[Fot] Seat belts

Mon Aug 17 10:29:33 MDT 2015

Wow, not much run off, how far over do those cliffs go!!

Thanks, Mike

62 TR4, Race car
63 TR4, Street car

Mike & Becky Moore
6050 Ruhl Road, Fairview, PA 16415

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To: Kas Kastner <kaskastner at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts

I did SCCA Time Trials in my C5 corvette for a few years. Since it's a coupe a roll bar wasn't required.
People racing coupes without a rollbar were discouraged from using shoulder harnesses because if the
car rolls and caves in the top your head then becomes the roll bar. They explain that with a 3 point belt the driver
could roll out of the shoulder belt to the inboard side. If fully restrained you have nowhere to go.
jim g

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Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 5:56:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts

It is unlikely that you will grab anything.  A driver I have found will fight it to the last instant hoping to save the crash, then it is TOO LATE. Ducking is better form.

Never be beaten by equipment.

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com<mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com>> wrote:

If you were Masten Gregory, you would just jump.

Joe Alexander
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> On Aug 15, 2015, at 8:00 PM, John Hasty <jhasty at mhc-law.com<mailto:jhasty at mhc-law.com>> wrote:
>
> With no roll bar you should consider the period technique... One lap belt for you and another on the passenger seat tightly drawn so when you flip you can lay down across the seats and grab the passenger lap belt and hold on!!!!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 15, 2015, at 5:35 PM, "McKearn McKearn" <mckearn2 at gmail.com<mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com><mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com<mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Thanks for the replies.  I'm thinking a four or five point restraint is what I want but getting the attachment points for the shoulder belts might be tough. I am considering welding in an attachment bracket between the rear fenderwells and keeping it hidden below what I would call the rear seat top or cubby hole top or whatever that area behind the seat is that currently is carpeted and hides all the junk I put behind the seat. I thought 1.5 or 2.0 inch steel tubing with .125 wall thickness would be more than plenty and then screwing 7/16 eye bolts to it through the carpet as attachment points. That way only the eye bolts and the belts will be visible from above. Any thoughts?
>                   P.J.
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net<mailto:alfetta95 at optonline.net><mailto:alfetta95 at optonline.net<mailto:alfetta95 at optonline.net>>> wrote:
> Install grade 5 eye hook bolts. Two for the lap belt and two behind the drivers seat maybe on the rear bulkhead for the shoulder belts. Location is important. Can't be too sharp an angle. I've done this in several street/track cars. They work great. The rear hooks on my cars were hidden under the rear seat.  Then buy yourself a new 4 pt harness with snap in attachments. U are good to go.  If u want to add the 5th hook for the anti submarine strap under ur seat, go ahead then get a 5 pt harness.
>
> Thanks
> Todd Redmond
>
>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 11:23 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2 at gmail.com<mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com><mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com<mailto:mckearn2 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All.
>>  I'm looking to upgrade my stock seat belts(68 GT6,  the tech inspector let it slide but told me for the next track day I need to improve) but with it being mostly a street car with no roll bar I'm limited. Any suggestions?
>>                         Thanks. P.J.
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