[Fot] Group 44 car found

Fri May 25 14:20:47 MDT 2018

The axe: No, nothing remains.

BUT, presuming the head is a sturdy piece of steel that lasts forever (with occasional sharpening) while the handle is an item expected to deteriorate over time and be replaced,  as long as you have the head it’s Washington’s axe. The head is what made it an axe, the handle is just a stick. (But the replacement handle also has to be a stick, not some modern carbon fiber piece).

Or (upon reading that link) what if G.Washington himself replaced that handle, then continued to use the axe. And later broke the head and attached a new one. And continued to use it. Yep, still Washington’s axe. Maybe not the one he chopped the cherry tree down with, but still his. Even if he replaced only one part of it, still his. 

Ditto the TR3 – as long as you have the commission plate and the frame to which it was attached, anything else that was a replaceable item when Gp. 44 (or Mims) had it can be replaced. Fenders get crunched, replace it. Motors blow, replace it. Axles break, replace it. Tullius would have, Mims would have. What is not replaced in all that is the setup. If the suspension setup is what Tullius et al did originally, then that’s just repairs/restoration. If you just slap a stock suspension back on it, it’s no longer what Gp. 44 built. If it was a stock TR3 (or even someone else’s TR3 racer) that you set up identical to the Gp. 44 specs, that’s a replica. 

If I attach a piece that came from Gp. 44 on my car that doesn’t make mine a Gp. 44 car. But if I get what was once a Gp. 44 car and fix what needs fixing, still a Gp. 44 car (as long as I don’t change it away from what was originally the Gp. 44 car ... as long as I don’t attach that carbon fiber handle to GW’s original axe). 

When my Spitfire was turned into a race car I painted it in a couple of Ford colors I liked, but under the hood I kept a small strip of the original Wedgewood Blue to show what it was originally. If I had the Mims car and found a piece of the original pink, I think I’d preserve that under some clearcoat to illustrate what it was originally.

--Rocky Entriken
From: Charly Mitchel via Fot 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 9:52 AM
To: fubog1 ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found

So if you have George Washington's axe and the head falls of and breaks and you replace it and a few years later the handle is rotten and it breaks and you replace it, is it still Washington's axe? 
http://thomas-galvin.com/blog/george-washingtons-axe/
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

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  From: fubog1 via Fot 
  To: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net 
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 5:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found

  "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it?" 

  Answers-
  1- Anything can be saved
  2- YES!
  3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would pretty much be a "recreation".

  Glen

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  From: Tim Suddard via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
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  Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am
  Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found

  And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery has passed his late father’s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good caretaker for them. 

  After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad’s correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car.

  So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations… (also lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. 

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