[Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph

Fri Dec 11 18:06:04 MST 2015

Make it a double !!!

From: michael [mailto:mlcooknj at msn.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 5:38 PM
To: John Hasty; 'Gertjan van de Klashorst'; 'Bob Bownes -Seiri'; 'John
Styduhar'
Cc: 'J Roenigk'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph

Some day you folks will finally understand that the car engine came first!
The Massey-Ferguson tractor was a profit-making side issue for
Standard-Triumph. The tractor engine was adapted from the engine in the
Standard Vanguard. The Vanguard engine was also adapted for the Triumph 1800
and Renown and later for the TR. 

As for what's a Triumph? If the company built it and put a Triumph badge on
it it's a Triumph. Thus the Honda Ballade became the Acclaim.

If it has a Triumph chassis and drivetrain that was supplied by the company
to an authorized producer, it's a Triumph. Thus the Triumph Italia.

If it uses components supplied by Standard-Triumph like engine, suspension
bits, etc., but not chassis and body parts, it's not a Triumph. The Morgan,
Peerless, Doretti, etc., are very different cars and deserve their own
identity.

There! Got that off my chest! Time for a cocktail!

Mike Cook

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From: jhasty at mhc-law.com
To: klokhuis67 at t-online.de; bownes at seiri.com; johnstydo at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 16:38:24 +0000
CC: rroenigk at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph

Don't forget the Massey-Ferguson Tractor, the progenitor of all things
Triumph!

From: Gertjan van de Klashorst [mailto:klokhuis67 at t-online.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 11:24 AM
To: 'Bob Bownes -Seiri'; 'John Styduhar'
Cc: John Hasty; 'J Roenigk'; 'Triumph 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: What makes a Triumph a Triumph

Good question. Saab used engines produced by Triumph, Morgan used Triumph
engines as did some Peerless and Warwick and Doretti, also Italia. Now the
last four are seen at the TR International in Malvern and seen as Triumph
derivatives. I have never heard anybody calling Saab and Morgan Triumph
derivatives. 

There must be more that have used Triumph parts for their cars. Formula One
Lotus was using a Triumph suspension part, they called the triumph-link. A
South African single seater, called Protea,  is using Triumph engine and
gear box. The Devin could be equipped with TR engine, but with many others
as well.

So anybody can define where it starts and ends?

Gert

Van: Bob Bownes -Seiri [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] 
Verzonden: 09 December 2015 16:04
Aan: John Styduhar
CC: John Hasty; J Roenigk; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph; klokhuis67
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs

When it is a TVR? ;)

On Nov 30, 2015, at 13:44, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> wrote:

That's interesting information John. I wonder how many other TR-sourced cars
were built.  When is a Triumph a Triumph??

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com> wrote:

John...I may be wrong, but I think Triumph only sold mechanicals to Vignale
who built and sold the Italia..

From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pierce, Russell
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:22 PM
To: John Styduhar; klokhuis67; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph

Cc: J Roenigk
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs

He parker it next to my car at the car show during the K cup. Can't remember
his name but he is good friends with Ronnie Babbitt. I'm sure he told me he
actually has two and this was not the better one. 

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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Styduhar
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:12 AM
To: klokhuis67; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
Cc: J Roenigk
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs

I saw a beautiful red Italia at the Kastner Cup this year at Summit Point.
Can't remember who the owner was. I think it is the most beautiful car that
Triumph made. 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:56 AM, klokhuis67 <klokhuis67 at t-online.de> wrote:

Certainly interested in the info. From what I know is that the last 30 TRFs,
501-530 were used for Italia's.

I also have a link to the Italia Registrar of the UK TR Register.

Thanks

Best regards,

Gertjan van de Klashorst

Sent from my Samsung tablet

Rich Roenigk <rroenigk at aol.com> wrote:

Kurt..not aware that happened..let's see what Gert says.

Thx

Rich

From: Kurt Oblinger [mailto:koblinger at verizon.net] 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:51 PM
To: John Styduhar; gertjan van de klashorst; J Roenigk
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs

I have an Italia 2000 built on a TR3B (TSF) chassis. Would you like that
info?

Thanks,
Kurt O.

On 11/29/2015 5:37 PM, John Styduhar wrote:

Amici,

If any owner of a TR3B is interested in including their car in a register of
remaining TR3Bs and receive a numbered certificate of confirmation, please
forward the following information to Gert J. van de Klashorst, registrar:  

Titled Date- 

Commission Number-

Body Serial Number-

Engine Number-

Rear Axle Serial Number-

Gearbox Serial Number-

Current owner's name, address, and contact information-

Owned since date-

Car history if known-

Current photo-

Gert's email address is       klokhuis67 at t-online.de

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