Indeed they are. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey<mailto:horizonracing at msn.com> To: Tony Drews<mailto:tony at tonydrews.com> Cc: fot<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 lifter source Greg Solow has the only lifter to use .