?yellow04 via Fot??wrote: To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. Hope to see you here! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's the first left after the tunnel. > > Hope to see you here! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From paulricco at att.net Thu Sep 5 07:08:35 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:08:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen TR Paddock Area Message-ID: FOT, SVRA does have a paddock area designated for the Triumphs. It is behind the main grand stand right by the start finish line. It is a paved area, in a good location and in close proximity to the grid/meeting areas. They are really making an effort to try to make this a nice weekend. They reserved enough space for every TR registered for the event If you are not into the track yet, please let the people guiding you through the paddock know that you have a TR and they will guide you the right spot. Rick Parent has said that if you are in here already and want to move to the TR area, just let SVRA staff know and you can still go there for the weekend. I assure you that they really do want all the TR owners to have a good weekend here and they are trying very hard. We got here on Wednesday morning and it was very busy. They still got us to the right area within 15 minutes of pulling in. That included registration. It was the easiest entry we have ever had and they were slammed busy. Hope everyone has a good weekend here. Paul Ricco Blue TR4 #4 From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Sep 5 08:58:44 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 14:58:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 for sale Message-ID: Friends !!! 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Wife's serious illness forces my retirement. $26,500 sacrifice price includes excellent spares, most new in boxes. Contact me off-list at 570-441-5646 or email for complete specs spiwakd at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 5 15:21:42 2019 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 21:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR 4 race car for sale In-Reply-To: References: <2108908703.2888042.1567710589553.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2108908703.2888042.1567710589553@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1572577329.2938840.1567718502316@mail.yahoo.com> Probably not, keeping two British race cars running is why I let it go and I'm not any younger since then. But Chip contacted me when he saw it several years ago, unfortunately a few hours after it was sold. Gary On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 2:59:45 PM CDT, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Time to buy it back, Gary?? ? Scott (B.) ? From: Fot On Behalf Of Dave Spiwak via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 2:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 race car for sale ? The Chip Bond/Jack Wheeler/Gary Schneider TR4 is for sale with zero-hour engine, trans and new Speedsters. Recent conversion to left-hand drive and ready to race. This car ran many national races including the SCCA Runoffs. Described in Grassroots Motorsports as The Ultimate TR4. Wife's serious illness forces my retirement. $26,500 sacrifice price includes excellent spares, most new in boxes. Contact me off-list at 570-441-5646 or email for complete specs spiwakd at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Thu Sep 5 18:19:19 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:19:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WGlen Message-ID: <99D6429A-F381-4368-AED6-321AD5B477E1@mhc-law.com> Who should walk up to our pit other than Chris Marks...what surprise! He is to drive a TR8 from Canada...Neat! Sent from my iPhone From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 5 18:31:26 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] WGlen References: <1759764600.3022285.1567729886320.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1759764600.3022285.1567729886320@mail.yahoo.com> Ach du Lieber!? Der bin Chris Marx. ?Nicht?Marks. Wilhelm Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 5, 2019,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: Who should walk up to our pit other than Chris Marks...what surprise! He is to drive a TR8 from Canada...Neat! Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Fri Sep 6 04:23:22 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 06:23:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information In-Reply-To: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96E82D30-EF0F-48BF-89AF-6BAA61AE85F3@aol.com> For those possibly coming in late. There is some room in the original Triumph Paddock area still. We are next to the Corvette Coral and right behind the main straight grandstands with easy access to those great seats! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Henry... > > Are you racing, and if so which car? > > Bill > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA > event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a > bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow > Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. > > Hope to see you here! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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POA $ Please contact me directly Regards Tony Garmey 206 612 1782_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Sep 7 19:27:43 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 01:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Any results from Watkins Glen? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Sep 7 19:48:18 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2019 21:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> The TRiumph race is tomorrow at about 1:30 pm eastern. For my race today I finished 15th with a best time of about 2:25.8. Results sheet isn?t handy. One of the gt-6?s was in the tire wall at the inside of the next to last turn at the end. Other than the triumph race tomorrow we?re in multiple groups, so it?s hard to keep track of, and the results aren?t in mylaps / speed hive yet. Regards, Tony Drews Quoting Bill Dentinger via Fot : > Any results from Watkins Glen? > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 23:20:38 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 22:20:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Any results from Watkins Glen? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Sep 8 04:32:24 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 06:32:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F38242A11A549C49125D51CC81BDFDD@VlackTK121647> Last report at the end of yesterday was the Huffaker TR8 was towed off track and no where to be seen. Also Christian Marx in the Canadian TR8 set some good lap times so if that race ever materializes it'll be a good one for sure. This is the biggest field I've ever seen at WG, there are race cars everywhere as well as the infield and outside the track is packed with spectators. Camping and Motorhomes as far as you can see. Really fantastic support all around. The Triumph activities on Friday were a lot of fun. For $145.00 you got a 60+ mile Rally, a brunch at the track, 3 laps of the course, 2 1/2 laps of the old course, preferred paring in Lafayette Park close into the Friday night town activities, 2 tickets to the track and a bottle of wine. Approx 95 street cars participated with a nice mix of all Triumph models. Weather is wonderful. Full day of racing ahead. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 1:20 AM To: Bill Dentinger ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > Any results from Watkins Glen? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From vfracing at aol.com Sun Sep 8 05:10:35 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 07:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other than the triumph race tomorrow we?re in multiple groups, so it?s hard to keep track of, and the results aren?t in mylaps / speed hive yet. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > Quoting Bill Dentinger via Fot : > >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Sep 8 05:12:35 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 07:12:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3322059 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 07:06:24 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 09:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 09:07:23 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 08:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke again... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 09:29:06 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 11:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> 3 TR8s running , Huffaker, Bulkowski, and Bennett Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke again... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: >> >> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot >> Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM >> To: Brad Eells >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>> >>> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>>> >>>> Bill Dentinger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >>> >>> >> From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 10:16:26 2019 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 09:16:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> Message-ID: I got a message that Chris was 11 seconds faster than Mueller . ELEVEN SECONDS!!!! *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:29 AM MACDONALD via Fot wrote: > 3 TR8s running , Huffaker, Bulkowski, and Bennett > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > > > That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke > again... > > > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald > wrote: > >> > >> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott > via Fot > >> Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > >> To: Brad Eells > >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > >>> > >>> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > >>> > >>> Brad Eells > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Any results from Watkins Glen? > >>>> > >>>> Bill Dentinger > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> fot at autox.team.net > >>>> > >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>>> > >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > >>> > >>> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 12:04:49 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 14:04:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Finish of the Triumph race -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: finish.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 692877 bytes Desc: not available URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 12:07:07 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 14:07:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000d01d56670$3b399f20$b1acdd60$@rogers.com> Results https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: September 8, 2019 2:05 PM To: 'Paul MacDonald'; 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: RE: [Fot] Watkins Glen Finish of the Triumph race -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Sep 8 12:44:36 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2019 14:44:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20190908144436.Horde.RDl_4d2IQSiTMB08zyjrwiB@tonydrews.com> If I did it right, attached is a full set of results. Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Vroom, Vroom, Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2000816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Sep 8 13:03:21 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 19:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000d01d56670$3b399f20$b1acdd60$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> <000d01d56670$3b399f20$b1acdd60$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1653279048.4048343.1567969401786@mail.yahoo.com> KUDOS to all of the racers! ? Particularly Henry Frye. ? I'll bet SVRA TECH had him Urine tested after the race.? But Henry's just a good wrench and driver. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald via Fot To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Brad Eells' ; 'Fot' Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2019 11:12 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Results? https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: September 8, 2019 2:05 PM To: 'Paul MacDonald'; 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: RE: [Fot] Watkins Glen Finish of the Triumph race -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Sep 8 13:32:35 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 19:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <1964332569.4039560.1567971155615.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1964332569.4039560.1567971155615@mail.yahoo.com> All I got was a nice picture of the garage. But not to worry. I have a copy of SVRA?s result sheet. You done good, Tony. ?So did Henry. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 8, 2019,?Tony Drews via Fot??wrote: If I did it right, attached is a full set of results. Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 14:54:07 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:54:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Here?s the direct link. Looks like only 23 starters. Congrats John Mueller! https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 9 05:27:52 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] All-Triumph at SVRA Vintage GP References: <2958801.2884366.1568028472583.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2958801.2884366.1568028472583@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, If this wasn't posted yet, the results for the Watkins Glen Vintage GP can be found at: Race | | | | | | | | | | | Race | | | It was an epic weekend for sure. Met some new friends and had a good ol' time on the track. l8r,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Sep 9 05:51:38 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 07:51:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen. We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics. There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me. But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you. Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Sep 9 07:28:20 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 09:28:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190909092820.Horde.jmr8FyHFp71nMdHqo5thfSM@tonydrews.com> Chris, it was great seeing you again at Watkins Glen. You did a fantastic job, learned the track quickly. I was sad to see your car stopped on track during the race. The flowers for Lauren were a nice gesture. Best regards, Tony Drews Quoting Christian Marx via Fot : > I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at > Watkins Glen. > > We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. > Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and > crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He > has some knowledge about race tactics. > > There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and > myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both > drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me > couldn't expect her turning into me. > > But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. > > > We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting > from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out > that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow > him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the > wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could > manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not > interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the > great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. > > > It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and > to hang out with you. > > Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. > > Cheers > Chris From rick.parent at att.net Mon Sep 9 07:44:30 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. All the best!Rick On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot wrote: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen.? We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars.?Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics.? There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me.? But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning.? We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way.? After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you.? Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's.? Cheers?Chris?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 08:43:19 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN Message-ID: FOT I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance It is based on: Lap times and finishing position. Age of Triumph Age of Driver The Winner is: JOHN HASTY. TR3. Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jsukey at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:07:35 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) Message-ID: Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting closer! I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if anyone has found a good setup that works with points. My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation. Lucas 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" box, gapped to .015" The problem: I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the point gap to close up to zero. At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast resistor). With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points seem to last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple sessions. I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different condensers all with similar results. The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 9 09:08:26 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:08:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4701acaa-5ea5-9b4b-656b-cb5d3763ed64@bradakis.com> On 9/9/19 8:43 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. > > Nice!? Love how the age of both the car and the driver play into it. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 9 09:12:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... I'm not much good at math (although I do like to multiply), but I am not surprised John Hasty made it to the top of your formula.? He's a Jolly Good Fellow, and so say all of us. Bill Dentinger PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions that will produce those results."? I always think of that whenever I hear the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN FOT I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance It is based on: Lap times and finishing position. Age of Triumph Age of Driver The Winner is: JOHN HASTY.? TR3.? Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:20:07 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:20:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> References: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Hasty was running 2:27s and finished 8th. It didn?t take much computer run time to arrive at the results. In another 20 years this will be Henry Frye. What a group! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 9, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Bill Dentinger wrote: > > Joe... > > I'm not much good at math (although I do like to multiply), but I am not surprised John Hasty made it to the top of your formula. He's a Jolly Good Fellow, and so say all of us. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions that will produce those results." I always think of that whenever I hear the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am > Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN > > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterkbulkowski at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:34:45 2019 From: peterkbulkowski at gmail.com (Peter Bulkowski) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:34:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> References: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations to the #11 car Curt this was a great weekend Also congratulations to Henry Fry, Bob Lang and Tony Drew's you are also winners. Chris you came to the Glen and you did it first time out 2.11 time ,best time 2 minutes and 8.6 seconds Wow. This was a great weekend for FOT your are all the best. Harry you are also a real Fot guy Gute reise nach Deutschland. I am back at my Igloo in Canada and will fix the car see you at Mid Ohio Peter On Mon., Sep. 9, 2019, 09:45 Rick Parent via Fot, wrote: > It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you > are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. > > All the best! > Rick > > On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at > Watkins Glen. > > We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. > Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and > crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He > has some knowledge about race tactics. > > There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and > myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both > drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me > couldn't expect her turning into me. > > But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. > > > We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting > from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out > that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow > him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the > wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could > manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not > interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the > great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. > > > It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and > to hang out with you. > > Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peterkbulkowski at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bulkowski via Fot To: Rick Parent Cc: 'Friends Of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 8:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Congratulations to the #11 car Curt this was a great weekend?Also congratulations to Henry Fry,Bob Lang and Tony Drew's you are also winners.?Chris you came to the Glen and you did it first time out 2.11 time ,best time? 2 minutes and 8.6 secondsWow.This was a great weekend for FOTyour are all the best.?Harry you are also a real Fot guyGute reise nach Deutschland.I am back at my Igloo in Canada and will fix the car see you at Mid Ohio Peter On Mon., Sep. 9, 2019, 09:45 Rick Parent via Fot, wrote: It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. All the best!Rick On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot wrote: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen.? We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars.?Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics.? There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me.? But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning.? We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way.? After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you.? Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's.? Cheers?Chris?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peterkbulkowski at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He's a Jolly Good > Fellow, and so say all of us. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You > tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions > that will produce those results." I always think of that whenever I hear > the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am > Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN > > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to > arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! 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Lucas > 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. > NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. > Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green > "lucas" box, gapped to .015" > > The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing > the point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at > Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil > (no ballast resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to > last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. > > With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long > as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a > couple sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two > different condensers all with similar results. > > The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind > the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the > first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Tue Sep 10 06:39:42 2019 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:39:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Close Ratio Gear Set TR4 Message-ID: I need to order a close ratio gear set, last one I had was from Rimmer Brothers, but it is on backorder. Is there any other sources for this?? Thanks, Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 09:04:35 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! 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Bob Kramer On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:05 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! > > WGVGP Triumph Race > > WGVGP Triumph Race > > 2019 Watkins Glen Grand Prix all-Triumph feature race > > > > > C ya, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 10 09:38:20 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature In-Reply-To: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1895915929.5048266.1568129900907@mail.yahoo.com> Bob... Great video.? Thanks for sharing.? I'll bet Henry will love it too, if he has not seen it. You made some gutsy efforts towards a pass, but Henry held you off.? Great racing. Reminded me that I always preferred chasing someone, rather than holding someone off (which drove me crazy). Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 8:05 am Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature Hi, Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! WGVGP Triumph Race | | | | | | | | | | | WGVGP Triumph Race 2019 Watkins Glen Grand Prix all-Triumph feature race | | | C ya,Bob Lang _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 10 11:46:13 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen with SVRA In-Reply-To: References: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3819b341634e8db32b08c1ae8cf6ff64@tr4racer.com> A great weekend was had by all, a special thanks to Bob Lang for some really close, fun racing! I got tossed in Group 8, and was under-tired by a long shot, but had some good clean runs with cars I don't usually get to race with. Then of course was the All Triumphs race, for me it was everything we do this for. I must admit this was the first event I have run with SVRA in 10 years. Back then, I had experienced firsthand many of the issues that everybody seems to rant about with SVRA, so it was with some trepidation that I accepted the $100 offer to run what was one of the greatest festival events in the east. I'm glad I did, the event was everything I could have hoped for. I camp at the track in my RV, and was never approached for a camping fee. Nobody rode around playing gestapo security guard. It was just a nice weekend in the paddock at The Glen. Plus got to run the race car in town and on the original race course! Great fun. Racers have told me the SVRA tech process is tough, and they are a pain in the ass. But I chose to play in their sandbox, so I need to play by their rules. I know my SFI belts were older than 2 years so I put a new set of belts. I know my HANS device is older than 5 years so I am prepared to deal with the re-certification process. (I actually got a one-time pass on that, I'll deal with it next year at Mid-Ohio!) The drivers safety gear inspection was thorough but quite fair. The only complaints I heard were from people who were running in gear that was so old it didn't have the FIA/SFI labels, or was in the eyes of the inspector unfit to run because it's falling apart, has holes, is oil-soaked, etc. I found it hard to sympathize with guys who are driving in gear that was well beyond it's sell-by date. Bottom line, the SVRA tech process is simple, bring a well prepped car with good drivers gear and you will breeze through it like I did. The sessions were short, but by Saturday the schedule was pretty close and we were getting the allotted track time. I could complain about lost time from track oiling earlier in the weekend, but let's not go there! Apologies to Rick Parent, I didn't find the time to introduce myself. In my mind we are all systems go for Mid-Ohio in 2020 for the Kastner Cup!!! From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 10 12:00:14 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:00:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature In-Reply-To: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <691eb34bd7898753a18c867026960159@tr4racer.com> We have all heard the adage "The best defense is a good offense" but it seems I have it backwards... I couldn't find 4th gear on the start, so it took a few laps to run down Bob. The second half of my video is almost as boring as the first half of Bobs! But those attempted passes on Turn 1 are very kool, Bob!!! On 2019-09-10 11:04, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 20:24:39 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] RARE cards References: <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736@mail.yahoo.com> I have been able to acquire a rare set of cards, one even autographed. ? Sadly, not a full set. ? Of note though, are two father/son team cards, and the elusive/exclusive autographed Tony Drews card. ?Can anyone name them all? ?Which am I missing for a complete set? ?Haha. See attached photo. Can anyone find the Easter egg on the Curt Johnson card? Nice racing with the group! ?The Glen was a blast, and thank you all for the advice along the way!! 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Is there any other sources for this?? ? ? Thanks, Mike ? 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car ? Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 ? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 11 06:19:58 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) References: <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504@mail.yahoo.com> I agree, a lot of electrons going through there, and the red plastic rubbing block on the modern points has its limit.Points are fine on a 4-cylinder engine, if all is kept in order, but a 6-cylinder at those revs is pretty much at the limit; it has to do with coil saturation time, the amount of time that the points are closed.There's a limit to how fast the points can be made to open and close, just like a cam/valve action, and the modern optical & magnetic units are instantaneous and allow max saturation time for a good spark.A 6-cylinder @ those revs would likely benefit from a modern unit.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tobin via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) Jason, sounds like you have too much current going through the points. Maybe try an external ballast resistor. (Ask me how I learned this!). Why not go Pertronix or other pointless distributors? KISS. But always carry a spare! Cheers, Bill On 9/9/2019 11:07 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting closer! I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if anyone has found a good setup that works with points. My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation.?? Lucas 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" box, gapped to .015" The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different condensers all with similar results. The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! 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The Glen was a blast, and thank you all for > the advice along the way!! > > Thanks, > Dave Gott > > > [image: Inline image] > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yet one more racing problem solved by throwing $ at it. :) Jason On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:20 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > I agree, a lot of electrons going through there, and the red plastic > rubbing block on the modern points has its limit. > Points are fine on a 4-cylinder engine, if all is kept in order, but a > 6-cylinder at those revs is pretty much at the limit; it has to do with > coil saturation time, the amount of time that the points are closed. > There's a limit to how fast the points can be made to open and close, just > like a cam/valve action, and the modern optical & magnetic units are > instantaneous and allow max saturation time for a good spark. > A 6-cylinder @ those revs would likely benefit from a modern unit. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Tobin via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 1:18 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) > > Jason, sounds like you have too much current going through the points. > Maybe try an external ballast resistor. (Ask me how I learned this!). > Why not go Pertronix or other pointless distributors? KISS. But always > carry a spare! > Cheers, Bill > On 9/9/2019 11:07 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting > closer! > > I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and > buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if > anyone has found a good setup that works with points. > > My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 > rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation.?? Lucas 25D6 > dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. > NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. > Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" > box, gapped to .015" > > The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the > point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced > Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast > resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to last, but the car > won't rev past 5000 rpm. > > With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I > don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple > sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different > condensers all with similar results. > > The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the > armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two > laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Sep 13 11:07:20 2019 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 12:29:43 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:29:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago. Josh, his son, is on Pole. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot wrote: > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 13:42:23 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:42:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood In-Reply-To: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> References: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Took the time to watch it, awesome! Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago. > Josh, his son, is on Pole. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot > wrote: > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Sep 13 14:31:56 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:31:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood In-Reply-To: References: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <463BA1A0-AD24-40EA-8D61-9BB29981BD07@btinternet.com> We had a great day?this is the first time the car has run since the 2016 Silverstone Classic. Driver and car performed brilliantly. Now for the race tomorrow ? > On 13 Sep 2019, at 20:42, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Took the time to watch it, awesome! > Bob Kramer > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago. Josh, his son, is on Pole. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot > wrote: > >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------ End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 13 15:31:50 2019 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------ End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Sep 13 16:58:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 22:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood References: <2089545468.1090307.1568415516676.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2089545468.1090307.1568415516676@mail.yahoo.com> Keith... What time is the race tomorrow (UK time)? Good Luck! ?Go FAST! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, September 13, 2019,?Keith Files via Fot??wrote: We had a great day?this is the first time the car has run since the 2016 Silverstone Classic. Driver and car performed brilliantly. Now for the race tomorrow ? On 13 Sep 2019, at 20:42, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Took the time to watch it, awesome! Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago.? Josh, his son, is on Pole. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot wrote: There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year.?https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/?Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 17:39:49 2019 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's > already at the top times. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net > wrote: > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Subject: [Fot] Goodwood > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot/attachments/20190913/c70b3c27/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Sep 13 18:01:10 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 00:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 References: <1364904067.1119783.1568419270206.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364904067.1119783.1568419270206@mail.yahoo.com> I hope to watch the race. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, September 13, 2019,?Kas Kastner via Fot??wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Sep 13 20:44:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 04:44:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <000101d56aa6$4b04f870$e10ee950$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, Harry and me is back in Germany. We need to say that we had great fun to join the Triumph racing crowd for the Watkins Glen Historic GP. We had so much fun with everyone and felt very welcome by everyone. I was very pleased that Peter?s car was doing well. Easy to drive and quick at the same time. Although some parts need upgrades as they broke over the weekend but Peter already started to work on this. The track itself is what I like most?fast corners, esses and long straights for going fast. A really great track to race on. Hope to see you all soon. Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sat Sep 14 02:37:43 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:37:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >> wrote: >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >> From: "Charly Mitchel" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >> ************************************* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 09:40:18 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA COTA Message-ID: Anybody going to the vintage national championships in Austin in October? VTR Nationals starts the next day outside Austin. I?m going to VTR and debating going early to be a spectator at COTA. Not taking the race car, this trip is going be the street TR6 but I?ll fly our flag and see if I can claim an Autocross FTD for the FoT. Dusty Sent from my iPhone From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sat Sep 14 06:30:56 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 13:30:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >> >> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >>> wrote: >>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >>> From: "Charly Mitchel" >>> To: >>> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> >>> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >>> >>> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >>> >>> Charly Mitchel >>> TR6 #44 >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >>> ************************************* >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 08:27:16 2019 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 14:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises.? Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files wrote: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 09:44:57 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Maybe I can get there next time. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. > > But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. > > Keith > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: >> >> Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >>> >>> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >>> Never be beaten by equipment. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >>>> wrote: >>>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >>>> From: "Charly Mitchel" >>>> To: >>>> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>>> >>>> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >>>> >>>> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >>>> >>>> Charly Mitchel >>>> TR6 #44 >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Fot mailing list >>>> Fot at autox.team.net >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >>>> ************************************* >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 17:09:27 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:09:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fidenza 1500 flywheel with a 1296 engine Message-ID: I trashed my flywheel at the Glen last week. While I'm probably going to go with a Tilton set up over the winter, I needed something in a hurry for a race in two weeks so I ordered an aluminium 1500 Fidenza flywheel from Ted S. I'm going to use it with a 3 rail tranny, MK4, 10 spline 7 1/4, disk. The crankshaft is already drilled out to accept 7/16" bolts. I bolted the parts together today and took some measurements, there's a ~ 0.037 difference in thickness, from the crankshaft surface to the fingers on the pressure plate between the old setup with a stock pressure plate and the new one which I'm sure will not be a problem but are there any unknowns that I won't find out until I have everything bolted together and in the car? Stock MK1 Girling master and slave. I used a Fidenza flywheel way in the past, not this model, and I remember I had to take some material out where it bolts to the crank because I couldn't get enough clutch travel to fully disengage. Anyone using this setup now and have and tips or warnings? It's so much easier to make changes before it goes together. thanks mike h -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Sep 15 17:14:37 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:14:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen in-car video - All-Triumph race Message-ID: <5b1d3add-cdff-9d24-a119-e08cef1125f9@tonydrews.com> Enjoy... https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc Regards, Tony D From spitlist at cox.net Sun Sep 15 19:49:46 2019 From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fidenza 1500 flywheel with a 1296 engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <346553737.182682.1568598586997@myemail.cox.net> I used that flywheel on my own small Journal 1296 with a 1500 clutch. It worked out fine once I chamfered the center hole. I was getting interference and rubbing before I did that. It wasn't obvious at first but about the 4th time I pulled the gearbox, the evidence marks showed up. Joe > On September 15, 2019 at 7:09 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > I trashed my flywheel at the Glen last week. While I'm probably going to go with a Tilton set up over the winter, I needed something in a hurry for a race in two weeks so I ordered an aluminium 1500 Fidenza flywheel from Ted S. I'm going to use it with a 3 rail tranny, MK4, 10 spline 7 1/4, disk. The crankshaft is already drilled out to accept 7/16" bolts. > I bolted the parts together today and took some measurements, there's a ~ 0.037 difference in thickness, from the crankshaft surface to the fingers on the pressure plate between the old setup with a stock pressure plate and the new one which I'm sure will not be a problem but are there any unknowns that I won't find out until I have everything bolted together and in the car? Stock MK1 Girling master and slave. > > I used a Fidenza flywheel way in the past, not this model, and I remember I had to take some material out where it bolts to the crank because I couldn't get enough clutch travel to fully disengage. Anyone using this setup now and have and tips or warnings? It's so much easier to make changes before it goes together. > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 21:38:57 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 22:07:38 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:07:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 06:41:37 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: I just replaced an 11 year old Optima battery that I thought was on it's way out but it turned out to be the alternator. I used to have lead acid batteries but they seemed to die after a year or so, I suspect the vibration was causing internal damage. The new Optima battery was ~$175, delivered, on line, $60 more than an AGM, glass mat, battery of similar capacity, that I could get locally. My good luck with the old one was a big influence in the decision. The "worn" out one is going in a street spit I own next spring. mike On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 12:07 AM Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. > Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little > tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it > total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain > limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people > don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even > the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a > simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the > battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well > buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to > manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable > charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery > entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the > battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you > overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal > BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. > > Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and > generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on > too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen > mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles > the battery. > > Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe > cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an > AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by > Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole > wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the > flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 07:07:00 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:07:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. > On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: > > If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. > > Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. > > Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > >> On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: >> >> Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? >> OR >> Should I just go get another wetcell type? >> >> Thoughts and considerations? >> >> Outta juice here in NorCal >> Nick >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 07:49:38 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 13:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that.? On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging.? Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery.? Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special.? On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 16 08:02:57 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle?Tender?chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. ?Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 16 08:02:57 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle?Tender?chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. ?Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 08:16:08 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:16:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, I've had good luck with the Deka Powersports Sealed AGM batteries on anything with an alternator. No battery box required as it's "spillproof". I use the ETX20L size that's about 15 lbs. Has ample cranking for my 12.5:1 6 cylinder, plenty of reserve for extended cranking if the car is flooded. No special charging requirements, I use a battery tender or battery minder to maintain them over the winter. Usually in stock at the chain auto parts stores for under $100. There are lighter batteries out there, but it's a great compromise for me. Not too expensive, lighter weight than a full sized battery, does not require any special care on my part (it just works). http://www.eastpennmanufacturing.com/wp-content/uploads/Deka-Sports-Power-AGM-Flyer-0278.pdf https://www.amazon.com/Deka-Power-Sports-ETX20L-Battery/dp/B0026H3CB4 Jason On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:41 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by > Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole > wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the > flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Sep 16 08:17:07 2019 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:17:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> , <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?ve had a dry cell battery failure caused by overcharging from an OE DENSO alternator when the internal regulator pack obviously failed. This happened very very quickly and because we were running digital tripmeters and clocks in the car at the time we got early warning as they are very voltage sensitive. The battery took about 5 minutes to gas up and would have popped has I not switched off and disconnected it. All in the dark and rain as usual on a rally and in the middle of nowhere. Dry cells are not trouble free so unless you need the weight saving I?d suggest some careful thought on using them. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Sep 2019, at 14:49, ralph hansen via Fot > wrote: I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=w2Hy5tRKsfpWaM6zXifLBy3Sr3jhYSiyxuSAHFcQQaw%3D&reserved=0 Donate: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=P%2BfdQkN0d8ZkbYZrZi0INPmNUwX9Zya%2FNLtJzDJo8qk%3D&reserved=0 Archive: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=ibfqTSPfySdoJ2gj%2BhAjepdju0SGXNlYAWLlO3L5RDk%3D&reserved=0 https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=oN1lINF9uLw%2FPOe%2F4kbDabFavoGYB64Vj%2BhXgDbbjHk%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe/Manage: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ftony.sheach%40live.co.uk&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=BD8zuJD3%2BNeY3fRbjX5tRBKkKeMLzK7PYErwB00lPbE%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 08:32:16 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:32:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Standard lead acid batteries don?t like vibration much. Fortunately our Triumphs are vibration-free. And yes, they don?t live long if they are routinely discharged to less than 50% of ?capacity?. People get remarkably heated about decisions they?ve made about one chemistry or another. I shared some of my experiments on an Airstream forum and it?s a good thing it was online or I might have been lynched. I?m building a Tesla-based battery pack for Fritz, my remarkably stupid GMC Motor home project. Very spooky chemistry unless it?s very well controlled, and then it?s awesome. Charge to 4.15 volts per cell and it?s fine, charge to 4.2V and it catches fire and explodes. So yeah, don?t do that. Don?t drop matches into fuel tanks either. No relevance to racing TR?s though. > On Sep 16, 2019, at 7:02 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle Tender chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. Our problems went away. > > We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Sep 16 09:00:39 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:00:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ditto to Bill?s advice. I have had that same experience with my Spec Racer Ford battery. I had tons of trouble with the battery going dead between weekends and that went away as soon as I started keeping it on a battery tender between events. These days, I race the SRF so damn much (eleven weekends and counting) I don?t think the battery would notice if I didn?t keep it on a tender (but I still do?). Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:03 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Battery ? In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle Tender chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 09:07:42 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:07:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? Message-ID: Hello all, I?ve got to wonder if I?m the Optima record holder here? Got 19 years out of one! It was dated 1998 and I grudgingly it go in 2017 with a old Chrysler 300 hotrod I was selling. The day I was to deliver the Chrysler, it?s 6 year old Interstate gave up and I put in the Optima - and it happily cranked the high compression 440. The only ?failure? I had with it was the K-Cup in Topeka. I had it mounted horizontally in the trunk of the TR and the positive terminal rattled off and cost me the race. That was the day Kas taught me to pin the terminals to the posts with sheet metal screws. Heavy but rock solid reliable. Your mileage may vary... Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Sep 16 10:19:16 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:19:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, here's my 2 cents worth. KISS; I like to drive the thing, not work on it constantly, although sometimes.......... I run a standard Autolite battery, in the trunk, enclosed. Also a GM Delco alternator, one that can be had for $55 in almost any parts store. Bolts on with minimum fuss. Yet to have a problem with either. OK, I'm a mid to back of pack kind of guy. If I wanted to save 40 pounds, I'd knock it off my body (only 20 so far this year). I'm having fun and have gotten a total of 1 trophy/medal in my racing career. But having fun and not financing the farm to do it. Had a couple great races at PittRace last weekend; beat the Porsche 3 out of 4, the Volvo, don't laugh, it's a great car, although the tech guy said it looks like a hearse. Got the MG B after probably the most fun and close race of my life. Sideways a couple times. The B driver and I had a great time and hooted about it after the race. The way I feel it's supposed to be. But I digress. Cheers, Bill On 9/16/2019 11:07 AM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Hello all, > I???ve got to wonder if I???m the Optima record holder here? Got 19 years out of one! It was dated 1998 and I grudgingly it go in 2017 with a old Chrysler 300 hotrod I was selling. > The day I was to deliver the Chrysler, it???s 6 year old Interstate gave up and I put in the Optima - and it happily cranked the high compression 440. The only ???failure??? I had with it was the K-Cup in Topeka. I had it mounted horizontally in the trunk of the TR and the positive terminal rattled off and cost me the race. That was the day Kas taught me to pin the terminals to the posts with sheet metal screws. > Heavy but rock solid reliable. Your mileage may vary... > Greg ???Lunker??? Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Sep 16 10:38:02 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 18:38:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001d56cad$1c9de6f0$55d9b4d0$@gmail.com> On my TR4 I use a Hawker Odyssey 16Ah battery. Lead gelly. Works fine. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 16. September 2019 05:39 An: FOT List Betreff: [Fot] Battery ? Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ken Suhre On Sunday, September 15, 2019, 07:00:52 PM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Enjoy... https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc Regards, Tony D _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Sep 16 20:45:26 2019 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 02:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> I use a lithium. ?Weighs four lbs. ?no alternator. ?12 cell. ?No problem ?past two years. ?Charges easily with their charger. ?Voltage at start of 20 min?race 13.4 and at end 13.2. ?Will last all weekend. ?Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Mon Sep 16 22:53:59 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:53:59 +0300 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?=5BGRRC_Exclusive=5D_Revival_2019_=E2=80=93_Ford?= =?utf-8?q?water_Trophy_full_race?= Message-ID: Dear all, For this who did not get to see the race first time round?.enjoy. Kind regards, Keith > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/grrc-exclusive-revival-2019--fordwater-trophy-full-race/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 16 23:50:58 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:50:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B0721E3-8592-4E27-83CB-C9DBB1B3ABDA@aol.com> We ?discovered? that there are (at least) two sizes of starter motors available, 1.4 kW and 2.0 kW. The former from TRF and Moss, the latter from Ted Schumacher. With a small battery the 2 kW motor starts the car much better, spinning it faster and, I think, ultimately with less energy drain from the battery. Being a Yankee, I use a 450 cca lawn tractor battery. I would need a booster battery to start the car when cold using the 1.4 kW motor, but with the 2kW motor it cranks right up without a booster, all else being the same. Bottom line, when choosing a battery, consider the whole system. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > I use a lithium. Weighs four lbs. no alternator. 12 cell. No problem past two years. Charges easily with their charger. Voltage at start of 20 min race 13.4 and at end 13.2. Will last all weekend. Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Sep 17 01:08:34 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <274455132.12511716.1568704114626.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> When your car is already at the minimum weight, I think there is little point in discarding a lead battery in favour of an Optima. In our championship though, the minimum weight for a 4 cyl TR is only 851kgs/1850lbs, so when I bought my TR4A from Bob Kramer, removing the heavy lead battery in the trunk, together with the 1cm thick cable to the front of the car, for an Optima type battery of 6kgs near the starter motor, was the easiest 15kgs saving. To get at the actual 860 kgs was a work of weeks. Most weight is saved by the polyester body parts. My door hinges are 0.8kgs lighter biy reduring the surface and the thickness and grinding the bolts. Recently, a friend of mine showed me a box (package) of a Li ion battery for a motorbike to feel the weight : I really thought the box was empty but sure enough the battery was in it! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Ponostyle" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 16 september 2019 15:49:38 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Battery ? I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. BQ_BEGIN On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Sep 17 07:47:51 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 15:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] My first Road race! In-Reply-To: <7D934140-4F8D-484F-923B-A29CE7C46FEC@gmail.com> References: <7D934140-4F8D-484F-923B-A29CE7C46FEC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <508457197.15451708.1568728071139.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Really truly great!! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 17 september 2019 13:54:55 Onderwerp: [Fot] My first Road race! Hello everybody. I just wanted to share the video from my first ever road race in my spitfire! It was an amazing learning experience and even though I had a crummy start, I managed to end up passing every one in my fp class at one point, finishing second, and recovering from a scary moment safely out of turn 9 at Willow Springs International Raceway. It was one of the greatest weekends of my life and I absolutely can?t wait to do it again! [ https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y | https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y ] Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Tue Sep 17 09:57:50 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire Rack and tire dates References: <8ECFEE7F-3AAF-40F6-AAD4-7B0F0F800AC8@catalystre.com> Message-ID: I don?t know how many of you buy tires from Tire Rack but I just had an interesting experience I thought I would share. I recently ordered Toyo Proxes R888Rs for the GT6. I always have the same conversation with the sales person - "what date tires are you shipping, I don?t want last years? tires?. They are always clear that they can?t guarantee the date, but the guy assured me that they had not shipped anything older than 2019 since March of this year, so I thought I was good. They were delivered to my home two days before I left for the track, I didn?t look at them and took them to the track to be mounted. Then I looked. Ugh. A 2016, a 2018 and two 2019s. Though the tires performed fine, I was not a happy camper. I called Tire Rack, and after two calls, got a credit for the 2016 and more importantly, figured out how to avoid this in the future. They will not offer this unless you specifically ask, but if you tell them that your order should have instructions to the warehouse to only ship a date code newer than X (pick a date), and to cancel the order if they can?t do that, they will do so. Tire Rack has good prices, will shave the tires for $20 each, and I don?t have anyone convenient to me who offers what I need, so I buy race tires and at least one set of passenger car tires from TR every year. However, absent specific instructions, apparently their policy is that any tire manufactured in the last four years is good. They claim sometimes they get the older tires from the manufacturer, not that they have been sitting on them. Don?t know if I believe that. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 10:12:09 2019 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:12:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My first Road race! In-Reply-To: <508457197.15451708.1568728071139.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <7D934140-4F8D-484F-923B-A29CE7C46FEC@gmail.com> <508457197.15451708.1568728071139.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <74D5B777-BB18-471F-A0CF-C24372D51D7D@gmail.com> Hi Jon, Nicely done! Great to meet you this weekend. Chuck > On Sep 17, 2019, at 6:47 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Really truly great!! > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 17 september 2019 13:54:55 > Onderwerp: [Fot] My first Road race! > > Hello everybody. I just wanted to share the video from my first ever road race in my spitfire! It was an amazing learning experience and even though I had a crummy start, I managed to end up passing every one in my fp class at one point, finishing second, and recovering from a scary moment safely out of turn 9 at Willow Springs International Raceway. It was one of the greatest weekends of my life and I absolutely can?t wait to do it again! > https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Sep 17 10:44:37 2019 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] My first Road race! References: <2040170356.2651118.1568738677643.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2040170356.2651118.1568738677643@mail.yahoo.com> John? ?Good drive. ?! ?Glad you came out. Not everyone gets Kas signature on car at their first race!!!!! Well done. ? Mordy MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Tuesday, September 17, 2019,?Jonathan Wright via Fot??wrote: Hello everybody. I just wanted to share the video from my first ever road race in my spitfire! It was an amazing learning experience and even though I had a crummy start, I managed to end up passing every one in my fp class at one point, finishing second, and recovering from a scary moment safely out of turn 9 at Willow Springs International Raceway. It was one of the greatest weekends of my life and I absolutely can?t wait to do it again!?https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 18:27:20 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:27:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA schedule for 2020 Message-ID: SVRA has released their racing schedule for 2020. Mid-Ohio event is June 26-28 and Triumph is the Marque plus Kastner Cup. Mark your calendar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Tue Sep 17 23:41:00 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 08:41:00 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> Hi Shawn, It was an exciting race at the start. The Mini Marcos was so small Josh could not see him in his mirror but knew he was there so went wide to avoid contact. We were giving away 350 & 400kgs to the Lotus and Mini Marcos with only a little extra power, 10 & 50bhp respectively. Both those cars were well driven and deserved their podiums. Btw, at the prize giving the Duke of Richmond described the TR as being exquisite ?? If we get invited back we will run a little less weight, we were 30kgs over our FIA weight limit, a bit more power and we might even go testing to get the right gear ratios setup; a 4.3:1 axle was not quite right for Goodwood. Anyhow, we are all still smiling happily over the result so thank you to everybody for your support, it has been fantastic. One more thing, the Duke sent a camera crew over who were with us on the Friday and Saturday, seems like there will be a feature video on the Goodwood website and social media coming soon. Thanks all, Keith Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 17:27, Shawn Frank wrote: > > A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! > > Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises. > > Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files > wrote: > Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. > > But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. > > Keith > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: >> > > Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >> >> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >> wrote: >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >> From: "Charly Mitchel" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >> ************************************* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 18 07:13:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 13:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <666758248.3102233.1568812427351@mail.yahoo.com> Very IMPRESSIVE. Not often the Chosen Ones describe a TRIUMPH as exquisite. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Keith Files via Fot To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 17, 2019 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 Hi Shawn,? It was an exciting race at the start. The Mini Marcos was so small Josh could not see him in his mirror but knew he was there so went wide to avoid contact. We were giving away 350 & 400kgs to the Lotus and Mini Marcos with only a little extra power, 10 & 50bhp respectively. Both those cars were well driven and deserved their podiums. Btw, at the prize giving the Duke of Richmond described the TR as being exquisite ?? If we get invited back we will run a little less weight, we were 30kgs over our FIA weight limit, a bit more power and we might even go testing to get the right gear ratios setup; a 4.3:1 axle was not quite right for Goodwood.? Anyhow, we are all still smiling happily over the result so thank you to everybody for your support, it has been fantastic. One more thing, the Duke sent a camera crew over who were with us on the Friday and Saturday, seems like there will be a feature video on the Goodwood website and social media coming soon.? Thanks all, Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 17:27, Shawn Frank wrote: A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises.? Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files wrote: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. 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Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 19:51:20 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 01:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery again References: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> Wow. I never knew there was so much toconsider about batteries! I'm runnin one of Ted's starters, sowill assume (yeah yeah, I know) that I have one of the stronger stylestarters. Also runnin a generator (the local club is a stickler fororiginality), so need a batt that will accept a charging system sothe lithium option is moot. And thanks to Russ for the link to theever-opiniated ?Scotty? and his rant about Optimas...another onerides the bus. So, I think I will try the Deka AGMbatt that Jason suggests, or the Odessey batt that Chris likes. Does anyone have any further thots oneither of these choices? Lemme no! Gotta ask Ponostyle if his Triumphactually runs as all mine vibrate more than a hookers friend once Iturn my key! ...Vibrationless...hmmm good vibrations?? ? ? ? ? Nick in NorCal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Sep 20 23:20:55 2019 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:20:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery again In-Reply-To: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> References: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Also > runnin a generator (the local club is a stickler for > originality), so need a batt that will accept a charging > system so the lithium option is moot. I haven't really been paying attention, but this caught my eye. Can someone explain to me why a lithium starting battery can't be charged by a DC generator? The original RB106 control box used on TR2-4 probably doesn't control voltage & current well enough, but you can buy a solid state regulator that goes in the same housing, which should have no trouble meeting Li requirements without roasting the generator. And I would think the RB310 control box used on early Spitfire, GT6, etc would need no more than a bit of tweaking to work fine. -- Randall From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Sep 21 14:47:46 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 15:47:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2020 Message-ID: <3E88C017-07D3-41B6-B227-15ADFB9C44E3@gmail.com> Richard Taylor was with us in 2002. Will he return in 2020? Seems right. His race car is also his tow vehicle. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <13b883c7-117f-87c8-ba0d-4091118fb196@tonydrews.com> Watkins Glen Saturday "normal group" Feature: https://youtu.be/ysUeUTvx3m4 Sunday Triumph (previously sent this): https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc (racing starts at about the 9:00 minute mark) Sunday "normal group" Feature - probably the most semi-close racing of the Watkins videos: https://youtu.be/J0BImjKhI1A Grattan in August - 5 races, finished in each of the top 5 positions including win in the rain Sunday: Saturday race 1 (probably the best action) 5th place: https://youtu.be/oPlWchBHRqs Saturday race 2 (2nd best of the Grattan videos) 4th place: https://youtu.be/zqcPK-7narA Saturday race 3 (OK, fewer cars to run with) 2nd place: https://youtu.be/zqcPK-7narA Sunday feature race - started raining during pace lap - overall win, but not much action and running very slow due to horrible grip in the wet: https://youtu.be/7WTe8Nz8U_c Sunday "All Comer's race" - combined our groups after most of the competitors left because of the earlier rain - 3rd place finish: https://youtu.be/_Qf9PmYBMFw Regards, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Sep 24 06:58:15 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1968696313.61148665.1569329895346.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It's tempting : a Lithium battery, discarding the alternator and an empty fire extinguisher : then I would be at the minimum weight of 851kgs! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 17 september 2019 04:45:26 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Battery ? I use a lithium. Weighs four lbs. no alternator. 12 cell. No problem past two years. Charges easily with their charger. Voltage at start of 20 min race 13.4 and at end 13.2. Will last all weekend. Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. MDunst [ http://headgasket.com/ | Headgasket.com ] [ tel:626.358.1616 | 626.358.1616 ] Fax [ tel:626.628.3777 | 626.628.3777 ] Triple R Munitions, Inc [ tel:626.201.9471 | 626.201.9471 ] T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 13:38:54 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers mates Brian #26A Blue/White GT6 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free Test Day* at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) SVRA 1312 Regency Court Southlake, TX 76092 Preferences | Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 13:44:14 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:44:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ mike On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did > for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if > you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty > tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > > *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race > season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with > a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining > 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free > Test Day* at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > > We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the > 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days > before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This > offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. > Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free > Test Day and cancellation waiver. > > *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy > Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* > > *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, > renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on > your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete > your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. > Renew License > > New License (Quick Sign-Up) > > > > SVRA > 1312 Regency Court > Southlake, TX 76092 > Preferences > > | Unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 14:24:48 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing to our attention. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> Hello Brian, >> Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! >> To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. >> This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. 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They have Volvo as the featured marque > for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: > >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did >> for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if >> you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty >> tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> >> *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race >> season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity >> with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our >> remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free >> Test Day* at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> >> We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the >> 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days >> before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This >> offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. >> Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free >> Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> >> *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy >> Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* >> >> *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, >> renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on >> your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ mike On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers mates Brian #26A Blue/White GT6 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano > [http://i1.cmail19.com/ei/t/33/6CD/F96/045722/csfinal/Image1-9900000000079e3c.jpg] Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 14:41:41 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:41:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule. Now a word about the Kastner Cup Budget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FOT: The Free Entry by SVRA is a bit of marketing genius by Tony Parella. However, please plan on paying a ?FOT Entry Fee?. To be determined. We will also be accepting donations. This will pay for: Kas Kastner?s Expenses Hospitality Tent(s) Permanent Trophy plus Performance Trophies. There may be some refreshments in the planning. The budget will be a moving target until we firm up all of the planning. The good news is that we have a crack team of volunteers. FOT has a way of jumping in where they are needed. THE RETURN TO MID-OHIO...... Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > Hello Brian, > Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! > To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. > If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. > This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. > Renew License > New License (Quick Sign-Up) > > > > SVRA > 1312 Regency Court > Southlake, TX 76092 > Preferences | Unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 14:45:36 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, You can still plan on what we discussed. But to avoid anxiety, you can wait until someone from SVRA weighs in. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Terry O?Beirne wrote: > > I was ready to book several international flights so we can attend the Kastner Cup, but I?ll put it on hold till you guys can confirm dates > > Post up their response ASAP please > > Terry > (Australia) > > From: Fot On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot > Sent: 25 September 2019 06:32 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > > The date is wrong as well, looks like this years' info under the 2020 header. BTW, did anyone get their $100 back from the Glen yet? > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:24 PM Joe Alexander wrote: > I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing > to our attention. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > Hello Brian, > Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! > To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. > If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. > This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. > Renew License > New License (Quick Sign-Up) > > > > SVRA > 1312 Regency Court > Southlake, TX 76092 > Preferences | Unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, September 24, 2019,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringingto our attention. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 24 17:58:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits References: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... SVRA is a for profit business, and VOLVO is an active auto manufacturer. ?It is likely they throw some significant dollars to SVRA for having VOLVO featured. ? That's not?an option with TRIUMPH.? It's just business. Now get out there and beat those VOLVOs. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, September 24, 2019,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringingto our attention. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 18:21:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 19:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> References: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Volvo is NOT the FEATURED MARQUE. Trust me. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Amici... > > SVRA is a for profit business, and VOLVO is an active auto manufacturer. It is likely they throw some significant dollars to SVRA for having VOLVO featured. > > That's not an option with TRIUMPH. > > It's just business. > > Now get out there and beat those VOLVOs. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing > to our attention. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. >> >> https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ >> >> mike >> >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> Hello Brian, >> Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! >> To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. >> This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. >> Renew License >> New License (Quick Sign-Up) >> >> >> >> SVRA >> 1312 Regency Court >> Southlake, TX 76092 >> Preferences | Unsubscribe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 18:49:10 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:49:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? thanks mike h On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT > > I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > > Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > > Please review to see if I missed anything. > > > https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 19:01:32 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think they understand the importance of Triumphs at Mid-Ohio. It?s just too early yet. Our Media Maven will be chasing their Media Maven, quite soon. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: > > The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. > Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? > > thanks > mike h > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Sep 24 20:20:20 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1248D14A-C140-4B76-B251-2FDAD1B137D4@yahoo.com> Mike, I once drove The Grand Prize of America track on Hutchison Island in Savannah... in an SUV. I was in the area and just cruising around looking for it when all of a sudden the road I was on got curvy and had red and white stripped roll curbs. My wife and young child went for an unexpected ride as I put the family truckster through it?s paces. Neat little track with good paving set in a little forest, would be a blast in our lite small engined cars. I?ll be going back some day with the Spitfire. Dusty Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. > Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? > > thanks > mike h > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *(818) 350-6222 Office* Spoke to him last week about a clutch set up. mike h On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 7:26 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > We have inquiries regarding the rental of cars for the Kastner Cup. > > Need contact information. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested. This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive. Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Sep 25 12:09:14 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:09:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] More on 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, I am not aware of any power being available at the track except in the garages. Second, if you prefer to be paddocked in the grass please still answer my previous questions and also let me know you prefer the grass. I am "hoping" to reserve a section of grass paddock adjoining the blacktop area also. Not guarantees though. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of marty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface. Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested. This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive. Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Sep 25 14:06:06 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:06:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Paddock Message-ID: Don't get all worked up on the parking of the open trailers. They did tell me that they would need to be parked in the grass but that is part of doing the up front details. Once we have some space requirements figured out and I can dangle we have (X) numbers of cars coming I'm thinking there is some flexibility there. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Sep 25 14:16:48 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:16:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] M Ohio Message-ID: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> For those with simulators or searching track maps, if SVRA sticks to it?s past, they will be using the bus stop between turn 1 & the key hole.... Sent from my iPhone From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 15:21:10 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:21:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] M Ohio In-Reply-To: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> References: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: >From the Historic Racing Group's website where they have a large collection of track maps in general: http://historicracinggroup.com/reference-material.php In particular- Mid Ohio: http://historicracinggroup.com/resources/Track_Maps/Mid-Ohio.pdf mike h On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 4:17 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > For those with simulators or searching track maps, if SVRA sticks to it?s > past, they will be using the bus stop between turn 1 & the key hole.... > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She was surprised and said she would look into Brian On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 6:53 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > Did any TR drivers who raced and finished the Triumph reunion race at the > SVRA Watkins Glen earlier this month receive their $100 reimbursement as > promised?? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Sep 26 05:05:19 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 07:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? Thanks Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT > > I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > > Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > > Please review to see if I missed anything. > > > https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 05:44:32 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 06:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> Message-ID: <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Yes! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: > > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? > Thanks > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 06:07:00 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Message-ID: SVRA has on-line registration available for the 2020 SVRA Mid-Ohio event. Easy to do but you need to set up your account with driver and vehicle information. Credit card payment for the $100. On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:44 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Yes! > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: > > > > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the > weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? > > Thanks > > Phil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> FOT > >> > >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > >> > >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > >> > >> Please review to see if I missed anything. > >> > >> > >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell: 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Sep 26 07:03:27 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 09:03:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B24418C-8CE1-4D7C-B9C6-BD01F7B99621@aol.com> Thanks! See you June 25 to 28th!!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:07 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > SVRA has on-line registration available for the 2020 SVRA Mid-Ohio event. Easy to do but you need to set up your account with driver and vehicle information. Credit card payment for the $100. > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:44 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Yes! >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: >> > >> > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? >> > Thanks >> > Phil >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> FOT >> >> >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> 4505 Donald Dr >> >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> >> The-vintage-racer.com >> >> Gasketinnovations.com >> >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Thu Sep 26 08:59:15 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:59:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Message-ID: <1411108879.2876.1569509956034@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 10:08:50 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! References: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! <!--#yiv5277580306 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv5277580306 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? Thanks,Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 10:11:26 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Message-ID: <5d8ce335.1c69fb81.b2c36.6fa2@mx.google.com> Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. 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In-Reply-To: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <371131637.8985323.1569516411053@mail.yahoo.com> I remember it well, it took me 3 days to haul the TR-6 up there with the old Land Rover.It was a GREAT weekend!Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; trmarty ; fot Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? Thanks,Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 <!--#yiv1159809611 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio <!-- #yiv1159809611 _filtered #yiv1159809611 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1159809611 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv1159809611 #yiv1159809611 p.yiv1159809611MsoNormal, #yiv1159809611 li.yiv1159809611MsoNormal, #yiv1159809611 div.yiv1159809611MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv1159809611 a:link, #yiv1159809611 span.yiv1159809611MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1159809611 .yiv1159809611MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv1159809611 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv1159809611 div.yiv1159809611WordSection1 {} -->Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 13:07:32 2019 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 238 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <594550940.7272378.1569524852070@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry for the misinformation on the Kastner Cup 2020 dates. Igot a reply back from someone answer the info@ emails to the track and they told me the incorrect dates for the Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix, so inevitably I posted those dates in error. My apologies... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"'65 Triumph TR4A IRS "Johnny" On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 01:00:05 PM CDT, wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! (fubog1) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:46:51 +0000 (UTC) From: fubog1 To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, trmarty at hotmail.com, ??? fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Message-ID: <371131637.8985323.1569516411053 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I remember it well, it took me 3 days to haul the TR-6 up there with the old Land Rover.It was a GREAT weekend!Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; trmarty ; fot Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? Thanks,Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Thu Sep 26 15:58:37 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 21:58:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Too much cold can have a very negative effect on the fuel bladder and flexible lines. And even a small amount can ice up the carb. https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/mc-mc.nsf/eng/lm00129.html You might, might be able to get an extra 1-2% with a 15-30? change, but don't go too far, especially if it is humid. On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 9:51 PM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road > America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every > 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some > quick competition out there. > > > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 26 16:12:18 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 16:16:35 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 17:16:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> Smokey Yunick Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Sep 26 16:19:47 2019 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 17:19:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <1623600053.9956.1569534358155@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1623600053.9956.1569534358155@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 4:46 PM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: So many memories! Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made? > Remember them? I still have 2 of them. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Sep 26 16:22:18 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 00:22:18 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> Or roll cage. Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) _____ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Sep 26 17:10:14 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Chris Marx via Fot > Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT > To: "fot at autox. team. net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Or roll cage. > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 26 17:38:33 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:38:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Message-ID: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. JVV From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Marx via Fot Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Or roll cage. Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. 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URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Sep 26 17:41:36 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 23:41:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: 7.2 gallons max. And they have the same problem, but I want to be one step ahead of them in solving it :-) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:22:19 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel They may have the same issue as you and have to soft pedal too. Is there a size limit on fuel cells that says 7.2 gallons max, or do some of the fast guys have larger capacity? If all the same develop a strategy especially if you can do a fuel stop. I recall and I think it was Mark Donahue in Trans Am that did a fuel stop much earlier than the rest of the racers and ran away at the end when others needed to stop for fuel. His book I think the title was something like ?An Unfair Advantage? detailed how he out thought his competitors in many details. If you have never read the book do so, it?s worth the read on history of a great racer. He didn?t put fuel in his frame however. Left us far too early. JVV From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:14 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: RE: [Fot] Cold Fuel If only I could do that by Saturday? From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:12 PM To: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 26 18:04:33 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:04:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever.? There were many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already mentioned fragrant incident.? I wonder if I still have the well worn and tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house?? I know I've told this tale before, but.... Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to the pregrid.? All the others made their way to the bleachers there at the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already.? Everybody was yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap.? It got REAL quiet all of a sudden in the stands.? Well, not counting the roar of the engines rolling by on the track.? I don't think there was a dry eye out there, it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. It was a great beginning. Writing that just now brought up another memory.? As some of you may recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while.? It was one of the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other on-line options opened up as the network grew.? But a bit over a year after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included portions of this email from well before 2002. http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." mjb. ps:? It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet ghosts.? See you all at Mid Ohio. From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 18:19:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 00:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Jerry Van Vlack via Fot??wrote: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see.JVV?From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PMTo: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel?Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Marx via Fot Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com #yiv6248867048 v\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 o\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 w\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048shape {}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 -- _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 11 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 a:link, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlink {color:#0563c1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 a:visited, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlinkfollowed {color:#954f72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal0 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:black;position:relative;letter-spacing:0pt;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage21 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048msochpdefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048wordsection1 {}#yiv6248867048 Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 18:19:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 00:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Jerry Van Vlack via Fot??wrote: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see.JVV?From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PMTo: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel?Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Marx via Fot Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com #yiv6248867048 v\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 o\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 w\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048shape {}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 -- _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 11 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 a:link, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlink {color:#0563c1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 a:visited, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlinkfollowed {color:#954f72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal0 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:black;position:relative;letter-spacing:0pt;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage21 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048msochpdefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048wordsection1 {}#yiv6248867048 Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 18:30:48 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? Dean Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 8:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever.? There were many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already mentioned fragrant incident.? I wonder if I still have the well worn and tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house?? I know I've told this tale before, but.... Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to the pregrid.? All the others made their way to the bleachers there at the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already.? Everybody was yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap.? It got REAL quiet all of a sudden in the stands.? Well, not counting the roar of the engines rolling by on the track.? I don't think there was a dry eye out there, it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. It was a great beginning. Writing that just now brought up another memory.? As some of you may recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while.? It was one of the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other on-line options opened up as the network grew.? But a bit over a year after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included portions of this email from well before 2002. http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." mjb. ps:? It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet ghosts.? See you all at Mid Ohio. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 26 18:42:22 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:42:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9402ea1d-b783-7523-d911-440d3929a5fa@bradakis.com> On 9/26/19 6:30 PM, Dean wrote: > > Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? > > Dean > Past my bedtime.? Getting confused, my mistake.? Need to take a nap before I go to work in a few hours. mjb. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Thu Sep 26 18:59:20 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:59:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio Message-ID: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Thu Sep 26 19:57:37 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <072168B9-A9F1-437C-9902-9272CF06A7F5@artwithcars.com> In 1992 there was oil in the esses and we all spun out ~Steve > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Ah, time fades all into one. you could easily be right! I dont think Jeff was racing at that level in '92. > Sometimes I cant figure out if I'm 40 or 80 yrs old. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 8:30 PM > To: Mark J Bradakis , "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? > > Dean > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 8:04 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio > > That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever. There were > many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already > mentioned fragrant incident. I wonder if I still have the well worn and > tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house? I know I've told this > tale before, but.... > > Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to > the pregrid. All the others made their way to the bleachers there at > the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH > energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already. Everybody was > yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of > gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap. It got REAL quiet all > of a sudden in the stands. Well, not counting the roar of the engines > rolling by on the track. I don't think there was a dry eye out there, > it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a > dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs > roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. > > It was a great beginning. > > Writing that just now brought up another memory. As some of you may > recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while. It was one of > the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other > on-line options opened up as the network grew. But a bit over a year > after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included > portions of this email from well before 2002. > > http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html > > "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to > us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars > absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." > > mjb. > > ps: It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet > ghosts. 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Sep 26 20:26:37 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:26:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Or roll cage. > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Jerry Van > Vlack via Fot > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > *An:* Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your > frame. > > *From:*Barr, Scott via Fot > > *Sent:*Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > *To:*fot at autox.team.net > > *Subject:*[Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at > Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 > gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but > there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 20:28:22 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:28:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Funny this came up today: https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > >> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >> >> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. >> JVV >> >> From: Scott Janzen via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel >> >> Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Chris Marx via Fot >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> > > Or roll cage. > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > > Scott (B.) > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Thu Sep 26 20:38:58 2019 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (Ron KRANTZ) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> References: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> Actually what Smokey did was Drilled holes in the frame rails so tech knew he wasn't putting fuel there but they didn't look at what was inside the frame rail. He put 2 inch radiator hose in there for a fuel line. The rule was for fuel cell capacity but no rule for the fuel line size. When I ran SCCA nationals at Road America in the 70's I had a 6 gallon cell, the races were 15 laps plus parade lap and cool off lap (68 total miles). I was getting 10 miles/gallon and never ran out of fuel. How you ask... Saturday night we drained the cell, drank all the beer and put the gas cans in the cooler. Fueled the car and pushed it to grid Sunday morning. Before we would get to the grid the fuel cell was pissing out the overflow from the fuel expanding in less than 5 minutes. Ron Krantz ReK Racing #77 > On September 26, 2019 at 6:16 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > Smokey Yunick > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613http://The-vintage-racer.com > > http://Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > > > > > > Scott (B.) > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Thu Sep 26 18:06:30 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:06:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Message-ID: Smokey had some good tricks up his sleeve. I think one was enough fuel line to hold about a gallon of fuel that was wound back and forth in the roll cage. My favorite was, after they put in restrictor plates, he used the biggest studs he could to hold the carbs down, hollowed them out, filled them with wax, painted them black, and rolled the car over to Tech. They took the carb off, put on the restrictor plate, and sealed it up. Of course once it came up to temp, he had about 3/4? more airflow into the engine than everyone else...Said it took several races before they caught on. > On Sep 26, 2019, at 19:38, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > From: Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Chris Marx via Fot >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> >> Or roll cage. >> >> >> >> Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot >> Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 >> An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> >> >> >> Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. >> >> >> >> From: Barr, Scott via Fot >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM >> >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> >> Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> >> >> >> So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. >> >> >> >> Scott (B.) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 22:25:32 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Message-ID: <796A70F2-B67B-4E61-AFEA-A78E2852D7C9@yahoo.com> Don?t have much to contribute these days so I?m mostly silent here. But every once in awhile a thread sparks something I?m compelled to reply to. In 1971 my father did the London to Victoria (BC Canada) air race. The stranglehold (for all) was going to be refueling in Greenland (maybe Iceland - I?m not sure). There were only two fuel pumps and all the planes would be coming in at about the same time and out as fast as possible. With the aux tank in the back seat, about 180 gallons were required. Months in advance, Dad contacted a guy with a pick-up and sent him a waterbed. Pick-up guy met him at the end of the airstrip, and (hand) pumped a full load into the Comanche 400T. To the amazement of all, they were in and out in record time! But I digress... To get to the start of the race, he and copilot Bill, had to fly the plane from Seattle to London. Actually not a problem (other than the foaming of the runway at the Piper factory en-route for a wheels-up landing that never transpired). On the trip east, they had mostly calm air at high altitude. But shortly after the start in London they got into some turbulence and flew a lower altitude than wanted (optimum cruising altitude was 24-32k? (single engine prop plane and on oxygen). Dad was always a heavy smoker. About 50 miles from the start, his copilot Bill smelled gas. Dad wasn?t worried and lit another cigarette. In the next round of turbulence, Bill looked into the back seat (aux tank area) and saw a HUGE stream of fuel coming out of a vent line! Crazy as it made my dad, he didn?t smoke again on that leg - or at least until that tank was exhausted. Point being that at the lower altitude and with warmer temps, the fuel expand quite a bit! That?s why dad would always refuel the night before a cross-country trip and why there was often fuel dripping on the hanger floor in the morning before we headed out. Make no mistake... gasoline expands a lot! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:.28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > --Apple-Mail-3E6638B7-D692-4FF1-A2BE-3AA870E70F66 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot w= > rote: >> =20 >> =EF=BB=BFSmokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. >> Bill Dentinger >> =20 >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> =20 >>> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot net> wrote: >>> =20 >>> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked c= > orrect. Don=E2=80=99t recall if he got caught before he From lunkercars at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 22:25:32 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Message-ID: <796A70F2-B67B-4E61-AFEA-A78E2852D7C9@yahoo.com> Don?t have much to contribute these days so I?m mostly silent here. But every once in awhile a thread sparks something I?m compelled to reply to. In 1971 my father did the London to Victoria (BC Canada) air race. The stranglehold (for all) was going to be refueling in Greenland (maybe Iceland - I?m not sure). There were only two fuel pumps and all the planes would be coming in at about the same time and out as fast as possible. With the aux tank in the back seat, about 180 gallons were required. Months in advance, Dad contacted a guy with a pick-up and sent him a waterbed. Pick-up guy met him at the end of the airstrip, and (hand) pumped a full load into the Comanche 400T. To the amazement of all, they were in and out in record time! But I digress... To get to the start of the race, he and copilot Bill, had to fly the plane from Seattle to London. Actually not a problem (other than the foaming of the runway at the Piper factory en-route for a wheels-up landing that never transpired). On the trip east, they had mostly calm air at high altitude. But shortly after the start in London they got into some turbulence and flew a lower altitude than wanted (optimum cruising altitude was 24-32k? (single engine prop plane and on oxygen). Dad was always a heavy smoker. About 50 miles from the start, his copilot Bill smelled gas. Dad wasn?t worried and lit another cigarette. In the next round of turbulence, Bill looked into the back seat (aux tank area) and saw a HUGE stream of fuel coming out of a vent line! Crazy as it made my dad, he didn?t smoke again on that leg - or at least until that tank was exhausted. Point being that at the lower altitude and with warmer temps, the fuel expand quite a bit! That?s why dad would always refuel the night before a cross-country trip and why there was often fuel dripping on the hanger floor in the morning before we headed out. Make no mistake... gasoline expands a lot! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:.28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > --Apple-Mail-3E6638B7-D692-4FF1-A2BE-3AA870E70F66 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot w= > rote: >> =20 >> =EF=BB=BFSmokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. >> Bill Dentinger >> =20 >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> =20 >>> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot net> wrote: >>> =20 >>> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked c= > orrect. Don=E2=80=99t recall if he got caught before he From sjanzen at me.com Fri Sep 27 05:35:00 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 07:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel expansion rate In-Reply-To: References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> Found this on line. Looks like if the gas started at 50 degrees it would expand from 7.2 gallons to 7.28 gallons at 70 degrees. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/volumetric-temperature-expansion-d_315.html Looks like a big fuel line would give more of an edge, or coming in early a quick stop for 10 seconds to add a gallon of fuel. No idea how accessible refueling is on a SRF. On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Funny this came up today: https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > From: Scott Janzen via Fot <> > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <> > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Chris Marx via Fot < <>fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" < <>fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: <>tr4racing at googlemail.com >> > > Or roll cage. > > > Von: Fot < <>fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott < <>sbarr at McCarty-Law.com >; <>fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: <>fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > Scott (B.) > > _______________________________________________ > <>fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > >> _______________________________________________ >> <>fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive? http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 07:20:27 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 08:20:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel expansion rate In-Reply-To: <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> Message-ID: I run a construction equipment dealership here in Austin and we put in a concrete parking lot this spring. We used to park the equipment on the dirt and never noticed fuel "growth" issues in the past, but it sure is obvious on concrete. We had a lot of 100 degree days this summer. We have a lot of large tanks approaching 100 gallon and with fuel filled at 75 degrees in the morning we had to drain off multiple gallons at 5 PM when it started spilling out the cap vents. Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 6:35 AM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Found this on line. Looks like if the gas started at 50 degrees it would > expand from 7.2 gallons to 7.28 gallons at 70 degrees. > > https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/volumetric-temperature-expansion-d_315.html > Looks like a big fuel line would give more of an edge, or coming in early > a quick stop for 10 seconds to add a gallon of fuel. No idea how > accessible refueling is on a SRF. > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked > correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess > he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in > their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. > It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > *From:* Scott Janzen via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > *To:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Chris Marx via Fot > *Date:* September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT > *To:* "fot at autox. team. net" > *Subject:* *Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel* > *Reply-To:* tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Or roll cage. > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Jerry Van Vlack > via Fot > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > *An:* Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your > frame. > > > *From:* Barr, Scott via Fot > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > > *Subject:* [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road > America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every > 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some > quick competition out there. > > > Scott (B.) > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story? from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv9529432044 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv9529432044 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv9529432044 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv9529432044 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9529432044 p.yiv9529432044MsoNormal, #yiv9529432044 li.yiv9529432044MsoNormal, #yiv9529432044 div.yiv9529432044MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9529432044 a:link, #yiv9529432044 span.yiv9529432044MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9529432044 .yiv9529432044MsoChpDefault {}#yiv9529432044 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9529432044 div.yiv9529432044WordSection1 {}#yiv9529432044 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:34:53 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:34:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> Message-ID: Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there's big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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URL: From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 27 08:39:34 2019 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> Message-ID: <706069307.348974.1569595174941@mail.yahoo.com> Smokey? I don't recall the MC GCR specifying fuel line diameter, but where ya gonna find those 2" to 1/4" adapters on a Friday? Gary Schneider On Friday, September 27, 2019, 9:35:01 AM CDT, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition.? People cheat where there?s big money at stake.?? We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? ? Scott (B.) ? From: Fot On Behalf Of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ;fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To:fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? 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URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:40:37 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:40:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <706069307.348974.1569595174941@mail.yahoo.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> <706069307.348974.1569595174941@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And the SRF rules are pretty clear that?s not permitted? From: Gary Schneider Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:40 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Smokey? I don't recall the MC GCR specifying fuel line diameter, but where ya gonna find those 2" to 1/4" adapters on a Friday? Gary Schneider On Friday, September 27, 2019, 9:35:01 AM CDT, Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there?s big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) From: Fot > On Behalf Of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:46:30 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:46:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> References: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Exactly what I had in mind!! The last enduro I ran at Road America was at the SCCA Divisional there a month or so ago and I used up most of my 7.2 gallons in 60 minutes. The ambient temperature was maybe 75 degrees F (so, fuel in jugs likely the same), so I wondered if I cooled it down to, say, 35 degrees F how much extra fuel (density) I could get into the cell. Based on the formulas sent to me by several helpful FOT?rs, the math says I could get a little extra fuel density, but not enough to make a difference. I?ll just have to soft-pedal it and hope I can do that and go faster than the other guys or that they don?t and have to make an extra stop. Also, I remember Kas? story about putting plastic water bottles into a fuel tank in the TR4s to meet the volume limit and later discovering that the plastic had failed and they actually had more volume during the race than anticipated. Good story. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Ron KRANTZ via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:39 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Actually what Smokey did was Drilled holes in the frame rails so tech knew he wasn't putting fuel there but they didn't look at what was inside the frame rail. He put 2 inch radiator hose in there for a fuel line. The rule was for fuel cell capacity but no rule for the fuel line size. When I ran SCCA nationals at Road America in the 70's I had a 6 gallon cell, the races were 15 laps plus parade lap and cool off lap (68 total miles). I was getting 10 miles/gallon and never ran out of fuel. How you ask... Saturday night we drained the cell, drank all the beer and put the gas cans in the cooler. Fueled the car and pushed it to grid Sunday morning. Before we would get to the grid the fuel cell was pissing out the overflow from the fuel expanding in less than 5 minutes. Ron Krantz ReK Racing #77 On September 26, 2019 at 6:16 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: Smokey Yunick Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. 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URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Sep 27 10:29:14 2019 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 16:29:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net>, Message-ID: In answer to this I would like to see the results of engine capacity pump downs for the big bore/Trans Am type cars. My ears don?t lie to me. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there?s big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Sep 26 14:50:21 2019 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:50:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 3:47 PM Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the > fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > > > *No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of > darkness.* > > > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > Hard to believe that that skunk is dead 27+ years. ;-) Irv Korey Corner worker at 1 and 3, Mid Ohio 1992 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Like I said, the stories of that event are endless. here's the one that relates to the photo. > During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track. It was a nice day. > Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day. One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track. > Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3. He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3. > Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car! Jeff was not amused. > > The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning. btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. > > Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! > > On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" > > So many memories! Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. > > I just registered for 2020. Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM > To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > > russ > > > > > Image-34 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 20233 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 21:29:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 03:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. ?I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Mike Jackson via Fot??wrote: #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 Like I said, the stories of that event are endless.? here's the one that relates to the photo.During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track.? It was a nice day.Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day.? One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track.Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3.? He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3.Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car!? Jeff was not amused. The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning.? btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" So many memories!? Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle?? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. I just registered for 2020.? Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- _filtered #yiv6020273614 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 a:link, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 a:visited, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614BalloonTextChar {}#yiv6020273614 .yiv6020273614MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614WordSection1 {}#yiv6020273614 Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! ? 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Name: Untitled URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 21:29:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 03:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. ?I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Mike Jackson via Fot??wrote: #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 Like I said, the stories of that event are endless.? here's the one that relates to the photo.During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track.? It was a nice day.Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day.? One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track.Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3.? He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3.Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car!? Jeff was not amused. The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning.? btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" So many memories!? Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle?? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. I just registered for 2020.? Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- _filtered #yiv6020273614 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 a:link, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 a:visited, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614BalloonTextChar {}#yiv6020273614 .yiv6020273614MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614WordSection1 {}#yiv6020273614 Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! ? 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Name: Untitled URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Sep 27 05:41:44 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <664302860.106306.1569584504550.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <664302860.106306.1569584504550@mail.yahoo.com> I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv5469210639 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv5469210639 p.yiv5469210639MsoNormal, #yiv5469210639 li.yiv5469210639MsoNormal, #yiv5469210639 div.yiv5469210639MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv5469210639 a:link, #yiv5469210639 span.yiv5469210639MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5469210639 .yiv5469210639MsoChpDefault {}#yiv5469210639 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv5469210639 div.yiv5469210639WordSection1 {}#yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. 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He was putting it out.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, September 27, 2019,?fubog1??wrote: I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv1699040232 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv1699040232 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv1699040232 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv1699040232 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv1699040232 p.yiv1699040232MsoNormal, #yiv1699040232 li.yiv1699040232MsoNormal, #yiv1699040232 div.yiv1699040232MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1699040232 a:link, #yiv1699040232 span.yiv1699040232MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1699040232 .yiv1699040232MsoChpDefault {}#yiv1699040232 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv1699040232 div.yiv1699040232WordSection1 {}#yiv1699040232 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. 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URL: From vfracing at aol.com Fri Sep 27 10:59:25 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 12:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70F8F5CC-463D-4F37-90F0-9CB2033F7114@aol.com> https://images.app.goo.gl/CLRWjZkmxKs17hwu5 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Like I said, the stories of that event are endless. here's the one that relates to the photo. > During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track. It was a nice day. > Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day. One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track. > Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3. He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3. > Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car! Jeff was not amused. > > The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning. btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. > > Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! > > On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" > > So many memories! Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. > > I just registered for 2020. Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM > To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > > > No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. > > > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > > > > russ > > > > > > > > > > Image-34 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Sep 27 11:40:39 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:40:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR Message-ID: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Sep 27 11:54:43 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:54:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Charley Message-ID: <21B0CC5D-B9AE-44E2-984E-17AB51755289@mhc-law.com> It was a Lotis 7 when I first met him... and before the catering bus. He was on the crew of the 1st US nuke submarine...really a nice guy even though he now drives that Jap thingy Sent from my iPhone From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 12:03:31 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:03:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <775EE478-994E-49C1-8992-408ECD62B9A5@gmail.com> FOT does not have a mascot. Maybe it could be: Skunk Alligator Bat ??? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 27, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. > Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU > > Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. > That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. > > And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back! > > And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM > To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... > Strange dream. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I just love that picture! > > I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM > To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 at att.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! > And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... > Glen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. > > I was there. I seen it. > > They waved, when they went by. > > Bill Dentinger. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. > > I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. But, here's my favorite.. > Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. > > Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" > > Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio > > Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo > Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Fri Sep 27 13:15:51 2019 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:15:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. Priceless Thanks for sharing... Vince On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back! And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... Strange dream. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I just love that picture! I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... Glen [Kates & gator & TR.jpg] -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo >; tr3a58dean >; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. I was there. I seen it. They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean >; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. But, here's my favorite.. Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We were laughing so hard while we did it that it was difficult to line everything up in the light of the dim flashlight we had. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Spitfire Racing; 'Mike Jackson'; 'fubog1'; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio I also recall hearing Mike?s laughter when he saw the skunk the next morning, he really enjoyed the joke. From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:15 PM To: Spitfire Racing ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio That was actually 2002 I believe, one year before the start of the Kastner Cup. From: Spitfire Racing via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 4:46 PM To: 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. 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URL: From amrenno1 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 29 15:15:33 2019 From: amrenno1 at yahoo.com (Mark Wheatley) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 21:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 In-Reply-To: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1201064160.901911.1569791733093@mail.yahoo.com> It was great for me to be reminded with many of these recollections. I knew pieces and parts, was at Mid Ohio in 2002 just getting started so was fortunate enough to participate. But the best for me was the sharing of the conversation between Sandy and Betty.? Man if only she knew!!? I knew from the beginning Charlie was all in.? If he was you know Mike was as well.? I learned quickly of Charlies efforts and decided to maintain not change.? That has paid huge dividends for me and to this day I annually reap the benefits? and? always am thankful for his commitments, efforts and engineering. I have had Charlies car for over 20 years and I suspect it is not much different today than it was when I acquired it. That says it all for me. I will be at Mid Ohio, I am expecting? the same great fun described within this thread. Mark On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 2:35:24 PM EDT, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/amrenno1 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 29 21:03:30 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 21:03:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38ef02c9-d9a7-c673-33a3-8ffc603d40f7@bradakis.com> I believe I mentioned this place before, I may try to work it into my schedule. http://www.ageofsteamroundhouse.org/ mjb. From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 30 05:44:46 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup References: <1357015654.832691.1569843886304.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357015654.832691.1569843886304@mail.yahoo.com> Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup <!--#yiv2717376131 .yiv2717376131EmailQuote {margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#800000 2px solid;}-->Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We mighthave a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list.?Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ?Terry O?BeirneAustralia ????_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 30 05:45:51 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup <!--#yiv6896410682 .yiv6896410682EmailQuote {margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#800000 2px solid;}-->Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We mighthave a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list.?Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ?Terry O?BeirneAustralia ????_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 08:44:42 2019 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:44:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Since we are telling Charlie Kates stories: Bill Fornwalt and I were racing a TR4 in SVRA events in the mid 80s. Charlie and his friend Bill Clark approached me at the 1986 VTR national. Charlie wanted to go racing and did so with much enthusiasm. He became Ken Gillanders' eastern test bed. Any new hot racing part that Ken got Charlie got it first. If it was going to fail or cause damage to the car Ken made sure the driver (Charlie) was thousands of miles away and could only reach him by phone and not by the neck. Bruce On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:16 PM Vince G via Fot wrote: > Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. Priceless Thanks for > sharing... > > Vince > > On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: > > Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here > in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. > Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but > he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber > alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box > playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU > > Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some > 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. > That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which > we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. > > And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years > until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later > and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to > racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the > Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got > there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a > different Brit car but at least we got him back! > > And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about > whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about > it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've > seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my > pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM > To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof > inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... > Strange dream. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I just love that picture! > > I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the > Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all > take much too much explanation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM > To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, > fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 at att.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! > And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... > Glen > [image: Kates & gator & TR.jpg] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean < > tr3a58dean at gmail.com>; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. > > I was there. I seen it. > > They waved, when they went by. > > Bill Dentinger. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. > It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. > > I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. > But, here's my favorite.. > Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. > We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long > and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago > but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" > race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner > either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad > Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy > bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the > side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to > Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. > > Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more > like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a > flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a > weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" > > Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend > and thru the years. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio > > Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 > carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo > Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 09:03:40 2019 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:03:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so > I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in > finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. > Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a > bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car > but at least we got him back! > Yes, we did get him back. He drove up to see the car, and when I opened up the door to the garage, there were 3 - 8" long rubber alligators sitting on the bonnet, the truck lid, and the dashboard. He gave me a big smile and said something like "I see you've been talking to Mike Jackson". We had a nice visit, but as already mentioned, he ended up with another car. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 09:16:32 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> Bruce... All these names sure bring back memories. Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and would...talk your arm off.? Later on he started British Frame and Engine, a mail order source of TRIUMPH competition parts.? Another, lesser known, fact about Ken, was his love of MAGIC.? I believe there is some sort of MAGIC HALL of FAME in his home town, and Ken was a frequent visitor, and loved to show it off to visitors. ? Sadly, both he and his wife had serious health problems at the end, impacting dealing with British Frame and Engine. Ken was a Piece of Work.? I miss him. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Stutzman via Fot To: Vince G Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; fubog1 Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 7:45 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR Since we are telling Charlie Kates stories:Bill Fornwalt and I were racing a TR4 in SVRA events in the mid 80s.Charlie and his friend Bill Clark approached me at the 1986 VTR national.Charlie wanted to go racing and did so with much enthusiasm.He became Ken Gillanders' eastern test bed.Any new hot racing part that Ken got Charlie got it first.If it was going to fail or cause damage to the car Ken made sure the driver (Charlie) was thousands of miles away and could only reach him by phone and not by the neck.Bruce On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:16 PM Vince G via Fot wrote: Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. ? Priceless ? ?Thanks for sharing... Vince On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Yea, not a dream.? Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit.Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Cometshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by.That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away.? Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing"? He was interested? in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see.? Irv Corey's car as I recall.? Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car.? In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back!?? And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female.? But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female?? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here.? Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR...Strange dream.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson To: fubog1 Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I just love that picture! I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story? from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com,fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates.?Sent from Mail for Windows 10? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 30 14:12:52 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:12:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> On 9/30/19 9:16 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 > against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a > Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? > If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, > CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off. I called him some years ago with what I thought was a simple yes or no question.? I believe that call lasted over 45 minutes. mjb. From rjl at gt-classics.com Mon Sep 30 14:20:07 2019 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 16:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1569874807.imu796nu0o40k8gc@webmail.lumos.net> There was one time when my wife was picking me up from work, and Ken called me right before she was supposed to pick me up. Anyway, as I recall, the conversation lasted over an hour, and she was furious.? And then, Ken called the house (back when we still had a land line), and she understood... John ? On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:12:52 -0600, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 9/30/19 9:16 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 > against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a > Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? > If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, > CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off. I called him some years ago with what I thought was a simple yes or no question.? I believe that call lasted over 45 minutes. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com ? From tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Mon Sep 30 16:18:13 2019 From: tobeirne at skillpro.com.au (=?utf-8?B?VGVycnkgT+KAmUJlaXJuZQ==?=) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 22:18:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many thanks From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. see https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott 114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. Terry O?Beirne Australia _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 30 17:02:05 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 23:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1569468261.1091032.1569884525956@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! I am also looking forward to the trip next June. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: Many thanks ? From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup ? Terry; ? You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. ? While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. ? Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! ? Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. ? There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. ? If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. ? Hope you enjoy the trip! ? Phil Gott 114 TR4A ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 19:56:34 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 01:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <2118731240.1806412.1569894994582.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2118731240.1806412.1569894994582@mail.yahoo.com> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, September 30, 2019,?TR3driver at ca.rr.com??wrote: Randall (et all)... Does anyone know what happened to Ken's TRIUMPH TR2 car?? It was very special. The way I understand it, he purchased it across the pond when he was stationed there in the service.? I think that is how he got connected with early TRIUMPH competition parts connections, like Daryll Uprichards (sp?) and Cox and Buckles.? It was a daily driver over there, and he shipped it home when he was discharged.? I don't remember it being a Long Door, but it was a low dash plate? number TR2, and he kept it in gorgeous condition.? It must have been tricked up some since TRIUMPH built it, because he drag raced it in 'handicapped drag races', and it was a champion.? It used to beat the early Corvettes.? It had four ten inch alfin aluminum brake drums, and these were by TRIUMPH (supposedly they only made fifty sets).? An Italian made 10" Alfin Drum was available "after market", and Old Blue has two of those in the rear. Can anyone remember Ken's close buddy (Art, I think...maybe not).? Super nice guy, but 180 degrees different than Ken.? Ken would talk a mile a minute, and his friend would just stand there and smile.? But they were great buddies. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Bill Dentinger' Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I believe it was more local than Orange county; specifically Temple City CA where he and Helen lived.? I know he served multiple terms on the city council, and at least one or two as mayor. I miss him too.? As is so often the case, I wish I had spent more time listening to his stories. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:17 AM > To: stutztr4 at gmail.com; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing > his TR2 against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? > And it was a Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic > about TRIUMPH than Ken.? If I remember correctly, he was a > local politician (Orange County, CA?), and like all > politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off.? Later on he started British Frame > and Engine, a mail order source of TRIUMPH competition parts. >? Another, lesser known, fact about Ken, was his love of > MAGIC.? I believe there is some sort of MAGIC HALL of FAME in > his home town, and Ken was a frequent visitor, and loved to > show it off to visitors.? > Sadly, both he and his wife had serious health problems at > the end, impacting dealing with British Frame and Engine. > > > Ken was a Piece of Work.? I miss him. > > Bill Dentinger > >? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still have not been to the rock and roll hall of fame. I agree that the Amish towns and countryside are worth a tour. Beautiful rolling hills and great curvy, scenic roads. Rent a sporty car and keep a close lookout for horse drawn buggies. There are many Amish communities between Mid-Ohio and the Akron, Canton, Ohio area. Cleveland has huge boating activity being right on the "North Coast" of the U.S. Put-in-Bay vintage races are held nearby too, but later in the season. People and race cars are ferried to an island where the races are held. Looking forward, Dave H. > On September 30, 2019 at 4:02 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, > > I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. > > I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... > > There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! > > I am also looking forward to the trip next June. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: > > > > Many thanks > > > > From: vfracing at aol.com > Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 > To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup > > > > Terry; > > > > You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. > > > > While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. see https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. > > > > Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, Been there twice and would go again! > > > > Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. > > > > There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. > > > > If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. > > > > Hope you enjoy the trip! > > > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm > Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup > > Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. > > > > Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. > > > > Terry O?Beirne > > Australia > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 21:19:58 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 03:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup References: <138485044.1845966.1569899998047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <138485044.1845966.1569899998047@mail.yahoo.com> Columbus is perhaps most famous for OHIO STATE (the Buckeyes). I remember one time speaking at OHIO STATE ( about Masonry). ?I went into the men's room to powder my nose, and I'll never forget the sign on the wall. ?It said, "PLEASE FLUSH TWICE! IT'S A LONG WAS TO MICHIGAN STATE." Now that's FUNNY! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, September 30, 2019,?DAVE HOGYE via Fot??wrote: Good call, Bob. I grew up just east of Cleveland, but have been in California for over 30 years. ?Cleveland has a lot to offer, but Columbus is a nice city too and nearby Mid-Ohio. ?I still have not been to the rock and roll hall of fame. ?I agree that the Amish towns and countryside are worth a tour. ?Beautiful rolling hills and great curvy, scenic roads. ?Rent a sporty car and keep a close lookout for horse drawn buggies. ?There are many Amish communities between Mid-Ohio and the Akron, Canton, Ohio area. ?Cleveland has huge boating activity being right on the "North Coast" of the U.S. ?Put-in-Bay vintage races are held nearby too, but later in the season. ?People and race cars are ferried to an island where the races are held.? Looking forward, Dave H. On September 30, 2019 at 4:02 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? Hi, I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! I am also looking forward to the trip next June. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: Many thanks ? From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup ? Terry; ? You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. ? While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. ? Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! ? Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. ? There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. ? If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. ? Hope you enjoy the trip! ? Phil Gott 114 TR4A ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. ? Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Sep 29 10:55:35 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 16:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <008301d5757c$0a56c1b0$1f044510$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> <40AC6BA6AA45459596414FF9D4088691@VlackTK121647> <008301d5757c$0a56c1b0$1f044510$@rr.com> Message-ID: <524820509.1046236.1569776135636@mail.yahoo.com> Dim flashlight?? Did it flicker?? Probably LUCAS. And they call them Torches. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing via Fot To: 'Jerry Van Vlack' ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 9:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv1773909071 #yiv1773909071 -- _filtered #yiv1773909071 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv1773909071 #yiv1773909071 p.yiv1773909071MsoNormal, #yiv1773909071 li.yiv1773909071MsoNormal, #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;} #yiv1773909071 a:link, #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1773909071 a:visited, #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1773909071 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;} #yiv1773909071 p.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate, #yiv1773909071 li.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate, #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071BalloonTextChar {} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071EmailStyle19 {color:windowtext;} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071EmailStyle21 {color:#1F497D;} #yiv1773909071 .yiv1773909071MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071WordSection1 {} #yiv1773909071 Truth be told most of the artistic imagery was performed by my wife Cheryl and Sue Kahler(Spitfire Susie) while I only added the stripe and x?d out eyes. We were laughing so hard while we did it that it was difficult to line everything up in the light of the dim flashlight we had. ?Russ MooreSpitfire #49 ?From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Spitfire Racing; 'Mike Jackson'; 'fubog1'; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio ?I also recall hearing Mike?s laughter when he saw the skunk the next morning, he really enjoyed the joke.?From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:15 PMTo: Spitfire Racing ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio?That was actually 2002 I believe, one year before the start of the Kastner Cup. ?From: Spitfire Racing via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 4:46 PMTo: 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio?Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics!?No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness.?I leave Mike to tell the tale??????????????russ??? | Image-34 | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One thing I?ve never seen on a 6 cylinder engine is the word Special embossed on the block. It?s next to the drain plug on the right side.? Anyone seen that before??? " ThanksMike H_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 466451 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 19:27:15 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 21:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 engine with "special" on the block? In-Reply-To: <1409135559.1584683.1567465131941@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1409135559.1584683.1567465131941@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I nothing from FOT and I just looked at the original post on the Triumph forum, no new news there either. I guess it really is special. thanks mike On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 6:58 PM Brian Dennis wrote: > Did anyone come up with meaning of ?special?? > > On Saturday, August 24, 2019, 9:29:16 PM EDT, Mike Harmuth via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > This came up the other day on a Triumph forum. Stumping everyone there. > Any ideas what SPECIAL on the casting means ? Not my car but interested in > what it means. > > "Engine number is KD7632E > > So my son?s gt6 is a mk2 w a mk1 engine in it. One thing I?ve never seen > on a 6 cylinder engine is the word Special embossed on the block. It?s next > to the drain plug on the right side. > > Anyone seen that before? " > > [image: image.png] > > Thanks > Mike H > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/britracer89 at yahoo.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 466451 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timmmurphh at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 13:02:56 2019 From: timmmurphh at gmail.com (timmmurphh at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 14:02:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival Message-ID: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> Is anyone else going to ELVF this year? Tim & Ryan Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From slaterptrs at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 14:34:22 2019 From: slaterptrs at gmail.com (Tim Slater) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 16:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival In-Reply-To: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> References: <001801d5628a$365d22e0$a31768a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, Planning on being at ELVF. Left rig in Michigan after Grattan but had to cancel Watkins Glen to return to West Palm Beach, Florida. Fortunately we just dodged the worst of Hurricane Dorian . Thoughts and prayers to those in the Bahamas. Tim Slater Spitfire #17 Phone: 561-820-0021 On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 3:07 PM timmmurphh--- via Fot wrote: > Is anyone else going to ELVF this year? > > > > Tim & Ryan Murphy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/slaterptrs at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 07:58:36 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 08:58:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kas_Kastner=E2=80=99s_Sebring_TR4?= Message-ID: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> FOT, Entry to Goodwood this month. Being shipped to Mid-Ohio for SVRA?s KCup June 2020. (Won the Kastner Cup at Topeka, Kansas) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_2866.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 127591 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- How can you NOT be there at Mid-Ohio next June? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From stutztr4 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 08:11:02 2019 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:11:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kas_Kastner=E2=80=99s_Sebring_TR4?= In-Reply-To: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> References: <44486082-556B-4BA9-9DB5-0E235CA7D90D@gmail.com> Message-ID: WPTA is all in. Bruce On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 10:00 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT, > > Entry to Goodwood this month. > Being shipped to Mid-Ohio for SVRA?s KCup June 2020. > (Won the Kastner Cup at Topeka, Kansas) > > > How can you NOT be there at Mid-Ohio next June? > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Sep 4 15:44:00 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information Message-ID: To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. Hope to see you here! From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 4 19:27:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 01:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information References: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> Henry... Are you racing, and if so which car? Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Wednesday, September 4, 2019,?yellow04 via Fot??wrote: To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. Hope to see you here! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Sep 5 06:00:05 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 08:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you on asphalt or grass? I mean grass is great (heh heh!) but I prefer a hard surface to?? work under on a car. Cheers, Bill On 9/4/2019 5:44 PM, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA > event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a > bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow > Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. > > Hope to see you here! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From paulricco at att.net Thu Sep 5 07:08:35 2019 From: paulricco at att.net (Paul Ricco) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:08:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen TR Paddock Area Message-ID: FOT, SVRA does have a paddock area designated for the Triumphs. It is behind the main grand stand right by the start finish line. It is a paved area, in a good location and in close proximity to the grid/meeting areas. They are really making an effort to try to make this a nice weekend. They reserved enough space for every TR registered for the event If you are not into the track yet, please let the people guiding you through the paddock know that you have a TR and they will guide you the right spot. Rick Parent has said that if you are in here already and want to move to the TR area, just let SVRA staff know and you can still go there for the weekend. I assure you that they really do want all the TR owners to have a good weekend here and they are trying very hard. We got here on Wednesday morning and it was very busy. They still got us to the right area within 15 minutes of pulling in. That included registration. It was the easiest entry we have ever had and they were slammed busy. Hope everyone has a good weekend here. Paul Ricco Blue TR4 #4 From horizonracing at msn.com Thu Sep 5 08:58:44 2019 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 14:58:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 for sale Message-ID: Friends !!! Period Racing history , fresh ready to go . Too many details to list . Super clean car . No rust / no oil leaks . All the best bits!! POA $ Please contact me directly Regards Tony Garmey 206 612 1782 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_5343.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1414698 bytes Desc: IMG_5343.JPG URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_5344.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1415191 bytes Desc: IMG_5344.JPG URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00002.txt URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wife's serious illness forces my retirement. $26,500 sacrifice price includes excellent spares, most new in boxes. Contact me off-list at 570-441-5646 or email for complete specs spiwakd at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 5 15:21:42 2019 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 21:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR 4 race car for sale In-Reply-To: References: <2108908703.2888042.1567710589553.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2108908703.2888042.1567710589553@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1572577329.2938840.1567718502316@mail.yahoo.com> Probably not, keeping two British race cars running is why I let it go and I'm not any younger since then. But Chip contacted me when he saw it several years ago, unfortunately a few hours after it was sold. Gary On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 2:59:45 PM CDT, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: Time to buy it back, Gary?? ? Scott (B.) ? From: Fot On Behalf Of Dave Spiwak via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 2:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 race car for sale ? The Chip Bond/Jack Wheeler/Gary Schneider TR4 is for sale with zero-hour engine, trans and new Speedsters. Recent conversion to left-hand drive and ready to race. This car ran many national races including the SCCA Runoffs. Described in Grassroots Motorsports as The Ultimate TR4. Wife's serious illness forces my retirement. $26,500 sacrifice price includes excellent spares, most new in boxes. Contact me off-list at 570-441-5646 or email for complete specs spiwakd at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Thu Sep 5 18:19:19 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:19:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WGlen Message-ID: <99D6429A-F381-4368-AED6-321AD5B477E1@mhc-law.com> Who should walk up to our pit other than Chris Marks...what surprise! He is to drive a TR8 from Canada...Neat! Sent from my iPhone From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 5 18:31:26 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] WGlen References: <1759764600.3022285.1567729886320.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1759764600.3022285.1567729886320@mail.yahoo.com> Ach du Lieber!? Der bin Chris Marx. ?Nicht?Marks. Wilhelm Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 5, 2019,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: Who should walk up to our pit other than Chris Marks...what surprise! He is to drive a TR8 from Canada...Neat! Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 5 18:31:26 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] WGlen References: <1759764600.3022285.1567729886320.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1759764600.3022285.1567729886320@mail.yahoo.com> Ach du Lieber!? Der bin Chris Marx. ?Nicht?Marks. Wilhelm Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 5, 2019,?John H. Hasty via Fot??wrote: Who should walk up to our pit other than Chris Marks...what surprise! He is to drive a TR8 from Canada...Neat! Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Fri Sep 6 04:23:22 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 06:23:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen paddock information In-Reply-To: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1254522796.2551412.1567646867725@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96E82D30-EF0F-48BF-89AF-6BAA61AE85F3@aol.com> For those possibly coming in late. There is some room in the original Triumph Paddock area still. We are next to the Corvette Coral and right behind the main straight grandstands with easy access to those great seats! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Henry... > > Are you racing, and if so which car? > > Bill > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Wednesday, September 4, 2019, yellow04 via Fot wrote: > > To those of you who are going to (or at!) Watkins Glen for the SVRA > event this weekend, be informed the reserved paddock location has a > bunch of Corvettes in it, but no Triumphs! We ended up in the Overflow > Paddock behind race medical. It's the first left after the tunnel. > > Hope to see you here! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Fri Sep 6 07:09:12 2019 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 13:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 for sale References: <1838266926.3235746.1567775352106.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1838266926.3235746.1567775352106@mail.yahoo.com> Trans included? ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Thursday, September 5, 2019,?Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot??wrote: Friends !!! Period Racing history , fresh ready to go . Too many details to list . Super clean car . No rust / no oil leaks . All the best bits!! POA $ Please contact me directly Regards Tony Garmey 206 612 1782_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sat Sep 7 19:27:43 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 01:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Any results from Watkins Glen? Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Sep 7 19:48:18 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2019 21:48:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> The TRiumph race is tomorrow at about 1:30 pm eastern. For my race today I finished 15th with a best time of about 2:25.8. Results sheet isn?t handy. One of the gt-6?s was in the tire wall at the inside of the next to last turn at the end. Other than the triumph race tomorrow we?re in multiple groups, so it?s hard to keep track of, and the results aren?t in mylaps / speed hive yet. Regards, Tony Drews Quoting Bill Dentinger via Fot : > Any results from Watkins Glen? > Bill Dentinger > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 23:20:38 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 22:20:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Any results from Watkins Glen? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Sep 8 04:32:24 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 06:32:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F38242A11A549C49125D51CC81BDFDD@VlackTK121647> Last report at the end of yesterday was the Huffaker TR8 was towed off track and no where to be seen. Also Christian Marx in the Canadian TR8 set some good lap times so if that race ever materializes it'll be a good one for sure. This is the biggest field I've ever seen at WG, there are race cars everywhere as well as the infield and outside the track is packed with spectators. Camping and Motorhomes as far as you can see. Really fantastic support all around. The Triumph activities on Friday were a lot of fun. For $145.00 you got a 60+ mile Rally, a brunch at the track, 3 laps of the course, 2 1/2 laps of the old course, preferred paring in Lafayette Park close into the Friday night town activities, 2 tickets to the track and a bottle of wine. Approx 95 street cars participated with a nice mix of all Triumph models. Weather is wonderful. Full day of racing ahead. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Brad Eells via Fot Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 1:20 AM To: Bill Dentinger ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > Any results from Watkins Glen? > > Bill Dentinger > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From vfracing at aol.com Sun Sep 8 05:10:35 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 07:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <20190907214818.Horde.nGQuLp0LUsePBchIZgkeW0W@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other than the triumph race tomorrow we?re in multiple groups, so it?s hard to keep track of, and the results aren?t in mylaps / speed hive yet. > > Regards, Tony Drews > > Quoting Bill Dentinger via Fot : > >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From vfracing at aol.com Sun Sep 8 05:12:35 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 07:12:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3322059 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 07:06:24 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 09:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 09:07:23 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 08:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke again... Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 09:29:06 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (MACDONALD) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 11:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> 3 TR8s running , Huffaker, Bulkowski, and Bennett Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke again... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: >> >> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot >> Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM >> To: Brad Eells >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >>> >>> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >>> >>> Brad Eells >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>>> >>>> Bill Dentinger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >>> >>> >> From kaskastner at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 10:16:26 2019 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 09:16:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <239BC52F-3B6A-406D-98F3-B5EC0253BFC5@gmail.com> <24B37B46-45E6-4EED-A771-5A2B60E16271@rogers.com> Message-ID: I got a message that Chris was 11 seconds faster than Mueller . ELEVEN SECONDS!!!! *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 8:29 AM MACDONALD via Fot wrote: > 3 TR8s running , Huffaker, Bulkowski, and Bennett > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Brad Eells wrote: > > > > That?s a massive and diverse race group...looks like the TR8 broke > again... > > > > Brad Eells > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:06 AM, Paul MacDonald > wrote: > >> > >> https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott > via Fot > >> Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > >> To: Brad Eells > >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > >>> > >>> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > >>> > >>> Brad Eells > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Any results from Watkins Glen? > >>>> > >>>> Bill Dentinger > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> fot at autox.team.net > >>>> > >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>>> > >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > >>> > >>> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: finish.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 692877 bytes Desc: not available URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Sep 8 12:07:07 2019 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 14:07:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000d01d56670$3b399f20$b1acdd60$@rogers.com> Results https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: September 8, 2019 2:05 PM To: 'Paul MacDonald'; 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: RE: [Fot] Watkins Glen Finish of the Triumph race -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Sep 8 12:44:36 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2019 14:44:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20190908144436.Horde.RDl_4d2IQSiTMB08zyjrwiB@tonydrews.com> If I did it right, attached is a full set of results. Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Vroom, Vroom, Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2000816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Sep 8 13:03:21 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 19:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000d01d56670$3b399f20$b1acdd60$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> <000d01d56670$3b399f20$b1acdd60$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1653279048.4048343.1567969401786@mail.yahoo.com> KUDOS to all of the racers! ? Particularly Henry Frye. ? I'll bet SVRA TECH had him Urine tested after the race.? But Henry's just a good wrench and driver. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald via Fot To: 'Phil Gott' ; 'Brad Eells' ; 'Fot' Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2019 11:12 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Results? https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: September 8, 2019 2:05 PM To: 'Paul MacDonald'; 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: RE: [Fot] Watkins Glen Finish of the Triumph race -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 -----Original Message----- From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM To: Brad Eells Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot >> wrote: >> >> Any results from Watkins Glen? >> >> Bill Dentinger >> >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive >> http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Sep 8 13:32:35 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 19:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: <1964332569.4039560.1567971155615.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1964332569.4039560.1567971155615@mail.yahoo.com> All I got was a nice picture of the garage. But not to worry. I have a copy of SVRA?s result sheet. You done good, Tony. ?So did Henry. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 8, 2019,?Tony Drews via Fot??wrote: If I did it right, attached is a full set of results. Tony Drews Quoting Paul MacDonald via Fot : > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 14:54:07 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 13:54:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> References: <229811451.3856918.1567906063049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <229811451.3856918.1567906063049@mail.yahoo.com> <014d01d56646$38e4f2d0$aaaed870$@rogers.com> <000601d5666f$e91b6f70$bb524e50$@rogers.com> Message-ID: Here?s the direct link. Looks like only 23 starters. Congrats John Mueller! https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Session/6808344 Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > > Finish of the Triumph race > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 9:06 AM > To: 'Phil Gott'; 'Brad Eells'; Fot > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > https://www.race-monitor.com/Results/Race/88939 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Phil Gott via Fot > Sent: September 8, 2019 7:13 AM > To: Brad Eells > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: >> >> John Mueller is killing it in the Huffaker TR8...go figure... >> >> Brad Eells >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:27 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: >>> >>> Any results from Watkins Glen? >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aolcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 9 05:27:52 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] All-Triumph at SVRA Vintage GP References: <2958801.2884366.1568028472583.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2958801.2884366.1568028472583@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, If this wasn't posted yet, the results for the Watkins Glen Vintage GP can be found at: Race | | | | | | | | | | | Race | | | It was an epic weekend for sure. Met some new friends and had a good ol' time on the track. l8r,Bob Lang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Sep 9 05:51:38 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (Christian Marx) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 07:51:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen. We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics. There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me. But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you. Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Sep 9 07:28:20 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 09:28:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190909092820.Horde.jmr8FyHFp71nMdHqo5thfSM@tonydrews.com> Chris, it was great seeing you again at Watkins Glen. You did a fantastic job, learned the track quickly. I was sad to see your car stopped on track during the race. The flowers for Lauren were a nice gesture. Best regards, Tony Drews Quoting Christian Marx via Fot : > I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at > Watkins Glen. > > We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. > Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and > crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He > has some knowledge about race tactics. > > There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and > myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both > drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me > couldn't expect her turning into me. > > But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. > > > We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting > from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out > that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow > him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the > wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could > manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not > interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the > great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. > > > It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and > to hang out with you. > > Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. > > Cheers > Chris From rick.parent at att.net Mon Sep 9 07:44:30 2019 From: rick.parent at att.net (Rick Parent) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. All the best!Rick On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot wrote: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen.? We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars.?Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics.? There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me.? But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning.? We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way.? After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you.? Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's.? Cheers?Chris?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 08:43:19 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:43:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN Message-ID: FOT I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance It is based on: Lap times and finishing position. Age of Triumph Age of Driver The Winner is: JOHN HASTY. TR3. Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 From jsukey at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:07:35 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) Message-ID: Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting closer! I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if anyone has found a good setup that works with points. My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation. Lucas 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" box, gapped to .015" The problem: I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the point gap to close up to zero. At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast resistor). With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points seem to last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple sessions. I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different condensers all with similar results. The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! Jason Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 9 09:08:26 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:08:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4701acaa-5ea5-9b4b-656b-cb5d3763ed64@bradakis.com> On 9/9/19 8:43 AM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. > > Nice!? Love how the age of both the car and the driver play into it. mjb. From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 9 09:12:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 15:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> Joe... I'm not much good at math (although I do like to multiply), but I am not surprised John Hasty made it to the top of your formula.? He's a Jolly Good Fellow, and so say all of us. Bill Dentinger PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions that will produce those results."? I always think of that whenever I hear the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN FOT I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance It is based on: Lap times and finishing position. Age of Triumph Age of Driver The Winner is: JOHN HASTY.? TR3.? Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell:? 319.464.4711 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:20:07 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 10:20:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN In-Reply-To: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> References: <677321236.4405428.1568041951290@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Hasty was running 2:27s and finished 8th. It didn?t take much computer run time to arrive at the results. In another 20 years this will be Henry Frye. What a group! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 9, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Bill Dentinger wrote: > > Joe... > > I'm not much good at math (although I do like to multiply), but I am not surprised John Hasty made it to the top of your formula. He's a Jolly Good Fellow, and so say all of us. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions that will produce those results." I always think of that whenever I hear the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am > Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN > > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterkbulkowski at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 09:34:45 2019 From: peterkbulkowski at gmail.com (Peter Bulkowski) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:34:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> References: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations to the #11 car Curt this was a great weekend Also congratulations to Henry Fry, Bob Lang and Tony Drew's you are also winners. Chris you came to the Glen and you did it first time out 2.11 time ,best time 2 minutes and 8.6 seconds Wow. This was a great weekend for FOT your are all the best. Harry you are also a real Fot guy Gute reise nach Deutschland. I am back at my Igloo in Canada and will fix the car see you at Mid Ohio Peter On Mon., Sep. 9, 2019, 09:45 Rick Parent via Fot, wrote: > It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you > are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. > > All the best! > Rick > > On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at > Watkins Glen. > > We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars. > Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and > crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He > has some knowledge about race tactics. > > There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and > myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both > drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me > couldn't expect her turning into me. > > But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning. > > > We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting > from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out > that way. After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow > him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the > wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could > manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not > interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the > great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. > > > It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and > to hang out with you. > > Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peterkbulkowski at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bulkowski via Fot To: Rick Parent Cc: 'Friends Of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 8:35 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Congratulations to the #11 car Curt this was a great weekend?Also congratulations to Henry Fry,Bob Lang and Tony Drew's you are also winners.?Chris you came to the Glen and you did it first time out 2.11 time ,best time? 2 minutes and 8.6 secondsWow.This was a great weekend for FOTyour are all the best.?Harry you are also a real Fot guyGute reise nach Deutschland.I am back at my Igloo in Canada and will fix the car see you at Mid Ohio Peter On Mon., Sep. 9, 2019, 09:45 Rick Parent via Fot, wrote: It was nice meeting you this weekend and you are welcome back anytime, you are the perfect mix of racer and gentleman. All the best!Rick On Monday, September 9, 2019, 07:52:20 AM EDT, Christian Marx via Fot wrote: I've got an invitation from Peter Bulkowsk to race his blue #88 TR8 at Watkins Glen.? We were sorted to Group 10 with very fast cars.?Peter wanted me to test the car and to hang out with the racing crowd and crew who was Silvain, a friend of Peter. I brought Harry Staude with me. He has some knowledge about race tactics.? There was an incident on the track with Lauren Fix in her TransAm Jag and myself. We tangled and spun. The officials took no further action as both drivers had no chance to avoid the collision. She couldn't see me and me couldn't expect her turning into me.? But as Gentleman I excused with flowers the next morning.? We had a good chance to win the All Triumph race at Watkins Glen starting from pole and doing good laptimes over the weekend but it didn't turn out that way.? After sorting behind the Huffaker car at corner one and follow him closely at the end of the lap the left stub axle broke and blocked the wheel. That parked the car on the middle of the finish straight. I could manage to move the car to the next corner worker area to park it there not interfering the ongoing race too much and became a spectator watching the great performance of John Mueller in the Huffaker TR8. It was a great weekend and it was a joy to meet all you girls and guys and to hang out with you.? Next time I come over I bring two of these Harry's.? Cheers?Chris?_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rick.parent at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peterkbulkowski at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He's a Jolly Good > Fellow, and so say all of us. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Talking about formulas, and the like, Bob Wismer always told me, "You > tell me the results you wish to achieve, and I'll write you POLL questions > that will produce those results." I always think of that whenever I hear > the results of a POLL (especially Political Polls). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 7:46 am > Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE INDEX OF PERFORMANCE. WATKINS GLEN > > FOT > > I took the liberty of coming up with a formula for Vintage Performance to > arrive at an Index of Performance > > It is based on: > > Lap times and finishing position. > Age of Triumph > Age of Driver > > The Winner is: > > JOHN HASTY. TR3. > > Congratulations, John! You are my HERO. > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peterkbulkowski at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lucas > 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. > NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. > Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green > "lucas" box, gapped to .015" > > The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing > the point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at > Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil > (no ballast resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to > last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. > > With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long > as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a > couple sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two > different condensers all with similar results. > > The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind > the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the > first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com Tue Sep 10 06:39:42 2019 From: mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:39:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Close Ratio Gear Set TR4 Message-ID: I need to order a close ratio gear set, last one I had was from Rimmer Brothers, but it is on backorder. Is there any other sources for this?? Thanks, Mike 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 09:04:35 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! 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Bob Kramer On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:05 AM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Hi, > > Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! > > WGVGP Triumph Race > > WGVGP Triumph Race > > 2019 Watkins Glen Grand Prix all-Triumph feature race > > > > > C ya, > Bob Lang > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 10 09:38:20 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature In-Reply-To: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1895915929.5048266.1568129900907@mail.yahoo.com> Bob... Great video.? Thanks for sharing.? I'll bet Henry will love it too, if he has not seen it. You made some gutsy efforts towards a pass, but Henry held you off.? Great racing. Reminded me that I always preferred chasing someone, rather than holding someone off (which drove me crazy). Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lang via Fot To: FOT Triumph Sent: Tue, Sep 10, 2019 8:05 am Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature Hi, Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! WGVGP Triumph Race | | | | | | | | | | | WGVGP Triumph Race 2019 Watkins Glen Grand Prix all-Triumph feature race | | | C ya,Bob Lang _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 10 11:46:13 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen with SVRA In-Reply-To: References: <788537360.2941976.1568036670329@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3819b341634e8db32b08c1ae8cf6ff64@tr4racer.com> A great weekend was had by all, a special thanks to Bob Lang for some really close, fun racing! I got tossed in Group 8, and was under-tired by a long shot, but had some good clean runs with cars I don't usually get to race with. Then of course was the All Triumphs race, for me it was everything we do this for. I must admit this was the first event I have run with SVRA in 10 years. Back then, I had experienced firsthand many of the issues that everybody seems to rant about with SVRA, so it was with some trepidation that I accepted the $100 offer to run what was one of the greatest festival events in the east. I'm glad I did, the event was everything I could have hoped for. I camp at the track in my RV, and was never approached for a camping fee. Nobody rode around playing gestapo security guard. It was just a nice weekend in the paddock at The Glen. Plus got to run the race car in town and on the original race course! Great fun. Racers have told me the SVRA tech process is tough, and they are a pain in the ass. But I chose to play in their sandbox, so I need to play by their rules. I know my SFI belts were older than 2 years so I put a new set of belts. I know my HANS device is older than 5 years so I am prepared to deal with the re-certification process. (I actually got a one-time pass on that, I'll deal with it next year at Mid-Ohio!) The drivers safety gear inspection was thorough but quite fair. The only complaints I heard were from people who were running in gear that was so old it didn't have the FIA/SFI labels, or was in the eyes of the inspector unfit to run because it's falling apart, has holes, is oil-soaked, etc. I found it hard to sympathize with guys who are driving in gear that was well beyond it's sell-by date. Bottom line, the SVRA tech process is simple, bring a well prepped car with good drivers gear and you will breeze through it like I did. The sessions were short, but by Saturday the schedule was pretty close and we were getting the allotted track time. I could complain about lost time from track oiling earlier in the weekend, but let's not go there! Apologies to Rick Parent, I didn't find the time to introduce myself. In my mind we are all systems go for Mid-Ohio in 2020 for the Kastner Cup!!! From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Tue Sep 10 12:00:14 2019 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:00:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] In-Car from SVRA Watkins Glen Vintage GP Triumph Feature In-Reply-To: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1817238807.3397467.1568127875508@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <691eb34bd7898753a18c867026960159@tr4racer.com> We have all heard the adage "The best defense is a good offense" but it seems I have it backwards... I couldn't find 4th gear on the start, so it took a few laps to run down Bob. The second half of my video is almost as boring as the first half of Bobs! But those attempted passes on Turn 1 are very kool, Bob!!! On 2019-09-10 11:04, Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > Here's a video of Henry and I dicing - fun race! From triumphsix at yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 20:24:39 2019 From: triumphsix at yahoo.com (David Gott) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] RARE cards References: <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736@mail.yahoo.com> I have been able to acquire a rare set of cards, one even autographed. ? Sadly, not a full set. ? Of note though, are two father/son team cards, and the elusive/exclusive autographed Tony Drews card. ?Can anyone name them all? ?Which am I missing for a complete set? ?Haha. See attached photo. Can anyone find the Easter egg on the Curt Johnson card? Nice racing with the group! ?The Glen was a blast, and thank you all for the advice along the way!! 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Is there any other sources for this?? ? ? Thanks, Mike ? 62 TR4, Race car 63 TR4, Street car ? Mike & Becky Moore 6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415 ? mmoore at mtmcpafirm.com ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphsix at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Sep 11 06:19:58 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) References: <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1991967453.3742544.1568204398504@mail.yahoo.com> I agree, a lot of electrons going through there, and the red plastic rubbing block on the modern points has its limit.Points are fine on a 4-cylinder engine, if all is kept in order, but a 6-cylinder at those revs is pretty much at the limit; it has to do with coil saturation time, the amount of time that the points are closed.There's a limit to how fast the points can be made to open and close, just like a cam/valve action, and the modern optical & magnetic units are instantaneous and allow max saturation time for a good spark.A 6-cylinder @ those revs would likely benefit from a modern unit.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Tobin via Fot To: fot Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) Jason, sounds like you have too much current going through the points. Maybe try an external ballast resistor. (Ask me how I learned this!). Why not go Pertronix or other pointless distributors? KISS. But always carry a spare! Cheers, Bill On 9/9/2019 11:07 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting closer! I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if anyone has found a good setup that works with points. My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation.?? Lucas 25D6 dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" box, gapped to .015" The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to last, but the car won't rev past 5000 rpm. With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different condensers all with similar results. The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! 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URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 06:38:05 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 08:38:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] RARE cards In-Reply-To: <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1130600780.3641421.1568168679736@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The cards were a nice touch. I enjoyed the event, more importantly my wife did as well. mike h On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:46 PM David Gott via Fot wrote: > I have been able to acquire a rare set of cards, one even autographed. > Sadly, not a full set. Of note though, are two father/son team cards, and > the elusive/exclusive autographed Tony Drews card. Can anyone name them > all? Which am I missing for a complete set? Haha. See attached photo. Can > anyone find the Easter egg on the Curt Johnson card? > > Nice racing with the group! The Glen was a blast, and thank you all for > the advice along the way!! > > Thanks, > Dave Gott > > > [image: Inline image] > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yet one more racing problem solved by throwing $ at it. :) Jason On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:20 AM fubog1 via Fot wrote: > I agree, a lot of electrons going through there, and the red plastic > rubbing block on the modern points has its limit. > Points are fine on a 4-cylinder engine, if all is kept in order, but a > 6-cylinder at those revs is pretty much at the limit; it has to do with > coil saturation time, the amount of time that the points are closed. > There's a limit to how fast the points can be made to open and close, just > like a cam/valve action, and the modern optical & magnetic units are > instantaneous and allow max saturation time for a good spark. > A 6-cylinder @ those revs would likely benefit from a modern unit. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Tobin via Fot > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 1:18 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Ignition coil for 6 cylinder with points (racing) > > Jason, sounds like you have too much current going through the points. > Maybe try an external ballast resistor. (Ask me how I learned this!). > Why not go Pertronix or other pointless distributors? KISS. But always > carry a spare! > Cheers, Bill > On 9/9/2019 11:07 AM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote: > > Had a wonderful time at the Glen, still chasing some gremlins, but getting > closer! > > I've been struggling with points on my GT6, before I throw them away and > buy a 123tune dizzy, I'd like to survey the other 6 cylinder guys to see if > anyone has found a good setup that works with points. > > My engine is about 12.5:1 compression, typically shifting just under 7000 > rpm, but will rev to 7300 rpm depending on the situation.?? Lucas 25D6 > dizzy built by Advanced Distributors. > NGK BP8ES plugs, .028" gap. > Points are the ones with the red plastic that come in the green "lucas" > box, gapped to .015" > > The problem:?? I keep melting the plastic block on the points causing the > point gap to close up to zero.?? At the suggestion of Jeff at Advanced > Distributors, I replaced the 1.5 ohm coil with a 3.0 ohm coil (no ballast > resistor).?? With the 3.0 ohm coil, the points??seem to last, but the car > won't rev past 5000 rpm. > > With the hotter 1.5 ohm coil, the car runs really strong, and as long as I > don't let the engine idle for very long, the points will last a couple > sessions.?? I've been thru three sets of points, tried two different > condensers all with similar results. > > The tow crew at Watkins Glen is very efficient, I pulled off behind the > armco on the pace lap and was still able to watch all but the first two > laps of the all Triumph feature from the stands! > > Jason Sukey > > > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot wrote: > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago. > Josh, his son, is on Pole. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot > wrote: > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Fri Sep 13 14:31:56 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:31:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Goodwood In-Reply-To: References: <205B6C1D-C289-48F0-BFF0-70200848D56E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <463BA1A0-AD24-40EA-8D61-9BB29981BD07@btinternet.com> We had a great day?this is the first time the car has run since the 2016 Silverstone Classic. Driver and car performed brilliantly. Now for the race tomorrow ? > On 13 Sep 2019, at 20:42, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: > > Took the time to watch it, awesome! > Bob Kramer > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago. Josh, his son, is on Pole. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot > wrote: > >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. 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Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------ End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Sep 13 16:58:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 22:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Goodwood References: <2089545468.1090307.1568415516676.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2089545468.1090307.1568415516676@mail.yahoo.com> Keith... What time is the race tomorrow (UK time)? Good Luck! ?Go FAST! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Friday, September 13, 2019,?Keith Files via Fot??wrote: We had a great day?this is the first time the car has run since the 2016 Silverstone Classic. Driver and car performed brilliantly. Now for the race tomorrow ? On 13 Sep 2019, at 20:42, Bob Kramer via Fot wrote: Took the time to watch it, awesome! Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:30 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: This is the Sebring TR4 I secured for Keith Files several years ago.? Josh, his son, is on Pole. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 13, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Charly Mitchel via Fot wrote: There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year.?https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/?Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskastner at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 17:39:49 2019 From: kaskastner at gmail.com (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 16:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. *Never be beaten by equipment.* On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: > It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's > already at the top times. > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net > wrote: > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 > From: "Charly Mitchel" > To: > Subject: [Fot] Goodwood > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. > > > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot/attachments/20190913/c70b3c27/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 > ************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Fri Sep 13 18:01:10 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 00:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 References: <1364904067.1119783.1568419270206.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364904067.1119783.1568419270206@mail.yahoo.com> I hope to watch the race. Bill Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, September 13, 2019,?Kas Kastner via Fot??wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Sep 13 20:44:11 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 04:44:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <000101d56aa6$4b04f870$e10ee950$@gmail.com> Hi Guys, Harry and me is back in Germany. We need to say that we had great fun to join the Triumph racing crowd for the Watkins Glen Historic GP. We had so much fun with everyone and felt very welcome by everyone. I was very pleased that Peter?s car was doing well. Easy to drive and quick at the same time. Although some parts need upgrades as they broke over the weekend but Peter already started to work on this. The track itself is what I like most?fast corners, esses and long straights for going fast. A really great track to race on. Hope to see you all soon. Cheers Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sat Sep 14 02:37:43 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:37:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: > > This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. > Never be beaten by equipment. > > > >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >> wrote: >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >> From: "Charly Mitchel" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >> ************************************* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 09:40:18 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] SVRA COTA Message-ID: Anybody going to the vintage national championships in Austin in October? VTR Nationals starts the next day outside Austin. I?m going to VTR and debating going early to be a spectator at COTA. Not taking the race car, this trip is going be the street TR6 but I?ll fly our flag and see if I can claim an Autocross FTD for the FoT. Dusty Sent from my iPhone From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sat Sep 14 06:30:56 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 13:30:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >> >> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >>> >>> Shawn Frank >>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>> Iowa British Car Club >>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>> 515-339-4228 >>> >>> >>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >>> wrote: >>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >>> From: "Charly Mitchel" >>> To: >>> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> >>> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >>> >>> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >>> >>> Charly Mitchel >>> TR6 #44 >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >>> ************************************* >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 14 08:27:16 2019 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 14:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises.? Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files wrote: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 09:44:57 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Maybe I can get there next time. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Keith Files via Fot wrote: > > Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. > > But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. > > Keith > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: >> >> Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >>> >>> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >>> Never be beaten by equipment. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >>>> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >>>> >>>> Shawn Frank >>>> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >>>> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >>>> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >>>> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >>>> Iowa British Car Club >>>> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >>>> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >>>> 515-339-4228 >>>> >>>> >>>> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >>>> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >>>> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >>>> wrote: >>>> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> fot-request at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> fot-owner at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. 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URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 17:09:27 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:09:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fidenza 1500 flywheel with a 1296 engine Message-ID: I trashed my flywheel at the Glen last week. While I'm probably going to go with a Tilton set up over the winter, I needed something in a hurry for a race in two weeks so I ordered an aluminium 1500 Fidenza flywheel from Ted S. I'm going to use it with a 3 rail tranny, MK4, 10 spline 7 1/4, disk. The crankshaft is already drilled out to accept 7/16" bolts. I bolted the parts together today and took some measurements, there's a ~ 0.037 difference in thickness, from the crankshaft surface to the fingers on the pressure plate between the old setup with a stock pressure plate and the new one which I'm sure will not be a problem but are there any unknowns that I won't find out until I have everything bolted together and in the car? Stock MK1 Girling master and slave. I used a Fidenza flywheel way in the past, not this model, and I remember I had to take some material out where it bolts to the crank because I couldn't get enough clutch travel to fully disengage. Anyone using this setup now and have and tips or warnings? It's so much easier to make changes before it goes together. thanks mike h -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Sep 15 17:14:37 2019 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:14:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen in-car video - All-Triumph race Message-ID: <5b1d3add-cdff-9d24-a119-e08cef1125f9@tonydrews.com> Enjoy... https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc Regards, Tony D From spitlist at cox.net Sun Sep 15 19:49:46 2019 From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fidenza 1500 flywheel with a 1296 engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <346553737.182682.1568598586997@myemail.cox.net> I used that flywheel on my own small Journal 1296 with a 1500 clutch. It worked out fine once I chamfered the center hole. I was getting interference and rubbing before I did that. It wasn't obvious at first but about the 4th time I pulled the gearbox, the evidence marks showed up. Joe > On September 15, 2019 at 7:09 PM Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > I trashed my flywheel at the Glen last week. While I'm probably going to go with a Tilton set up over the winter, I needed something in a hurry for a race in two weeks so I ordered an aluminium 1500 Fidenza flywheel from Ted S. I'm going to use it with a 3 rail tranny, MK4, 10 spline 7 1/4, disk. The crankshaft is already drilled out to accept 7/16" bolts. > I bolted the parts together today and took some measurements, there's a ~ 0.037 difference in thickness, from the crankshaft surface to the fingers on the pressure plate between the old setup with a stock pressure plate and the new one which I'm sure will not be a problem but are there any unknowns that I won't find out until I have everything bolted together and in the car? Stock MK1 Girling master and slave. > > I used a Fidenza flywheel way in the past, not this model, and I remember I had to take some material out where it bolts to the crank because I couldn't get enough clutch travel to fully disengage. Anyone using this setup now and have and tips or warnings? It's so much easier to make changes before it goes together. > > thanks > mike h > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 15 21:38:57 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 22:07:38 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:07:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 06:41:37 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: I just replaced an 11 year old Optima battery that I thought was on it's way out but it turned out to be the alternator. I used to have lead acid batteries but they seemed to die after a year or so, I suspect the vibration was causing internal damage. The new Optima battery was ~$175, delivered, on line, $60 more than an AGM, glass mat, battery of similar capacity, that I could get locally. My good luck with the old one was a big influence in the decision. The "worn" out one is going in a street spit I own next spring. mike On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 12:07 AM Ponostyle via Fot wrote: > If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. > Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little > tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it > total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain > limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people > don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even > the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a > simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the > battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well > buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to > manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable > charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery > entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the > battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you > overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal > BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. > > Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and > generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on > too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen > mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles > the battery. > > Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe > cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an > AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by > Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole > wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the > flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 07:07:00 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:07:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. > On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: > > If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. > > Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. > > Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. > >> On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: >> >> Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? >> OR >> Should I just go get another wetcell type? >> >> Thoughts and considerations? >> >> Outta juice here in NorCal >> Nick >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quikrx at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 07:49:38 2019 From: quikrx at yahoo.com (ralph hansen) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 13:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> Message-ID: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that.? On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging.? Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery.? Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special.? On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 16 08:02:57 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle?Tender?chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. ?Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 16 08:02:57 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle?Tender?chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. ?Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsukey at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 08:16:08 2019 From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:16:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, I've had good luck with the Deka Powersports Sealed AGM batteries on anything with an alternator. No battery box required as it's "spillproof". I use the ETX20L size that's about 15 lbs. Has ample cranking for my 12.5:1 6 cylinder, plenty of reserve for extended cranking if the car is flooded. No special charging requirements, I use a battery tender or battery minder to maintain them over the winter. Usually in stock at the chain auto parts stores for under $100. There are lighter batteries out there, but it's a great compromise for me. Not too expensive, lighter weight than a full sized battery, does not require any special care on my part (it just works). http://www.eastpennmanufacturing.com/wp-content/uploads/Deka-Sports-Power-AGM-Flyer-0278.pdf https://www.amazon.com/Deka-Power-Sports-ETX20L-Battery/dp/B0026H3CB4 Jason On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:41 PM Nick Black via Fot wrote: > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by > Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole > wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the > flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsukey at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.sheach at live.co.uk Mon Sep 16 08:17:07 2019 From: tony.sheach at live.co.uk (Tony Sheach) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:17:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> , <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?ve had a dry cell battery failure caused by overcharging from an OE DENSO alternator when the internal regulator pack obviously failed. This happened very very quickly and because we were running digital tripmeters and clocks in the car at the time we got early warning as they are very voltage sensitive. The battery took about 5 minutes to gas up and would have popped has I not switched off and disconnected it. All in the dark and rain as usual on a rally and in the middle of nowhere. Dry cells are not trouble free so unless you need the weight saving I?d suggest some careful thought on using them. Sent from my iPhone On 16 Sep 2019, at 14:49, ralph hansen via Fot > wrote: I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot > wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/quikrx at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=w2Hy5tRKsfpWaM6zXifLBy3Sr3jhYSiyxuSAHFcQQaw%3D&reserved=0 Donate: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=P%2BfdQkN0d8ZkbYZrZi0INPmNUwX9Zya%2FNLtJzDJo8qk%3D&reserved=0 Archive: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=ibfqTSPfySdoJ2gj%2BhAjepdju0SGXNlYAWLlO3L5RDk%3D&reserved=0 https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ffot&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=oN1lINF9uLw%2FPOe%2F4kbDabFavoGYB64Vj%2BhXgDbbjHk%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe/Manage: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Ftony.sheach%40live.co.uk&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cde3c6b1e5d0e43cb722308d73aacc06b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637042385943598470&sdata=BD8zuJD3%2BNeY3fRbjX5tRBKkKeMLzK7PYErwB00lPbE%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ponobill at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 08:32:16 2019 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Ponostyle) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:32:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Standard lead acid batteries don?t like vibration much. Fortunately our Triumphs are vibration-free. And yes, they don?t live long if they are routinely discharged to less than 50% of ?capacity?. People get remarkably heated about decisions they?ve made about one chemistry or another. I shared some of my experiments on an Airstream forum and it?s a good thing it was online or I might have been lynched. I?m building a Tesla-based battery pack for Fritz, my remarkably stupid GMC Motor home project. Very spooky chemistry unless it?s very well controlled, and then it?s awesome. Charge to 4.15 volts per cell and it?s fine, charge to 4.2V and it catches fire and explodes. So yeah, don?t do that. Don?t drop matches into fuel tanks either. No relevance to racing TR?s though. > On Sep 16, 2019, at 7:02 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle Tender chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. Our problems went away. > > We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bill at ponostyle.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Sep 16 09:00:39 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:00:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1595089613.1923417.1568642577273@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ditto to Bill?s advice. I have had that same experience with my Spec Racer Ford battery. I had tons of trouble with the battery going dead between weekends and that went away as soon as I started keeping it on a battery tender between events. These days, I race the SRF so damn much (eleven weekends and counting) I don?t think the battery would notice if I didn?t keep it on a tender (but I still do?). Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Bill Dentinger via Fot Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:03 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Battery ? In the 1990s we were going through batteries like toilet paper. Right or wrong we assumed ?over charging? was the cause. Then we started using trickle Tender chargers when ever the car was stationary for any length of time. Our problems went away. We never did it, but that heavy wet cell battery can be located in the car in a position to help weight distribution. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Mon Sep 16 09:07:42 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:07:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? Message-ID: Hello all, I?ve got to wonder if I?m the Optima record holder here? Got 19 years out of one! It was dated 1998 and I grudgingly it go in 2017 with a old Chrysler 300 hotrod I was selling. The day I was to deliver the Chrysler, it?s 6 year old Interstate gave up and I put in the Optima - and it happily cranked the high compression 440. The only ?failure? I had with it was the K-Cup in Topeka. I had it mounted horizontally in the trunk of the TR and the positive terminal rattled off and cost me the race. That was the day Kas taught me to pin the terminals to the posts with sheet metal screws. Heavy but rock solid reliable. Your mileage may vary... Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Sep 16 10:19:16 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 12:19:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, here's my 2 cents worth. KISS; I like to drive the thing, not work on it constantly, although sometimes.......... I run a standard Autolite battery, in the trunk, enclosed. Also a GM Delco alternator, one that can be had for $55 in almost any parts store. Bolts on with minimum fuss. Yet to have a problem with either. OK, I'm a mid to back of pack kind of guy. If I wanted to save 40 pounds, I'd knock it off my body (only 20 so far this year). I'm having fun and have gotten a total of 1 trophy/medal in my racing career. But having fun and not financing the farm to do it. Had a couple great races at PittRace last weekend; beat the Porsche 3 out of 4, the Volvo, don't laugh, it's a great car, although the tech guy said it looks like a hearse. Got the MG B after probably the most fun and close race of my life. Sideways a couple times. The B driver and I had a great time and hooted about it after the race. The way I feel it's supposed to be. But I digress. Cheers, Bill On 9/16/2019 11:07 AM, Greg Hilyer via Fot wrote: > Hello all, > I???ve got to wonder if I???m the Optima record holder here? Got 19 years out of one! It was dated 1998 and I grudgingly it go in 2017 with a old Chrysler 300 hotrod I was selling. > The day I was to deliver the Chrysler, it???s 6 year old Interstate gave up and I put in the Optima - and it happily cranked the high compression 440. The only ???failure??? I had with it was the K-Cup in Topeka. I had it mounted horizontally in the trunk of the TR and the positive terminal rattled off and cost me the race. That was the day Kas taught me to pin the terminals to the posts with sheet metal screws. > Heavy but rock solid reliable. Your mileage may vary... > Greg ???Lunker??? Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Sep 16 10:38:02 2019 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 18:38:02 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001d56cad$1c9de6f0$55d9b4d0$@gmail.com> On my TR4 I use a Hawker Odyssey 16Ah battery. Lead gelly. Works fine. Cheers Chris Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Nick Black via Fot Gesendet: Montag, 16. September 2019 05:39 An: FOT List Betreff: [Fot] Battery ? Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCal Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ken Suhre On Sunday, September 15, 2019, 07:00:52 PM CDT, Tony Drews via Fot wrote: Enjoy... https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc Regards, Tony D _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Mon Sep 16 20:45:26 2019 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 02:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> I use a lithium. ?Weighs four lbs. ?no alternator. ?12 cell. ?No problem ?past two years. ?Charges easily with their charger. ?Voltage at start of 20 min?race 13.4 and at end 13.2. ?Will last all weekend. ?Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. ? MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Sunday, September 15, 2019,?Nick Black via Fot??wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger?OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? Outta juice here in NorCalNick_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Mon Sep 16 22:53:59 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:53:59 +0300 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?=5BGRRC_Exclusive=5D_Revival_2019_=E2=80=93_Ford?= =?utf-8?q?water_Trophy_full_race?= Message-ID: Dear all, For this who did not get to see the race first time round?.enjoy. Kind regards, Keith > https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/grrc-exclusive-revival-2019--fordwater-trophy-full-race/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 16 23:50:58 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:50:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B0721E3-8592-4E27-83CB-C9DBB1B3ABDA@aol.com> We ?discovered? that there are (at least) two sizes of starter motors available, 1.4 kW and 2.0 kW. The former from TRF and Moss, the latter from Ted Schumacher. With a small battery the 2 kW motor starts the car much better, spinning it faster and, I think, ultimately with less energy drain from the battery. Being a Yankee, I use a 450 cca lawn tractor battery. I would need a booster battery to start the car when cold using the 1.4 kW motor, but with the 2kW motor it cranks right up without a booster, all else being the same. Bottom line, when choosing a battery, consider the whole system. Phil Gott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2019, at 4:45 AM, Mordy Dunst via Fot wrote: > > I use a lithium. Weighs four lbs. no alternator. 12 cell. No problem past two years. Charges easily with their charger. Voltage at start of 20 min race 13.4 and at end 13.2. Will last all weekend. Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. > > MDunst Headgasket.com 626.358.1616 > Fax 626.628.3777 > Triple R Munitions, Inc 626.201.9471 > T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 > > On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot wrote: > > Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? > OR > Should I just go get another wetcell type? > > Thoughts and considerations? > > Outta juice here in NorCal > Nick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Sep 17 01:08:34 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1980714327.1723683.1568605137707@mail.yahoo.com> <6CDEBF00-2079-47D1-8733-33D4E72F9C85@ponostyle.com> <457527916.5322206.1568641778960@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <274455132.12511716.1568704114626.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> When your car is already at the minimum weight, I think there is little point in discarding a lead battery in favour of an Optima. In our championship though, the minimum weight for a 4 cyl TR is only 851kgs/1850lbs, so when I bought my TR4A from Bob Kramer, removing the heavy lead battery in the trunk, together with the 1cm thick cable to the front of the car, for an Optima type battery of 6kgs near the starter motor, was the easiest 15kgs saving. To get at the actual 860 kgs was a work of weeks. Most weight is saved by the polyester body parts. My door hinges are 0.8kgs lighter biy reduring the surface and the thickness and grinding the bolts. Recently, a friend of mine showed me a box (package) of a Li ion battery for a motorbike to feel the weight : I really thought the box was empty but sure enough the battery was in it! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "Ponostyle" Cc: "fot" Verzonden: Maandag 16 september 2019 15:49:38 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Battery ? I have used an Optima in many of my cars for a few decades, LOVE them. Even got over 10 years out of more than one. They are a bit heavy but do not need a case in some racing orgs. I would say go this route. Lithium are nice but some orgs do not allow them, and if they do you need special markings on the car. Could be a problem if you have a fire and a lithium battery is involved, per the FD, a real pita to put out and keep out in rare cases. Ralph On Monday, September 16, 2019, 08:07:24 AM CDT, Ponostyle via Fot wrote: Oops, error: Actually, it?s possible to have a two terminal battery that cuts off charging when a maximum voltage is reached, but to my knowledge none of the batteries available commercially do that. On Sep 15, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Ponostyle via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: If you want to get a seriously good battery then Lithium is the way to go. Unfortunately there are several issues that make that decision a little tricky. If the car is going to charge the battery instead of running it total loss and charging in the pits, then you have to accept certain limitations in the battery?like it might die fairly quickly. Most people don?t want to rewire their car to accommodate a lithium battery, so even the eye-wateringly expensive (a thousand bucks and up) are designed with a simplified BMS system that protects from overcharging by disconnecting the battery. If your electric system can live with that, then you might as well buy one of the cheaper ones ($150-ish) and see how it goes. The best way to manage a lithium battery is to keep it connected to the car but disable charging when the cells reach about 95% charge, and disconnect the battery entirely if the cell voltage gets to 20 percent or so. If you do that the battery will outlast the car. If you don?t, it might die the first time you overcharge or completely drain the battery. Any battery with an internal BMS and just two terminals can?t just shut off charging. Lead acid batteries respond to overcharging by going into electrolysis and generating oxygen and hydrogen. Nothing terrible happens unless it goes on too long without adding water, or you manage to catch the hydrogen/oxygen mixture on fire, in which case it turns back into water and disassembles the battery. Unless you are prepared to build your own battery from a box full of LiFe cells, add your own BMS and control charging I suspect you should get an AGM and be happy. Optimas are not all that special. BQ_BEGIN On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? 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URL: From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Sep 17 07:47:51 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 15:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] My first Road race! In-Reply-To: <7D934140-4F8D-484F-923B-A29CE7C46FEC@gmail.com> References: <7D934140-4F8D-484F-923B-A29CE7C46FEC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <508457197.15451708.1568728071139.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Really truly great!! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 17 september 2019 13:54:55 Onderwerp: [Fot] My first Road race! Hello everybody. I just wanted to share the video from my first ever road race in my spitfire! It was an amazing learning experience and even though I had a crummy start, I managed to end up passing every one in my fp class at one point, finishing second, and recovering from a scary moment safely out of turn 9 at Willow Springs International Raceway. It was one of the greatest weekends of my life and I absolutely can?t wait to do it again! [ https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y | https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y ] Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Tue Sep 17 09:57:50 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tire Rack and tire dates References: <8ECFEE7F-3AAF-40F6-AAD4-7B0F0F800AC8@catalystre.com> Message-ID: I don?t know how many of you buy tires from Tire Rack but I just had an interesting experience I thought I would share. I recently ordered Toyo Proxes R888Rs for the GT6. I always have the same conversation with the sales person - "what date tires are you shipping, I don?t want last years? tires?. They are always clear that they can?t guarantee the date, but the guy assured me that they had not shipped anything older than 2019 since March of this year, so I thought I was good. They were delivered to my home two days before I left for the track, I didn?t look at them and took them to the track to be mounted. Then I looked. Ugh. A 2016, a 2018 and two 2019s. Though the tires performed fine, I was not a happy camper. I called Tire Rack, and after two calls, got a credit for the 2016 and more importantly, figured out how to avoid this in the future. They will not offer this unless you specifically ask, but if you tell them that your order should have instructions to the warehouse to only ship a date code newer than X (pick a date), and to cancel the order if they can?t do that, they will do so. Tire Rack has good prices, will shave the tires for $20 each, and I don?t have anyone convenient to me who offers what I need, so I buy race tires and at least one set of passenger car tires from TR every year. However, absent specific instructions, apparently their policy is that any tire manufactured in the last four years is good. They claim sometimes they get the older tires from the manufacturer, not that they have been sitting on them. Don?t know if I believe that. Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chasgee22 at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 10:12:09 2019 From: chasgee22 at gmail.com (chasgee22 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:12:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My first Road race! In-Reply-To: <508457197.15451708.1568728071139.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> References: <7D934140-4F8D-484F-923B-A29CE7C46FEC@gmail.com> <508457197.15451708.1568728071139.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> Message-ID: <74D5B777-BB18-471F-A0CF-C24372D51D7D@gmail.com> Hi Jon, Nicely done! Great to meet you this weekend. Chuck > On Sep 17, 2019, at 6:47 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot wrote: > > Really truly great!! > Marcel > > Van: "fot" > Aan: "fot" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 17 september 2019 13:54:55 > Onderwerp: [Fot] My first Road race! > > Hello everybody. I just wanted to share the video from my first ever road race in my spitfire! It was an amazing learning experience and even though I had a crummy start, I managed to end up passing every one in my fp class at one point, finishing second, and recovering from a scary moment safely out of turn 9 at Willow Springs International Raceway. It was one of the greatest weekends of my life and I absolutely can?t wait to do it again! > https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22 at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Sep 17 10:44:37 2019 From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy Dunst) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] My first Road race! References: <2040170356.2651118.1568738677643.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2040170356.2651118.1568738677643@mail.yahoo.com> John? ?Good drive. ?! ?Glad you came out. Not everyone gets Kas signature on car at their first race!!!!! Well done. ? Mordy MDunstHeadgasket.com626.358.1616?Fax?626.628.3777?Triple R Munitions, Inc626.201.9471?TFFL 6,7 SOT 2 On?Tuesday, September 17, 2019,?Jonathan Wright via Fot??wrote: Hello everybody. I just wanted to share the video from my first ever road race in my spitfire! It was an amazing learning experience and even though I had a crummy start, I managed to end up passing every one in my fp class at one point, finishing second, and recovering from a scary moment safely out of turn 9 at Willow Springs International Raceway. It was one of the greatest weekends of my life and I absolutely can?t wait to do it again!?https://youtu.be/pFv7eQSzW4Y Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 18:27:20 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:27:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA schedule for 2020 Message-ID: SVRA has released their racing schedule for 2020. Mid-Ohio event is June 26-28 and Triumph is the Marque plus Kastner Cup. Mark your calendar. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Tue Sep 17 23:41:00 2019 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 08:41:00 +0300 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> Hi Shawn, It was an exciting race at the start. The Mini Marcos was so small Josh could not see him in his mirror but knew he was there so went wide to avoid contact. We were giving away 350 & 400kgs to the Lotus and Mini Marcos with only a little extra power, 10 & 50bhp respectively. Both those cars were well driven and deserved their podiums. Btw, at the prize giving the Duke of Richmond described the TR as being exquisite ?? If we get invited back we will run a little less weight, we were 30kgs over our FIA weight limit, a bit more power and we might even go testing to get the right gear ratios setup; a 4.3:1 axle was not quite right for Goodwood. Anyhow, we are all still smiling happily over the result so thank you to everybody for your support, it has been fantastic. One more thing, the Duke sent a camera crew over who were with us on the Friday and Saturday, seems like there will be a feature video on the Goodwood website and social media coming soon. Thanks all, Keith Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Sep 2019, at 17:27, Shawn Frank wrote: > > A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! > > Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises. > > Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! > > Shawn Frank > The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor > North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner > Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair > Continued Legacy Photo - Owner > Iowa British Car Club > FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 > Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver > 515-339-4228 > > > '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" > '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 > '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files > wrote: > Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. > > But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. > > Keith > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: >> > > Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: >> >> This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. >> Never be beaten by equipment. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: >> It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. >> >> Shawn Frank >> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor >> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner >> Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair >> Continued Legacy Photo - Owner >> Iowa British Car Club >> FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 >> Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver >> 515-339-4228 >> >> >> '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" >> '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 >> '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net >> wrote: >> Send Fot mailing list submissions to >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> fot-request at autox.team.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fot-owner at autox.team.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 >> From: "Charly Mitchel" >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Goodwood >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. >> >> https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ >> >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 >> ************************************* >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskastner at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/keithfiles at btinternet.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Wed Sep 18 07:13:47 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 13:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 In-Reply-To: <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> References: <1207756243.1064860.1568410310901@mail.yahoo.com> <0761D4A9-0919-4151-A8BE-322D6218B58E@btinternet.com> <1343094292.1263719.1568471236498@mail.yahoo.com> <7B8347A6-8069-4C9B-9E8F-6CFACF53619C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <666758248.3102233.1568812427351@mail.yahoo.com> Very IMPRESSIVE. Not often the Chosen Ones describe a TRIUMPH as exquisite. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Keith Files via Fot To: my71spit13 at yahoo.com Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 17, 2019 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 228 Hi Shawn,? It was an exciting race at the start. The Mini Marcos was so small Josh could not see him in his mirror but knew he was there so went wide to avoid contact. We were giving away 350 & 400kgs to the Lotus and Mini Marcos with only a little extra power, 10 & 50bhp respectively. Both those cars were well driven and deserved their podiums. Btw, at the prize giving the Duke of Richmond described the TR as being exquisite ?? If we get invited back we will run a little less weight, we were 30kgs over our FIA weight limit, a bit more power and we might even go testing to get the right gear ratios setup; a 4.3:1 axle was not quite right for Goodwood.? Anyhow, we are all still smiling happily over the result so thank you to everybody for your support, it has been fantastic. One more thing, the Duke sent a camera crew over who were with us on the Friday and Saturday, seems like there will be a feature video on the Goodwood website and social media coming soon.? Thanks all, Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 17:27, Shawn Frank wrote: A beautiful save by Josh! I bet you gasped a little. He sure can drive a car!!! What a great race. Great battle up front and Josh stayed in position and claimed a podium spot his first time on Goodwood. I would say that is a success!!! Nice job representing Triumph! Superb work out of you, Josh, and TR Enterprises.? Kas made that car the perfect basis for an amazing race car! Historic still to this day! Thanks for making my day Keith!!! See you at Mid Ohio!!! Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:31 AM, Keith Files wrote: Josh finished P3, great first meeting at the Revival. If we get invited back we will change the cam, gear ratios and get rid of the 30kgs excess weight we were carrying. But none of that spoils what has been a truly great first time event for us. Keith Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 09:37, Keith Files via Fot wrote: Josh is carrying the live TV feed for the race ? Sent from my iPhone On 14 Sep 2019, at 00:39, Kas Kastner via Fot wrote: This car was originally built in the Comp. Dept. in Gardena California in 1962 along with two others for the 1963 Sebring 12 hour race. Ke th has had it restored beautifully and FAST. Josh if double fast. Never be beaten by equipment. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:31 PM Shawn Frank via Fot wrote: It is Keith Files #38 1963 Sebring TR4 driven by his son Josh Files. He's already at the top times. Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiting Chair Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude" '72 Triumph GT6 MK3 '65 Triumph TR4A "Johnny" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Goodwood (Charly Mitchel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:07:20 -0700 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: Subject: [Fot] Goodwood Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" There is a TR4 racing at Goodwood this year. https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/goodwood-revival/2019/9/2019-goodwood-revival-live-stream/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 19:51:20 2019 From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 01:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Battery again References: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> Wow. I never knew there was so much toconsider about batteries! I'm runnin one of Ted's starters, sowill assume (yeah yeah, I know) that I have one of the stronger stylestarters. Also runnin a generator (the local club is a stickler fororiginality), so need a batt that will accept a charging system sothe lithium option is moot. And thanks to Russ for the link to theever-opiniated ?Scotty? and his rant about Optimas...another onerides the bus. So, I think I will try the Deka AGMbatt that Jason suggests, or the Odessey batt that Chris likes. Does anyone have any further thots oneither of these choices? Lemme no! Gotta ask Ponostyle if his Triumphactually runs as all mine vibrate more than a hookers friend once Iturn my key! ...Vibrationless...hmmm good vibrations?? ? ? ? ? Nick in NorCal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Sep 20 23:20:55 2019 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:20:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Battery again In-Reply-To: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> References: <542237471.4571287.1569030680971.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <542237471.4571287.1569030680971@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Also > runnin a generator (the local club is a stickler for > originality), so need a batt that will accept a charging > system so the lithium option is moot. I haven't really been paying attention, but this caught my eye. Can someone explain to me why a lithium starting battery can't be charged by a DC generator? The original RB106 control box used on TR2-4 probably doesn't control voltage & current well enough, but you can buy a solid state regulator that goes in the same housing, which should have no trouble meeting Li requirements without roasting the generator. And I would think the RB310 control box used on early Spitfire, GT6, etc would need no more than a bit of tweaking to work fine. -- Randall From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Sat Sep 21 14:47:46 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 15:47:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The Kastner Cup 2020 Message-ID: <3E88C017-07D3-41B6-B227-15ADFB9C44E3@gmail.com> Richard Taylor was with us in 2002. Will he return in 2020? Seems right. His race car is also his tow vehicle. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <13b883c7-117f-87c8-ba0d-4091118fb196@tonydrews.com> Watkins Glen Saturday "normal group" Feature: https://youtu.be/ysUeUTvx3m4 Sunday Triumph (previously sent this): https://youtu.be/Rm_CqrQi4vc (racing starts at about the 9:00 minute mark) Sunday "normal group" Feature - probably the most semi-close racing of the Watkins videos: https://youtu.be/J0BImjKhI1A Grattan in August - 5 races, finished in each of the top 5 positions including win in the rain Sunday: Saturday race 1 (probably the best action) 5th place: https://youtu.be/oPlWchBHRqs Saturday race 2 (2nd best of the Grattan videos) 4th place: https://youtu.be/zqcPK-7narA Saturday race 3 (OK, fewer cars to run with) 2nd place: https://youtu.be/zqcPK-7narA Sunday feature race - started raining during pace lap - overall win, but not much action and running very slow due to horrible grip in the wet: https://youtu.be/7WTe8Nz8U_c Sunday "All Comer's race" - combined our groups after most of the competitors left because of the earlier rain - 3rd place finish: https://youtu.be/_Qf9PmYBMFw Regards, Tony Drews From van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be Tue Sep 24 06:58:15 2019 From: van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be (van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Fot] Battery ? In-Reply-To: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> References: <208510388.2328215.1568688326795.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <208510388.2328215.1568688326795@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1968696313.61148665.1569329895346.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be> It's tempting : a Lithium battery, discarding the alternator and an empty fire extinguisher : then I would be at the minimum weight of 851kgs! Marcel Van: "fot" Aan: "fot" Verzonden: Dinsdag 17 september 2019 04:45:26 Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Battery ? I use a lithium. Weighs four lbs. no alternator. 12 cell. No problem past two years. Charges easily with their charger. Voltage at start of 20 min race 13.4 and at end 13.2. Will last all weekend. Assuming your car is in good tune and fires up with minimal crank. MDunst [ http://headgasket.com/ | Headgasket.com ] [ tel:626.358.1616 | 626.358.1616 ] Fax [ tel:626.628.3777 | 626.628.3777 ] Triple R Munitions, Inc [ tel:626.201.9471 | 626.201.9471 ] T FFL 6,7 SOT 2 On Sunday, September 15, 2019, Nick Black via Fot < [ mailto:fot at autox.team.net | fot at autox.team.net ] > wrote: Its time for some new electrons in the Duke of Oil (TR4A as named by Hardy's wife Ellie) and there should be something better than a heavy ole wetcell type. I know some of the Optima batts are popular, but what is the flavour du jour? And will it need some sort of special charger? OR Should I just go get another wetcell type? Thoughts and considerations? 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URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 13:38:54 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers mates Brian #26A Blue/White GT6 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free Test Day* at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) SVRA 1312 Regency Court Southlake, TX 76092 Preferences | Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 13:44:14 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:44:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ mike On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did > for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if > you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty > tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > > *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race > season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with > a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining > 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free > Test Day* at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > > We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the > 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days > before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This > offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. > Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free > Test Day and cancellation waiver. > > *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy > Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* > > *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, > renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on > your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete > your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. > Renew License > > New License (Quick Sign-Up) > > > > SVRA > 1312 Regency Court > Southlake, TX 76092 > Preferences > > | Unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 14:24:48 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing to our attention. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> Hello Brian, >> Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! >> To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. >> This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. >> Renew License >> New License (Quick Sign-Up) >> >> >> >> SVRA >> 1312 Regency Court >> Southlake, TX 76092 >> Preferences | Unsubscribe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They have Volvo as the featured marque > for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: > >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did >> for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if >> you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty >> tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> >> *Hello Brian,**Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race >> season!*To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity >> with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our >> remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one *Free >> Test Day* at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> >> We know that plans change so these early entries are *excluded *from the >> 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days >> before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This >> offer is *only *available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. >> Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free >> Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> >> *If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy >> Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872.* >> >> *This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST*. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, >> renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on >> your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete >> your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. >> Renew License >> >> New License (Quick Sign-Up) >> >> >> >> SVRA >> 1312 Regency Court >> Southlake, TX 76092 >> Preferences >> >> | Unsubscribe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot > wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ mike On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot > wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers mates Brian #26A Blue/White GT6 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano > [http://i1.cmail19.com/ei/t/33/6CD/F96/045722/csfinal/Image1-9900000000079e3c.jpg] Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) [http://i2.cmail19.com/ei/t/33/6CD/F96/045722/csfinal/unnamed-9900000000079e3c.jpg] SVRA 1312 Regency Court Southlake, TX 76092 Preferences | Unsubscribe _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > Hello Brian, > Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! > To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. > If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. > This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. > Renew License > New License (Quick Sign-Up) > > > > SVRA > 1312 Regency Court > Southlake, TX 76092 > Preferences | Unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 14:45:36 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terry, You can still plan on what we discussed. But to avoid anxiety, you can wait until someone from SVRA weighs in. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Terry O?Beirne wrote: > > I was ready to book several international flights so we can attend the Kastner Cup, but I?ll put it on hold till you guys can confirm dates > > Post up their response ASAP please > > Terry > (Australia) > > From: Fot On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot > Sent: 25 September 2019 06:32 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > > The date is wrong as well, looks like this years' info under the 2020 header. BTW, did anyone get their $100 back from the Glen yet? > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:24 PM Joe Alexander wrote: > I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing > to our attention. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. > > https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ > > mike > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: > Hey Triumphers > > Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. > Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. > > I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. > > Cheers mates > Brian > > #26A Blue/White GT6 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tony Parella > Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM > Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits > To: Brian Schirano > > > > Hello Brian, > Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! > To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. > 2020 Event Schedule & Registration > We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. > If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. > This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. > > > Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. 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Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, September 24, 2019,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringingto our attention. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 24 17:58:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits References: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... SVRA is a for profit business, and VOLVO is an active auto manufacturer. ?It is likely they throw some significant dollars to SVRA for having VOLVO featured. ? That's not?an option with TRIUMPH.? It's just business. Now get out there and beat those VOLVOs. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, September 24, 2019,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringingto our attention. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Tue Sep 24 17:58:56 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits References: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> Amici... SVRA is a for profit business, and VOLVO is an active auto manufacturer. ?It is likely they throw some significant dollars to SVRA for having VOLVO featured. ? That's not?an option with TRIUMPH.? It's just business. Now get out there and beat those VOLVOs. Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, September 24, 2019,?Joe Alexander via Fot??wrote: I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringingto our attention. Joe Alexander4505 Donald DrCedar Falls, IA 50613The-vintage-racer.comGasketinnovations.comCell: ?319.464.4711 On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/? mike? On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: Hey Triumphers Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature.?Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. Cheers matesBrian #26A Blue/White GT6? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tony Parella Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits To: Brian Schirano | Hello Brian, Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice?perk is being offered. Register for?any TWO events?on our remaining 2019 and/or?2020 calendar by midnight October 1?and?receive one?Free Test Day at the event of your choice. 2020 Event Schedule & Registration We know that plans change so?these?early entries?are?excluded?from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is?only?available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. ? Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license?to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020?Hard Card will be mailed to you. Renew License New License (Quick Sign-Up) ? ? 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URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 18:21:47 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 19:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits In-Reply-To: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> References: <157074673.6274834.1569369536197.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <157074673.6274834.1569369536197@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Volvo is NOT the FEATURED MARQUE. Trust me. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Amici... > > SVRA is a for profit business, and VOLVO is an active auto manufacturer. It is likely they throw some significant dollars to SVRA for having VOLVO featured. > > That's not an option with TRIUMPH. > > It's just business. > > Now get out there and beat those VOLVOs. > > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > I am pretty sure this will be corrected, shortly. Thank you for bringing > to our attention. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: >> >> Did you look at the SVRA website? They have Volvo as the featured marque for Mid Ohio. >> >> https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/ >> >> mike >> >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:39 PM Brian Schirano via Fot wrote: >> Hey Triumphers >> >> Tony/SVRA is offering the same deal at the 2020 Kastner Cup as they did for the GP at the Glen. Triumphs register for $100 and it gets refunded if you run the feature. >> Also if you register for two events by Oct 1 you get a free T & T. >> >> I'm not crazy about paying so far forward for two events, but it's pretty tempting. >> >> Cheers mates >> Brian >> >> #26A Blue/White GT6 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Tony Parella >> Date: Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:01 PM >> Subject: SVRA 2020 Schedule & Early Registration Benefits >> To: Brian Schirano >> >> >> >> Hello Brian, >> Hindsight is 2020 - We are ready to launch our 2020 race season! >> To get the season started, a special early-entry opportunity with a nice perk is being offered. Register for any TWO events on our remaining 2019 and/or 2020 calendar by midnight October 1 and receive one Free Test Day at the event of your choice. >> 2020 Event Schedule & Registration >> We know that plans change so these early entries are excluded from the 50% cancellation credit policy. Should you need to cancel (up to 14-days before the race), a 100% credit will be applied toward a future race. This offer is only available for new entries completed by October 1, 2019. Two or more events must be entered in a single order to receive the free Test Day and cancellation waiver. >> If you have any questions or need help registering, contact Kathy Swinford at kathy at svra.com or 888-965-7872. >> This offer expires at midnight, October 1, 2019, CST. >> >> >> Just a reminder, if your SVRA competition license expires December 31st, renew your license to take full advantage of additional member discounts on your registration. Or sign up to become a licensed member of SVRA. Complete your renewal online and your 2020 Hard Card will be mailed to you. >> Renew License >> New License (Quick Sign-Up) >> >> >> >> SVRA >> 1312 Regency Court >> Southlake, TX 76092 >> Preferences | Unsubscribe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofracer at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 18:49:10 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:49:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? thanks mike h On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT > > I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > > Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > > Please review to see if I missed anything. > > > https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 19:01:32 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 20:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think they understand the importance of Triumphs at Mid-Ohio. It?s just too early yet. Our Media Maven will be chasing their Media Maven, quite soon. Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Mike Harmuth wrote: > > The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. > Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? > > thanks > mike h > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsondustin at yahoo.com Tue Sep 24 20:20:20 2019 From: nicholsondustin at yahoo.com (dustin nicholson) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1248D14A-C140-4B76-B251-2FDAD1B137D4@yahoo.com> Mike, I once drove The Grand Prize of America track on Hutchison Island in Savannah... in an SUV. I was in the area and just cruising around looking for it when all of a sudden the road I was on got curvy and had red and white stripped roll curbs. My wife and young child went for an unexpected ride as I put the family truckster through it?s paces. Neat little track with good paving set in a little forest, would be a blast in our lite small engined cars. I?ll be going back some day with the Spitfire. Dusty Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote: > > The entry form looks good. The event web page has been changed to a generic one about Md Ohio, with the correct dates. The Volvo as the featured marque has been removed but no reference to the K cup yet. > Thinking about taking SVRA up on their offer of a free track day with any two entries. Has anyone done the Savanna Classic on Hutchinson Island? > > thanks > mike h > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:17 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/nicholsondustin at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *(818) 350-6222 Office* Spoke to him last week about a clutch set up. mike h On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 7:26 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > FOT: > > We have inquiries regarding the rental of cars for the Kastner Cup. > > Need contact information. > > Thank you. > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Sep 25 07:21:11 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 13:21:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Message-ID: I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface. Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested. This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive. Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Sep 25 12:09:14 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:09:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] More on 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, I am not aware of any power being available at the track except in the garages. Second, if you prefer to be paddocked in the grass please still answer my previous questions and also let me know you prefer the grass. I am "hoping" to reserve a section of grass paddock adjoining the blacktop area also. Not guarantees though. Marty ________________________________ From: Fot on behalf of marty via Fot Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface. Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested. This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive. Thanks, Marty Sukey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Sep 25 14:06:06 2019 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:06:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mid-Ohio Paddock Message-ID: Don't get all worked up on the parking of the open trailers. They did tell me that they would need to be parked in the grass but that is part of doing the up front details. Once we have some space requirements figured out and I can dangle we have (X) numbers of cars coming I'm thinking there is some flexibility there. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Wed Sep 25 14:16:48 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:16:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] M Ohio Message-ID: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> For those with simulators or searching track maps, if SVRA sticks to it?s past, they will be using the bus stop between turn 1 & the key hole.... Sent from my iPhone From ofracer at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 15:21:10 2019 From: ofracer at gmail.com (Mike Harmuth) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:21:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] M Ohio In-Reply-To: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> References: <142521BF-C07E-4E7D-AC40-1AB8376D6384@mhc-law.com> Message-ID: >From the Historic Racing Group's website where they have a large collection of track maps in general: http://historicracinggroup.com/reference-material.php In particular- Mid Ohio: http://historicracinggroup.com/resources/Track_Maps/Mid-Ohio.pdf mike h On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 4:17 PM John H. Hasty via Fot wrote: > For those with simulators or searching track maps, if SVRA sticks to it?s > past, they will be using the bus stop between turn 1 & the key hole.... > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ofracer at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 16:52:54 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:52:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA reimbursement for Watkins Glen vintage grand prix Message-ID: Did any TR drivers who raced and finished the Triumph reunion race at the SVRA Watkins Glen earlier this month receive their $100 reimbursement as promised?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bschirano1 at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 18:56:58 2019 From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:56:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SVRA reimbursement for Watkins Glen vintage grand prix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I talked to Kathy Swinford about this when I had questions about Kastner 2020. She was surprised and said she would look into Brian On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 6:53 PM John Styduhar via Fot wrote: > Did any TR drivers who raced and finished the Triumph reunion race at the > SVRA Watkins Glen earlier this month receive their $100 reimbursement as > promised?? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bschirano1 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Sep 26 05:05:19 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 07:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? Thanks Phil Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > FOT > > I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > > Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > > Please review to see if I missed anything. > > > https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > > > > > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 05:44:32 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 06:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> Message-ID: <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Yes! Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: > > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? > Thanks > Phil > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> FOT >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> > From johnstydo at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 06:07:00 2019 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Message-ID: SVRA has on-line registration available for the 2020 SVRA Mid-Ohio event. Easy to do but you need to set up your account with driver and vehicle information. Credit card payment for the $100. On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:44 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > Yes! > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > The-vintage-racer.com > Gasketinnovations.com > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: > > > > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the > weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? > > Thanks > > Phil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: > >> > >> FOT > >> > >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. > >> > >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... > >> > >> Please review to see if I missed anything. > >> > >> > >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> 4505 Donald Dr > >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 > >> The-vintage-racer.com > >> Gasketinnovations.com > >> Cell: 319.464.4711 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Thu Sep 26 07:03:27 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 09:03:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Entry Form In-Reply-To: References: <8FE7AA0A-7713-4B02-BA7A-DE64F3B255AA@gmail.com> <8C215F74-12D2-4876-A768-754D303FC33B@aol.com> <63B73550-D312-441B-9D77-4251665D4075@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B24418C-8CE1-4D7C-B9C6-BD01F7B99621@aol.com> Thanks! See you June 25 to 28th!!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:07 AM, John Styduhar wrote: > > SVRA has on-line registration available for the 2020 SVRA Mid-Ohio event. Easy to do but you need to set up your account with driver and vehicle information. Credit card payment for the $100. > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:44 AM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> Yes! >> >> Joe Alexander >> 4505 Donald Dr >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> The-vintage-racer.com >> Gasketinnovations.com >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Phil Gott wrote: >> > >> > Someone mentioned that the dates are incorrect. I had thought it was the weekend of June 20-21, 2020. Can we please confirm it is June 25-28 2020? >> > Thanks >> > Phil >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: >> >> >> >> FOT >> >> >> >> I see nothing wrong with the entry form. >> >> >> >> Dates or the line item for the Kastner Cup...... >> >> >> >> Please review to see if I missed anything. >> >> >> >> >> >> https://svra.com/dashboard/pdf/entry_form.php?event_ID=586 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> 4505 Donald Dr >> >> Cedar Falls, IA 50613 >> >> The-vintage-racer.com >> >> Gasketinnovations.com >> >> Cell: 319.464.4711 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Thu Sep 26 08:59:15 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:59:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Message-ID: <1411108879.2876.1569509956034@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 10:08:50 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! References: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! <!--#yiv5277580306 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv5277580306 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? Thanks,Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 10:11:26 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Message-ID: <5d8ce335.1c69fb81.b2c36.6fa2@mx.google.com> Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. 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In-Reply-To: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1706634099.7175834.1569514130868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <371131637.8985323.1569516411053@mail.yahoo.com> I remember it well, it took me 3 days to haul the TR-6 up there with the old Land Rover.It was a GREAT weekend!Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; trmarty ; fot Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? Thanks,Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 <!--#yiv1159809611 DIV {margin:0px;}-->Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio <!-- #yiv1159809611 _filtered #yiv1159809611 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1159809611 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv1159809611 #yiv1159809611 p.yiv1159809611MsoNormal, #yiv1159809611 li.yiv1159809611MsoNormal, #yiv1159809611 div.yiv1159809611MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv1159809611 a:link, #yiv1159809611 span.yiv1159809611MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1159809611 .yiv1159809611MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv1159809611 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv1159809611 div.yiv1159809611WordSection1 {} -->Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 13:07:32 2019 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 102, Issue 238 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <594550940.7272378.1569524852070@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry for the misinformation on the Kastner Cup 2020 dates. Igot a reply back from someone answer the info@ emails to the track and they told me the incorrect dates for the Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix, so inevitably I posted those dates in error. My apologies... Shawn Frank The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner Des Moines Concours d'Elegance - Recruiter Continued Legacy Photo - Owner Iowa British Car Club FOT/VTR#94692/NASS#746 Drive Away Cancer Iowa - Driver 515-339-4228 '71 Triumph Spitfire MKIV "Gertrude"'65 Triumph TR4A IRS "Johnny" On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 01:00:05 PM CDT, wrote: Send Fot mailing list submissions to ??? fot at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? fot-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? fot-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! (fubog1) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:46:51 +0000 (UTC) From: fubog1 To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, trmarty at hotmail.com, ??? fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Message-ID: <371131637.8985323.1569516411053 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I remember it well, it took me 3 days to haul the TR-6 up there with the old Land Rover.It was a GREAT weekend!Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; trmarty ; fot Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! Far be it from me to make corrections on fine details.? I can't remember if I had breakfast until I look in the mirror. ? But I believe 1992 is correct.? And, of course, I remember the fine vintage racing in general, your own great performance in particular.? Kas was not there that year.? He was up at Lime Rock killing Porsches.? Bob Tullius was there, and he brought all of the Group 44 equipment, at least one of which, actually showed off out on the track (starting at the back, and quickly moving its way up to the front). ? But the thing I remember most about that event was the number of street Triumphs that showed up.? Those that did were allowed a Track Tour out on the track, and they seemed to be nose to tail all the way around the circuit.? Who can forget Peter Egan's description of the event in the next issue of Road and Track, which started out something like, "I guess I knew that there were that many Triumphs, but who would have thought that they would all show up...". ? Another fact that bares mentioning is how Mid-Ohio stepped up to the plate, as they were shocked at how many folks showed up for the event.? At the Saturday night Track Banquet they ended up feeding a lot more people than they could have planned for.? But they pulled it off.? I remember the line waiting to get to the food.? It seemed to be a mile long, from the tent down near the false grid, all the way back up to the grassy paddock area.? And who do you think was at the end of the line?? Bob Tullius!? I asked him, "Bob!? You're a VIP.? You belong at the head of the line."? He looked at me and said something like, "Nope!? I'm happy here.? I do not want to miss of second of this." It was a very special event. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: marty ; FOT Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv8199868495 #yiv8199868495 Marty, Thanks for working on this so early!? And, a great idea.I just cant imagine not making the event.? I was at the first Mid O Triumph gathering back in ....I think....'92?? Dentinger can correct me if I'm wrong.? And, I have a checkered flag signed by all the corner workers to prove it. So, in the order you requestedMike JacksonTruck measures 21' from nose to end of the hitchTrailer measures 27' from hitch to closed back doorAwning on side of trailer reaches out maybe 6 or 7 ftNot staying at the trackcertainly interested in dinner Friday for as many as 4 heads Mike Jackson - 62 TR3? -----Original Message----- From: marty via Fot Sent: Sep 25, 2019 9:21 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] 2020 KASTNER CUP FIRST CALL / info needed! #yiv8199868495 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I was going to wait until after the first of the year to do this but figured that it might be a good idea to start now while people are thinking about it and before your rigs are put away for the winter. I had a meeting earlier in the year with SVRA regarding our paddock spots. We will have our own spot on paved surface.? Open trailers will be required to park in the grass .It will be in the upper paddock but will be "concentrated" as the paved paddocks are not all that expansive. If it rains a bunch like it did this year and the track closes off the grass paddocks things will get cozy. SVRA will work with us and I have agreed to provide them with some counts and space requirements in advance. Hopefully this will make things go smoother once we arrive. So, here is what I need from you if you are planning on attending. 1) name, 2) tow vehicle size, 3) trailer size, 4) awning/canopy size, 5) will you be staying at the track in your rig? 6) would you be interested in having our own FOT dinner Friday evening for around $25 a head?? This is not a commitment to attend on your part but will make the planning process much easier so if you are just thinking you will be there please reply or email me direct at trmarty at hotmail.com. Info will be used to size our paddock and determine how big of tent we will need to rent. The Friday night dinner is just in the investigation stages but I need to know how many people might be interested.? This event is looking to be a pretty big deal so I am hoping to do a bunch of pre-event work with SVRA well in advance so things go smoothly once we arrive.? 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I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at web9.com Thu Sep 26 15:58:37 2019 From: bownes at web9.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 21:58:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Too much cold can have a very negative effect on the fuel bladder and flexible lines. And even a small amount can ice up the carb. https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/mc-mc.nsf/eng/lm00129.html You might, might be able to get an extra 1-2% with a 15-30? change, but don't go too far, especially if it is humid. On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 9:51 PM Barr, Scott via Fot wrote: > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road > America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every > 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some > quick competition out there. > > > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 26 16:12:18 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 16:16:35 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 17:16:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> Smokey Yunick Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) _____ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjanzen at me.com Thu Sep 26 17:10:14 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Chris Marx via Fot > Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT > To: "fot at autox. team. net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Or roll cage. > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 26 17:38:33 2019 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:38:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Message-ID: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. JVV From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Marx via Fot Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com Or roll cage. Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Sep 26 17:41:36 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 23:41:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: 7.2 gallons max. And they have the same problem, but I want to be one step ahead of them in solving it :-) Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:22:19 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel They may have the same issue as you and have to soft pedal too. Is there a size limit on fuel cells that says 7.2 gallons max, or do some of the fast guys have larger capacity? If all the same develop a strategy especially if you can do a fuel stop. I recall and I think it was Mark Donahue in Trans Am that did a fuel stop much earlier than the rest of the racers and ran away at the end when others needed to stop for fuel. His book I think the title was something like ?An Unfair Advantage? detailed how he out thought his competitors in many details. If you have never read the book do so, it?s worth the read on history of a great racer. He didn?t put fuel in his frame however. Left us far too early. JVV From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:14 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack Subject: RE: [Fot] Cold Fuel If only I could do that by Saturday? From: Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:12 PM To: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. Scott (B.) ________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 26 18:04:33 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:04:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever.? There were many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already mentioned fragrant incident.? I wonder if I still have the well worn and tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house?? I know I've told this tale before, but.... Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to the pregrid.? All the others made their way to the bleachers there at the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already.? Everybody was yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap.? It got REAL quiet all of a sudden in the stands.? Well, not counting the roar of the engines rolling by on the track.? I don't think there was a dry eye out there, it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. It was a great beginning. Writing that just now brought up another memory.? As some of you may recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while.? It was one of the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other on-line options opened up as the network grew.? But a bit over a year after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included portions of this email from well before 2002. http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." mjb. ps:? It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet ghosts.? See you all at Mid Ohio. From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 18:19:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 00:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Jerry Van Vlack via Fot??wrote: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see.JVV?From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PMTo: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel?Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Marx via Fot Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com #yiv6248867048 v\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 o\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 w\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048shape {}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 -- _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 11 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 a:link, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlink {color:#0563c1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 a:visited, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlinkfollowed {color:#954f72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal0 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:black;position:relative;letter-spacing:0pt;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage21 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048msochpdefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048wordsection1 {}#yiv6248867048 Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? Scott (B.) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 18:19:31 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 00:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Jerry Van Vlack via Fot??wrote: I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see.JVV?From: Scott Janzen via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PMTo: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel?Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Chris Marx via Fot Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT To: "fot at autox. team. net" Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com #yiv6248867048 v\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 o\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 w\00003a* {}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048shape {}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 -- _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {font-family:tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {panose-1:2 11 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv6248867048 #yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 a:link, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlink {color:#0563c1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 a:visited, #yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048msohyperlinkfollowed {color:#954f72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6248867048 p.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 li.yiv6248867048msonormal0, #yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048msonormal0 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:black;position:relative;letter-spacing:0pt;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;}#yiv6248867048 span.yiv6248867048e-mailformatvorlage21 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv6248867048 .yiv6248867048msochpdefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6248867048 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv6248867048 div.yiv6248867048wordsection1 {}#yiv6248867048 Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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URL: From tr3a58dean at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 18:30:48 2019 From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? Dean Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 8:04 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever.? There were many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already mentioned fragrant incident.? I wonder if I still have the well worn and tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house?? I know I've told this tale before, but.... Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to the pregrid.? All the others made their way to the bleachers there at the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already.? Everybody was yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap.? It got REAL quiet all of a sudden in the stands.? Well, not counting the roar of the engines rolling by on the track.? I don't think there was a dry eye out there, it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. It was a great beginning. Writing that just now brought up another memory.? As some of you may recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while.? It was one of the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other on-line options opened up as the network grew.? But a bit over a year after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included portions of this email from well before 2002. http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." mjb. ps:? It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet ghosts.? See you all at Mid Ohio. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3a58dean at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Sep 26 18:42:22 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:42:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> <3f7446f9-1abb-1adb-bc07-8c34247dab2d@bradakis.com> <5d8d583b.1c69fb81.1b913.d562@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9402ea1d-b783-7523-d911-440d3929a5fa@bradakis.com> On 9/26/19 6:30 PM, Dean wrote: > > Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? > > Dean > Past my bedtime.? Getting confused, my mistake.? Need to take a nap before I go to work in a few hours. mjb. From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Thu Sep 26 18:59:20 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:59:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio Message-ID: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at artwithcars.com Thu Sep 26 19:57:37 2019 From: steve at artwithcars.com (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1800337288.8823.1569545960542@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <072168B9-A9F1-437C-9902-9272CF06A7F5@artwithcars.com> In 1992 there was oil in the esses and we all spun out ~Steve > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Ah, time fades all into one. you could easily be right! I dont think Jeff was racing at that level in '92. > Sometimes I cant figure out if I'm 40 or 80 yrs old. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 8:30 PM > To: Mark J Bradakis , "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Wasn?t the hitting of the skunk in 2002 and not 1992? > > Dean > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mark J Bradakis via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 8:04 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio > > That event left me with one of my fondest memories ever. There were > many from that weekend, like rattle can paint repairs and the already > mentioned fragrant incident. I wonder if I still have the well worn and > tattered T shirt stashed somewhere in the house? I know I've told this > tale before, but.... > > Anyway, the feature race was getting close, the drivers headed out to > the pregrid. All the others made their way to the bleachers there at > the final turn before the start/finish line. There was just SO MUCH > energy in the crowd, such an incredible event already. Everybody was > yakking away in spirited animation. That is until the amazing field of > gathered Triumphs came into view on the pace lap. It got REAL quiet all > of a sudden in the stands. Well, not counting the roar of the engines > rolling by on the track. I don't think there was a dry eye out there, > it was just such an incredible, emotional sight to see what started as a > dream become a reality, to see that impressive collection of Triumphs > roaring by en masse on their way to the green flag. > > It was a great beginning. > > Writing that just now brought up another memory. As some of you may > recall there was a vintage-race at autox list for a while. It was one of > the ones that got pruned due to lack of interest, as so many other > on-line options opened up as the network grew. But a bit over a year > after that Mid Ohio event I wrote a message to that list, which included > portions of this email from well before 2002. > > http://autox.team.net/html/fot/1998-09/msg00000.html > > "Those old men and women along the road remember. They weren't waving to > us. They were waving to the ghosts of those who once drove our cars > absolutely as fast as they knew how to go." > > mjb. > > ps: It's nice that most of us are still flesh and blood, not yet > ghosts. 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URL: From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Sep 26 20:26:37 2019 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:26:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: > > Or roll cage. > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Jerry Van > Vlack via Fot > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > *An:* Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your > frame. > > *From:*Barr, Scott via Fot > > *Sent:*Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > *To:*fot at autox.team.net > > *Subject:*[Fot] Cold Fuel > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at > Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 > gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but > there is some quick competition out there. > > Scott (B.) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr4abrad at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 20:28:22 2019 From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:28:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Funny this came up today: https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > >> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: >> >> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. >> JVV >> >> From: Scott Janzen via Fot >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM >> To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel >> >> Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Chris Marx via Fot >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> > > Or roll cage. > > > > Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > > Scott (B.) > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkrantz77 at comcast.net Thu Sep 26 20:38:58 2019 From: rkrantz77 at comcast.net (Ron KRANTZ) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> References: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> Actually what Smokey did was Drilled holes in the frame rails so tech knew he wasn't putting fuel there but they didn't look at what was inside the frame rail. He put 2 inch radiator hose in there for a fuel line. The rule was for fuel cell capacity but no rule for the fuel line size. When I ran SCCA nationals at Road America in the 70's I had a 6 gallon cell, the races were 15 laps plus parade lap and cool off lap (68 total miles). I was getting 10 miles/gallon and never ran out of fuel. How you ask... Saturday night we drained the cell, drank all the beer and put the gas cans in the cooler. Fueled the car and pushed it to grid Sunday morning. Before we would get to the grid the fuel cell was pissing out the overflow from the fuel expanding in less than 5 minutes. Ron Krantz ReK Racing #77 > On September 26, 2019 at 6:16 PM Joe Alexander via Fot wrote: > > Smokey Yunick > > Joe Alexander > 4505 Donald Dr > Cedar Falls, IA 50613http://The-vintage-racer.com > > http://Gasketinnovations.com > > Cell: 319.464.4711 > > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > wrote: > > > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > > > > > > Scott (B.) > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkrantz77 at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bownes at seiri.com Thu Sep 26 18:06:30 2019 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:06:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <2948D416-AED2-4EEC-9EC8-4BAAE39B9E91@me.com> Message-ID: Smokey had some good tricks up his sleeve. I think one was enough fuel line to hold about a gallon of fuel that was wound back and forth in the roll cage. My favorite was, after they put in restrictor plates, he used the biggest studs he could to hold the carbs down, hollowed them out, filled them with wax, painted them black, and rolled the car over to Tech. They took the carb off, put on the restrictor plate, and sealed it up. Of course once it came up to temp, he had about 3/4? more airflow into the engine than everyone else...Said it took several races before they caught on. > On Sep 26, 2019, at 19:38, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > From: Scott Janzen via Fot > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Chris Marx via Fot >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> >> Or roll cage. >> >> >> >> Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot >> Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 >> An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> >> >> >> Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. >> >> >> >> From: Barr, Scott via Fot >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM >> >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> >> Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> >> >> >> So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. >> >> >> >> Scott (B.) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lunkercars at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 22:25:32 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Message-ID: <796A70F2-B67B-4E61-AFEA-A78E2852D7C9@yahoo.com> Don?t have much to contribute these days so I?m mostly silent here. But every once in awhile a thread sparks something I?m compelled to reply to. In 1971 my father did the London to Victoria (BC Canada) air race. The stranglehold (for all) was going to be refueling in Greenland (maybe Iceland - I?m not sure). There were only two fuel pumps and all the planes would be coming in at about the same time and out as fast as possible. With the aux tank in the back seat, about 180 gallons were required. Months in advance, Dad contacted a guy with a pick-up and sent him a waterbed. Pick-up guy met him at the end of the airstrip, and (hand) pumped a full load into the Comanche 400T. To the amazement of all, they were in and out in record time! But I digress... To get to the start of the race, he and copilot Bill, had to fly the plane from Seattle to London. Actually not a problem (other than the foaming of the runway at the Piper factory en-route for a wheels-up landing that never transpired). On the trip east, they had mostly calm air at high altitude. But shortly after the start in London they got into some turbulence and flew a lower altitude than wanted (optimum cruising altitude was 24-32k? (single engine prop plane and on oxygen). Dad was always a heavy smoker. About 50 miles from the start, his copilot Bill smelled gas. Dad wasn?t worried and lit another cigarette. In the next round of turbulence, Bill looked into the back seat (aux tank area) and saw a HUGE stream of fuel coming out of a vent line! Crazy as it made my dad, he didn?t smoke again on that leg - or at least until that tank was exhausted. Point being that at the lower altitude and with warmer temps, the fuel expand quite a bit! That?s why dad would always refuel the night before a cross-country trip and why there was often fuel dripping on the hanger floor in the morning before we headed out. Make no mistake... gasoline expands a lot! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:.28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > --Apple-Mail-3E6638B7-D692-4FF1-A2BE-3AA870E70F66 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot w= > rote: >> =20 >> =EF=BB=BFSmokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. >> Bill Dentinger >> =20 >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> =20 >>> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot net> wrote: >>> =20 >>> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked c= > orrect. Don=E2=80=99t recall if he got caught before he From lunkercars at yahoo.com Thu Sep 26 22:25:32 2019 From: lunkercars at yahoo.com (Greg Hilyer) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel Message-ID: <796A70F2-B67B-4E61-AFEA-A78E2852D7C9@yahoo.com> Don?t have much to contribute these days so I?m mostly silent here. But every once in awhile a thread sparks something I?m compelled to reply to. In 1971 my father did the London to Victoria (BC Canada) air race. The stranglehold (for all) was going to be refueling in Greenland (maybe Iceland - I?m not sure). There were only two fuel pumps and all the planes would be coming in at about the same time and out as fast as possible. With the aux tank in the back seat, about 180 gallons were required. Months in advance, Dad contacted a guy with a pick-up and sent him a waterbed. Pick-up guy met him at the end of the airstrip, and (hand) pumped a full load into the Comanche 400T. To the amazement of all, they were in and out in record time! But I digress... To get to the start of the race, he and copilot Bill, had to fly the plane from Seattle to London. Actually not a problem (other than the foaming of the runway at the Piper factory en-route for a wheels-up landing that never transpired). On the trip east, they had mostly calm air at high altitude. But shortly after the start in London they got into some turbulence and flew a lower altitude than wanted (optimum cruising altitude was 24-32k? (single engine prop plane and on oxygen). Dad was always a heavy smoker. About 50 miles from the start, his copilot Bill smelled gas. Dad wasn?t worried and lit another cigarette. In the next round of turbulence, Bill looked into the back seat (aux tank area) and saw a HUGE stream of fuel coming out of a vent line! Crazy as it made my dad, he didn?t smoke again on that leg - or at least until that tank was exhausted. Point being that at the lower altitude and with warmer temps, the fuel expand quite a bit! That?s why dad would always refuel the night before a cross-country trip and why there was often fuel dripping on the hanger floor in the morning before we headed out. Make no mistake... gasoline expands a lot! Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM > On Sep 26, 2019, at 8:.28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: > > --Apple-Mail-3E6638B7-D692-4FF1-A2BE-3AA870E70F66 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot w= > rote: >> =20 >> =EF=BB=BFSmokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. >> Bill Dentinger >> =20 >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> =20 >>> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot net> wrote: >>> =20 >>> I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked c= > orrect. Don=E2=80=99t recall if he got caught before he From sjanzen at me.com Fri Sep 27 05:35:00 2019 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 07:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel expansion rate In-Reply-To: References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> Found this on line. Looks like if the gas started at 50 degrees it would expand from 7.2 gallons to 7.28 gallons at 70 degrees. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/volumetric-temperature-expansion-d_315.html Looks like a big fuel line would give more of an edge, or coming in early a quick stop for 10 seconds to add a gallon of fuel. No idea how accessible refueling is on a SRF. On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot wrote: Funny this came up today: https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ Brad Eells Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > From: Scott Janzen via Fot <> > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <> > Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Chris Marx via Fot < <>fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT >> To: "fot at autox. team. net" < <>fot at autox.team.net > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel >> Reply-To: <>tr4racing at googlemail.com >> > > Or roll cage. > > > Von: Fot < <>fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot > Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > An: Barr, Scott < <>sbarr at McCarty-Law.com >; <>fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. > > > From: Barr, Scott via Fot > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > To: <>fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. > > > Scott (B.) > > _______________________________________________ > <>fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > >> _______________________________________________ >> <>fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive? http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rkramer56 at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 07:20:27 2019 From: rkramer56 at gmail.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 08:20:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel expansion rate In-Reply-To: <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> References: <1921203539.121748.1569543571085@mail.yahoo.com> <97D5EB46-197E-4F5B-A62B-FF0C800AB97F@me.com> Message-ID: I run a construction equipment dealership here in Austin and we put in a concrete parking lot this spring. We used to park the equipment on the dirt and never noticed fuel "growth" issues in the past, but it sure is obvious on concrete. We had a lot of 100 degree days this summer. We have a lot of large tanks approaching 100 gallon and with fuel filled at 75 degrees in the morning we had to drain off multiple gallons at 5 PM when it started spilling out the cap vents. Bob Kramer On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 6:35 AM Scott Janzen via Fot wrote: > Found this on line. Looks like if the gas started at 50 degrees it would > expand from 7.2 gallons to 7.28 gallons at 70 degrees. > > https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/volumetric-temperature-expansion-d_315.html > Looks like a big fuel line would give more of an edge, or coming in early > a quick stop for 10 seconds to add a gallon of fuel. No idea how > accessible refueling is on a SRF. > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Brad Eells via Fot > wrote: > > Funny this came up today: > > https://vintageracecar.com/cool-fuel-penske-and-the-art-of-refuelling/2/ > > Brad Eells > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot > wrote: > > ?Smokey signed all of our event posters at that 1992 event. > Bill Dentinger > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < > fot at autox.team.net> wrote: > > I think Smokey Yunick also built a scaled down Chevy Malibu that looked > correct. Don?t recall if he got caught before he raced it however. I guess > he was good at bending the rules. One of the Nascar tracks has a section in > their museum devoted to what?s been discovered as cheating over the years. > It?s pretty interesting to see. > JVV > > *From:* Scott Janzen via Fot > *Sent:* Thursday, September 26, 2019 7:10 PM > *To:* 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > *Subject:* [Fot] Fwd: Cold Fuel > > Both ideas sound like fun in an accident. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Chris Marx via Fot > *Date:* September 26, 2019 at 6:22:18 PM EDT > *To:* "fot at autox. team. net" > *Subject:* *Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel* > *Reply-To:* tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Or roll cage. > > > *Von:* Fot *Im Auftrag von *Jerry Van Vlack > via Fot > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 > *An:* Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net > *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your > frame. > > > *From:* Barr, Scott via Fot > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM > > *To:* fot at autox.team.net > > *Subject:* [Fot] Cold Fuel > > > So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant > affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road > America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every > 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some > quick competition out there. > > > Scott (B.) > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive > http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4abrad at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer56 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story? from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv9529432044 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv9529432044 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv9529432044 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv9529432044 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9529432044 p.yiv9529432044MsoNormal, #yiv9529432044 li.yiv9529432044MsoNormal, #yiv9529432044 div.yiv9529432044MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9529432044 a:link, #yiv9529432044 span.yiv9529432044MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9529432044 .yiv9529432044MsoChpDefault {}#yiv9529432044 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv9529432044 div.yiv9529432044WordSection1 {}#yiv9529432044 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:34:53 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:34:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> Message-ID: Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there's big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ;fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To:fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? 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URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:40:37 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:40:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <706069307.348974.1569595174941@mail.yahoo.com> References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net> <706069307.348974.1569595174941@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And the SRF rules are pretty clear that?s not permitted? From: Gary Schneider Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:40 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Smokey? I don't recall the MC GCR specifying fuel line diameter, but where ya gonna find those 2" to 1/4" adapters on a Friday? Gary Schneider On Friday, September 27, 2019, 9:35:01 AM CDT, Barr, Scott via Fot > wrote: Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there?s big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) From: Fot > On Behalf Of Bill Tobin via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel A friend of mine used to be a weekend crewman for Bud Moore. They got caught with a false floor in the car, with coils of copper tubing between the floors for more gas capacity. Only got caught because the line chafed through and started leaking. It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught. Cheers, Bill On 9/26/2019 6:22 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote: Or roll cage. ? Von: Fot Im Auftrag von Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Gesendet: Freitag, 27. September 2019 00:12 An: Barr, Scott ; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. ? From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel ? So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume?? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes.? I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. ? 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URL: From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri Sep 27 08:46:30 2019 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 14:46:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> References: <809B98C3-960C-4784-9500-509A36180DFA@gmail.com> <391776050.1791279.1569551938252@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Exactly what I had in mind!! The last enduro I ran at Road America was at the SCCA Divisional there a month or so ago and I used up most of my 7.2 gallons in 60 minutes. The ambient temperature was maybe 75 degrees F (so, fuel in jugs likely the same), so I wondered if I cooled it down to, say, 35 degrees F how much extra fuel (density) I could get into the cell. Based on the formulas sent to me by several helpful FOT?rs, the math says I could get a little extra fuel density, but not enough to make a difference. I?ll just have to soft-pedal it and hope I can do that and go faster than the other guys or that they don?t and have to make an extra stop. Also, I remember Kas? story about putting plastic water bottles into a fuel tank in the TR4s to meet the volume limit and later discovering that the plastic had failed and they actually had more volume during the race than anticipated. Good story. Scott (B.) From: Fot On Behalf Of Ron KRANTZ via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:39 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Actually what Smokey did was Drilled holes in the frame rails so tech knew he wasn't putting fuel there but they didn't look at what was inside the frame rail. He put 2 inch radiator hose in there for a fuel line. The rule was for fuel cell capacity but no rule for the fuel line size. When I ran SCCA nationals at Road America in the 70's I had a 6 gallon cell, the races were 15 laps plus parade lap and cool off lap (68 total miles). I was getting 10 miles/gallon and never ran out of fuel. How you ask... Saturday night we drained the cell, drank all the beer and put the gas cans in the cooler. Fueled the car and pushed it to grid Sunday morning. Before we would get to the grid the fuel cell was pissing out the overflow from the fuel expanding in less than 5 minutes. Ron Krantz ReK Racing #77 On September 26, 2019 at 6:16 PM Joe Alexander via Fot > wrote: Smokey Yunick Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 On Sep 26, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack via Fot < fot at autox.team.net> wrote: Do what one of the Nascar guys did and plumb some extra fuel into your frame. From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 5:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel So, how cold does the fuel have to be in order to have any significant affect on volume? I need to make 7.2 gallons of fuel go 75 minutes at Road America this weekend, where I typically burn a bit more than 1 gallon every 10 minutes. I could soft-pedal it to save some fuel, but there is some quick competition out there. 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URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Sep 27 10:29:14 2019 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 16:29:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cold Fuel In-Reply-To: References: <009701d574b8$dc6049c0$9520dd40$@gmail.com> <5fa8f6f1-d07c-8b6e-fd8b-adf5492ca794@verizon.net>, Message-ID: In answer to this I would like to see the results of engine capacity pump downs for the big bore/Trans Am type cars. My ears don?t lie to me. Terry Stetler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barr, Scott via Fot Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 10:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cold Fuel Nah, cheating would take all the fun out of the competition. People cheat where there?s big money at stake. We race for bragging rights and little plastic trophies, and who wants to brag about a win you cheated to get?? Scott (B.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Sep 26 14:50:21 2019 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:50:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 3:47 PM Spitfire Racing via Fot wrote: > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the > fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > > > *No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of > darkness.* > > > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > Hard to believe that that skunk is dead 27+ years. ;-) Irv Korey Corner worker at 1 and 3, Mid Ohio 1992 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Like I said, the stories of that event are endless. here's the one that relates to the photo. > During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track. It was a nice day. > Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day. One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track. > Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3. He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3. > Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car! Jeff was not amused. > > The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning. btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. > > Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! > > On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" > > So many memories! Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. > > I just registered for 2020. Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM > To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > > russ > > > > > Image-34 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 20233 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 21:29:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 03:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. ?I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Mike Jackson via Fot??wrote: #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 Like I said, the stories of that event are endless.? here's the one that relates to the photo.During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track.? It was a nice day.Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day.? One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track.Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3.? He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3.Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car!? Jeff was not amused. The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning.? btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" So many memories!? Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle?? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. I just registered for 2020.? Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- _filtered #yiv6020273614 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 a:link, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 a:visited, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614BalloonTextChar {}#yiv6020273614 .yiv6020273614MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614WordSection1 {}#yiv6020273614 Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! ? 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Name: Untitled URL: From billdentin at aol.com Thu Sep 26 21:29:36 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 03:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. ?I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Thursday, September 26, 2019,?Mike Jackson via Fot??wrote: #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6020273614 Like I said, the stories of that event are endless.? here's the one that relates to the photo.During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track.? It was a nice day.Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day.? One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track.Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3.? He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3.Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car!? Jeff was not amused. The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning.? btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" So many memories!? Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle?? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. I just registered for 2020.? Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 -- _filtered #yiv6020273614 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv6020273614 #yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoNormal, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 a:link, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 a:visited, #yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6020273614 p.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 li.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate, #yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv6020273614 span.yiv6020273614BalloonTextChar {}#yiv6020273614 .yiv6020273614MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv6020273614 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6020273614 div.yiv6020273614WordSection1 {}#yiv6020273614 Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! ? 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Name: Untitled URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Sep 27 05:41:44 2019 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <664302860.106306.1569584504550.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <664302860.106306.1569584504550@mail.yahoo.com> I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv5469210639 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv5469210639 p.yiv5469210639MsoNormal, #yiv5469210639 li.yiv5469210639MsoNormal, #yiv5469210639 div.yiv5469210639MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv5469210639 a:link, #yiv5469210639 span.yiv5469210639MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5469210639 .yiv5469210639MsoChpDefault {}#yiv5469210639 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv5469210639 div.yiv5469210639WordSection1 {}#yiv5469210639 #yiv5469210639 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DCP_8461.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 96276 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He was putting it out.Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Friday, September 27, 2019,?fubog1??wrote: I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 #yiv1699040232 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv1699040232 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio #yiv1699040232 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv1699040232 filtered {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv1699040232 p.yiv1699040232MsoNormal, #yiv1699040232 li.yiv1699040232MsoNormal, #yiv1699040232 div.yiv1699040232MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1699040232 a:link, #yiv1699040232 span.yiv1699040232MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1699040232 .yiv1699040232MsoChpDefault {}#yiv1699040232 filtered {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv1699040232 div.yiv1699040232WordSection1 {}#yiv1699040232 Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Fri Sep 27 10:59:25 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (Phil Gott) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 12:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1466121833.201035.1569554976791.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1466121833.201035.1569554976791@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70F8F5CC-463D-4F37-90F0-9CB2033F7114@aol.com> https://images.app.goo.gl/CLRWjZkmxKs17hwu5 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > > Mid-Ohio?s position on Golf Carts is defendable. I know for a fact that the vast majority of race track law suits involve golf carts and not racing. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Like I said, the stories of that event are endless. here's the one that relates to the photo. > During a session Jeff Snook and I were having a lovely time chasing each other around the track. It was a nice day. > Apparently it was also a nice day for the Skunk family to be out enjoying the day. One decided to investigate what was on the other side of the track. > Sadly (no 1) he didnt time his move very well and suddenly appeared in front of a certain red TR3. He subsequently disappeared underneath said TR3. > Sadly (no 2) Jeff was following me and one can only guess where said skunk ended up after exiting the underside of my car! Jeff was not amused. > > The author of this most recent note, Russ Moore, created the effigy of a skunk sometime after the end of the racing day using racer tape and put it on my car for all to discover the next morning. btw, it stayed on my car for several years until the tape finally failed. > > Back in those days, and likely now, MO both rented golf carts AND charged you a fee to use your own and not rent theirs! > > On the grid on Sunday a grid marshal came over to me, with Glen standing alongside to swear to the story, and says "you know the track has a $100 fee for every dead skunk, even if you bring your own" > > So many memories! Anyone remember the temporary tattoos I had made and in particular the one that went on Jack Woehrle? Dont think I'd ever seen skin that white. > > I just registered for 2020. Now I guess I have to fill out their various forms attesting to having a legal TR3. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 4:46 PM > To: 'Mike Jackson' , 'fubog1' , 'Jeff Snook' > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: 1992 at Mid Ohio > > Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics! > > > > No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness. > > > > I leave Mike to tell the tale????????????? > > > > russ > > > > > > > > > > Image-34 > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Fri Sep 27 11:40:39 2019 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:40:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR Message-ID: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhasty at mhc-law.com Fri Sep 27 11:54:43 2019 From: jhasty at mhc-law.com (John H. Hasty) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:54:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Charley Message-ID: <21B0CC5D-B9AE-44E2-984E-17AB51755289@mhc-law.com> It was a Lotis 7 when I first met him... and before the catering bus. He was on the crew of the 1st US nuke submarine...really a nice guy even though he now drives that Jap thingy Sent from my iPhone From joealexandervintage at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 12:03:31 2019 From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:03:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <775EE478-994E-49C1-8992-408ECD62B9A5@gmail.com> FOT does not have a mascot. Maybe it could be: Skunk Alligator Bat ??? Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com Cell: 319.464.4711 > On Sep 27, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: > > Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. > Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU > > Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. > That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. > > And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back! > > And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM > To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... > Strange dream. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I just love that picture! > > I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM > To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 at att.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! > And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... > Glen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. > > I was there. I seen it. > > They waved, when they went by. > > Bill Dentinger. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. > > I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. But, here's my favorite.. > Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. > > Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" > > Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio > > Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo > Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/joealexandervintage at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangoughv at hotmail.com Fri Sep 27 13:15:51 2019 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:15:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. Priceless Thanks for sharing... Vince On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back! And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... Strange dream. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I just love that picture! I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... Glen [Kates & gator & TR.jpg] -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo >; tr3a58dean >; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. I was there. I seen it. They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean >; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. But, here's my favorite.. Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. 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We were laughing so hard while we did it that it was difficult to line everything up in the light of the dim flashlight we had. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Spitfire Racing; 'Mike Jackson'; 'fubog1'; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio I also recall hearing Mike?s laughter when he saw the skunk the next morning, he really enjoyed the joke. From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:15 PM To: Spitfire Racing ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio That was actually 2002 I believe, one year before the start of the Kastner Cup. 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URL: From amrenno1 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 29 15:15:33 2019 From: amrenno1 at yahoo.com (Mark Wheatley) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 21:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 In-Reply-To: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <588758158.7214.1569522906633@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1201064160.901911.1569791733093@mail.yahoo.com> It was great for me to be reminded with many of these recollections. I knew pieces and parts, was at Mid Ohio in 2002 just getting started so was fortunate enough to participate. But the best for me was the sharing of the conversation between Sandy and Betty.? Man if only she knew!!? I knew from the beginning Charlie was all in.? If he was you know Mike was as well.? I learned quickly of Charlies efforts and decided to maintain not change.? That has paid huge dividends for me and to this day I annually reap the benefits? and? always am thankful for his commitments, efforts and engineering. I have had Charlies car for over 20 years and I suspect it is not much different today than it was when I acquired it. That says it all for me. I will be at Mid Ohio, I am expecting? the same great fun described within this thread. Mark On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 2:35:24 PM EDT, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/amrenno1 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Sep 29 21:03:30 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 21:03:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38ef02c9-d9a7-c673-33a3-8ffc603d40f7@bradakis.com> I believe I mentioned this place before, I may try to work it into my schedule. http://www.ageofsteamroundhouse.org/ mjb. From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 30 05:44:46 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup References: <1357015654.832691.1569843886304.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1357015654.832691.1569843886304@mail.yahoo.com> Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup <!--#yiv2717376131 .yiv2717376131EmailQuote {margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#800000 2px solid;}-->Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We mighthave a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list.?Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ?Terry O?BeirneAustralia ????_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vfracing at aol.com Mon Sep 30 05:45:51 2019 From: vfracing at aol.com (vfracing at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup <!--#yiv6896410682 .yiv6896410682EmailQuote {margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#800000 2px solid;}-->Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We mighthave a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list.?Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ?Terry O?BeirneAustralia ????_______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutztr4 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 08:44:42 2019 From: stutztr4 at gmail.com (Bruce Stutzman) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:44:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Since we are telling Charlie Kates stories: Bill Fornwalt and I were racing a TR4 in SVRA events in the mid 80s. Charlie and his friend Bill Clark approached me at the 1986 VTR national. Charlie wanted to go racing and did so with much enthusiasm. He became Ken Gillanders' eastern test bed. Any new hot racing part that Ken got Charlie got it first. If it was going to fail or cause damage to the car Ken made sure the driver (Charlie) was thousands of miles away and could only reach him by phone and not by the neck. Bruce On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:16 PM Vince G via Fot wrote: > Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. Priceless Thanks for > sharing... > > Vince > > On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot > wrote: > > Yea, not a dream. Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here > in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit. > Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but > he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber > alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box > playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Comets > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU > > Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some > 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by. > That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which > we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. > > And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years > until after his wife passed away. Out of the blue he calls me years later > and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to > racing" He was interested in finding another TR4 and I located one in the > Midwest to send him to see. Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got > there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a > different Brit car but at least we got him back! > > And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about > whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female. But seriously, think about > it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female? Me neither and I've > seen a bundle of 'em down here. Including the one that used to live in my > pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM > To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof > inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR... > Strange dream. > Glen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson > To: fubog1 > Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I just love that picture! > > I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story from PBIR or the > Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all > take much too much explanation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fubog1 > Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM > To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com, > fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 at att.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office! > And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets... > Glen > [image: Kates & gator & TR.jpg] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Dentinger via Fot > To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean < > tr3a58dean at gmail.com>; fot > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. > > I was there. I seen it. > > They waved, when they went by. > > Bill Dentinger. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Jackson via Fot > To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: charlie106 > Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am > Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 > > Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley. > It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. > > I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend. > But, here's my favorite.. > Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now. > We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long > and having a great time at it. His wife Betty passed away some years ago > but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" > race that weekend. During the race as we continued to come thru the corner > either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad > Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun". Sandy > bit her lip and said nothing. After the race she got Charlie off to the > side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to > Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it. > > Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more > like an F1 car of the era. "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a > flywheel on it!" His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a > weight at least in two digits"...."It does! Eight point five" > > Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend > and thru the years. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean via Fot > Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM > To: "fot at autox.team.net" > Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio > > Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 > carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I Photo > Showing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates. > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 09:03:40 2019 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:03:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <646291786.5231.1569606039443@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so > I guess it's about time I get back to racing" He was interested in > finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see. > Irv Corey's car as I recall. Before he got there I mailed Irv a > bat-a-gator to put in the car. In the end he bought a different Brit car > but at least we got him back! > Yes, we did get him back. He drove up to see the car, and when I opened up the door to the garage, there were 3 - 8" long rubber alligators sitting on the bonnet, the truck lid, and the dashboard. He gave me a big smile and said something like "I see you've been talking to Mike Jackson". We had a nice visit, but as already mentioned, he ended up with another car. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 09:16:32 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 15:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> Bruce... All these names sure bring back memories. Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and would...talk your arm off.? Later on he started British Frame and Engine, a mail order source of TRIUMPH competition parts.? Another, lesser known, fact about Ken, was his love of MAGIC.? I believe there is some sort of MAGIC HALL of FAME in his home town, and Ken was a frequent visitor, and loved to show it off to visitors. ? Sadly, both he and his wife had serious health problems at the end, impacting dealing with British Frame and Engine. Ken was a Piece of Work.? I miss him. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Stutzman via Fot To: Vince G Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; fubog1 Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 7:45 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR Since we are telling Charlie Kates stories:Bill Fornwalt and I were racing a TR4 in SVRA events in the mid 80s.Charlie and his friend Bill Clark approached me at the 1986 VTR national.Charlie wanted to go racing and did so with much enthusiasm.He became Ken Gillanders' eastern test bed.Any new hot racing part that Ken got Charlie got it first.If it was going to fail or cause damage to the car Ken made sure the driver (Charlie) was thousands of miles away and could only reach him by phone and not by the neck.Bruce On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:16 PM Vince G via Fot wrote: Great hearing the stories from fellow FOT?s. ? Priceless ? ?Thanks for sharing... Vince On Sep 27, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Mike Jackson via Fot wrote: Yea, not a dream.? Back in the day when SVRA had a spring race down here in South Florida and Charlie had a relative that lives near by to visit.Not only was he actually hanging upside down, in a FULL Batman costume but he had his little portable potty stationed back there with a rubber alligator placed as if it were about to be flushed down AND a boom box playing "See You Later Alligator" by Bill Haley and the Cometshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1UQ47rWKU Oh yea, Charlie's business is as a caterer/chef so he had purchased some 'gator chunks locally and fried them up to hand out to those passing by.That evening a friend found a certificate for labeling a bat roost which we filled out and stuck to the side of his trailer. And then he retired from racing and wasnt heard from for several years until after his wife passed away.? Out of the blue he calls me years later and says "Well, my wife is dead so I guess it's about time I get back to racing"? He was interested? in finding another TR4 and I located one in the Midwest to send him to see.? Irv Corey's car as I recall.? Before he got there I mailed Irv a bat-a-gator to put in the car.? In the end he bought a different Brit car but at least we got him back!?? And, the bat-a-gators are another chapter that involved an argument about whether his Bat or my Gator was male vs female.? But seriously, think about it, have you ever seen a gator that looked female?? Me neither and I've seen a bundle of 'em down here.? Including the one that used to live in my pond, we named him Burt, after BS Levy. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 10:30 AM To: grandwazoo at earthlink.net Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I remember a dream I had of him in a batman suit, hanging from the roof inside of his racecar trailer, down @ PBIR...Strange dream.Glen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson To: fubog1 Sent: Fri, Sep 27, 2019 10:25 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I just love that picture! I'd have liked to tell either the Batman story? from PBIR or the Bat-a-Gator one from Rd Atl or the "Circle of Truth" from PBIR but they all take much too much explanation. -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Sep 27, 2019 7:41 AM To: billdentin at aol.com, grandwazoo at earthlink.net, tr3a58dean at gmail.com,fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 at att.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I have one of Charlies (cardboard) bats right here in my office!And then there's this photo if it goes through the innernets...Glen -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dentinger via Fot To: grandwazoo ; tr3a58dean ; fot Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 The infamous BAT vs GATOR race. ? I was there.? I seen it. ? They waved, when they went by. Bill Dentinger. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jackson via Fot To: Dean ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: charlie106 Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2019 11:35 am Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 Charlies old TR4 is now owned and extremely well driven by Mark Wheatley.? It is a joy to see it every time its at the track with us. I dont want to bore everyone with a hundred stories of that '92 weekend.? But, here's my favorite..Charlie and I remain great friends even tho he races some Jap thingy now.? We had been running literally door handle to door handle all weekend long and having a great time at it.? His wife Betty passed away some years ago but she and my wife Sandy were on the hillside at the keyhole for the "big" race that weekend.? During the race as we continued to come thru the corner either nose to tail or side by side Betty says to Sandy "I sure am glad Charlie doesnt take this too seriously and only does it for fun".? Sandy bit her lip and said nothing.? After the race she got Charlie off to the side and told him that he would "owe her forever" for not explaining to Betty just how seriously we did, in fact, take it.?? Ok, one more... in the paddock he blipped the throttle and it ran up more like an F1 car of the era.? "Charlie you POS, it's supposed to have a flywheel on it!"? His reply "It does".... "Well it's supposed to have a weight at least in two digits"...."It does!? Eight point five" Dear God, there are so many more Charlie Kates stories both that weekend and thru the years. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dean via Fot Sent: Sep 26, 2019 12:11 PM To: "fot at autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] 1992 Mid Ohio Don?t know if this will transfer, but this is from the race in 1992 carried in Vintage Motorsports Annual. I PhotoShowing Mike Jackson and Charlie Kates.?Sent from Mail for Windows 10? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutztr4 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Sep 30 14:12:52 2019 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:12:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> On 9/30/19 9:16 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 > against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a > Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? > If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, > CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off. I called him some years ago with what I thought was a simple yes or no question.? I believe that call lasted over 45 minutes. mjb. From rjl at gt-classics.com Mon Sep 30 14:20:07 2019 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (=?UTF-8?B?Ui4gSm9obiBMeWU=?=) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 16:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR In-Reply-To: <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> References: <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1040836995.1471966.1569856592827@mail.yahoo.com> <43cdec45-5d4c-3e86-745d-dc11a7e38e74@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1569874807.imu796nu0o40k8gc@webmail.lumos.net> There was one time when my wife was picking me up from work, and Ken called me right before she was supposed to pick me up. Anyway, as I recall, the conversation lasted over an hour, and she was furious.? And then, Ken called the house (back when we still had a land line), and she understood... John ? On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:12:52 -0600, Mark J Bradakis via Fot wrote: On 9/30/19 9:16 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot wrote: > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing his TR2 > against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? And it was a > Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic about TRIUMPH than Ken.? > If I remember correctly, he was a local politician (Orange County, > CA?), and like all politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off. I called him some years ago with what I thought was a simple yes or no question.? I believe that call lasted over 45 minutes. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com ? From tobeirne at skillpro.com.au Mon Sep 30 16:18:13 2019 From: tobeirne at skillpro.com.au (=?utf-8?B?VGVycnkgT+KAmUJlaXJuZQ==?=) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 22:18:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many thanks From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Terry; You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. see https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, Been there twice and would go again! Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. Hope you enjoy the trip! Phil Gott 114 TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. Terry O?Beirne Australia _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 30 17:02:05 2019 From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 23:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup In-Reply-To: References: <1131362441.838479.1569843951462@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1569468261.1091032.1569884525956@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! I am also looking forward to the trip next June. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: Many thanks ? From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup ? Terry; ? You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. ? While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. ? Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! ? Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. ? There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. ? If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. ? Hope you enjoy the trip! ? Phil Gott 114 TR4A ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. ? Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ? Terry O?Beirne Australia ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archivehttp://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 19:56:34 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 01:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR References: <2118731240.1806412.1569894994582.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2118731240.1806412.1569894994582@mail.yahoo.com> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, September 30, 2019,?TR3driver at ca.rr.com??wrote: Randall (et all)... Does anyone know what happened to Ken's TRIUMPH TR2 car?? It was very special. The way I understand it, he purchased it across the pond when he was stationed there in the service.? I think that is how he got connected with early TRIUMPH competition parts connections, like Daryll Uprichards (sp?) and Cox and Buckles.? It was a daily driver over there, and he shipped it home when he was discharged.? I don't remember it being a Long Door, but it was a low dash plate? number TR2, and he kept it in gorgeous condition.? It must have been tricked up some since TRIUMPH built it, because he drag raced it in 'handicapped drag races', and it was a champion.? It used to beat the early Corvettes.? It had four ten inch alfin aluminum brake drums, and these were by TRIUMPH (supposedly they only made fifty sets).? An Italian made 10" Alfin Drum was available "after market", and Old Blue has two of those in the rear. Can anyone remember Ken's close buddy (Art, I think...maybe not).? Super nice guy, but 180 degrees different than Ken.? Ken would talk a mile a minute, and his friend would just stand there and smile.? But they were great buddies. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Bill Dentinger' Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2019 10:33 am Subject: RE: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR I believe it was more local than Orange county; specifically Temple City CA where he and Helen lived.? I know he served multiple terms on the city council, and at least one or two as mayor. I miss him too.? As is so often the case, I wish I had spent more time listening to his stories. -- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild > -----Original Message----- > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Bill Dentinger via Fot > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:17 AM > To: stutztr4 at gmail.com; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net; fubog1 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Charlie Kates and his TR4 BAT vs GATOR > > Bruce... > > All these names sure bring back memories. > > Ken Gillanders was a Piece of Work (meant as a complimentary > description!)? Ken's original Claim to Fame was drag racing > his TR2 against Corvettes (handicapped) in the early 1950s.? > And it was a Champion too.? No one was more enthusiastic > about TRIUMPH than Ken.? If I remember correctly, he was a > local politician (Orange County, CA?), and like all > politicians, he was verbose (chatty).? He could and > would...talk your arm off.? Later on he started British Frame > and Engine, a mail order source of TRIUMPH competition parts. >? Another, lesser known, fact about Ken, was his love of > MAGIC.? I believe there is some sort of MAGIC HALL of FAME in > his home town, and Ken was a frequent visitor, and loved to > show it off to visitors.? > Sadly, both he and his wife had serious health problems at > the end, impacting dealing with British Frame and Engine. > > > Ken was a Piece of Work.? I miss him. > > Bill Dentinger > >? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still have not been to the rock and roll hall of fame. I agree that the Amish towns and countryside are worth a tour. Beautiful rolling hills and great curvy, scenic roads. Rent a sporty car and keep a close lookout for horse drawn buggies. There are many Amish communities between Mid-Ohio and the Akron, Canton, Ohio area. Cleveland has huge boating activity being right on the "North Coast" of the U.S. Put-in-Bay vintage races are held nearby too, but later in the season. People and race cars are ferried to an island where the races are held. Looking forward, Dave H. > On September 30, 2019 at 4:02 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: > > > Hi, > > I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. > > I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... > > There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! > > I am also looking forward to the trip next June. > > Regards, > Bob Lang > > On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: > > > > Many thanks > > > > From: vfracing at aol.com > Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 > To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup > > > > Terry; > > > > You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. > > > > While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. see https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. > > > > Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, Been there twice and would go again! > > > > Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. > > > > There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. > > > > If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. > > > > Hope you enjoy the trip! > > > > Phil Gott > > 114 TR4A > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot > To: fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm > Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup > > Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. > > > > Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. > > > > Terry O?Beirne > > Australia > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vfracing at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net mailto:fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billdentin at aol.com Mon Sep 30 21:19:58 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 03:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup References: <138485044.1845966.1569899998047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <138485044.1845966.1569899998047@mail.yahoo.com> Columbus is perhaps most famous for OHIO STATE (the Buckeyes). I remember one time speaking at OHIO STATE ( about Masonry). ?I went into the men's room to powder my nose, and I'll never forget the sign on the wall. ?It said, "PLEASE FLUSH TWICE! IT'S A LONG WAS TO MICHIGAN STATE." Now that's FUNNY! Bill Dentinger Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, September 30, 2019,?DAVE HOGYE via Fot??wrote: Good call, Bob. I grew up just east of Cleveland, but have been in California for over 30 years. ?Cleveland has a lot to offer, but Columbus is a nice city too and nearby Mid-Ohio. ?I still have not been to the rock and roll hall of fame. ?I agree that the Amish towns and countryside are worth a tour. ?Beautiful rolling hills and great curvy, scenic roads. ?Rent a sporty car and keep a close lookout for horse drawn buggies. ?There are many Amish communities between Mid-Ohio and the Akron, Canton, Ohio area. ?Cleveland has huge boating activity being right on the "North Coast" of the U.S. ?Put-in-Bay vintage races are held nearby too, but later in the season. ?People and race cars are ferried to an island where the races are held.? Looking forward, Dave H. On September 30, 2019 at 4:02 PM Robert Lang via Fot wrote: ? Hi, I would add that Ohio east of the Mid Ohio race course is quite fun for off the beaten track stuff like Amish farms and covered bridges and stuff like that. Ashtabula county has around 19 of them. It's quite fun finding them - you get to see some real countryside! For history buffs, there's also parts of the old canals that once connected the great lakes to the Ohio river. If you're into zoos, the Columbus Zoo is fairly impressive and there's also a park to the east of Columbus that is affiliated with the Columbus Zoo and it is called "The Wilds". The are is a reclaimed surface mine and a lot of roaming large animals. Worth the trip, if you like that sort of thing. There's also a US National Park up near Cleveland - Cuyahoga Valley National Park. A fun place to visit, there are some remnants of the previously mention canals in the park. I agree that Wright Patterson is a must see for aviation buffs... There's lots of kool stuff in the general area!! I am also looking forward to the trip next June. Regards,Bob Lang On Monday, September 30, 2019, 6:18:38 PM EDT, Terry O?Beirne via Fot wrote: Many thanks ? From: vfracing at aol.com Sent: 30 September 2019 21:46 To: Terry O?Beirne ; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup ? Terry; ? You might want to take a look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: 1100 Rock and Roll Blvd., Cleveland Ohio 44114. ? While in Cleveland, see if you can catch the once a month tour of NASA's Glenn Research Center. Advanced planning is needed. ?see?https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/events/tours.html. ??The NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio designs and develops innovative technology to advance NASA?s missions in aeronautics and space exploration. ? Your choice of the Dayton Air Force Museum is too notch, ?Been there twice and would go again! ? Mid Ohio is about 4 hours drive from Detroit. ?If you are "up" for a further ride, the Henry Ford museum is a great place for a mechanically-oriented person. Lots of America history and lifestyle info there as well. ?While there also consider the Motown museum if the music rocks you. ? There are several other museums in Detroit worth seeing while you are there. ?Detroit Institute of Art and also the Detroit Historical Museum. ? If you know someone at GM, their Historical collection is worth seeing. ?Alas the Chrysler museum is closed. ? Hope you enjoy the trip! ? Phil Gott 114 TR4A ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Terry O?Beirne via Fot To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:12 pm Subject: [Fot] tourist stuff around mid-ohio kastner cup Folks, wife cindy and myself are planning to come over from Australia for the 2020 Kastner Cup. At this early stage, we will be driving? down from Niagra Falls to mid-ohio area. We will possibly go the ?long way? via Watkins Glenn just for a look. We might have a day or so either side of the racing weekend to look around. The Dayton Airforce museum is already on the list. ? Can anyone really familiar with this region offer any comments on ?must see? places. ? 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URL: From billdentin at aol.com Sun Sep 29 10:55:35 2019 From: billdentin at aol.com (Bill Dentinger) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 16:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio In-Reply-To: <008301d5757c$0a56c1b0$1f044510$@rr.com> References: <00a801d574ab$7da32090$78e961b0$@rr.com> <40AC6BA6AA45459596414FF9D4088691@VlackTK121647> <008301d5757c$0a56c1b0$1f044510$@rr.com> Message-ID: <524820509.1046236.1569776135636@mail.yahoo.com> Dim flashlight?? Did it flicker?? Probably LUCAS. And they call them Torches. Bill Dentinger -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing via Fot To: 'Jerry Van Vlack' ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 9:16 am Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio #yiv1773909071 #yiv1773909071 -- _filtered #yiv1773909071 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv1773909071 #yiv1773909071 p.yiv1773909071MsoNormal, #yiv1773909071 li.yiv1773909071MsoNormal, #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;} #yiv1773909071 a:link, #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1773909071 a:visited, #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1773909071 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;} #yiv1773909071 p.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate, #yiv1773909071 li.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate, #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071BalloonTextChar {} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071EmailStyle19 {color:windowtext;} #yiv1773909071 span.yiv1773909071EmailStyle21 {color:#1F497D;} #yiv1773909071 .yiv1773909071MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv1773909071 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv1773909071 div.yiv1773909071WordSection1 {} #yiv1773909071 Truth be told most of the artistic imagery was performed by my wife Cheryl and Sue Kahler(Spitfire Susie) while I only added the stripe and x?d out eyes. We were laughing so hard while we did it that it was difficult to line everything up in the light of the dim flashlight we had. ?Russ MooreSpitfire #49 ?From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:10 PM To: Jerry Van Vlack; Spitfire Racing; 'Mike Jackson'; 'fubog1'; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio ?I also recall hearing Mike?s laughter when he saw the skunk the next morning, he really enjoyed the joke.?From: Jerry Van Vlack via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 6:15 PMTo: Spitfire Racing ; 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio?That was actually 2002 I believe, one year before the start of the Kastner Cup. ?From: Spitfire Racing via Fot Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 4:46 PMTo: 'Mike Jackson' ; 'fubog1' ; 'Jeff Snook' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] 1992 at Mid Ohio?Conversations of that event are not complete without mention of the fragrant calamity that had all the corner workers in hysterics!?No telling what skullduggery good friends commit under the cover of darkness.?I leave Mike to tell the tale??????????????russ??? | Image-34 | _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billdentin at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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