[Fot] Mid Ohio

Tue May 15 08:00:40 MDT 2018

Rick,

Glad you chimed in, and you are right things can and do change and opinions are just that. But that is what these sort of forums are for too…right?

Yes my experience is old, but it seems to have come around again in this new grouping of the classification for the race in question.  Right, wrong, perceived or real it always seems the small bore classes get the bottom rung on the ladder. Hey you should have taken the reason they chunked us in with Lotus’s, 911’s, 240Z’s and such as a compliment to your ability to make that dang Spit run so fast LOL!!!!

I would also refute your comment of how I called SVRA a bad organization, please reread what I wrote as I took quite a bit of time to make sure it was about the incident and NOT the organization. SVRA is a well-run operation, and they are nice people, the functions come off pretty darn well.  I never “bashed” SRVA as you say, it was all about the various incidents that happened to me in first person experience. There was no exaggeration at all, I was there. I am not sure but I don’t even think you were at that race but I can’t remember. I am guessing any data you would have gotten would have been from people at SVRA, maybe that would also be skewed to the SVRA side of the table possibly??? Who knows.

The bottom line is I spent a lot of money to play, got put in a class where there was no one to play with, complained and got an un sensible answer. Seems the same thing is happening again at the race in question?? I took the time to send e mails (more than once) finally got a response that I would be hearing from specific individuals that never called. I own my own business and know how damaging it can be if you don’t follow up on complaints and make sure they are handled as best as they can be. If mine had been given any consideration  maybe we wouldn’t be talking right now. I also understand mine wasn’t the only complaint on the same event and same issues. I won’t name names but they got the same results I did.

I do really appreciate the apology, that was not necessary but tells of your sincerity. Like I said I will run with SVRA but it sure is difficult to do it a lot of times with the run groups being so short and with so many different classes in said group that don’t “match”.  Hey maybe this is a wake up to all vintage organizations that less groups of “stuff” and more track time is the key vs celebrity races and two wheel races and a lot of the other stuff that gets in the way of the reason we all do this…track time.

Maybe you and I can change the vintage world ……..now that’s a scary thought!!!!

I am sure I will see you somewhere and I hope you’ll be glad to shake my hand.  I know I will be more than happy to shake yours.

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From: Rick Parent [mailto:rick.parent at att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:56 AM
To: John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com>; DPPI - Mark Craig <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio

Just thought I would weigh in here, fist of all let me say I am all about free speech and voting with your checkbook and would not have it any other way but when one side goes on and on about how bad an organization is without rebuttal it gets a little old plus as major contributors to this forum one would assume these individuals would are experts on this subject when the realty is its just another guy with an opinion, kind of like watching the news ;-). You can bash SVRA  all you want but for those of you who have not raced with SVRA don't believe everything you read and, I am not saying the previous opinions are not valid because they came from individual experience however keep in mind there are 2 sides to every story, also the points made are greatly exaggerated, to make a point I suppose. I will not address the comments and turn this into a pissing contest but I would like to suggest that those of you who have never raced with SVRA take the previous comments with a grain of salt and do you own research about SVRA.

Mark Craig, I am truly sorry you had such a horrible experience in the past but the Spitfire thing happened 4 years ago before I started working for SVRA. I am always available for discussion at rick at svra.com<mailto:rick at svra.com> for you or anyone else who has questions or comments.

All the best!

On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:55 AM, John Hasty via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:

Gee Mark, tell us how you really feel.  But I agree that VDCA, VRG, VSCDA etc is where our cars are accepted with appropriate track time.
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On May 14, 2018, at 5:22 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig <info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:info at dieselperformanceparts.com>> wrote:
I got hung up in this same mess at Mid Ohio a few years ago. Tony did finally answer my e mails but the SVRA people he asked to call me and discuss about it never called. The BS reason at that time was that Rick Parents Spitfire was so fast that they got complaints on him and moved all Spits to the class that matched his lap times????????????????????????

So if Mario Andretti comes to the races in a Spec Sprite does that mean all Spec Sprites move to the GTP class???? This was also the weekend that tech said my car wouldn’t be allowed back unless I changed the windscreen as it was a dark tint and they couldn’t see their hand thru the tint???  Go figure.

It’s really tough to support an organization like this that was started and grown on the backs of small bore cares. But now the small bore cars are consistently huddled to the worst start times, run in multiple class groups and is basically being snobbed off by the big money owners and cars. I mean really an entry dollar is an entry dollar, the price is the same either way. The small bore tears up less stuff on track, causes fewer delays and typically represent themselves quite a bit better than the money runners too.  I’ll probably run with them some but it sure does hurt to pay 700.00, with no enduro included, and get 2 sessions a day for three days. Do the math120.00 per 20 minutes is pretty pricey to me. And that’s in no one goofs the session before or during your session.

Another thing what is the point to have the celeb’s show up and race, do we really care??? I mean does it promote more entries, I can’t imagine why. I don’t want to race Mairo, he’s gonna kick my ass in lesser equipment any day…what fun it that. Plus that’s one more session that is wedged into the days already too short on track per group schedule.

Are we racing the cars for what they are/were because we enjoy it or are we putting on a show for the celebs and spectators for the benefit of the organizer??  Dang if I want to drive 8 hours one way, get less than 2 “hot” hours on the track, drop 1750.00-2200.00 on a race weekend and not be so damn worn out that I want to skip the last session because I have had “enough”!!

Thereby my love for VDCA, if your half fast you always got someone to run with, the groups are consistent and pretty darn safe too. They are there to have FUN. If you don’t get enough track time then you got a mental issue and the price is really fair too. Granted due to having fun and the fair price we don’t go to Sonoma or Road America, but we sure wear it out where we do go I can tell you that much. I remember the early days at HSR and it’s sort of like that. Everybody there is there to beat your butt if they can, but if you need their spare distributor so they can try to beat you they will gladly let you have it. No beating and banging and cold ones after the fact.

Ok I’m done, sorry if I went off on it. Just bugs the crap out of me that the groups that made vintage racing into vintage racing are now the goat in most organizations eyes.

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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Ricco via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 10:17 AM
To: John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com<mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com>>
Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>; Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org<mailto:jsnook at wcnet.org>>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mid Ohio

SVRA has merged group 3 with group 8 and 5A. We will be out with 911’s that make over 2 times as much power. Additionally, we paid for the test and tune day to shake the car out from winter hibernation. They have us going out a 8 after a 7:15 drivers meeting. Not much time, but someone has to go first. What really sucks, is that we have 2 orientation groups out with us on every other test session. So if we miss the 8 AM, we are out with the orientation groups every other time we are on the track. You would think that they could have at least spread the orientation groups out over all the sessions. That would have allowed all to share in that fun.

We want to go have a good time and I am going with a good attitude.   However we paid $700 in entry fees and I feel like the true vintage Sportscars are being treated like the outcasts at the event.  I started running events at RA over 30 years ago and it may be the last time we do the Spring event at RA. I hope to report good news at the end of the event, but I am skeptical.

We will have fun with some of our good friends that meeting us at the event, one way or another. Just wish the track time was not so jacked-up.

Paul

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On May 14, 2018, at 9:59 AM, John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com<mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com>> wrote:
Which run groups did they change?
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On May 13, 2018, at 11:42 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Jeff,

We have been thinking about it.  We really like SVRA, but we are really unhappy with some thinks going on at Road America next week. We are going to see what happens while we are there before making any final call on mid-Ohio. SVRA changed the run groups two days ago. We have been registered and paid since last winter. Now I feel stuffed into a mess based on the changes at the last minute. It is too bad, because we like SVRA.

Paul Ricco
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On May 13, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Snook via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Anyone attending SVRA Mid Ohio next month?

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