[Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in

Bob Kramer rkramer56 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 10 07:42:48 MDT 2018 

Len Renkenberger wrote an article a long time ago for the 6-Pack newsletter
showing how to do this without the factory tools, using polished bar stock
to set up to measure pinion depth. I've used his techniques for years with
great success.

Bob Kramer

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:06 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Barry, when you are measuring TR pinion depth, where are you measuring
> from and to?  The TR3 manual only has the dimension from the front face of
> the pinion to the center of the ring gear which would be impossible to
> measure directly with the pinion gear installed.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 5:28 PM barry rosenberg <britcars at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>> There is a factory set of tools that one uses to measure pinion depth
>> before taking a diff apart. Then you set the new pinion at the same depth
>> plus or minus the number on the gear.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *To:* Greg Blake <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
>> *Cc:* Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 9, 2018 5:12 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
>>
>> The "92" is the "matched set" number and should correspond with the set
>> number on the ring gear.  The other number is the difference in pinion
>> shimming from the "normal".    Haha, what is normal?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:33 AM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ok guys and gals.
>>
>> Here is a pic of the new pinion head. What do I do with the number on the
>> pinion head?
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a 4.88 ring and pinion in a box. My Triumph club is running the
>> VTR National near Austin next year and I've been volunteered to head up the
>> autocross. I think I'll build a diff with it and put it in the Beandito,
>> and sell tickets!
>>
>> Bob Kramer
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:37 AM, barry rosenberg via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't this the new set of gears? If so, they were new old stock from
>> England. They once belonged to Jim Ealy, who owned a black, 1966 TR4A race
>> car. I bought his junk yard to get his race car and the gears were new in
>> the box. I knew him since 1973 and he had the gears then. I had them until
>> recently. I would not think that back then there were cheap reproduction
>> gears available. He had 4:11, the 4:55 and 4:88 (great fun but useless).
>> The 4:11 went in the car when I sold it, the 4:88 were put in a locked diff
>> and played with on the street; the 4:55 sat on a shelf for all those years.
>> If the diff still had fluid in it, then it has to be improper set up,
>> unfortunately.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *To:* Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *Cc:* fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 6:14 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
>>
>> Thanks guys for all the feedback.
>>
>> So far I have only put the car in the air and pulled the cover. There is
>> ample evidence of excessive heat so something went wrong with my setup.
>>
>> I might get the chance to pull it all out of the car and take some
>> measurements on Sunday. Once I do, I’ll share my original setup notes and
>> what I measure upon disassembly.
>>
>> On a related note. I ordered a new gear set from Rimmer on Monday and it
>> arrived in Austin today, standard shipping. Amazing. Way faster than some
>> of our domestic suppliers.
>>
>> This new gear set was supplied by Bastuck. Hopefully lasts a little
>> longer.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the pinion was way to deep.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 6:38 AM, Bill via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I doubt if a break-in procedure could have prevented failure, but as
>> Marcel says, checking the temperature of the diff could have stopped the
>> damage. The likely culprits are incorrect engagement or bad parts, but
>> anything that heats the gears enough to cook the oil off the parts will
>> kill the gears. I had a close call with one of the gear sets I use.
>> Apparently I screwed up somewhere in checking fit—when I pulled the rear
>> end to assess the problem there was no backlash. I have a huge finned
>> differential cover so checking temperature doesn’t help, but I could feel
>> the car slowing quickly between shifts. Fortunately I wasn’t doing my usual
>> clutchless shifts and noticed the sudden deceleration every time I
>> disengaged the clutch. The gear teeth were slightly blued and the oil
>> smelled like a cesspool, but the gears were still usable once I did the
>> setup properly.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:48 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
>> fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Doorgestuurd bericht -----
>> > Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
>> > Aan: "Greg Blake" <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
>> > Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 10:47:59
>> > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
>> >
>> > I think it is good measure to check the heat of the differential casing
>> after a few laps when the pinion and crownwheel are freshly mounted : when
>> the casing gets very hot, something is wrong : or the parts are bad or they
>> are mounted not correctly
>> > There are at least 2 manufactures of the TR parts, I forgot about the
>> names. As far as I know, used original parts are running cooler than some
>> of the aftermarked parts. How was the noise of the diff? Did you notice the
>> smell during the first laps?
>> > Marcel
>> >
>> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>> > Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> > Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>> > Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 03:25:39
>> > Onderwerp: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
>> >
>> > I would love to here the FOT experience in breaking in new differential
>> gears. What has worked well for you in the past?
>> >
>> > Last weekend, I was running the TR3 at Hallett with a brand new 4.55
>> gear set and it failed. I probably got 30 laps total in 4 sessions on
>> track. I did not think to follow any set break in procedure with the gears
>> and I am wondering if that is why they failed.
>> >
>> > I am interested in the lists experience with brand new or new old stock
>> ring and pinion break in.
>> >
>> > Here is a pic of the failed set.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [image/jpeg:image1.jpeg]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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