[Fot] Tires

Fri May 27 07:39:15 MDT 2016

It is my opinion that SVRA is also trying to feed the vendors that they are bringing to the track.  The Road America event was very poorly attended.  They had 2 tire companies present; Bob Woodman and Sasco.   Additionally, they had Simpson there.   Over the years we have run many events, with much higher attendance.  There would be one tire company present, if that.  Woodman and Sasco work together and will mount each others tires, so that the do not both have to be in the same place.  If SVRA wants those companies at the events, they need to feed them business or they will stop going.  It is pretty convenient to make entrants change things at the track, because the only choice will be their vendors if you want to race that weekend.

In speaking with SVRA for a long time at a couple of events, it has become apparent that they are very focused on how things look that spectators can see. Tires are very visible.  My guess is that the tire issue is being driven by the fact that they do not look like “old tires”, as much as it is being driven by the traction ratings.  The ratings are a convenient way to eliminate a certain group of tires. 

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> On May 27, 2016, at 1:19 AM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
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> I just ran with SVRA and while they didn't say anything about the Yoko's, they were very picky about things that were non-issues in the past.  Like me 2.5 year old SFI rated seatbelts that they only allow to run for 2 years.  Everyone else allows 5+ years.  I've got some new FIA belts (they allow 5 years for those) for an extra couple of bills waiting to be installed now.  Also spent $140 getting my Hans re-certified, no one else has ever even looked at that.  There were some other nit-picky things that just irritated me to no end.  I don't do this to get hassled, I do this to have fun.  The guy I was paddocked with has a very period correct car and they stuff they wanted him to do to get their "era correct" designation was just ridiculous.  Gauges looked "too modern", needed to be replaced.  Unbelievable.  If they want me to run with them they'll let me run Yoko's, but I'm not nearly as inclined to go to their events now.
> 
> What we really need is the ability to go plus 1 or plus 2 and run some 50 series tires since the selection for 15" is so dismal.
> 
> Yoko may make the choice for us, others have reported that they are phasing out the A048 and the replacement tire isn't coming in 15" / 60 series.
> 
> On the other hand if everyone has to run speedsters I won't get my ass handed to me by guys running better radials when my Speedsters go off halfway though the race.
> 
> I've been fighting the tire battle for almost 10 years at this point, it's not getting better.
> 
> Tony Drews
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> At 08:52 PM 5/26/2016, John Hasty wrote:
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>> I just found out that SVRA no longer approves Yokahama A048 tires.   Seems they have adopted a rule that any tire with a UTQG rating of over 100 is not acceptable regardless of size or group classification.  Since most all of the other sanction clubs use the SVRA tire rules it is important to us all.  That leaves  those of us with 15” rims and a  60 profile requirement with only one tire that is legal, Hoosier Speedsters.    This is something we should try and get them to change.  UTQG ratings brought about by Gov. DOT regs is not a equal comparison of the “stickiness” of tires between manufacturers, it only relates to the comparison of compounds within any given tire manufacturer and is not an equal comparison between different manufactures.  For example a Toyo 888 with a UTQG rating of 100 is not comparable to a Yokahama A048 with a UTQG of 60 just because of the rating..  One cannot say that the Yokahama is more “sticky” than the Toyo just because of the UTQG ratings.  The UTQG ratings of Yokahama tires only compares the “stickiness” between the A048 and other Yokahama tires.  The process involves a manufacturer running a few thousand miles on a test track in Texas with what ever tire they choose as their base model, measuring the tread wear and then testing their other compounds in the same manner.  If the other compound tires equal the base test tire’s wear  they are rated UTQG 100, if the wear is more they are rated less than 100 or less more than 100.  So if a manufacturer chooses a softer compound as their base tire their performance tires end up with a higher  UTQG rating.  Who knows if Yokahama and TOYO used base tires with the same compound.  Based on the performance of the Toyo tires I would say they are more or less equal to the Yokahamas regardless of their UTQG ratings. [{Toyo does not offer a 205 60 15]Of course, every where else  in the world 50 profile tires are allowed which would give use a better selection, Toyo for instance and I understand that Avon may also have a 205 50 15 tire.  I now relinquish the soap box to those of you that may want to comment
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