[Fot] Six cylinder cams

McKearn McKearn mckearn2 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 30 21:32:24 MDT 2015 

Hi All.
   Thanks to those who replied. Nice to know you all have an opinion.
   At this point I am in fact finding mode and trying to do some research
on what will work best for me.  My ultimate goal is to have a free revving,
good handling as light as possible GT6. Good looking is a bonus. I
understand that compression ratio will not be the only factor in
performance. I was simply trying to ascertain a consensus ( If that is
possible) of what other GT6 racers and thrashers feel is an adequate
compression to reach say---180+ HP. Yes I am aware that cam and headers and
carburation and timing and gearing matter. And 180 HP is not a real number
and always questionable until actually measured on a dyno. So, what I am
trying to get across is  that I want an engine that has some power. Pump
gas is also a plus but I will do what I have to do..
 Thanks.   P.J.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:14 PM, John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:

> Ah !  Come on Joe,  as Scott pointed out I didn't even spell it correctly!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:11 PM, "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > How did Nietzsche enter into this?
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, IA 50648
> > The-vintage-racer.com
> > Gasketinnovations.com
> > Cell:  319.464.4711
> >
> >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 4:02 PM, John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes...Henry, to me a proper vintage race car should be both fast and
> well presented. Thus spake Thearthusta
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 1:09 PM, "Henry Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com
> <mailto:dos_gusanos at msn.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Boy it is getting deep now!     Your car should look good and perform
> good.  If all it does is run good, my circle refers to this type of vehicle
> as a "Roach"  lots of stickers over blems.  Most of the really fast stuff,
> looks good and runs good.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Henry Morrison
> >>
> >>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:27:52 +0000
> >>> From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com<mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> >>> To: william.tobin31 at verizon.net<mailto:william.tobin31 at verizon.net>;
> mckearn2 at gmail.com<mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com>
> >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
> >>>
> >>> I've been to a lot of car show, Cars and Coffee and of course
> autocross and racing events. I've seen a lot of different types of car guys
> like to think of cars guys like types of birds. If you place appearance
> above performance you are a peacock. You strut around and eventually stop
> to show off your plumage, and where you park at a car show is of high
> importance to you. Heck, if you can't find a good spot, where people can
> admire your work you might just blow off the show. Sure you know how to
> primer, paint, wax and polish to a glass like finish, but you are all for
> show. I like pretty things, I do, so you have my admiration. Some car guys
> like to do road trips with other cars guys. They pick a leader and follow
> him. These are geese. Racers on the other hand are more functional, more
> stealthy. Appearance matters because it is a functional part of building a
> better beast, not the point of the exercise. We don't fly in formation, we
> strike out and swoop, like a hawk. We need
> >> the perf
> >> o
> >>> rmance to do what we do. If it doesn't look just right we put a decal
> over it to cover up the blemish.
> >>>
> >>> If you enjoy building engines and trannies and have a need to know how
> it works and to be assured that it was built properly, and don't know why
> those funny reciprocating buffers try to whip themselves out of your
> control you are some other type of bird. Maybe a hawk, maybe a hummingbird,
> but from your self description you aren't a peacock. May I suggest vintage
> racing.................
> >>>
> >>> Bob Kramer
> >>> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com<mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> >>>
> >>> ---- McKearn McKearn <mckearn2 at gmail.com<mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >>>> Hi.
> >>>> I love to build cars and I enjoy building engines and transmissions as
> >>>> well as all the other stuff that goes in. Body work???? now that's
> another
> >>>> story. I know I'll spend way more money in the long run if I build my
> own
> >>>> car but then again it will be my car...wait...am I trying to talk
> myself
> >>>> into building a race car?????
> >>>> I already have a lot of what I need to get started so I guess I'm just
> >>>> going to go for it. So what if it takes me a few years. My last GT6
> build
> >>>> took about ten and then I was really never done tweaking.
> >>>> Quick before I really get going on this someone stop me........
> >>>> P.J.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Bill Tobin <
> william.tobin31 at verizon.net<mailto:william.tobin31 at verizon.net>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Race ready, yeah, heard that one before!
> >>>>> If you buy a used race car, take the purchase price and add that
> much more
> >>>>> to it and you may be ready for the track!
> >>>>> The good news is that it will be set up to your liking. And your
> specs.
> >>>>> No regrets on my part; the Redhead is still fun to drive and I'm
> having a
> >>>>> blast. May not be first but it was built to last.
> >>>>> Cheers, Bill
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> *From:* Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com<mailto:sjanzen at me.com>>
> >>>>> *To:* McKearn McKearn <mckearn2 at gmail.com<mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com
> >>
> >>>>> *Cc:* FOT list <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 8:32 AM
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Race cars, especially GT6s, aren't built /set up to be competitive
> in one
> >>>>> shot, unless you are Chuck Gee. No rush. That said, as much fun as
> it may
> >>>>> be to build one, spending a little more up front to buy one that has
> been
> >>>>> raced will probably save money in the long run. All that hardware -
> dual
> >>>>> braking system, competition shocks, fire system, roll cage, braided
> lines,
> >>>>> heavy duty stub axles, spare wheels, fuel cell, etc, etc, etc is
> often
> >>>>> heavily discounted in the price of a used race car.
> >>>>> You'll still need to build a good engine and do countless other
> things
> >>>>> (race ready, ha!) but you can probably save money over the long haul.
> >>>>> Who out there has a car for P.J.?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my mobile device
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:44 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2 at gmail.com
> <mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> O.K. I get it. Race car or street car. One or the other. I guess I'll
> >>>>> have to build a race car and use it for track days. I just can't
> make the
> >>>>> commitment to the time and money required for racing at this time.
> >>>>> With that in mind, I would appreciate some help. Could I get a really
> >>>>> low interest 30 year loan for about 50 Gs or so? Or just some honest
> >>>>> opinions from time to time is good too.
> >>>>> P.J.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jason Ostrowski <
> jason at multivintage.com<mailto:jason at multivintage.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Better yet, take it the full step beyond... and forget about track
> days
> >>>>>> and street GT6's all together.
> >>>>>> It's way more useful as a racer.
> >>>>>> The real thrill of the Triumph world is Race cars.
> >>>>>> All that Track day talk is building a car for 1/2 its duty both
> ways.
> >>>>>> Spend all that time and money, drive on the street and have some
> big SUV
> >>>>>> destroy it at a stop light.
> >>>>>> When it come to GT6's, there are race cars and there are street
> cars and
> >>>>>> never the two should be the same.
> >>>>>> Race.
> >>>>>> Full on Race.
> >>>>>> It will be the best and worst decision you will ever make all at
> the same
> >>>>>> time.
> >>>>>> The fun and friendship that you get from racing the car will
> outweigh any
> >>>>>> argument for the "track day concept".
> >>>>>> If you do either "properly" you will likely spend the same amount of
> >>>>>> money.
> >>>>>> But you will have way more fun racing.
> >>>>>> And you will be actually racing the thing.
> >>>>>> there is nothing better.
> >>>>>> We will give you all the help you need.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jason Ostrowski
> >>>>>> Friendly Ghost Racing
> >>>>>> 1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:05 PM, McKearn McKearn <
> mckearn2 at gmail.com<mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi All.
> >>>>>>> I'm starting on a new GT6 Motor and I have some questions. First
> are
> >>>>>>> GT6 and TR6 cams really interchangeable? Also what compression
> ratio do
> >>>>>>> you all feel is reasonable. This car will seldom if ever see the
> street
> >>>>>>> but will mostly be for track days? Thanks. P.J.
> >>>>>>>
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